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by pendergast
Jun 27th, 2008
08:38:43 AM
1st
looks good
by pendergast
Jun 27th, 2008
08:39:54 AM
I'm there
not too bad
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
08:42:02 AM
actually
i won't read this.
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Jun 27th, 2008
08:42:36 AM
more that DK, i want to see this movie.
and the sandworm
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Jun 27th, 2008
08:43:11 AM
is just plain weird.
YAY.
by Zarles
Jun 27th, 2008
08:44:19 AM
7 hours and counting. A theater seat, my ass, digital projection, and Wall-E.

Can't. Wait.

Well-written review. I'm not much for what are
by CreasyBear
Jun 27th, 2008
08:44:56 AM
ostensibly kids-movies, but I may have to see this now.
If this gets hyped too much before I see it, I swear...
by tonagan
Jun 27th, 2008
08:45:09 AM
I will never forgive any of you. Ever!!!
Thank God no Randy Newman song...and I...
by FlickaPoo
Jun 27th, 2008
08:48:15 AM
...mean it. God...if you exist...thank you.
Why do all of the Pixar movies
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
08:50:04 AM
get insanely good reviews as opposed to live-action films? I mean... seriously. Go onto www.rottentomatoes.com and check out the scores for Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Monster's Inc., Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, etc. And now look at Wall E's score. Now... let me just say that I have seen these movies and they are good... but not THAT good. Each of these Pixar films is worthy of a 95%+ and in some cases a 100% review rating? These scores compared to live-action films are fucking nuts. What is it with all these critics who masturbate over Pixar's films? I love Pixar's work... but I would rather watch a good live-action film over a good all-CGI film any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
i had no interest at first
by zom-bot.com
Jun 27th, 2008
08:50:29 AM
the commercials do what you describe no justice. they show no story. all i saw was fat guy and clunky robot. there is NO HINT of plot really. from what i've read here, i'm really interested. thanks for the review with all of the nods to 70's sci-fi. that sealed it for me.
Im seeing this is Digital Projection...
by Redfive!
Jun 27th, 2008
08:55:11 AM
in exactly 2hrs and 7mins...
Nods to 70s sci-fi??? WTF zom-bot.com???
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
08:58:47 AM
See dude this is exactly my point, and this shit pisses me off. All of these Pixar flicks get lauded by everyone and their grandma's blow-up doll because of the pretty graphics and the "clever" adult-aimed humor. Meanwhile the ADD-saturated kiddies that are brought along to the theatre have no fucking clue as to what is going on in the story or the metaphor that the movie subtly delivers. They are just there for the pretty graphics that Pixar covers up the "important message" with. I'm sick and tired of this shit. If all it takes to get you people to enjoy a movie are references to pop culture or 70s sci fi or some other shit and a few adult jokes tossed in for good measure to satisfy the adults in the crowd then I have got to say that modern cinematic tastes have really slipped way below the threshold of quality that we used to demand of filmmakers. This is fucking bull shit. By the way I'm gonna go see this movie later today with my brother. Mother fucking Pixar... they always get my money.
Leaving work early
by Kentucky Colonel
Jun 27th, 2008
08:59:16 AM
so i gotta run. Don't tell the boss!
"It draws no conclusions"
by Darth Bald
Jun 27th, 2008
09:00:36 AM
Whew! I love all of Pixar's work, and I was very worried I was going to get another lecture from socialist environmentalists about man-made climate change, blah blah blah...If I want propaganda, I'll watch the turd that is "The Day After Tomorrow" or "Happy Feet", or just sleep through Al Gore's preachfest.
Later Kentucky Colonel
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
09:00:47 AM
tell me how it was when u get back. im gonna go see it a couple hours after u get back.
If the worm says so I'm there
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Jun 27th, 2008
09:05:53 AM
not that I wasn't anyway.
So... you LIKED it, right, Massa?
by Speed Fricassee
Jun 27th, 2008
09:08:20 AM
Kinda hard to tell.
WOW. Sounds Iron Giant good.
by Felix_Happer
Jun 27th, 2008
09:09:24 AM
I am truly excited by this review.
No Surprise!
by FILMFUNK
Jun 27th, 2008
09:13:51 AM
And you used my worm pic too!

