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LOST To Solve The Four-Toed Statue Mystery in Season Five?? Plus New Marvin Candle Movie!!

Woot! by fishpillow	Jul 26th, 2008 04:32:33 PM
LOST!!!!! LOST!!!!! LOST!!!!
Raft Deaths by bgeek	Jul 26th, 2008 04:33:19 PM
That'd be a shame since Davies brought a lot to the show. But, deaths in lost are meaningless anyway.
Wow. What about Daniel himself? by SkidMarkedUndies	Jul 26th, 2008 04:33:29 PM
Will he just warp to the island?
What about flash-SIDEWAYS??? by BeeDub	Jul 26th, 2008 04:36:25 PM
Where they have the usual cut-to-flashback-or-flashforwa rd noise, and then... it's the EXACT SAME SCENE!
so no one went to see the X-Files movie? by Boomers_Lips	Jul 26th, 2008 04:42:19 PM
apparently not since it bombed/flopped.
Seriously SkidMark by Crow3711	Jul 26th, 2008 04:44:00 PM
It's very strange to hear the people on his raft are dead. Either he has some special connection where he got taken with it, or the producers just meant that youll never be seeing those people he was with again on the show because they didn't matter. Puzzling stuff. I wonder why they would release that information. Probably because they know how much everyone loves Faraday and want people to tune in to make sure he's still alive. I don't Faraday being dead is an option for the show at all.
How about a flashback that turns into a flashforward.. by IAmMrMonkey!	Jul 26th, 2008 04:44:39 PM
..before flashing back again?
And Boomer... by Crow3711	Jul 26th, 2008 04:45:59 PM
I saw the X-Files movie. Save your time, seriously. Reviews don't infleunce me, X-Files or not, it is just a boring, dull film. There is nothing "X-Files" about it. It could have just been a random movie about two FBI agents investigating a murder. Besides Mulder and Scully it is devoid of anything XFiles.
Does the dog get a flashforward or flashback? by IAmMrMonkey!	Jul 26th, 2008 04:47:10 PM
I want to see his life as a puppy damnit. And then I want to see his life when he's surrounded by dog biscuits and a Mrs Dog is waiting for him in a kennel.
Maybe the next season will be an entire flashback... by IAmMrMonkey!	Jul 26th, 2008 04:48:45 PM
They'll just repeat season one except at the end of the final episode Jack suddenly wakes up in the shower with Patrick Duffy.
They should get Peter Griffin on the island by IAmMrMonkey!	Jul 26th, 2008 04:51:00 PM
That guy loves his flashbacks!
Faraday by Stickman83	Jul 26th, 2008 04:56:36 PM
in the article itself, it says that Daniel survived, but as for the rest of the raft... "there's a monsoon coming". whatever the hell that means. but Daniel's alive, so all's well =P
the linked article, that is by Stickman83	Jul 26th, 2008 04:57:04 PM

Doesn't everyone have four toes? by Etrigan_	Jul 26th, 2008 05:00:08 PM
Having five fingers but only four toes is strange. Hopefully this will all make some kinda sense when it's done. I'll be following Lost to the last episode and then the talk backs!!
Is it possible to flash forward then flash back by fiester	Jul 26th, 2008 05:03:58 PM
or would you just be back where you started again? Lost is terrible by the way.
Do the writers or their monkies read AICN? by Xiphos_2	Jul 26th, 2008 05:04:46 PM
The Guyliner wearing Batmanuel/4 toed statue connection has been a staple of Lost talkbacks for a long while now.
I bet Richard Alpert is from the future! by TomHooligan	Jul 26th, 2008 05:10:41 PM
I love Lost, the only thing that pisses me off is how long we have to wait till the next season starts. It's driving me insane. Heroes season 3 better get better than season 2. Its gonna keep me sane untill lost comes out. It best be good or im going to bite my fists off in frustration.
Thank GOD. by Willips Brighton	Jul 26th, 2008 05:12:13 PM
The four-toed statue was such a maddeningly enigmatic puzzle, entrancing viewers and causing ... oh wait, no it's not.
Aw man... what the hell?! by HBO	Jul 26th, 2008 05:12:30 PM
Seriously now, its a statue of the guy's foot? WTF man, was he bored and just made a statue of his foot? Gah, weak... weak man. Next thing you know they will say he is a simpson and he really is yellow. I hate this show.
Maybe its homer simpson's foot? by TomHooligan	Jul 26th, 2008 05:15:17 PM
I sense a Lost/Simpsons crossover
Rousseau flashback goddammit! by lex romero	Jul 26th, 2008 05:32:20 PM
We were promised one! But now she's dead and there saying there might not be any more flashbacks? I want to see her go all crazy and kill her crewmates!
'there's a monsoon coming' by Dangkok_Bangerous	Jul 26th, 2008 05:35:14 PM
that means it'll rain for 45 minutes and then be hot as fuck and seem as if it never rained...sorry, these Arizona summers are killing me. What were we talking about?
no one cares. by hey...jonboy	Jul 26th, 2008 05:37:05 PM
honestly, the people who created the set probably forgot to make a 5th toe. then a bunch of nerds who analyze every frame of an episode noticed it forcing the writers to somehow incorporate this "mystery" into their ever bloating story. the show is great but this has to be the least intriguing unanswered question. the idea for a dog flashback would be brilliant, but save it for the final episode. im sure the dog probably was cleaning himself when some of the characters were divulging secrets.
