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Get It While It Lasts!! The WOLVERINE Comic-Con Trailer Footage Thingie Has Leaked Online!!

Oooh! by brock landers baby	Jul 28th, 2008 11:47:55 AM

It looks like.. by Aeghast	Jul 28th, 2008 11:48:19 AM
..fun! :D
Part 1 and Part 2 by MrJJonz	Jul 28th, 2008 11:49:25 AM
Or just part 1 repeated?
Part 2 is better... by RedHHades	Jul 28th, 2008 11:50:04 AM
Gambit! humm...
both links are the same by kellyman1970	Jul 28th, 2008 11:50:27 AM

This looks fucking awesome by kingben	Jul 28th, 2008 11:50:32 AM
I love the crowd reaction and everything. Should be an awesome movie. I hope its better than Last Stand though
Fan-dabby-dozy by darklightning	Jul 28th, 2008 11:52:18 AM
i likes it, i likes it
Part 1 = meh part 2 = wont load by ArcadianDS	Jul 28th, 2008 11:53:04 AM
looks interesting but the Wolverine backstory is very typical of the goofball 80s/90s of comic books. I hope they radically rewrite it to make some kind of human sense.
God Damnit!!! by GeekyAnimeNerd79Beyotch	Jul 28th, 2008 11:53:26 AM
Where is it? :(
Actually Now Looking Fwd to This by Mutley26	Jul 28th, 2008 11:53:41 AM
Can't say fairer than that.
Looks like fun! by Acappellaman	Jul 28th, 2008 11:53:55 AM
Sure hope they don't screw this one up. So far, it looks good!
Here's the Youtube version by terry1978	Jul 28th, 2008 11:54:18 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3W6 C984nSk0
If two doesn't load...... by Mutley26	Jul 28th, 2008 11:54:59 AM
Go to the main mirror, it's 1st up.
Looks good, but probably by RedHHades	Jul 28th, 2008 11:55:38 AM
ALL good actions scenes are already in these clips.
Looks great--crowd loved Gambit by Pongo	Jul 28th, 2008 11:55:51 AM
Can't wait for it.
so no red eyes on Gambit? by spidercoz	Jul 28th, 2008 11:55:54 AM
lame
I can see both by Aeghast	Jul 28th, 2008 11:56:07 AM
Silly you
So based on that by ArcadianDS	Jul 28th, 2008 11:56:24 AM
Can we assume that the next XMen Origins movie will be Gambit?
12th???? by screamster101	Jul 28th, 2008 11:57:04 AM
Looks pretty good.
Great by Autodidact	Jul 28th, 2008 12:01:53 PM
This looks pretty damn good. Jackman is fuckin pumped up! I didn't see Gambit on first viewing. Am I mistaken or did I see The Blob?
deadpool by chokinonrhodes	Jul 28th, 2008 12:06:15 PM
i understand they had to show that shot in order to let everyone know who is under the mask, but if you are going to show deadpool..show fuckin' deadpool.
why is Ryan Reynolds by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:06:18 PM
Looking like Ryan reynolds? Are they planning on doing a Two Face Dark Knight type of transformation for him? Damn his good looks.
I'm loving the look of this move by Neil_the_Sheep	Jul 28th, 2008 12:06:29 PM
I'm pretty indifferent to X-men anything in general...tho X2 was great movie, I can take it or leave it...but this movie looks way better than I thought it would look...maybe next summer will be as freaking awesome for superhero movies as this one was!!
If the don't have Deadpool as Deadpool by Grando	Jul 28th, 2008 12:08:55 PM
and just have Ryan Reynolds doing a Stallone Judge Dredd then I'm gonna start a fuckin fire in Fox HQ.
Looks... by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 28th, 2008 12:13:36 PM
Like they're tryin' pretty hard. I'm not sure how to feel about it; I'll probably go see it out of boredom, unless there are some movies that look good on the weeks it's running.
The Dark Knight ruined comic book movies for me by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:13:43 PM
Everything else now seems like half assed attempts for stringing together action pieces.
Any chance this "Origins" stuff will be a series? by Royston Lodge	Jul 28th, 2008 12:15:40 PM
Like, after Wolvie they do other characters' origin stories? More about Magneto during WWII would be neat stuff, with appearances by Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos, and/or the original Human Torch, and/or Namor (but not Captain America, cuz I'm convinced his uniform is impossible to do without looking silly.). How about a Damage Control movie AND/OR a series of Damage Control shorts that run on the big screen before OR after EVERY Marvel movie that comes out for the next few decades. It could be Marvel's way of apologizing whenever they make a bad comic book movie. Like, after every BAD movie, the next GOOD movie has a Damage Control short that makes fun of the preceding bad movie. I also think Fred Hembeck Destroys the Marvel Universe deserves big-screen treatment, with Ricky Gervais in the role of Fred Hembeck. (BTW: Liv Schreiber looks freakin' awesome in that trailer. I wasn't looking forward to this one until just now.)
ComicCon Crowds 'O Cheering by loserguy3000	Jul 28th, 2008 12:16:10 PM
Wow, its true that the ComicCon crowds will applaud ANYTHING, won't they? Doesn't matter if they won't support the film afterward, as long as they get to cheer and clap like crazy people to pretty much anything. Movie looks good, though, and should be better than X3.
Movie by santi01	Jul 28th, 2008 12:16:22 PM
looks like ass and not in a good puerto rican chick kind of way.
JUST CALL IT WHAT IT REALLY IS.... X-MEN 4.... by Err	Jul 28th, 2008 12:16:56 PM

suckit23 - Exactly! by eggart	Jul 28th, 2008 12:17:14 PM
I had the misfortune of seeing Hellboy 2 directly before The Dark Knight, and now I'm having trouble remembering what I liked about it. Too bad. Now try rewatching Spider-man 3! That's a trick.
loserguy3000 by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:18:04 PM
these are the same people who are going to go home and write about how much its going to suck.
X-Men = Wolverine. X-2 = Wolverine 2. X-3 = Wolverine 3. X-Men O by Err	Jul 28th, 2008 12:18:10 PM
X-Men = Wolverine. X-2 = Wolverine 2. X-3 = Wolverine 3. X-Men Origins = Wolverine 4
eggart by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:19:00 PM
I cant watch spider-man 3, it makes me cry like a 15 year old emo kid with constraining pants.
Liev Schrieber??? by picardsucks	Jul 28th, 2008 12:21:38 PM

suckit23 makes a point by Royston Lodge	Jul 28th, 2008 12:21:51 PM
Will every comic book movie be judged against the Dark Knight Standard from now on? Is that fair? After all, Marvel, DC, and others all take different approaches to comic books in the first place. We wouldn't want them all to use the same aesthetic and narrative sensibilities, would we? So why should we expect the same from comic book movies? I have nothing against pure-action-and-popcorn comic book movies, as long as they're done well. I'd be MORE afraid of directors TRYING TOO HARD to replicate the Dark Knight's aura. THOSE are the movies that will fall flat on their faces. Like, if Iron Man II tries to be a Marvel version of The Dark Knight, it'll suck - pure and simple. Heck, the first Hulk movie is already a perfect example of Dark-Knight-esque Marvel movie that doesn't quite work (I still enjoyed it, but I think I'm in the minority).
Gambit looks like by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 12:22:53 PM
a reject from Queen of the Damned...Gambit is not supposed to look like a girly man magician. C'mon!! Cant they get anything right!? And no red eyes....pfffff.
royston by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:23:49 PM
I guess what Im saying is that the Dark Knight was a movie and not just a sequence of events made to please fans. I dont want all comic book character inspired movies to be the same, hell look at Ghostworld. I just would like to see characters be more than one note interpretations.
Will Watchmen and The Spirit be judged against The Dark Knight's by Royston Lodge	Jul 28th, 2008 12:24:00 PM
I sure do hope not...
like seriously by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 12:25:16 PM
i was like why's everyone cheering about that gay looking magician...and who is it? Thought it was like someone from the Hellfire Club or something...but def not Gambit.
Watchmen SPOILER ALERT!!! by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:25:20 PM
I know what happens at the end!
