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Please send me a copy
by icen9ne
Jul 14th, 2008
01:41:46 AM
of the screenplay. icen9ne@yahoo.com
Wow, they're going to make "The Red Star"?
by Holeman
Jul 14th, 2008
01:46:32 AM
Talk about a fucking hard to adapt comic. The comic itself is one of my favorites, but like say...."Dune", it'll come across as an incomprehensible mess to anyone not familiar with the source material. He would be well advised to seek life elsewhere.
Anybody seen Richie?
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 14th, 2008
01:48:35 AM
I keep coming back until someone remembers seeing Richie!
Anybody know why Richie did Bobby Lupo?
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jul 14th, 2008
01:49:17 AM
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sign me up
by RokurGepta
Jul 14th, 2008
01:50:24 AM
that sounds GGGGRrrrrrrreeeeeeeeat!!!
Fuck Red Star, Where's Red Dwarf?
by br1947
Jul 14th, 2008
02:03:33 AM
Smegheads
He needs to
by THE KNIGHT
Jul 14th, 2008
02:16:53 AM
focus more on his actors than set pieces... He'd make a great 2nd unit director because if wanted is any indication of his work with actors, then i'm not looking forward to this.

Sounds like an epic piece of shit
by judge dredds fresh undies
Jul 14th, 2008
02:34:30 AM
YAWN.
Wanted was a giant stupid poseur of a movie
by IndustryKiller!
Jul 14th, 2008
02:41:04 AM
Kind of like The Fast and the Furious made kids with beat up Pontiacs feel like they too could beat a jacked bald guy in a street race, Wanted makes dumb young guys feel like they could be assassins. Not literally of course, but in that way that you used to imitate movie characters when you were little kids....but for douche bags. Too stupid to see how they are being played like fiddles by shitty Hollywood conventions. Too thick and impatient to see it's got literally no plot, and is directed like a fucking commercial. I will never understand the public penchant for colorful slow motion action. How can one appreciate such CG crap when you have real films like The Bourne Films? One is so obviously better and more exciting and visceral than the other that I would think it would be impossible to devolve and go back to this same ole' Matrix rip off crap after witnessing it. The movie even watered down the anarchist subversion of the comic adaptation, cause you know...if you don't wanna bite the douche bag hand that feeds, ya gotta make 'em feel cool rather than pathetic. The Red Star has literally no hope.
Does it take place during the rectification of the Vuldronaii?
by newc0253
Jul 14th, 2008
02:55:49 AM
Many Shubs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!
Triforce
by tbransonlives
Jul 14th, 2008
02:56:36 AM
Isn't what link uses called the triforce?
Garbage in, garbage out, esp. if the director is a trashcan
by StanTheProgressor
Jul 14th, 2008
02:56:40 AM