Boomers Lips by Charlie Murphy	Jul 26th, 2008 05:47:34 PM
i went at noon yesterday and there was almost no one there. the movie was... not good.
Vincent! Yay! by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 05:57:50 PM
Alpert is clearly a big cheese but I didn't think he was THAT big. Gots to agree lex romero, after the only really low point of season 4 (her casual death) Rousseau deserves her flashback. Messages from the future, changes to the past... As long as it doesn't end in a giant fucking reset button. There has to be consequences to all this not just a "nullifying" of the Island with everyone on the plane not crashing and carrying on blissfully unaware etc.
The bigger mystery on Lost by Xiphos_2	Jul 26th, 2008 06:32:52 PM
Is why does Batmanuel wear guyliner? Is he a former Hair Band member from the 80's? Do him and Ben Linus go on Man Dates?
Farday's voice at the end of the candle video? by thegimik	Jul 26th, 2008 07:06:26 PM
Was it just me or did that sound like Daniel Faraday telling Candle that the video was "useless"?
Maybe the O6 change the past... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Jul 26th, 2008 07:23:59 PM
I don't know if I like that idea, but I could see each member of the O6 changing their fate -- by not boarding Oceanic 815. Jack doesn't argue at the flight check-in; Sun runs off before Jin finds her; Hurley shows up late; Kate manages to escape from the marshal; and Sayid -- err, I forgot, why was he on the plane?
maxwell's hammer by maxwell's hammer	Jul 26th, 2008 07:51:17 PM
Anyone who is proclaiming the X-Files movie to be 'bad' either isn't a true X-Files fan, or is just too hung up about not getting an alien abduction/black oil/heavy mythology movie. Don't listen to the bad hype. Its actualy a tightly plotted character driven gem. And on that note, I would like to hear what Herc or Harry or Moriarty have to say about it.
Definitely was faraday on video by FrodoFraggins	Jul 26th, 2008 07:56:56 PM
It was definitely him talking.
XF2 WAS BAD, I'm a fan & didn't expect or want mythology. by Shermdawg	Jul 26th, 2008 08:32:21 PM
Other than the trailers for, the leaked decoy pic, and hearing about the film's midcredit final shot, I stayed away from spoilers on this one. I didn't want anything ruining this for me. X-files was my favorite show growing up (I only missed two episodes), and honestly I'd consider it the best show of the 90's, even with it's heavy handed mythology that ended up being so convoluted it ended up spiraling the show into ridiculousness. The mythology seemed like the main draw during it's initial run (even though I fucking loved the comedic episodes), but once it was all over, and you begin to reminisce, you realize that the standalone episodes are where the show really excelled. Now, when I heard they weren't focusing on the mythology for I Want To Believe, I was one of the few fans that actually thought that this was a good move. The Alien conspiracy had been wrapped up, drug out, and rehashed by countless other shows since Files left the air, and revisiting it, when most of the players had been killed off would be a bit lame. We were led to believe this would be a good old Mulder and Scully monster flick with that pic of a werewolf-like monster Chris Carter leaked on the net earlier this year. But that's not what we got. This film isn't for the fans. This film wasn't made to bring in a new audience to the franchise. After checking out the midnight premiere last night, I gotta say, this thing seems like it was made strictly for Gillian Anderson. Which in some ways, was to be expected given the fact that 1998's Fight The Future mostly focused on David Duchovny's Fox Mulder. But here, years after the series has ended, were given a film where Dana Scully. The Dana Scully that was once a hardnosed skeptic, the Dana Scully who over the course of eight and a half seasons of encountering every freak, monster, and alien in the book (even a few demons), the Dana Scully who, along with Fox had a telekinetic baby (a baby who gets no more than a small mention in the film), is back to struggling with her faith and beliefs. She's back to being the skeptic to Mulder's want to believe. Retconning her mindset and having her act like that, is a slap in the face to everyone that watched the show and stuck with it for better or worse. With as much as she's seen, with as much as she's personally experienced, and the film basically ignoring it all and treating it simply as time spent with the FBI, is ridiculous. There's a thing called character development. This was character retardation. If you see a candle, you feel the heat it gives off, you see the heat from the flame melting the wax, you hold a piece of paper over it and watch it blacken, you even go so far as to stick your damn finger in and you suffer a burn, after all of that, does it make sense to question fire afterwards? Hell no. Scully playing the skeptic and having her and Mulder go on and on about the difference in their willingness to accept the things they encounter at face value was focused on more than enough in the series, and waiting this long for the gang to get back together only to retread material that didn't need to be, and making that the focus of the film, doesn't make much sense. Now I can understand her wanting to pursue a normal life, but how the show ended, it left with so many possibilities of where you could take the couple, instead we have the two hurled back in time character-wise, their "criminal records" wiped clean, and they help out with a case in which they really have nothing to offer other than a lame as fucking hell connection that blows the case wide open towards the end of the movie. Instead of pushing the franchise forward, instead of giving us an enjoyable last hurrah akin to Shatner and Nimoy's final Star Trek outing in The Undiscovered Country, series