THIS LOOKS HUGE... by ABking	Jul 28th, 2008 12:31:16 PM
Could be next summers biggest hit! Can't FUCKING wait...
like by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 12:32:03 PM
i'll try like to tone down on the likes....like but still...wtf...this story needs to be about Wolvie, Omega Red & Maverick....there's your story..right there...HOW HARD IS IT? who's with me?!
Suckit23 - I agree with you. by Royston Lodge	Jul 28th, 2008 12:33:03 PM
I wouldn't want all comic book movies to just be a bunch of action sequences strung together either. That would be my definition of a bad action movie. But I also hope that comic book movies that are made intentionally simply as "good" action movies can be allowed to be be judged on that basis, and not judged against Dark Knight every time.
DEADPOOL by MrPopular	Jul 28th, 2008 12:34:08 PM
Deadpool was a handsome guy, until he got the cancer. and it all fucked him up... my guess is Like the comics he joins weapon x cause he's a kick ass merc. His cancer will probabley get alot worse progressing during the movie.. they try to heal his cancer by giving him wolvie DNA bam.. Deadpool... Deadpool.. I cna't f'n wait
Royston by suckit23	Jul 28th, 2008 12:35:32 PM
I just saw the Dark Knight again in IMAX, Im still in awe, so thats probably why I cant stop comparing everything to it.
ryan reynolds by skiprat1	Jul 28th, 2008 12:36:13 PM
is he in this? i haven't kept up with this movie at all... does he appear in the trailer?
That was some GOOD SHIT by DKT	Jul 28th, 2008 12:38:13 PM
Can't. Wait.
I just came a little by Abominable Snowcone	Jul 28th, 2008 12:38:43 PM
"This is what we do," taken right outta Rambo, with the same sentiment. Kinda scary, the geek applause--and I'm a geek myself
Gambit was always gay-looking in the comics. by Uncle Stan	Jul 28th, 2008 12:42:45 PM

There's no question, it'll be a difficult shadow to get out from by Royston Lodge	Jul 28th, 2008 12:43:13 PM
The Dark Knight is absolutely the gold standard, and anybody who attempts to make a comic book movie will have to be prepared for criticism on that basis. But I wouldn't want directors to give up on making comic book movies just because they know they'll never be able to remake The Dark Knight. On the contrary, maybe The Dark Knight will make writers and directors and producers and (dare I dream?) studios to think a little more about the vision they want to put on the screen before releasing a pieces of shite willy-nilly.
skiprat1 by Underdogthe3rd	Jul 28th, 2008 12:47:01 PM
Yes, without mask and without scars.
Ehhh, not that interested by Mr Slippy Fist	Jul 28th, 2008 12:48:26 PM
Not a bad piece of footage. This still hasn't sparked my interest in the movie though. Also, having cameos of 20+ mutants isn’t going to do anything but piss off most fans due to those characters having no screen time or having a chance to develop.
Underdogthe3rd by skiprat1	Jul 28th, 2008 12:50:49 PM
I wonder if he'll also be aware he's a comic character...that was Deadpool, right? Or will he be missing that too. Maybe he'll get his scars and mask in this movie. How many characters are in this anyway?! Is it going to be 8 hours long, or Spider-Man 3?
I'm not sold. Too many mutants may turn it into a mess by SpencerTrilby	Jul 28th, 2008 12:53:16 PM
and even if I like Jackman, I don't think it's more than a cash-cow for his producing company, as well as for Fox. Leave the X-Men alone until Rothman is ran over by Shia, and once Fox is purged then we may have some ballsy X-flicks. That footage is neat, but it needs a ginormous misstep like The Spirit to fuck up a trailer anyways.
laughed my ass off by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 12:55:19 PM
This looks really dumb. Not really in a bad way, but this does not look the least bit intelligent. Ryan Reynolds is playing Ryan Reynolds with swords. Creed is actually shorter than Logan. Logan and the Blob have a boxing match where they girly-punch each other for five minutes. They try to show as many characters as they can in the movie, so the footage you see is actually everybody's screen time. the rest is spent with Wolverine walking with explosions behind him. The fact that everybody flipped their wig when gambit showed up is hilarious to me. That character is one of the dumbest, most ill-conceived characters I have ever seen in a comic book. It's like they just did a copy and paste of a few of the other characters and called him new and different. And nice suit there Purple Rain.
What about an Xavier origin story? by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 01:01:36 PM
Now that would be cool. Take inspiration from the X-Men Legacy arc, where Gambit actually doesn't bother me all that much. Plus it would probably have a lot less explosions or shitty wire stunts. Just imagine...tow hours with just Xavier and Magneto running around Europe, developing as characters and forming the morals they would later hold so high, without cramming in like 50 mutants for no apparent reason other than to get comic nerds excited for 2 seconds. The only time the mutant cameos worked for me was Colossus in the mansion in X2. That was just a perfect X moment for me.
that trailer looks good by CherryValance	Jul 28th, 2008 01:05:36 PM
but do we need it to say X-Men Origins? I think we know who Wolverine is.
Creed running on all fours by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 01:07:10 PM
cracks me up every time. The human body just doesn't work like that. Even if he's a mutant, even if it's a comic book movie, people running on all fours in movies will ALWAYS look pretty awkward and stupid.
This is what happens when you hire a talented filmmaker by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 28th, 2008 01:10:23 PM
like Gavin Hood instead of a member of The Hack Pack. Looks great, proper dramatic acting instead of people looking around blandly in front of green screens.
"X-Men Origins" by MattmanReturns	Jul 28th, 2008 01:10:52 PM
I hate that title. Just call it "Wolverine." Thank God they didn't call Dark Knight: "The Dark Knight: A Batman Story"
I'm exicted - & comment to Kungfuhustler by VAWitch	Jul 28th, 2008 01:12:29 PM
Looks promising. Other complaint I have is that Gambit is a good bit younger than any of the Wpn-X group... but if they do justice to his character otherwise, I can overlook that, just as I did in the first 2 XMen films. And I agree Kungfu - if they're gonna delve into Magneto's origins, then likewise, Xavier should be explored - since the two become linked not long past when Magneto starts down his self-chosen path.
by MikeTheSpike	Jul 28th, 2008 01:12:48 PM
Hey, why rag on the guy's camera work? I don't see you posting no leaked trailers featuring Deadpool (pretty though he may be).
No Singer....no Ratner....I'll be there by KongMonkey	Jul 28th, 2008 01:13:17 PM
No R-Rating.......nevermind.
Woverine: A Boy and His Claws by Mr Slippy Fist	Jul 28th, 2008 01:14:07 PM

Trik Ster: what the fuck is "Ho yay"? by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 01:18:56 PM
Just because it's a story about two men doesn't mean it has to be gay. I have no fucking clue how you came to that conclusion. Just look at Logan and Creed. They don't seem too intimate to me.
Gambit should of been introduced... by Redfive!	Jul 28th, 2008 01:20:05 PM
Either in one of the x-men films or hell even his own film with afew "not 5-10" other characters. Him in a Wolverine film is pointless.
Looks good by Geekhaterssuck	Jul 28th, 2008 01:20:57 PM
I just hope it is good. I'm not a huge X3 hater like some but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed in it. I have a sneaking suspicion thought you'll be able to wrap it up like this. Wolvie and Creed meet Stryker, Wolvie and creed work with random mutants, they have falling out. Wolvie escapes goes to Japan falls in love. Creed kills girl Wolvie goes beserk has big fight with random mutants from before then Creed. Boom pow Wolvie flies to Canada. The End.
Deadpool by SoWasRed2012	Jul 28th, 2008 01:22:51 PM
I'll be OK with Deadpool being all Ryan Reynolds pretty in this movie ONLY if they totally fuck his face up with the cancer at the end of it and then give him his own movie. He just makes me think of Hannibal King and Blade: Trinity from what we've seen here (granted, it was about two seconds...), and no-one wants anyone being reminded of that.
