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Alexandra DuPont Takes A Break From Her Own Ongoing Superheroics To Appraise THE DARK KNIGHT!!

DARK KNIGHT WILL OWN! by eoneon	Jul 18th, 2008 01:06:30 AM

I CAN SEE IT IN 45 MINUTES FOR $13 OR WAIT by eoneon	Jul 18th, 2008 01:09:06 AM
til tomorrow and see it for $5 hmmm. i think i'll wait. I can't believe some of the harsh critics on Rotton Tomatoes. I can see not liking this film,but bashing it? so not cool. Oh and fuck Bush and McSame even though I live in AZ
HOW ABOUT POSTING "SPOILER" FIRST!! by eoneon	Jul 18th, 2008 01:14:25 AM
that woulds been nice you know... just sayin
Can't you fucking read? by Gilkuliehe	Jul 18th, 2008 01:22:19 AM
I read the article and it clearly states it's going into spoiler territory. Jerks.
Look Out Naruse, Here Comes Batman. by georges garvaren	Jul 18th, 2008 01:27:38 AM
And then I passout from laughing. Another lemming; another cliff to tumble over. Gee golly-wiz, where's Robin when you need him? Probably blowing Schumacher, no doubt.
queston by acebandage	Jul 18th, 2008 01:41:15 AM
Has anyone who has READ a Batman comic featuring the Joker (ie The Killing Joke) reviewed this movie, or is it all just fans of Heat?
acebandage:I OWN 'The Killing Joke'.... by Alexandra.DuPont	Jul 18th, 2008 01:55:14 AM
... and 'Heat' has a lot more to do with 'The Dark Knight''s overall vibe than 'Joke.' Sorry, but the similarities are too blatant not to mention. I love 'The Killing Joke' (the new remastered-colors version is brilliant), but ultimately Moore's idea of the Joker -- and his possible origin story for the Joker -- have nothing in common with Nolan's.
Just got in from a midnight showing in Southern Ohio... by crashcow	Jul 18th, 2008 01:57:22 AM
This movie is PERFECT. It nailed it. ALL of it.
Very entertaining review. by therobcat	Jul 18th, 2008 02:11:00 AM
You often make me choke on giggles. One other thing I liked about the film was the little bit at the begining with the Scarecrow. It made this really feel like Batman's world with Arkham Asylum's revolving door aspect. I'd like to see Batman sent to Arkham in a future film. If they take cues from the Morrison/McKean graphic novel, it'd be amazing. Still though, without Ledger and the Joker, maybe that's not such a cool idea...
Hey, I loved that CGI train! by GravyAkira	Jul 18th, 2008 02:12:22 AM
Only 15 hours left!
I agree that it will be hard to top this one... by JKrow21	Jul 18th, 2008 02:14:43 AM
There isn't another character quite as interesting....although the ending of the movie paints an interesting dilema for Batman in the next film.
The Dark Knight by ekr1701	Jul 18th, 2008 02:23:56 AM
This will Go Down as one of the Best Films EVER,,, GodFather Like Best.....
I luv u by IAmJack'sUserID	Jul 18th, 2008 02:27:28 AM
I luv u
There are no words... by critch	Jul 18th, 2008 02:29:31 AM
They should have sent a poet. Absolutely perfect from beginning to end.
Hey, morons by JustSomeDude899	Jul 18th, 2008 02:31:10 AM
She clearly stated spoilers were coming. Not her fault you scroll down to the bottom of a review.
Just got back by Montag666	Jul 18th, 2008 02:34:18 AM
From the quickest 2 and a half hours I think I have ever spent in a theater. I don't see the point in making any more hero movies or a sequel to this one for that matter. I feel spent and utterly amazed at what I just saw. No pressure Zack Snyder.
I am at a loss of words by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:49:25 AM
It was amazing.
It turns out Nolan... by GregoryHarbin	Jul 18th, 2008 02:50:41 AM
...hated 'Begins' as much as I did. Everything I disliked about the film (which was a lot) was fixed. Bring on Bats 3! With Gordan's son as Robin!
Just got in.... by R L S	Jul 18th, 2008 02:53:19 AM
I am tired, but the movie was great. I didn't get the same "wow" factor I got the first time I saw BEGINS, but I plan to see it at least three more times in the theater. You know, let the movie really soak in.
HARBIN by R L S	Jul 18th, 2008 02:54:23 AM
What didn't you like about BEGINS?
WOW by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:55:34 AM
I CAN NOT STOP WOW!
"Can't be one you can acost for...." by R L S	Jul 18th, 2008 02:57:48 AM
WTF??
~~~YOU HAVE TO WATCH IT MORE THAN ONCE~~~ by The Marquis de Side 3	Jul 18th, 2008 02:59:02 AM
the film is so rich, you have to take it all in over a period of time. and believe me, you WILL be rocked and haunted at the end...
~~~AND NO...THEY SHOULD STOP NOW BEFORE "DARK KNIGHT 2"~~~ by The Marquis de Side 3	Jul 18th, 2008 03:01:19 AM
I really don't see the point in making a third film. embrace this baby, folks. love it, cherish it, cuz we will never get anything like it again... but if they do make a sequel, call it "Dark Knight 2". enough with the Batman-this or batman-that titles... we finally have a believable comic film, and it is gorgeous.
Dent's Pillow had stains on it by MetiphisLabs	Jul 18th, 2008 03:02:04 AM
How did you not seem them?
Your two gripes... by davywankenobi	Jul 18th, 2008 03:02:13 AM
I did see the stains on the pillow after he becomes Two-Face. Oddly enough, they stuck out to me. You're second gripe is spot on, though. What did happen to the penthouse full of party guests? Fantastic Film. I just want to watch a loop of the Joker scenes. Amazing. The yellow teeth against the made up face, and that walk out of the hospital. I'm glad someone else has mentioned that. What a God damned shame that Heath Ledger slipped away from us. Damn it. The big question is...How can it get any better???
Minor thing, but... by nascentia	Jul 18th, 2008 03:05:45 AM
...Dent's face actually DID stain the pillow. I specifically noticed that and thought, "Cool. Nice touch."
soaking in cinema by deanbarry	Jul 18th, 2008 03:08:50 AM
The Dark Knight is indeed, a film with som many textures and layers that repeat viewing will be a necessary. I came out so over whelmed by what i had seen, that i wasn't sure how i felt. I enjoyed it, but not on a level I expected. But then, after talking to some friends who had also seen it, about certain scenes, plot twists, the bike...oh wow, the bat pod is so sexy! I am ramping up by respect, love and adulation from this film. It's taking ahwile to digest, but my god, I am a happy movie geek. And, oh yeah, just cause it bugged the fuck outta me, the idiots who were complaining about the lack of "Spoiler Warning", look abovet the pic of Harvey and Rachel, and you'll see A WARNING ABOUT SPOILER TERITORY!
they're right... by theBigWasted	Jul 18th, 2008 03:13:19 AM
there are stains on the pillow. whatever happened to the party guests and more importantly, how did the joker so easily walk right out of the party with batman suited up and waiting downstairs on the other hand...
100% disagree that joker is a trust fund kid by orange cinema	Jul 18th, 2008 03:16:21 AM
every comparison she makes, is a wealthy clean cut prick. ledger's joker has no use for heygeine, his teeth are yellow, and you can almost smell his gutter stench off the screen. no, he is not a trust fund kid at all - he is more likely the man from moore's killing joke.
FINALLY!!! by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 03:18:10 AM
This was the first Batman film EVER in which Batman did not reveal his identity to anybody new, and the Bat-girl bought it!
Stuff by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 03:23:00 AM
We saw Harley's three "babies" from the animated series, so that was cool. But also, what DID happen after Batman went out the window after Rachel??? Anyone?
Just got back from my second viewing... by The Dum Guy	Jul 18th, 2008 03:23:05 AM
And, it is good. Although, I kinda want to see it with a large audience (first screening had 8 people watching it, and the second one had me and two other people). My biggest complaint is... I wanted more Joker. Not that he isn't used well enough, but we'll never get to see Ledger's Joker ever again, and I must say I love that Joker.
Movie was great BUT (SPOILER) by JBouganim1	Jul 18th, 2008 03:23:11 AM
I didnt like how they rushed the ending with Two-Face. And his face did stain the pillow. Plus, it took me about 15 min to get used to Batmans voice again
:::after Bats saves Rachel::: by The Dum Guy	Jul 18th, 2008 03:24:26 AM
Joker and friends figure they weren't going to have to fuck with the Batman that night, so they decided to scram while the scramming was good.
Alexandra, I saw stains on those pillows. by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:24:47 AM
I remember that because I noted it as a nice detail to include that could easily have gotten over looked.
Fantastic movie by eXcommunicated	Jul 18th, 2008 03:25:08 AM
Just got back from midnight showing. Amazing movie. Just have to see it a few more times to digest it all. Don't go into this movie expecting a "superhero" movie or even a "comic book" movie. Just go in expecting slasher/crime drama with Se7en style twists and turns. Yeah, Joker reminds me a little bit of John Doe.
At least it's better than begins. by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:26:19 AM
Oh, and that accountant guy? I don't know why everyone thinks he's gonna become the riddler. That rumored scene involving him, a photo of Batman, a sharpie, and a question mark? not in the movie. (unless it was an after the credits tease I didn't stay for.)
THERE WERE STAINS ON HIS PILLOW by master bitchfist	Jul 18th, 2008 03:26:57 AM
maybe YOU need to rewatch the movie
Is Two Face really dead though? by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:27:47 AM
On the ground, I at first thought he was just knocked out. Later, they're talking about him like he's dead. But I think Nolan may have left himself some wriggle room here. I think it's possible Two Face is still alive for the next movie, and Gordon just faked his death.
After the credits by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 03:27:51 AM
There was nothing. Nada. Zilch.
I agree. It' by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jul 18th, 2008 03:29:07 AM