I grow cynical, but there is potential for seriously high garbage multiplication factor here. Meaning, that due to Timur you'll get more and dirtier garbage _out_. Welcome to the garbage enrichment center that is Timur Bekmambetov. [Sigh] He's got ambitions, but his ego is writing checks his skills cannot cash. He tried to create a modern classic with "The Irony of Fate 2," but instead produced a stylized, soul-less piece of trash. "Wanted" left me wanting my money/time back. The man lacks the caliber to make great movies. He understands lighting, camera angles and special effects. He can't direct actors, does not know how to portray human emotions or relationships, or how to make movies meaningful beyond what's shown on the screen. Given this P.O.S. derivative/convoluted script, I expect a truly terrifyingly empty movie.
To THE KNIGHT
by StanTheProgressor
Jul 14th, 2008
03:04:35 AM
Amen brother. Spot on with the 2nd unit suggestion.
Timur Bekmambetov rocks the shit
by Cruel_Kingdom
Jul 14th, 2008
03:10:22 AM
I love this fucking Russian.
IndustryKiller is a giant stupid poseur of a human
by Cruel_Kingdom
Jul 14th, 2008
03:12:17 AM
Sir, I believe it was Gandhi who once said, "Lick my balls, douchebag."
Sword
by Uridium
Jul 14th, 2008
03:12:38 AM
Oh My, I just watched THE SWORD AND THE SORCERER yesterday and the 3-blade sword looked so crappy...! However this sounds like it could be great, nothing like a hige sci-fi epic!
I can see why Timur wants...
by TroutMaskReplicant
Jul 14th, 2008
03:19:35 AM
To abandon the third Nightwatch film. Money. Even if those films made big bucks in Russia, comparatively speaking, he was still probably making less than what a Hollywood Madam makes in a year. So if he stays in Hollywood and earns himself a few million, he can head back home and build a mansion out of fur coats and porn stars. He's still more likeable than Michael Bay, but only because he does it with bigger piles of style over substance.
Wanted Sucked Ass
by MasterBateman
Jul 14th, 2008
03:37:13 AM
But this actually sounds sorta cool. Uhhh, I'm not sure if Beaks was trying to bag on the movie or promote it, but he definitely sparked my interest.
And what is Beaks biggest contribution to the world?
by Sledge Hammer
Jul 14th, 2008
03:45:52 AM
Oh, that's right, being a whiny bitch wannabe fanboy, which in itself is incredibly derivative, especially around here. Furthermore this bloated self indulgent and whiny rant lacked any sense of originality, instead going over things that have been said a thousand times before, only here with less style and substance, clobbering us with its points with all the subtlety of a jackhammer, and all the panache of a retarded gymnast. Therefore it clearly has no worth and had no place even being written. I mean I don't like it, so no one else could possibly see any value in it whatsoever, and if they did then they're clearly less intelligent than me. Isn't that how it works?
More New Brutalism
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 14th, 2008
03:49:00 AM
This just in: Russian names sound funny
by smackfu
Jul 14th, 2008
04:15:21 AM
MrBeaks (The Real MrBeaks) has reclaimed my adoration.
by F-1000
Jul 14th, 2008
04:19:29 AM
I am once again enamored with the true MrBeaks. (E.G. - Not the drunk and/or impersonator Mr. Beaks who made a futile attempt at COMPELLING us to go see that steaming turd Wanted. I skipped it, I hope most of you did too.)