Richard Brooks by Geekhaterssuck	Jul 28th, 2008 01:26:16 PM
Yeah, that's my big fear as well, the only thing that I fear more is Rothman thinking a "Storm" movie with Halle Berry will be a good idea.
wow by Shakes	Jul 28th, 2008 01:29:46 PM
the clips weren't bad but that audience was screaming like a bunch of fucking cheerleaders.
Gavin Hood is an awesome director... by Rindain	Jul 28th, 2008 01:33:06 PM
Anyone who hasn't watched Tsotsi should check it out immediately. This guy could be the next Chris Nolan or Aronofsky.
Looked Real good! by THE KNIGHT	Jul 28th, 2008 01:39:52 PM
wonder when this is going online? Nice to see Gavid Hood getting a huge blockbuster!
Cool. by JDanielP	Jul 28th, 2008 01:45:31 PM
I'm there.
I'll bet this blows worse than that goddamn Elektra movie by Speed Fricassee	Jul 28th, 2008 01:47:18 PM

Logan's back , Sabretooth's a real actor, wOw by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 01:51:57 PM
They look like a couple of Clint Eastwoods and they're mutants! This is looking nice. Love the young Stryker, that guy is awesome. The cool guy with the explosion at his back scene is a bit old, but the tone of the film is great, like an old classic. Gavin Hood is rising, rising.
Richard by Geekhaterssuck	Jul 28th, 2008 01:52:10 PM
Oh SWEET LORD!! You're right! What was I thinking? Man that means I need to keep the idea of "Marrow The Movie Bad to the Bone" to myself eh?
WEIRD BEARD-O-RAMA. by NiceGuyEddie19	Jul 28th, 2008 01:54:08 PM
That is all.
J Violence by Bricktops hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 01:58:43 PM
That makes no sense, I agree. Thought my Wolverine knowledge might be off, but I'm pretty sure he was the AGE HE IS NOW!!! when he got his claws. Worried
Thanks for the clarification Trik Ster by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 02:00:22 PM
But no, hopefully the movie would not have Ho yay.
J Violence, Bricktops by Laserhead	Jul 28th, 2008 02:07:52 PM
Wolverine always had claws- bone claws -it wasn't until he was an adult that the military coated his skeleton in adamantium, turning bone claws into metal blades.
If you don't watch this movie... by kenjinattix	Jul 28th, 2008 02:14:11 PM
I cut you god damn head off...see if that works.
How does Sabertooth look SO DIFFERENT from X-MEN 1? by Demode	Jul 28th, 2008 02:16:33 PM
I know, I know... different actor. But no black contacts... No blond hair... How do they explain the big difference in the way he looks in the first movie? Does he age? Is the Sabertooth in the first film not the same Sabertooth... a different mutant with similar powers who took the name?
It is canon that he was by Abominable Snowcone	Jul 28th, 2008 02:18:19 PM
always a mutant with excellent strength and stamina, and superhuman healing powers. He didn't get the metal until the weapon x project. Some marvel stories suggest he DID always have claws--except they too were bone, like the rest of his skeleton, until weapon X laced them with adamantium
Wow by CCSO1449	Jul 28th, 2008 02:24:00 PM
I have to admit this looks MUCH better than what I expected.
and its not like Dark Knight is perfect, its beatable by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 02:29:25 PM
The ending was silly and over dramatic, Dent going after the gangsters was fine but suddenly going after the kids was ridiculous. And the dramatic speeches by Bats and Gordon about self-sacrifice coupled with the pompous concert in the background was too much. Love your work, Nolan, but you do have some glitches. The fight scenes were boring, they were actually better in BB. And fantastic as the joker was played, he sure could have been a bit scarier, more intimidating. And would Dent's arrestees really have been let go just because he fucked up after he arrested them? And Dent's face was stoopid. The whole tone of the film is trying to be as realistic as possible, and then they make a freak who would at least have lost that gaping eye in the fire, more likely be dead from such a severe burn. The way it happened was lousy too, he stumbled?! While on the arm of Bats, no less? Bah! i say. And what was that ballet-like pirouette of the batpod all about?
pipergates by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 28th, 2008 02:33:29 PM
"...what was that ballet-like pirouette of the batpod all about?" Uh, it was about the awesome. Seriously, are you gonna bitch about that?! Remember kids - if it's awesome, then it FLIPPED THE BATPOD!!!
priveleges, bacci40 by Bricktops hammer	Jul 28th, 2008 02:35:55 PM
and what are the geek priveleges again?
Anybody think.... by LHombreSiniestro	Jul 28th, 2008 02:36:11 PM
that DeadPool and Gambit look like characters on a syndicated Saturday Evening action tv show, circa 1995? I mean in this movie....Kinda weak... where's Lorenzo Lamas?
Gambit... by The Eskimo	Jul 28th, 2008 02:36:49 PM
....does not look at all what I imagined from the comics, but granted his look changed quite a lot throughout the nineties, so maybe this'll work
This WOLVERINE trailer... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 28th, 2008 02:39:37 PM
...is like an eerie mix of "ugh!" and "cool!". I have no real expectations for this as I've grown tired of the X-MEN franchise. But what does this "origins" thing means? Are they actually thinking of doing more of these types of stories? I can't imagine any other X-Men character generating enough interest on their own for a studio to invest in another such enterprise.
EMMA FROST? by RawrMachine	Jul 28th, 2008 02:40:10 PM
What the chick who turned all white and diamond-like Emma Frost? Anyone else agree?
"mean" -- not "means" by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jul 28th, 2008 02:40:38 PM
Bloody typos.
Wow. by Liquid Meddle	Jul 28th, 2008 02:43:28 PM
That trailer was better than all 3 of those awful X-Men movies. Yes, I'm aware of the hyperbole of it all. Sabretooth FTW.
Dark Knight's flaws by zacdilone	Jul 28th, 2008 02:47:09 PM
(SPOILER AHEAD) Here's one--why would Batty have to take the blame for Dent's misdeeds? Just blame it on one of the Joker's henchmen or something. This Batman is too much of a martyr for my taste, and unnecessarily so. Ending was way too melodramatic.
The "300" music... by tremblays	Jul 28th, 2008 02:57:48 PM
...was a bad idea.
pipergates by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 02:58:34 PM
He didn't just get burned because he stumbled. remember Dent falling into all that lighter fluid or fuel or whatever? If even the littlest flame so much as touches the gas, don't you think it would ignite...like all over? and if you were not intimidated by Joker's complete lack of caring for his fellow man and complete insanity then I don't know what frightens you. Like him breaking the pool stick in half and making those goons fight. Can you imagine being put in that situation? It's pretty fucked up. What about when he's filming the fake Batman and the guy is just whimpering in fear? The guy was a great villain.
Just as long as Brett Ratner isn't allowed anywhere near it... by samsquanch	Jul 28th, 2008 03:11:25 PM
I know it's in the can, I just need some extra assurance. Brett Ratner can't ruin it now, can he?
I hope that isn't Emma Frost. by samsquanch	Jul 28th, 2008 03:17:58 PM
That would be a little too jarring.
pirouette of the batpod, Nice Gaius by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 03:21:31 PM
ok it looked kind of cool, but it looked too unrealistic, in an otherwise semi-realistic setting. He would have landed on his face had he tried that for real, it was clearly cgi'ed.
kungfuhustler, he stumbled into a epic villain by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 03:26:13 PM
I saw the fluid soaking his face too, im just refering to the act that creates this iconic character, is set off by a stumble, and a soak? thats just pitiful.