Pixar movies get great reviews because they're great movies. More than just candy coloured for the kids they're actually worth re-watching over and over because they are so perfectly honed for everyone! My kid watches anything and we're off to see Kung Fu Panda tomorrow which I hope is at least good and holds his interest, but Pixar are his favourites, the look on his face and all his friends reacting to a movie like Toy story is priceless, like they get it on their level and are so excited by it speaks volumes to the quality of their films and he's only 3! you don't have to worry about their next movie being good!

may Pixar reign supreme for a long time to come.

And one more thing...when the second season...
by FlickaPoo
Jun 27th, 2008
09:19:13 AM
of WEEDS started with Randy Newman singing Little Boxes I almost poked my eardrums out with a mechanical pencil. Then they went on to have someone different every episode...so that was sort of OK. Still, nobody like Malvina Reynolds. Point is...Pixar needs to ditch Randy Newman for good. OK, I'm done now.
No Newman, but Peter Gabriel
by technodawg
Jun 27th, 2008
09:33:54 AM
Saw this movie last night, and it's definitely something you want to see on the big screen. If you see it on DVD, you will miss out on its surprisingly epic scope. Not only is there no Randy Newman song in its midst, but there's a pretty solid new Peter Gabriel song at the end. I sat through the credits just to listen to the tune and enjoy the usual credits silliness. I devoured every film trailer or video of this before seeing it and it does go in a direction different from what I expected.
Peter Gabriel....
by FlickaPoo
Jun 27th, 2008
09:37:50 AM
...I don't know if it's just because I was stressed out at the time...or the red wine talking, but Peter Gabriel's score at the end of Rabbit-Proof Fence had me crying like a little girl...truly. It was unacceptable...
FILMFUNK... so, by your rationale
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
09:46:27 AM
a movie is only as good as the extent to which our children enjoy it? I'll tell you what says volumes about our moviegoing culture today is the fact that the way that we measure a film's worth these days is by how our kids react to them. Fucking pathetic man. Why doesn't Pixar start making movies ONLY for adults? If they would quit catering to the "parents and their kids" crowd maybe they could unleash a hardcore fucking all-CGI ninja movie about a ninja warlord who goes on a rampage and slaughters his entire ninja clan only to be thwarted by a wandering ronin who wields the legendary Katsushimo blade (which, of course, carries mystical powers).
Pondscum... you have a good point but
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
09:50:06 AM
Pixar is not the only good studio in Hollywood. Moviegoers have just been duped into thinking that Pixar is the greatest shit to ever hit the big screen and it's simply not true. I enjoy Pixar's films but I will always stand by and champion the greatness of live-action film.
I'm may be the only person
by Series7
Jun 27th, 2008
10:03:15 AM
Who feels that Randy newmans sonogs in Toy Story can't be beaten. But Gabriels song is very good. I am amazed at how well the voice acting Pixar does, even though it was almost like a minor point in the movie, but having Sigorny Weaver and Jeff Garlin as those roles were perfect. I love how in Pixar movies, there are no side characters that are just there.
70s Venom
by MediaNerd
Jun 27th, 2008
10:08:01 AM
You're too concerned about the medium used. Live-Action, CG, 2D, it doesn't matter. Its about the performance and the story and this one hits all the marks!
That 70s Venom
by shatterglass
Jun 27th, 2008
10:11:12 AM
Why has it become a contest for you? Why do you actually care that CGI films from a studio get higher ratings than a live-action film. That seems like the biggest waste of thought I've ever heard. It doesn't and shouldn't matter. The beauty of an animated film is that the work of hundreds of talented and skilled technicians and artists created it out of nothing. It's one thing to go out and film with a camera a cool action scene or epic scene, but to actually create it out of thin air using only your imagination is something totally different. But it doesn't even matter. There's no contest here. At the end of the decade they're not going to hold an awards ceremony and say, "Well, folks, it looks like CGI movies generally got better reviews than the live-action ones so the CGI movies win. Sorry live-action movies, you shall cease to be made. Long live animation!!"
Shouldn't Massawyrm find this movie "communist?"
by HoboCode
Jun 27th, 2008
10:12:11 AM
The way it dares to slander unchecked capitalism? I'm confused Wyrm.
Environmentalist Propaganda
by thebearovingian
Jun 27th, 2008
10:13:47 AM
'Hey kids, look at how shitty your parents are. They're killing the Earth/ Universe that YOU live in. Don't they care about YOU? They'll die soon enough from their sins but you'll be left having to clean up their mess.'