Anyway; awesome, well written, elaborate and incisive review. These are the kinds of scoops AICN was built upon.

The lesser (in seniority only) brass are really bringing the goods lately, which is really helping pull AICN through this difficult era of Emperor Harry's temporary (hopefully) insanity and excessive pandering.

The game was released
by ducki3x
Jul 14th, 2008
04:20:10 AM
Per GameSpot, was released for PS2 on 4/23/07 (the gave it a 8 out of 10 - not bad for a licenced game). It also implies PSP and Wii versions, but details seem so thin here that I have to believe these were planned but dropped...
On one hand...
by ducki3x
Jul 14th, 2008
04:31:59 AM
...I'm pleased this is moving forward - I remember talking to Gossett at ComicCon a couple of years back, and he said Timur was attached/in discussions; when I saw that Wanted was in the works, I assumed that this had died on the vine. On the other, this seems like a project that could easily generate an uber-crap script. Hopefully I can just drown out the words and enjoy the pretty (unless things take a turn for the better, or at least, leave Craptown for Medicoreville). Also, Beaks: you like Bay but dismiss Timur as a thief? I don't disagree that he lifts a lot (OK, maybe all), but at least he makes an entertaining forgery, rather than impossible-to-follow crap...the further Bay gets from his commercials and music videos, the more I hate his stuff. The man was never meant for a format more than 4 minutes long...
Even if you didn't like Wanted...
by TroutMaskReplicant
Jul 14th, 2008
04:33:17 AM
At least Bekmambetov didn't have James McAvoy fuck the audience up the ass at the end.
F-1000
by TroutMaskReplicant
Jul 14th, 2008
04:46:39 AM
"Not the drunk and/or impersonator Mr. Beaks who made a futile attempt at COMPELLING us to go see that steaming turd Wanted. I skipped it, I hope most of you did too." You got to love people who can prognosticate a film without seeing it. But soon enough they put sites like this out of business...
17 months to Avatar
by kwisatzhaderach
Jul 14th, 2008
05:10:39 AM
didn't like the video game, not so sure about a movie version.
by Stalkeye
Jul 14th, 2008
05:28:04 AM
[smug]What have you done with your life recently?[/smug]
by O_Goncho
Jul 14th, 2008
05:48:10 AM
Smug fuck. If that wasn't a fuck up the arse it was near enough to clench.
Is this a Script Review?
by Alex Childress
Jul 14th, 2008
06:15:05 AM
I didn't even know it until the end of the article. Just seemed like Beaks was bitching about Bekmembatov, and Wanted and his next project for shits and giggles. Now knowing that it is, it's hardly a balanced review. Who pissed in your cereal before you read this?
Beaks, I love you.
by savagexp
Jul 14th, 2008
06:20:49 AM
/no homo!
Indiana Jones 4
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
07:17:51 AM
off-topic, I know. But check this out: There's a book from 2002 called "The Mystery of the Crystal Skulls" here on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mystery- Crystal-Skulls-Unlocking-Secre ts/dp/1879181800/ref=pd_bbs_sr _1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1216037 539&sr=1-1 Apparantly, some reviewer guy said back then: "Janet Brennan for Fate magazine: Reads like an Indiana Jones-style adventure tale" The book seems to be pretty similar to the IJ4-story. 13 skulls, mystery in south america blablabla. Question: Did these guys get any credit or did Lucas and company just flat out steal this story?
I liked the game.
by Knuckleduster
Jul 14th, 2008
07:20:35 AM
Also, that was incredibly whiny.
Thank You, Knuckleduster
by Alex Childress
Jul 14th, 2008
07:24:32 AM
Whinier than a weak wristed toddler out in the sun. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, particularly about the script, but assuming that everybody in the world who doesn't think the same thing about a movie that came out is just kinda childish, dude. Did you write this just before nap time? Were you gassy? Did you need a new di-di?
legend of zelda
by hulkbuster
Jul 14th, 2008
07:29:02 AM
sword of time dude sword of time
whoops
by hulkbuster
Jul 14th, 2008
07:29:32 AM
also know as the master sword
my favorite thing to read on this site
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Jul 14th, 2008
08:10:47 AM
is whiny bitches whining about other people whining.

good lord.

sooo...
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
08:12:54 AM
was my comment on Indy old news, too off topic or is someone preparing an incredible articulate answer right now?
Casting must: hot chick from the end of Bourne Suprem.
by CreasyBear
Jul 14th, 2008
08:13:23 AM
Find a place for her, perhaps working in one of them furnace space ships' hot engine rooms, where a few scraps of cloth reveal beads of sweat tracing the curves of her body. I recommend this solely for the integrity of a genuine Russian in this production. And Anna Kournikova could be her assistant.
Mr. Beaks is wasting his time...
by DEX
Jul 14th, 2008
08:24:24 AM
...going through the story points of the Red Star graphic novel. Wanted had NOTHING to do with the comic despite all Timur's lip service about remaining true to the spirit of it. Perhaps Timur will introduce the "(insert mundane item here) of Fate" into Red Star.
.......
by vanchimera
Jul 14th, 2008
08:30:03 AM
What the fuck did I just read?
Sounds like Final Fantasy...
by MCVamp
Jul 14th, 2008
08:37:08 AM
...or whatever passes for story in these ADD-addled times.
WVE
by BangoSkank
Jul 14th, 2008
08:52:01 AM
I don't know about the story details, but the Crystal Skull mythology has been around for about a hundred years.... and has been a part of pulp fiction for about just as long...
Epic Flatulence
by FILMFUNK
Jul 14th, 2008
08:53:28 AM
You can't replicate the success of something by thieving from other sources and cherry picking good bits and wrapping it all up a new flashbang wollop dollop of FX driven eyecandy!, Oh wait, the Wakowski Brother/sisters did it to Asian cinema with the Wanktrix and even Ol Georgie Lucass pilfered Lord of the Rings for Starwars!

