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Quint watches the new WATCHMEN footage at Comic-Con!

First by Wolfman57	Jul 25th, 2008 03:59:46 PM
First, bitches.
Awesome by rogueleader66	Jul 25th, 2008 03:59:53 PM
Cant wait to see this
3rd cool by TheDudeintheShadows	Jul 25th, 2008 04:01:40 PM
i cant wait for this fucking movie. im more excited for this than dark knight.
300 was a winner.. by kbass	Jul 25th, 2008 04:04:27 PM
So I'm hoping lightning strikes twice with Snyder. We already know the source material is excellent, so as long as he doesn't get in the way it should be a good film.
Can we all agree this is THE film of next year by IndustryKiller!	Jul 25th, 2008 04:04:29 PM
No other big budget film even comes within striking distance of this. it's more or less guaranteed that GI Joe is going to be terrible and so far this looks utterly breathtaking. The trailer was brilliant.
and godamn is malin hot by TheDudeintheShadows	Jul 25th, 2008 04:04:38 PM
jesus christ shes smokin. if only jesus were real....
29th, Bitches! by Pawprint	Jul 25th, 2008 04:05:05 PM

I am still very sceptical about this... by The Eskimo	Jul 25th, 2008 04:08:52 PM
God I hope it turns out to be a great movie but this would be a damn hard story to due justice on the big screen.
Malin Acerman's cleavage induces cum by Super Rabbi	Jul 25th, 2008 04:11:06 PM
she is one hot bitch
I really hope it's going to be good by Tacom	Jul 25th, 2008 04:11:30 PM
WATCHMEN blew my mind when I first read it as a teenager. Also, Malin is FINE.
I believe in Harvey...er...Zack Snyder by Mel Gibsteinberg	Jul 25th, 2008 04:11:35 PM
This thing has so much potential. I won't be so crazed as to say "it will pwn all y'all bitchess, WAHHOOO!" But I do think every indication is that this will be good. We will all hear the report from Butt Numb-A-Thon 9 at the end of this year, or wait, are they on BNAT 10?
Most antecipated movie of 2009 by RedHHades	Jul 25th, 2008 04:12:17 PM
The teaser is fantastic. The story is good and Snyder knows how to juicy the visuals. He would have to make more effort to make a bad movie than a good one.
Quint by The Eskimo	Jul 25th, 2008 04:17:59 PM
I realize you said there was no audio....but was there any info, speculation, remor-mill etc about the soundtrack...whether it'll be original or licensed?
SLOOOOOWWW MOOOOWWWWW by CharyouTree	Jul 25th, 2008 04:18:05 PM
Never read the comic but so what, this looks like an ok romp at best, ill give it a try maybe but damn, that Snyder turd has a hard on for slo-mo. o and AVATAR will be the movie of next year, decade, century and quite possibly the whole history of cinema.
Malin Ackerman by Playhouse	Jul 25th, 2008 04:19:11 PM
Just doesn't do anything for me. Carla Gugino is a helluvalot hotter than her.
Veidt by frongbak	Jul 25th, 2008 04:22:54 PM
Veidt did kinda strike me as a Homosexual Nazi or at least someone utterly uninterested in sex and Self-Absorbed to the point of Fascism. I think Matt Goode is a great choice for the role and in general I like the way the cast is not overly recognizable and free from off-screen personas. 300 and Dawn of the Dead used no-name actors similarly to great effect.
Malin Akerman by kwisatzhaderach	Jul 25th, 2008 04:23:16 PM
Damn
quint by ddog	Jul 25th, 2008 04:25:13 PM
ah you luck man ! didnt get to get in to the watchmen screening today too packed.. hey saw a commercial today for the wackness and your review was on the ad ono tv for the film!!!
This will be the first film shot entirely in slow motion. by rev_skarekroe	Jul 25th, 2008 04:28:20 PM
Sounds like a hit.
300 was that year's best film by BMacSmith	Jul 25th, 2008 04:30:51 PM
suck on that. suck it hard.
Hooray for the Security Guard! by cookylamoo	Jul 25th, 2008 04:30:51 PM
At least someone treats the press like the scum they are.
Gay Nazi? by m_reporter	Jul 25th, 2008 04:34:42 PM
If you're referring to the info in the interview Goode gave to AICN recently, then you will notice that he said he made it up to help him flesh out his character for himself. Doesn't mean we'll see him use a German accent and tongue wrestle Nite Owl. One smart actor said that "theres a whole lifetime before the 1st page of a script for every character" and I believe that was what he was referring to when he gave that interview. Anyway, I still can't show much excitement for this project, but still hope Snyder pulls it off.
Please correct the following... by es4	Jul 25th, 2008 04:38:45 PM
I believe what you meant to say was "the guy from CHUD almost punched the security guard... on his computer 5 hours after the presentation was over and he was safe inside his hotel"
first film shot entirely in slow motion... by AnakinsDiapers	Jul 25th, 2008 04:41:45 PM
..wasn't that warriors of virtue?
Snyder is extremely talented... by cifra	Jul 25th, 2008 04:42:08 PM
300 was a bit of a letdown but Dawn of the Dead is one of the most underrated movies of the new millenium... a simply perfect rollercoaster of a movie.
What's an "Ackerman"?? by TheNorthlander	Jul 25th, 2008 04:43:31 PM
It's Åkerman. Say after me please.
The Junior Watchman by symon	Jul 25th, 2008 04:47:17 PM
I liked 300, but just about everyone in this movie looks at least 10 years too young for the parts they're playing, Nite Owl especially (and he needs to add about 50 pounds). Not big on the rubber costumes, either, but it's the ages that have me worried...
Uh-oh by Brian888	Jul 25th, 2008 04:51:57 PM
"We see a medium shot of Nite Owl leaning in to kiss Silk Spectre as a nuclear warhead falls to the earth. It pushes in closer and closer as their lips almost touch. The instant they kiss the warhead falls, which we see between them. Then it cuts out to them kissing as a mushroom cloud rises in the distance, the concussion wave rushing towards the two. Damn nice." This...this isn't in the GN. Not even close. Now I'm a little worried.
300 was crap... by m_reporter	Jul 25th, 2008 04:54:54 PM
... as a movie, no matter what the source material was like. The trailers where, just like the 1st watchmen trailer, awesome! Slow-mo, action based, with a good song in the background.... That kinda made me worry even more for The Watchmen.
Brian by m_reporter	Jul 25th, 2008 04:59:07 PM
It is actually, it's a dream Dreiberg has.
