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Great!
by the_scream
Jul 15th, 2008
03:52:24 AM
I really have no doubt now
by the_scream
Jul 15th, 2008
03:53:49 AM
The reviews are just too good to be true. To think, it was only a short while ago everyone was complaining about Heath Ledger!
Hell yeah
by eXcommunicated
Jul 15th, 2008
03:57:00 AM
I just got a check in the mail. Guess where it's going!
This will be the best movie ever!!! :)
by That 70s Venom
Jul 15th, 2008
04:00:50 AM
I can't wait til Thursday night!!
how's the action
by Prossor
Jul 15th, 2008
04:01:10 AM
whats new aside from the villains crashing a party or another bank robbery. also does the batvoice still sound like mcgruff the dog?
I could kiss christopher nolan
by TomHooligan
Jul 15th, 2008
04:01:39 AM
Every movie he does surprises me in one way or another, and i love the fact that he's trying to do something different with the superhero genre. I just finished watching the "fairly good but not great" Gotham Knight on DVD, and i just know that Nolan's film is going to raise the bar bigtime.
Prossor
by Quint
Jul 15th, 2008
04:04:13 AM
The action is much cleaner than the first movie (my one gripe with Begins), but the style's not too changed. But Bats uses his brains more than shaky-cam kung fu stuff. And if his voice bugged you in the first, it's no different here. Maybe even McGruffier. But once you can accept that his Batman voice is just as much of a disguise as his mask is, then you won't focus on it. At least I didn't.
Does Bale's Batman still have laryngitis?
by Shermdawg
Jul 15th, 2008
04:04:19 AM
could you hype me up a bit more please?
by Mr Gorilla
Jul 15th, 2008
04:04:39 AM
I'd like to be mildly disappointed when I actually see the film. Like I was with Batman Begins.
Also
by Quint
Jul 15th, 2008
04:05:28 AM
The origin of the Batpod made me want to cheer. You'll see...
Great review Quint
by TheIronGiant
Jul 15th, 2008
04:06:11 AM
Just saw it tonight and agree with you completely. It is in so many ways one of the greatest films ever lensed. I have no doubt it'll go down as a new bar for all future superhero movies to meet.
I heard a rumor that Scarcrow was in it
by TomHooligan
Jul 15th, 2008
04:08:01 AM
I love Cillian Murphy's work, hope its true
good to hear
by Prossor
Jul 15th, 2008
04:10:16 AM
the fight scenes in begins was like someone threw a camera and a cape inside a washing machine.
saw it last week
by slappy jones
Jul 15th, 2008
04:10:31 AM
and its just as good as everyone says.....its a wonderful film.
Soooooo, that concept pic of Two Face...
by Shermdawg
Jul 15th, 2008
04:10:40 AM
...just how close is it to the real deal?
Nolan for Bond 23
by DC Films
Jul 15th, 2008
04:12:15 AM
please!
Is it better than batman & robin?
by Porrohman
Jul 15th, 2008
04:20:17 AM
If so im there!!
You nailed it...
by SonOfTorah
Jul 15th, 2008
04:21:45 AM
With the comment about the fight scenes, Mr prosser, that is something i was really dissapointed with in the first film. Asfor this film, i'm going to hold back until friends have seen it, as Chris Nolan is a mediocre director at best, with absolutely nothing 'Nolan-style' about his films that makes them stand out from similar fair. Borderline a British Brett Ratner, perhaps. And of course, with his DP Mr Pfister (Mister Fister? Feester?) everything will of course be either blue or brown.
Hype
by bod33
Jul 15th, 2008
04:23:32 AM
I can honestly say i have never ever wanted to see a film so badly as i want to The Dark Knight.
SonOfTorah
by Marxeffect
Jul 15th, 2008
04:24:22 AM
Are you fucking mad?! A British Brett Ratner?! You clueless prick, fuck off back into your basement!
SonOfTorah
by bod33
Jul 15th, 2008
04:25:03 AM
You cunt.
what trailers were there?
by TheDudeintheShadows
Jul 15th, 2008
04:25:05 AM
any watchmen teasers? ben button? harry potpot?
Sherm
by Quint
Jul 15th, 2008
04:26:10 AM
Yep. That's all I'll say. Yep.
Dude
by Quint
Jul 15th, 2008
04:27:47 AM
Funny you should mention it... There was a Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince trailer shown! And it was the most amazing 15 seconds of my life. Hehe... I got excited just long enough to realize it was just the Logo and a voice saying it was going to be playing in IMAX with some scenes in 3-D (like Order of the Phoenix). Then it disappeared and Dark Knight was starting so I kind of didn't care anymore.
torah
by TheDudeintheShadows
Jul 15th, 2008
04:27:49 AM
i agree. you are shit
was that yes for the watchmen??????
by TheDudeintheShadows
Jul 15th, 2008
04:28:29 AM
you get to see it three times before I'll have seen it once
by cyrent
Jul 15th, 2008
04:29:04 AM
I hate you. not really of course, but still.
man...wish i had a time machine...
by deanbarry
Jul 15th, 2008
04:34:58 AM
...cause then it'd be Thursday morning, and i'd be sitting in a theater with a large tub of popcorn, a large coke and watching Batman. Sigh...maybe if I close my eyes really hard and concentrate. uggghh. nope, still here and now. dammit!
Dude
by Quint
Jul 15th, 2008
04:37:52 AM
I wish. I only saw that IMAX potter trailer and it had zero footage, just the logo. I'm sure the theatrical trailer will be a full on trailer, but that's all I got at the screening.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
04:37:53 AM
CANNOT... WAIT... MUST SEE THIS... NOW... AAAAAARRRRRGHHHH
I really pray for a great villain like Bane or...
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
04:39:29 AM
maybe Black Mask in the next one. But I am not entierly sure how they wanna top a movie thats got Joker and Two Face in it, at least on the villanous side of things.
aaand I hope
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
04:41:26 AM
that the Joker doesn't die in this and that he has a cameo in the thrid one. You know they could re cast him and only show him inside a cell hiding deep in the shadows, talking and laughing at the Bat. I really hope for something like that.
im hyped! If this movie is as good as they say
by haitu
Jul 15th, 2008
04:42:36 AM
IT BETTER WIN SOME GODDAMN ACADEMY AWARDS@!!
Thanks for the review.
by mrfan
Jul 15th, 2008
04:42:36 AM
Going to be a great weekend.
2 Fucking days..........
by The Guy Who Slept Through Everything.
Jul 15th, 2008
04:50:18 AM
YES!!!!!!! I may see this Friday and Saturday again, just to up the business of this thing. Hyped doesn't begin to describe my anticpation for the 2nd coming.
Crazy Gun
by Backstage Larry
Jul 15th, 2008
04:50:20 AM
I've seen The Dark Knight as well, there is no such thing.
Review
by PrincessLeias_Poohole
Jul 15th, 2008
04:51:34 AM
Thanks Quint. I didnt think it would be possible to get even more hyped for this movie, but i was wrong.
In the vague hope my words get read...
by Organs
Jul 15th, 2008
04:54:12 AM
If there's to be a third movie (you never know; the apocalypse may hit tomorrow), then I hope they don't introduce any new villains. I'd rather see Batman and Gordon deal with a monstrous Two-Face and try to reason with him and eventually ending the trilogy on a bittersweet note with the city no longer needing a Batman.

In the meantime, I'm going to hold on to some semblance of skepticism, just so I don't overhype Nolan. I mean, so many people call him a genius and I think he's anything but. I think he's just a competent director who got the dream job for which many other rabid directors would kill.
Fuck!! Quint, you sure you aren't over selling it?
by Gabba-UK
Jul 15th, 2008
04:56:19 AM
I mean I want to kick my arse into next week as much as the next geek but best picture nomination? There's no way the Academy is going to give that to a $180million summer blockbuster flick. Surely? It cant really be that good?
Oh yeah, interesting story...
by Organs
Jul 15th, 2008
04:59:32 AM
I remember the exact day the last movie opened: June 15th, 2005. I know this because on that day at about 9am, Central time, I was knocked off of a ladder and landed on my elbow, on an iron rail screwed into the concrete in a loading dock area. This shattered my elbow and it took me a week or so to even be able to see the movie, although I was hopped up on hydrocodone and oxycontin, so the dizzying car chase and sporadic, blurry fight scenes induced either a headache or a dizzy spell.

Now my mom is going in for surgery to (hopefully) remove a tumor from her liver (or get news that she'll be put on chemo). She liked the last one and is curious to see how the Joker will be, but she'll have to wait after opening weekend.

If there is to be a third movie, I wonder who will end up in the hospital next?