Obi Wan = Gandalf, Han Solo is Aragorn, The death Star is Mount doom and LUke Skywalker is the little farmboy Hobbit sent to deliver the ring/bomb and destroy the whole damn shebang! Oh and Darth Vader = Sauron or Sauruman or whatever but you get me drift! Hell he even knicked the glowing swords! the tea-leaf!

Right on, MCVamp
by alienindisguise
Jul 14th, 2008
08:56:26 AM
sounds like a total mess to me. I realize there's no getting away from the influence of Star Wars but this sounds like 10 different stories smashed together to amount to really nothing but maybe cool visuals..yawn.
Wanted was pretty good
by BMacSmith
Jul 14th, 2008
09:04:06 AM
@Bango Skank
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
09:18:13 AM
thx for the answer. so i guess i'm the idiot for not having heard about this skull stuff earlier. apologies to lucas and gang. but... at least i thought the whole aliens maya skull blabla was an invention of lucas to have aliens in a indy movie, now i know he wasnt that imaginative. even lazier than i thought.
Projection
by Cobbio
Jul 14th, 2008
09:27:49 AM
This DOES sound like Bekmambetov's dream project. Thanks for the info, Beaks. I like the massive cosmic scale of it, and I'll be exited as hell to see what Timur does with futuristic battles.

The only thing that makes me nervous: combining magic (Sorceresses) with science fiction (skyfurnaces). Maybe it'll work in "The Red Star" the way spice power did in "Dune," but I generally dislike combinations of such genre-crossing elements. Someone using sorcery on a spaceship? Come on, that's just lazy. What's all the technology there for then? Fact is, your society wouldn't have developed technology if magic was the most powerful element in your universe. Magic and science almost never mix. "Dune" and precious few other stories by great authors are the exceptions, not the rule. "Dune" works because the terminology is cloaked in far-futuristic philosophies and practices, so alien that we don't quite know what's magic and what's science. But naming a character in a science fiction story "sorceress" because she uses "magic" leaves no doubt. It's clumsy and lazy, in my opinion, and bends physical rules and relationships in silly ways. I'd rather not ever read it in a book or see it onscreen.

Here's to hoping the "magic" in "The Red Star" isn't really "magic," but a force based in physical possibility. And I wish Bekmambetov the best as he moves ahead with this project.

newc0253
by BetaRayBill07
Jul 14th, 2008
09:48:13 AM
IDK why, but that fits here. Great Ghostbusters reference!
Beaks' review of Wanted read like he mixed up the comic with the
by Wesley Snipes
Jul 14th, 2008
10:10:26 AM
His accusation that Wanted promoted "self-actualization through murder" was flat out inaccurate. The comic was certainly guilty of that (but then again, all of the characters in that book are villains), but the movie was simply about taking charge of your life. It never promoted killing as the means to the end; indeed, all of the hero's personal breakthroughs (telling off his boss, gf, etc) had nothing to with killing at all. Frankly, Beaks' accusation is tantamount to saying Rocky promotes self-actualization through beating up Negroes.
I Liked WANTED
by LaserPants
Jul 14th, 2008
10:26:15 AM
Yeah it was dumb, yeah we've seen it all before (basically it's FIGHT CLUB meets THE MATRIX meets SHOOT 'EM UP), but it was still fun to watch.

Actually, I think THE MATRIX would have been a lot cooler if it turned out that Morpheous and crew were actually the bad guys, a terrorist organization that uses drugs and brain washing to enlist Neo in their cause of insanity. Of course, the Smith's (aka The Man, aka The Establishment) would have to be just as bad. Of course, if this was how it played out, it would have remained a cult hit that made a modest bank rather than a bloated disappointment that made a mint.
filmfunk
by bluetunehead
Jul 14th, 2008
10:28:00 AM
did i miss something? are the hobbits wizards in training the way luke is training to be a jedi like obi-wan? what exactly was the 'ring' in star wars? star wars didn't steal from lord of the rings so much as it just followed the same traditional mythical storytelling structures.
JRR Lucas' JEDI OF THE RINGS
by LaserPants
Jul 14th, 2008
10:33:58 AM
Fretful geekdom's collective mindhole just prolapsed.
Words
by Cobbio
Jul 14th, 2008
11:02:40 AM
Captain Justice, you wrote of Bekmambetov, "He's a poser. A failure."