I really hope that's just Massa's interpretation. "Gotta get 'em young!"

That 70s Venom
by Series7
Jun 27th, 2008
10:20:29 AM
Name one other studio that only releases quality work, and nothing else?
MediaNerd and Pondscum
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:20:29 AM
MediaNerd, it's not just the medium, though. I can imagine a live-action Wall-E being just as saturated with pop-culture bits and elitist, hippie humor. The medium does factor into it, but not enough to make the medium the core of the problem. For example, I saw Kung Fu Panda and it was better than a lot of the Pixar shit I've seen simply because they didn't try to force-feed chuckle-humor to the parents in the audience. It just came naturally and didn't feel elitist. By the way, Pondscum, I actually enjoyed Beowulf personally and I hope more movies are made similar to that, but I hope that next time the animators and CGI artists use anime-inspired choreography and artwork to translate a vision in the balls-to-the-wall CGI medium. Pixar has the ability and the money to pull off a bad ass mother fucking adult film but they keep shoving this insulting, hypocritically-aware-and-activ e, cotton-candy-cream-filled horse shit down our throats and we just eat it right up, bit by bit. And by the way, ninjas are fucking hardcore even today. Check out Ninja Gaiden 2 on the XBox 360. It just came out a while back.
Just wait
by Series7
Jun 27th, 2008
10:28:34 AM
One day there will be a Pixar movie coming out under the Touchstone banner of Disney. I won't be R, shit Beowulf wasn't even an R and it was more violent (and better) then 300. Plus look at the head of Pixar, John Lasseter, yeah he's probably got a dark side to him. But I'm pretty sure he enjoys the lighter side of life. Also when has Pixar ever tried to force-feed chuckle humor?
People who complain about Pixar not making adult films...
by Nordling
Jun 27th, 2008
10:28:55 AM
are probably not adult themselves.

It's science. You can do nothing. Einstein and Newton agree with me.

shatterglass, I hear where you're coming from but
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:29:26 AM
it still irks me. Maybe it's because I don't share the enthusiasm that the pro-Pixar demographic does. I don't see myself giving a lot of these Pixar films a 95%+ rating. When I watch the Pixar movies, I don't really feel much for them. It doesn't matter how much heart and soul they ostensibly pour into the project, it is a lot more difficult for me to relate to the characters in these films than it is for me to relate to live-action characters. Maybe I'm just oldschool like that, I don't know. And I know I'm putting pressure on the medium here, but like I said the medium isn't the main problem. I would love to see a CGI epic and I KNOW Pixar can make one that is better than Dreamworks' Beowulf.
Series7
by HoboCode
Jun 27th, 2008
10:32:07 AM
How about the studio that produced your namesake? Focus Features. Yeah it's owned by Universa, and they're not perfect but they're damn close and have made ten times better movies than anyhting Pixar has shat out.
nods to 70's sci - fi
by zom-bot.com
Jun 27th, 2008
10:32:18 AM
i'm not praising that it may make ham fisted references to particular 70's sci-fi movies, what made me glad to hear was that Massa basically said that it had the same FEELING as such flicks like silent running, etc, which at the time were just promoted as sci-fi/space fluff but usually had deeper context in regards to humanity and our often futile and confusing place in the universe.

