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Quint thinks WALL-E is a masterpiece!

I will by medicatedmonkeyDUDE	Jun 27th, 2008 02:39:08 AM
definitely see this movie. I had to choose between the midnight showing of this and wanted, and unfortunately i choose wanted. It was not a good movie.
wow by The Real MiraJeff	Jun 27th, 2008 02:40:46 AM
very cool photos. can't wait to see wall-e. my friends pussies out of going to a midnight show tonight, rat bastards... nice write up Q
third by tailgunner111	Jun 27th, 2008 02:42:04 AM
wow, I'd never thought that would happen :)
On another note... by medicatedmonkeyDUDE	Jun 27th, 2008 02:42:33 AM
I wonder if that little green monster from Monsters Inc (mike) is related to Lee-lah. (that was my best attempt at a Zap Brannigan way of saying Leelas name.)
wanted by The InSneider	Jun 27th, 2008 02:42:56 AM
aw c'mon medicated monkey, wanted was pretty damn good. solid entertainment. not the most original story but some pretty mind-blowing action sequences. and mcavoy rocked the house. admit it.
can't wait by smorgasbord	Jun 27th, 2008 02:43:46 AM
That's all. Can't wait
Wanted by medicatedmonkeyDUDE	Jun 27th, 2008 02:44:28 AM
was too predictable. And you're right, the main dude totally rocked the movie. but besides the action, it was really slow. Plus Angelina's only acting in this movie is a smile and a wink, in every damn scene.
this movie by long live the new chris	Jun 27th, 2008 02:48:43 AM
really is amazing. best film of the year thus far.
I was at the midnight showing by Mezzanine	Jun 27th, 2008 02:59:15 AM
Just got home an hour ago, and I still have a smile on my face. Yes, Wall*E is THAT good. And Quint, you are bang on with how depressing this movie has the potential to be. In the beginning of the film SPOILER ALERT: I was thinking about how the Earth felt like it was the same Earth that was in Blade Runner, just five hundred years later. How strange that one of the most damning post-apocalyptic visions in cinema history comes in a family film.
Pixar are near untouchable, they have a record by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Jun 27th, 2008 03:00:50 AM
like the Coen Bros. One or two pretty good movies and the rest...instant classics.
Highest grossing film of the year by tomdolan04	Jun 27th, 2008 03:01:30 AM
with Iron Man a second and Indy third when all the counts are in during the end of decemeber. Believe it.
Although... by tomdolan04	Jun 27th, 2008 03:07:10 AM
despite going after two different markets it's a bit nuts that here in the UK The Dark Knight and Wall-E are going head to head on the same day
But then by tomdolan04	Jun 27th, 2008 03:08:21 AM
it's much better than Pixar's usual record - Ratatouille, Nemo et all were released months after the US launches
They should make Incredibles 2: Electric Boogaloo by Han Cholo	Jun 27th, 2008 03:10:11 AM
With Hulk Hogan as the baddie. "Whatcha gonna do when the largest arms in the world destroy you, BROTHER!!"
Don't get there late! by Subovon	Jun 27th, 2008 03:10:15 AM
Not only did the square robot exceed my high expectations but the traditional Pixar short which precedes the film, a duel between a magician and his white rabbit, is one of the funniest things since Tex Avery's wolf ran after the Red Riding Hood. Get your pop-corn during the trailers which all suck but don't miss the beginning of the show!
Idiocracy and Wall-e would make a great bizarro double feature by SifoDyasJr.	Jun 27th, 2008 03:15:21 AM
And every time I think that Pixar can't make a better movie, they surprise me again.
Wall-E is one of Pixar's lesser films. by jrbarker	Jun 27th, 2008 03:18:13 AM
That being said, it's still good. I would put it in there with Cars, Monsters Inc. and A Bug's Life. In my opinion, the classics are Ratatouille, Incredibles, Finding Nemo and the Toy Stories.
Bacci by Mezzanine	Jun 27th, 2008 03:28:30 AM
One for that Beverly Hill Rat Dog (everyone booed it), Bolt, a movie about a mouse with giant ears, Journey to the Center of the Earth 3D, and Madagascar 2. There might have been another, but I don't remember. The trailer for the one with the giant eared mouse looked cute. The Beverly Hills Chiuaha made me think that I was having a REALLY bad acid flashback that came out of nowhere. It was really shitty.
No UK clash I'm afraid by dr_buggerlugs	Jun 27th, 2008 03:30:54 AM
Wall-E arrives on the 18th and we get TDK on the 25th.
dr bugger... by tomdolan04	Jun 27th, 2008 03:39:09 AM
holy crap you're right. damn that sucks, it got so caught up in the trailers pimping the US dark knight date I only checked the Wall-E release. An extra week, pants. Spoilers will be damn tricky to avoid by then. At least its not Germany, they don't get Bats till Aug 21st :(
Wow, It's All True by Rebeck2	Jun 27th, 2008 03:39:15 AM
Beautiful, thrilling, emotional, and just a great story that keeps topping itself. You know when you're watching a movie and you're riveted trying to keep up with it because it's so rich and dense you know that it will take many viewings to really catch all the nuance and detail? That's what this is like. I found myself with my mouth open a lot of the time, just in awe of the sheer confidence of the storytelling. Don't let anyone ruin the story for you - part of the joy is thinking you've seen all its wonders and then it just dazzles you even more. But it's all about character and a story well told, the visuals are just the icing. But what icing! This is by far the most intelligent "kids" movie I've ever seen. It's absolutely an instant classic. And you know this may seem a strange thing to say but it makes me proud of American cinema again - how long since you could say that? - because Pixar is representing us better than any other filmmakers out there and the fact that the film criticizes what could be seen as distinctly American laziness and overindulgence makes it even better. We may have major problems as a country but we can still entertain like a motherfucker. USA! PS> This will not only be the highest grossing film of the year, but it will be nominated for Best Picture. And it may even be the first animated film to win.
Cars was Fantastic... by Redfive!	Jun 27th, 2008 03:40:04 AM
I think no matter which movie they put out after The Incredibles people would have complained.Sure the story was basicly Doc Hollywood but the characters were memorable and The BluRay of CARS is nothing short of Amazing.
I wonder if Cars was subpar because... by SifoDyasJr.	Jun 27th, 2008 03:40:28 AM
...it was in production during most of the turbulence between Jobs and Eisner? They may have been 'coasting' on what they thought would be their last Disney film at that time. Also, as great as Wall-e was, there were a dozen trailers for absolutely horrendous CG animated movies.
This film looks almost perfect by jamaicanpenguin	Jun 27th, 2008 03:51:05 AM
i just hope it won't be a let down!
Will Never Get The Cars Hate by Rebeck2	Jun 27th, 2008 03:51:22 AM
I love that movie. To me, it was much more interesting and adult-friendly than Finding Nemo, which I admire but which ultimately feels just a little too kiddie-ish for me to really love. Sorry. I know I'm in the minority... My list NOW would go... 1) Toy Story (always and forever) 2) The Incredibles 3) Wall-E 4) Cars 5) Ratatouille 6) Toy Story 2 7) A Bugs Life 8) Finding Nemo 9) Monsters, Inc. But I mean, c'mon. Is that an embarrassment of riches or what???!!!
Masterpiece is Right... It's absolutely magnificent. *MILD SPOIL by Jam Banjo	Jun 27th, 2008 04:19:07 AM
The stunning thing is the challenge they set themselves by designing a character who, by his very nature is limited in movement and expression - and giving him life that you absolutely believe and fall in love with. But to do it twice - by introducing Eve, limited in other ways with regards to how she expresses herself, who also has this real character that you totally buy. And then Pixar go nuts and give us a ton of other robots that also have their brilliant characters come shining through (kids are going to love that little cleaning robot, he was a joy) its absolutely remarkable. Does it come easy to these guys? Other films spend double the time developing a single character with only half the success. The HAL9000 reference is true - the 'baddie' is a great threat and how the film deals with him is brilliant. The 2001 music cue is genius, but then almost everything in the film is - I sat there gobsmacked by the visuals and sound design, with a huge grin on my face the whole way through, apart from the frequent times I was laughing. I will watch this again and again- it's just one of those films that you know will always be right up there in your favourites list. I had high expectations, having loved the trailers. This film surpassed them and then some. Glorious. Wall-E is a film that will push the CG animated film industry forward proving that you don't have to settle for big names and obvious concepts. It's a film that should push the live action and traditional cell animated film industries forward too. If all films were made with a fraction of the love, care, detail and passion that obviously went into this film... well, maybe it's better this way. You put up with a lot of crap, a lot of garbage and every now and then you find something gleaming brightly in the middle of it all. That's Wall-E, another step forward for Pixar, and a film I'll be showing to my kids and grandkids. Beautiful, funny, touching and timeless.
I offically hate all that have seen this before me!! by Gabba-UK	Jun 27th, 2008 05:03:22 AM
the film I'm looking forward to the most. By the way the BBFC website states that The Dark Knight is 152 mins long!! Bliss.
Shameless Apple plugging... by loafroaster	Jun 27th, 2008 05:12:15 AM
... in two features and counting today.
NegativeBitch by SmarkJobber	Jun 27th, 2008 05:40:10 AM
Pixar constantly avoids getting too schmaltzy. They've been master-level storytellers since Day 1, able to juggle the needs of all audiences save the "Me? I don't fucking watch cartoons!" set. If you didn't like what they created in the past, I doubt "Wall-e" will change that. "Wanted" is probably more your speed.
Saw a midnight showing tonight by applescruff	Jun 27th, 2008 05:50:38 AM
This is the most important film of this decade so far, in terms of content, and in terms of pushing cinema forward as an art form. It's definitely my favorite Pixar film. Which is fucking crazy at this point. How could these guys drop so many classics, only to top themselves once again? How good can they possibly get? I don't want to give away the film. Chances are most of you know way too much already going in, but this movie is a humbling experience that really made me love the Earth just a little bit more. It made me scared that one day all this would be gone. And this is a fucking kids movie????? Holy shit.
Sounds like my most anticipated film this summer by O_Goncho	Jun 27th, 2008 06:40:13 AM
And my girlfriend has catagorically refused to see it with me because it 'looks like a kids film'. Weep for me. Weep for me having to ask, 'one for Wall-E please'. I can already see the funny look form parents keeping their kids six rows away from me :(
Another reason why these animated movies are so exceptional... by OgreYouAsshole	Jun 27th, 2008 07:00:54 AM
Less studio interference. They can't just step in, i.e. Hulk, & say cut this or that angle won't appeal to the "masses". We're talking mucho time & money for every single second created, more prep and, of course, enough alotted time to actually think about the product. It's getting to be the only cinematic medium that's fully satisfying these days. And that saddens me.
Best date movie ever by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 07:17:39 AM
It really is, I had to see it solo just because me and my girl are living in different states right now. I feel sorry for ou O_Goncho, but its such a good movie that I also don't because its amazing. My girl knows that Pixar movies are my favorite and that I've been dying to see this since I first saw the teaser. If Toy Story didn't exsist this would be my favorite movie of all time. I can't stop thinking about how amazing this is, every aspect of it. I feel like writing Pixar a thank card for what they've done. I am jealous of quint for getting to visit the studio, and mad at myself for never getting into computers enough to ever get a job there.
"love the earth just a little bit more"? by rainbowtrout1265	Jun 27th, 2008 07:22:22 AM
And "it made me scared that one day all of this would be gone"? Are you out of your mind? The new cult of environmental hysteria is far more dangerous than anything us pathetic humans are doing/not doing to beloved Mother Earth.