The chapter with Dr. Manhattan and Laurie on Mars by Tacom	Jul 25th, 2008 04:59:07 PM
is probably the best written issue of a comic book I've ever read. Just beautiful. They better do justice to it in the film.
the ending by blue_harlequin	Jul 25th, 2008 05:15:27 PM
Man, if they've changed the Alien Squid-Thing ending to some BS nuclear thing, it's gonna suck. The sheer insanity of the villian's master plan is what takes the book from quite good to freakin' classic.
Nuclear bombs? by macheesmo3	Jul 25th, 2008 05:18:19 PM

Nuclear Bombs ? by macheesmo3	Jul 25th, 2008 05:19:49 PM
This sounds suspicious and tiring at best . Unless soemhow they gave it a downer ending with the world destroying itself via massive nuclear warfare . That might be interesting.... it really thwarts the motives and themes of the comic tho....
Security guard by Sword of Damocles	Jul 25th, 2008 05:20:33 PM
Somebody should've slipped the guy 10 bucks to pop that tool Devin in the mouth. He needs it.
macheesmo3 by butcher71	Jul 25th, 2008 05:23:33 PM
SPOILER The nukes are probably from Nite Owl's dream, where he unzips his skin to himself to reveal the Nite Owl outfit, he kisses Silk Spectre and there's an explosion.
NO SQUID, NO PEACE! by Le Vicious Fishus	Jul 25th, 2008 05:41:11 PM
Know Squid, Know Peace.
bacci40 by m_reporter	Jul 25th, 2008 05:41:38 PM
The fact that you put your opinion above other peoples, and state your word as final makes you a cocksucker. Besides, your theory of bringing a comic fully to the screen (whatever you mean by that) is kinda stupid, cause as far as I know Snyder changed a lot of stuff from the book.
macheesmo3 by kungfuhustler84	Jul 25th, 2008 05:43:08 PM
read the book and get back to us asshole. You clearly are forgetting a pretty memorable scene, as others have already reminded you.
what's with everybody and Avatar? by kungfuhustler84	Jul 25th, 2008 05:53:01 PM
We know next to nothing about the movie, except for general plot and character details and that it's an alien story. Oh and one unique, albeit incredibly vague trailer. I am excited for it, and glad Cameron is taking his sweet time to get it just right, but I can't really compare anything to Watchmen because there isn't really much to compare. Watchmen is definitely my most anticipated film of 2009. Maybe when I finally have a fucking clue what the hell is happening with Avatar I can get more excited. And all you other equally ignorant movie lovers maybe need to calm down with the Avatar love. Do you even know what any of the characters LOOK like? Sheesh.
Evidence that the SQUID is IN by Le Vicious Fishus	Jul 25th, 2008 06:04:53 PM
The latest EW article cited above offhandedly claimed the climax of the movie had changed. I doubt that and think the reporter was relying on baseless rumors. See the following article: From http://tinyurl.com/6ye3f3 ...in a November 2007 Starlog Magazine interview, Zack Snyder uttered the now infamous quote, “I’m absolutely keeping the graphic novel’s ending.” Squid’s in, right? How could Zack be any clearer? Hold on. Just a week later, on this site’s exclusive Zack Snyder fan Q&A, Snyder mentioned in one of his answers that in the film he would show that Dr. Manhattan was working on creating “world universal energy” technology. Something that was not in the original book, but in an early script draft where the squid was taken out and replaced with a completely different ending. So, squid’s out, right? Well, hold onto your smiley badges. We got another piece of news that seemed to confirm our tentacled friend made the cut in February of 2008 when it was reported that Neville Page, the lead creature designer for the film Cloverfield, was hired to work on the Watchmen film. That's what this guy does — design big scary monsters for movies, just like our squid pal! Why sign him up if the squid wasn’t in? I mean, it’s the only creature in Watchmen! Cross-eyed yet? No? Well, in the spring of 2008, two individuals who worked as extras on the film shared secondhand information, from individuals they said were reliable sources, that definitively confirmed to them that, “the squid is in.” Then, just the other day in another Matthew Goode interview, the actor stated, “fans of the story will be very pleased with this adaptation.” Whoa. A far cry from the October 2007 interview where he more or less said, as the ending stood then, fans would not be happy at all.
No offense, Quint... by innominatus	Jul 25th, 2008 06:08:58 PM
...but the "kissing under a mushroom cloud" bit is not a spoiler, dumbass -- it's from Dreiberg's (Nite Owl's) dream sequence before he and Laurie go rescue the people in the apartment building that's on fire...
But Just In Case: SAVE THE SQUID (SPOILERS) by Le Vicious Fishus	Jul 25th, 2008 06:09:59 PM
to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"... Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare Your headache, it's Squid inside you Make a promise to the fans Save the Squid, now is the time to Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare Lovecraftian Squid will pop in NYC with psychic screams Plant a horror for the future For the death of millions will save everything Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give our world a scare
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE by phaedrus007	Jul 25th, 2008 06:25:00 PM

TONS of SDCC panel videos are up at mahalodaily.com by ckane123	Jul 25th, 2008 06:28:16 PM
Thank me for going to my website, josephdickerson.com...
The nuclear warhead dropping..... by HugePrawn	Jul 25th, 2008 06:39:20 PM
...is a dream that Dan has. Not really spolier worthy.
squid isnt "1 scene" by aestheticity	Jul 25th, 2008 06:44:57 PM
its the ending. if it doesnt end with the squid, then something majors got to be created from bullshit scratch to even have the movie make sense by the end. new york has to die, there has to be a percieved world-ending global threat to unite the nations of earth from the brink of nuclear war, and it has to be orchestrated by ozymandias. and its got to involve a solid reason why doc manhattan doesnt just magic it away. i cant think of ANY reason to change the squid other than they dont think itll go over well with the audience, which isnt a great reason. kinda compromising of the artistic front. also the nuke scene isnt a change dumbasses. its a dream night owl has when he falls asleep after failing to get it up the first time with silk spectre. having said which - why bother keeping that in but changing the squid?
bacci40 by quicksilver80	Jul 25th, 2008 06:58:04 PM
LOL you made my day....I also liked 300
6 new posters by Viniciuso	Jul 25th, 2008 07:04:35 PM
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Thanks Viniciuso!!! by 3D-Man	Jul 25th, 2008 07:18:34 PM
Those posters are freakin' SWEET!!!!
I was attendance at this panel... by Saracen1	Jul 25th, 2008 07:59:24 PM
the 6 hour wait for the panel was worth it. The new footage looks fantaastic. I'm so fucking excited..