Sorry for the pointless post. I just can't go to sleep and I felt like relating a series of circumstances.
As about Two Face...
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
05:02:50 AM
i kinda have a strong feeling he won't be playing a part in a thrid movie anymore, but I dunno. Don't think they fully introduce him in this one and the use him again as mayor villan. Nope, they got to come up with something fresh. Maybe they bring Ra's back. That would be great! Or... let the bashing begin... Robin. I would like to have a 14 year old Robin Version which is consumed by hatred because of the death of his parents. You know, really dark, which makes Batman questions his motives again. I know Robin is younger in the Comics when he starts, but a 8 year old kid would be too much. I really hope the movies don't end with Batman dying or Gotham don't needing him anymore. That would ruin the trilogy for me totally.
SonOfTorah
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
05:04:22 AM
Fail.
Two Face in Part 3
by redfist
Jul 15th, 2008
05:08:54 AM
I am sure that they will not resolve the character in this movie and will save him for a large part of 3. Scarecrow does make an appearance from what I have heard and I like that they are streaching out some of the Rouge's Gallery...I just hope that they don't kill the joker.
oh and SonOfTorah
by redfist
Jul 15th, 2008
05:11:41 AM
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT, UNPLUG YOUR COMPUTER AND NEVER POLUTE THE INTERNET WITH YOUR LEAD-BASED PAINT LOGIN. FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK.
I watched the last one in goa
by Mr_X
Jul 15th, 2008
05:12:21 AM
an watching this one back home in londoN! thanks quint. this looks like a movie that i just have to see on the big screen in imax.. so i've ordered my tickets for the bfi imax at southbank! Woo hoo!
please
by TheDudeintheShadows
Jul 15th, 2008
05:15:51 AM
give me a watchmen teaser
Just asking (seriously) HOW much better than BB is it?
by quantize
Jul 15th, 2008
05:18:56 AM
Because i really felt that film was fucking dead flat, in spite of the fact that it had loads of great elements, i didn't care for Batman, the score was pompous and irritating and Katie Holmes was weak as piss (really, that statement in this review worried me a LOT), Cillian Murphy (whose work i like a lot) seemed ridiculously youthful and unthreatening (wacky eyes is NOT enough Mr Nolan!)..I'm NOT a HATER whatsoever, I'm always hopeful these comic book adaptations will gel into real entertainment..but Batman Begins i put down with King Kong as a cake that didn't bake too well. I'm sure rabid loons will disagree..but you can hardly pretend BB has become the solid adaptation that Iron Man, let alone the imperfect Hellboy films have.
ARGHHHHH FUCK
by hiperaktiv
Jul 15th, 2008
05:21:21 AM
2 more days! TOO LONG! I CANT WAIT TO SEE THIS MOVIE!!!!
worst line in a review ever
by baghead
Jul 15th, 2008
05:22:31 AM
"Romeo & Juliet was my favorite Shakespeare play because it had a deep affect on me as a teenager, even though I knew the ending and I knew to get invested in these characters was only going to hurt when it came about." Translation: I liked Romeo and Juliet because Shakespeare made me care about the characters even though I knew they would die. Profound. How are you not consistently called out for your consistently lame and on-the-nose reviews?
Hey Quint was there a Harley Quinn cameo?
by Cannabis Holocaust
Jul 15th, 2008
05:28:39 AM
I've heard rumors that "Dr. Harleen Quinzel" pops up in a cameo as a psychiatrist. It's pretty unlikely since I've read nothing about it in any review, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Can we get a yes or no confirmation?
Oscars
by m_reporter
Jul 15th, 2008
05:33:56 AM
The academy give noms to all kinds of crap, hell they even give the award to crap films, so I don't see why a quality film like TDK could not get some noms.

It is true that summer films rarely get noms, mostly because 90% of them are shitty, and because they are released like 7-9 months prior to the awards. And we all know that the Academy has a worse attention span than an average Michael Bay fan.

Batman Begins is the best comic book movie to date
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
05:34:38 AM
period. Iron Man was all right, but nothing more in my eyes. It was fun, but Begins was so much more. It wasn't an action funny rollercoaster typ of movie, but it was fucking deep and serious. But I have to say I'm a BIGTIME Batman Fanboy. The first time I didn't felt ashamed of sitting in a Batman movie was Begins and I allready loved everything form Nolan and Bale before Begins so it was a dream pairing for me. Hope TDK will fucking blast me through the wall. After watching Begins for the first time I couldn't talk for about 15 mintes because I was so fucking happy that I just wittnessed a Batman movie who takes my favourite character seriously.
I am seeing this in 27 hours exactly
by dogstardude
Jul 15th, 2008
05:36:36 AM
Fuck yes. For ONCE as a cinema goer, living in Australia RULES!
and for the Oscars
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
05:37:12 AM
I don't think they will give a comic book movie some of the really big Oscars, because they think it isn't serious enough. I hope I'm wrong. Would love to see Nolan get one. And, when will Bale get his first one? Hes allready better than the rest of his generation.
My batsuit nipples are getting hard
by Glamour Fairy
Jul 15th, 2008
05:41:00 AM
I can't wait for this. I don't think I've been this excited for a movie in so long.
nice one quint-sounds like it iluminated you
by pipergates
Jul 15th, 2008
05:41:25 AM
You sound like someone reeling from a deeply religious experience, or a mind opening mescaline session. Nolan is the greatest gift to superheroes ever. How can he top this?
Wally Pfister’s cinematography?Doesnt Nolan film?
by pipergates
Jul 15th, 2008
05:49:05 AM
I thought i read that he films everything himself?
The first time I didn't felt ashamed of sitting in a Batman movi
by quantize
Jul 15th, 2008
05:50:21 AM
er that doesn't make it a good flick either!
Sorry Supes and Spidey, the new undisputed...
by zapano
Jul 15th, 2008
05:53:06 AM
cinematic-comic-book-champion is Batman! Well at least judging by the near perfect reviews its getting. Christopher Nolan, I salute you
Good review
by ScottinDC
Jul 15th, 2008
05:59:29 AM
...but I'm surprised you admitted you like Kate Holmes in 'Begins'. That's called a 'Private Shame' for a reason!
2 Trillion dollar opening weekend take!
by Stuntcock Mike
Jul 15th, 2008
06:12:05 AM
I've got my tickets in hand.
wait a few more hors..then he'll say its better than Citizen Kan
by Jugdish
Jul 15th, 2008
06:15:24 AM
I hope the hype lives up to it
Oldman was to be a villain, Scarecrow mayhaps
by pipergates
Jul 15th, 2008
06:15:43 AM
Just read that Nolan first brought him in with a villains role in mind. I cant imagine him as Rhas or an assassin, don't think he would have fitted as a mafioso, so it must have been Scarecrow. Much as i liked Murphy, Oldman would have been amazing, even creepier, and of course truer to the character. He does do a very fine Gordon though, and seems to be happy about playing good guys at last. What would have been really fun was to have Oldman play both roles...
where's Harry?
by Sigmar25
Jul 15th, 2008
06:18:31 AM
haven't heard much from harry at all about Dark Knight - maybe didn't he get his free press kit?
I have never...
by myrtle_mae_simmons
Jul 15th, 2008
06:29:45 AM
looked forward to the opening of a film as much as this one.

It sucks that here in the UK we have to wait until 25th. May die of anticipation long before then.

Sigmar25
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
06:30:06 AM
Isn't Harry away for his wedding anniversary?
Anchorite...
by Hooded Justice
Jul 15th, 2008
06:31:27 AM
I have to agree with you on Batman Begins: it had a lot of problems - the casting for one: the sheer blandness of Katie Holmes, the phone-in performances from Caine and Freeman, and the ridiculous casting of 'gentle-ol'-granpa' Tom Wilkinson as a mafia boss. Utter stupidity.

But then the main problems were with the script: the theme of this movie is FEAR, so we will make sure that the word FEAR pops up in the dialogue every twenty seconds to reinforce the theme of FEAR - because we're not good enough writers to SUGGEST, IMPLY or otherwise COMMUNICATE a theme other than have characters TELL THE AUDIENCE that the theme is FEAR all the time. So the theme is FEAR, okay? For those at the back: FEAR. And if you forget in the next twenty seconds or so, don't worry, because I'm here to remind you that the theme is FEAR. That's with a capital F. And E. And A. And R. FEAR!

Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Jul 15th, 2008
06:40:05 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
I think Ledger would NOT be nominated if he were alive
by Drath
Jul 15th, 2008
06:43:26 AM
Because they'd use the same bullshit excuse they always use when we're talking about a young actor: He'll have other great performances, we'll give it to him then. They can't say that now. But I'm not convinced they'll award him now anyway because by the time they're into nominations people will say "oh you only reocgonized this performance cause he died." Which would be true ironically because that's what it takes for the politics to take a back seat to the power of the actual performance. Also, let's face it, they're not going to award a super hero movie. They just aren't. I'll be impressed if they do, as impressed as I was when Return of the King, a fantasy AND a threequel, won for Best Picture.
Christopher Nolan...
by Finding Forrestal
Jul 15th, 2008
06:44:47 AM
...is as instrumental to the evolution of the Batman mythos as Bob Kane, Frank Miller, and Bruce Timm. He successfully brought Batman back to the silver screen (and into the real world) without sacrificing an ounce of drama or betraying the essence of the character (which was almost unimaginable post-Joel Schumacher). As far as I'm concerned, BATMAN BEGINS and THE DARK KNIGHT deserve every bit of praise they receive.
Serentity now!
by Alfred_Packer
Jul 15th, 2008
06:54:58 AM
So what do we call the Nolan is God fanboys? Blackcapes?
Best Batman Film. Period.
by hallowhitch31
Jul 15th, 2008
07:10:46 AM
Saw this in IMAX yesterday. This film is a fucking juggernaut steamroller. It's 2 1/2 hours of fantastic filmmaking. Nolan has done nothing but improve since 'Begins'. The cast is so goddamned good. There's no "everyone was great... except that Holmes chick...". Ledger, Eckhardt, and Oldman are the trifecta heart and soul of this film. The worst part of 'The Dark Knight' is when it ends and you realize you've seen the best Joker performance in entertainment history... and you'll never see it again. There are a few minor plot-holes that bother me, and again, Nolan really should study up on how to stage hand-to-hand fight sequences. They're not bad... they just could be so much more. The scenes shot in IMAX took my breath away every time they filled the screen. YOU HAVE to see this in the format. It's an experience. Aside from a few minor gripes, this is the best film of 2008 and the best 'Batman' film ever.
i dont even like batman
by Mad Max Rockatansky
Jul 15th, 2008
07:11:21 AM
and i'm amped to see this movie.
Great review Quint ..
by Darth_Valinorean
Jul 15th, 2008
07:12:11 AM
.. great review. I always look for your reviews on there. This is the ultimate fanboy wetdream! Just cannot fucking wait to see this movie!
Ledgers Accent in the trailers...
by cripeman
Jul 15th, 2008
07:13:58 AM
Sounds kinda south side-ish.

Batman Begins was good. But scenes filmed on a sound stage LOOK like they were filmed on a sound stage.

Katie H didn't have the moxy to carry her role. (least I didn't think)

I have high hopes for this.

Rickey is now tumescent
by Rickey Henderson
Jul 15th, 2008
07:14:16 AM
Damn shame that this is pretty much the only decent franchise that Warners has left. Anyone else hear about them canning the "Where the Wild Things Are" movie?
The Hype Train Stops Here
by lagomorph
Jul 15th, 2008
07:16:29 AM
If I hear one more word about The Dark Knight and the Oscar I am going to go Postal, and buy a copy of Uwe Boll's Postal and sit in my living room until I've lobotomized myself through sheer force of uncomedy. I have great faith in the people involved in this movie, but it's not out yet. A handful of people have seen it, and they can't help but hype it to the moon. Part of that stems from the honor of having seen it first. I get it. It's always like that. But won't someone please think about the children? The bar is being set impossibly high.
PS:
by Rickey Henderson
Jul 15th, 2008
07:17:41 AM
Clearly, this is the best movie that will EVER BE MADE, throughout all possible dimensions, time, and space.
Remember when Adam West was vying for the role?
by Carl's hat
Jul 15th, 2008
07:17:52 AM
Seems like a million years ago...
TDK
by EssmySee
Jul 15th, 2008
07:19:08 AM
I saw this at a preview screening last night in sydney. Its fucking awesome!!! what quint says really is true. We already booked tickets for Imax on wednesday and were goin the thursday after. Best movie i've seen this year!!!!!!!
Agreed, lagomorph...
by hallowhitch31
Jul 15th, 2008
07:19:52 AM
Don't let it bother you. It's hard flipping through the boob-tube and seeing those talentless fucks on shows like E! jamming mics in the faces of Bale and Caine trying to get them to shower Ledger with praise. I will tell you this: I saw the film... yes there's a lot of hype... but most of it is well-deserved. It is a great film, not a master piece, but a GREAT film. I know you'll agree when you see it.
Nolan IS God...
by Nolan Is God
Jul 15th, 2008
07:20:57 AM
In Nolan we trust.
Why is there no Mod to contact.....
by BangoSkank
Jul 15th, 2008
07:22:44 AM
When assholes like that HarveyDent poster begin spamming every talkback with spoilers, like he did yesterday?
But did Quint like it....?
by gerzillia
Jul 15th, 2008
07:25:43 AM
I'm not so sure, that review leaves me confused.
Nolan has great fashion sense too!
by Nolan Is God
Jul 15th, 2008
07:31:54 AM
He makes Sam Raimi look like a fucking hobo. Nolan's tailored suits/films > Raimi's tailored suits/films.
knocked quint flat on his ass . . .
by chewyou812
Jul 15th, 2008
07:32:28 AM
knocked him so hard he forgot to email the winners & losers for the comic con screening of Mutant Chronicles. Sorry, had to throw that in. A couple of guys I work with entered & have been checking their emails & this web page constantly for three days.
Why So Hyperbolic?
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
07:33:31 AM
Could it be it really is that good? Man, I hope so. It looks friggin' amazing. BATMAN BEGINS is easily the best (at least its the smartest) superhero movie yet, if this sets the bar even higher, I say goddamn yeah!
F'n-A Right
by Jaffa8
Jul 15th, 2008
07:35:39 AM
I cannot wait to see this!
Just this one time....
by sundancekeed
Jul 15th, 2008
07:35:40 AM
I want the reality to equal the hype. I'm sort of telling my age here, but when I was a kid, when the Batman TV show hadn't started yet, they advertised it with a shot of the Batmobile screaming out of the Batcave and with a voiceover saying "Batman is coming." No shot of Batman whatsoever. Just that awesomely cool car. People were going nuts to see Batman. It was all kids my age were talking about at school. The playground being the 1966 equivalent of the internet, of course. And then finally, the show came out and it was good. But it wasn't great. And even an eight year old kid knew that something was kind of silly about this show even before somebody told him what "camp" meant. And now, we've got this movie. I liked Batman Begins, but it had a lot of flaws. I've been waiting a long, long time to see Batman and the Joker truly realized on film. And anything they do with Two-Face would be an improvement on Tommy Lee Jones. But just this once, I don't want to be disappointed. I want that punch in the gut that Frank Miller gave me with The Dark Knight Returns. I want The Joker of The Killing Joke. I want a tortured Harvey Dent. I want a nearly unhinged Batman/Bruce Wayne. I want it all. And the hype says I'm going to GET it all. Like I said at the beginning, just this once I hope they really got it all right.
Watchmen trailer
by Larry Sellers
Jul 15th, 2008
07:43:22 AM
Saw a screening of TDK last night. It was very good, but immediately beforehand Watchmen replaced TDK as my most anticipated film at the moment. I was very surprised at how extensively Dr. Manhattan's used in the trailer. I thought he might be some kind of visual surprise to be revealed shortly before the film, but good god he looks perfect.
Empire a giant leap forward? Are you kidding me?
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:43:42 AM
What is Gordon's character arc?
by singlewhitestar
Jul 15th, 2008
07:43:43 AM
I was sad that Oldman didn't get more to chew on in the first film, and I keep hearing about Gordon's journey this time, but there are no details. Is it really that big a secret? Can you illuminate without major spoilers, Quint?
Have either of these movies shown Gotham's mayor?
by rev_skarekroe
Jul 15th, 2008
07:45:24 AM
They should get Adam West to play the part. That'd be awesome.
So, are you saying you liked it?
by Ray Gamma
Jul 15th, 2008
07:46:49 AM
Cos I'm not sure where you stand
I really hope this movie is fantastic
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:49:06 AM
so people will stop acting like Batman Begins is a great film. It's not. It's racist and woefully inconsistent.
Racist?
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
07:51:23 AM
Hmm. How so?
chrth
by CreasyBear
Jul 15th, 2008
07:51:26 AM
You disagree about Empire?! Are YOU kidding me? Not to derail the Batman focus here, but seriously, I thought that was as accepted as the law of gravity. By the way, how's the kid doing? Last time we happened to be on the same thread, you were announcing your new status as proud papa.
Garth Franklin in his review(this is a minor spolier)
by emeraldboy
Jul 15th, 2008
07:52:08 AM
on Dark horizons said the scarecrow gets a cameo. I did read that Cillian murphy did not enjoy making Batman Begins and that he didnt get on with Christopher Nolan.
And as for Romeo and Juliet
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:52:09 AM
Romeo is a complete and utter tool. At the beginning of the play he's telling Mercutio (I think it was Mercutio) that he was totally in love with that supremely beautiful girl. And he wasn't talking about Juliet.