creator Chris Carter gives us a u-turned Scully character study that is used as a platform for a certain hot button issue. (You thought the big brother bit in The Dark Knight was bad? Wait 'til you see this.) One that probably would've already been explored a few years ago if the show was still running. One that makes for a premise that could have been interesting as hell, especially if they would've focused more on the plot and upped the rating to an R. I don't know how many youngin's they expected to pull in to this one, but dammit in a story that calls for the gore factor to be raised like no other installment in X-files history, we're left with shots that are way tamer than the images you see regularly on it's spiritual successor Supernatural. And that is aired without warnings on network tv mind you. (btw Supernatural's Nick Aycox (Meg) plays victim #2) I'm willing to bet they'll be an unrated gorified dvd though. Several key moments and deaths seemed to have been edited, especially the anticlimatic finale. The film is so uneven, too much dialogue and not enough creepy moments. But even with possible added gore, ya can't get around flatout dumb moments that this thing throws at us. I don't think I've ever thrown my arms up in disbelief before while watching a film, but here, in one particular scene, I did. The good doctor is trying to find info in regards to her treatment of a kid she's caring for. Now given it's Dana Scully, she probably would've already been fairly knowledgeable regarding the information she was seeking, yet, she still does a google search, and there's this extremely heavyhanded montage of those three words she typed in and ends with her writing it out on a folder and underlining it, which after the montage seems almost comical. And given the type of hospital she now resides at, that's not something you wanna have written on a folder you're carrying around. It's the type of research scene that would be parodied on South Park and has been countless times in the past. Then there are moments that are so coincidental, you'd believe that there's more than one psychic running around in the film. Like for instance Mulder walking into a farm supply store questioning the shopkeeper, and one of the suspects just happens to pull up while he's there. Sure, things like that happened in Fight The Future (the train for example), but in relation to what goes down minutes beforehand and the vicinity and timeframe of where those involved are traveling to and from, it's more than a bit hard to swallow. What's a bit easier to swallow though, now that I've seen the film, is Xzibit's performance as Agent Dogget's filler. He sucks at his delivery in his final scene, but for the most part he's nowhere near as bad as I feared he'd be. (He even gives us his signature wide legged stance while awaiting M&S's chopper landing.) Maybe because he, along with Agent Reyes' filler Amanda Peet have limited screentime. (And the rumors of those two getting a series, were just that.) Peet offers nothing to the film other than those beautiful twinkling eyes of hers. It's obvious this was rushed. Not only with the limited time frame Anderson reportedly held them to, to get this out after years of legal disputes involving Carter and Fox that delayed the project. But this was reportedly written quickly to make the WGA strike deadline last year. And it's surprising it wasn't given more of a push in terms of scale given this is one of the few high profile films Fox had on it's plate for summer 2008. All of those factors along the neutering of the gore and lack of focus on the bad guys, makes for a disappointing final chapter to The X-Files saga. And yes, this is the end. If you sit through the credits and see that final shot, it's pretty obvious, it's over. (Despite Carter's hint at the 2012 alien invasion) Not to mention this will probably pull in less than what I initially thought, given the negative reviews that are circulating throughout the outlets of those that would have given this a somewhat healthy opening weekend. My $50 million prediction is $35 (if even that). There's no retcon of the idiotic move of killing off The Lone Gunmen like many pleaded. There's no rumored cameo from Millennium's Frank Black. Only one familiar face shows up and is barely used (which is a shame). There's not all that many nods to the fans or injokes other than a few quirks of Mulder from his home office. Really, this movie fails at a tv to bigscreen jump. People are saying this plays like an episode of the series rather than a expansion. Which is partly true, but this doesn't stack up against any of the Mulder/Scully episodes of the show at all. It's missing that spark between the two, and is far too lost in it's melodrama for it's own good. The only thing I can say that is pretty bad ass coming out of this trainwreck is Mark Snow's score. Which at times, is unbelievably reminiscent of Silent Hill. Other than that, I'd suggest skipping this for now, it ain't good.
Richard Alpert as the four-toed statue... by mefrog	Jul 26th, 2008 08:36:26 PM
...coupled with his anti-aging thing really strengthens the theory that he was captain of the Black Rock. I'd like to see more of that story as well. And the Dharma video was balin'. And that definitely was Faraday.
Also, the film did underperform, but it is NOT a bomb. by Shermdawg	Jul 26th, 2008 08:39:40 PM
I'm hearing it brought in something in the low twenties this weekend. The budget was thirty. With overseas returns and dvd sales, it'll do fine.
Faraday by PirateEmery	Jul 26th, 2008 08:41:52 PM
Good to see that I'm not crazy and that other folks heard him too.
Now, regarding Lost. by Shermdawg	Jul 26th, 2008 08:46:46 PM
It's about time they tackled the toe issue. It's been at the top of my list of unanswered mysteries since that damn statue was shown in the season two finale.