KUNGFUHUSTLEBUM by CharyouTree	Jul 25th, 2008 08:11:25 PM
go and do a little google for avatar related news and youll see why its gonna shit all over this 8fps shite, Cameron has invented a new fuckin camera and way of viewing and making a movie for Avatar, the treatment/script can be found online so can concept art and various interviews about the technology so alot of fans know whats going on. Come Dec 2009 James Cameron will again be KING OF THE FUCKIN WORLD
Doc Manhattan = Squid by zeeb	Jul 25th, 2008 08:26:17 PM
To be taken with grain of salt: Instead of the faux alien squid monster, Ozzie kills half of New York with a faked Doc Manhattan-style attack (blue energy beams, I guess). Fake Doc Manhattan threatens to kill the rest of the planet if they don't make nice. Peace ensues. To be honest, that version -- if true -- could be good. And you could leave out the artists-on-the-island subplot out, which would probably have played too weird in a movie. It kind of played a bit too weird in the book, and I love the book.
By the way... by zeeb	Jul 25th, 2008 08:27:12 PM
That was a rumor I heard, just to be clear.
squid ending by rookie116	Jul 25th, 2008 08:58:30 PM
Cloverfield 2?
squid ending by rookie116	Jul 25th, 2008 08:58:40 PM
Cloverfield 2?
Save Us Rorscharch! NO! by The Marquis de Side 3	Jul 25th, 2008 09:24:52 PM
cannot wait for this film =0)
It great by Mockingbuddha	Jul 25th, 2008 09:33:50 PM
to see so many people on this site proclaiming the the movie ain't without the squid. And telling folks that the kissing and nuke is Nite Owls dream after he fails to consummate with SS. However, because of this, I really have nothing to add. Except my vote. GIANT SQUID!!!!!!!
I meant by Mockingbuddha	Jul 25th, 2008 09:35:28 PM
to say "ain't The Watchmen without the squid".
Damn straight, Mocka. by MetalMickey	Jul 25th, 2008 09:44:28 PM

Caught Malin in a bad pose- by halberd	Jul 25th, 2008 09:51:21 PM
She was probably in mid-laughter or something but the pic in this post caught a bit of some rooster action under the chin. Doesn't matter... she's pretty smokin' and we know that. Either way I am COMPLETELY READY for MILLER/SNYDER'S WATCHMEN.
Ain't It Watchmen News by DocManhattan	Jul 25th, 2008 10:03:24 PM
My only real reservation is that the actors seem too young for their characters, with the exception of Rorschach.
Wow, they all showed up..? by Aeghast	Jul 25th, 2008 10:06:23 PM
How cool is that!
I was at the Comic-Con Panel Too by grievenom	Jul 25th, 2008 10:50:59 PM
The footage they showed looked awesome. I felt the Q&A was a bit of a letdown because the moderator didn't facilitate great questions, and the fans' questions were on the lame side. But I was impressed the whole cast and Dave Gibbons showed up, in addition to Zack. In the end, I was very happy with the panel, because while I don't know anything about Avatar, based on the footage they showed, this will be the "IT" movie of next year. I can't think of anything else that will approach it.
NOTE TO WARNER BROS by grievenom	Jul 25th, 2008 10:53:14 PM
Let Zack keep the movie at 2 hrs 45 mins to 3 hrs. Don't make him cut it up and gyp us of the masterpiece it can be!
Charyou Tree by kungfuhustler84	Jul 25th, 2008 11:30:21 PM
Oh I know all that. I just wish I knew more. I still can't find the script either. But I love James Cameron's work and I am looking forward to it. Believe me, I am excited, but since Watchmen has both an earlier release date, and a trailer with real definitive footage of the film, I am just much more ready for THAT one to come out right now. Great TB name, by the way.
Und Vun... More... Time! by Le Vicious Fishus	Jul 26th, 2008 12:14:41 AM
to the tune of John Denver's "Plant a Tree"... Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare Your headache, it's Squid inside you Make a promise to the fans Save the Squid, now is the time to Recognize the Squid for all that it is worth Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare Lovecraftian Squid will pop in NYC with psychic screams Plant a horror for the future For the death of millions will save everything Save the Squid for the Watchmen Only Squid can clear the air Save the Squid, Squid for America Save the Squid, Snyder, to give the world a scare!
I just reread the comic again by jackofhearts29	Jul 26th, 2008 12:52:28 AM
... like lots of us have done since the promo and I was really struck anew by how well we identify with Rorschach. I mean, he's a loser, yet a badass; he's a head case and street crank who believes he's the only person who is truly moral and deserves to live (basically); he's an ugly, vulgar pug-nosed kid... yet you love him and wanna keep him as a little pet, and you wanna be his friend. You identify with him through the narration to the extent that you let the sickness slide (or else you get off on it) It's a brilliant characterization, possibly the best in any superhero comic ever, and rivaling any character in film as well - I'm thinking De Niro in Taxi Driver of course as the archetype, but Rorschach just kicks all their asses. He is an all-time GREAT character and there's a good reason Moore built his story around him.
Carla Gugino by Rupee88	Jul 26th, 2008 01:46:01 AM
goddamn she is hot. I was watching some of the vids on youtube from the panel and she's so articulate and artsy as well as just smoking. Yes it's lame to get wood over movie stars, but just keeping it real.
And the squid is preferred but not necessary by Rupee88	Jul 26th, 2008 01:49:44 AM
I agree that the whole subplot of the people on the island was convoluted and a bit of of place even in the book. I don't know how you can do this in shorthand in the film, and if you trying to choose 3 hrs of material from the book, I don't think you waste 20 min on the island stuff. So if they have to cut it, it will suck but I will understand.
The whole point SPOLIERS GALORE by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:42:49 AM
I can see why they want to go with the fake Doctor Manhattan but the whole point of the ending is for something, not from this world, to all of the sudden pose this huge threat. They do this by killing a massive number of people to prove a point and if it's just Doc Manhattan saying come together or I'll destroy you, it just doesn't have the same weight to it. Plus if this is the case then the other rumor of Nite Owl killing Veidt at the end would be totally unwarranted. Also they would only need to spend a few minutes on the Squid subplot. Not 20 minutes, rupee88. Plus Rorschach's diary entry would have no weight to it either and so the big possibility of Veidt being caught would be ruined as well. Just stick to the ending. If they change the ending then they have to add a whole bunch of crap for it to make sense and why do that? Someone in these interviews, needs to ask Snyder if he fucked up the ending or not? Because that's what most fans care about.
The whole point by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:45:00 AM
The whole point of the Comedian being killed is because of the Squid so I don't see what direction they would go with that then, either.