Teenagers: Exaggerating Everything to the Point of Lunacy Since 1500

Still "meh" for me...
by TheBigLebowsky
Jul 15th, 2008
07:52:15 AM
Sure, Ra's al Ghul was played a bit broad...
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
07:54:32 AM
...but racist? That's a bit of a stretch.
Nolan is now being refered to as the new Kubrick...
by emeraldboy
Jul 15th, 2008
07:55:58 AM
on the basis that he doesnt like giving interviews. like kubrick, there has been no leaks about this film.
Chrth...
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
07:57:18 AM
You should add "and offing themselves."
CreasyBear: Kid's doing great (and Empire)
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:57:25 AM
14 months and he's moving along fine ... a little too fine since he's wearing me out.

Look, I understand the appeal of Empire. But Star Wars was a tight, strong, centered film (well, at least until the special edition). Empire was bloated, with a lot of unnecessary sequences. Empire is the reason that the prequel movies sucked so bad, because Lucas was trying to duplicate Empire instead of the original like he should have. I would argue that Return of the Jedi was a much, much better film than Empire, but it's impossible to argue it because the immediate response is 'Ewoks'.

What it comes down to is: are you a Luke fan, or a Han fan? If you're a Luke fan (as I have always been), than ROTJ in many ways is the best film, with ANH a close second. If you're a Han fan, though, it's all about Empire.

The 'racist' part of Batman Begins
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:58:14 AM
Racist is probably the wrong word, but come on. A temple full of burning ninjas, and Wayne saves the only white one?
Romeo and juliet was written by a latin poet..
by emeraldboy
Jul 15th, 2008
07:58:36 AM
that Shakepeare really admired. So shakespeare turned the poem into a play.
acorvey25: Sadly, teenagers rarely off themselves anymore
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
07:59:17 AM
They continue whining all the way into college now (even extending into the workforce, from what I'm hearing).
ahhh, you know what?
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
08:01:01 AM
I will start to give a shit about what haters are saying. In my eyes Begins was the biggest movie of 2005 and my 2nd favorite movie of all time (No1 being Taxidriver), so if any of you didn't like it thats fine. Bale was terrific and so was Nolan in my eyes. I enjoyed it almost 30 times know and plan to see it this weekend again before i travel to fucking netherlands to see the movie early. (I'm from germany and the movie starts here end of august and I won't wait that long)
Anyone else disappointed that ...
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:02:10 AM
Nick Fury won't be showing up at the end to recruit Batman into the Avengers Project?
will start to NOT give a shit
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
08:02:19 AM
stupid german doesn't know his english. yeah, Harry, you should make a edit button available sometime.
OMG... oscars?!
by themovieslave
Jul 15th, 2008
08:02:38 AM
I certainly hope so. Ledger, okay, the buzz is crazy about him. I also think he will be nominated... But Nolan for Directing!? Seriously?! This would be the greatest fucking thing ever!!!
Batman would punch the Norton right in his green ugly face
by MariusXe
Jul 15th, 2008
08:03:51 AM
yeah, I'm still angry that Marvel beat DC in the DC v.s Marvel comics. Hulk wasn't all that by the way, even if I liked Norton very much.
haha LOVE IT Quint! gonna see it tomorrow in sydney
by couP
Jul 15th, 2008
08:06:35 AM
so so hyped..
Billie Dee Williams owened Harvey Dent!
by Zombieflicker
Jul 15th, 2008
08:06:53 AM
you know it!
Nick Fury should show up at the end of EVERY film...
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
08:09:36 AM
...to remind us about the Avenger Initiative and to make sure we properly dispose of our popcorn containers.
Nothing beats Batman '89
by Sithdan
Jul 15th, 2008
08:14:00 AM
And I mean NOTHING.
Re: Stephen King and Shakespeare
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:15:28 AM
Actually, the share something in common: they've both been accused of having something published under their name that was written by another.
chrth
by The Brains
Jul 15th, 2008
08:19:28 AM
That's the whole point- Romeo thinks he is in love with Rosaline and makes a big show of it when really, he doesn't know what it truly means until he meets Juliet.
BATMAN '89...
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
08:23:29 AM
...has aged terribly. Although it's still better than the mess that is BATMAN RETURNS and both of the cinematic abortions perpetrated by Joel Schumacher. I haven't seen THE DARK KNIGHT yet, but as far as I'm concerned the best Batman films are BATMAN BEGINS, BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHANTASM, and BATMAN '89 (in that order).
The Brains: That's one way to look at it
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:23:44 AM
The other way is that he's impetuous and given over to irrational flights of fancy (i.e. he's a teenager). I'm not arguing against Juliet, I'm just saying Romeo is a tool.
Why not save the farmer?
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:24:38 AM
You know, the whole reason the place got destroyed in the first place? Oh right, the farmer dies too with the rest of them. That made perfect sense.
I'll bet this magic pencil trick is extremely disappointing.
by Jack the Riddler
Jul 15th, 2008
08:25:02 AM
It's hyped so much everywhere it has to disappoint. Probably same goes for Ledgoker: I've read a review last week, and the guy sounded like a lone voice of reason when he said "Ledger's competent in it, but if he was still alive, nobody would even be thinking about any Oscars"...
Spiral_Jacobs: Well, it wasn't stealing
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:26:40 AM
In Shakespeare's case, there is some dispute as to whether some works have been erroneously attributed to Wm. In King's case, it's whether or not he published books that his wife wrote. To be honest, though, the King debate only happened when the books were released; Wikipedia doesn't even mention the possibility.
chrth
by The Brains
Jul 15th, 2008
08:26:55 AM
And I'm saying I disagree with your interpretation.
I still don't get it
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 15th, 2008
08:29:05 AM
Batman Begins is okay, but I'll be damned if I can work out why everyone went so nuts over it.

Never mind, not much point getting in to that again. I am curious about this new one, though. Ledger looks good, I always like Eckhart, and I suppose dreary and overly serious Batman is better than no Batman at all.

I can't be the only one who's a little sad that the
by CreasyBear
Jul 15th, 2008
08:29:21 AM
"greatest superhero movie" is a D.C. property. Haven't read comics since I was a kid, but for nostalgia's sake, I still root for Marvel. I remember that the only common ground Marvel and D.C. fans had was our united disgust at the snobbish superiority complexes of the fans of the obscure, pretentious indie comics. (Ironically, we were all of us just sixth grade geeks.)
Okay, I see that MariusXe is a kindred spirit.
by CreasyBear
Jul 15th, 2008
08:31:04 AM
The Brains: Well, it's not *my* interpretation
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:31:27 AM
But no one said you had to agree with me. Heck, the scholars don't agree:

"The nineteenth century centered on debates regarding the moral message of the play. David Garrick created a version of the play which excluded Rosaline, as Romeo's abandonment of her for Juliet was seen as reckless love at the time. Critics such as Charles Dibdin argued that Rosaline had been purposely included in the play to show how reckless the hero was, and that this was the reason for his tragic end. Critics of the time also debated whether Friar Laurence was actually Shakespeare's direct spokesman in his frequent warnings to the two lovers regarding their hastiness." (Copy/pasted from Wikipedia)

Holy shit! "Daria" was right!
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:33:46 AM
In one of the Daria episodes, someone wrote a paper on Romeo and Mercutio being homosexual. I didn't realize that was a real theory! Wow. Who knoew?
"Knew" even
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:34:07 AM
Also, re Christopher Nolan
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 15th, 2008
08:34:14 AM
What am I missing here? He's become a solid, competent maker of mainstream studio films, but - aside from Memento - I haven't seen anything great from him. What has he done to justify these excited proclamations of genius?

It's always one way or the other around here - ludicrous over-praising or preposterous over-criticism.