Shermdawg... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 26th, 2008 08:51:43 PM
...long time no see. Anyway, I appreciate your thoughtful deconstruction of the movie that logically supports your opinion, but I still think most of the things you're complaining about are the same kinds of things we happily ignored on the original series. Scully's stubborn skepticism; weird coincidences necessary to move the plot forward; one-dimensional supporting characters. And other things, I'm glad were handled the way they were. You can't get too bogged down in things like Scully's telepathic baby without it being a distraction from a plot that is tonally much different. Most of the suggested cameos would have been shoe-horned in, and I like the fact that Skinner only makes a brief appearance. When the audience saw him at my showing, they cheered. The plot didn't really call for him until Scully had to call in a favor. I guess in the end, you were just very unforgiving of a lot of little things (that you'd call big things) that I found it easy to overlook in order to enjoy a movie that brought back the chemistry between two great characters via a moderately creepy X-Files type mystery. Sorry you didn't enjoy it more.
Also, I agree with lex romero, we need a Rousseau flashback. by Shermdawg	Jul 26th, 2008 08:52:51 PM
Ya can't build up a character like that for four seasons and just kill her off with no payoff. If there is none, it'll be a Almeida-sized mistake. (And even 24 had sense enough to correct that...supposedly.)
But max, hitting the reset switch is lazy. by Shermdawg	Jul 26th, 2008 08:59:38 PM
Those changes might have been needed for this particular story...but this story wasn't needed.
Xfiles 2...more please by j2talk	Jul 26th, 2008 09:00:48 PM
on the subject X files....To The Powers That Be -please sir, may I have another?!?!?!?!?
definitely faraday. by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 26th, 2008 09:03:35 PM
pierre cheng: "this information comes from a soruce that ahs proven himself to be credible" faraday: "none of that matters. it doesnt matter. just get to it" credible because faraday comes from the future? Darlton was also asked a question about how Faraday knew about the secondary protocol, Lindelof answered that Faraday's notebook contains everything that he has ever done and will ever do, and it will become important in season 5. Implying that Faraday has traveled before, but because we are in a Minkowski,4-dimensional space where time is not constant, Faraday is not aware of this. (i.e. "if anything goes wrong, Desmond Hume is your constant). The only thing that puzzles me is why Faraday would try to change things in the first place, since he has said himself that "you can't change the future".
being needed... by maxwell's hammer	Jul 26th, 2008 09:26:10 PM
...i'll agree with you there. When it was announced, I thought it was a wierd thing to be coming out. The fact that it wasn't marketed as any kind of big event was also a little perplexing. But to me, it was kind of like digging in my longboxes and finding an old X-Men Annual i didn't realize I'd never read. The story was pretty uncessecary, but it was fun to delve into that world again with some new material. The movie does seem a little superfluous, but its there, so I watched it, and I enjoyed it.
Bat Manuel is the mastermind. by ZeroCorpse	Jul 26th, 2008 09:27:10 PM
That would explain everything!!! Oh, and also: "Lemon Legs".
My prediction on the statue by Buck_Turgidson	Jul 26th, 2008 09:32:32 PM
Alpert has a 4 toed foot and traveled far enough back in time so that the original residents looked upon him as a god. They made a statue of of him.
THANKS TAPDAWG!!!! by NJDirector	Jul 26th, 2008 09:33:09 PM
Yo. give credit where credit is due Hercules... the video is from TapDawg at DocArzt.com!!! And the comment about the redshirts was kinda a joke....
I can't wait till January/February.... by RokurGepta	Jul 26th, 2008 10:09:11 PM
.....
Chat about LOST by RokurGepta	Jul 26th, 2008 10:12:53 PM
there is a really cool chat room to chat about LOST. If you know what IRC is, this is the server irc.chat-solutions.org 6667 Room23 is the name of the room to join the room, once you've connected to the chat server type /join Room23 you can also access Room23 through the AICN chat feature... once the java applet has loaded just type /join Room23 type /nick [typenickhere] to change your chat nickname.... Hope to chat with you in Room23 SOOOOOOOOOOON
Faraday is on the RAFT . . . by ProzacMorris	Jul 26th, 2008 10:24:50 PM
and will be in a convenient position to pick up JIN, who you know managed to get off that ship somehow.
Two days BEFORE the day after tomorrow...? by The Crystal Skull	Jul 26th, 2008 11:39:15 PM
“Lost” may be done with the usual flashbacks and flashforwards.".... This is news?
Vincint Survives Until the End? by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 26th, 2008 11:57:22 PM

Heh..content here by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 26th, 2008 11:58:37 PM
i hope this isn't all a doggy dream.
best bit of the panel by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 27th, 2008 12:22:23 AM
Bob Stencil: between me and you, how does the show end? Cuse: it ends well we hope. we cant tell you that! Bob Stencil: [referring to the box of goodies] hey do you have a jin prize in there. i love jin. Lindelof: the alcohol or the character? Stencil: THERE'S A CHARACTER?
second best bit by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 27th, 2008 12:26:20 AM
[after being 'slapped in the face' for 'Ji Yeon' episode] Lindelof: a gift for you...for slapping us around...a dvd of Heroes. Thank you. It's a much better show than ours. Enjoy.
how about a flashup by ironic_name	Jul 27th, 2008 01:05:56 AM
and a rubdown?
batmanuel survived the joker - he can survive anything by ironic_name	Jul 27th, 2008 01:12:44 AM
thanks to maybelene all day mascara!