Very Exciting but Squiddy & Veidt are huge worries by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 02:51:13 AM
The mechanism of destruction that is basically the comics grand guignol finale is NOT a minor quibbling detail. It simply isn't. Likewise the architect and planner of the entire scheme cannot be said to be a bit player. I've been fine with even the rumoured squiddy chages (up to a point) and thought the trailer was superb and by far the most exciting looking thing for next year, however when Goode started speaking of his own imaginary Nazi interpretation of Veidt the wheels started to seriously fall off this for me. Goode has a tough enough job as it is. He looks completely wrong for Ozy. He did from when the first pictures emerged. Too young and too slight for a Charles Atlas archetype as well as having the wrong costume. But I could look past all that if he was played as the character on the page. Instead Goode talked of his imaginary Nazi past and pushing a slight German accent into the film as it went on. That simply wasn't needed and turns the character into a pathetic stereotype Nazi badguy if it appears along with that costume. If people are now saying Goode was talking rubbish then I for one will cheer. But if you have a fey, dark, Nazi sounding Veidt AND no squiddy then you have ripped the heart out of the project. It's not the comic, the comic is still there and will always be there. It doesn't have to BE the comic slavishly but you can't pretend those two things are minor fan quibbles. The Watchmen Movie deserves to be seen on it's merits and needn't follow slavishly to be a great film. BUT If you can get Doc Manhattan & Rorschach right AND have the Mars sequence with the artifact but somehow completely miss the point about Veidt and replace squiddy with a sanitised low impact finale then don't be surprised that the fans you have tried to get on your side become skeptical and might think the worst. I'm still very excited by this. The Trailer works brilliantly. But I fear for the End mechanism and the whole character of the man who was the mastermind of the comics plot.
Wilson was a good casting choice by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 03:18:22 AM
Wilson will be great and at times the Nite Owl is a true superhero but ultimately he's the guy who could care less about the world and just doesn't want to be lonely. His role in Little Children brilliantly displayed a middle aged man going through a mid life crisis and thinking of what he could have been. In the same way Nite Owl has a certain sadness to him because he walked away from who he was. I always said Nite Owl is the Mr. Incredible of Watchmen but of course, it's the other way around.
KungFuHustler, you're missing the point about AVATAR... by Big Dumb Ape	Jul 26th, 2008 03:36:56 AM
You said (quote): "We know next to nothing about the movie except for general plot and character details and it's an alien story...but I can't really compare anything to Watchmen because there isn't much to compare. Watchmen is definitely my most anticipated film of 2009. Maybe when I finally have a fucking clue what the hell is happening with Avatar I can get more excited. And all you other equally ignorant movie lovers maybe need to calm down with the Avatar love. Do you even know what any of the characters LOOK like? Sheesh." Kung Fu, that's the WHOLE POINT of why we're so excited. Avatar will be a FRESH film experience unlike Watchmen where I can already tell from the teaser that Snyder is pulling another 300. He's being SO slavish towards the source material that he's literally filming panels right out of the book. Is that a nice effect that the diehard fans will appreciate? Sure. Do I think the WATCHMEN trailer looked good, like an A-level production? Sure, it looked nice. I'll be there opening weekend. It will be interesting to see how they condense 12 comics into a 2 hour movie and I'm sure it'll be worth 10 bucks and some extra cash spent on a large popcorn. But as a film fan, sorry, but I am waaaaaaaaaay more excited about seeing Cameron back in action, not to mention seeing the all-new camera technology and the next generation of 3D that he's going to debut upon the world. So what it comes down to is nice looking, well budgeted, faithful adaptation of a comic versus an all-new project with all-new characters that we haven't seen before, so it will feel truly fresh, that also breaks cinematic ground. So yeah, count me in the crowd that wants to SEE Watchmen, but is far more EXCITED about Avatar...
Be amusing if Snyder used the real Galle smiley crater on Mars by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 03:39:30 AM
For the glass artifacts final descent, destruction and zoom out.
Snyder has a plethora of real Mars imagery to use by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 03:43:42 AM
Not just the newer Galle piccies but Valles Marines and hopefully Olympus Mons.(Which could be a showstopper if done well.)
I like the IDEA of Avatar by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 03:47:26 AM
It's about time someone did an Aien planet correctly and no doubt Cameron has the chops to visually do it. But Titanic is one of the most over-rated films ever made. Period. King of the world my ass.
Avatar will probably have goofy aliens in it by Rupee88	Jul 26th, 2008 07:24:59 AM
Of course you'd be cray not to look forward to checking out a new James Cameron sci-fi 3D film, but he is not a brilliant writer and I'm not expecting too much beyond some great action sequences and some convoluted alien story..and hopefully some groundbreaking 3D. Watchmen however looks to be as fun to watch as Sin City was the first time...probably moreso. I'm looking forward to it more than Avatar for those reasons, but yes I'll still pay to see both on the big screen.
Crossover appeal by Chakaconair	Jul 26th, 2008 07:48:53 AM
As someone who is not a Watchmen fanboy and is not very familiar with the comic, I must say this movie looks really dumb and will not have the same crossover appeal as the Dark Knight. It looks like Mystery Men.
Watchmen Panel or how Warner Bros can't Count by morris90024	Jul 26th, 2008 08:00:39 AM
I saw the Watchmen panel at Comic-on with a bunch of my friends. It was okay, the teaser was pretty good, but our buddies at the WB can't seem to add. The place holds 6500 people, they printed 6500 tickets for swag redemption, but they didn't bring 6500 Watchmen t-shirts. We never got one. Sure, I'm whinning, but if you're going to do a good deal, do one for real, WB.
KUNGFUHUSTLE, BIG DUMB APE.. by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 08:46:31 AM
.. just said it all for me its new its fresh and original, Ive heard quotes from people saying that the technology step for AVATAR is like when they invented colour, quite the claim i know, but heres hoping.(At least u recognized my name, Thankee sai) And to the people who are saying Zacks da man for just copying the comics panels onto the big screen I always thought hacks copy genius' steal. And why would it have goofy aliens in it? did ABYSS. no. Is the ALIEN QUEEN goofy. no.
Who's stupid idea was it to have... by MetalMickey	Jul 26th, 2008 10:01:48 AM
..My Chemical Romance cover Dylan for the end credits?! Fucking disgusting.
Manhattan On Mars by MetalMickey	Jul 26th, 2008 10:15:50 AM
http://tinyurl.com/363 69g
I hope Snyder takes it easy with all the slow-mo shots. by Knuckleduster	Jul 26th, 2008 11:09:33 AM
Fuck, he's worse than John Woo.
"like when they invented color" The hype is amongst us by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 26th, 2008 11:19:47 AM
I swear to christ - nothing kills movies like Hype. Cameron's Eighth Wonder of the World is JUST A MOVIE. The more you convince yourself its something more, the more profoundly disappointed you will be. "It will replace the automobile" Steve Jobs (allegedly) on the Segway. "No more brick and mortar stores" Every douchebaq buying Cisco at 110 bucks a share in 1999. "Windows 95!!!" No comment. The sad reality is, that with the possible exception of your first bj, if you're lucky, nothing lives up to the hype.