Really? A failure? At what, exactly? Making films that caress your personal sense of what's totally awesome in the world? Because this sounds like you projecting your personal sense of failure onto someone else.

Bekmambetov isn't the greatest filmmaker ever, I agree. He's heavily spectacle-based, no doubt, but he also worked his ass off, pulled himself up by his bootstraps in Tashkent, and got "Night Watch" made. Not an easy thing to do in Russia, to put it mildly.

I'm not a huge fan of "Night Watch" or "Day Watch," but I respect the fact he made a film that single-handedly thrust Russia into the craft of 21st century filmmaking. And with the success of "Wanted," he's pushing ahead with his career like no Russian ever has.

A failure? A poser?

Go look in your mirror.

Being Russian, Timur is perfect for this
by chien_sale
Jul 14th, 2008
11:09:41 AM
Red Star the comic was a huge allegory about Russia.
Hey Beaks, fuck off
by dr sauch
Jul 14th, 2008
11:11:46 AM
Timur is bringing fun back into cinema.
I Have A Better Idea For Him
by Media Messiah
Jul 14th, 2008
11:41:38 AM
I'm still playing with it...and am only 20 pages in, but it seems more managable than this.
I would like to include "A Clockwork Orange"
by g-ride9000
Jul 14th, 2008
12:09:18 PM
in the list of movies with non-annoying custom language and dialect. It's like have cockney street slang half Russian. It was called Nadsat.
I
by Godovhellfire
Jul 14th, 2008
12:09:35 PM
13 skulls
by Bouncy X
Jul 14th, 2008
12:13:37 PM
not sure about that particular book but, the whole 13 skulls thing is true, they exist. i dont think they found em all but some are on display in museaums. so if anything, lucas probably just took a real life idea and turned it into his Indy fantasy story.
D.Vader
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
12:14:18 PM
Hm. All I know about the history of Indy 4 is that there was an unused script by Darabont which I read 3/4 through. Great read, I thought the characters were better than the Spalko/Blanchett chick from the film (only saw the trailers anyway, will only watch Indy with Aliens when I have a remote and 12 bottles of beer with me. To quickly erase the memory). So congrats that you and others knew all along that Lucas is/was interested in skulls. To me, it was new, so think of me as not-in-the-know. And keep me up to date on what is on Lucas' mind when he does his next movie, will ya
Bouncy X
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
12:17:05 PM
I gotta admit, all Indy stories so far took more or less real life ideas and translated it to (magic) film. So skulls being also "real" shouldn't have surprised me that much.
also "WANTED" is like watching a compilation of
by g-ride9000
Jul 14th, 2008
12:18:11 PM
Other movies' action scenes. Strung together with catch phrases coming from Angelina's DSLs. "Fun back in cinema"?"The guy makes entertaining flicks with some level of artistry"?

umm these comments and others like them remind me that one should not have high expectations when it comes to Hollywood. I think the "Wanted" defenders have a point, but the sad truth is: Warshawski, Lucas, Spielberg, and other top action adventure filmmakers have borrowed with more panache, more elegants and less obviousness.