Rebeck2 by just pillow talk	Jun 27th, 2008 07:24:21 AM
I found Cars to be very bland and uninteresting, and I couldn't make it all the way through. I'll eventually give it another shot, but it didn't strike any chord with me for whatever reason. But you are right, there's a lot of quality you mentioned in that list. WhinyNegativeBitch, dude, for a twenty something, why the fuck are you so pessimistic and down on everything? Fuck, go out and get blitzed tonight. Enjoy yourself and forget about Disney for a bit.
Also by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 07:28:31 AM
There is not point to even bother trying to rank Pixar movies. Lets face it, you have your favorite one and then there are the rest thats it. Your just kidding yourself if you say that one Pixar movie is better then the other. Each one has there own unique thing. And really the only reason that Wall-E is not my favorite one, is becaus Toy Story came out first and I was at just the right age that it made such a lasting impression on me, plus it was the first one. And as much as I really liked the Peter Gabriel song, nothing will top Randy Newmans score and songs, no matter how hard his cousin tries.
Jesus Christ, how old are you people? by Paulseta	Jun 27th, 2008 08:03:06 AM
It's a kid's movie! A kid's movie! Then again, I saw a grown man reading a Spider Man comic on the train this morning, so maybe the world is just a smidge more retarded than I thought.
Cars sucked, but this looks good. by FluffyUnbound	Jun 27th, 2008 08:08:13 AM
The reviews it has been getting are absolutely phenomenal. There are a total of 2 negative reviews at RT: one of the negative reviews makes the absolutely absurd statement that it would be a great movie if it was an independent film made by Ralph Bakshi, but because Pixar made it he doesn't like it; the other one describes several sections of the film as "breathtaking", but gives the film a negative review because he doesn't want children exposed to enviromentalism or anti-consumerism. What dicks.
If you didn't like The Incredibles... by FluffyUnbound	Jun 27th, 2008 08:10:50 AM
...I can safely ignore what you say. Blah blah blah blah disclaimer disclaimer there's no objective standard for art yadda yadda yadda - but if you didn't like The Incredibles, you have no sense of humor or appreciation for storytelling and if you say you don't think Wall-E sounds good, that's actually a vote of confidence for the film.
No, that'd be you, Paulsetta by half vader	Jun 27th, 2008 08:17:56 AM
The retarded one, if I can call myopia retarded (and I can). Pixar films are FAMILY/ALL AGES films, which doesn't automatically mean KIDS' films. Notice that many of even the jokes work on both levels at the same time. Kids laugh at the sound of the spaceman breathing inside Buzz's helmet, and we get the added Darth Vader homage. I guess you didn't get the scene in Toy Story 2 where Jesse is left aside on the adult level, either. Oops, no. That's a kids' movie too. But hey, if that's your opinion, no problem, fair enough. Don't go see it. Also don't come in here and lecture people on wanting to see something you yourself won't. Retard.
"Everybody’s fat, dependent on technology...no individuality" by LaserPants	Jun 27th, 2008 08:30:26 AM
Sounds like Earth circa 2008, actually. Really looking forward to this btw. I like robots; especially ones that make me think about what it means to have a soul and all that stuff that robots have been used for since, say, Fritz Lang's Metropolis.
Paulseta by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 08:43:10 AM
Unless your jokeing, people who complain about stuff being a kids movie are really annoying. Who do you think makes this makes these movies? Why is it that when an adult enjoys a kids movie, or wants to see one some a-hole has to come and say, "Hey, NO, NO! That is meant for kids. Go be an adult and sit around and watch sports and octogon." Also the person who creates the kids think is never scolded for making kids things? You think that is someone told John Lasseter that he was being a big baby and should grow up, doesn't feel like a complete idiot now while he sits in his lazy boy watching NASCAR with WWE in the screen within a screen in the corner of his TV, while John has enough money to do whatever he wants? Does anyone else find it weird that one of the most beloved childrens authors got his start by writing for Playboy and has a CD with such great songs as Fuck'em and The Great Smoke Off? I'm a big kid on the inside, but I'm probably more professional and mature then the people that like to tell me I don't watch cartoons, thats a kids movie. Also, do you not care for parents that take their kids to movies, that if they have to go that they can enjoy the movie as well? Instead of sitting through Pokemon Movie 10? I just don't see whats so wrong with liking cartoons. I guess I should go watch grown men do something I am perfectly capable of doing myself? Or watch war movies about wars that I was never involved in? Car about cars, when I own a European car that doesn't need to be fixed every six months so I don't need to know how to fix it? Wall-E may be a "kids movie", but its darker and more profound and tackles harder to understand issues then any big summer movie thus far.
I suspect this movie will freak obese people out by terry1978	Jun 27th, 2008 08:43:13 AM
Honestly, I think someone is going to see the future, and suddenly be all, "shit, that could be me!" and go down to the nearest Crunch Fitness after the showing lets out.
la la la la la by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jun 27th, 2008 08:44:01 AM
not listening. can't wait to see this.
WhinyNegativeBitch by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 08:59:56 AM
"Sometimes I don't want anything challenging or memorable." Have you seen Wall-E? If you can't find something challenging or memorable out of any pixar film, then you must just be the perfect person. Yeah there is going to be that, make kids buy stuff factor, but last time I checked Dark Knight toys were over crowding the Toy Shelves worse then anything else. And they all looked like crap, the Wall-E toy is very well done, like most Pixar Toys. I know if you don't see Wall-E in theaters you are an idiot, because the animation is beyond anything you've seen before. This movie is just so realized that its unbelievable. Yes, there is schmultzy thing about it, but thats its appeal. I enjoy and like to watch truely disturbing movies, but man when you can leave the theater feeling good about life there's nothing better then that. And if you can't leave any Pixar movie feeling that way, well then go back to your farm and complain about people not working enough and that your far to busy to do anything.
HAHAHA...So far..funniest talkback I'v read today! by conspiracy	Jun 27th, 2008 09:20:25 AM
People whining and bitching Pixar films are for children, while at the same time suggesting movies based upon comic books offer greater depth. Thats priceless.
can't wait by hoisin	Jun 27th, 2008 09:25:41 AM
sounds awesome. good review
"Family filmmaking" = bogus. by HoboCode	Jun 27th, 2008 09:40:50 AM
Seriously. Pixar sucks. Although the main themes in this film appeal to me, particulalryl one ginat corporation owning and controlling everything, but all thta does is remind me that DISNEY is makign every effort to do just that. Step 1: Sedate the masses with saccharine-laced "family" entertainment. Flame away drones.
"Family filmmaking" = bogus. (Now typo free) by HoboCode	Jun 27th, 2008 09:44:58 AM
Seriously. Pixar sucks. Although the main themes in this film appeal to me, particularly one giant corporation owning and controlling everything, but all that does is remind me that DISNEY is making every effort to do just that. Step 1: Sedate the masses with saccharine-laced "family" entertainment. Flame away drones.
SPOILERS -for WALLE and HAPPY FEET- by Gilkuliehe	Jun 27th, 2008 09:48:43 AM
To those of you who saw it... Second spoiler warning, I told ya so: What's with those live action shots? I damn LOVED the movie, but I can't say I wasn't bummed by the live action people they threw in there. I'm not talking about the movies WALL-E watches, I'm talking about the BNL adds, and the president's press conferences. It really took me away from the world I was... I'd get it if all people were live action (as in HAPPY FEET), but once we get to Axiom, all the humans were animated... and beautifully so. So, if you saw it, what did you think of that? Thanks.
HoboCode, I agree with you and by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 09:56:09 AM
I am crusading against Pixar in a similar way in the other Wall-E thread. Way to go bro. Finally someone else who sees through Pixar's bullshit. I'm tired of these ostensibly child-aimed intellectual CGI flicks.
Well said, WhinyNegativeBitch by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 10:09:44 AM
but to Disney's credit (and believe me, I give them very little), the people at Disney today aren't really the ones responsible for that Small World child slavery stuff. But aside from that, well said. :)
You guys are actually bitching about Pixar?! by Gilkuliehe	Jun 27th, 2008 10:16:09 AM
That does it, I'm outta here.
WhinyNegativeBitch...best not step foot in a Theater again. by conspiracy	Jun 27th, 2008 10:20:00 AM
Dark lighting and trite attempts at character development do not make me feel threatened, develope a sense of foreboding nor lead me to investigate the meaning of "justice" either. If you are so concerned about "Fucking Child Slavery" etc...Considering ALL film production companies/distributors are in fact owned or controlled by multinational conglomerates..I fail to see how your screed against Disney can be justified.As a corporation Disney, like any large business, has done as much good as they have harm. Besides, Do you really think all those "Dark Knight" toys are assembled by happy little elves who sleep on clouds of candy floss and are fed the sweet secretions from only happy socialist worker bees? Do you not think that film producers/directors don't look for the cost savings at every turn...that they would NEVER hire some $20/day Mexican labor to build Gotham, or cheat the caterer out of a few bucks? Do you really think the actors are in it for some altruistic reason, perhaps donating 95% of their "obscene" salary to Cancer research or Childrens Hospitals? If so your smoking some powerful crack my friend.
Pixar = Israel by HoboCode	Jun 27th, 2008 10:21:30 AM
It's become untouchable. This is what is scary about it people. Any criticism of Pixar, like criticism of Israeli policies, is now met with jeers and decries of anti-cinemism (read anti-semitism).
So Dark Knight has been Previewed for the Press by conspiracy	Jun 27th, 2008 10:35:28 AM
Where is the Review Quint? Mori? Harry? The first reviews are fantastic...looks like Nolan and Pixar are going to kick the living SHIT out of Dreamworks and Lucas/Speilberg this summer.
Well by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 10:40:08 AM
Whineybitch, what do you want? (WhinyNegativeBitch) "I want to sing and dance, I want to sing and dance. I want to be a pirate in the Pirates of Penzance. Wear me silver-buckled slippers and me tight shiny pants. I want to sing and dance!" Ok you are just bitching to bitch, you have no logic in your reasoning. Go back and watch The Marine for the 100 time and think about how hard core you are, and then hit your moms cat to prove it. Then go over to That 70s Venom house and turn on some good ole Octogonial fun.
I THINK These Raves Are Legit.... by Deandome	Jun 27th, 2008 10:44:10 AM
...but after suffering thru the similarly-touted, humorless turd named "Kung Fu Panda"...I'm a little gun-shy. What on fucking earth did people like about that movie? Rarely have I been so disappointed in something that had been so univerally loved by the critics. My 6y.o. wasn't ga-ga on it, either
Series7 by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 10:49:29 AM
dude that was uncalled for. cry jk I still want you to come to my dinner party this weekend. Bring Tia Carrere
Deandome by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 10:54:14 AM
Yeah I have been tempted to sit through Kung Fu Panda in theaters. After Shrek 2 which I paid to see and the Finding Nemo movie with Will Smith that I saw for free, I banished Dreamworks filth to rentals only. But after how funny and crazy the last 30 mintues of Over the Hedge was and how Bee-Movie was better then the reviews said I have been really tempted to see if Kung Fu Panda is any good. But I think that point has passed, I knew if I didn't see it before Wall-E it would end up sucking because Wall-E was going to be so good. And after seeing Wall-E you have nothing to fear about it, its amazing. And now Kung Fu Panda has been regulated to rental status because of it.
Is by Series7	Jun 27th, 2008 10:55:12 AM
Tia Carrere even still alive?