IAmMrMonkey! we did see vincent's life as a puppy by ironic_name	Jul 27th, 2008 01:13:42 AM

they already had flash-sideways by punto	Jul 27th, 2008 02:13:12 AM
remember the beginning of season 2?
STATUE by Dijjot	Jul 27th, 2008 03:39:46 AM
is of the cloverfield monsters mother
God I hate Lost by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 27th, 2008 04:12:14 AM
And the thing I hate most about is is the fact that it comes in for a startlingly free ride from fandom. Maybe all the haters have given up and left it to the fans who'll just watch any old poop as long as Jack, Kate & Sawyer in it. For instance I know of no other series that could have got away with Jacks lame excuse , taken up by everybody else within seconds, for not divulging the island to the world when they got off. For instance, we were supposed to buy that Jack and the rest of the O6 were then going to live their lives back home happily aware they'd left a load of people stranded back on the island. For instance, after escaping and , after seeing Ben's cheating, conninving ways for two years, Jack is now part of an elaborate plan to con everyone to go back to the island ? And where are the kidnapped children ???? What a load of toss.
2legged by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 27th, 2008 05:07:56 AM
it was more of a slow progression in Jack's arch in the hero's journey, he is slowly starting to believe in the supernatural, or, as Joseph Campbell would call it, acquiring his boon. But as we know, stubborn Jack still won't let go of his reason, so he goes along with the story that they need to protect the people on the island. Jack was turned when talking to Locke in front of the Orchid. While Locke did say that he has to lie to protect everyone, the underlying implication was that he must protect the island, as opposed to people on it. Jack's realization of this is the mark of his turn from a 'Jeremy Bentham' to a 'John Locke', as we see him fully transform when he finally agrees to deal with the Devil (Ben Linus). On the contrary, it is interesting to note that Locke's transition to Bentham is the opposite from Jack's. Instead of the one pragmatic, fighter of natural rights we had in season 1, we now have a man that holds a utilitarinism foreground, believing that the ends justify the means. Or, in your simple, layman's view, "what a load of toss".
ps by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 27th, 2008 05:08:19 AM
And the kidnapped children are with the others, as evident by zack and emma.
billy by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 27th, 2008 06:50:35 AM
So Jack is protecting the Island at the expense of the other oceanic passengers and the kidnapped children. And he is doing this because ? Oh wait, I know, thats a secret that we'll get an answer to later. And the rest of the O6 are going along with Jack because ?
If I'm right about 4-toe by rbrog77	Jul 27th, 2008 07:28:17 AM
then Richard may end up being Hermes or Apollo himself.
Someone needs to go back in time by Itchy	Jul 27th, 2008 08:39:43 AM
and talk to Goth Claire and tell her (a) don't ever change that look and (b) do lots of graphic internet porn.
On Top Of Farraday's Voice by BirdMnJr	Jul 27th, 2008 08:55:29 AM
I know the fact that it was Farraday's voice has been mentioned here but I think I saw something else. May have been mentioned too, but I'm too lazy to read this whole thing. So, did anyone else see the red hair sneak into frame on the left side at like 1:50. Charlotte is definitely there too. And that looks kind of like a dharma house. So I'm guessing that baby from the beginning is Aaron. I'm betting Dr. Marvin Candle will be making an appearance in season 5 to record this very video.
The Island is by Mockingbuddha	Jul 27th, 2008 10:18:05 AM
Atlantis. That weird sideways steering wheel that moves the island and the four toe statue make me think so.
2LeggedFreak by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 10:43:52 AM
We've just seen that people who come looking for the island intend to kill everyone on it. Jack knows those people are out there. That was such a huge plot from last season. How does anyone miss that?
Daniel... by phaedrus007	Jul 27th, 2008 10:52:03 AM
I think the implication is that the guys in the raft with him are dead EVENTUALLY... not already. That's why it's tied to the news about Vincent surviving to the end. I think the idea is they're telling us they're going to prune away all of the extraneous survivors by the time it's all over. I fuckin LOVE LOST.... I CANNOT WAIT!!!!
INWO by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 27th, 2008 10:52:08 AM
So bearing in mind that people are still looking for the island what makes the inhabitants safe by keeping quiet about it (and effectively sitting around doing nothing about it). What also protects the Oceanic passengers still on the island from the violent attacks of the "others". Again it comes down to the fact that the characters, to drive the ridiculously convoluted plot ,are still doing things no sane person would do.