so chill man. i'm sick of pop references too

we need to educate the children
by zom-bot.com
Jun 27th, 2008
10:39:12 AM
or else humanity's looking fucked. at least pixar teaches human morals and interpersonal relationships to kids instead of shit like pokemon. nothing wrong with a smart kids/family movie
Series7
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:39:26 AM
When has Pixar ever tried to force-feed chuckle humor? Are you fucking kidding me? Maybe I'm the only one who notices the parents in the audience who force a little chuckle out so they can attempt to impress the other parents in the audience or at least so the other parents can acknowledge that they are intellectual and new wave enough to "get" the subtlety of the jokes that the kids think are funny simply because of the slap-stick humor going on in the background. Parents feel obligated to show that they "get it" and that it's not just a kid's movie. Look at what our society has been transformed into. Our filmmakers coat our social commentary with expensive computer-generated cartoons so the soccer moms and mom-and-pop internet entrepeneurs can have a nice laugh while their kids' brains rot on ADD medication that is far more pharmacologically potent than is necessary for kids so they will sit still long enough to watch the talking CGI fish (the little guy) try to find his son Nemo (his peace of mind) in the great big blue ocean (modern society).
Point taken, Pondscum, but
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:43:23 AM
what about movies like Braveheart and Gladiator where there were no guns? All Pixar would have to do is make a movie that takes place a long time ago when there were no guns invented yet and just have ninjas going hardcore at each other and throw in some samurai for good measure and an awesome revenge plot and you've got a box office success on your hands. Sure, you will leave the kids at home for the film, but adults need movies too!
zom-bot.com, i apologize
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:45:19 AM
my bad man. i misinterpreted what u said.
"Adult" films?
by Leopold Scotch
Jun 27th, 2008
10:47:25 AM
No offence to That 70s Venom, but films that can be described as "badass motherfucking adult films" probably appeal to real adults far less than films with depth which appeal to multiple demographics.

People who look at Pixar films and see only "cotton-candy-cream-filled horse shit" and overt preaching are missing out on a lot. The appeal of Pixar films is never about the lesson of the day or the "adorable" characters (though if I read another Walle review which uses that word again, I may go mad): it's the visual beauty, the original premise, the characterization, the universal themes, etc. Some of my friends sit in silent embarrassment for me when I say that I'm really looking forward to Walle (and I don't get to see it til mid-July: dammit!) or that I absolutely love The Incredibles. They think that films can only be enjoyed on one level and that Pixar films aren't intended for me. They're way too self-conscious in that regard, and its their loss.
HoboCode
by Series7
Jun 27th, 2008
10:48:46 AM
Focus features is a distributor mainly. And movies like Waist Deep, Scoop, Catch a Fire, and Dan in Real Life aren't good. And movie that they produced The Ice Harvest, Assault on Precinct 13, The Hitcher, The Other Boleyn Girl and They are proof that they make movies mainly for money.

What did Focus have to do with Series 7? That was an independent movie. Yeah they may have Ethernal Sunshin, The Pianast, Mean Creek, Brick, Shaun of the dead and the DVD rights for Orgazmo. But most of there movies won't be talked about outside of the year they were released.