Chakaconair by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 11:35:32 AM
I'm sure you posted what you said about Watchmen just to piss people off so please shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about. You're right, Watchmen does not have crossover appeal but why does every movie have to cater to a mainstream audience. It will not make tons of money because the film is simply not for everybody. If Snyder's tries to make it mainstream he's going to get blasted for it, by the fans and the movie will be shit because of it. Watchmen is Watchmen, it is not the Dark Knight. If all anyone cared about was money or mass appeal then we would be living in a completely fucked world. Fortunately, there is a few people who care about the art form, like true movie fans. Hopefully, Snyder shows fans he cares.
and screw Avatar by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 11:37:14 AM
I know nothing about the film except it's some alien story that boasts ground breaking technology. Watchmen is definitely the most anticipated film of 2009. Hands down. I know everyone loves Cameron but guess what. I just recently watched Aliens and it sucked.
JackRabbit by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 12:58:00 PM
Exactly as I said its quite a claim that its "like inventing colour" and we shall see, but as your regard to hype thats exactly whats happening to this movie, HYPE and like avatar its JUST A MOVIE and to be perfectly honest it dosent look crap but it dont look great, just like 300 which was just an ok movie. and ranma your a movie retard if you think "Aliens sucked"
by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 01:05:33 PM
think about this WATCHMEN posters will have "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF 300" AVATAR posters will have "FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TITANIC, ALIENS, TERMINATOR, ABYSS" errr which one will joe public go and decide to see however Its good to see all the fans backing what looks like a faithfull comic book adaptation.
I don't like trailers anymore by INWOsuxRED	Jul 26th, 2008 01:11:25 PM
The best trailer ever is still for Phantom Menace. You can't trust them, especially when you're looking at a plot and character driven movie like Watchmen. It doesn't matter how many snippets and whispers we hear about this, I don't think it is something that can be judged unless you see the whole thing in its entirety. I'm also guessing if you read or re-read the comic between now and the time the movie comes out, you will be dissapointed in the movie, no matter how good it is.
How DARE anyone doubt the Cameron. by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 02:16:47 PM
This guy is going to bring gold to the silver screen. I can't believe people are actually questioning this movie because Watchmen happens to be released in the same year. And people are jumping to conclusions? Without an ounce of Avatar visuals to wet our appetite? Watchmen will be sick, and so will Avatar.
to be honest by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:19:56 PM
The whole Marine Corps platoon of Aliens was pretty fucking annoying the whole way through. I couldn't stand that spanish chick and Bill Paxton was just so terrible. Sigourney Weaver is definitely great but Ridley Scott's original Alien is just so much better of a film. I know saying it sucked would piss most of you James Cameron fanboys off but I don't care. I don't know much about Cameron so I'll stop. What I do know is I didn't like Aliens . Calling someone a retard because they don't share your same thoughts on a film is pretty retarded if you ask me.
Avatar by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:20:49 PM
Avatar can have all the visuals in the world. It just better have a great story, as well.
Watchmen panel NICE and all... by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 02:21:02 PM
...but Quint, all this explication of what you saw is just kicking my curious ass. Post up those bootleg, cell phone vid clips already!
Also by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:24:49 PM
I've been revisitng films I have yet to see and I watched Alien and Aliens just last week. So, seeing a movie like that without the nostalgia factor, that I'm sure many of you possess towards this film, may play a role in my opinion being so different. I don't think the film was bad at all visually, I just thought most of it was downright cheesy. Man, I love Bill Paxton in Frailty and in True Lies (My favorite Cameron film) but he was just so horrible.
Ranma627 by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 02:27:16 PM
You can count on Jimbob Cameron doing his work on the story side of things. He runs through scriptment upon scriptment before something's perfect in his eyes. And he's written a boatload of his movies [Actually, more or less all of them... if not the writer then the screenwriter]. So if you liked the way he carries himself in penning such films like the Terminator, Titanic, True Lies, or Strange Days even, then prepare for nothing less than fun and, more importantly, memorable.
ok by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 02:34:11 PM
I like Terminator True Lies and Titanic. I still have to see Strange Days but what has he done lately? I know he's hard at work trying to reinvent cinema but this all boils down to what movie I anticipate more and no matter how good of a story or technology it is, do you believe the story will be anywhere near Watchmen? And as much as I enjoy some of Cameron's work, none of his movies are among my favorites of all time.
ranma... good points. by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 02:53:42 PM
He hasn't done anything in terms of big-budget flicks for the past decade and change, that's for sure. But he's kept his feet wet doing other things [trying to discover Jesus' tomb for one haha], and perhaps in his spare time brewing both Avatar and Battle Angel. James Cameron used to crank out something every 2-4 years, each turning out highly successful. Now given both time and money - it can only mean a great product. Watchmen has the advantage of having three people do two jobs [Snyder on directing, Hayter/Tse on screenplay] where Cameron is doing both, as usual. But on top of that Watchmen is a much more developed and 'finished' story, Frank Miller taking care of that years ago. Cameron is doing the job of making this work from scratch. I'm stoked to put it mildly.
This movie will suck giant monkey balls. by CurtKobain	Jul 26th, 2008 03:51:22 PM
Sorry to burst your fanboy bubble, but here goes. #1 - Watchmen is not adaptable as a movie in any recognizable way. Think abouyt it. #2 - It's going to do shit business. Who's interested in this? Comic book geeks like us. Who else? Nobody. The couple in their 50s next to me at Dark Knight laughed at Dr. Manhattan's appearance and called Nite-Owl a "cheap Batman ripoff". They reflect the mainstream moviegoer's response to this. $20 million opening, sub $60 million total. #3 - They will change things from the original comic, alienating you fools too. Result: bomb. Do yourselves a favor and ignore this. Watchmen is a good comic, terrible idea for a movie.
Watchmen is adaptable by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:07:45 PM
By the right people. I'm excited for this but I highly doubt it will end up being a good adaptation. Like I said before, Watchmen is not a product for the moviegoing public and who cares. Snyder and company tricked Warner Bros. into backing their film and they really don't know what they got themselves into. The movie is going to be a giant waste of money. So it will either be shunned by the mainstream and be a terrible adaptation, which means it'll be an ultimate failure. Or two, it will be shunned by mainstream audience an dbe a great adaptation, in which true fans are happy. Either way it won't be a massive success but I'll take the latter. Like Mathhew Goode said in his interview, at least i believe he did, he just made a 3 hour arthouse film and I hope that ends up being the case. And Halberd, I definitely have a certain admiration for Cameron but other than his past success there's nothing for me to be excited about, just yet anyways, when it comes to Avatar. And Alan Moore wrtoe Watchmen, not Frank Miller. Miller wrote Sin City and Dark Knight Returns and 300. Moore wrote V for Vendetta, From Hell and Extraordinary Gentlemen. They have two very different styles.