WhinyNegativeBitch. . . by Matrowl	Jun 27th, 2008 10:56:16 AM
. . . And what movies, pray, "challenge" you? You're entitled to your opinion, of course. I don't particularly care if yo don't like Pixar's films, but you'd best present some less laughable criteria than "I'm just too intellectual now" if you want people to believe you're as intelligent as you obviously want to sound. I'll tell you this, Pixar's films have more intelligence and clever subtlety than 90% of the garbage that studios release. You want to be challenged? Here's one for you: Is it possible that bias and general close-mindedness are of greater influence than intellectual superiority when it comes to your dislike of Pixar films? Who knows? Just a thought.
fuck me! We're slaves to Disney! by just pillow talk	Jun 27th, 2008 10:59:52 AM
Run for your lives people! The end is upon us!
Christ parallels by darthvedder81	Jun 27th, 2008 11:06:59 AM
Quint is right to find Jesus in "Wall-e". Here's an interview with Stanton where he actually brings that up: http://www.worldmag.com/articl es/14127 Also nice to see the director doesn't view it as a "environmental message" movie. I was really worried about that part. Pixar should never go political.
NUMBER 5 IS ALIVE! Pixar raped Steve Guttenberg's youth! by strongbadmonkey	Jun 27th, 2008 11:07:27 AM
Am I the only one that is seeing the uncanny similarity between those two robots? Plagiarism says I!!!!! Pixar raped Steve Guttenberg's youth!!!!!!!!!!
Matrowl... but that is just the problem... by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 11:10:07 AM
Pixar's flicks are so beyond saturated with clever subtlety and pseudo-intellectualism that they end up coming off as elitist and arrogant. These fucking brainwashed idiots who clamor over the Pixar films come out of the theatre going "You know what? Disney's social commentary is so dead-on because the humor in that movie was so smart and funny!" And the sad thing is that they think they "get it" when one of the characters makes a subtle joke, but they are actually being duped into thinking that what was said is so insightful and clever that it's actually true.
Don't believe me? Go here and be stunned by Johnny 5. Viva Short by strongbadmonkey	Jun 27th, 2008 11:15:11 AM
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Viva Short Circuit! Death to Wall E, the Imposter! by strongbadmonkey	Jun 27th, 2008 11:16:09 AM

Pixar elitist and arrogant? by Matrowl	Jun 27th, 2008 11:21:06 AM
Hmm, I don't really see it. Sure, their films usually have a familiar message, but if anything Pixar is noted for NOT being heavy handed in the delivery of said messages. Besides, is that really why anyone goes to see their films anyway? I got far more psuedo-intellectualism and elitism in my average university course than in any Pixar film. Nope, not buying that one.
strongbadmonkey by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 11:21:39 AM
run that link through tinyurl.com please and then re-post.
OMG...You guys are losers by lopini	Jun 27th, 2008 11:23:20 AM
WALL-E....How old are you? Get out of you parents basement...you are all pumped up over a kids movie!
lopini by That 70s Venom	Jun 27th, 2008 11:34:36 AM
you can go suck my mom's cock
Here you go. I love me some Ally Sheedy! by strongbadmonkey	Jun 27th, 2008 11:42:02 AM
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strongbadmonkey, by irrelevntelefant	Jun 27th, 2008 12:11:26 PM
are you trying to say that wall-e looks like johnny 5? cause if you are, that is a hugely unique and original observation that no one in any wall-e talkback had ever noticed or posted before. bravo to you're keen eye. keep up the vigilant work.
WhinyNegativeBitch's argument has one real flaw... by FluffyUnbound	Jun 27th, 2008 12:40:23 PM
...and here it is: The Harvey cut of "Cinema Paradiso" has a very simple and schmaltzy "message" as well, about being touched by regret for the passage of time. Simplest possible emotional message out there. And if you don't think it works precisely because of that simplicity, you have nothing to say to anyone who is looking for advice on what movie to see. Just go listen to your new Coldplay album again and enjoy your faux sophistication some more.
WOW I've read some retarded stuff here... by Johnno	Jun 27th, 2008 12:48:56 PM
But this is the first time I'm actually at a loss for words... I... ...
"Monsters Inc." is my favourite Pixar movie, too. by a goonie	Jun 27th, 2008 12:49:52 PM
Followed closely by "The Incredibles." But "Monsters Inc" occupies a very special place in my heart. I adore Mike and Sully and Boo and the innocent, loving relationship that Sully and Boo share. I also love the creature design, the focused approach to the material, the humour, the scope of the story, and especially that ending. My favourite Pixar moment to date is when Sully pokes his head through that door, hoping to find his pint-sized friend, and their future together (or apart) is left to our own imagination.
I am jealous of Pixar employees by Abominable Snowcone	Jun 27th, 2008 01:04:59 PM
and anyone who gets paid well (or better) to do work they love doing. I look forward to seeing this movie. I know what Pixar are capable of.
Again, I say: the trailer doesn't hint at anything great by Zeke25:17	Jun 27th, 2008 01:12:30 PM
We get a robot that looks like a cross between a Star Wars power droid and ET...with big puppy dog eyes that guarantee a large number of "AWWWwww"s from the audience. He gets smashed against glass doors by a bunch of shopping carts. After a while another robot shows up, and we get treated to dialogue like "EEEEEvve" and "WALLeeeee" more than a few times. The trailer suggests little more than a robot love story that could be wrapped up in twenty minutes. Why keep all the stupendous greatness under wraps? Why not let folks know that there's more to the story than computer animation and sugary cuteness?
Ebert's Wall E review by Orionsangels	Jun 27th, 2008 01:39:46 PM
He gives Wall E 3 1/2 stars. Okay, but now here's the crazy part. He gives Get Smart 3 1/2 stars as well. So apparently Get Smart is just as good as Wall E. According to him anyway. Then he gives the new Hulk 2 stars and says he prefers Ang Lee's version because he liked the whole father and son relationship story. What I hated most about it. So what's Ebert smoking?
I Have Visited That Building Twice... by grungies	Jun 27th, 2008 01:45:20 PM
And it's every bit as awesome as you say.
Wow, that's not what an animator friend said... by nonsensical	Jun 27th, 2008 01:53:42 PM

Orionsangels by HoboCode	Jun 27th, 2008 01:57:12 PM
I can't tell you why Ebert thinks Wall-E and Get Smart are equally good. Maybe because they bove are done well for their respective genres. As far as his preference for Ang Lee's Hulk I think it's a matter of him having impeccable taste. LONG LIVE ANG LEE'S HULK!
Wall-E, a Pixar failure? by nonsensical	Jun 27th, 2008 01:58:26 PM
Sorry, I hit the button too soon. A friend of mine went to see the movie last night. Then wrote this on his blog. It's sad. He calls it an "Open Letter to Pixar." -------------- Dear Pixar, I hate to say this, but you have failed us. Wall-E was supposed to be a masterpiece to go along side your other great films, as you once again had to have outdone yourself. Unfortunately for your audiences, it was not. Now before you go getting all defensive and claiming how great the story is and how much effort you put into making us love Wall-E before the film was released, let me explain. Last year you created Ratatouille, a film I now see as the pinnacle of Pixar Animation. At the end of this film you threw down the gauntlet. You came out and said to all other animation studios that you were better than them. You lauded your efforts in Animation by featuring a new quality assurance guarantee in which you claimed, “100% genuine animation. No motion capture or any other performance shortcuts were used in the production of this film.” Now, with Wall-E you have broken this promise to us as well as my heart. You know what I’m talking about so don’t play dumb. Every time the live action people appeared on screen I was torn from the film. In fact the very first time we see image of Fred Willard I was instantly sent into a state of disbelief and anger. I knew that this was a real person in a Pixar movie, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I knew that if any studio in the world could make a CG Character that had fooled me into believing that it was a real person, it was Pixar so I waited. Even when the second time the actors appeared on screen I became angry enough to walk out of the film, I waited. Pixar is the master of storytelling, and surely they had simply fooled me into thinking I was seeing real actors. Sadly, no… you had not fooled me. After the end credits rolled I found myself hoping against all hope that I would not see what I did. Gone is the guarantee you gave us in Ratatouille, and in its place was a “Live Action Unit”. It was true. Pixar, the mark by which ALL 3D-Animation compares itself, the absolute best 3D Animation Studio in the world, has cheated. Wall-E is your Happy Feet. Wall-E has the heart and story we expect in a Pixar film, but by cheating and using real actors, Pixar, you have betrayed us. I think what makes it worse is that there was no reason for the cheat. I can’t see one reason for Pixar to use real actors when the “people of the future” as well as every robot, ship, star, and dust particle is so beautifully animated. I can’t imagine what logic was used to make this terrible mistake when you have your Every Man universal model. That alone should have allowed you to create a reasonable likeness for the real actors you used. I don’t understand why you did this Pixar, when you have consistently shown us that you alone are capable of so much more. When I left that theater I was angry. Pixar had cheated and in the process it had hurt me and betrayed the audience. Later, I felt more sad than angry. Pixar had cheated and in doing so, Pixar has made their first mistake. I consider Wall-E to be a terrible failure for Pixar. I feel as if this is an awful blemish that Pixar must try to correct. The scenes are not long, and I trust that Pixar could replace them with Animated Actors, if they wanted, but will they? I hate to say it, but that answer is, no. However, there is one single ray of hope to come from having gone to Wall-E. That is Presto. Presto is a masterpiece of animation and it stands alone above the work that follows it. However, I fear “Presto” may be a clear sign of your intention to create genuine animation in short format, and only short format. If this is the case, then Wall-E marks the end of the Pixar we knew and loved and the beginning for a new Pixar that is Disney’s whore. -------------- I feel really bad for him and I can kind of see where he is coming from, but I can't really comment until I see the movie this weekend. Anyone who saw this feel the same?
Sorry might be spoilers in that post... by nonsensical	Jun 27th, 2008 02:00:34 PM
the above letter might spoil the movie for you.
great! by mcavity	Jun 27th, 2008 02:02:20 PM
I think this is a brilliant movie. The trailer is great because its just enough to wet your appetite without giving you the whole meal. [always hate trailers that give away the entire movie] The movie itself is well done hand has some good social commentary. Hell even the end credits worked on several levels! Realy an amazing pice of work. and anyone who thinks Wall E is the same as johnny 5.. man are you off base.
I hate watching Pixar movies in theaters by joe90025	Jun 27th, 2008 02:43:19 PM
...because of the annoying 3 yr olds in the audience who have no clue as to what's going on. Not all of them, just the slow ADD kids who'll eventually grow up to be seat-kickers in their teens and eventually the senior citizens in the theater who ask out loud why John Travolta is still alive at the end of Pulp Fiction. No dialogue for the 1st half of WALL-E? Ha, I guarantee there'll be a running dialogue in the audience. Oh well, fuck it, god bless the little bastards.
WhinyNegativeBitch, you say you don't care... but you do by Acappellaman	Jun 27th, 2008 02:50:39 PM
WhinyNegativeBitch, you seem to be wasting a lot of time talking about a movie you don't seem to care about. Get off your high horse and stop bitching and whining with all that negativity.
Damn it by OptimusCrime	Jun 27th, 2008 03:32:22 PM
I had to stop reading this review halfway through due to the fact that its a plot synopsis. Horrible work, Quint.
nonsensical... by Nordling	Jun 27th, 2008 04:09:43 PM
your friend is as wrong as 2 + 2 = God.
The Incredibles, Just schmaltz and toy selling action? by zooch	Jun 27th, 2008 04:33:53 PM
Excuse me? Apparently you didn't get the film at all. In the Incredibles Brad Bird's satire subtly deconstructs superheroes when issues of responsibility and liability are raised. He also makes the hero characters fully human and full of depth. They aren't perfect, they are flawed, they are fat, they make mistakes. It relates superheroes to the human condition. If you can't see any depth in that, I'm sorry.