That is not Gambit! by robertplant	Jul 28th, 2008 03:32:46 PM
Gambit should be wearing a pink spandex suit, spandex pants, and a fucking brown trenchcoat! With that spandex border around his face and his hair covering one eye, like Victoria Beckham. Fuck this shit. I will not see this without Gambit in pink. Gambit=the first metrosexual superhero= my idol!
well yeah piper and uh... by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 03:32:47 PM
knowing the fucking women he loved was saved instead of him and he could do nothing about it!!! It's obvious you're trying REALLY hard to find shit wrong with the movie, but I'm not buying it. You are right. Dark Knight IS NOT perfect. But not for the stupid shallow reasons you state which don't even have any ground anyway since all of them can be explained away by any sensible observant person. It's not perfect, mostly because of an irregular final act which changes in tone and realism from the rest of the movie. While most of it is more of a crime drama, the sonar vision and the action at the end, as well as dent's convenient transformation are reasons why the movie falls short of a perfect 10. NOT because the bat pod does a fucking spin off a wall. by the way, I have seen guys do that on motorcycles before, so it's conceivable.
this looks cool.... by dilbynuggets	Jul 28th, 2008 03:36:58 PM
I don't know, I like what I see, it's got my money. Anyone who disagrees licks cunt pus. Cheers, Dilby
Trik Ster by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 03:45:52 PM
you are the first person I have ever met who was so positive that Magneto and Xavier are more than just friends...ever. And you haven't really said anything yet to support your argument. I don't know who you are trying to convince but I'm not sure anybody believes your hypothesis. Both, especially Xavier have histories throughout the comics of relationships with Women. Magneto has two children. surely you have heard of Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch? It's an interesting idea, and I could maybe see where you are getting it from, but not because of anything you have said.
sorry piper by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 03:51:29 PM
was killed not saved
makes sense Mr. Zed by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 03:56:25 PM
since the actor portraying him is in fact a homosexual, and it shows a little more than his role as Gandalf. And I don't think he didn't save Mystique because he didn't find her attractive or some bull shit. That logic is totally worthless. It's not like he could just be like, "Oh fuck the battle! I needs to tap that fine ass!" He has especially strong opinions on issues he feels are very important, and he sticks with him. He abandoned her because she was no longer of the same "species" as him and he no longer. Not because he would rather suck a cock or something. I think that through the two's body language in the films, it is evident that the two had a strong relationship, possibly also physical.
They have to call it X-Men Origins: Wolverine by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 03:57:31 PM
because they are scared that there are dumb people out there with money who still don't know that Wolverine is connected to the X-Men movies. I am totally shocked that TDK was not called "Batman: The Dark Knight". These movie executives are very simple thinkers and not sure how they let that one get by them. Of course it will be the 2nd highest grossing film in history, but I'm sure they still think if they forced Nolan to put "Batman" in the title, it would have made even more.
Con audiences suck. by ZeroCorpse	Jul 28th, 2008 03:57:38 PM
SHUT UP and stop cheering every time a new person shows up on screen, you cosplaying dipshits!
zacdilone by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 03:59:22 PM
yeah that makes no sense...TDK had LOTS of flaws...people overlook them because of Heath Ledger and a couple of good action sequences.,.go figure.
*no longer respects her by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 04:02:39 PM
and yeah, the idea of a gay Magneto is actually pretty cool to me. I guess I'm playing devil's advocate more than anything.
I have no shame. by Iowa Snot Client	Jul 28th, 2008 04:04:26 PM
I got all goose-pimply when Gambit showed up on screen.
And why did Batman crash on the batpod after going around the Jo by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 04:06:34 PM
I still don't understand that one. But the part where he jumped off the bldg to save Maggie was retarded, and the cell phone sonar was retarded, and Eckhart was crappy as Dent and the role was cartoonish as well. And has been pointed out elsewhere, Batman is dumb to get hurt so bad by dumb dogs. This film is incredibly overrated...entertaining but overrated. In a year or two, people won't be so giddy about it and a bit more rational in appraising it.
looks like an American ninja movie by hank quinlan	Jul 28th, 2008 04:10:33 PM
Really. It looks like something released in '85 or '86. Remo Williams. Commando. Whatever. And I like those movies. But maybe Gavin Hood wasn't the guy to give this too. I agree with other TBers. The Dark Knight makes everything feel flat. This should have had much more going for it. Not like there's not enough good Wolverine stores to turn into a good movie. And whats up with all that crazy facial hair BEFORE you're a super hero? Not excited.
gone already by slaughterstorm	Jul 28th, 2008 04:10:43 PM
missed it by that much.
too late yet again by jackmeat	Jul 28th, 2008 04:18:23 PM
damn
kungfuhustler, i loved the film by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 04:19:46 PM
But no im not trying hard to find things wrong with it, i watched it last week and it just came out as i was writing. If you say a motorbike can flip like that, maybe i believe you...in that case why didnt he do it next time instead of smashing into the wall? Just so Gordon could dramatically pop back alive? Its much better than BB, which had several big goofy moments. I just expected perfection, and it seems odd to me still that in such a huge endeavour, directed by true talent, they cant iron out the glitches.
Zed by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 04:21:19 PM
you're jumping around dude. You brought up the fact that "he must be gay because he didn't do Mystique when she was all naked human." and your statement about Magneto is very confusing so let's just drop the whole thing. I'm gonna go take a nap. Sheesh.
well piper by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 04:24:45 PM
nobody's perfect. Like you said, it's still pretty great. Let's just be happy the film is an excellent as it is and we don't have another nipple extravaganza on our hands. And I think Batman crashed into the van because he was really going to hit Joker but he chickened out at the last moment.
pipergates by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 04:59:42 PM
yes well said...I suppose it is a matter of time and attention and they have a release date they have to make regardless of holes in the plot/script. Most all of these superhero movies are money grabs and they set a release date before they even have a good script. But as long as they keep bringing in the profits, they have no real motive to be much better. TDK was better but it sure doesn't deserve $500 million domestic. But Heath Ledger's untimely death (and fine performance) is probably largely responsible for this.
working youtube link, get it while it's hot by BadMrWonka	Jul 28th, 2008 05:02:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eBGIQ7ZuuiU have at it kids...
Looks better than any of the X-Men movies by zooch	Jul 28th, 2008 05:05:54 PM
Wolverine turning on that motorcycle then taking out that car's wheel looked pretty damn cool.
I've just been Rick Rolled by Darwyn	Jul 28th, 2008 05:07:24 PM
By a 15 year old ginger kid. That video feels so surreal every time. Anyway, when are we going to get a legitimate fucking link to this footage? Is it that hard TB'ers? I want to see what everyone is so luke warm about...
As a big fan of Wolverine comics by zooch	Jul 28th, 2008 05:07:50 PM
I'm glad they are exploring Wolverine and Sabertooth's history. For people complaining that the other superheroes won't get their due...this is called X-men Origins: Wolverine. Not Wolverine and Gambit and Deadpool. Just like the comics, the other Marvel heroes in the story should only have cameos or small parts at most. If they are popular enough, they can have their own series later. That's how it works.
its still up at game trailers by Nite Owl III	Jul 28th, 2008 05:09:11 PM
link : http://www.gametrailers.com/pl ayer/usermovies/ 244645.html
Zooch by Darwyn	Jul 28th, 2008 05:09:33 PM
Where are you seeing this footage? It's still gone on my interwebs!
gametrailers.com/player/usermovi es/244645.html by CreasyBear	Jul 28th, 2008 05:12:27 PM

pipergates and perfection by Ace of Wands	Jul 28th, 2008 05:24:45 PM
pipergates, what's wrong with you?. You want perfection from such a collabrative process?. Can you name a single other film that is perfection?. I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that answer and anyway your quibbles are just that, quibbles and really minor ones at that and you seem to spectacularly fail to understand the realistic edge that Nolan and the cast and crew were going for with this film. As with The Prestige, I suggest a second viewing at least to understand the significance of some of the conversations and actions that are carried out and then you may be a little less concerned as to why the Batman crashed his cycle after narrowly avoiding killing the Joker with it (mind clouded with rage, perhaps: did you not hear his grunted yell of anguish?). For instance, think about the choice given to the Batman by the Joker when he tells him where Dent and Dawes are being held waiting to die; beautiful twist, switching the addresses so that the Batman arrives to find that it is Dent that he has come to rescue, not Rachel. But think about that a little further...if the batman had done the right thing for the City, for Gotham, and not for his own personal feelings, and raced to save Dent then he would have been in time to save Rachel...but not Gotham's best hope. Complex don't you think?. Probably not, because you're likely still after some bizarre notion of perfection instead of enjoying the moral conundrum of a film that Nolan et al did actually make. And a damn if it isn't a fine one at that.
fuck!! it's blocked due to copyright infringment! by Stalkeye	Jul 28th, 2008 05:30:07 PM
fucking hollywood.