And by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:11:15 PM
If the adaptation of Watchmen fails then so be it. We will forever have the original comic and nothing can change that. We all hope that Watchmen will be great but if it isn't, it isn't. Everyone has to make such a big deal out of something that's not. No matter how good the movie, nothing will touch the source material. That's always the case, in the past, and things will be this way forever.
Overreacting by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 04:27:40 PM
Watchmen will pull GREAT dividends, because if 300 was any solace, it showed that kick ass slow motion battles is a vehicle for profit. CurtKobain, you talk about a couple in their 50s laughing at Nite Owl because of his Batman-esque appearance. Well guess what... he was influenced by Batman. Frank Miller drew influences from everybody, except he twisted it to the point that most everybody is a normal human being with the exception of the Doc Manhattan. I think the 50 year old demographic is a bad depiction of Watchmen's future.
Who's interested in Comic book adaptations ? TDK cough by G100	Jul 26th, 2008 04:31:21 PM
Would I have said the public would smash records with a very dark Batman Movie ? NOPE. So there is a hunger for these type of movies and though some will definitely NOT and NEVER get it, the Watchmen will peak the interest of many of boxoffices young demographic who are going to see TDK in record numbers and may well decide to see Watchmen too. The recent huge jump in the Sales of the Watchmen graphic novel are also a sign that there is definitely interest in the project. Whatever, there are many of us who will be delighted to see Rorschach, Dr Manhattan and Nite Owl on the big screen even if it doesn't turn out to be "the greatest thing since they invented color" cough and may ultimately disappoint. It's still bound to be a Million times better than handcock.
halberd by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:31:31 PM
Why do you keep saying Frank Miller? What does he have to do with Watchmen?
Ranma by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 04:33:22 PM
With the exception of Alan Moore I'm pretty sure Frank Miller still has a percentage of impact on the outcome of Watchmen - the incredible one-liners and the characters themselves. Either way he was only the original writer if I'm correct, and the people on top of the screenplay is what matters when it comes to adaptation and Hayter/Tse are the guys at the helm.
Y eah by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:35:05 PM
I don't know know anything about comics so I'll concede the point then.
Thought so by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:38:57 PM
I looked it up and have found no connection between Frank Miller and Watchmen. So, as far as I'm concerned, there is none. It was Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons creation and they definitely took inspiration from Batman for the character or Nite Owl but that's about it.
halberd: by thx185	Jul 26th, 2008 04:39:37 PM
Frank Miller was not involved with the Watchmen comic in any way. Alan Moore wrote it. Frank Miller is not involved with the Watchmen film in any way.
I liked Frank Miller by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 04:39:49 PM
until the Spirit came around. That movie looks terrible.
Not a Watchmen fan... by mrfan	Jul 26th, 2008 05:04:36 PM
but it does look nice. Hope it lives up to the fan's expectations.
RANMA by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 06:01:20 PM
You do make a point about the nostalgia factor making an impact on how you percive a film but as to the marines being annoying and cheesy, well if youd seen ALIENS before all the other movies that ripped off that squad dynamic youd see how brilliant ALIENS does it and HUDSON is the comic relief as with VASQUEZs quips The contest between ALIEN and ALIENS cannot be won both are 2 amazing movies different but brilliant because of that.
yeah I guess by ranma627	Jul 26th, 2008 06:38:25 PM
You're right but I don't mind marines being marines but why so cheesy? It mainly had to did with acting and line delivery. I haven't seen a movie that copied that whole aspect that I haven't enjoyed. It's not aobut doing it first, it's about doing it well. So name a few movies that copied that and I can almost guarantee I didn't like them or if I did I would give valid reasons for enjoying them. But, off the top of my head, I can't think of movies that had that same aspect that I enjoyed. Help me out.
Check out footage of the "Watchmen" panel by whosbrad	Jul 26th, 2008 07:02:22 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nof df5a8ics
I just saw Veidt by Mockingbuddha	Jul 26th, 2008 07:39:33 PM
Matthew Goode on some interview video on the New York Times site. He was a little irritating, but he didn't look as frail as he has looked in most of the Watchmen pics I've seen of him. So maybe he'll be all right. He seems a right arrogant prick, yeah?
by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 08:04:35 PM
Im dont mean movies with exact space marines in, or a particular army squad I mean dynamics with a group of people, I get the feel that they were a tight squad who had worked together (alot like in PREDATOR another classic which I hope you enjoy), also a tight crew in real life as Cameron has used nearly all them in other movies, Paxton, Behin, and Goldstein (vazquez). And its not mainly on cinema that ALIENS is the biggest inspiration Id mainly say its in Video Games, also True Lies is by far Camerons cheesiest film so Im suprised you dont like that bit of chedder that coats the marines dialogue, which I agree does, but makes me love them all the more for it
by CharyouTree	Jul 26th, 2008 08:06:13 PM
also you do know its supposed to be a vietnam squad in space so really Cameron was going for that vibe I belive,
MY BAD to Ranma, Drturing... by halberd	Jul 26th, 2008 09:17:08 PM
...to all those addressing the mistaken Miller/Watchmen tie-in. At that time I was skimming an article on Frank and TDK and I must've flip-flopped the names [moore/miller], but at any rate Moore still worked with Miller and everyone draws from everyone. Also, Drturing, you mentioned "the depth that Watchmen requires seems to be missing. If you remove that depth, it is pointless." I was under the impression that Hayter was writing the screenplay for the very purpose of protecting that depth, or as some are worried about, the 'accuracy' with adapting a story as complex as Watchmen. He fought for flashbacks and the idea of movie revolving around six characters instead of one. It's all a give and take if you ask me, because in the end, pure explanation is another name for an origin's-type effort [which would be great, should there be another installment or two for Watchmen in the future], or it simply won't be fun enough for the execs to greenlight. I guess we're all going to wait and see what they did with this film.
Alien > Aliens by Rupee88	Jul 26th, 2008 11:27:04 PM
not even a real debate there..no contest.
well the film is already a success in causing so many people to by Rupee88	Jul 26th, 2008 11:38:57 PM
It is #1 in Amazon's fiction literature category. So at least this movie is turning on an entire new generation to the comic/GN and that is a good thing. And hopefully they will search out more Moore work too...Miracleman, Supreme, the ABC stuff, etc...Miracleman rivals even Watchmen in coolness but the rights have been tied up in the courts for years, so hence no graphic novel is in print...very sad.