Damn You MCMLXXVI by TheyCallMeMisterBay	Jun 27th, 2008 05:17:08 PM
Damn You MCMLXXVI
Saw It Immediately wanted to see it again. by Driver8	Jun 27th, 2008 05:41:29 PM
Loved it,wife loved it ,7yr old son loved it. Sfw if there was "barely" a real person in it. The beginning managed to convey more desolation and lonliness then all of "I Am Legend" combined. Pixar is still the Gold Standard. Period.
nonsensical... by Shaner Jedi	Jun 27th, 2008 05:58:15 PM
...is your buddy a employee of Sony or Animal Logic? Pixar's guarantee at the end of Ratatouille was about using key-frame, not mo-cap in animation Had nothing to do with using live-action. At all. Tell your bud to know the argument before he spouts off.
Nonsensical you fucking moron by half vader	Jun 27th, 2008 06:24:03 PM
Actually to be fair, it's your friend who's a moron. No wait, you too for posting a spoiler warning AFTER that post. Have either of you ever heard of "tongue in cheek"? Did the fact that Ratatouille was a comedy not tip you off at any point? That "no motion capture" business was a cheeky challenge for the competition to up their game, but it was in a movie with THOUSANDS OF RATS (try motion capturing that!) as well as some humans. And the bigger joke is that the main human was ostensibly 'operated' by A FUCKING RAT!!! Remember that guarantee comes from a guy who's not precious about 'capturing' a bit of live-action or piece of film (I think I recall he said a splash of water but don't quote me there), to get the shot done, whether the purist Pixar method would call it 'cheating' or not. As far as that goes, hopefully the animation competition took it in the way it was intended, not the way your animator friend did. For instance the 'motion capture' they did in this film of the 70s cameras for the technical and lens aberrations counts too. And is appropriate and logical. Gah. Pixar know as much as any GOOD animators that capture is just a tool and the more stylised you are or the more fantastic the subject (Kong for example) the more good old keyframing you need to do to stop it looking like a guy in a capture suit. As for that competition, the one movie that can never be truly criticised for mocap is Happy Feet. If there was ever a movie where mocap was appropriate, that's the one. Animals whose pelvis is under their torsos, tap dancing, and multiplied by thousands. You'd be there 'til doomsday keyframing that - except for the action sequences, which they DID keyframe. And there was NO zombielike facial animation. That was all keyframed too. Point being. mocap was used where it made sense. But Zemeckis' stuff? You're right on that one. Anyway, tell your friend to speak to Brad Bird or dig up one of those interviews where he discussed that dig.
The year's Little Miss *Batteries Not Included by Paulseta	Jun 27th, 2008 06:30:12 PM
Or Little Miss Silent Running 2: The Revenge. In all fairness though, it was interesting that you can read the entire film as a metaphor for fear of sodomy. Brave move for a kid's film. I'm also sad that they had to cut the scene with Nicholas Cage voicing a gay pimp named Robodong. Guess the test marketing showed that it was too much to take.
Just got back. . . by Matrowl	Jun 27th, 2008 06:39:35 PM
And yes, Wall-e is a masterpiece. If the academy awards have any credulity left, this will be a serious contender for year's best picture. One of the most unique and entertaining films I've seen in years.
Cars by gringostar	Jun 27th, 2008 06:46:32 PM
If you have kids you quickly learn to like this movie as you end up watching it daily or it distracts the kids so you can have a moment to yourself for a change - which is great. It really is not as bad as everyone made it out to be... It certainly beats the shit out of each of the Shrek series, but maybe that isn't saying much...
Crazy visuals by disfigurehead	Jun 27th, 2008 06:58:02 PM
It's no Intedibles but I still enjoyed it. The things they can do with Commodore 64's these days.
HoboCode by Whitemouse	Jun 27th, 2008 07:26:07 PM
"anti-cinemism" is my new favorite term.
How much higher can the bar go? by Zarles	Jun 27th, 2008 08:13:25 PM
If you can't at least appreciate the masterpiece that Wall-E is, you have no soul. Period. The Incredibles, Ratatouille, and now Wall-E. I can't wait for or possibly imagine what's going to be next. Bring it on.
The way Wall-E lives in isolation... by REDD	Jun 27th, 2008 08:15:36 PM
and some of the overhead shots of the city reminded me of "I Am Legend"; maybe Legend should have been done by Pixar. It would really be interesting to see what they would do with an "adult" themed, dramatic story.
Complete Idiots. by Steve Young	Jun 27th, 2008 08:45:11 PM
I'm just kidding. I love all of you, even the continually whiny ones. OK, not you. So "Wall-E" is totally fantastic. Yes, a little didactic and preachy. But it's for children to digest, and a more subtle message might be misread. It EARNS its message. If you don't shed a single tear during the movie, you have no soul. (Don't worry, lots of soulless people live very happy complete lives.) By the way, the "live-action" portions were a VERY small percentage of the movie, and they were there TO REMIND US THAT YES, THESE POOR, MESSED UP HUMANS ARE US, NOT SOME CG FANTASY CREATION. THEY ARE US. The environmental message is just THAT serious to the creative folk at Pixar. But COME ON. What kind of perverted, purist philosophy are you espousing when the appearance of live-action in CGI is enough to make you call artistic foul? Geezus, people. As usual, you've taken your arbitrary likes and pet peeves and blown them way out of proportion. The film is fantastic. Go see it. Who cares how much better or worse than "The Incredibles" (great flick too) it is? Stop making numbered lists and go out and enjoy a movie.
How to prove that you love movies ... by BruceVain	Jun 27th, 2008 09:02:42 PM
... because books are too damn demanding. Step One: Use the word "adversely," which means "in a harmful manner," when what you apparently mean is "CONVERSELY," or "on the other hand." Jesus! I'll start taking the "reviewers" here remotely seriously when they can approximate the vocabulary of the average eighth grader.
WALL-E by Tenenbaum	Jun 27th, 2008 09:17:47 PM
great film. what is next for PIXAR?
Liked it a LOT! But one BIG problem. by Dogmatic	Jun 27th, 2008 09:23:47 PM
This movie is waaaaaaaay too preachy and though I am not entirely sure where Quint got the Christ subtext there is NO subtext whatsoever to the "We are killing the Earth with our commercialism (I mean the leader of Earth is the president of a Wal-Mart clone named Buy and Large??? Really??) and that Earth is gonna kick us off and we are gonna get so fat we cant walk and become completely automated and then after a long enough exodus Mother Earth will sprout life and give us another chance but we gotta start out all primitive again...and preferably stay that way. I mean I am not saying I am against that idea but I am saying that this movie is plenty good and cute and fun and awesomely beautiful animation without getting beat the hell out of with the Green Stick. If they were gonna do it at least it coulda been a LITTLE subtle...anyway...had to say it...but otherwise this one instantly goes behind Incredibles and could go up after repeat viewings.
OOPS SPOILER for what I posted above!!!!! by Dogmatic	Jun 27th, 2008 09:24:25 PM

The Times reviewer makes an interesting observation. by FluffyUnbound	Jun 27th, 2008 09:30:44 PM
He claims that it's deliberate that the message of the film [against the dangers of the progression of industrial society] is expressed via the character of a robot [which was the ultimate product of that very same industrial society]. He sees a deliberate ambiguity there. So perhaps, by extension, we can consider the possibility that the people at Pixar are well aware of the fact that their anti-commercialism message is delivered via the vehicle of the Disney commercialism juggernaut. In other words, Whiny, it's possible that by your very bitching you are serving their scheme quite well, and that your discomfort with the film is part of the total range of what they wanted the audience to feel.
NegativeBitch... by SmarkJobber	Jun 27th, 2008 09:37:05 PM
...it seems like your biggest complaint about Pixar's output is the simplicity and familiarity of the themes they explore. Over the last 100+ years of cinema (and centuries of literature) every theme and story has been told, retold, repackaged, and sold again. Most people who come to this site will not be surprised by a film's story -- in fact I'd wager that a lot of TBers can watch a film and telegraph it all the way through. So what? Plots are a dime a dozen. Pixar makes no bones that children are the primary audience for their work, and as such the themes presented in a more overt fashion than say, a PTA film. If you can make peace with that before you walk into the theater, then you should be able to focus on Pixar's biggest strength -- their storytelling muscle. The fact that you describe Pixar's films as "schmaltzy,""shallow," and "lazy" tells me that you can't (or even worse, can but consciously don't) recognize true, professional filmmaking. It's obvious that no one will ever be able to convince you to look beyond the "kiddie" aspect of animation, and it would be pointless to try given your outlook and attitude, yet you keep posting here like you want someone to help you see what you obviously can't. Why? Just trying to live up to your moniker? Mission accomplished.
HEY WHITE PPL by kgerm	Jun 27th, 2008 10:27:21 PM
STOP PUTTING ELECTRIC BOOGALOO AFTER EVERY FAKE SEQUEL TITLE.
Peter Gabriel was a very welcome alternative by Dogmatic	Jun 27th, 2008 10:33:53 PM
to Randy Newman. I am so done with Randy Newman. Peter Gabriel is great....nice song too.
Biggest laugh: by Nasty In The Pasty	Jun 27th, 2008 10:36:01 PM
The spork.
No, not a terrorist. by SmarkJobber	Jun 27th, 2008 10:59:49 PM
But you are (self-admittedly) a whiny, negative bitch. The fact that you thought "Rambo" was a good film tells me a lot as far as how your taste jives (or rather, doesn't) with mine. Different strokes and all that. But Pixar, "lazy"?
RE: The live-action actors in Wall-E by zillabeast	Jun 27th, 2008 11:11:26 PM
I too was a little miffed about this when I first heard about it. After seeing the finished product though, I am 100% on-board with that choice. Sure, Pixar could have rendered a beautiful CGI Fred Willard, but I think it would have taken away some of the punch this movie packs in the sense that....this COULD be the future. It's not that far fetched to imagine. Throwing in some "real" people just makes the message hit home a bit harder. Maybe a little direct, but extremely effective.
great social commentary. i enjoyed it. but Kung Fu Panda by future help	Jun 27th, 2008 11:18:25 PM
was better.(i know, im surprised to say it.) Panda was more fun and great adventure. To me, the Incredibles, Nemo and Monsters Inc. are still Pixars best.
:D by AuntieMeat	Jun 27th, 2008 11:56:22 PM
Well... he seems to be a Mac for 2 reasons. A, the boot chime, which I'm sure will spark kids to start calling their computers "Wall-E" at home and/or school in some extremely minute sliver of the population. And B, that wee board inside of him. Most of the Macs I've taken apart since the iMacs with Intel chips rolled around (and some PowerMacs before that) tended to have a blue logic board on the inside, instead of the standard PC green. It made my little Apple technician heart warm when she kept bringing him the stinky green ones but he needed a blue. Can be a negative, but I'm a dork that loves that... :)
Nice Mrs. Incredible Statue by ROBRAM89	Jun 28th, 2008 12:03:53 AM
Helen DOES have an ass on her.
This was not an "environmental" movie by darthvedder81	Jun 28th, 2008 01:37:32 AM
And it really kinda irks me that both liberals AND conservatives are reading that into the movie. The liberals love it because it's some big commentary on us destroying the planet (it's not) and the conservatives say those same elements somehow "ruin" the movie (wow, did they miss the point). Sigh.
Pixar is overrrated by Rupee88	Jun 28th, 2008 01:58:03 AM
They have done three truly great movies...Toy Story, Toy Story 2 and the Incredibles. The rest are all either just marginally entertaining or downright annoying and bad. They don't have any truly offensively bad films though. But you can still be damn good..or still be great, and be overrated. Pixar deserves props, but people way overstate their quality and artistry.