A Note To Harry by Ace of Wands	Jul 28th, 2008 05:31:43 PM
When on earth are you going to update the features on this goddamn talk back: what about some editing abilities and some way of representing a little tone to the messages. This site cannot still be running on such a shoe string budget that features that are perfectly de rigeur on other forums seem like high tech sci-fi here. Come on Harry, up-frakkin-date.
this link still does work by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 05:38:15 PM
I know it is just posted above and I thought it was a goof but it is working: http://www.gametrailers.com/pl ayer/usermovies/%20244645.html
Ace of Wands by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 05:43:22 PM
there are innumerable films less flawed than TDK.
And TDK is about as "complex" as your average comic book by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 05:45:37 PM
Please tell me you are 13 years old, Ace of Wands...if not, I pity you.
but back to Wolverine by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 05:47:03 PM
This movie will probably be about the same quality as X3...maybe a bit more fun, but not much. But I can handle big, dumb fun if I go into it not expecting much else. Jackman is a charismatic actor too...if he can make The Fountain entertaining to watch, then this will surely be as well.
ColloquiallyBorn by BadMrWonka	Jul 28th, 2008 05:49:14 PM
that has to be the angriest I've ever seen someone react to watching hamsters dance... christ almighty, lighten up kiddo...
I wonder it will explain why Sabertooth... by Underdogthe3rd	Jul 28th, 2008 05:57:37 PM
... is retarded at XMEN 1.
Underdogthe3rd by blindambition238	Jul 28th, 2008 06:00:16 PM
Well Logan does threaten to chop off his head at the end of the trailer. Perhaps it grows back into the shape of a pro wrestler with the mind of an infant.
Batman Swerves because... by FILMFUNK	Jul 28th, 2008 06:02:45 PM
it was a trap to capture the Joker ALIVE! Wolverine looks OK but it's a trailer so duries out til opening night. The Dark Knight blew me the fuck away! Do you actually enjoy the medium of filmed entertainment Rupee88? because it sure doesn't sound like it! Maybee you should find a new hobby.
Blindambition238 by Underdogthe3rd	Jul 28th, 2008 06:04:13 PM
You're good!
I thought that looked pretty okay visually by Mockingbuddha	Jul 28th, 2008 06:05:14 PM
but it kind of reminded me of the Elektra movie in that it seems to be overlooking the story in favor of tossing in as many guest stars and storylines as they can and jamming them together. Elektra is the only Marvel movie I don't own on dvd, so that tells you how low my standards are for buying a dvd. The origin story by itself could be an okay movie, though I could understand them using it as flashbacks with the Weapon X stuff, but why the hell do they need the Japan stuff in there, are they afraid already they won't get a chance to do that in a sequel? The Japan story and the Weapon X story are really too big to jam together. Well I'll keep my fingers crossed that it'll turn out okay.
FILMFUNK by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 06:06:59 PM
I have other hobbies to keep me interested while you are watching crappy movies. Anyway, there are some great films out there but unfortunately few of them involve guys in costumes fighting crime. But as long as people keep paying to see the lackluster ones, that will never change.
the Dark Knight was overrated and this looks DOPE by chaddyd	Jul 28th, 2008 06:08:39 PM
Seriously. Enough with the Citizen Kane-like analogies for The Dark Knight. It was a decent superhero movie. No Iron Man, mind you, but an ok attempt. Period. End of story. Wolverine, however, looks pretty damn good. Anything with Liev Schriber in it will be good. Even the 3 episode CSI arc he did last year. What will make this movie rock the house even more, and is completely obvious, is to bring back the original yellow and brown suit like the action figures your broke ass dad never got you wore.
chaddyd, I agree with your headline!! by BadMrWonka	Jul 28th, 2008 06:13:21 PM
also, I think the war in Iraq is going really well, and Lost just keeps getting better!! also, Amy Winehouse is finally sober!
Fuck! It's gone! by Brody77	Jul 28th, 2008 06:15:38 PM
Gagging to see this as well
not bad. by Genre_Baby	Jul 28th, 2008 06:27:47 PM
Liev proved me wrong with his Sabertooth. I preferred part 1 to part 2 myself. Need to see more. Nice to see a bit of Ryan Reynolds and I'm presuming John Wraith (which was really cool for a Team X fan like myself). So far, they have me.
People didn't like the Hulk? by IForgotAbout19	Jul 28th, 2008 06:29:32 PM
I thought it was excellent. As for this, it looks awesome, but the trailers for the X-Men movies looked awesome too. Marvel's track record recently has improved greatly, but they're still far from off the hook for Tobey McGuire alone. The Dark Knight will hopefully usher in an age of comic book movies being allowed to take themselves seriously, but I don't think we should worry about it being copied; there is only one Batman. I'm looking forward to this, and I have to say hearing the crowd reaction is really powerful. When I saw Dark Knight the crowd lost their shit every time Ledger cracked a "Joke" and it made it that much more enjoyable. Anyways...Hulk?
Not that I advocate by IForgotAbout19	Jul 28th, 2008 06:31:34 PM
People being loud during movies. But it does have a certain charm in a theater.
I especially don't advocate by IForgotAbout19	Jul 28th, 2008 06:33:19 PM
Goth girls wearing chains all over themselves to movies. A girl got up during some scene and you could hear her jangling all the way to the bathroom. Though I DO advocate goth girls...Sort of....Anyways...Hulk? Tim Roth?
Here's what Gambit should look like by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 06:38:35 PM
http://www.bathrobekimono.com/ gambit.html Whatya think?
should be able to right click by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 06:39:50 PM
and open in a new window or download it to see it bigger
hahahahaha by StrokerX	Jul 28th, 2008 06:49:50 PM
i'm here to help
I dunno...this looks rather silly. by fiester	Jul 28th, 2008 06:49:59 PM
And since when did Logan have the claws before they performed the Weapon X procedure on him? That's some ret-conning right there, if that's the case. It was not always so and I have the comic books to prove it.
DENIED by deanbarry	Jul 28th, 2008 07:04:49 PM
Alas, I am too late. I will make myself feel less awful by rewatching the Friday 13th trailer instead. Ah yes, Jason Carnage.
People out to hate Dark Knight... by spectrebeeyatch	Jul 28th, 2008 07:17:24 PM
Don't get laid ever and that is a FACT. Some of you guys sound like serious stuck up ass holes I pitty your family and friends if you have any. Anyway this movie could be cool I'm going to wait to see much more before I really lay down any comments.
Fiester by Funketeer	Jul 28th, 2008 07:25:27 PM
I'm pretty sure you don't have the comics to prove it. Read Wolverine: Origin and then come back here and pretend to know what you're talking about.
why not look for perfection? by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 07:53:26 PM

Funketeer by fiester	Jul 28th, 2008 08:04:10 PM
It was ret-conned, noob. Cripes, there are Alpha Flights from the original run in the 1980s that show him in flashback when they found him after the Weapon X debacle, and he freaks out when he realizes he has claws. It's possible they ret-conned it so that he had them, but they memory wiped him so he didn't know he had them--but it was initially canon that he only got them after Weapon X. Or do you not understand what ret-con means? Probably.
why not look for perfection? by pipergates	Jul 28th, 2008 08:06:23 PM
I didn't really expect complete and utter perfection from TDK, and it delivered almost all it promised. But shit, even if its just a piece of pop-art, Nolan is attacking the genre like some Hitchcock...almost. Perfection, or semi-perfection, is attainable by directors like them. Its kind of sad to see something coming so close to a true gem and not quite making it. Its still the best superherofilm made so far. Wolverine actually looks like it might compete for the title. It's taking a more Nolan-like adult and dark approach than the previous juvenile Xmen films. Looks pretty spectacular. I dig that motorbike turning on the claws, how the heck did they film that?
Deadpool by WarpedElements	Jul 28th, 2008 08:16:10 PM
I hope they do Deadpool a la Joe Kelly instead of Fabian's hack Deadpool-lite. It's much more enjoyable when he's quite insane instead of just "Tee-hee! I said something politically incorrect or random!".