Fuck you MS. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jul 18th, 2008 03:29:31 AM

I agree, it's so good it's actually bad because by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	Jul 18th, 2008 03:30:56 AM
nothing will ever top it. It's ruined all superhero movies from the past and any that will be made int he future. The bar has been raised to such levels nothing will ever top it. Nolan fucked himself with any future installments. This should be the last film IMO for the Batman series.
Maybe the stains aren't in the IMAX cut? by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:31:39 AM
I went to see the regular old cineplex version and saw those pillows in all there stained glory. But dammit, I will have to catch this again in IMAX. I bet the Hong Kong scene just owns on that format.
By the Way, I LOVE the Hong Kong sequence! by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:32:24 AM
It was like Batman mission impossible!
I guess I'll take this opportunity to munch on some crow by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:33:17 AM
Maybe not the whole bird, but at least a drum stick. But my less than stellar opinion on Begins still stands.
"Taa-Daahhh!" by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Jul 18th, 2008 03:33:52 AM
......Now THAT was an ENTRANCE. Fuck ME. In his first 15 seconds on screen, he blows Nicholson's Joker away. Period. Now, MY question about loose ends: Is Harvey dead? I'm not sure........
What I liked best was what they didn't do. by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 03:33:54 AM
They didn't kill the Joker, they didn't reveal Bruce's identity to any new major characters, they forwent a happy ending, and they CGI-ed Two-Face. So, who wants to be the one to say that in the next film, we'll be seeing a little kid in green and red tights? C'mon, say it. 'Cause I won't! New question: How did Gordon survive being shot??
My bet theory is that Two Face is ALIVE! by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:36:46 AM
And smuggled into Arkham under and assumed name. No Robin yet, but it did my Bat heart good to glimpse Jim Gordon's daughter. Yes, Batgirl is beyond the scope of Nolan's franchise, but at least her possibility is referenced...
What I didn't like by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 03:38:36 AM
Like several others, I felt that Harvey's story was handled well until the very end. I also agree that this movie has set the bar too high to ever top. End the Batman films here and now.
Just saw it by kungfuhustler84	Jul 18th, 2008 03:40:53 AM
I have been worried the entire week that I had hyped myself up too much and my expectations were too high. They were completely surpassed. They willnever be able to top this one. I really, highly doubt that. But once again, I would love another surprise leap over my expectations.
Harvey was just fine, his last turn was believeable. by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:40:58 AM
Within the scope of the film. The real issue is that people just squirm to see good guys go bad, and part of them never truly believes it.
HOL SHIT - WATCHMEN TRAILER ROCKS!!!!! by DoogieHowitzer	Jul 18th, 2008 03:43:06 AM
Generally hate all-caps - but that watchmen trailer made me all tingly in my shorts. Also - the movie kicked all kinds of ass - saw it at a multiplex that had it on 18 screens - all sold out at midnight. And the face-goo stains were on the hospital pillow where I saw the flick. est night at the movies in YEARS. The watchmen trailer was like the fluffer before the money-shot :)
Heath Ledger by Lashlarue	Jul 18th, 2008 03:43:49 AM
I pray you're in Heaven with God, sir. You gave us the greatest villain ever put to film. Thank you.
Alexandra, we are calling you OUT!!! by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 03:49:34 AM
Your ability to spot and identify pillows stained by melted face goo has been seriously called into question!!!
I was quite underwhelmed... by Kid Idioteque	Jul 18th, 2008 03:53:32 AM
A remarkable film in many ways, yet I can't ignore its significant flaws. Firstly, it abandons the tone and look of "Batman Begins" - this isn't inherently bad, but it's certainly jarring. Secondly, Ledger is so damn good that it makes the rest of th e performances seem painfully average by comparison. This hurts most when the story begins to fall apart in the final 30 minutes. Lastly, the film is generally cruel, humorless, and depressing. Don't buy into the hype or the claims of "masterpiece" - this is merely Chris Nolan's 3rd or 4th best film, as of 2008. See it, and then decide for yourself. ADDITIONALLY, there is no way this group can or will make another film. This is a definite end to the series, at least with this group of creative minds. There's nowhere left to go. AT ALL.
Now, that I think about it, my biggest gripe.... by The Dum Guy	Jul 18th, 2008 03:58:23 AM
Comes not from reading the positive reviews, but from the negative ones. Most said that it was TOO dark, nihilistic and that it was almost R-rated material, but I thought not so. The citizens of Gotham didn't turn on eachother like hopeless/crazed jackals and the death scenes weren't graphic and there wasn't exactly a high body count (compared to Batman '89). So, not to think I slight the film, I don't think anyone should go into this film thinking that this is pushing any bounds as far as how dark it is, keeping in mind the film is called The Dark Knight. Call me crazy, but I want a horror film that has Batman in it... say with Man-Bat and Scarecrow in an R-rated fright fest.
RE: Kid Idi by jdl82	Jul 18th, 2008 04:00:41 AM
Yeah, they gave the Batman myth what seemed like a proper ending, for lack of a better term. All the loose ends were tied up. Where I suppose I disagree with you is in your judgment that a depressing Batman movie is a bad movie. Batman is a depressing story to those of us familiar with the source material. And as for its having abandoned the look and feel of its predecesor, I have to agree with you there but disagree with your assertion that that makes it a worser film. In my opinion, the new look and feel reflects the crime fiction we've become accustomed to on TV since BB.
Wow everyone got fuced in that movie... by Cronenfly	Jul 18th, 2008 04:06:56 AM
That was by far the best film i have seen all year!
fucked* by Cronenfly	Jul 18th, 2008 04:07:19 AM

wow im fuckedup by Cronenfly	Jul 18th, 2008 04:07:38 AM

by Cronenfly	Jul 18th, 2008 04:09:36 AM
It reminded me a lot of the cartoon that was on cartoon network. That also had a very depressing feel to it. and it was great!
Alexandra DuPont, go fuck yourself crackwhore by Prossor	Jul 18th, 2008 04:12:42 AM
do we really need another review saying pretty much thes same ol stuff every other AICN review has done? Really i must have read "ledger's joker is every bit as good as you've heard" like 8 times by now. And i'm very glad that this movie has "fit the bill" for your rare esteemed review to grace us lowly plebes once in a blue moon. No amounts of pics or uses of commas or fucks will make it better. YOR NUMBA ONE.
Just tell us if Gordon HAS A BEER AND CHEET ON HIS WIFE? by MaxTheSilent	Jul 18th, 2008 04:24:01 AM
There's one for the old-school AICN'ers among us!
Sequel 'spoiler' in throway line? by andymillman	Jul 18th, 2008 04:36:55 AM
Did anyone notice the line where Alfred says the Batsuit is indestructible to cats? I definitely think that was a sly hint to the 3rd movie.
And still a week until I can see this in the UK by palimpsest	Jul 18th, 2008 04:46:02 AM
ah well...
Alright, but who watches the WATCHMEN? by Motoko Kusanagi	Jul 18th, 2008 04:50:35 AM
That trailer was brilliant!
Catwoman by Crewman Number Six	Jul 18th, 2008 05:15:01 AM
why has no one mentioned Lucius Fox's comment about the suit? Bruce: "will it protect me from a dog?" Lucius: "maybe a cat". CATWOMAN in the third film!!
good review but... by mmaddox3	Jul 18th, 2008 05:28:54 AM
as some have already pointed out, dents pillow does have some kind of residue or stains on it, and although i havnt watched insomnia in awhile it really goes about in a rather narrative way. good point about the joker being left alone with the guests...i assume its safe to assume that w/o a trace of dent and the bat literally crashing the party the joker would become unintrested with staying.
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Jul 18th, 2008 05:38:07 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
"bored, brilliant and homicidally insane trust-fund kid" by Iowa Snot Client	Jul 18th, 2008 05:48:31 AM
That line made me think of Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys... another great performance that blew away expectations.
God, this sounds awful. by Hooded Justice	Jul 18th, 2008 06:01:52 AM
Can people please STOP comparing this movie to HEAT? I actually don't feel like seeing Dark Knight any more - because of the possiblility of having to watch paint dry again.
I think, Fox said.... by The Dum Guy	Jul 18th, 2008 06:03:35 AM
I'm putting in my letter of resignation in as long as this "thing" is used, and I won't work here as long as this thing is around.... I'm saying this in paraphrase, but it seems that since Fox destroyed the machine that only he could command, that his stay at Wayne Inc. is safe for part 3. I thought all the major characters where contracted pay or play for 3 movies?
re:: Hooded Justice by The Dum Guy	Jul 18th, 2008 06:04:39 AM
I think thou protest too much.
Christ Prosser by Lost Jarv	Jul 18th, 2008 06:04:57 AM
Did she kick your dog or something?
Once again! by Orionsangels	Jul 18th, 2008 06:07:46 AM
Alexandra DuPont proves why she's the best writer at AICN! I don't think I had more fun reading an article on this site than I did reading this one, Bravo!
SPOILERS!!!! About Nolan's direction by Monkey Butler	Jul 18th, 2008 06:08:54 AM