Vader D.
by Wants Vaders Executor
Jul 14th, 2008
12:33:12 PM
Your suggestion (me not really knowing that much) seems to be accurate. For example, never heard of Vic Armstrong until AICN ran this story yesterday about Mummy 3 and how Armstrong was Indy regular but not invited for the fourth movie. Bottom line, no offense taken, I'm thankful some of you educated me about story of skulls being somewhat out in the open for a while now, especially considering this is supposed to be a talkback about some russian/soviet space saga with magic sorceress flying spaceships. Lord Vader on board his mighty Executor would kick the asses of every russian magician/wannabe pilot. :-)
Wanted is a Wretched Ugly Piece of Shit
by MasterBateman
Jul 14th, 2008
01:20:45 PM
It starts out as Fight Club Jr. (fucking on the ikea desk, anyone?), proceeds to become a half-baked Matrix. Drowns itself in contrivances and plot holes (uh, they are "wanted" by the cops, but no one is able to identify him with his picture all over the fucking place?). I'm all about a stupid action movie, but this movie tries to tell us that it's something more when it's something far far less. And to Wesley Snipes (the talkbacker, not the actor), you're an idiot, because Beaks is right. It DOES promote self-actualization through murder. This loser kills a bunch of people, kills that nice Russian guy, kills his dad because he's a moron, and causes the death of hundreds of people on that train, and then proceeds to ask us "what did you do today?" The fuck did you do today? You lost your job, you killed your dad, you killed the nice Russian guy, and caused the death of hundreds of people on that train. And you did it because of an "omniscient spool of thread." You're "the man" now! Despite all these reasons, if there was a fleeting moment where I actually gave a shit about any of the characters it may have captured my interest. But the characters are never likeable, they're completely hollow, and Angelina needs to keep her bony ass covered up. Yeah, and "bullet time" doesn't save the movie either. The audience's favorite part of the movie was when Morgan Freeman is tragically reduced to a racial stereotype. Flame all you want, but this mentally retarded movie was a steaming pile of shit. I'm all about escapism, but the only thing I wanted to escape from was my seat. In a summer full of superhero movies, now we have James McAvoy's "fast heartbeat man." Remind me to shoot the wings off of a fly the next time I do a fat rail of coke. Best part of the movie is where Common and all the rest of these douches get shot in the head. Too bad, Angie missed one.
fantastic comic(s) - i hope they dont fuck up the movie
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Jul 14th, 2008
01:56:52 PM
"The Light Brigade" could be a cool movie
by JimmyJoe RedSky
Jul 14th, 2008
01:59:08 PM
BIG GUNDOWN on iTunes
by mrbeaks
Jul 14th, 2008
03:35:10 PM
La Resa Dei Conti
MasterBateman, did you really miss the point?
by Wesley Snipes
Jul 14th, 2008
03:59:38 PM
Based on your name and the non-stop spew of unprovoked insults and hilarious msg board tough guy posturing, I'm guessing your post is just a transparent cry for attention rather than a real desire to debate. But for the record, McAvoy's character obviously feels terrible for most of the murders he commits against innocents (and he didn't set out to kill a trainful of people either). And more to the point, it's not the kills that make him a new man either. It was having the confidence to take charge of his life and standing up for himself. He could have been learning how to surf for all the activity really mattered. If anything, the film was careful to highlight the immorality of indiscriminate killing. As for the film advocating harsh treatment of your enemies, that's pretty right wing but so what? You clearly support that philosophy with your "best part of the movie is where all these douches get shot in the head" comment, tough guy.
Red-Star? Red-Dwarf?
by Pum-Spak
Jul 14th, 2008
04:29:56 PM
Where the heck is Red Monika? :( Regardless, the day goes to 'newc0253' with the Rick Moranis shout out. Woot!
THIS IS GREAT NEWS PEOPLE!
by Dogmatic
Jul 14th, 2008
04:57:17 PM
I dunno about Timur directing it but this series is flat out one of the best looking and well-thought out ever! It's analogy of the illusion of the great Soviet Empire is perfection and ....to just think of seeing the massive battle between the renegade Skyfurnance Konstantinov and the one sent to bring it down....well that is gonna be an orgy of cinematic splendor! I hope.... Don't mess this up please! And it is gonna blow people's minds Matrix (the first one) and 300 style!
Seriously folks find the series
by Dogmatic
Jul 14th, 2008
05:00:14 PM