Watchmen is my bible...but by ArmySmithaz	Jul 26th, 2008 11:57:03 PM
I just don't see how this movie can be profitable unless there are way more nerds out there like myself. I mean, can you just imagine the ending of this film for someone that has never read the graphic novel. In a half a years time I gonna see those faces, and there gonna be pale with rage.
Rupee88 by ArmySmithaz	Jul 26th, 2008 11:58:33 PM
Are you high, alien better than aliens. Your Fired.
This movie cannot fail by JoeSixPack	Jul 27th, 2008 01:13:53 AM
I don't see how it could be messed up, staying that faithful to the source material.
armysmithaz and charyoutree by ranma627	Jul 27th, 2008 02:38:30 AM
Alien is a much superior film. It's much more atmospheric and the slow deliberate pacing is perfect. Plus the whole crew is intriguing and the acting is great across the board unlike Aliens. And charyoutre, you call True Lies cheesy but last time I checked True Lies was an action comedy. Aliens is not a comedy at all, and Paxton didn't provide any comic relief he was just annoying. He was this guy trying to be a total badass and it was just phony. I loved him in True Lies, too, but he was just terrible in this. in my opinion, Ridley Scott is a much better filmmaker and that's why Alien is the superior.
And Predator rocked by ranma627	Jul 27th, 2008 02:41:47 AM
That's how you do a group dynamic. I would rather Aliens would have kept it serious. Predator didn't resort to someone providing comic relief and I believed those guys were genuine soldiers. The soldiers in Aliens didn't seem genuine at all. I also can see why people prefer Aliens, because it's much more showy and action-oriented. But I'll take mood and atmosphere any day.
Comparing Watchmen with Dark Knight is risky by JackRabbitSlim	Jul 27th, 2008 08:43:14 AM
First, anyone suggesting Watchmen has even 1/4 the name recognition that Batman, or even Lord of the Rings, for that matter, has in the general populace is profoundly self-delusional. Second, the death of Heath Ledger gave Dark Knight unique social traction. Third, Dark Knight has been lauded by both the geeks and the mainstream press, a rarity indeed and a repeat one can only hope for in Watchmen. Fourth, I enjoyed 300 and Dawn of the Dead but ... Zack Snyder is no Christopher Nolan.
Ranma by CharyouTree	Jul 27th, 2008 09:56:51 AM
Well see now all these are just opinions, you dont think True Lies is cheesy? Paxton isnt annoying in that? Tom Arnold is FAR MORE annoying and cheesy in TRUE LIES than Paxton in ALIENS. He is supposed to be an "obnoxious loose cannon" in ALIENS and I think he plays that very well. and I didnt say ALIENS was better than ALIEN I think any true fan of the franchise knows that them two cannot be compared, one day youll feel like one more than the other. ALIEN is the best Haunted House movie ever, set in space and near every frame is perfect to watch. But damn sometimes I wanna see a BadAss, loud gang of Space Marines go "bug huntin" and blow shit up, and no other movie has done that yet. ALIENS is an action movie and in nearly every action movie there is an annoying cliched smart ass whos job it is, is to quip and annoy I think PAXXTON must have been TO good in that role if you disliked it so much. As for Ridley Being the better filmaker I might have agreed a few years ago but his choices of movies of late are shit.(A Good Year, Matchstick Men, Hannibal, GI Jane and Kingdom were poo) I dont think hes done a great movie since Black Rain, however he did make BladeRunner. I know Cameron has been quiet on the movie front what with Jesus' and the Titanics graves, but again this is like comparing the two Alien movies, it cant be done I think, both are the best of the best at what they do.Its just Ridley dropped the ball a bit since the mid 90s I think. Only time will tell what Cameron can do now.
JackRabbitSlim by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 10:13:41 AM
Plus people who saw Dark Knight saw Begins either in the theater, on DVD, or cable. That film was good and built an audience for the 2nd film. Watchmen doesn't have any chance to build a reputation the way Nolan built (probably more accurate to say rebuilt or repaired) the Batman franchise. Even without Ledger, Dark Night was going to do gangbusters opening weekend because it had a built in audience.
ranma627 by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 10:30:05 AM
How can you dislike someone you used to like for a movie you haven't even seen yet?
WATCHMEN counted out? by halberd	Jul 27th, 2008 10:47:21 AM
Are you serious? This has all the ingredients for box office destruction, and the TIME for promotion. We're, what? Eight months away from WATCHMEN's release? That's eight months for potential growth and heavy allocation for Watchmen advertisement. And with a name like 300 under your belt, people actually do KNOW Snyder. No one should even doubt Watchmen yet... too early to do just about anything.
I wish this costume designer worked with Nolan, on TDK. by JDanielP	Jul 27th, 2008 12:35:30 PM
You just know that his Bat-suit design would rock.
Don't know how this one is going to fare at the box office by smackfu	Jul 27th, 2008 02:59:10 PM
With 300 and Sin City, I also had never read the graphic novels. But they still had appeal regardless of whether you've read the source material or not. A movie about 300 spartans vs the whole persian army? Sounds good, count me in. Same with Sin City, it looked too cool to miss. The Watchmen however, doesn't look remotely appealing to me. It looks convoluted and visually awkward, with costumes that look like they're out of the Captain America movie or the Flash tv series. Both times I went to see Dark Knight, each group I was with basically looked around at each other with a 'wtf is this shit' kind of look on their face. To a fan of the Watchmen, I'm sure this looks fantastic, but to people who have never read the comics, or have never even heard of it, it looks cheesy and unappealing.
I never by ranma627	Jul 27th, 2008 06:55:46 PM
I never said I disliked Cameron INWO, I just said said I have no reason to be excited about Avatar. And charyoutree, what I was saying was True Lies was meant to be a comedy and cheesy. Paxton was annoying but wasfar better, non-cliched character. Tom Arnold can be annoying too but I loved him in True Lies. I thought he was note-perfect and was the best man for the job. To be honest, aobut action movies always having that cliched chracter that is obnoxious and there for comic relief, I have always disliked that role in an action movie and have always felt like a character such as that was uncalled for. I don't mind big action movies, but the action scenes better wow me if they want to have any lasting effect on me. So, all in all, that cheesiness fit True Lies but it didn't make me enjoy Aliens. Also, about Ridley and James, I guess they're about level because Ridley has been off his game. But I truly liked Matchstick Men and even though I hated Kingdom of Heaven, I hear the director's cut is a totally different movie and much better.