SPOILERS!!!! About Nolan's Directions by Monkey Butler	Jul 18th, 2008 06:12:35 AM
SERIOUSLY - SPOILERS!!!! Saying that this is the first movie Nolan's directed 'that's not like some sort of magic trick' is misleading. Every single scene that the Joker is in ends differently to how you expect. Seriously, every single one gets twisted. From his introduction in the bank heist, to his 'magic trick', to the stories about his scars, to his appearance at the fund-raiser, to the absolutely perfect shot of him in the dark in the interrogation room, to him falling off the building laughing, there's not a single scene that ends in the way that you'd think. Not to mention the swirling camera. So yeah, the narrative's straightforward, but the direction definitely ain't. And that's just one of the many, many incredible things about this movie.
knocked you flat on your vagina? by ironic_name	Jul 18th, 2008 06:36:07 AM

Just saw it a second time... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 18th, 2008 06:40:16 AM
The film truly is Nolan's masterpiece.
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TDK will relieve your gas cramps by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:45:27 AM

Monkey Butler by ironic_name	Jul 18th, 2008 06:46:21 AM
c'mon, every scene with joker ended how I thought. especially him baiting the cop and the hospital.
TDK will lance your boils by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:48:57 AM

TDK will enhance your "member" by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:49:34 AM

TDK will give your undercarriage.... by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:50:21 AM
a good "how's your father".
TDK will do amazing things to your system by ironic_name	Jul 18th, 2008 06:52:05 AM
remember that ad? aussies?
TDK will shave your back hair by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:55:20 AM

I am going to an Imax today by Sparhawk38	Jul 18th, 2008 06:57:21 AM
and can NOT wait. Taking my 2 sons ..13 and 8. I am hoping it doesn't scar my 8 year old. I am a good parent...really...but in this case I am going to risk being a little irresponsible.
Best.Review.TDK by Darth_Valinorean	Jul 18th, 2008 07:09:00 AM
This is one of the best reviews of TDK I have read. This is one of the best reviews of most any movie I have seen. Great job !! Logical. Precise. Sensible. Thoughtful... EXCELLENT READ. I will be passing the link to this read to my friends
Yeah, I'm not sure they can do a third movie. by rev_skarekroe	Jul 18th, 2008 07:25:16 AM
The villain will either feel toned down after Ledger's Joker or they'll make him so over the top it'll be silly again. The Mutants might work, with Batman fighting the youth of a city that hates him.
On the movie's length and Two Face's short shrift... by rev_skarekroe	Jul 18th, 2008 07:27:47 AM
Nolan could easily have pulled a "Kill Bill" and cut it into two 90 minute movies - a Joker movie and a Two Face movie. But then everybody would have complained that they were getting ripped off. And sure, he could've done a three hour cut, but honestly, my but was completely numb at the two hour mark.
ironic_name, square eyes and ears? by Mr_Sinister	Jul 18th, 2008 07:32:21 AM
Haha nice one! I sure do remember that. How about those freaky 'people' with the huge squarish eyes and ears... I liked The Dark Knight, but have to admit that the stuff phoenixmagi2 mentioned up above kinda bugged me also. Still, very entertaining, and mainly because of Ledger. I'd watch it again just for him. Even just for that one scene of the Joker and Two-Face at the hospital. Excellent.
Great flick by thebearovingian	Jul 18th, 2008 07:36:52 AM
There's no way around it. The hype was met. So much good stuff. Loved hearing and seeing all the viral marketing stuff come up over the course of the film. Ledger was fantastic (this is not post-humous rhetoric, he was simply amazing). Eckhart was fantastic (almost as good as Ledger). Freeman, Caine and Bale were, of course, fantastic. I cannot wait to see it again...and again...and again. I was smiling ear to ear for most of it. My biggest gripe is Oldman having a very hard time disguising his accent when speaking loudly/ yelling. This is THE must see movie of the year.
The microwave thing from Begins... by Kid Z	Jul 18th, 2008 07:50:15 AM
...simple explanation time... the gizmo generated FOCUSED microwaves and was aimed at the watermain below the streets under the monorail tracks. That's why it didn't boil the ninjas and people around it. Geez, sometimes people nitpick too much. (Me included, of course.)
can't write a review without the minutiae of plot detail? by Chaucer	Jul 18th, 2008 07:59:07 AM
pathetic review. is it really useful to immediately divulge every detail of plot?
Hate to disagree, Alex... by biggles2_22	Jul 18th, 2008 08:04:04 AM
...But Dent does stain his pillow in the scene with the Joker. Saw it on IMAX this past Moan-day. Also, is it just me, but does the IMAX experience actually make it hard to watch an action flick?
why the BB hate by darthwaz1	Jul 18th, 2008 08:13:41 AM
All of these reviewers are turning their backs on Batman Begins! The microwave gun fires "focused microwaves" they say it! ps - why not bring Ras back for part 3, that would be cool, and we all know he's an immortal anyway, he didn't die on the train..
Just letting everyone know... by fassbinder79	Jul 18th, 2008 08:18:08 AM
Saw Dark Knight in Imax last night. Its the best single piece of pop filmmaking I have ever seen. And dare I say it...I think after Citizen Kane its the best film ever made. Why can I say this? Because everyone and their momma in the industry is going to want to copy Nolan after this. He just changed mainstream cinema FOREVER.
On the subject of pillow stains... by Alexandra.DuPont	Jul 18th, 2008 08:18:33 AM
... Color me corrected. But I swear I remember seeing a shot of Dent turning away from the pillow and thinking, "Shouldn't there be, like, gravy under there?" Oh, and Chaucer: Sorry you disliked the review. (I'd argue I didn't "divulge every detail," but whatever.) I did go a little further into plot than usual, though, because I wanted to point out that Nolan was developing the tragedy (and his ideas) consistently from the get-go. It's a weirdly well thought-out story for a $180 million movie, IMO.
PS by fassbinder79	Jul 18th, 2008 08:20:43 AM
If you've seen anything like Capturing the Friedmans or Henry Portrait of a serial killer DK isn't scary at all. But it is relentless and consistently suspenseful. And oh yes...BEST FILM EVER MADE.
Harvey Two-Face. by Finding Forrestal	Jul 18th, 2008 08:30:16 AM
*SPOILERS* After having seen TDK a second time, I'm confident that Harvey is still alive. In the final scene, Gordon and Batman are talking about how damaging it would be if Gotham knew the truth about Harvey's killing spree. Which, of course, is the reason why Batman decides to take the blame for his murders. They then hold a public funeral and proclaim that Harvey "died a hero" when in actuality he "lived to see himself become the villain." Gordon no doubt had Harvey sent to Arkham to maintain this lie. Incidentally, I find it interesting that during the press conference Harvey took the fall for Bats by claiming he was the caped crusader and then Batman returned the favor by taking responsibility for Harvey's murders. Also, I've read some criticism of the fact that Harvey "suddenly" becomes vengeful towards Batman. To me, it makes perfect sense that Harvey would harbor animosity (however unreasonable). Consider: While both men share the same goals, they go about achieving them in conflicting ways (two sides of the same coin, if you will). The White Knight works within the justice system while the Dark Knight rejects it outright, preferring instead to become a masked vigilante and fight crime on the street level. Harvey believes that Rachel's death was directly related to Batman methods (in that his existence created a madman like the Joker). In addition, Batman was the last person Harvey wanted to see while lying face down in that pool of gasoline. He wished Batman was off saving Rachel and no doubt is resentful of the fact that the caped crusader "chose" to save him instead. This, of course, is bullshit seeing as Batman wanted to save Rachel all along. The Joker (who was aware of Batman's affection towards Rachel after witnessing his daring rescue of her at the fund raiser) intentionally told Bats the wrong address because he knew that Harvey would be angry at Batman if he was saved while his girlfriend was left to die. Add disfigurement and mental instability to the equation (not to mention the Joker's psychological prodding) and it becomes entirely plausible that Harvey would turn against Batman.
Ra's Al Ghul, of course by Human Tornado	Jul 18th, 2008 08:31:13 AM
Since no one have said it yet, bring ol' Ra's back, with Talia on his side. You cut the Devil's head and it grows right back. Way to rub it to Bruce's face that his crusade is hopeless.
I thought this was Elliot Spitzer's girl reviewing it.. by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 08:33:11 AM
That's Ashley Dupree though...
Finding Forrestal.... by Alexandra.DuPont	Jul 18th, 2008 08:43:44 AM
I've also been thinking about ... * SPOILERS * ... the ultimate fate of Harvey Dent, too, and yeah -- it totally makes sense that Gordon and Bats would conspire to hide him away at Gotham. (I didn't want to get into this in the review for obvious reasons.) It's actually one of the ways I could see a third film upping the stakes -- because if Gordon now has a cover-up of his own, he is in some way as twisted as the cops he used to fight as a sergeant. There are all sorts of ideas about the corruption of power that Nolan could explore.... Also, if the Joker and Harvey were both alive and in a position to escape from Arkham, Nolan could actually jump forward in time a decade or two and actually go ahead with some ideas from "The Dark Knight Returns." But that seems unlikely.
It is sad that...(Spoiler Alert) by biggles2_22	Jul 18th, 2008 08:52:39 AM
...Rachel doesn't get a funeral.
Some fair criticisms by Interficium	Jul 18th, 2008 08:52:41 AM
Especially the pretty big plot hole with Joker being left all alone in the penthouse and the out-of-place editing in the showdown with Joker in the skyscraper. Also agree with the criticism of Bale's Batman voice, it REALLY shows it's limitations when he's forced to say anything longer than a short sentence, like when he's talking with Joker and Gordon at the end. Still think something smoother (IE animated series Batman) would be better.
It's funny... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 18th, 2008 09:00:17 AM
...that you mentioned "Dark Knight Returns" because it occurred to me that borrowing from Miller's story would be the only way to make an interesting third film. Particularly since DK ends the way it does. It also makes sense considering how much BB and DK are indebted to Miller's "Year One." If Nolan uses "Dark Knight Returns" as his basis for a third film then we'll have the perfect Batman trilogy.
Trust fund Joker by terry1978	Jul 18th, 2008 09:01:12 AM
That actually makes sense, that he was basically an overprivileged brat that basically decided to start doing shit because he was bored with everything going so well.
Schumacher nipple-disco by McDee	Jul 18th, 2008 09:02:35 AM
I almost ruined my keyboard with that.
Interficium by fassbinder79	Jul 18th, 2008 09:02:54 AM
While I love and appreciate Batman The Animated Series...With the realism that Nolan is striving for in his universe Bale's voice is right on the money. If it was too smooth it would be too obvious that it was Bruce Wayne behind the mask. What Bale is doing with his voice makes his identity less obvious than if he was talking straight like Conroy does on the animated series.
FUCK YOU Gilkuliehe and Justsomeguy! ANAL DOUCHES by eoneon	Jul 18th, 2008 09:05:03 AM
HEY IT'S POLITE AND EXPECTED WHEN AICN POSTS "SPOILER" IN RED AROUND THE STORY POST YOU FUCKING ALBINO BLACK MIDGET LOVING RETARDS! ESSEN MEINE SCHEISSEN SCHLANGE YOU WORLDS GREATEST DAD SHIRT WEARING CHILD RAPIST MOTHERFUCKERS
Ras by darthwaz1	Jul 18th, 2008 09:08:09 AM
although BB doesn't specifically say that Ras is immortal, there's enough little hints thrown in, I'd love to see him re-appear in part 3
Bale's "Batman" voice... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 18th, 2008 09:13:55 AM
Someone hypothesized that the reason his voice sounds the way it does is because it's supposed to be the vocalization of all his pent up rage. I like that explanation because it parallels the Joker's odd pitch shifting (which, apparently, is something a schizophrenic would do with their voice). It also works as a disguise of sorts.
Finding Forrestal...spoilers by Cosmo Nautilus	Jul 18th, 2008 09:21:32 AM
You make an excellent point about what Harvey's fate truly could be, and I would be ecstatic to find out that it's true. As well as I think they treated Two-Face in the film I still want more of him. The problem now lies with the Joker. Ledger has proven himself to be irreplaceable. Thank god for no more Rachel, although she was a much better character this time around.
In defense of nilhistic bummer movies.... by cookylamoo	Jul 18th, 2008 09:24:45 AM
I went to see JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH last night, before it got bulldozed by TDK and I was bombarded with feel-good movie trailers for the coming season where poverty stricken Mexican Little League teams win the local title, black football players triumph over prejudice, teenage girls bond over a pair of blue jeans and of course ABBA fest. I'm not putting down these films, but it reminded me that there are hundreds of films each year to make people feel good about life. So even if TDK is a nihilistic, bummer of a movie at least it's different. Maybe we need a few movies that remind us that life is not entirely about empowerment, bonding, personal triumph and love conquers all.
I remember way back at the writing stages of this movie.. by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 09:28:15 AM
There was talk that the second and third film would be almost one movie. Second movie dealing with the creation of Two-Face via the Joker and the third dealing with Two-Face and the Joker. It could happen that way still, it would seem.
eoneon by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 09:31:33 AM
It clearly says 'Spoilers ahead...' It's called reading. These are words, put them together they make sentences. Go from left to right, up to down. Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps....
You're the reason McDonald's Cash-Registers don't have words.. by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 09:31:53 AM