70 Venom
by FILMFUNK
Jun 27th, 2008
10:53:39 AM
I didn't say that! I said they are more than just kids films! They are concidered films for kids but they are first and foremost great movies. It's wonderful to see my kid sit for 2 hours absolutely glued to the screen when he's watching a pixar film much like I was with Starwars or Ray Harryhausen rather than getting itchy at shit like Alvin and the Chipmunks or completeley bored to tears by Nims Island, in my opinion this proves that Pixar are master movie craftsmen! whether you like kids films or not(and I don't concider them exclusively for kids especially The Incredibles) as rather for the kid in all of us! Sounds like you might have lost yours. At least you have a Ninja Panda film to watch, although, look out! it might just be, you know, for kids!
Leopold Scotch
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
10:55:59 AM
I respect what you said, but make no mistake, I do not shun Pixar films because of some kind of tough guy, too-cool-for-school attitude where I feel like I'm too old to enjoy a CGI cartoon. I enjoy the movies to an extent, but Pixar's schtick, if you will, has run it's course. With all due respect to the creative minds that conjure up these films, it's just not doing it for me anymore. I was digging it for a while with the 2 Toy Story movies and then after the first 4 or 5 CGI films it started to drag a bit and now it's just getting worse for me. I just want Pixar to do something different. I want them to change it up a bit and do like a dark film or something. I don't mean "adult" as in it HAS to have beheadings and blood-spatterings and pixelized titties flopping around on the screen, but a little less slap-stick humor wouldn't hurt and humanoid characters would be nice for a change, and I don't mean humanoid like the misshapen characters from The Incredibles but how about characters that sort of resemble how the characters looked in Disney's oldschool Sleeping Beauty or something like that.
Planty
by redfist
Jun 27th, 2008
11:00:21 AM
preachy eco crap! J/K, I am down for this movie, but my wife is taking me to see KITE RUNNER!!!!!
Getting kids to sit still.
by HoboCode
Jun 27th, 2008
11:00:21 AM
so this has become the litmus test for good filmmaking? Whether or not a film can suppress a child's natural desire to play and move around. Awesome.
RE: FILMFUNK
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:01:20 AM
No way man my inner child is still very much in my soul. That's why I'm looking forward to The Dark Knight so much and that's why I enjoyed the new Indy film (although it could have been better obviously). Kung Fu Panda had some pretty good moments in it, I don't know if you saw it or not. But at least it wasn't laced with social commentary throughout. All I am saying is that the whole "hey let's disguise this as a family film" thing is getting old.
and btw good point HoboCode
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:02:27 AM
very good point. the kids that sit still long enough to watch the Pixar films are the ones who are given their daily dose of Adderal before they leave their house for the theatre, obviously.
70's Venom...
by jerseycajun
Jun 27th, 2008
11:05:55 AM
Maybe it's just my skeptical nature but that's a helluva psychoanalysis you're able to do in the dark, in a movie theater filled with lots of families. Makes one wonder just how much of the actual movie you're able to absorb yourself, with your attention being so diverted with how other people are watching the film.
Humanoids and CGI
by Leopold Scotch
Jun 27th, 2008
11:13:04 AM
Aside from how expensive it is to create more realistic human characters through CG, I think one of the main reasons this isn't done is that they end up looking slightly off, like kinda creepy. I think that's why they took the direction that they did for The Incredibles. The better option would probably be to integrate CG into live action. As such, I suppose the Pixar heads would be worried about what such a project would mean for them as a studio widely perceived to be unique in its endevors and successes. There may be no reason to assume that they couldn't make a successful live action effects movie, but the same can be said of any big studio.

I know if I was an exec at a studio which has attracted the devotion and adoration of multiple demographics and critics (as well as having LESS feature films that haven't won Oscars than those that have), I would shy away from producing something that is already so pervasive in the industry right now.

Why doesn't Aardman studios make a porno? Why doesn't Woody Allen direct Neurotic Comedian Movie for next summer? Why doesn't Myazaki do a romantic comedy?

Because the world is already flooded with these on a constant basis. Sure, it would be interesting to see the twist or the identity that these artists lend to their takes on the genres, but then there's the risk that they're abandoning whatever distinguishes their projects from everyone else. And since it seems that only a minority have a problem with Pixar as it currently stands, there's no need for them to jump into the pit with everyone else.
jerseycajun
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:13:39 AM
Of course my mother-fucking attention is diverted!!! Because I'm the only son-of-a-bitch in the whole theatre who didn't have Adderall mixed in with my oatmeal before I drove to the theatre!!! You just proved my whole point!!! THEY'RE BRAINWASHED!!! THEY'RE ALL FUCKING BRAINWASHED!!! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!! PIXAR IS TAKING OVER!!!!!!!!!!! AAARRRGHHH!!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! *jumps in front of a train*
*realizes
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:14:27 AM
that the train isn't even in motion* phew
Touche, Leopold Scotch
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:18:55 AM
You've sold me on your point, actually. I was actually somewhat critical of how Beowulf looked, but not entirely. The characters did look kind of... strange. But I bet a nice balance can be struck between the design of the ultra-realistic Beowulf characters and the design of the disproportionate The Incredibles characters that looks great.
And...
by jerseycajun
Jun 27th, 2008
11:20:36 AM
I'm really looking forward to "The Dark Knight" as an adult movie goer looking for a mature take on the Batman's with the crime-drama sensibilities woven in, but I'm under no illusions that it's going to appeal to my inner child. Who's inner child craves those kinds of dark themes the film seems poised to project on screen?
Yeah I can't remember where it was
by Leopold Scotch
Jun 27th, 2008
11:26:29 AM
I think it was on the DVD extras for The Incredibles where someone (maybe Bird himself) said that making photorealistic humans through CGI yields unsatisfactory results as well as being extremely expensive.