True by CharyouTree	Jul 27th, 2008 07:49:19 PM
what you say is all true Ranma and obviously it will always come down to personal tastes, but I just cant hate Hudson, no, sorry I cant. And Aliens will always be a seminal Action/Sci-fi flick I think, did you watch the Directors Cut of ALIENS? I cant remember if theres more or less of Paxton, but I remember liking it more than the normal version.
ranma627 by INWOsuxRED	Jul 27th, 2008 09:51:12 PM
I was talking about Miller. You said you used to like him until he did the Spirit.
oh well by ranma627	Jul 28th, 2008 12:24:23 PM
I just don't get the point of the Spirit just completely copying Sin City's style. It just shows his lack of direction by making a decision. And it appears as though, Samuel jackson is going to completely ruin that film. There's this masculine nature he has in alot of his work and at this point, it just seems like he has nothing left in his tank. But you're right, it's wrong of me to judge something I have not seen.
finally over by ranma627	Jul 28th, 2008 04:51:02 PM
I have to say I saw Aliens in a different light, this time around, and immensely enjoyed it. Hudson kicked ass when it mattered, same with Vasquez.
Really? by CharyouTree	Jul 28th, 2008 09:00:17 PM
Hmmn, are you serious Mr Ranma? I hope so, Coz Im not very good at detecting sarcasim on the interwebz, And Hudson and Vasquez really do kick ass dont they.
when all is said and done by ranma627	Jul 28th, 2008 10:25:52 PM
They did kickass overall. I sitll find them annoying at first but the chracters are definitely redeemed by the end and you totally dig them. They weren't scared and they fought till the end and when Vasquez fucking put her boot to that alien and then blasted the head off, that was some shit sick. But I didn't get why Ripley totally torched that whole nest and everything. She should have just walked away, instead of deciding to agitate the hell out of the queen by killing all her beautiful babies. All the creatures in these alien films freak me the hell out.
Aaaa good, good by CharyouTree	Jul 29th, 2008 09:46:07 AM
Well said dude, and of course, there not perfect as characters but they do count when it matters, as you pointed out. And If I remember correctly Ripley torches the nest because dosent an Egg begin to open as shes leaving? I think she belives that the Queen wouldnt hold up her end of the bargin and let them out alive, maybe?
by ranma627	Jul 29th, 2008 11:20:05 AM
I don't recall an egg opening up. But maybe I missed it. It was still a very great ending. I love when the Queen tears Bishop in half. I'm going to watch Alien 3 sometime today. I hear it's not too good but I'm doing David Fincher week at my house and Aliens 3 is up next. I saw The Game last night which i didn't like.
by CharyouTree	Jul 29th, 2008 12:16:29 PM
Yea just checked an egg begins to open and Ripley tilts her head at the Queen in a "Cheeky Bitch," kinda way, I like Alien3 and even 4 not that there amazing but far from crap as some would have you think. I wish they would have stuck to the original concept for Alien3 in which Ripley landed on a "wooden planet?" monestry filled with monks who then belived this WOMAN brought the Devil.
by ranma627	Jul 29th, 2008 02:39:21 PM
Hopefully I will be seeing it soon and then I guess I'll watch Alien Resurrection. Why not finish off the whole series? I hear the soundtrack for Alien 3 is amazing.
Aliens by INWOsuxRED	Jul 29th, 2008 09:16:31 PM
I don't think I ever caught that Ripley even had an option to just leave. I just figured she wouldn't leave because that just leaves the Aliens there waiting to kill the next group of people that wander in. She already lost two groups to them. I hated Alien 3. I think 4 is bad, but by that point my expectations were lowered so much that I don't hate it. MILD SPOILER FOR PART 4.....I liked some of the visuals they came up with, even if the movie itself was pretty retarded with that hybrid baby thing. I also liked the way the 3 aliens escaped captivity.
Honestly the whole point of the movie are dumb by ranma627	Jul 30th, 2008 12:28:13 PM
They go to some other planet and there are these very hostile creatures there so they kill them? I mean how does that help anything. We don't belong there, stay on Earth, and leave the creatures alone. The company does this just for the sake of discovering new life. I say leave them the hell alone and just leave. Once they discovered everyone was dead, there's nothing left to do but to go back home. I just felt like Ripley went out of here way to kill a bunch of things when she could have just snuck out and got away much more easily, in my opinion. I mean here back was to the exit and she torched everything in front of her then she went back to where she came from. Technically, they weren't in the way of her route back to the spaceship.
I think .. by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 12:47:43 PM
you missed it, The company knew that there was an alien distress/warning signal from that planet in ALIEN, they knew what would happen when they sent the colonist there, WEYLAND-YUTANI didnt care and wanted the Xenomorph from the very beginning for the ultimate weapon, its that you have to buy. And Ripley had lost alot due to these creatures even a daughter as shown in the directors cut thats why Newt was such a surragate for her. Do you really think the Queen (or even some subordinate drones on the way out) would have just let her waltz back out to come back with an Army? Ripley knew it would never end and the company would keep trying to get the Alien. That was her chance to end it for good, the egg opening was just an excuse for Ripley to flame them like somebody in an AICN talkback.
And... by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 12:50:33 PM
They couldnt get back home untill Bishop brought the new Dropship down they then defend themselves with the Uber turrets until when they are on the way to the dropship Newt gets taken. NO WAY is Ripley gonna take that.
you win charyoutree by ranma627	Jul 30th, 2008 08:29:16 PM
Very good points. I didn't the whole ultimate weapon thing. Maybe that's discussed later in the series.
Haha nobodys by CharyouTree	Jul 30th, 2008 10:10:06 PM
a winner dude everyone has their views, I think you get most of it when Ripleys raging at Burke after he puts the facehuggers in her room "you dont see them fucking each other over for a percentage" and I think its mentioned again in 3-4
well by ranma627	Jul 30th, 2008 10:29:13 PM
Burke doing that was a case of wanting the specimen so it could allow him to be famous and even more rich. Not necessarily to utilize it as a weapon. I'm watching Alien 3 soon. I'll come back here and tell you my thoughts.
I think.. by CharyouTree	Jul 31st, 2008 08:49:28 AM
It was Ian Holmes who mentions it being the perfect killing machine, or even someone in 3. Its pretty obvious thats, what the company want it for, what else do the big bad companys want with the perfect killing machine, its in 4 but its the Army not the Company who are after it. You think theyd go through all this trouble just to study it?
alien 3 by ranma627	Aug 3rd, 2008 09:57:27 PM
alien 3 was disappointing. I didn't mind the whole prison setup but I hate that they killed off all the characters from Aliens, besides Ripley. The movie wasn't scary at all and the use of cgi was pretty horrible. The alien franchise is about special effects, not visual effects.

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