I can't wait for EBERT's review
by Foucault
Jul 15th, 2008
08:35:48 AM
the voice of experience
BATMAN IN IMAX RULES!!!!
by RicardoMontalban
Jul 15th, 2008
08:37:06 AM
My only complaint is that they reduced Michael Caine's role to a guy who just serves drinks. Hey movie fans, check out this awesome new blog at thebitterproducer.blogspot.com
THAT was a great, spoiler free review.
by apolo_sputnik
Jul 15th, 2008
08:37:39 AM
Thank you Quint.
Evaporating the water in people's bodies...
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
08:37:45 AM
Fanboy trolls on Begins plot: "Oh no, it was such a bad plot! I'm so smart I figured out that a microwave would evaporate the water in people's bodies too! The people that wrote Batman Begins are way more stupid than me!"

Wrong. The water in your body is a component of blood and plasma. Not the same thing as unadulterated water coming out the tap. Here, test my point: Drain a fucking pint of your own blood and leave the glass out. Then fill another pint glass with tap water. Leave that out. In two days, see which one has evaporated. Then finish draining the rest of your own blood into a bathtub.

Nolan has made two "great" films.
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
08:43:22 AM
MEMENTO and THE PRESTIGE. THE FOLLOWING was a promising debut, INSOMNIA is solid and contains an excellent performance from Al Pacino (which, if you think about it, is a rare thing these days), and BATMAN BEGINS is very, very good.
Nice review but...
by Giario
Jul 15th, 2008
08:43:26 AM
... All the Oscar talk is a bit shit. Does anyone with actual taste care about the Oscars anymore? In fact saying that this film is the kind of film that might do well at the Academy Awards almost puts me off it.
Laserhead: What are you talking about?
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:44:06 AM
Most of the water in our bodies is contained within cells. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B ody_water for all the fun numbers.
chrth
by The Brains
Jul 15th, 2008
08:44:11 AM
Daria seems a bit dykey too.
Using the info from the Wiki article
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:46:03 AM
Only 1/12th of the water in our body is contained in blood plasma. So Laserhead has obviously deluded himself.
The Brains: Hey, leave Morgendorfer alone!
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:46:37 AM
Besides, it was one of the Joeys that wrote the paper.
Chrth
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
08:46:44 AM
What the fuck are you talking about? How's that contradict what I said?

And it's accepted in academic circles that Shakespeare did write his own plays you sanctimonious bag of dogshit. Good to see you've discovered Wikipedia.

The Prestige was great?
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 15th, 2008
08:48:24 AM
The film that went well until it revealed that David Bowie built a machine that makes copies of Hugh Jackman? The one where it turned out that the guy who looked like Christian Bale in a fake beard was actually - Ta-Da! - Christian Bale in a fake beard?

Not a bad film, but have we lowered our expectations to the point that The Prestige is considered great?

Memento, granted, is pretty much a masterpiece. For that, I'll always at least be interested in whatever Nolan does.

Chrth
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
08:50:30 AM
I've deluded myself?!? Because it turns out 1/3 of body water is extracellular fluid and the rest is intercellular fluid? So what? It doesn't negate my point about Begins plot.

My god, you're a shit stain on a pair of yellowed underwear. The kind of dude that tries to be the smartest guy working the food service line, huh?

FUCK IMAX.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
08:52:03 AM
Why won't this douchy format die! You can see about a quarter, maybe a third of the screen at a time for fuck's sake. What is the damn point?
Laserhead: "How'd that contradict what I said?"
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
08:53:06 AM
You said that "water in the body is a component of blood and plasma". Only 1/12th is. You were wrong. Period. The other 11/12th of the water would evaporate, causing first your eyes to disintegrate, then your skin would start to flake and fall off, and so on until you were a lump of shrivelled flesh and fatty substance.

As for Shakespeare's authorship, all I said is that there was some dispute. I never said he wasn't the author. And I was using it as an example to draw a comparison between Shakespeare and King.

So you were wrong, and now feel the need to attack me. Get over it.

I agree Franklin.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
08:55:39 AM
I lvoe Memento and insomnia, but The Prestige fell fat on its face in my opinion. That said this review, aside from the IMAX fellatio, made me spew batcum from my batcock.
NO, it wouldn't evapoprate
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
08:56:17 AM
Chrth, you're on a roll of delusion this morning. Let's see, Batman Begins was 'racist', Empire sucked, and you speak about Shakespeare as though you once read something about him on a Burger King cup and have decided to pass yourself off as some kind of expert.

You win 'Biggest Asshole' troll.

Nice assumption that the ONLY reason someone would save the person they knew in a house full of burning ninjas is 'racism'. Fuck, your kid's got a long, long road ahead of him being raised by a fat loser at a keyboard.

And for the record
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
08:57:49 AM
I feel the need to attack you not because I was 'wrong', but because you're a sanctimonious, loud-mouthed sack of dick-suck.
HoboCode
by Rickey Henderson
Jul 15th, 2008
09:00:15 AM
May Rickey recommend sitting in the back of the IMAX theater?
Nice to see people rucking over Shakespeare
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 15th, 2008
09:02:34 AM
Not that I condone that kind of behaviour, but it's a classier kind of squabble, like two gentleman having a spat over seats at the opera or somesuch.
Rickey
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:03:17 AM
Hobo could sit in the the back row but that would still be about 25 feet from the screen.
Chrth said BB was racist? This I have to see.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:03:55 AM
Laserhead: Wow, you're taking this too personally
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
09:04:20 AM
Move on, man. Move on.
O. M. G.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:07:11 AM
Chrth's expalanation for why Begins is racist has to be one in the top five DUMBEST things a TBer has ever said on this site. Ever. The other four going to myself of course.
HoboCode
by Rickey Henderson
Jul 15th, 2008
09:07:42 AM
Rickey hears ya, the screen is daunting. Rickey had the great misfortune of seeing "300" in IMAX and was terrified by the sight of man-nipples the size of trampolines. Most theaters dont have screens that close to the seats however. And certain movies like TDK just cry out to be seen IMAX. Rickey's got his tickets booked already for this Friday--Rickey simply cannot wait.
Hobocode: I did self-correct and say 'racist'
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
09:09:38 AM
is probably the wrong word to use. I just found the whole sequence bizarre.

I also don't understand Ras' point in the whole thing. Didn't he consider something like that might happen? If Ras isn't Liam Neeson, ok, it's understandable. But Ras IS Liam Neeson, so how did he totally misread the guy he was mentoring?

Hobo
by Laserhead
Jul 15th, 2008
09:10:15 AM
If it's any consolation, I think Chrth got his 'racism' theory from Wikepedia.
chrth
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 15th, 2008
09:17:32 AM
Is definitley wrong choice of word - not probable about it.

Friendly Fred

Hobocode, the final word on Imax viewing
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
09:17:52 AM
Proper screening distance is 2-3 times the width of the screen. A 50' plasma should be viewed for I know it seems shallow in there. Imax viewing is more a 1 to 1 ratio between screen with and viewing distance. This has to do with the imersive experience they were going for and film grain being much less obvious at closer range. So sit 3/4 back (don't forget the surround back channel must be heard!). So you are correct the viewing in Imax is closer, but that's on purpose!
dam cut and paste
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
09:20:35 AM
It should have read " A 50" plasma should be viewed at 8'. The Imax is not like that, I know it seems shallow in there"
Oscar talk
by Interficium
Jul 15th, 2008
09:21:11 AM
First it was just going to be a best supporting nod for Ledger... now it's apparently going to get Best Picture and Best Director?

Hype train is totally out of control on this one.
Come on Bros!
by SpawnofAchilles
Jul 15th, 2008
09:21:28 AM
Let's make TDK the highest grossing film of all time! Fuck Titanic, It's Man Time!
Chrth is getting at something here....
by Rickey Henderson
Jul 15th, 2008
09:21:38 AM
Clearly, there are troubling elements of racism lodged withing the subtext of Batman Begins. Rickey has issues with Bruce Wayne subjugating Lucius Fox and forcing him to make his gadgets for him, much like plantation owners did in the antebellum era in U.S. history. It smacks of racism to Rickey.

Furthermore, there are profound economic issues with Batman's decision to order the ears for his cowl from a country overseas rather than purchasing domestically. In an age of outsourcing and a growing U.S. trade defecit, purchasing items in bulk from a foreign nation is completely inexscusable.

Moreover, the carbon foorprint caused by the Batmobile must be simply massive. Rickey is unsure of what kind of gas mileage a fire spewing tank gets, but it can't be good. In today's oil dependent era, isn't it up to Batman to lead the way by driving a hybrid electric vehicle?