Haven't seen Beowulf yet.
jerseycajun...
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:28:10 AM
dude, if it was 10 years ago and The Dark Knight just came out and I was 14 years old again I would be frothing at the mouth and clawing my way through the crowd on opening day to see that shit. 14-years-old is still a kid in my opinion. I know some of you folks who had the tough-love parents were forced to go get a job when you turned 14 but as for me... well I don't think I was even in highschool back then.
FIREPROOF IS A GENIUS
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:33:05 AM
LISTEN TO HIM. Fucking brilliant speech man. Fucking brilliant. I soaked it up. Every word.
*terrorist fist pump to Fireproof*
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:33:35 AM
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
re: Fireproof
by Felix_Happer
Jun 27th, 2008
11:37:40 AM
then ride a motherfucking bike to the theatre.
I still say TOY STORY 2 is the best thing Pixar has done
by Zeke25:17
Jun 27th, 2008
11:38:29 AM
There is nothing in the WALL-E trailers that even hints at what Massa states in his admittedly well-written review. In fact, all I remember is the scruffy little droid getting smashed up against a glass window by a mess of shopping carts. Whoo, HILARIOUS! Gotta be first in line to see that, right? It wouldn't have killed the marketers to hint a bit more at whatever's in that film that caused this reviewer to proclaim it Pixar's best. Instead, it seems we're supposed to go AWWWwww every few minutes because the robot squeaks or gives us a puppy-dog look.
Zeke
by That 70s Venom
Jun 27th, 2008
11:42:31 AM
very well said my friend. and u got a good point too Felix I guess.
Yeah lack of drilling is why gas is expensive. (rolls eyes)
by HoboCode
Jun 27th, 2008
11:44:29 AM
STFU Fireproof. Couldn't be the quagmire in the Middle East could it? Couldn't be our unwillingness to adequately fund developments of alternative renewable energy sources instead of handing out corporate welfare checks to the coal and natural gas industries. couldn't be the powerful pro-Israel lobby in this country harming our relations with the suppliers of oil. Couldn't be the recession Bush and Co. have created that has caused nearly everyone to not to be able to afford gas prices. Nah. None of that. It's the the hippies blowing up bull-dozers. You're right.
Environmentalism and Wall-E
by Leopold Scotch
Jun 27th, 2008
11:54:49 AM
I haven't seen the film (nor, I imagine, have most of the critics here) but from reading the reviews, I'm gathering that the film isn't an explicit environmentalist propaganda piece. Instead, like all worthy sci-fi, it takes relevant issues and explores them, often setting them in the background of the main plot. It seems to me that the film is criticising human indulgence at a general level. This has physical implications for the environment and for humanity as a race. This is how sci-fi works. Was Orwell a hypocrite because he didn't offer an ideal solution to Oceania's dystopia and yet proceeded to criticize existing power structures?

Even if Wall-E does overtly criticize society directly for destroying the planet, are we supposed to accept that issues related to the environment, despite their growing relevance, should be out of bonds for film and literature because of the amounts of paper and power consumed in their production? Should environmental topics only be spread by word of mouth from now on?
bounds
by Leopold Scotch
Jun 27th, 2008
11:58:16 AM
out of bounds. my keyboard is crap.
Cannot believe it
by tk 421
Jun 27th, 2008
12:04:49 PM
When people call the concept of global warming "propaganda". The fact is that it's actually happening. You can argue how much humanity impacts global warming and to what degree we can reverse it. It's possible that we can't and we're just fucked. But to say that global warming isn't happening is dishonest and disingenuous and naive. Argue all you want about what causes it, but don't be a moron and deny it exists.
"Couldn't be the quagmire in the Middle East could it?"
by chrth
Jun 27th, 2008
12:16:44 PM
Actually, it couldn't. Iraq is currently exporting oil at the same rate it did before the invasion.
chrth
by HoboCode
Jun 27th, 2008
12:34:06 PM
Yes, when they should be exporting twice as much now that Saddam isn't tight fisting and a supposedly American-friendly regime is in place.
Massa, the review was spot on,
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jun 27th, 2008
12:40:38 PM
but I still thing it deserves even MORE praise. I told my wife while I was watching it, "this is one of the most important film I've ever seen." It sounds so hyperbolic, but for me it resonated so deeply with both my inner child an adult: it was able to surround me with a sense of wonder I have not felt in a long time, while at the same time comforting me in knowing that I'm not alone in king "something's not quite right in society today."
ugh, shitty typos
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Jun 27th, 2008
12:42:25 PM
*inner child AND adult; **I'm not alone in THINKING---Not that anybody really cares what I have to say to ponder the typos in the first place, but I apologize.
Is anyone else...
by parabola99
Jun 27th, 2008
12:52:29 PM
kind of excited that we're having a discussion on movies? No real flaming, just heated discussions on movies. Even the global warming/oil tangent hasn't degenerated into "yo mamma" jokes. Excuse me. I have to wipe the tear from my eye.
I think I came a little
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 27th, 2008
12:56:32 PM
Good review. That bit about imaging a movie concerning what goes on in a Jawa sandcrawler was a dead-on accusation for me, because hell yeah I entertained those thoughts in 1977.
Oil prices
by Big Jim
Jun 27th, 2008
01:07:31 PM
one reason why they are so high is investors who were buying US dollars as investments have stopped due to the weakening of the $ and have gone to other items, like gold and oil. More investors are buying oil, creating a higher demand for the commodity and raising the price.
Abominable
by ATARI
Jun 27th, 2008
01:38:55 PM
Great tag line,