on ebay or amazon or in your local comic shop and I promise you won't be disappointed and will be looking forward to this as much as me! THis is pure geek heaven this series!
Snipes
by MasterBateman
Jul 14th, 2008
06:52:23 PM
I'm sorry baby, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings by calling you an idiot. McAvoy's character feels "sorta bad" about killing people for about 10 seconds until Angie gives him that lame story about her dad getting murdered. A story that's meant to make the audience understand why they kill people, although it's ultimately contradicted when we find out that the "magical spool" is spitting out everyone's name and that The Fraternity is actually a bunch of self important asswipes. He doesn't seem to feel so bad about killing people when he gleefully offs Morgan "mothafucka" Freeman in the end. He doesn't SET OUT to kill the people on the train, but when you're writing a narrative, it's not a good idea to have your protagonist cause the death of a bunch of civilians. Most sane people don't like a guy who does that! Or maybe just us right-wingers.... Listen, buddy, I'm not saying that the movie needs to be socially responsible. I could give two shits about that. The movie SUCKS. There is zero character development aside from McAvoy going from being a pussy to an asshole. I've never read the comic, but after you mentioned it I took a look on wikipedia and it sounds a thousand times more interesting than this trainwreck and it sounds like it actually conveys some of the messages that you are claiming the movie conveys so perhaps YOU are the one who is confusing the comic with the movie and not Beaks. Moriarty said it best in his review where he stated that the movie fails to write to theme. Tell me, Snipes, what is the movie trying to say? That you need to take charge of your life? How the fuck does McAvoy take charge of his life? He loses his job, kills a bunch of innocent people, blah blah blah. Killing = assertiveness? If there is conceivably a theme to the film, then that's what it is, and I think that's a pretty sad and ass backwards message to spend 100 million + trying to convey. I like movies that actually have something to say. I'm sorry if I frightened you with my "tough guy" positioning, I promise I play nice. And I ensure you that I'm not trying to get attention. If I wanted to stand out I would post a message that said "WANTED IS AWESOME" because just about everyone on here seems to agree that it sucked ass.
And my name...
by MasterBateman
Jul 14th, 2008
06:58:35 PM
...is a play on the name of the main character in my favorite book. Ironically Wanted also rips off the movie version of that book during several moments most notably when the ATM starts talking to him. "Feed me a stray cat" was a lot more entertaining.
Mr Beaks
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jul 14th, 2008
07:18:44 PM
Usually his stuff is some of the best on AICN but this just sounded whiny/bitchy. Tough slog of a read.
MasterBateman is the man
by pleasebanme
Jul 14th, 2008
08:33:35 PM
Excellent evisceration of film excrement.
American Psycho?
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jul 14th, 2008
09:06:57 PM
If that's your favorite book ... I really don't know what to say.
Bateman, are you sure...
by Wesley Snipes
Jul 14th, 2008
09:29:30 PM
...you're not just blinded with rage that you're McAvoy's character minus the balls to do anything in real life? Why else would you act like such an angry child? Despite all the frustration you feel right now, you must know that jumping online so that you can randomly insult strangers on the web and show the adults your new swears isn't going to fix your problems. You have to zero in on what's limiting you in this world and take action to rid it from your life. And that's exactly what McAvoy does in the film. Dead end job with a ridiculous boss? Tell her off, quit and find something better. Bitch of a gf? Dump her ass and find something better. "Friend" screwing you over? Confront him and pay it back twice as bad. That's taking charge of your life and your destiny. He's not just accepting where he is anymore. And did he kill any of those people? Nope. Are you sure you've actually seen the film? You sound as if you haven't. Oh and no, he doesn't feel bad about killing Freeman. Why should he? If you've seen the film, you'd know he has more than adequate justification for it--even real world law would acquit him for it, let alone "movie justice". As for your other ranting on the speed of the character development and blah blah, that's all wonderfully insightful, but I wasn't discussing that so kindly direct it to someone who cares.
Beaks, you've got it right
by BadMrWonka
Jul 14th, 2008
09:59:33 PM
"Lucas at least knew to couch mouthfuls like "It's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs" in braggadocio yanked right out of a B western."