Also by Interficium	Jul 18th, 2008 09:31:56 AM
I got a little sad at Joker's line "I feel we are destined to do this for the rest of our lives" (or whatever it was).
few questions... by johnnyg korrupt	Jul 18th, 2008 09:32:01 AM
Why didn't Dent kill joker in the hospital? seems implausible to me. I can understand why Dent would go after the corrupt cops....but why Batman and Gordon?
Alexandra.DuPont Needs to be BlackBoxed! by kevinwillis.net	Jul 18th, 2008 09:42:17 AM
Alexandra, why aren't you blackboxed? It'd make it a lot easier to pick out the things worth reading in the TalkBack and the things I need to skip. Plus, I always find Talkbacks more interesting to read with the author is interacting with the TBers . . . Blackbox Alexandra DuPont now! I'm starting a petition.
Johnnyg Korrupt... by Finding Forrestal	Jul 18th, 2008 09:43:59 AM
*SPOILERS* The Joker warped Harvey's already deranged mind into thinking Batman and Gordon were ultimately responsible. Also, just to clarify, Harvey would have killed the Joker had his coin landed the other way.
So if they do a pt. 3 - and I'm gonna post SPOILERS here. by rev_skarekroe	Jul 18th, 2008 09:54:00 AM
It has to have Catwoman, otherwise there's no female lead. Unless you want to bring back Vikki Vale or something. As for Two Face, yeah he could be alive, but that seems kind of cheap to me.
Spoilers RE: Dent & Gordon by Starkers	Jul 18th, 2008 09:58:07 AM
SPLOIERS The reason for Dent going after Gordon makes complete sense. When Batman and Gordon bring Dent into their plan for prosecuting the Mafia they get into a slanging match about which department is more liable to leak or be corrupt. After the money is moved from the banks before the raid the argument is brought up again, but Gordon vouches for the men is his unit. Dent trusted Gordon and the men in women in his unit. That trust was violated by his corrupt officers twice (tipping off the mob to move their money from Gotham banks prior to the raids, and the abduction of Dent and Rachel). Gordon's misplaced trust in his men resulted in the Mob getting away initially, Dent having to use himself as bait for the Joker in order to protect Batman, and was directly responsible for his disfigurement and the death of Rachel. Harvey was entitled to be enraged with Gordon.
That's what I like... by DoctorWho?	Jul 18th, 2008 10:08:37 AM
"This may be the first superhero sequel that's less outlandish, gadget-heavy and effects-choked than its predecessor". COOL
Batman Corrupt? of course by Animation	Jul 18th, 2008 10:12:01 AM
I havent seen the movie yet ... I will soon. I have always considered Batman corrupt. He doesnt follow the law, and he will lie when needed, even to friends. His whole purpose is to act outside the law. So, I have to say I'm curious how the Joker corrupts him. As a second issue, while I look forward to the film, I hope the Joker is funny as well as horrifying. I am a little nervous about all the 9/11 comments ... I was sorta tired of all the doom and fear mongering in real life about a month after that had happened, so I hope the stuff people keep referring to in reviews isnt eye-rolling material. Also, having been a fan of the Batman for a long time, I've already for years and years (Dark Knight, Killing Joke, and onward) been used to the idea of a dark, morally compromised Batman. If anything, at least in comics, I've become burned out on them pushing the "Gdd*med Batman" more and more to an evil bestial ape. So, in a way, I'm almost burned out on the whole dark batman thing, after, what, a couple of decades of it. Unlike other people, I dont think the ultimate goal of the Batman stuff should be down and down until there is nowhere down to go. I dont agree that this should be the last Batman film just because you cant get any nastier. The nastier you go, the MORE room you give yourself to move in a totally new direction, and it doesnt have to be silly. Anything where people are threatened and the Batman needs to save lives is a place the Batman can go. It doesnt have to be silly. Dont forget the HERO part of the character. FINALLY, yes I hope to and expect to love the movie. I'm just chatting to get some feelings off my chest. :) Thank you for your time.
square eyes and big ears.. yep. by ironic_name	Jul 18th, 2008 10:22:45 AM