"Wall-E, so good it'll make you cum!!"
Parabola99
by KillerTomato
Jun 27th, 2008
02:32:17 PM
Wait, Talkbackers are having a rational, intelligent, adult discussion of both a movie and larger social issues?! Fuck! Can't have that..... *ahem* Fuck you, you crying faggot pussy! Yo mamma so fat, she went to the movies and sat next to EVERYONE! Actually, I'm glad to see it, too. For once...
Well, crap.
by KillerTomato
Jun 27th, 2008
02:34:28 PM
There was supposed to be a /sarcasm> in there after "everyone." I FAIL.
the president in the film actually says "stay the course"
by zooch
Jun 27th, 2008
02:34:58 PM
I thought that was pretty funny.

I think it's important to note that this is also a more relevant to the times Pixar film instead of the nostalgia of Toy Story and Cars.
Ever notice the similarity between...
by KurtLockwood
Jun 27th, 2008
02:43:39 PM
...the sandworms of DUNE and the sandworms in BEETLEJUICE? Just sayin'.
It BETTER not be too all cutesy and stuff...
by MonsterManiac
Jun 27th, 2008
03:50:03 PM
...not really in the mood for another of those right now. I'm getting excited about this one BECAUSE I'm hearing it's not. I mean, all these SOYLENT GREEN, LOGANS RUN, 2001, SILENT RUNNINGs references, and "epic masterpiece" talk... I don't know man... it better not be all gay-cutesy! (Even though these Pixar movies almost always are, no matter how many people tell me they're not. The commercials kind of look like that.)

Something with an "edge" and more grown-up "epic-ness", to match those stunning looking visuals I'm seeing, would really be nice for a change from Pixar. Without too much of the cuteness and silliness stuff.

The REAL reason US gas prices skyrocketed
by Puddleglum
Jun 27th, 2008
05:01:35 PM
Big Jim is right on when he said:

"More investors are buying oil, creating a higher demand for the commodity and raising the price."

For anyone that doesn't understand the economics at play here, Wall St needs to keep trading to survive. WHen the commercial mortgage market crashed last spring, it set of another chain of events that fully triggered the US economic slowdown that was already in play, but not being fully recogized. Traders know that when the market is volatile, you start looking at commodities - tangible items like gold, diamonds, corn, and GAS. Well, out of all the commodities, our society is infinitely dependent a=on gasoline, so it seems pretty safe bet tht the value of that commodity ain't likely to fall significantly in the short term, if ever (when have gasoline prices ever fallen much for years at a time? Never, that's when. You think anyone's worried about gas falling back to $1.00 /gallon again?)

So, commodities traders started bidding on gas futures. Then, more did, and more, and more, and the bidding price continued to climb, climb, climb. When you hear about the price of a barrell of oil going up, BLAME COMMODITIES TRADERS. They are the ones bidding up the prices. Sure, there's an inherent problem with the finite supply of oil which relates to the price. It's the finite characteristic which gives anything its value. But, the fact is that commodity traders have been bidding up the price of oil, which directly affects how much a gas station owner has to pay for each gas shipment they recieve. Which is why the cost shoots up at the pump almost immediately - they can't buy more gas if they are selling the gas they have for less than the new gas will cost.