absofuckinlutely. if you want to write a story that necesitates this type of new terminology (sort of a cyborg lexicon, if you'll excuse the pun, I'm more referencing bell hooks than star trek) then you have to be willing to take it in a new direction. if not, you might still make a couple hundred million, but you have no hope of a place in the pantheon of sci-fi. star wars built on old sci-fi in a new way, much the same way indiana jones built on those old serials of that type. but it took it in a new direction. star wars gave us glimpses (and lines like the one you mentioned) of this expanded universe, but it was always grounded in this tiny personal stories. the dialogue might be clunky, but the characters are not. han solo will be in the top 10 great film characters as long as people make films.

similarly, indiana jones is great because instead of being the unshaven meaty hero, with a nerdy professor sidekick, like in all those serials (or The Mummy) he is BOTH the hero and the nerdy professor.

you can build on these genres, and even on their staples, especially regarding the language and it's hints at the world, but you have to do something new.

beaks, it's good to have you back. I love a good "this movie made me cum!!" review as much as the next fanboy, but it's nice to excercise the old brain muscle like before.

I've been coming to the site since it's inception, and I think Mori and Quint are starting to really engage again in a way that I haven't seen them in a while. not knocking them, I just think they both had things going on, and spent a lot of time on sort of the logistics. quint's movie a day, some of the AMAZING interviews he's done...it's really fun, and a pleasure. welcome back to that, and to you as well.

now back to a typical argument between 2 guys named "Wesley Snipes" and "Thunderbolt Ross"...already in progress...

Wonka ...
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jul 14th, 2008
10:03:57 PM
Look a little closer.
If it's fun, I'll see it!
by Bones
Jul 14th, 2008
10:38:06 PM
The comic is fun and Iconic, like a socialist propoganda poster come to life...with lots of amazing fantasy/sci fi elements in it. If he can make it fun like Nightwatch, I am there.
RIDDICK!
by Mace Tofu
Jul 14th, 2008
11:05:55 PM
Didn't The Chronicles of Riddick with Vin Diesel kind of do the Overblown DUNE riff this script review reeks of. I'm a fan of the first DUNE film and STARSHIP TROOPERS but I hope RED STAR plays more to the latter than a bad RIDDICK mess.
Thunderbolt
by BadMrWonka
Jul 14th, 2008
11:51:47 PM
even if you're in the right...it's still unfortunately a pretty typical AICN talkback argument...

not trying to be mean...shit I have been in more than my fair share...hell I was here in the fuckin' 90's...I don't even WANT to tell you what these arguments were like when the backstreet boys were still in power...

Timur Bekmambetov
by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord
Jul 15th, 2008
01:40:52 AM
So Hollywood imported a new dog & pony show. Why? Like we didn't already have enough hackneyed half-asses more than willing to cover up their shortcomings with a nice digital post-production gloss.

Fuck.

After slogging through Night and Daywatch, I couldn't figure out why the fuck anyone gave a shit. After wasting valuable lifespan on a (free) viewing of Wanted, I'm now convinced that nobody does give a shit. They'll finance anything because they know the moviegoing public will throw fistfulls of cash at literally anything that turns up in a theater.

(In all honesty, I've known this for awhile now.)

If you like Wanted, you are on the fast-track to fuckhole.

Sorry about being a foulmouthed lowbrow ass about it, but I am aghast at the notion of this guy reaping buckets of moolah by churning out more tripe, of which we have too much to begin with.

Correction:
by FatherMcGruderKicksAssForTheLord
Jul 15th, 2008
01:44:11 AM
"the moviegoing public will throw fistfulls of cash at literally anything that turns up in a theater"

UNLESS it principally stars Eddie Murphy in a live-action role.

That is all.

Wonka ...
by Thunderbolt Ross
Jul 15th, 2008
10:45:13 AM
I said look closer because I wasn't engaged in the argument. 'Twas Master Bateman and Wesley Snipes
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