Wolverine's claws were retconned in 1993 by fiester	Jul 28th, 2008 08:20:11 PM
Didn't take too much research to find that out. They were Weapon X issue prior to that date, after which they were ret-conned to be bone for some reason (the reason being, apparently, they wanted to have Magneto strip his skeleton of the adamantine--but they still wanted to have Wolverine and how could they have a Wolverine without claws? So it was ret-conned.). So, yeah, I do have the comics to prove it. Basically any Wolverine related book prior to 1993.
fiester by WarpedElements	Jul 28th, 2008 08:39:39 PM
OMG! COMICS DO RETCONS NOW?! Next you'll tell me the killer of Batman's parents was never originally caught! And that Bucky was always thought of as a man frozen in a tube in Russia for the last few decades! Or that Wolverine was originally supposed to have the claws in his gloves and not in his arms until Claremont wrote it that way! HOW DARE the comic industry grow and change for future readers!
I didn't see Wolverine 3 when it was called by Rufferto	Jul 28th, 2008 08:39:56 PM
X3 in the theater and I wont be seeing Wolverine 4. This is some seriously corny shit. I shouldn't be amazed at all those suckers eating it up but one thing I've noticed from watching convention trailers, they'll cheer for anything all it needs is the name and they are already sold.
WarpedElements by fiester	Jul 28th, 2008 08:46:45 PM
What's your point? Mine was that he did not originally have claws; that they were given to him by Weapon X. This is correct.
here's another link just in case by YaKnow	Jul 28th, 2008 09:02:07 PM
http://www.dailymotion.com/vid eo/x69ybd_xmen-origins-wolveri ne-movie-teaser_shortfilms
Schreiber looks NOTHING like Sabretooth! by TheGhostWhoLurks	Jul 28th, 2008 09:17:54 PM
BAD casting, and as I thought, they have him covered in padded clothing to hide his atrociously flabby and out-of-shape body. This film will be a joke on the level of Elektra and Tom Jane's Punisher.
Hugh Jackman is no beserker killer whose by Rufferto	Jul 28th, 2008 09:18:50 PM
afraid of going out of control. He's a nice guy who occasionally sings and dances on Broadway.
Wolverine Origins, the Remake! by ganymede3010	Jul 28th, 2008 09:21:14 PM
I could of swore X1 & X2 were the Wolverine Origin movies?
THE DARK KNIGHT Made All Other Superhero Movies Irrelevant by LaserPants	Jul 28th, 2008 09:35:04 PM
It did, it really did. I mean, don't get me wrong, I still like the other good superhero movies (Batman Begins (which is really a part of the same awesome that is TDK), Spider-Man 1 & 2, X-Men 1 & 2, Iron Man, Blade 1 & 2, and to a lesser degree The Incredible Hulk), but TDK just rolled on up and made them all seem kinda silly by comparison. It blew the roof off the sucka. BLEW THE ROOF OFF THE SUCKA!!!
Origin stories blow... by phaedrus007	Jul 28th, 2008 09:43:59 PM
That's why X-Men2 was better than X-Men1, Spider-Man 2 better than Spider-Man 1 and Dark Knight better than Batman Begins. The Weapon X shit is boring and dumb. They should have done just done a kick-ass Japan story.
LaserPants by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 09:53:39 PM
in four months, you'll say TDK was "just ok".
LaserPants by Rupee88	Jul 28th, 2008 09:53:40 PM
in four months, you'll say TDK was "just ok".
I'll Check Back In With You In 4 Months by LaserPants	Jul 28th, 2008 10:08:27 PM
I don't think my opinion will change unless something else better comes along to usurp it (which is unlikely). I don't think I'll be quite as obsessed with it as I am now, of course, but I'm sure it will top my list. Batman Begins topped my list of superhero movies for the past 3 years, and this was MUCH better than that, so... yeah. I'm not fickle, I'm just an obsessive nut-case about stuff I love.
Didn't Wolvie... by torgosPizza	Jul 28th, 2008 10:08:34 PM
Have bone claws before Weapon X? I seem to recall this.
ANybody got a link that's still alive?? by Dogmatic	Jul 28th, 2008 10:10:17 PM

PLEASE??? by Dogmatic	Jul 28th, 2008 10:20:16 PM

A killer Wolverine story by kungfuhustler84	Jul 28th, 2008 10:22:29 PM
would be the stuff from Frank Miller's run in the 80s. You know the arc where the cover is him and a huge pile of ninjas? I know Frank is getting a lot of his stuff made lately but that arc is really some of the best Wolvie stuff ever, and it's almost entirely set in Japan.
The trailers are still up by quizzellbit	Jul 28th, 2008 10:29:27 PM
Quality kind of sucks but http://www.beyondhollywood.com /wolverine-comic-con-footagetr ailer/ still has the trailers up.
Bond wasn't good enough? by RockMSockM	Jul 28th, 2008 10:32:49 PM
So, let me get this straight--Hugh Jackman didn't want to get typecast by playing James Bond, but he's OK playing a comic-book mutant 4 times? Alrighty then. Just keeping score.
You people can't possibly think that that looks good by IndustryKiller!	Jul 28th, 2008 10:38:52 PM
It looks just like every other study in mediocrity that is the pre Iron Man Marvel franchises. And moreover it looks like a big convoluted hodgepodge of fanboy pleasing. And for god sake Fox, don;t feed the fucking fanboys. What is a fanboy really than someone who dedicates their whole life to loving something without even gaining the most basic understanding of it. Hence the love for Jackmans off base Wolverine. Anyone who loves the character knows that jackmans portrayal is at best surface level and at worst just a bad Cyclops wannabe.
That reminded me of a Van Damme movie. by ribbitking	Jul 28th, 2008 10:44:26 PM
Those explosions are out of 80's crap action movies. Who are those actors?
~~~STOP WHINING FANBOYS!~~~ by The Marquis de Side 3	Jul 28th, 2008 10:49:24 PM
We've got a WOLVERINE movie. We've got something really cool to look forward to, with 'ol Hugh in the role, who's REALLY cool, and it looks like they're really using more characters (Gambit, Emma Frost, Blob, Deadpool, etc.). Let's party! Wolverine's back!
~~~WHY THEY SHOULDN'T REBOOT XMEN...~~~ by The Marquis de Side 3	Jul 28th, 2008 10:53:34 PM
To really savor it, it requires more than just a two hour movie. Series likes HEROES and SMALLVILLE proove that there's a viable TV future for XMEN. Character development is always hard when you have to squeeze things into a two hour film. A 13 to 20 episode series (how's a 20-hour story versus a 2 hour one sound?) would do better, plus you get to see more action and plot and time with characters every week. Can anyone get Joss Whedon for that?
WOLVERINE - Of This You Can Be Sure (IndustryKiller1) by Spymunk	Jul 28th, 2008 10:56:21 PM
1) Wolverine won't kill, except MAYBE the big-bad-guy at the end, and even then, it won't be with a stabbing with claws. 2) Wolverine will have a love interest and will basically abandon his loner persona to pursue this love interest, only to have the love interest die tragically so that he can walk out into the Alasakn wilderness while lonesome music plays. 3) Wolverine will have one (ONE!) 'berserker rage' and a woman will pull him out of it, or he might have one as a child and we'll get a crane shot of him standing over the 'injured, but could pass for dead' bodies of bullies and tormentors. 4) Wolverine will square off against a character who will show off all kinds of 'badass' mutant powers only to get punched in the face and knocked out, basically like General Grievous from REVENGE OF THE SITH - there won't be ANY kind of fight like you saw in X2 with a lot of clawing/scraping/blood/etc. 5) #4 is true because #5 - you'll spend the whole movie anticipating a Logan/Sabertooth fight, and when it actually happens Logan and Sabertooth will be 'seperated by circumstance' before a definitive conclusion will be offered, thus affording the events to come in future movies. 6) Logan as a child will take up approximately 1/5th of the runtime, followed by a caption that reads 22 YEARS LATER or something like that - in other words, there will be a VERY brief actual 'origin' and we'll be thrown right into Weapon X times, thereby eliminating most of the elements that made the ORIGINS comic successful. We won't get a lot of focus on Wolverine's actual origin, and they'll jump into boring Weapon-X stuff where "Everyone is part of the CONSPRIACY!" Fanboys _LOVE_ conspiracies ... right? Just as BIONIC WOMAN! You hit the nail on the head exactly right - NEVER feed the fanboys.