re: AD's speculation about Dark Knight Returns by wash	Jul 18th, 2008 10:29:46 AM
Hell, it's not even a big stretch now to see the WB letting Frank Miller direct his own adaptation of Dark Knight Returns. Funny how things have moved in that direction. Let Nolan do one more, Do a another Superman flick or 2, and then unleash DKR. DO IT WB!
spoilers by ironic_name	Jul 18th, 2008 10:35:52 AM
look, he's dead. harvey has a eulogy. its over.. in death he became the hero gotham needed.
hmmm by j2talk	Jul 18th, 2008 10:37:28 AM
Watching this i see the late 80 early 90 comic influences from when all the comics went grim and gritty.....does that mean the next batman will be done IMAGE style????
IO two face comes back by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 10:40:48 AM
It would ruin everything that this film was about. He is dead. But Tommy Lee Jones should hang his head in shame for what he did in forever.
He look, it's a Newsie by rjmacready1055	Jul 18th, 2008 10:47:55 AM
I hear that this movie is so good, they're thinking about nominating the wait in line for tickets for an Oscar.
Too bad Bale won't let Robin into the mix. by riskebiz	Jul 18th, 2008 10:58:46 AM
The next film would greatly benefit from a young Dick Grayson. Not someone of the age of Chris O'Donell when he was Robin ... or even Burt Ward age, but someone age 12-14 as Robin like he should be. That would be interesting to add into this film series.
TWO-FACE LIVES SPOILER by tme2nsb	Jul 18th, 2008 11:17:18 AM
It's obvious it was a cover up, that is all I am saying.
Possible Villains For #3 by ericinwisconsin	Jul 18th, 2008 11:18:47 AM
Louie the Lilac Lord Fogg Catwoman (either Julie Newmar or Eartha Kitt; I ain't picky) Seriously, the Joker HAS to be back! Two Face is definitely returning. That's enough.
Ms. DuPont by acebandage	Jul 18th, 2008 11:22:19 AM
Thank you for clearing up the fact that this movie has more to do with Heat than it does the Killing Joke. THAT was what I was wondering. I'm going to see it tonight and everyone has overhyped it so much I was beginning to lose interest. I am a MUCH bigger fan of Killing Joke than I am of Heat and I think Killing Joke got the Joker character exactly right. Everyone was saying that Heath Ledger's Joker was perfect but I didn't see that in the trailers. His Joker may be AMAZING, but it wouldn't be perfect in my opinion unless I got to see the Joker from the Killing Joke. It seems that that isn't the way, so now I can leave that expectation at home and turn a deaf ear to all those people saying that Heath Ledger's Joker is perfect. Thank you.
why should they bring back the Joker!!!!! by j2talk	Jul 18th, 2008 11:26:12 AM
Batman has got enough villian, we dont need another Joker film.....this fim is enuff, next film give us something else
Devin Faraci hated TDK by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 11:34:06 AM
Made the mistake of reading D-Wads review. Is this guy always on the rag or what?
How come no review yet... by Kid Z	Jul 18th, 2008 11:38:08 AM
... from everybody's favorite red-haeaded stepchild? Why the hold up, big guy?
In one of the other reviews I posted thatI wanted Bane. by TJ Donkey Show	Jul 18th, 2008 11:42:11 AM
Here's my idea, bring back Ras al ghul with Tali (love interest for Batman), and Bane as Ras's new disciple. This creative team has the ability to make Bane a monster that even scares Batman.
Where to go for Part III. by fiester	Jul 18th, 2008 11:45:28 AM
I agree it will be near impossible to top this film size-wise--and where to go after Joker and Two-Face is a big problem. The villains that remain unused are B-list at best. It's too bad we already saw so much of Arkham or else they could opt to do a smaller, more claustrophobic film based on the Arkham Asylum book by Grant Morrison that would be a nice contrast to this large-scale film...but an Arkham flick without Joker or Two-Face is kind of pointless. Anyway, I'll be looking forward to Nolan's next Bat installment.
re: Academy Awards by veritasses	Jul 18th, 2008 11:46:18 AM
If only it were limited to just the AAs......
Hey Fiester by Mel Gibsteinberg	Jul 18th, 2008 11:51:42 AM
I have been thinking about part III as well. I wonder about the rumors of Phillip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin. What if, instead of doing the massive, large scale crime drama of Dark Knight (with touches to Heat) they turn it into a murder mystery psychopathic hunt as Batman has to track down the Penguin and his insane homicides, while confronting a caged Edward Nigman ala Silence of the Lambs? I would think Warners wouldn't have the balls to make a more somber, tonally frightening Batman movie, but hey, they gave this franchise to Noland and look what he has done, why stop trusting now. A Batman meets Hannibal Lecter style movie could be awesome, if handled correctly, and with Nolan, how can you not think it wouldn't be handled correctly?
One Complaint by Fireball XL-5	Jul 18th, 2008 11:53:39 AM
Interesting review, but I could have done without the juvenile reference to "certain older writers, who seem in their dotage to be overly startled by color and movement." We get it, Alexandra, you are NOT OLD. But until you are please try to show some respect.
Joker/Batman relationship was taken as far as it could go by Dogmatic	Jul 18th, 2008 11:57:45 AM
so that is pretty much perfect that even though Joker lived at the end you his final words summed up perfectly the message that KillingJoke was getting across....that both of these men are mad...just on other ends of the spectrum. And Batman will never kill Joker b/c he can't let Joker win that way...and Joker won't kill Batman b/c he has too much fun with him so we can assume in this Bat-verse that Joker will keep breaking out and Batman will keep taking him down over and over and over and we don't need other films to see that....so I think that was handled perfectly. So, for the next Batman film where to go what to do? Gosh, it seems Nolan has so unflinchingly made the best movie he could possibly make that a 3rd film that even has a chance to topping this seems impossible. But we want another one obviously after the whole Batman on the run motif was established....soooo.... Here is my best idea for now...do Bane...redeem that aborration that was B&R's "bane" with a true adaptation...a man who wants to rule the city and has the genius AND the physical power to back it up....have him unleash every crazy upon Gotham and put Bats thru the wringer the entire first half rounding up bad guys....(the only way to do it now is to present these other Bat-villains in a lower spotlight) until he is at his wit's end...then Bane busts him up....and wins....and the last act is Bats finding a way to come back and reclaim his city...finally winning the hearts of its people. I dunno...that is best I can think of right now. THis movie was just literally TOO good.
Mel Gibsteinberg by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 12:02:55 PM
I said something similiar on another thread, but I thought more along the lines of a Se7en type movie with the Riddler being the John Doe character. Morgan Freeman could even reprise his roll! Interesting concept that each movie would be of different genre depending on the villian(s). Plus, it eliminates the problem of having to keep a director interested for 3 or more movies. Each movie could have a different director based on the genre.
Regarding the possible take-home for this weekend... by WickedJester	Jul 18th, 2008 12:11:18 PM
Not sure if anyone saw this from the Hollywood Reporter.. The film's more than 4,366 domestic playdates is a record, surpassing the 4,362 theaters for May 2007's bow of "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End." Double- and triple-screening at many venues means "Dark Knight" will play on 9,200 screens in the U.S. and Canada. Its engagements include 94 Imax venues -- Nolan shot long segments using Imax-format cameras -- and most of those giant-screen auditoriums were sold out by midweek. A Warners exec estimated that Imax presales totaled $3.5 million, with advance ticketing for other venues adding considerably to that total. So where's the dickhead (Kai_something) saying the movie would have to 'break the space time continium' to break an opening record. 9200 screens for 4 straight days can't break 152m? Do the math now, jackass.
pillow stains by jamestewart007	Jul 18th, 2008 12:31:09 PM
ok, I didn't see it in Imax, but I was able to see the stains on his pillow when the joker comes in. Besides, most of his face would have scabbed up by then.... I also think his death is a cover up. I mean if rachel can fall 20 stories and have only the bat to break her fall, then a guy who isn't taking pain killers after having half his face burnt off can survive a 5 story fall. I doubt it was much higher than the building Sal was dropped off of.
Harvey Dent had perfectly legit reasons to turn on Gordon... by Galactic	Jul 18th, 2008 12:36:27 PM
SPOILER:::::::: It was GORDON'S men (& woman) who betrayed Dent to Joker in the first place. (With their incredibly weak pleas of "we didn't know what they were gonna do") And it was Gordon who expressed his complete trust in his officers to Dent. And I can see him becoming so blinded by rage against anyone and everyone responsible for his disfigurement and the loss of his beloved girlfriend that he would turn on Batman, IF ONLY because Batman represented a block to his revenge against Gordon. I find it surprising how many reviewers don't seem to get the fact that Dent's transformation was in no way "rushed". The nearly 2 hours of film that focused on Harvey's life BEFORE the night he became 2-Face WAS the build-up. Harvey Dent, a man whose everyday life was filled with death threats, scum of the earth, and failed attempts to do good got pushed passed his limits, and he fucking SNAPPED, ( BTW, when you hear the term "someone just snapped" does it sound like a long, slow change to you?) his views and morals flipped upside down in one terrible, Joker-induced instant. Every single thing he had to live for, all the people he believed in, the very woman he loved, all gone in one night. And the thing is, he needed someone to blame, because if not he would only be able to point the guild inwards. He started off being furous at the Joker, but when the Joker deflected all that destructive anger in other directions, it was only natural for a guy as smart as Harvey Dent to trace the lines of guilt back to Gordon, who he trusted more than anybody else in the film not named Rachel.
Best. Superhero Movie. Ever. (Spoilers) by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 12:38:04 PM
No further need for discussion. Btw, there were stains on the pillow when Dent turns his head. Its all this crust mess. Eww. The only thing that felt "huh" to me was after the Joker crashes the party and Rachel and Bats take a swan dive out the window. They land on the car and you reckon, okay, its going to cut back to the party now. Nope. It switches to a scene the next day. I thought that was weird. Hopefully this rumored 3 hour cut will make it to dvd and this scene will be more satisfyingly wrapped up. Other than that small quiblle, I have no complaints. It's a friggin' masterpiece.
"Killing Joke" Joker is no longer the defintive Joker by wash	Jul 18th, 2008 12:40:07 PM
The writers and Ledger created a great new interpretation. I find it cute that people are expecting to be disappointed if this Joker doesn't live up to the Moore version. Cute like those adorable Downs Syndrome baggers at Safeway.
Edlestein Betrays His Advanced Age (And Out Of Touchness) by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 12:40:33 PM
His negative review really was rooted in an almost sad, doddering inability to keep up with the visuals. I hope I never get that old. I'd like to think I'll always have a keen eye for such things, rather than cowering in fear of them. (Btw, he had a similar gripe with the waaaay underrated SPEED RACER -- a movie he didn't like basically because he couldn't follow the action or visuals. I think it might be time to retire, David.)
Saw it, loved it, a couple concerns. by RandySavage	Jul 18th, 2008 12:40:36 PM
While not the second coming as some have proclaimed, it is a fantastic film and is now my favorite comic book movie (Sin City and Batman Begins being 2 and 3). MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My biggest concern is how Nolan will handle the Joker in part III. You can't ignore him and an offscreen death or imprisonment doesn't do him justice. I think they are going to have to recast.
CAN WE OPEN AN OFFICIAL TDK talkback... by Sidius	Jul 18th, 2008 12:42:10 PM
.too many separate talkbacks under each review. Oh and where the hell is Harry's review? I can't wait to read about how sweaty his balls got while being trapped in the folds of his mammoth legs or how many times he came in the hair of the person sitting ahead of him..
I initially didn't think the movie would be a record breaker by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 12:45:02 PM
Based on Begins' good but not great $200 mil domestic. But I was wrong. At my megaplex, they sold out 3 midnight showings and had a fairly full but not sold out fourth showing. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT ON A MIDNIGHT SHOWING IN MY AREA BEFORE. So yeah, it'll be big. As for those who think it'll be "Bigger than titanic," I don't know, that requires a very special alchemy, where a movie has a very successful theatrical run over and extremely extended period of time. In order for that to happen, Dark Knight would still have to be a top box office contender all the way into October or November. I'm not saying it can't happen, but it is rare.
Is Harry holding is review because Hellboy 2 is going to be clob by wash	Jul 18th, 2008 12:47:17 PM
I know that comes off as bitchy specualtion, but you have to admit it's really strange.
*clobbered this weekend at the BO by wash	Jul 18th, 2008 12:47:53 PM