I fucking loved it! by JustSomeDude899	Jun 28th, 2008 02:09:54 AM
Saw it earlier tonight. Just posted a review, if you wanna check it out: http://blogs.ign.com/JustSomeD ude899
Darthvedder81 by JustSomeDude899	Jun 28th, 2008 02:13:37 AM
I think you're missing the point. Social commentary was definitely part of the movie.
nonsensical by snitchseeker	Jun 28th, 2008 02:45:15 AM
Don't listen to them bro. Whoever wrote that letter is an idiot. The live actor thing is minimal and actually works for the tone. I'd agree with whoever said this was one of the most important movies of this decade, especially to American movie making. And to all the old people complaining about it being a kids movie, its totally not. Or its not stupid like kids movies are, its not sugar-porn. There arent any excited rodents. Its what kids movies should be (and what a lot of kids books are) straight up STORY, through and through. Go see this movie.
I think... by AnubisGOJ	Jun 28th, 2008 02:47:44 AM
For me, Wall*E was a paint-by-numbers movie that failed to elicit a single emotional response. For my full comments, check out: A_Baran.1up.com
ooh, also... by snitchseeker	Jun 28th, 2008 02:48:00 AM
it's such a human movie. God this movie rocks. I love it.
WOW by SAVOIR_faire	Jun 28th, 2008 05:05:48 AM
Just got back from this flick, still fresh Peter Gabriel ringing in my ears... Incredibles is hereby TIED for best Pixar flick in my book. Nothing to say that hasn't already been said. Wall-E is a shot to the heart, mind and funny bone, with precision aim. LOVE THIS FILM!
Can we please have a spoiler moratorium for all the poor by half vader	Jun 28th, 2008 06:00:08 AM
Aussies who have to wait 'til SEPTEMBER for it? What happened to us getting big movies two days BEFORE everybody?? Our school break is NEXT WEEK - do they NOT want to make money??! Gah! Oh well, see youse guys in a few months fucking Disney shithead distribution sucks to be us etc. etc. grumble grumble. Sniff.
OK, I have the ultimate Whiny test: by FluffyUnbound	Jun 28th, 2008 07:58:43 AM
AI - Did you like it?
I hope they put in a cameo of by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jun 28th, 2008 08:15:05 AM
V.I.N.C.E.N.T. OR OLD B.O.B.
Let's play.. by BeatsMe	Jun 28th, 2008 09:30:53 AM
rank the PIxar flicks: 1. Ratatouille (to me, it's the most emotionally involving movie they've made) 2. Finding Nemo 3. Toy Story 4. The Incredibles (a little overrated) 5. Cars (better than I expected) 6. Monsters Inc. 7. Toy Story 2 (too frantic, kind of a rehash)
saw it last night by Lingerdog	Jun 28th, 2008 10:46:23 AM
Incredible film that is going to make huge bank this weekend. I live in a small town with a one screen theater that has never been sold out by any movie, tonight it was sold out. And as for weather or not the film truly connects with it's audience, there is a scene very late in the movie where Eve is trying to get wall-e to respond and the whole theater was silent, all the girls, and all the guys, even the 13-15 year old douche's that were sitting in the row behind us and had been talking for part of the movie, that moment sucked everyone in so deep because a character had been created and the story had brought us so far, that we waited with baited breath for the magic to happen, and when it did, the crowd went wild.
absolutely. by wontyouletmeknow.	Jun 28th, 2008 10:48:59 AM
best film of the year so far. absolutely. Great Job, Pixar.
And drturing by wontyouletmeknow.	Jun 28th, 2008 10:51:35 AM
Very well said. I agree with you completely. Transformers indeed.
GODDAMN IPOD COMMERCIAL! THAT'S IRONIC, GIVEN THE MOVIE'S MORAL! by mish87	Jun 28th, 2008 10:59:49 AM

The Twinkie by Alientoast	Jun 28th, 2008 12:27:29 PM
I laughed at the fact the twinkie looked the same after 700 years, because it's probably true. Do those damn things have ANY organic material in them?
Pixar is the happiest place on Earth!!! by JackRabbitSlim	Jun 28th, 2008 12:38:07 PM
Creepy...
Really good flick by TerryMalloy	Jun 28th, 2008 12:40:11 PM
I enjoyed it tremendously.
For those that think Pixar is lazy by TerryMalloy	Jun 28th, 2008 12:45:40 PM
... I hope some ambitious Pixar animator throttles you in your sleep. Seriously. That film was visually imaginative, fun, poignant, and handled with a verve I haven't seen in an animated movie in quite some time.
Masterpiece? by Pop_aristocrat	Jun 28th, 2008 01:15:25 PM
Wall-E looks good thus far, but is it a 'masterpiece' in the same regard as Finding Nemo? Everyone goes on and on about that movie...and Ratatouille, and you know, I really didn't find either that new or entertaining. To their credit, both movies are wonderful visually, but they are kids stories, and just running through the same paces that have been set for the last two or three decades.
Masterpiece. by SAVOIR_faire	Jun 28th, 2008 01:46:23 PM
Yes.
Pop_aristocrat and Whinynegative... by snitchseeker	Jun 28th, 2008 02:24:24 PM
I agree with what you say about Finding Nemo, it was doing something that's basically already been done, but doing it very well. You have to admit that Ratatouille was a pretty different scenario, and so French...which really worked. Wall-e is a work of art. It's like when Picasso went from his classical training (which was still brilliant in it's form, just like Finding Nemo) to cubist and surrealist paintings. It's the same medium, but it's broadening the boundaries of cinema and how cinema can effect the viewer. I found myself, more than anything, thinking about what it means to be human. They illicit deep emotion and human value with very simple robot. So that's sort of an answer to your question too, whinynegateive, about why this is an "important" film.
JustSomeDude by darthvedder81	Jun 28th, 2008 02:40:27 PM
"Social commentary" yes but it was commentary on the laziness of humans and how we aim way too low. The humans weren't "bad" or "evil" which really surprised me (I was expecting the captain to be a bad guy based on the trailers). This was no environmental polemic ala "Ferngully" or "Happy Feet." To reduce the films message to a cliched "save the earth" statement is to miss the point. Pixar is too smart for that.
Just saw it... by MJAYACE	Jun 28th, 2008 02:58:38 PM
I thought it was good, but not as good as some others here. I still like incredibles and both Toy Story movies the best. My four year old got a bit distracted in the middle as well which is not a good sign considering he didn't blink during Kung Fu Panda. I KNOW ITS A KID MOVIE but from an adult's perspective, I also felt a bit uncomfortable to the obvious preaching it was doing. I wonder how overweight people will take to this movie? I wonder what Harry's take will be in how it reduces obesity to pure laziness and overindulgence? I am not a fat person, but I wonder how they will feel about this movie? Do we have so little hope for humanity? Will we really take the earth to the point where garbage will crowd us off the planet? I have a little more faith in our plight. Good points above about consumerism as well, which was not at all veiled, yet the movie and toy products, McDona/lds cups and everything else "Wall-E" are all part of the problem it not so elegantly tries to raise. The visuals were unbelievable though, if you look at the first Toy Story movie you can see how far they have come.
WallE blows every othe Pixar movie away. incredible movie. by BMacSmith	Jun 28th, 2008 03:19:00 PM
how can anyone possibly not like this movie? you have no soul if you dont like it.
Just Saw The Movie.... by CCSO1449	Jun 28th, 2008 03:56:14 PM
....and man was I disappointed. I've been a huge fan of Pixar's work in the past and was looking forward to this movie but it just fell flat. Great animation and the story between Wall-E and Eve is cute, at least it has that going for it. The problem is that it tries to hard to cram an enviromental message down your throat for two hours. I felt like the movie was directed by Al Gore. I go to the movies to be entertained, not to have political and eviromental messages pushed on me. I can get that at home on CNN for free. Pixar really let me down with this one.
It's not obesity by ScotFree	Jun 28th, 2008 04:21:25 PM
The people were large, but it wasn't about them being fat at all. Quint mentioned what it was - a nascent state. They'd de-volved, as it were. They were babies. They lacked physical and emotional development because nothing had ever been expected of them - they never matured. As someone who is 1) incredibly overweight and 2) easily offended, I really think that if anyone would be offended by the message (had it been a slam on fat people), it would be me. Instead, its about the power of human contact - each time a resident of the Axiom is touched, it changes them. The guy who falls off his chair, the woman who has her screen turned off...the captain. Pixar knew what it was doing. This movie is an hour and 43 minute master class of film making. Masterpiece? Oh hell yes.
Perhaps you are in the wrong forum negativebitch by zooch	Jun 28th, 2008 04:27:32 PM
We are all geeks here. we grew up worshiping film by George Lucas and Steven Speilberg. Pixar films may not be the depth of say Citizen Kane. But they are well crafted, beautiful, inventive, entertaining, and fun like no other films. And I'm not saying shut your brain off when you go to one, they aren't stupid films. They are just classic inspiring little tales that achieve exactly what they are supposed to, and do it well.
i finally understand the hate for this now! by BMacSmith	Jun 28th, 2008 04:40:37 PM
i finally understand the hate now. If you worship at the altar of Walmart and think that any movie that doesnt conform to your strict belief that pollution is a myth (not just global warming, but all pollution!) you will not like Wall-E. too bad, i thought it was a work of art, myself, and most people would consider me a conservative. I never felt like i was preached to at all, and believe me i hate that shit too!
i finally understand the hate for this now! by BMacSmith	Jun 28th, 2008 04:42:53 PM
i finally understand the hate now. If you worship at the altar of Walmart and have a strict belief that pollution is a myth (not just global warming, but all pollution!) you will not like Wall-E. too bad, i thought it was a work of art, myself, and most people would consider me a conservative. I never felt like i was preached to at all, and believe me i hate that shit too!
people by cesaria	Jun 28th, 2008 05:02:13 PM
the only people who think this movie is preachy or trying to ram things down your throat are just looking for something to hate about it. it never once felt forced on me.
This was a masterpiece by Maxer	Jun 28th, 2008 05:32:00 PM
The ability to convey such an engaging romance with no actual lines.. just wow. And seriously, they weren't cramming anything. Consumerism sucks, but they weren't preaching.
Masterpiece? Absolutely by Beard of Zeus	Jun 28th, 2008 06:48:17 PM
Trust your instincts. It's Pixar. No more need be said.
We liked it by d-bob8	Jun 28th, 2008 08:30:15 PM
Took my 4.5 year old today for his !st movie theater movie and we both liked it. I'm curious if anyone noticed any "easter egg" like references to older pixar movies, presumably in all that junk. Also felt like it stirred up a little of the whole "1984" feeling of the future too.(ie apple as creativeness and soul (WallE) vs corporate controled/sheeplike (PC)) But I'm a mac-man so its cool with me. Definitely one of the better movies I've seen.
Pixar "Easter Eggs"... by Nasty In The Pasty	Jun 28th, 2008 09:44:34 PM
I caught a quick glimpse of Rex from Toy Story when Wall*E first opened up his domicile. Don't blink or you'll miss him.
Great movie by Dataset	Jun 28th, 2008 09:52:55 PM
Just wonderful. The only complaint is that bone density loss coupled with obesity and micro gravity would have prevented a return to earth. The diaphragm would weaken and prohibit normal lung function and everyone would die of cardiac arrest within weeks. Other than that, it was wonderful!