No guys seriously, someone fucking explain how this looks good by IndustryKiller!	Jul 28th, 2008 11:56:24 PM
And don't say it looks "bad ass" because it doesn't. it looks just like the other fucking X-Men movies, of which even the first two are vastly overrated. Secondly what could the justification for all these mutants be except blantant fan pleasing not seen since Lucas brought back Boba Fett in Episode II. And we all know what happened there. Why the fuck would Gambit run into Wolverine?? And just the look of Deadpool, White Queen (who doesn't have an ounce of majesty to her) and Blob already make me cringe with their brand new Hollywood makeovers. And man I could do without a talented guy like Liev Schreiber mugging and growling for the camera like a maniac for a paycheck. Then there's Jackmans Wolverine, which still no one has made a solid argument in defense of. if you think that scenes like X2's "berserker" scene encapsulate the character you're dead wrong. Read a comic book. his berserker isn;t supposed to be a really angry guy running around but more like an uncaged rabid animal tearing through everything. it's not calculating in the least, it's completely unhinged. Wolverine also has a quiet nobility and sadness to him that Jackman misses completely. Jackman is gruff, but it takes a lot more than that to capture Wolverine. Think Eastwood from The Outlaw Josie Wales and you're on the mark. i guess the idiot public likes everything to be "likable" though.
rupee88 by Ace of Wands	Jul 29th, 2008 12:42:01 AM
No doubt that there are films with less flaws than TDK- and many more that are more flawed; but that wasn't the question. I asked pipergates to name but one single film that was perfect- not name a film with flaws.
pipergates and perfection...again by Ace of Wands	Jul 29th, 2008 12:46:52 AM
pipergates, I think I now see whay you consider TDK so flawed; because you don't know what you are talking about. There can be no such thing as semi-perfection, by its very nature anything that falls short of perfection cannot be perfection- you do get that, don't you?. TDK is not perfect but it is a very fine effort towards obtaining that goal ( the goal is unobtainable by the way, it is the striving for it that sets some films apart from most of the others). But as i asked before, if you know a film that is perfect, please name it.
Ace Of Wands by IForgotAbout19	Jul 29th, 2008 01:07:37 AM
Mulholland Drive. And Goodburger
Good Lord... by TheRealMoriarty	Jul 29th, 2008 01:29:24 AM
... what is WRONG with you people? And, no, I don't mean those of you actually reacting to the underwhelming X-MEN WOLVERINE ORIGINS PART I: THE BEGINNINGING footage. I mean the rest of you freaks. Eggsalad... back to the asshole factory with you.
industrykiller.. by soup74	Jul 29th, 2008 01:37:20 AM
you want a defense for jackman's wolverine? okay, heres the thing.. the wolverine from the 70's comic is different then the direction they took him in the 80's... which is also a bit different from how they portrayed him in the 90's (and the 2000's and so on) most comic book characters grow and change throughout their 40 or so years since being created. you've picked the characterization of wolverine that you like the best, and claimed that jackman got it all wrong..now doesnt that sound a little 'fanboy-esque' of you? (since you were just complaining about catering to the fanboys) plus, nobody wants to admit this, but what works in comics does not translate 100% to screen (even with a comic basically being a story board) you still need to tweak things to bring the story to a new medium. (this is why alan moore hates his comic being made into movies.. he wrote comics, not storyboards for movies..that being said, i wish he would just chill out..but i digress) its like 'the dark knight' which most of us can agree is an instant classic, but really, batman has been tweaked and changed a bit to fit into the medium of film. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.
Okay... by TheRealMoriarty	Jul 29th, 2008 01:40:42 AM
... troll's gone. And so are all the "Hey, that guy's a troll!" posts. In the future, you reeeeeeeeally don't need to post "Fuck you troll!" 900 times. That sort of makes you a troll, too.
I love you Moriarty by kungfuhustler84	Jul 29th, 2008 02:11:54 AM
marry me.
Leave it someone with "Soup" in thier name to say something inte by DOGSOUP	Jul 29th, 2008 02:25:19 AM
Well done.
Moriarty by deanbarry	Jul 29th, 2008 02:47:04 AM
maybe there are a few more posts you can delete also...
Wow soup74, some defense by IndustryKiller!	Jul 29th, 2008 10:11:27 AM
So anything substantive about what Jackman does that you care to touch on or just more vague generalities? Yeah characters change over time, but there are things about them that remain constant or SHOULD remain constant. Just because someone writes them or plays them a certain way doesn't mean that way is valid simply because it exists. there are TONS of bad portrayals and versions of every comic book character. i'm simply calling one out. i explained in plain terms some of the things I don't like about the character. There are reasons people fell in love with the character and I think jackman misses a lot of them. Plus he never disappears into the character. He's all actorly glower and never truly sells the inner struggle. you can tell in really life he's actually a nice guy working hard at playing tough.
This looks crappy by INWOsuxRED	Jul 29th, 2008 10:39:26 AM
I don't see what people are excited about here, this looks terrible. I hope they somehow manage to pull a good movie out of this, but this trailer just confirms my fears that this will be bad.
Trailer also available here..... by rpftwebmaster	Jul 29th, 2008 11:45:47 AM
At least for the time being it is at: http://www.RealPoliticalFaceTa lk.com/
Trailer here from cinemaniax.net by Cinemaniax	Jul 29th, 2008 12:10:47 PM
http://www.cinemaniax.net/modu les.php?name=News&file=article &sid=765&mode=&order=0&thold=0
Wolverine got me into comix by Prague23	Jul 29th, 2008 12:40:03 PM
One of the first 20 or so I ever bought was part 1 of the Frank Miller miniseries. An original. Then picked up the rest of em. Frank Miller, Neil Gaiman and Allen Moore rocked my 15-year old frakin world. And they're all making films of the stuff now. Even if it's different than the comix, I celebrate being able to at least get to see these works on screen. My ticket might as well already be bought for Wolverine. Watchmen is going to be amazing anyway you look at it. It's not going to be the comic because of what it'll have to leave out. And that's going to be the major criticism, just folks whining about how green the grass is on the cutting room floor, or in the screen writer's recycle bin. Yet, I haven't heard any great criticism about Dark Knight 'fuckin' with the origin of the Joker aspect. If you're just jumping on the boxoffice busting bandwagon in a Star Wars 'transcending criticism' way, and if you'll start complaining about Watchmen, for example, keep in mind how many liberties Nolan is taking with Batman and wonder with me about what's in between the praise. Empty space needing to be filled. This is directed to you Moriarty, if you're not too busy.
Prague23 by ArcadianDS	Jul 29th, 2008 12:54:12 PM
excellent post. One that will be universally ignored. The parents of Batman were killed by an anonymous generic Thug #7 and Batman beat him up inside the boxcar of a train as his way of having his vengeance. As I recall, he may have actually killed Generic Thug #7, and that was something of a controversy when the Batman comics were first published. anyway, every single Batman movie to date has redrafted the story and how all the pieces fall into place. Harvey Dent became two face when he was on the witness stand (cuz district attorneys take the stand all the time, amirite?) Generic Thug #24 threw a cup full of caustic acid across the court room (it was a lead cup, I suppose?). Batman was in the court room (because Batman works as a legal aide during the day?) and he leaped out to block the acid with his awesome palm, but only deflected half of it. Thus was born Two Face, and his bitterness at Batman for failing to protect his entire melon from Generic Thug #23's Nissan Cup-O-Acid (with real vegetables). The moral of the story is: Batman's original storyline was stupid, uninspired, and very dumb. Im all for rewriting out the dumb in order to make the story something worth investing time in.