Randy Savage, YEAH! That's what I'm thinking! by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 12:48:15 PM
This movie definitely ended suggesting the battle between Batman and Joker can and must continue. It would seem weird now if he weren't int it, but what the hell could they do? The worst would be to recast and have the new guy try desperately to do a Heath Ledger impersonation. That would just be a disaster. I think they could recast, but we would have to be open to the new actor doing his own interpretation of the role, and the discontinuity that would have to result from that.
Hey where was this scene? Cutting room floor. by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 12:48:46 PM
http://moviesmedia.ign.com/mov ies/image/article/831/831903/t he-dark-knight-200710310545104 42.jpg
Next villain? by riskebiz	Jul 18th, 2008 12:49:15 PM
Catwoman? Black Mask? The Mad Hatter? The Penguin? Hugo Strange? The Riddler? Mr. Freeze? Who will be the next film's villain? Will it just be Two-Face returning? Nolan has said that he doesn't like or get the Penguin, though he makes the most sense as to me as the next in line. Catwoman and the Riddler seem anti-climatic as does The Mad Hatter. Black Mask is a D-list character and the same goes for Hugo Strange. Mr. Freeze seems ridiculous in this world. Two-Face is great, but having him alone seems a let down.......to me.........Nolan needs to talk Bale into having Robin introduced.
Both Nolan And Bale Said No Robin by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 12:53:25 PM
And thank fucking god for that. I LOATHE Robin. His NAMBLA-bait ass should be retconned out of existence.
Ledger's "Do you wanna know how I got these Scars?" by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 12:53:32 PM
equals Nicholoson's "Did you ever dance with the Devil in the Pale Moon Light?" I don't mean anything either positive or Negative about the comparison, just noting it's interesting they each had a "meme." Though I'm sure someone is about to argue with is lamer/cooler...
Devin Faraci is a fat, bitter little cunt. by TheLastCleric	Jul 18th, 2008 12:54:46 PM
He gave TDK an 8.5 (the same score he gave Spiderman 3) but went out of his way to trash the film. He's got a serious hard-on against Nolan, Ledger and this film in general, which is why I'm laughing my ass off as the critics praise it. What's even more pathetic are the denizens of Chud who actually suck this flabby poser's cock and agree with his nonsense.
For all those people who don't think that a third Dark Knight co by fassbinder79	Jul 18th, 2008 12:55:32 PM
Imagine this: James Gandolfini as The Penguin Daniel Day Lewis as The Riddler And one of the many talented young black actors on The Wire. Yes. Robin should be black in Nolan's Gotham.
Geez all this nitpicking about pillow stains... by Kid Z	Jul 18th, 2008 12:57:28 PM
...shut up, go home with a copy of pPenthouse and make your own "pillow stains" you nerds!
Critics called it a "dark, opressive crime drama" by RandySavage	Jul 18th, 2008 12:59:59 PM
And that had me worried that it might be a very good film, but be depressing and a bring-down at the same time (like Heat or The Professional). I was really pleased to find it was still a superhero thrill ride of a film (although darker and more realistic) with plenty of excitement and fun. I didn't find it oppressive. The audience applauded in several parts, laughed at many of Ledger's lines and seemed enraptured. Very successful flick.
I liked the final conflict. by greenstyle92	Jul 18th, 2008 01:03:31 PM
Batman having to save the hostages and keep Joker from blowing up the barge was great. I personally always felt in Begins Batman saved the city by giving Gordon the Batmobile, and that Batman's confrontation with Ra's was pointless. Well, luckily this was an improvement.
Nolan's Batman will have no SUPER characters by hoorayforeric	Jul 18th, 2008 01:07:28 PM
There will be a 3rd. But what Nolan is obviosly doing is eliminating any "super-powered/super-natural" type characters (villians or heros). Bringing anyone back from dead won't happen...and don't expect any powers...just strong minded "theatrical" criminals heroes.
Greenstyle, recasting the Joker for III by RandySavage	Jul 18th, 2008 01:08:12 PM
It's a bit of a quandary... do you ask that unfortunate replacement actor to do some of the same idiosyncrasies as Ledger created (voice, toungue-flick, headcock, walk, etc.). I think he should for continuity sake, but it could easily come off as a bad mime job. There will be some tough choices for Nolan to make. By the way, Ledger did an incredible job creating an instant classic movie villain. RIP.
No Robin, thank goodness. by fiester	Jul 18th, 2008 01:13:23 PM
Nolan has said there will be NO ROBIN in his Batman universe. How anyone could see this latest film and think "You know what would be a good idea? Have Batman start palling around with a thirteen year old kid on his crimefighting duties" is on some seriously chronic dope.
Riddler in Bat 3 by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 01:19:07 PM
Think about it. The Riddler is a liar obsessed with the truth. He gets off on his riddles becuase only he has the answers, and that gives him a sense of power. Now, Imagine that Harvey is still alive, and Gordon did have him comitted to Arkham. If knew about it, he'd be able to hold Bat's and Gordon hostage, because of their lies. If Nolan took the Riddler to a really dark place, he could be a teriffic villain!
CecilBenedict, that review is dogshit by TheLastCleric	Jul 18th, 2008 01:20:15 PM
Another arrogant cunt who basically acts as if the very nature of the material makes it impossible for it to be taken seriously. Every positive comment this ponderous tool writes is followed up with equal measures of condescension and pedantic nitpicking. Basically, TDK is too serious, too grim, and should apparently embrace its origins, though this fuckwad doesn't really know or understand what those origins really are, despite his recent trip to the Wikipedia Batman page. Also, I loathe the term pop-art; it's the smug label elitist cunts give anything they deem lowbrow, which is ironic given that Shakespeare, Jane Austin, and even Charles Dickens were technically pop-artists in their day. What really fucking annoys me however, is how we’re not allowed awe and wonder anymore; we can’t as a society sit back and appreciate something as wonderfully made as the Dark Knight without a certain number of agenda-driven cunts oozing onto the scene and nitpicking it apart with laborious, self-indulgent quips, observations and attacks on a film that these pseudo-intellectual, wannabe artists couldn’t even begin to approach even if they had the genitals to actually create something rather than sit behind a computer screen and dismantle the efforts of others. No doubt this reviewer felt a slight increase in that flaccid little penis of his when he called Nolan a director of limited talent because let’s face it, that’s what most contemporary criticism has become: little people with failure in their hearts making themselves feel important as they ridicule and demean the work of those who have actually succeeded in their ambitions. TDK is an amazing film and even going in with the highest expectations, it literally blew me away. I make no apologies for my enthusiasm and I pity the handful of dissenting voices who can’t see past their own bullshit to appreciate a genuinely great work of modern cinema.
Hugo Strange by fiester	Jul 18th, 2008 01:21:27 PM
Strange actually predates both Joker and Catwoman in Batman comics, so there's a precedent there. Nolan could look to adapt Matt Wagner's "Batman and the Monster Men" which would fit in well with the universe he has created.
Time to WAKE UP by Earthquake WestCoast	Jul 18th, 2008 01:22:51 PM
To the people calling this the BEST FILM EVER!.......think long and carefully. Don't get caught up in the hysteria of the moment. Are you really saying that this film is better than : THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, anything JAMES CAMERON made, and the LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, etc? Because, even though it was good, it WASN'T A LIFE CHANGING EXPERIENCE that most of you are making it out to be. It's JUST A MOVIE. Instead of giving so much passion and time to JUST A MOVIE, try giving the same passion and time to your family and overall life to better yourself. I'm glad you liked the film! It's a big fun event! But try to stay grounded in reality people.
THE ACTING by Professor Geek	Jul 18th, 2008 01:23:40 PM
We are witnessing one of the greatest acting performances in the history of film - Heath Ledger as The Joker.
Earthquake WestCoast by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 01:25:53 PM
Fine but would you agree with best film of the year so far?
Bagpipes and a question. by RandySavage	Jul 18th, 2008 01:25:55 PM
Final thoughts... the fact the bagpipes were in a comic book film exemplifies Nolan's attention to detail. Here's a question for those who've seen it. Why/how did the bomb go off exactly when the judge looked "up"? One of the few parts when I thought, "huh?" Nitpick, but it's a great movie which I will pay to see again.
Earthquake... by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 01:26:51 PM
Piss off daddy.
RandySavage by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 01:30:49 PM
I have no idea all i know is that part reminded me of the end of the godfather. The editing was fantastic.
Going in 3 hours by Bricktops hammer	Jul 18th, 2008 01:33:56 PM
pretty psyched
the next film will be lighter in tone by j2talk	Jul 18th, 2008 01:34:28 PM