George Lucas needs to take a lesson... by depalma25	Jun 28th, 2008 10:16:42 PM
from Pixar. This great technology is absolutely useless if it plays second fiddle to good storytelling. The genius of these projects begin with the screenplay. Like the saying goes, "if it aint on the page, it aint on the stage." Lucas still believes it was raised expectations that led such negative reaction to his prequels. Bullshit. Pixar has not only raised the bar of CGI rendered filmmaking, but, really since Toy Story 2, have been expected to hit it out of the ballpark each time up to the plate. And they do.
JUST SAW IT... by BurgerTime	Jun 28th, 2008 10:33:44 PM
It really is one of Pixar's finest creations. It doesn't clobber you like The Incredibles, or tickle the funny bone like Toy Story or Monsters Inc. It doesn't even look as slickly rendered as Cars. But what it does do is weave a quiet, gentle love story among the stars. And be the time the final scenes roll, you're captured. Truly and completely.
Saw it tonight (POTENTIAL SPOILERS) ... by BruceVain	Jun 28th, 2008 11:45:46 PM
... and really, really liked it, although more so the scenes on Earth than the ones in space. Either way, Pixar deserves big kudos for remembering that movies are supposed to tell a story visually, not through dialogue alone (or, worse yet, distract you with disconnected spectacle that's untethered to any sort of narrative). This is a movie that tastes good and is good for you, and anybody who thinks that its message is too partisan is confusing the political with the POLITICIZED. Oh, and spare me from the affected world-weariness of 27-year-old "sophisticates." If you can't see how movies like Monsters Inc. and Nemo use seemingly familiar family-movie tropes to address extremely adult anxieties in a revolutionary way ... well, that only proves that Pixar is waiting for YOU to catch up, not the other way around.
you heard it here. One of the best Sci Fi movies EVER by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 29th, 2008 12:45:22 AM
JUST SAW IT guys and WOWWWWWWWWWWWW. what a beeeaaaautiful movie....one of the best pixar flicks(there are so many great ones) and i'd even say it's one of the best scifi flicks i've seen in a longg time..sorry about hyping it up, but it ain't without reason.
Pure cinema, pure magic. by FarSky	Jun 29th, 2008 12:48:53 AM
Absolute brilliance.
another reason why it's so good. by disfigurehead	Jun 29th, 2008 12:52:09 AM
Freakin pet cockroach!
OK i asked this on another thread by Series7	Jun 29th, 2008 01:17:32 AM
But who thought "Nuke the fridge" when they saw the fridge? Also who stayed till the very very end (after the NES graphics of Wall-E) and saw the BNL logo come up after the Disney logo, sort of implying that Disney IS BNL? Its really hard, because I know Stanton and Lasseter and Co are making this magical wonderful movie but they are making it for the company that IS BnL? But man I can't wait to see it again.
big f'n surprise - you were invited to Pixar... by JimCurry	Jun 29th, 2008 02:25:52 AM
and then it turns out you liked the flick.. wow, i'm shocked... good thing for you it really is quite good.
I loved this movie by Saracen1	Jun 29th, 2008 03:00:11 AM
Quite simply, it was adorable.
tom bodet by The InSneider	Jun 29th, 2008 03:38:16 AM
is a cock knocker.
I doubt they'll credit Zelazny for ripping off part of his by Dingbatty	Jun 29th, 2008 07:50:54 AM
"For a Breath I Tarry" http://www.rcub.bg.ac.yu/~alex p/books/forbreat.html
To Whiny ... by BruceVain	Jun 29th, 2008 09:04:35 AM
Since I'm the "dude" from whom you wanted an explanation of adult themes in Monsters Inc. ... glad you asked! The entire movie is a metaphor for how parents deal with their children's fears. When Sully says in the climax, "She's not afraid of you anymore," he's embodying an experience every parent has at one time or another: realizing that the child has (abruptly, to our grown-up eyes) outgrown an emotional reaction that was largely impenetrable to us in the first place. Were Monsters just a kids' movie, Boo would be the audience-identification character, and would have tons of dialogue ... instead, Sully (the surrogate parent) is the one through whose eyes we see the action, and Boo is a largely nonverbal mystery. What's great about this movie and Nemo (which I think of as companion pieces) is how they speak directly to parents and regard them as more than just babysitters stuck in a theater for a couple of hours.
Easily The Greatest PIXAR Film Ever, A Must-See Classic... by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 09:31:49 AM
and one of the greatest animated films ever made. Can't wait to hear how offended the morbidly obese community (and just fat lazy useless people in general which seems to be just about everybody on Earth these days) is by the truth that Wall-E brilliantly, humorously, emotionally, and finally transcendent redemptionly pumps into their clogged up brain cells. WALL-E is a must see all time classic.
It's good, but COME ON-- HERE'S MY REVIEW by corplhicks	Jun 29th, 2008 10:55:54 AM
MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD 5 4 3 2 1 "PIxar comes through again with another display of their superb visual talents, although this time at the expense of an A+ execution and story. WAll E is the last of his kind on a long abandoned, hopelessly polluted Earth, seemingly incapable of supporting plant life. He is forever performing his original function-- clean up garbage. All of his counterparts ceased working long ago. Why his creators instilled a sense of self into an automated garbage machine is unclear. He eventually finds evidence another robotic being and a small plant. This triggers the second half of the film which takes place in space on an Ark, for lack of a better term-- a massive ship where humans exist, but do not "live"-- it was supposed to be in space for 5 years for people to take a cruise while the Earth got cleaned up. We learn later on that the 5 year goal to clean up Earth was deemed impossible and the auto-pilot who really runs the ship, has been programmed to never permit humans to return to their polluted, trashed world. Also, the fate of the other mega-ships holding humans is never discussion, although it is shown in the film that many such ships exist. On it humans are mindless, fat slobs who are fixated on a computer screen brainwashing them into consumerism and eating themselves into gigantism The outer space shots and images of the spaceship are crisp and cool, the images on Earth are dreary and blurry-- we trashed Earth the movie reminds us over and over and over and OVER again. The message of the movie is anti-pollution, save the environment, anti-consumerism (an example of a Mega-Mega Store is shown (guess who they are knocking there?)), and anti-globalization. Also that we are lazy, gluttonous, fat slobs as a species (guess they are right). The story of WAll E himself in terms of his character development is flawed in that he is simply lonely, finds a companion and is interested in her. You never really see that he understands the mission of his companion although maybe that was the idea-- you see him helping her, but it is never clean he "gets it". Naturally, like in every Pixar movie, this is a brief, stressed moment at the end when all seems lost, but is quickly transformed into a feel-good tearjerker of an ending. Overall, its entertaining and the little ones seeing it will never see the gaping holes. Adults will enjoy the cuteness, but they hit-you-over-the-head with the anti- pollution message (and this comes from a "Green" Sierra Club member who believes in this stuff)-- even Earth's orbit is shown to be a disaster. Personally, I found the most entertaining part of the movie the Pixar short film they graced us with at the introduction. I give this 3 *** out of 5."
Here's the crazy, liberal political message of Wall-E that I too by The Wolf at the Door	Jun 29th, 2008 11:01:25 AM
Stop being a total lard butt and get off your duff. Learn to take care of yourself, get regular exercise and clean up after yourself. Yeah, I know. It's like FREAKIN AL GORE directed this film! And, um, the script was by Louis Farrakhan, with edits by FDR and Huey Long ... and Abbie Hoffman, and Stalin were the Executive Producers. It's THAT liberal, people! No movie tells me I can't lay around all day watching TV and drinking Super Big Gulps without repurcussions. THIS IS AMERICA, PEOPLE!
Reality Has A Liberal Bias by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 12:42:14 PM
Hence the message of this film resonating, deeply, with more or less everyone who sees it. People realize, finally, that we're seeing the world become the place we've been warned about for years, but the right wing stubbornly refuses to acknowledge (something to do with ability to make huge fistfulls of cash off of the things that are killing us, natch. The cash flow trumping EVERYTHING else in the mind of the ultra right winger -- which is one of the reasons the whole right wing Jeebus-freak axis is so weird. Could the teachings of Christ be any farther removed from the agenda of the ultra right wing? They're like polar opposites, Maybe they figure if they pretend to follow Jesus, God won't notice or something?). This movie is an exaggeration (hello, its a cartoon after all) and simplification of the core issues, true, but the core issues resonate, are sincere, and hit the core underlying tragedy of this slow-motion train-wreck of a world we've created for ourselves. SPOILERSPOILER* < br>HOWEVER, note that, in the end, the humans change their ways and repair the damage they've done to the Earth (as shown in the brilliant credits sequence with the animated cave paintings / evolution of art montage). So it's hardly that humans are irredeemable slobs, but that they've been led astray by sinister forces of rampant consumerism, the captains of industry, who's waste, neglect, and gross systemic incompetence have led us to the very precipice of a self-inflicted apocalyptic collapse. Don't worry though, if this truth is too hard for you to swallow, there is also a very sweet love story at the core of the film that will also entertain you. It really is a beautifully done film. I can't wait for the DVD.
Well-said, LaserPants! by SAVOIR_faire	Jun 29th, 2008 12:44:52 PM
Seconded.
i'm a fat, lazy fuck and i wasnt offended by this movie! by BMacSmith	Jun 29th, 2008 12:55:35 PM
some of you are so sensitive! bunch of fucking pussies! oh no they made fun of Wal-mart! oh no they point out that if you sit on your ass all day and eat you will get fat! HOW DARE THEY!!!!
Does anyone else remember ... by The Wolf at the Door	Jun 29th, 2008 01:12:09 PM
Those commercials they'd show on TV during the after-school cartoons that told kids they should get outside more and watch less TV? I think they were produced by the Mormon Church, and I keep thinking back to those while reading the negative feedback this movie is getting from some corners. I could understand this reaction more if the film was hackneyed, but can you say you weren't still entertained? Moreover, I don't think BNL is ever made out to be "evil" or "greedy," or whatever, just problematic for humanity when taken to an extreme. I mean, really, it's hardly a diatribe or a controversial statement to say you shouldn't let yourself atrophy to the point that you can't support yourself on your own two legs. (Is that what counts for "liberal" these days? Geez!)
Little Miss Wall-E Best movie of 2008 by jesusne0	Jun 29th, 2008 01:28:27 PM
Sorry for trying to fit in
Where are your other Wall*E reviews by Larry of Arabia	Jun 29th, 2008 01:30:09 PM
I believe a while ago Harry and Mori were talking about how they were dying to write this up but couldn't say anything yet. Well..?
It's space, not politics by TheSecondQuest	Jun 29th, 2008 02:18:19 PM
I think people taking the whole "fat and lazy" thing a bit too seriously as a political statement. It's fact that even relatively short stays in space/zero-to-low-G can have drastic effects on bone mass and other aspects. And since most people wouldn't be willing to endure the rigorous exercise regiment needed to slow those effects (it still wouldn't stop them), after 700 years most people probably would be fat and unable to sustain their own weight. Is there a message there with it in relation to the consumerism? Sure, but only so far as it's an exageration or extrapolation of fact, injected into a larger message. Anyone taking it a direct element of a message should really reconsider their analysis as it just strikes me as not being aware of environmental effects (no pun intended) in space.
To paraphrase Kurtwood Smith: by Christopher3	Jun 29th, 2008 03:41:20 PM
Bitchers leave. Wall-E pwns.