Just a quick reminder by edshrinker	Jul 27th, 2008 11:27:11 AM
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Damn thing's a submerged spaceship by aboriginal	Jul 27th, 2008 11:36:27 AM
It's got to me now that it "moved' or translocated or whatever voodoo magic it did. Everyone brought to it are descendants of the culture that was on board eons ago and are being called back to return to the home world. This theory would explain much about its healing electromagnetic super energy, the smoke critter (left over security system) and the fact that it cannot be found. The earth on top developed island-like characteristics over tens of thousands of years. This thing may have even been part of a seeding program to drop "humans" into the eco system to kick start the planet and now they will want some samples back at some point to study and/or re-seed other planets. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. See ya after 2010.
i bet it's going back to JUST flashbacks!!! by BurgerKing	Jul 27th, 2008 12:18:51 PM
I'm guessing that when we start, the O6 will be leaving back for the island, and the season will continue with everyone on the island, the flashbacks showing both what happened on the island after the O6 left, and how the O6 got rounded up to return.
"you have four flashbacks, 2 flash forwards, and a..flashSIDEWAY by ArcadianDS	Jul 27th, 2008 12:20:02 PM
and then Chevy Chase threw the manuscript in the fireplace.
"Done?" by keanho_in_nyc	Jul 27th, 2008 12:29:31 PM
Does "done" with the flashbacks and flashforwards mean "The show is FINISHED with using those techniques, and will not use them anymore" or "The show will be EXECUTED/PERFORMED by using those techniques, as we are used to seeing?"
Shermdawg X files was a huge flop by ACE NY	Jul 27th, 2008 12:56:33 PM
"I'm hearing it brought in something in the low twenties this weekend" Nikki Finke says 10m and she's usually spot on.
X-Files 2 only made 10, 200,000 this weekend. by Boomers_Lips	Jul 27th, 2008 01:42:42 PM
YIKES! i keep hearing from diehard X-F fans that the movie will EVENTUALLY make back its 30mill budget back. which i suppose is the ONLY good news about this whole flop.
ooooh a crashed alien spaceship theory... by RokurGepta	Jul 27th, 2008 02:04:06 PM
I like it.....maybe that can have will robinson guest star....
Batmanuel does not wear eyeliner.... by Han Cholo	Jul 27th, 2008 02:35:57 PM
I used to think that but if you look closely, his lower eyelashes are just really thick so as to give the impression of eyeliner. Regardless, I think it's great that he's getting some good roles, especially for a latino guy which is something that was taboo in hollywood unless you were playing a gangster.
Han Cholo by RokurGepta	Jul 27th, 2008 03:08:25 PM
umm... All Actors wear make up... its a FACT..... and I guarntee you a lot if not most of them wear eyeliner too.
aboriginal by spud mcspud	Jul 27th, 2008 03:16:29 PM
So basically you subscribe to the DARK CITY theory? Stranger things have happened - and that would be a halfway decent ending, I think... At this point, nothing would surprise me. I'm torn between thinking it's a work of genius, dying ot know what's happening and just wishing please god get it fucking finished already! Yep, I'm impatient.
2legged by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 27th, 2008 04:00:21 PM
I already answered your question. Read it again (has to do with dueling ideologies- both inherent within Locke and Jack). That is, as I should make clear, is the more epistemological answer. If you want to get to the brass-tacks, CSI explanation, it is simple: Keamy and Widmore will be back. As Ben explained, 5000 people went out to Florida to see a piece of mold that looked like the Virgin Mary, how many people do you think will come out to see John Locke? It's extremely simple. They are trying to protect the island from exploitation, and Jack does not want to admit that he is doing that- he is using the rouse of his "friends" to rationalize protecting a metaphysical idea (this has been a prevalent theme since the show's conception). Another of the show's themes is the whole idea of Plato's philosopher kings (i.e. Jack). The whole show's premise is dividied by two struggling ideologies (science v. faith), and this was blatantly clear in the season premier of season 4. Those who follow Jack will follow him to the very end. In its most postmodern move to date, Jack (in the finale) is seen as weak, frail and indecisive, and EVERYONE (with maybe the exception of Kate) has intentions of going back to the island. The characters and the narrative on the show have already addressed one of oyur criticisms, which is why would the 06 do that? They're slowly repenting, and they all want to return. And for the Others, I think the rest of the castaways will feel safe after 1. Blowing up 10 of their people. 2. Capturing their leader. 3. And after making a deal with Alpert to free Ben, I think there is a unwritten pact between the camp now (i.e. a more hostile threat has brought them togehter). Anymore clarification of this 'convoluted' plot?
if more people know of the island by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 05:32:56 PM
and their connection to it, the oceanic six might still be in danger. Certainly just the idea of Aaron would make him a target. A baby born on the island would not be left alone by the crazy cult of people obsessed with the island. I tend to think Jack could reason that he is protecting people on and off the island. Besides that, the story is fantastical and implicates most of the survivors in multiple murders if they could get anyone to beleive them. They could all wind up in jail or in a nuthouse like Hurley.
Billy by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 27th, 2008 05:35:31 PM
Thanks for your response, at least I now get that this show is for philosophy majors and not dimwits like me. Good luck with the rest of it. Makes you wonder though, since I am not by any means the thickest person in my street, how the heck they are targetting such intellectual concepts at a main stream audience. And people say TV nowadays is dumbing down !!! I can't say I can understand half of what you have conceptionalised here but I have to say its scary how little common sense and philosophy have in common isn't it ? Still as long as clever folk like you know what's going on I can concentrate on the simpler things in life. Thanks again.