The weak US dollar also plays into this problem. My understanding is that barrels of oil are priced in US dollars. Well, when you are a country whose currency is valued higher than the US Dollar, it makes buying commodities priced in dollars cheaper. So, foreign investors see a great pick-up on the commodities market. Add to that the increasing prices and you have toms of wealthy investors who have traders bidding the fuck out of oil futures!

In conclusion, insist somebody investigate commodity traders for fraud and stop the ridiculous oil speculation that is bidding up prices.

PS- FUCK HANCOCK! & FUCK WILL SMITH!
by Puddleglum
Jun 27th, 2008
05:03:46 PM
Damn You MCMLXXVI
by TheyCallMeMisterBay
Jun 27th, 2008
05:21:48 PM
Damn You MCMLXXVI
Happy Feet
by mooli_mooli
Jun 27th, 2008
05:23:58 PM
Is the most offensively shite film I have ever seen in my entire life. Ever. Ever ever ever.
This film has nothing to do with Global Warming
by GornPirate
Jun 27th, 2008
06:45:20 PM
It is a great film and I suggest it for anybody who likes the prior Pixar films. It does have a very deep message about how we treat our enviroment and how we have let our lifestyles not only consume our planets natural resources past the breaking point, but our very humanity. We are so busy trying to buy the next gadget, the next quick fix of pleasure, and to avoid thinking about the consequenes for any of it by escaping into our virtual worlds like the internet/media we are losing what makes us human and our connection to th natural world in the process. It's an amazing mix of a simple humorous love story mixed with this deep undercurrent that so speaks to where we are as a species and our relationship to our world.
Here, Here Puddleglum
by gringostar
Jun 27th, 2008
07:32:17 PM
I concur.
Funniest moment:
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 27th, 2008
10:40:46 PM
The spork.
Funniest moment:
by Duke Santos
Jun 27th, 2008
11:58:59 PM
Agreed.
But is it as good as The Matrix?
by Fawst
Jun 28th, 2008
12:59:47 AM
:D
My Friends...
by SAVOIR_faire
Jun 28th, 2008
07:22:38 AM
Massa is correct. I mean, DAMN! He is correct. I'm pissed. That's how good it is. Wow. Kudos to the Pixar squad. This is crack cocaine for the sci-fi brain.
very nice review
by purplepurple
Jun 28th, 2008
11:29:52 AM
i wasnt going to see it. From what I saw, all it seemed to be about was a cutesy robot who had some ipod looking robot girlfriend. If its really as complex as Massa puts it, it should be very interesting.
They'd BETTER do a 2-disc DVD this time...
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 28th, 2008
11:10:29 PM
...instead of cheaping out with a shitty 1-disc release like they did with Cars and Ratatoullie. Seriously, Pixar films used to get the BEST SEs, and now they get SHIT. Wall*E is so gorgeously designed I want HOURS and HOURS of behind-the-scenes material, not a crappy, 20-minute EPK featurette and some storyboard-only deleted scenes.
Adult Films from the 70's
by Grand_Wizard
Jun 28th, 2008
11:24:07 PM
Ahh who can forget those celluloid masturbatory masterpieces the Mitchell brothers, Seka, Marilyn Chambers, Desiree Cousteau, Annette Haven, Linda Lovelace and Lisa DeLeeuw. When I think of 70's Adult that's the image that comes to mind, so Masa you can take your little pretentious nostalgic references and put them on times garbage heap, movies like Deep Throat are the only things worth watching from that era.
Wow!
by FILMFUNK
Jun 29th, 2008
06:38:19 PM
Pixar does it again! I now have a new favourite movie of 2008 and unbelievably my new favourite Pixar movie! Incredibles was safe I thought but 70's sci-Fi and the best short before hand made for a perfect afternoon!

Pixar, once more Showing All other animation studios how it's done.

Massa
by Antz
Jun 29th, 2008
08:54:34 PM
Interesting how I have read other reviews that say this is 10 x worse than Happy Feet at shoving a message down your throat, yet you like this.
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