These are all issues that trouble Rickey and Rickey thanks Chrth for bringing them to the forefront of conversation here at AICN.
Also ricky, he beats up people of aisian decent
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
09:26:09 AM
Quint - Early IMAX Showing???
by PlasmaOrb
Jul 15th, 2008
09:28:05 AM
Hey Quint... how did you get to see this early and even go back again in 15 hours to see it again? I know they have early screenings for certain people, but not sure how you get to see it in Imax (twice) before its even released. I want to know, so I can do it also ;)
I'm at work right now....
by DoctorWho?
Jul 15th, 2008
09:28:28 AM
...and I just want to get up and and get my ass to a theatre NOW! Wait...not until Friday! KHAAAANNNNNN!!!!
The Dark Knight nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
by Franklin T Marmoset
Jul 15th, 2008
09:29:16 AM
In an unprecedented move, The Dark Knight is simultaneously under consideration for a Nobel Prize for Literature, a first for a film about a man fighting crime in a rubber bat costume.
PlasmaOrb, you are not on the fucking list bro
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
09:31:42 AM
Quint, and his plus one are not you. I'm sure Quint loves it when strangers on the internet ask for favors, who doesn't? now you gonna comment on my spelling?
Sounds FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
09:32:14 AM
I'm getting all kinds of anxious. I'm trying to approach the hyperbole with a level head and I'm doing my best to avoid major spoilers. But DAMN if I'm not excited to see this film.

And I can already smell a Talkback war a' brewin'. The Batnerds will arrive in force, they'll try to tell everyone what to think, and the hilarity will ensue.

chrth
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:33:12 AM
How did he misread the guy he was mentoring? He was a mentor, not a psychic. Same thing happened to poor Pai Mei.
My theater has showings all night.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:34:34 AM
Fuck it. I'm going to the 3:30 am Thursday night.
re: Bale's Batman having 'laryngitis'
by smudgewhat
Jul 15th, 2008
09:37:56 AM
i know the voice is a put on, but it actually makes sense. Bruce Wayne needs to protect his identity as much as possible. that's why you see his Batman always keeping the head low, speaking from underneath so that his features are difficult to discern. disguising the voice is critical since he interacts with the same people (harvey dent, gordon) when he's out of costume.
I've never seen Shakespear debated on AICN
by DoctorWho?
Jul 15th, 2008
09:41:56 AM
LO! Tis is a first of great import on a site such as this. I bequeath my geekly virtues to thee in hopes thou will relinquish such folly...
re: chrth
by Max Powered
Jul 15th, 2008
09:43:44 AM
Don't let the hatas wear you down. Buncha trolling mctrollersons.

This PC society really has to let up sometime (I hope). Let's hope we can raise our kids to be better than the riffraff.

PS
by Max Powered
Jul 15th, 2008
09:45:56 AM
Speaking as an English teacher who is also a professional actor, Romeo is indeed a foolish, reckless teenager whose rash decisions get him and his friends into trouble. Don't let DiCaprio's brooding fool you; Romeo is a whiny douche.
white bad guys
by ArcadianDS
Jul 15th, 2008
09:48:00 AM
we almost had a black Two Face in the previous franchise. Unfortunately for Lando, Tommy Lee Jones was busy being in every single movie that year, so he got the role.
I have to side with John Merrick on this one
by ArcadianDS
Jul 15th, 2008
09:49:16 AM
Romeo did not love Juliet. Because Mr Merrick so perfectly explained how this is so, there is no need for me to echo that here.
Re: Batmans voice....
by DoctorWho?
Jul 15th, 2008
09:49:31 AM
I think it's great. Doesn't even sound like Bale...can't tell it's him which adds to the illusionn.
THE PRESTIGE is great...
by acorvey25
Jul 15th, 2008
09:49:44 AM
...because of its brilliantly reflexive structure and Nolan's virtuoso filmmaking. The opening scene, where Cutter explains the three parts of a magic trick, is essentially a road map for the entire film. "The Pledge," "The Turn," and "The Prestige" are the three acts of the film itself, and if you're "watching closely" (as Cutter suggests at the outset) the film gives itself away almost immediately. But unlike most "twist" films, the eventual reveal is meaningless. Just as Borden says, "the secret impresses no one... the trick you use it for is everything." Nolan is operating on the same principal here, he enjoys manipulating the audience in the same way Borden and Angier do, and he does so in such a sly and calculating way that the audience remains (almost willingly) distracted from the truth right in front of their eyes. Like a magician with a pretty assistant, we are manipulated into looking exactly where he wants us to, when he wants us to. The film, at its core, is about the power and the allure of a story and its teller. Borden sums it up best while talking to Angier at the very end of the film (no doubt conveying the thoughts of Nolan as well): "the audience knows the truth: the world is simple. It's miserable, solid all the way through. But if you could fool them, even for a second, then you can make them wonder, and then you... then you got to see something really special... it was... it was the look on their faces..."
Keaton rasped his voice too.
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
09:52:18 AM
Got to scare mofos.
Batman's Voice
by NiceGuyEddie19
Jul 15th, 2008
09:55:43 AM
It's something Michael Keaton did in Batman and Batman Returns, but to a much lesser degree. I have to admit I found it distracting in Batman Begins. At moments it was kind of silly sounding.
Chrth Is Just Being Contrarian For The Sake Of It
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
09:57:30 AM
How much you all want to bet he will be there, at IMAX, opening day, and see it several times that day, and sleep there overnight, and see it again until they kick him out, and then come here and tell us all, in meticulous detail, how much he 'hated' it, how i made no sense, and how the character of the Joker is racist against clowns. Thats right, clowns are a race now.