RokurGepta by Han Cholo	Jul 27th, 2008 05:35:50 PM
I didn't say they don't wear makeup. I was saying he doesn't wear eyeliner because it looks like he does on account of his thick eyelashes. Who knows?
Hi, I just got off a magic island by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 05:41:49 PM
Yes, I have no proof, and couldn't possibly help you find that island. I know you found my plane and all the passengers dead, but they actually didn't die. That was a fake plale crash to make it LOOK like we were dead...yes, I did say magic. What is so strange about that? There was this guy who couldn't walk and then when he got to the island he COULD walk again. No, he decided to stay there because he loves it there,, so obviously I have no proof about him either. Yes there is a monster on the island, it is made out of smoke and chases people. It killed the pilot. Then for a while we found this hatch in the ground and we had to push a bunch of buttons or the world would get blown up. Then we stopped pushing the button and the sky turned colors. Did the sky turn colors out here? No? Okay, well it must have only happened on the magical island. Oh, there is also another island across from our island. You probably won't be able to find that one either, even though the whole world has been mapped. What do you mean you think I'm crazy??? I haven't even gotten to the part where they kept us in polar bear cages and blackmailed me to perform spine surgery!
INWO by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 27th, 2008 05:51:32 PM
You're right, when you put it like that it all does sound like far-fetched ridiculous nonsense doesn't it ?
ACE NY, yep. by Shermdawg	Jul 27th, 2008 08:30:44 PM
Never quote Fox News on the internet. :(
"he's getting some good roles, especially for a latino" by ArcadianDS	Jul 27th, 2008 08:52:23 PM
Latinos only get roles as gangsters? what century are you posting from? Is Marvin Candle with you?
They don't need to flash forward anymore. by Novaman5000	Jul 27th, 2008 09:22:50 PM
The future is now, bitches! We've hit the point where the past meets the future, and now we will just cut back and forth between the island and the oceanic 6. Flashbacks may still be used to give us some relevant information, though. I'd imagine we'll see them again in Season 6.
2LeggedFreak by Executor	Jul 27th, 2008 09:23:42 PM
Plus, in case you missed it there, kiddo, while your eyes were tearing up in anger over how the writers of Lost can't do anything as brilliantly as you would...THE ISLAND FUCKING DISAPPEARED!!!!!!!! Kinda difficult sending a rescue team to an island that isn't there.
Theory by EyeofPolyphemus	Jul 27th, 2008 09:28:51 PM
We already have no idea when events are taking place. how soon does sun strike up her deal with Widmore, when did Sayid rescue Hurley, etc. that said, it would be cool id moving the island exposed everyone to electromagnetism and they are bouncing through time like Desmond. Such a thing would explain how Pierre knows about the DHARMA Initiative's purge thirty years into the future.
I had a friend at the panel and she said by Novaman5000	Jul 27th, 2008 09:42:54 PM
That they confirmed we'll be seeing more of Danielle next year. Thank god cuz that bitch needs a flashback. (It would be ok to see her in a vision, too, but we need closure!)
I'd also like them to talk about by Novaman5000	Jul 27th, 2008 09:56:48 PM
What the initiative was doing (i.e. valenzetti equation) and the numbers broadcast, etc. I know experience touched on this but I think it's important that the show answers the questions itself, too. Pierre's plea on that video suggests that Dharma was indeed trying to save the world from it's imminent demise. What else could be so important?
The riddle of John Holmes' 3rd leg! by Cletus Van Damme	Jul 27th, 2008 11:17:34 PM
Solve it at your own risk!
Libby a time-traveler? by DocManhattan	Jul 28th, 2008 01:10:48 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we see that next season.
2legged. again. maybe for the last time. i hope. by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 28th, 2008 05:14:33 AM
There's nothing more pompous than calling someone pompous. I'm not a philosophy major, i was actually a double major and bio and film (weird, i know. i get shit all the time). So I am, by no means, an expert on simple philosophical concepts, and to be honest, most of it comes from outside reading inspired by the show itself. Even so, these were concepts we learned in high school (i.e. natural rights, social contract, utilitariniasm). If they're naming their characters after these philosophers, theyre doing it for a reason; etymologies in this show go a long way. Moreover, I'm not an english major, but you just turned our discussion into an ad hominem attack. It's the first sign of failure when you start attacking your opponent's methods instead of focusing on the subject at hand. What you are asking is for an explanation of what you think are irrational decisions. Instead of taking into account the proposed explanation, you simply disregard it, because, quite frankly, you have already made up your mind on this matter. Despite the things I say (and others on this board ostensibly agree), you will never change your mind, which is a shame.
Ann Arbor, Michigan by TheJake	Jul 28th, 2008 09:26:31 AM
My home and birthplace.