I kind-of hated this movie... by JackIsLost	Jun 29th, 2008 05:35:13 PM
And I have loved everything else Pixar has ever done, so I'm not a hater. And I am not offended by the film's "message" and actually think it's good to be environmentally conscious. That is not the problem. The problem is the completely perfunctory and dull plotting that kicks in once Wall-E leaves Earth. There is some nonsense set up so that a plant must not be destroyed and some robot with a HAL-9000 complex is assigned as villain and wants to destroy it. But it all feels so labored... This is not a film where the character's passion drives the plot and that is my big problem. In RATATOUILLE, it's Remi's desire to cook, in TOY STORY, the dolls desire to be loved, in FINDING NEMO the desire for father-son reunion... In Wall-E, there is a desire for connection with another being (by Wall-E, for Eve) but it gets MINIMAL screen-time...maybe 30 minutes total. The rest is focused on this worthless story about the stupid, fat human babies and I grew restless. If only it focused primarily on the robots, this could have been great. It could also made its message with less preachy lectures but whatever... This isn't a terrible movie, I suppose, but compared to most other Pixar work, it is a HUGE disappointment...
Wall E #1 and Indy 4 with $299,936,000 !!! by Orionsangels	Jun 29th, 2008 05:44:09 PM
Indy 4 has just about reached 300 million. Okay asshole talkbacker. Where are you? The one who told me Indy 4 would never hit 300 million. Well well look who was right and who was wrong.
so so film by robamenta	Jun 29th, 2008 06:05:24 PM
the first half was fantastic, but once they get to the axiom it falls apart. it becomes very chaotic and a mess. its obvious they had a great set up but didnt know what to do with it. and they also needed to tack on a happy ending, its too bad, becasue it was really touching and had great ideas... in the first half anyway. its the same shit the pulled on the incredibles. they gotta make people feeling good at the end. they need those big busks
well, Fark said by Stevie Grant	Jun 29th, 2008 06:05:27 PM
that the Washington Times said that WallE was a godless commie. Where's Massa's coverage on this flick?
But The Movie WAS Primarily Focused on the Robots, Jack by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 06:14:35 PM
Very nearly it was ALL focused on the robots -- WallE and Eve specifically and their developing relationship -- most of the 'message' is background until they get to the ship, so thats kind of a crazy statement to make, Jack, and way off. I do think that the later half of the film is more conventional in a broad sense (chase scene, happy ending), but its still good, nay, GREAT, and one of the most unique animated films ever made. Certainly the most unique Pixar has ever made which is saying a lot. Truly I agree that the real brilliance / genius is in the first half, which is really most of the movie -- WallE and later EVE on Earth -- told almost completely without dialogue, just sound efx and the robots adorably limited dialogue (mostly just saying each other's name in different inflections, as well as one word phrases like "Directive!" and "Plant!' and so on and so forth in addition to funny referential sound efx, clicks, whirrs, and beeps). I thought it was brilliant, and touching, and more than a little adorable while also being quite dark and clever. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but personally I found Ratatouille kinda 'meh' and WALL*E to be absolutely brilliant, I totally loved it.
Bitch... by SmarkJobber	Jun 29th, 2008 07:06:55 PM
...if you're getting sick of hearing the praise, why the hell do you keep coming back to this TB? What is your objective in repeating your dislike of Pixar films? We get it. You hate Pixar. Why bring "Grave of the Fireflies" into this? No one made a comparison to that or any of the other films you mentioned. Why can't they co-exist? Wait, have you even seen "Wall-e" yet? If not, I have to ask...why are you in this TB whining (and bitching, negatively) about being exposed to the praise? Who are you trying to convince and what are you trying to convince them of?
Give a Hoot, Don't Pollute by corplhicks	Jun 29th, 2008 07:09:47 PM
"Hey kids, give a hoot, buy my stuff". I think people need to eat less, exercise more, and care about our planet a greater amount. My issue isn't with the message of the movie, it is with the development of the story and characters. There was brilliance, such as the unspoken emotions and communication between the two main characters, but a lot of the rest of the movie was lacking. Seeing humans reduced to mindless drones was idiotic, despite the premise of the movie. And the couple of humans we do meet or have a name have an unclear role. The captain is initially retarded, then grows a brain in 10 minutes???? Puh-Leez. Images of a spoiled Earth were well done. Returning to Earth, someone wrote above that humans learned. There was nothing to "learn" -- the humans who returned were mindless morons incapable of running a culture or planet, let alone figuring out what to do with the garbage can of a planet they have just landed on, i.e., Earth. Only seeing that there was a lot of vegetation near the landing sight gave any hope that they would not all be dead within 30 days. Oh and where is the drinking water? Anyone think of that? Not much to be had, was there?! Come on, admit it, this movie was mediocre at best, despite its sledge hammer message. The Magician short at the beginning was a LOT better.
"Until they get to the ship"... by JackIsLost	Jun 29th, 2008 07:11:29 PM
They arrive at the ship at the half-hour mark... I maintain that this film's priorities are ass-backwards and the fact that everyone if focusing on the human subplot and now the bot-love is a sign of the problem.
KurtLockwood, about those Randy Newman songs... by jarjarsjockstrap	Jun 29th, 2008 07:21:45 PM
Pretty sure the song playing during the end credits is, in fact, a Randy Newman joint. but don't hold me to that.
And about the ACTUAL movie... by jarjarsjockstrap	Jun 29th, 2008 07:28:30 PM
Not bad. I'm probably among the minority, here, in that I thought the first half sucked, as it was the same ol' post-apocalyptic crap we've seen time and again. except, this time, it starred a Johnny 5/ET hybrid. Oh, cool -- WALL-E developed a personality! Never seen that before -- short circuit (cough, cough short circuit. And when WALL-E screams -- totally didn't sound like ET. Nope, not at all. Brief history lesson, guys: Johnny 5 was a complete rip off of ET and the CHARACTER of WALL-E is a complete rip off of them both. That being said, the film's plot, once it kicks into space (literally), is damn-fine sci-fi. damn fine. so, kudos to Pixar for putting together another original plot. Didn't reach the brilliance of Monsters, Inc., Toy Story, the incredibles, (and my personal favorite) Ratatouille -- but it still killed the hell out of all the other animated drivel on the market. And, cars STILL sucks.
Well, for one thing... by SmarkJobber	Jun 29th, 2008 07:44:44 PM
...you haven't even seen the movie that you're trying to convince people to avoid! You don't have to click on the "Wall-E" articles. Do you seriously not have have the ounce of self-control it takes to resist discussion of this movie? Don't play the victim, please, it's a fucking movie. By the way, I agree that people who like "Wall-E" and are thus excited about animation should check out Miyazaki if they have not already done so, but I don't give a shit if they don't. Personally, I love Miyazaki and Pixar -- why do they have to be compared? You take elitism to a whole new stratosphere -- Pixar fanboys are one thing, you are on a whole other level of snobbery (one where "Rambo" is somehow considered a good movie).
Its Closer To An Hour Before They Reach The Ship by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 07:53:26 PM
EVE doesn't even show up until 25-30 minutes in. And most of the time is spent on Earth. At least half, closer to 3/4s of it.
Ok, LaserPants, you obviously didn't see the movie... by JackIsLost	Jun 29th, 2008 07:55:43 PM
3/4 takes place on the Axiom, not Earth. Either you were high, have very bad memory or are just a liar but the VAST majority takes place on the spaceship with about 20-25 minutes on Earth at the beginning and 5 minutes at the end.
Of Course Miyazaki Has Explored The Same Themes by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 08:00:24 PM
in a more emotionally complex manner... buuuut, how does that make Pixar's effort invalid or unworthy? Thats kind of, well, close minded and, dare I say it, retarded. Also, Miyazaki doesn't have the same reach as Pixar does in the States, sad as that may be, more people here have access to Pixar's output than Studio Ghibli's. Although the wonder of internets and Netflix allows your average morbidly obese american slob to have access to Miyazaki's films. Just don't confuse your love of one artists work to mean you have to revile the work of others, especially when they're both good. Open thine mindhole and experience the joy of deep knowings and wisdom havings!
Yeah, Jack, I'm Lying, High, And Have Poor Memory by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 08:16:38 PM
I never saw the movie. Wait, what did I just say? Oh yeah. I never saw the movie. In fact, it took my all weekend to make up this elaborate lie that I saw the film, and that most of it, at least half of it, if not more, was on Earth. You see, I needed an elaborate alibi to cover up the fact that I was shooting speedballs at this dive hotel with your mother for the entire weekend. She still owes me $150 bucks btw, and you can bet your morbidly obese (I assume) behind that I won't forget that! Ha ha! No, wait, what was I.... Oh yeah, seriously, tell the bitch she better pay up or next time she will pay in flesh. Thanks, man. Kisses
Nobody Is Saying Themes Have Never Been Successfully Explored by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 08:20:19 PM
Unless its the voices in your head that keep telling you this? Maybe you should lay down, take a stress pill, and think things over? I'm not entirely sure what or whom you seem to think you're arguing against. Its okay, they're not out to get you, these... people with their... opinions. They're just people like you and me really, maybe they just don't have access to the same things. Its okay now, shh, rest easy... there you go. Nighty night!
Fine... by JackIsLost	Jun 29th, 2008 08:25:25 PM
Go take a stop-watch to record the Earth/Space time lapses of the film and report back, we'll see who's right. And learn how to be funny.
Short Circuit is a prequel to Wall-E by Orionsangels	Jun 29th, 2008 08:26:03 PM
How do you know Johnny 5 isn't Wall-E's ancestor? That lighting strike that brought Johnny 5 to life. Was the beginning of scientist understanding how artifical intelligence works.
Yes, You Should Learn How To Be Funny by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 08:28:16 PM
I could teach you, but I'd have to charge.
I am starting to feel sorry for you Laser... by JackIsLost	Jun 29th, 2008 08:37:19 PM
That's all.
Whiny... by DoctorWho?	Jun 29th, 2008 09:13:11 PM
When you compare Miyazaki to Pixar (Spirited away is one of my ALL time faves) your comparing Shakespeare to JK Rowling...John Coltrane to The Beatles. Most everyday people aren't going to have the attention, vocabulary (literary or musical), or curiosity to take the time to unravel Hamlet or A Love Supreme when they can get much more 'simple' expressions of the human experience. And by 'simple' I do not mean dumbed down or 'not as good'. Simplicity is difficult. That's why poetry is so hard...it takes most shlubs 1500 words to get a point across whereas a great poet cuts right to the bone in 2 lines. You find this to be inherent in the simplest of love songs or silent films. I love to go deep with challenging art too but something like Monsters Inc illustrates the concept of true love as well as any story I've seen...albeit done in a simpler way.
Your Pity Is Wasted, Jack by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 09:47:23 PM
But I'm flattered by your concern. It's touching, albeit creepy, and more than a little ironic. BUT, I do think your adoration of me is sincere, and therefore, not without a certain charm. Like when a friendly person with down's syndrome gets all excited, and wants to talk, but is limited by severe cognitive distortions? I would pat you on the head and/or offer you milk and cookies, but I'm unsure if thats the politically correct way to treat retards, I mean, special people, like yourself.
Am I the only one... by 2dope	Jun 29th, 2008 09:50:42 PM
Who thinks that Wall-E was just 'okay'? I mean, it was well made, no doubt, but the story was...well, lacking. I mean, if you compare this story to almost any of Pixar's other efforts, it just seemed so light on story. Again, beautifully made, but just not much to the story. Plus, it really took me (and my kids, who asked why they did it after the film) every time they had the President on in Live Action. WTF?? Why do that and have EVERY other human CG?? Made no sense. This is the first Pixar film that my kids have seen that they DIDN'T promptly ask me to take them to Target and get the toys from the film, and that says a LOT. When I asked them about this later, as it was kind of getting me curious, they all said the same thing: None of the robots talked other than to say either each others names and the word 'directive', and how can they play if the "people don't talk daddy?" From the mouths of babes...