The Dark Knight's "flaws" by ChocolateJesus	Jul 29th, 2008 01:39:47 PM
Whatever flaws the movie had were minimal in contrast with its strengths, which is more than I can say for any other super hero movie. Anyone who likes comic book movies and is complaining about The Dark Knight has no credibility whatsoever. And reinterpretation of a character is something any comic book fan should be totally fine with, considering its such a standard of the comic book world. Also, this Wolverine thing looks like it could be cool. Still Hugh Jackman, though, so...y'know...
the comic book 'look' by oisin5199	Jul 29th, 2008 01:49:46 PM
I think people get way too obsessed over how well a film translates the comic book 'look.' Tyler Mane's Sabretooth looked more like the comic book, but he was a shit character, badly acted, in an otherwise decent film. I love that Sabretooth is being played by a real actor with great chops (no pun intended) who matches Wolverine physically and has the potential to enrich Logan's backstory. You can see how these two might be buddies at one time. I'd rather have a well-written character with a different onscreen translation, than one that 'looks' like the comic but is flat and uninteresting. I also like that the look and tone of this trailer is very different from the X-Men films - a lot less shiny and technological, much more in line with the various Wolverine solo series. I'm already predicting this film will be worlds better than X-Men3, though that's not really a high bar.
I'M OVER HUGH JACKMAN AS WOLVERINE by BringingSexyBack	Jul 29th, 2008 02:03:16 PM
I like him as an actor, but he don't make Wolverine very interesting to me.
As a huge X3 hater by Second Try	Jul 29th, 2008 02:21:45 PM
I have great doubts about this one... The 3rd film was a big disappointment.
Prague by Abominable Snowcone	Jul 29th, 2008 02:35:37 PM
are you talking about that 1984 four-issue miniseries? Ah, yes, I had those too. Back when people would ask who your favorite character was, and you'd say Wolverine, and they'd just give you a dumbfounded look
Suckit23 by mr.brownstone	Jul 29th, 2008 03:30:32 PM
I feel the same way... about BLADE.
yes, industrykiller it is a good defense.. by soup74	Jul 29th, 2008 04:32:59 PM
i wasnt calling you wrong or anything, i think you're an intelligent movie goer who asked for a reason why someone might like jackman as wolverine, and i gave one. lets go over wolverines main points in the comic and the movies: hes got a healing factor- check hes got adamantium lined bones and claws- check hes a loner- check (and i know you're going to say they didnt portay him as 'loner' enough, but stay with me, im building to a point) hes got a mysterous past- check hes in love with jean gray- check. hes older than he seems- check he smokes cigars- check hes prone to using the word, bub- check he was part of a goverment project, he later joined the x-men- check etc.. i could go on, there are more major points to his character that are still there. so what im saying is that after you make the major design of the character, who IS wolverine, then the rest of the subtleties are up to the writer. len wein, chris claremont, brian singer, etc, all wrote wolverine a little different (i mean, christ how many different origins did they give him before they finally settled on one?) so if in the comic the berzerker rage is like a feral animal, and in the movie the berzerker rage is getting really pissed and killing a bunch of baddies, does it really matter if its slightly different? shouldnt it just be cool that they added a major point (a berzerker rage) or would you rather worry about the fact that they way they portrayed it was different than the way you portrayed it in your head? by doing it their way doesnt mean they dont 'get' the character, they just did what they figured was best for 'cinema' and not 'comics.'
by the way by soup74	Jul 29th, 2008 04:34:30 PM
im kind of arguing for arguments sake here.. i didnt actually think the wolverine trailer looked that good, but im hoping for the best.
and i guess by soup74	Jul 29th, 2008 04:44:49 PM
i never really answered your question.. what is there to like about jackman's wolverine? well its been a while since ive seen all three x movies, but he played up the smart ass pretty well, i actually laughed at the " you're a dick" line in the first one. whenever there was a fight, hugh was good at showing that wolverine is pissed and ready for action, without any fear. the only time he shows too much concern for violence is when someone he cares about could get hurt. jackman was very profeciant at making that come across.
rupee88...what has age go to do with it? by Ace of Wands	Jul 29th, 2008 04:48:51 PM
I'm not 13 but what if I were?. Why should that invalidate a reasoned argument. Nolan's TDK is about many things but amongst them is identity, duality, sacrifice. These issues have featured in his other movies, Memento, Insomnia, Batman Begins and The Prestige so I have to assume that you are saying, too, that those films lack complexity. That's where your ludicrous argument shoots itself in the foot- and you could be a hundred and three and it wouldn't make anymore sense. But it's not my age or your age that is the issue here, it is your singular lack of understanding of Cinema.
prague 23 what Joker origin by Ace of Wands	Jul 29th, 2008 04:58:59 PM
Can you tell me how TDK has messed around with the Joker origin? It shows no origin, which is pretty much how the Joker was when first introduced- he had no back story then so, if anything, the comics themselves, and Burton's movie, have "fucked" with the origin of the Joker where as Nolan has stayed true to the ambiguity of it. Once again, how is that 'fuckin' with it?.
I Hope that Marvel gets the righrs back from by Phategod2	Jul 29th, 2008 05:17:42 PM
FOX and Sony then we can see a better X-men and Spiderman movie.
Rights by Phategod2	Jul 29th, 2008 05:18:27 PM
I have to remember proof reading is my friend
Looks cool, also Jackman seems like a chilled out guy by TheWaqman	Jul 29th, 2008 08:58:14 PM
He seems like a really cool guy. The type that actually respects his fans and everything. Anyways this movie definitely looks like its going to make up for that shitty X3 movie.
Can't wait. by halberd	Jul 29th, 2008 09:46:11 PM
That trailer looks pretty promising... 'comic book look' or not, Schreiber looks set to add some caliber to the acting as a whole. And lest we forget the MONEY shots... that's what I'm talkin' about.
at least you have all of the obvious aesthetics covered Soup by IndustryKiller!	Jul 29th, 2008 11:07:49 PM
the things that you couldn't possibly fuck up. the soul and core of the character we aren't so lucky about. As for him being a wise ass, Wolverine when done best is always far more BAD ASS than WISE ASS. Just look at the schlocky jokey way Joss Whedon writes the character. now some people like that, but those people don't get Wolverine. He has a cynical dry sense of humor, but not a wise ass. Check out Morph if you want a wise ass. If he's an outright wise ass it takes away from the inate sense of sadness that he's always carrying with him, it also robs him of his cool mystique. The man isn't a talker, let alone a joker.
It is what it is. Still looks better than X3! by Joey_Redballs	Jul 29th, 2008 11:15:30 PM
It still looks better than X3's army of generic, jumping mutants with no particular powers other than to jump super high and rush the enemy. I'm a little leary of Cotton Weary playing Sabretooth. Yes, he's a better actor than Tyler Mane. But it's an enormous continuity error and not just storywise. I'm all for a different look for Sabretooth, but he just lost 8 inches in height along with 100lbs and his black eyeballs. Tyler Mane is 5 inches taller than Liev, plus they had him wear boots that made him even taller. Is Liev going to get his memory erased along with blackened eyes and some kind of Super Shredder formula to make him bigger at the end of the movie? And I thought Wolverine lost his memory during the ravaging of his body when the hot adamantium was poured over his skeleton? Yet, he's got the metal claws in a scene fighting Sabretooth? Is that also in the early 90's or the present? I'm just going to watch this movie for what it is, and try and enjoy some ooh's and ahh's for those moments here and there that they do get right. I'm interested to see Wolverine's bone claws in higher resolution. Check out Cotton Weary as Sabretooth here: http://host.trivialbeing.org/u p/liev-schreiber-wolverine-mar 5-sabretooth.jpg
The Walking Dead as a premium cable tv series? by Joey_Redballs	Jul 29th, 2008 11:23:19 PM
That's what I want to see! Rated R to NC-17 equivalent hour-an-episode series of The Walking Dead on HBO or Showtime. They could make and release episodes faster than Kirkman can get issues released so the series would be caught up with the comic book by issue #100. You could easily combine 4 or 5 issues into an hour long episode with little or no condensing. Who's with me? Nevermind. I'm going to bed.

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