Btw, on the completely retarded supposition that Batman Begins is racist, did you miss the part featuring Lucius Fox, the genius inventor of all of Batman's gadgets? In case you were wondering, he is played by Morgan Freeman. Also, Ducard / Ra's Al Ghul wasn't the only white guy with the League of Shadows, he just happened to be Bruce's friend and mentor who saved him from a hellish prison.
Dude, Keaton Talked Like A Middle Manager At A Best Buy
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:05:24 AM
Seriously, Batman is supposed to be scary and threatening, not like some average Joe with a cosplay fetish. Bale is pitch perfect in every respect as Batman. His growl is a put-on to scare his enemies, to make him seem more than human. You know, theatricality? It was one of the themes of Batman Begins?
brabrabrrrbrbrarbra
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:05:36 AM
He said "I AM THE DARK KNIGHT"
What's Your Favorite Supehero Movie Anchorite?
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:07:34 AM
Ghost Rider? Daredevil? Thrill us with further demonstrations of your astonishing lack of critical insight.
DGDB you know I love Tim's Batman but the voice?
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:08:24 AM
both bale and keaton mubled, but at least with bale it's a loud mumble.
Badmouthing Burton's version
by NiceGuyEddie19
Jul 15th, 2008
10:11:28 AM
Is pointless and stupid; the only reason any of you are doing it is because you want to get on this bandwagon of Nolan geekdom. Why can't you enjoy both? If you were old enough to see Batman '89 when it came out, you liked it.
Anchorite your words suck
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:12:56 AM
Over the top, you say...look at the manboy in the mirror, cause you sir are off the chain and hook over the top like Stallone on acid.
"Like a little kid pretending to be a lion."
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:13:23 AM
You know, if you think about it, Batman really is just a little boy; a terribly emotionally wounded little boy in the body of a man who can kick the shit out of a room full of bad guys and barely break a sweat. His whole character is motivated by the death of his parents, and everything he does after that is really a part of that little kid, crying in the alley, trying desperately to mend a wound that will never, ever heal.
DGDB, I was speaking of my close and personal goth friend tim bu
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:15:29 AM
Tim's batman was the character that Keaton played...confusing language, I know. I'm confused most of the time...in fact, where the fuck am I?
LaserPants
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
10:15:53 AM
Bit rich to talk of other posters lack of critical insight when you think Terminator 3 is the best Terminator film.
Did you know his real name is Michael Douglas!
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:19:37 AM
He changed his name for the SAC registry. So Michael Douglas became Michael Keaton. true story!
Never Said T3 Was The Best Terminator, Kwisatzhaderach
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:20:47 AM
Dude, don't be an asshole. I never said T3 was the best Terminator film. I said T3 was better than T2 (and it is), BUT that neither of them were better, or even come close to the first Terminator movie, the only one that matters, the only classic of the bunch.
and douglas's real name was Michael Demsky
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:22:08 AM
and T3 is not better than T2, even on acid
The Voice
by SpawnofAchilles
Jul 15th, 2008
10:22:42 AM
While at first Bale's Batman voice is a little awkward it does make sense since as has been said he is disguising his voice but more importantly his whole deal is to strike terror in the hearts of his enemies, that's what the suit, the stealth and the voice all work towards. It's the same idea as yelling in martial arts when you deliver a blow, to scare your opponent and pump yourself up. If you had a badass vigilante coming at you from the shadows above your head, yelling in that voice you would drop a log in your shorts.
T3 was not better than T2
by Lost Jarv
Jul 15th, 2008
10:24:28 AM
but T2 wasn't great. Aside from the FX I really couldn't give that much of a fuck about it.
Max Powered
by The Brains
Jul 15th, 2008
10:27:03 AM
We weren't debating whether or not Romeo was reckless. He certainly was. We were debating whether he was really in love with Rosaline. And don't assume people here only get their knowledge from DiCaprio, that wasn't the first version I saw and I had studied the play in high school- with an English teacher that didn't describe Romeo as a "whiney douche", thank God. He used more thoughtful words. And 'PC' is when you cry 'racism' at every turn. And "professional actor" is actually meaningless. Bringing that up and saying you're an English teacher is actually quite pompous.
LaserPants: Actually, I won't be seeing it until DVD
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:28:07 AM
Dannyglovers Dickblood
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:29:20 AM
Dang, you're not a genius if you think that Burton's Batman was the best of the bunch, though. Haven't seen TDK yet, so I can't comment on it, but clearly Nolan's version is the only good one, the only one that matters, the only one worthy of the status of classic. Burton's Batman was little more than a silly, campy, goth version of the 60s show. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love campy silliness as much as the next geek, but I don't (and can't) take it seriously. Nolan's Batman takes the whole genre to the next level; intellectualizing the modern myth of comic books. Not an easy trick to pull, and he's pretty much the only one who's managed to do it, brilliantly.
Yeah, Right, Chrth
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:30:14 AM
We'll see you in a few days.
Anchorite,
by sundancekeed
Jul 15th, 2008
10:31:42 AM
you REALLY hate Batman on film, don't you? While I agree with some of what you say regarding Begins, particularly in the casting of Katie Holmes and Cillian Murphy, overall I thought the movie worked as an origin story. It probably worked best for people not that familiar with the Batman mythos, but face it, comic book movies generally are made to appeal to a wider audience than comic book readers, right? And on that level, I think it succeeded. And as far as Dark Knight goes, we simply have different viewpoints. I find the clips I've seen of Ledger both menacing and layered. It seems you're expecting the movie to suck even before you see it. I'm hoping for a much more positive experience.
LaserPants: Uh, no, you won't
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:31:54 AM
Last movie I saw in a movie theatre was, uh, Simpsons movie. Or maybe Rush Hour 3 (wife is a Jackie Chan fan). I haven't seen Ironman, Hulk, or Indy IV yet. I don't go to movies. Heck, I still haven't seen HP:OOTP.
T2 was the shit in 1991, but so were the Spin Doctors
by Lost Jarv
Jul 15th, 2008
10:33:18 AM
That sums up exactly my thoughts about it.
What is this revisionist bullshit with T2?
by HoboCode
Jul 15th, 2008
10:33:44 AM
T2 is a fucking masterpiece. What planet am I on?
BTW, I'm not a Batman Begins hater
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:33:51 AM
I just don't understand why so many people think it's the greatest superhero movie ever. It's not. Unbreakable is. But even ignoring that, how is that anyone who criticizes it immediately becomes a hater?
Yeah, one two princes here before you, that's
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:34:32 AM
what I said now.
Hey, if Ledger wins the Oscar
by Bricktops hammer
Jul 15th, 2008
10:35:08 AM
Do you think Jake Gyllenhall will accept the award? They kissed...gross!
Basic Instinct 3:Bettlejucie's Return
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:35:09 AM
A brutal murder. A brilliant killer. A dead guy who can't resist the danger.
Don't let the hype kill this for me
by Marillion
Jul 15th, 2008
10:37:51 AM
I spent the spring getting psyched for the new Indiana Jones flick and luckily was NOT disappointed.. It's a great movie..

But now all I can think about is going to see TDK.. All I can say is that this better not leave me feeling like I did way back in the 80's with the first Batman movie.

I was completely geeked to see it and all the reviews from the papers and friends got my expectations WAY WAY high. Unfortunately, I left the theater feeling amazingly underwhelmed. I kept asking my friend who had already seen it, "When does it start getting good??"

I hope to God this lives up to the hype...

I Always Thought T2:WEE WUV WOO ROBODADDY Sucked Ass
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:40:52 AM
LOVED the first one (even dated FXwise, it still stands up as a solid genre film), saw the second one and HATED it. Straight up hated the whole friggin' thing. T3 wasn't great, but it was a whole helluva lot better than T2, and it was, at the very least, good and fun to watch. Not to mention funny and exploitative. That bathroom fight scene is friggin' awesome, totally hot/sexualized, and almost grindhouse-y. T2 was a wank fest for suburban children with father issues.
Lighten up Pants
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
10:41:10 AM
Being an asshole is what internet talkbacks are all about. T2 wipes the floor with T3. In fact the opening titles of T2 wipe the floor with T3, then there's still another 145 minutes of cool shit to sit through.
"Deep Affect"?
by Mostholy
Jul 15th, 2008
10:43:21 AM
Please, learn to write. It's embarrassing. Don't you get paid for this?
T1 is a masterpiece
by Lost Jarv
Jul 15th, 2008
10:44:27 AM
T2 not so much.

Honestly, there's some appaling bollocks in there, but more than enough cool bits to carry it. It is better than T3, but both pale in comparison to the original.

Not that T2 is bad. Shit, I'm really mangling my meaning today.

re: The Brains
by Max Powered
Jul 15th, 2008
10:46:02 AM
Pomposity doesn't make it not true.

I apologize for speaking in terms the lowest common denominator could understand. Sometimes you have to speak to the masses.

Romeo wasn't in love with Rosaline. He was just another dumb teenager (albeit one gifted with Shakespeare's words) who was trying to get laid. It's all over the first act, when Romeo and Mercutio talk.

anchorite your words still suck
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:46:53 AM
yeah, superman numero uno was nice. But what about the one with Richard Prior,

NOW THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!

anchorite
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
10:49:20 AM
Spot on. Superman: The Movie wipes the floor with every other comic book movie ever made. The first 40 minutes of Superman are just sublime.
Superman 3 was AWESOME
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:50:06 AM
Ok, yeah, the whole bad guy thing was ridiculous (and I love how Richard Pryor became an instant computer programmer). But come on now: Tar Kryptonite Superman was phenomenal. And then he split and fought himself? Chills, man, chills.
Fear, Idealism, Will, Symbols, Theatricality, Failure, Redemptio
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
10:50:06 AM
All themes of Batman Begins; the only movie I have ever seen (keeping in mind I haven't seen TDK yet) which examines these themes in the context they've been hiding in for years -- the funny books. Its fucking brilliant. If you didn't get it, or it was too murky / dark, thats a matter of taste, but you can't say they weren't there. Burton's Batman was just a flamboyant display of style. Sure, the whole goth-pop-art is kinda appealing, but its really anything different than the campy 60s show.
Max Powered
by The Brains
Jul 15th, 2008
10:50:08 AM
It also doesn't make it very interesting. We figured that stuff out about Rosaline before you got involved, thanks.
I am unable to see this opening day
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jul 15th, 2008
10:51:39 AM
because I will at a Bachelor Party in Las Vegas. And I'm actually a little bit irritated now that I "have" to go! Alas, I will survive. Oh, and where's Neill Cumpston, Goddammit. These reviews just aren't exciting enough.
NiceGuyEddie19
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
10:51:51 AM
Quote: "If you were old enough to see Batman '89 when it came out, you liked it."

Uh, no. I was old enough and I did not like it. In fact, coming out of the theater, I told everyone standing in line that Batman dies. That's how much I disliked it.

A Neil Cumpston review is necessary for TDK
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:54:09 AM
Of course, it's necessary for all movies. I just hope he doesn't disappoint us.
Shut the Fuck up Donny, that will be hilarious
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:54:14 AM
You got size DD fake-ass-tities in your face and all you can think about is Batman....A true geek.
BAN Mr NIce Gauis
by Lost Jarv
Jul 15th, 2008
10:55:17 AM
Spoiling bastard,

What's that? He doesn't die? whoops.....

DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
10:55:28 AM
Yeah, but check out the cinematography in the Smallville sequences, especially the crane shot where the camera comes from behind Clark and Martha and goes over their heads towards the horizon...more majesty in one shot than Singer managed in the whole movie.
A Neil Cumpston review should be one word...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
10:55:45 AM
KICK-COCK.
Mr. Nice Gaius, you've less taste than mr happy after a shower
by g-ride9000
Jul 15th, 2008
10:56:17 AM
Burton's Batman ushered in a bar that is often set too low....like in this talkback.
Lost Jarv
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
10:57:01 AM
HA! Wrong year, man! It was BATMAN '89!
Otis and Miss Tessmacher
by sundancekeed
Jul 15th, 2008
10:58:29 AM
were completely ridiculous and nearly ruined Superman: The Movie. Neither of those roles were Ned Beatty or Valerie Perrine's finest hours. That being said, Glenn Ford should have gotten Best Supporting Actor. But Brando phoned it in. Christopher Reeve is and always will be Superman to me. I thought that both Hackman and Spacey played Luthor too broad. They made him buffoonish rather than menacing though Spacey did try to evil it up a bit. Margot Kidder was the surprise of the bunch. Initially, I just didn't like her look as Lois. But her performance won me over.
MNG: What's up?
by chrth
Jul 15th, 2008
10:58:47 AM
You didn't like Batman '89? Come on, it had the pride of Union New Jersey (my hometown) in it! (No, not Ray Liotta, Robert Wuhl. Oh wait, Ray Liotta is the pride of Union)
Some bad reviews finally came in.
by Mostholy
Jul 15th, 2008
10:59:16 AM
David Edelstein (Slate, New York: http://nymag.com/movies/review s/48514/) and David Denby (http://www.newyorker.com/arts /critics/cinema/2008/07/21/080 721crci_cinema_denby) Worth reading to keep expectations in check, particularly if you're like me and they're currently through the roof.

I should say that both reviewers seem to prefer the Burton '89 Batman, which I thought was a tremendous disappointment even as a teenager. (Batman Returns, IMHO, is a much more successful Burton film.) And Denby's the same pretentious asshole who spent a review of The Matrix 2 whining that not enough people read Cheever. (I enjoyed his GREAT BOOKS, but he needs to get over himself.) FWIW.
g-ride 9000, you think that'll be my geek pinnacle?
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jul 15th, 2008
10:59:36 AM
All the guys going are DnD freaks. Every time we place craps, we say "roll save vs. poverty!"
For those complaining about the action in BB
by strosmer
Jul 15th, 2008
11:00:42 AM
or the lack thereof, just keep in mind that it is Batman "Begins." And the final idea discussed in the first movie is "escalation." At first the action scenes in BB did bug me. I wanted something more, but after seeing it a few more times, it all settles in quite nicely. They left room for this thing to grow. From what I've seen, TDK looks to be BB on steroids in terms of action, as it should be.
Donner's Superman? Are You Fucking Kidding Me?
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
11:01:14 AM
Wait, hold up, the one where Superman makes time go backwards, on Earth, by flying really fast in the other direction? Riiiight. So what happened to the rest of the universe? it just stood still and watched? And how come the Earth wasn't ripped to shreads by gravity being torn asunder? D-U-M-B.

Seriously, man, you just lost all credibility. Even Burton's Batman is better.

Still, I do admit that the score in Donner's version is perfect, and the Krypton art design was great. Reeves is good, but Lois Lane? She looks like she's 65 years old; not even remotely attractive Pretty much everything else about Donner's version is embarrassingly bad. Then again, it is a children's movie. It was meant for 5 year olds. Batman Begins is for adults (and/or intelligent teenagers).
anchorite - Re: Superman
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 15th, 2008
11:03:34 AM
Fred can not agree. Fred thinks you are confusing epic scope - with good movie making.

Supes was indeed epic. It was a throwback to the big costume epics of fifties and early sixties. It told the story on a grand, and drawn out scale. In that it did a magnificent job. Fred can not quibble with the casting choices either - although Brando was a stretch. The plot, the ridiculous Lex Luthor plot, which still rears ugly head, Fred can forgive that - in this movie, because Hackman was very good. But what Fred can not forgive, and what ultimately sinks this film, is poor pacing.

Fred has seen a lot of movies that had epic scope, and very few directors can consistently pull off such while keeping the audience engaged throughout.

Superman does not appear on screen in his own movie until 50 minutes into it! And even then, only for a fleeting second. Too much emphasis was placed on telling the origin and giving the big name stars their moment to shine, than on showing the audience what they came to see - namely Superman doing super things.

When he finally appeared, with rousing helicopter rescue, it was great. Fred can even forgive bad effects - on cable TV in HD you can see the strings. But it was too little too late. The film had dragged. Fred liked cat and mouse between Supes and Lex, it was genuinely good moments due to great acting. But it could not save overall film, because of slow pacing. BUt Fred movuie viewing is subjective, and Fred know for a fact that some people think Mystery Men is the greatest superhero movie ever made.

anchorite
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
11:03:37 AM
BSG? Really? That's an interesting development for you. I thought Season 4's first half was good but a little uneven. It felt compressed; like they were trying their best to cram two seasons worth of story into one. However, the mid-season finale was pretty incredible and I'm really looking forward to the show's return.

BTW - I've got to hand it to you. Your hate on BATMAN BEGINS ranks right up there with I am Batman and Jeff Albertson.

LaserPants
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
11:03:45 AM
I've given up all hope for you.
Of course the New Yorker will knock it
by strosmer
Jul 15th, 2008
11:04:28 AM
It's a NY liberal snob rag. Not that I've anything against liberals, just the NY snob kind. I think after all reviews are in, RottenTomatoes will have easily a +90% rating for TDK.
The Flying Effects In Donner's Superman Were Good?!
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
11:04:37 AM
You're kidding right? They're AWFUL. Of course, that has nothing to do with Donner, it was the best they could do efx wise at the time, but cmon now, you've got to be kidding.
I've Given Up All Hope On Me Too
by LaserPants
Jul 15th, 2008
11:05:54 AM
There is no hope that I will ever like really shitty movies like T2 and Donner's Supermen.
I'm with Anchorite all the way....
by quantize
Jul 15th, 2008
11:06:45 AM
fuck the 'origin' excuses...you would have two dicks stuck in each eye and another two each ear to not have noticed Batman Begins it wasn't as completely successful as all the talk would suggest..much like King Kong fell a bit flat once reality and repeated viewings sunk in : ultimately audiences left feeling a little underwhelmed... Oh and I guess we all can see Aint I Suck Your Marketing Department is in full effect on this film. I'll take a Cloverfield Lion Sized chill pill and see this once the uncontrollable blithering has died down..no hurry.
Laserpants
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 15th, 2008
11:06:55 AM
Good luck then, enjoy T3.
MostHoly
by Freds_Balls_in_a_Mason_Jar
Jul 15th, 2008
11:07:53 AM
Fred is happy to see the great one return.
g-ride9000
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
11:08:11 AM
Sorry, but Burton's BATMAN (and Schumacher's for that matter) were so ruinous, that I wanted it ruined for everyone else. Talk about your lack of taste...
Harry's review will be one for the ages.
by Biggie Kaiju
Jul 15th, 2008
11:08:53 AM
I can't imagine how that poor guy will possibly be able to articulate his thoughts. But I'm sure we'll hear hyperbole on a level even further than the other reviews; I'm sure he'll declare it the greatest tale ever told in the history of storytelling on planet Earth. I only wonder if it will be compared to getting a simultaneous blowjob/rimjob from that "Heroes" cheerleader and Keira Knightley. Or it was so awesome he will make it his mission in life to actually suck Nolan's dick while tickling Bale's balls. He takes the word "gushing" to an entirely new level. When Harry gets done, the other reviews on this site will sound like they hated the movie. Don't let me down, Harry; I know you have it in you. Say it's better than "Citizen Kane." I'm waiting for it. Oh, and I saw the flick already; while it is fucking great, I couldn't help being a little let down because it wasn't THE GREATEST FILM EVER MADE BY HUMAN HANDS. But it is excellent, and undeniably better than "Batman Begins," which was pretty sweet to, uh, begin with. So enjoy, gang. But watch those staggering expectations.
DannyGlover, if I want to see a gashed-up filthy red maw
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jul 15th, 2008
11:09:45 AM
I'll check out a nude dancer off the strip. But I digress, I think I can go a few extra days without this little piece of "film history." But I can't promise the movie won't be brought up at least once while we're out there.
DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD
by PrincessLeias_Poohole
Jul 15th, 2008
11:11:44 AM
Supermans cinematography is awful, dont talk such bullshit. The cinematography was by Geoffrey Unsworth, one of the greatest cinematographers of all time winning 2 oscars. Next you will be telling me his work on 2001: A Space Odyssey is crap.
chrth
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jul 15th, 2008
11:13:54 AM
Howdy. No, I did not like BATMAN '89. I've found that Burton's faux goth-camp has left an unfortunate scar on what the interpretation of Batman & Co. should be. I give it two points though for Nicholson's mostly entertaining performa