When's Harry going to give his TDK analysis by BDuncan	Jul 18th, 2008 01:34:45 PM
It'll be good to read Harry's analysis of TDK.
Earthquake WestCoast by runfoodrun	Jul 18th, 2008 01:36:24 PM
This is a um, well, a movie talkback, so people get excited, not sure that means that they aren't putting the same energy to other parts of their lives...Also, I think this film may end up on par with some of Cameron's work, and maybe even Two Towers...(my least fav of the three, although all three were great!
Earthquake WestCoast by runfoodrun	Jul 18th, 2008 01:36:51 PM
This is a um, well, a movie talkback, so people get excited, not sure that means that they aren't putting the same energy to other parts of their lives...Also, I think this film may end up on par with some of Cameron's work, and maybe even Two Towers...(my least fav of the three, although all three were great!
the next film will be lighter in tone by j2talk	Jul 18th, 2008 01:37:13 PM
nolan has made coments to the effect of wanting to show the characters arc....
the next film will be lighter in tone by j2talk	Jul 18th, 2008 01:38:01 PM
nolan has made coments to the effect of wanting to show the characters arc....
added scene at the end? by bradlm	Jul 18th, 2008 01:39:32 PM

added scene at the end? by bradlm	Jul 18th, 2008 01:40:15 PM
ok, it was 2:45 when the movie ended, I bolted to the bathroom and to beat the traffic, did anyone stay and check if there was a scene after the credits?
bradlm by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 01:41:44 PM
Nothing there sir
Greeeaaat....more leftist 9/11 vomit.... by msspurlock	Jul 18th, 2008 01:46:19 PM
What could've been a great movie experience now threatens to be an unwatchable social commentary and hijack. Typical.
Runfoodrun by Earthquake WestCoast	Jul 18th, 2008 01:47:58 PM
I'm excited about movies too, hence why I'm even posting here. I noticed A LOT of people here seem to gone over to the side of religious cult status in the way they talk about this film. A number of us at work were reading the various forms about this film, and half the people (most who aren't fanboys) were making fun of you people, calling you PATHETIC LOSERS, ETC. I tried to tell them that most of those talkbackers are just movie fans, and how there's nothing wrong, just as there is nothing wrong for being a sport fans. Yet, it was HARD to defend more than half of you talkbackers when you're acting like cult members over JUST A MOVIE. Btw....slow dam work day!
Batman 3 by tyberious25	Jul 18th, 2008 01:51:06 PM
I loved The Dark Knight. I got to ask though how are they going to top this? I have faith that Nolan can do it though. I say bring on Riddler and Catwoman. Also I agree with you guys whoever first said it, if 3 is made Harvey will be alive in Arkham under a fake name. I love that Idea and I hope they use it.
msspurlock... by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 01:51:51 PM
What the hell! Does everything HAVE to be political? Grab whatever stick is up your ass, and shove it up as hard as you can into your brain!
Earthquake=Buzz kill by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 01:56:16 PM
Did anyone ask for your opinion? If people want to get crazy over a Batman movie. Let them! Who the hell are you to tell anyone to grow up? Who gives a fuck what you, and your fellow employees at Buger King think or say? No one douche nozzel! So why don't you go back to filling Fry Pod's, and let us have our fun!
msspurlock by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 02:01:13 PM
Why do you hate America?
WHERE is HARRYS REVIEW?!!? by TheGoose8	Jul 18th, 2008 02:05:31 PM
Where is Harrys review?!?!?! WHERE IS IT
Earthquake WestCoast by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 02:07:49 PM
Are we "cult members" honestly supposed to give a flying fuck about what a bunch of joyless, unimaginative, boring office drones think about us? I'd rather be a raving lunatic fanbot with a vivid imagination who enjoys themselves, than some numbskull jock sports fan office drone beating off to a dog eared copy of Sports Illustrated. Geeks will always be infinitely cooler and more interesting than normals.
Billis3811 by Earthquake WestCoast	Jul 18th, 2008 02:10:24 PM
You asked if anyone asked for my opinion. The answer is... YES. "AIN'T IT COOL" asked. The moment they put up these forms they asked for the opinions of everyone here. Hence "TALKBACK FORMS". Btw....the only complaint I have of the movie is....Maggie Whatshername is not an attractive lady. Dam...it was hard looking at that face on the big screen.
Maggie G Looked Cute To Me by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 02:14:40 PM
I never thought she looked all that great before, but she was attractive in this. Also, she was a more believable actress for the role than Katie "Princess Xenu Marries A Closet Homosexual" Holmes.
LaserPants by Earthquake WestCoast	Jul 18th, 2008 02:15:18 PM
You must of worked at an office before, because you've just described most of those guys right on. Ha! Except, they're not looking at Sports Illustrated, they usually have a copy of Maxium.
Nolan has adapted Frank Miller's Batman universe by Chishu_Ryu	Jul 18th, 2008 02:17:28 PM
Which mean Selina Kyle as the Catwoman formally a Gotham prostitute is probably next in line as a villain for a third Batman movie. Lucius Fox even hints to fighting cats in TDK, and with Rach gone, there is room for a new complex love interest. I can also see a possible return of Two-Face or Rhas Al Ghul to complete the character arcs.
HOLY SHIT! by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:18:36 PM
Media By Numbers says the new Batman movie from Warner Bros. brought in $18.5 million Friday from its midnight screening in 3,040 theaters.The Dark Knight" figure did not include any of its 3 a.m. or 6 a.m. showings. wowza!
Earthquake WestCoast by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 02:19:35 PM
Yeah, I used to work for an advertising agency before I became a teacher / author / artist. So, I'm well acquainted with the generalized jackassery of supremely boring dumb ass jock office retard alchoholics with no souls.
Chishu Ryu by LaserPants	Jul 18th, 2008 02:21:55 PM
I like where your head is at. I thought the line about the new armor being useful against cats was kinda odd... now I'm wondering, was that a clue?
18.5 million Friday from its midnight screening in 3,040 theater by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:22:07 PM

figure did not include any of its 3 a.m. or 6 a.m. showings. by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:23:15 PM