So they can change the past by CherryValance	Jul 28th, 2008 10:30:03 AM
People kept saying that Darlton said there wouldn't be any of that. But the way the show was headed with Ben and the frozen donkey wheel it seemed like it had to be that way. So I'll reiterate my guess. They're going to go back and fix it so that Flight 815 does not crash. That will be the end of LOST and all our friendly losties who died will be restored and they'll all just land in LA never having met each other. tear
Shia "The Beef" by fishpillow	Jul 28th, 2008 10:35:32 AM
just got a DUI!!! Bwa-HA HA HA HA
The show has taken the stance that you can't change the past by Novaman5000	Jul 28th, 2008 11:13:13 AM
Was that woman lying? Everything we've seen so far suggests she wasn't...
the foot is a giant homer simpson by Datascream	Jul 28th, 2008 12:35:26 PM
The simpsons are the gods of the Lost island! I knew it!
Billy by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 28th, 2008 01:34:58 PM
You're right about the first signs of failure and so I would point you to the last sentence of your very first response to me Anyway let's leave it there should we. We both have different stand points on the show and neither of us will change each others views because we are a million miles away from each other. C'est la vie !!
Executor by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 28th, 2008 03:04:30 PM
Didn't say I could do better, but then its not my job to do better its the writers. Ah yes the Island has disappeared, I did miss that bit. Jack must have as well because he thinks they have to keep quiet in case somebody goes looking for it. Wonder how he expects that anybody else is going to find your magic island.
2legged by billypilgrimisunstuck	Jul 28th, 2008 04:31:49 PM
I find that the sentence you refer to is in more of a sardonic tone to point out the obvious irony in your statements. My whole argument was constructed to address your questions, rather than attacking you and calling you a name, much like what most people do on this board. But yes, i agree though, agree to disagree. youre still wrong though (just being cheeky, mate!)
Actually, if Jack didn't keep quiet... by Executor	Jul 29th, 2008 02:23:05 AM
...he would be the SECOND biggest moron alive. 2leggedfreak has Number One locked for life.
I don't have time to watch all the shows I like... by Executor	Jul 29th, 2008 02:26:40 AM
...how in the world do some people have time to watch shows they HATE?? Boggles the mind. Ahhhh the sad little life of a troll.
billypilgrim by Maniaq	Jul 29th, 2008 07:13:54 AM
read much Vonnegut then? (that's a rhetorical question btw) - I wonder if my 12 Monkeys theory from season 3 might actually come true?? You can't CHANGE the past (or the future) but you can go back and take another look - see if you missed anything useful (as Bruce Willis explains in the cinema) - like when you rewatch a film (or episode of Lost!) - nothing has changed except YOU... (unless that film happens to be STAR WARS, in which case GL has changed it repeatedly and calls it something else now)
That proposed ending sounds right by ArcadianDS	Jul 29th, 2008 01:11:45 PM
with them resetting time and not having the plane crash. Personally, Im still stumped by the fact that an airplane broke in half mid-flight, and more than ONE person managed to somehow survive it. From all accounts, almost everyone survived. Think about it: jumbojet with fuel enough to cross the ocean breaks in half, and then just sort of drifts down to earth like an autumn leaf, gently depositing its passengers on Fantasy Island. There's something more we dont know yet. For one, I dont think there was a plane crash at all. I think that the 'survivors' are actually out-of-time Dharma personnel who were shipped to the future to escape The Purge, but in order to get them back on the Island, they needed to have them all book the same flight, then pretend that flight vanished. Truth is, there was no flight. They go from the airport to a transport, get dropped off, get a valium and a "when i count to three you will remember nothing" session with Dr Sidney from MAS*H, and voila - the series premier starts NOW... something like that.
also by ArcadianDS	Jul 29th, 2008 01:13:43 PM
the chicken on the bus was a baby, and it makes Doctor Jack go nuts. And Locke goes deaf. Christian and Locke spell out "goodbye" in coconuts as Lapidus choppers the last of the castaways to safety.
Executor by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 29th, 2008 02:40:18 PM
I'm confused as to why Jack would be a moron for not keeping quiet about the island ?
Ahoko by 2LeggedFreak	Jul 30th, 2008 02:12:58 PM
Well my problem is that there is just one option being considered here. There was Jack on the Raft saying that the people who came looking for the Island would kill everybody on it. The crashed plane is indicative of their power so they need to keep quiet to protect everyone. Hopefully my dim brain has put that argument correctly. Now in a normal environment perhaps the other raftees may ask other questions like: How do we know if we keep quiet that these big bads won't find the island anyway and and kill everybody ? They've found it once after all. As a group then are we happy to say that we are leaving the rest of the castaways to rot on this island because this is the safest option for them. Won't the people who crashed the fake plane feel that they are in a bit of an embarrassing position when we turn up alive and want to do something about it anyway ? Yes but how would we ever convince anybody that this is true. Well here's Desmond he might help. Here's Penny she might also lend some weight to the story. Here's copter pilot guy he could help. Being able to talk intimately about passengers on the plane journey that you ostensibly were only on for a few hours might help. Getting a blood test to show that baby Aaron is Claires and therefore was born after she got on the plane might. Doesn't Jack have a surgery scar that might take some explaining as well? Might mentioning the Dharma initiative pique somebodies interest. Of course, like the simple expedient of asking Juliet what the hell was going on, none of these relatively straightforward questions are asked because they don't help move the plot in "wow wouldn't it be cool if" mode that the writers are locked in. 2LeggedFruitcake out.

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