Dark Knight is SO dark it made me feel dirty. by scrivener	Jul 18th, 2008 02:26:06 PM
I'd say it's up there with Se7en and Silence of the Lambs on the sinister-o-meter... not because of blood and guts (there weren't really any in Dark Knight, but Two Face is FUCKED UP), but because the movie with just that mean. The entire movie was so dark and oppressive that I'm surprised the MPAA didn't give it an R despite the lack of blood or guts, for mood alone.
Hey msspurlock, this movie showed that wiretapping worked... by Coughlins Laws	Jul 18th, 2008 02:27:25 PM
Batman never would've found the Joker and saved those 2 boats if he didn't use all tha surveillance equipment...
benditlikelucas by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:28:53 PM
This movie is so good it really could have some staying power. I know i plan on seeing it again. This may just become one of the highest grossing movies of all time.
Laserpants by eXcommunicated	Jul 18th, 2008 02:31:12 PM
msspurlock wears a flag pin made in China. Go figure. About this movie. Saw it last night at the midnight showing. This whole afternoon has felt like, "...the day after seeing The Dark Knight." Anyone else have the same melancholy feeling? Like, it's the day after going to a huge concert you've been waiting all year to see? Or the day after your birthday and you have a massive hangover?
I'm goging to see it again at 4:10, in Hyannis,MA by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 02:33:47 PM

Yeah, that's right! GOGING! by billis3811	Jul 18th, 2008 02:34:13 PM

eXcommunicated by erichaislar	Jul 18th, 2008 02:34:33 PM
yes i can not stop thinking about it.
I Don't think it would be so bad to have Joker played differentl by iamnicksaicnsn	Jul 18th, 2008 02:35:15 PM
For anyone to play it like Heath did would, yes, almost just be a parody, or a lame wanna-be performance. We've had "different" Joker's in the comics for years, with everyone having a different take on him, so it wouldn't be too offensive for it to be a little different... BUT NOT TOO MUCH THOUGH. LOVE THAT JOKER! Or this one, that is.
TDK will scare the shit out of millions of kids. by Uncle Stan	Jul 18th, 2008 02:39:39 PM
Dumbass parents who take their kids to this without doing a few minutes research are in for lots of sleepless nights. This film is going to disturb a lot of children.
Best of 2008 Thus Far by FilmFan311	Jul 18th, 2008 02:44:13 PM
Spectacular on the IMAX Screen!!! Went to the Sold Out IMAX in The Mile High City and it delivered on every level imaginable! From the Joker's Opening "MAGIC TRICK" with the pencil to the rotating camera of The Joker dangling off the building at the end, this is a clusterfuck of chaos that delivers the worthwhile mention to toss your overpriced popcorn in the air! Grade "A" and I can't wait to see it again! The Joker standing outside of the EXPLODING hospital after visiting Two-Face was fantastic! IMAX is BEYOND Worth Your Money to see it! You won't be able to watch it anyway afterwards. Can't believe Rachel DIES. SPOILER ALERT.
Nicholson just took it from Heath like Jake did. by Cloaker Cobra	Jul 18th, 2008 02:44:14 PM
Ok, so first let me tell you why I personally guarantee Heath will win the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor. 1) He's Really That Damn Good. His stunted verbal cadence, his wounded eyes that are out to inflict an even greater misery upon the unknowing soul that beckons to be made aware of the futility of it all, and how to delight in that, his sheer ecstasy in finding his place in an unwelcome world—even though it is by any means necessary—is a force of nature. This is why acting exists as one of the most enduring art forms of our civilization. This is not caricature. This is a wicked and glorious descent into the primal id that no one should ever have to experience, but damn do we find something out about ourselves if ever we did. Uncompromising. How can expectations on such an icon be so surpassed? Jesus, he actually had nuanced, understated moments as the Joker, for crying out loud! Nicholson just quietly got bitchslapped and reminded that the only real acting he has done in two decades was About Schmidt, which has was probably tricked into doing while he was in-between paddling Thai hookers in his bathrobe. 2) Brokeback Mountain. Heath shoulda won, plain and simple. The Academy has a way of rewarding their talent for prior deserving work a few years down the road; witness Paul Newman, Tommy Lee Jones, Javier Bardem. Phillip Seymour Hoffman, a tremendous actor, beat him a few years ago---but Ledger's Ennis Del Mar was galaxies past Hoffman's Capote in terms of emotional conflict and complexity. Both were transformations, to be sure, but whereas PSH's was more a portrayal of a well documented—and therefore easier to emulate—public figure, Heath's dared to submerse himself in the muddled internal waters of a taboo yet personal journey. Fearless scripts, cinematography and performances are what separate film from American Pie 3. 3) The Industry Needs A Hero Even When He's Playing A Villain; Post a writer's strike last year that crippled the creative arm of the industry for months, the soon to occur Actor's strike that will do the same, amidst a slump in the industry hidden by escalating ticket prices and inordinate production and marketing costs, Heath's win will be the very thing to heal and consolidate the American film business in a very public way. The standing ovation as he is posthumously awarded and Michelle Williams takes the stage on his behalf will be deafening as all parties remember why they do what they do and how their craft can be taken away by mortality and greed outside their accord, least of all themselves. Not to mention you just positioned yourself for the amazing viewership ratings, which leads me to my last point that… 4) … The American Public Demands It; Hollywood can't afford to deny the masses on this one. Not in such a high profile way. They need to build the loyalty of the conventional movie-going public again, and what better way? This film transcends entire genres. And Heath is the centerpiece virtuoso in a film that is a symphony of some of the finest talent working their skills today. Jail cell verbal duel with Bale is your money scene that they will play, for the record. So yeah, don't just pencil him in as the winner. Carve that thing in fucking diamond now. Chris Nolan… to say he has manufactured one of the most grim morality tales, that he has single handedly redefined a modern mythology cinematically and given a previously thought incapable dramatic gravity to the proceedings, it just can't be articulated. It has to be experienced. It's a remarkably well written and directed film that should earn some accolades in their own respect. To pull this off amidst the hype and expectations and ensuing sadness from Ledger's passing, well… he pulled off a Kerri Strug here. And there is NO way he returns to direct the next installment. He's far too smart to know he can't replicate this feat a third time in a row. He'll exec produce—but he's gonna go out on top here and move on now that he has wrote his own ticket for the next 10 years. If we're lucky they'll get Aronofsky to sign while he's dropping acid. Maybe Fincher or even Del Toro if they're desperate for pet project financing. Danny Boyle could possibly pull it off if they script is bulletproof, Ewan as Riddler becomes a virtual lock, but they would have to Se7en that script hardcore. Michael Mann would be a dream choice, but it will never happen because he is one of the most brilliant directors of the last 20 years. God forbid we get stuck with the likes of Tarsem or anyone with the last name of Scott. Actually, God, just let this be the last one. Nothing can top it and anything subsequent will be like watching a hot ex-girlfriend get turned out into crack whore status. Bale—man, it's so easy to overlook him and take him for granted unless you have ovaries. His Bruce Wayne and Batman are both more demonized than one could have thought possible. Maggie Girl-Not-Katie-Holmes-Enhaal was not nearly as insufferable as her predecessor and gives her role sincerity and credibility. Oldman, Freeman, Caine—a triangulation of acting's most capable bastions that anchor the entire film and whose presences are the sole reason why this franchise kicks the living hell out of the Burton-Schumacher interpretations. I am so glad Caine pulled back on the accent a bit more here. Oldman elevates statesmanship to a new level. Freeman has one of the classiest denouements in a personification of real world shades of grey events. Aaron Eckhart is beyond reproach and will be criminally underappreciated here. And I always turn into a 10 year old girl when I get to hear Zimmer / Newton Howard scores… I possess more of their work then any other two composers. Heat was my most treasured personal film experience until this point. It was the film I always wanted to write, or direct, if things had been a different way for me occupationally. I find it fittingly ironic that Nolan refers to that film as his primary inspiration for this one. An audience of guys, girls, and geeks was enraptured continuously. IMAX provides the most visceral effect… see it no other way unless you want to be able to breathe regularly throughout. This is my weak-ass amateur reflection of my most favorite-est film ever. It doesn't have to be your favorite-est film ever, but I hope you give it a chance and see it at least 5 times to find out for sure. This film is why I can point at a screen and say "THAT'S why I collected comic books." If you want a willing partner to view with, I'll go see it with anyone, anytime, even with my most hated enemy who I have yet to encounter but I am sure we can find common ground for 2 ½ hours here. my myspace rant posted here... shared and bared for the world to see and flame.
msspurlock by Second Try	Jul 18th, 2008 02:4

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