Yes, We're All Corporate Shills, Whiny by LaserPants	Jun 29th, 2008 09:51:55 PM
But you? You walk on the razors edge of the indie underground D.I.Y. aesthetic. How can you sit in the same room as yourself and not be in, like, total awe of yourself? It must be tough being such an independent maverick soul who surely doesn't like any mainstream movies at all. None at all. But I guess you make up for it in feeling... cool. Or what passes for cool these days. For you. And you alone.
Ben Burtt by heyscot	Jun 29th, 2008 10:31:34 PM
I had no idea going in to see the movie today that Ben Burtt was the sound designer on this flick. All I can say is, "Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow." Ben Burtt did such a great job. I know it was more than just him, but he did an absolutely incredible job on the sound in this movie. I will be first in line to get this movie on DVD and if there's any justice in the world, WALL-E is going to win big at the Oscars this year. What a summer for movies! And all this before The Dark Knight!
Ben Burtt by heyscot	Jun 29th, 2008 10:31:37 PM
I had no idea going in to see the movie today that Ben Burtt was the sound designer on this flick. All I can say is, "Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow." Ben Burtt did such a great job. I know it was more than just him, but he did an absolutely incredible job on the sound in this movie. I will be first in line to get this movie on DVD and if there's any justice in the world, WALL-E is going to win big at the Oscars this year. What a summer for movies! And all this before The Dark Knight!
Yeah, I like this movie... by Anton Chigurh	Jun 29th, 2008 10:37:57 PM
...Eva was cool, but Johnny 5 was cooler. Oh snap, that wasn....
Sorry, but I FELL ASLEEP during this film. by TheGhostWhoLurks	Jun 29th, 2008 11:07:26 PM
It looked boring in the previews and what I saw when I was pretty much dragged to see it did nothing to improve my impressions. Mildly cute, Wall-E was simply an annoying ham-handed parable about (SHOCK!) pollution... AGAIN. Sheesh... I saw The Lorax back in the 70s and that was tons more interesting, inventive and instructive than this film. I just CAN'T get excited about a film concerning a boring, lonely robot version of Woody Allen, with a two word vocabulary, who spends half of the film compacting trash into cubes. I LOVE cartoons and love Pixar, but to call this dud of a movie a "masterpiece" is, quite frankly, A JOKE. The preview cartoon, however, was a TREAT. A pity the energy, cleverness and fun of THAT short couldn't be injected into Wall-E. Strictly for kids under 10 and adults suffering from insomnia who have nothing better to do. BLECH! >:P
But really... by snitchseeker	Jun 29th, 2008 11:23:06 PM
Where were all the explosions? Why wasn't there more action!? It was SO BORING... Same people will complain about Michael Bay in the coming months.
Beautiful Movie by flickchick85	Jun 29th, 2008 11:55:43 PM
Why can't love stories in movie with actual human beings be that affecting? I think this ties with The Incredibles as my favorite Pixar movies. Just so well done.
also... by snitchseeker	Jun 30th, 2008 12:03:15 AM
are people seriously saying: my kid didn't want to buy the toy and using that as an example for how the movie is no good!? Maybe the kid (unlike the parent) was paying attention to the film and realized he didn't need the toy. The whole point of this film is not that we shouldn't be able to eat fast food, it's that blind consummerism (apathy, seeking after stuff like an animal seeks after food or a mate) is dehumanizing. This movie was an exploration of what it means to be human. That's why it's genius and brilliant and something that Western culture needs to hear.
Just saw it and it was pretty good by Rupee88	Jun 30th, 2008 12:36:24 AM
It seems overrated like Finding Nemo, but not as overrated because FN was lame. This was a decent little diversion of a movie but no transcendant masterpiece.
SK229 by Rupee88	Jun 30th, 2008 12:41:17 AM
yes Pixar is overrated by the media and so is Wall*E. It's just an Emperor's New Clothes thing at this point. But just from skimming this talkback, you can see that the movie wasn't that good. Pixar has made great films before (TS, TS2, Incredibles), but this is just a solidly good one.
Bitch... by SmarkJobber	Jun 30th, 2008 12:56:45 AM
...you can be dissatisfied with whatever you want (film, music, your life) -- I really don't care. What I want to understand, though, is why you keep bitching about Pixar, over and over and over, like you want to either convince someone that they should not like Pixar films, or that someone needs to convince you to see them the way those who enjoy them do. To add insult to idiocy, you keep saying things like, "...I'm unable to understand why I cant be dissatisfied with mediocrity in story telling, without being regarded as a poseur." The "mediocrity" of Pixar's storytelling is an opinion, but you often state the opinion as fact, which only damages your credibility since you can only back up those statements with adjectives ("lazy," "shallow") instead of actual points. Your one argument -- that Pixar presents simple themes and stories, thus they are mediocre storytellers -- is flawed and extremely shortsighted. Story and theme are obviously important (and I believe Pixar are exceptionally savvy at both), but they are not the only two aspects of storytelling (what about direction, editing, incorporation of sound and score?), yet you still imply story (when you probably mean plot) and theme are the only components of storytelling. As I (and Doctor Who, more recently -- and eloquently) stated before, a story can be simple and familiar and still be good, and it all comes down to the TELLING of that story. It's been obvious for quite awhile that Pixar films are not your cup of tea. You've expressed your negativity toward the previous releases and your skepticism with "Wall-E." Do you have anything new to add? No? Then talk to me after you've seen the picture.
Spaz by BruceVain	Jun 30th, 2008 07:10:56 AM
Were you checking your watch because you had an appointment to gulp down some more corporate-funded pseudoscience? KIDS: Don't listen to this man. Global warming is irrefutably real, and the only dissenting opinion you will hear is from shills and the people who fund them. (The same applies to evolution.) Now will people stop clogging up the boards with this crap?
Wall-E promotes DATE RAPE!!!! by StrokerX	Jun 30th, 2008 08:02:47 AM
Anyone else get that wierd vibe when EVE was on stand-by and Wall-E's dressin her up and rubbin on her an opening her panels n shit. Got the same feeling when Shia was making out on Bumblebee......WIERD
Best Picture... Period! by BeyondStatic	Jun 30th, 2008 08:22:17 AM
Obvious choice for Best Sound Design Oscar this year. Definately Best Animated Feature. And absolutely the BEST PICTURE in a very long time. It's beautiful! Everything is photo-realistic. The models are simple, yet effective. The characters perform with such emotion you'd swear they were live-action human. The story works virtually without any dialogue (and never gets boring!): it has a message without being preachy, it is as cautionary as it is heart-warming. This was spot-on filmmaking at its finest! Congratulations, PIXAR! You've outdone yourselves!
Global Warming Is A Fraud? by LaserPants	Jun 30th, 2008 09:18:55 AM
So, let me get this straight. You're skeptical of the painstaking research and mountains of documented evidence which proves the theory of global warming to be correct (evidence and research carried out by thousands of scientists around the world), but you have the utmost confidence in the gut feelings of Jeebus-freak billionaire oil-barons like George "Monkey HItler" Bush (gut feelings being based primarily on making sure their cash flow continues no matter what the cost, even our very extinction), you have the utmost confidence in? Gosh, are you sure you're not retarded? I mean, really, are you retarded or just an asshole? Wait, I bet you believe in Intelligent Design too don't you? So, again, documented evidence you don't believe, but the illusion of a magical man who lives in the sky you have no problem believing? Really? So, just because you don't understand something, then the Giant Flying Spaghetti monster must have done it? Wow. I'm sure you don't accept evolution, but clearly, de-evolution is very real. Oh no, wait, thats right, all the worlds top scientists are really a part of the insidious liberal conspiracy to make everyone into homosexual socialist abortionists. Why do they hate america so much?
Rageaholic Morbidly Obese Virgins Between The Ages Of 13-25 by LaserPants	Jun 30th, 2008 09:21:45 AM
Will not like WALL*E. But they don't like anything, so who cares?
WhinyNegativeBitch by spud mcspud	Jun 30th, 2008 09:47:17 AM
I can't get into a "WALL-E is THAT good... or not" discussion, as I'm in the UK (everybody say Yoo-Kay!) and so can't see it yet. But then I read from one of your posts: "...I'm not upset by the movie itself. I've said it a few times now...Its the hyperbole and flat out bullshit that is constantly pushed down my throat about the movie. Its probally a good kids flick. But why do you and your fellows keep insisting that its the second coming of christ, and that those who do not bow before it are...what is it? "Souless"? You know, like, evil. For not worshipping at the altar of a kids cartoon..." And the ultimate irony is that this is EXACTLY what I thought of BATMAN BEGINS, and will probably think of THE DARK KNIGHT (though I'll give it the BOTD)... A so-so diverting movie that's okay but forgettable, yet every fan in the land is hyping to be the Second coming of Very-Intense-Batman. It's a movie about a man who fights crime DRESSED AS A BAT!!! How fucking realistic can a movie with an idea that dumb at its centre actually be? And, just as you look down WALL-E, a movie you see as an average movie hyped beyond its ability to entertain... I think EXACTLY the same about THE DARK KNIGHT. Undoubtedly Ledger will be awesome in it, everyone else is either miscast or wasted (though maybe not Eckhart and Gylenhaal). But BEGINS was a movie in love with its own seriousness and realism, and fundamentally missed the mark because of it - I think TDK will go the same way. WALL-E, on the other hand... Gotta disagree with you, 'Bitch, because everything I've seen about this movie screams Instant Classic to me, and I'm pretty damn sure I won't be disappointed when the UK gets it. And to everyone else: What's with the CARS hate? It's my favourite Pixar movie so far, and I could go on and on about why. It's got real depth in it, for a movie about talking fucking cars.
WANTED by spud mcspud	Jun 30th, 2008 09:50:15 AM
Waaaaaaay over-rated. Though McAvoy was great in it, his character was a whiny bitch that became an arrogant cocksucker, Jolie was absolutely wasted (though great to look at as always) and the only enjoyment in it was seeing Morgan Freeman change from playing Morgan Freeman all the way through it to being like a south Park version of Morgan Freeman in the last couple of scenes. I have not laughed so much at a pronunciation of the word "motherfucker" since a DIE HARD movie. Damn funny. But generally, WANTED was a let-down, bar the action scenes, which were Matrix-Reloaded-freeway spectacular.
Has Anyone Actually Said WALL*E Is The Second Coming? by LaserPants	Jun 30th, 2008 10:05:08 AM
I love how people like WhinyBitch damn the perceived hyperbole of the movie (Hyperbole in a cartoon! Say it ain't so! Duh.) and people's reaction to it whilst simultaneously using infinitely more hyperbolic language to describe the film and people's reaction to it. That is the very height of hypocrisy, and reveals a complete lack of self-awareness and critical judgement. I don't think I've heard anyone praise the film as the second coming of anything. The praise WALL*E is getting is apt and well-deserved. If you don't like it, thats fine, but at least do try to make sense and adhere to some kind of logical consistency in your argument.
Laserpants by spud mcspud	Jun 30th, 2008 10:09:03 AM
I humbly suggest that if what you're looking for in these online discussions are self-awareness and critical judgment, you may be here a loooooooooooooooooooong time, my friend. Mostly I think people come on here just to piss each other off and use cuss words they've invented. Bollockgobblers. I still think WALL-E looks great, and can't wait to see it in the Yoo-Kay.
HOW DO THEY RE-PRODUCE ON THE SHIP by g-ride9000	Jun 30th, 2008 10:11:04 AM
CAUSE THEY DON'T TOUCH, and that means they don't have sexual intercourse. Are there intercourse robots onboard?
Spud McSpud by LaserPants	Jun 30th, 2008 10:13:43 AM
Ain't that the truth! Btw, WALL*E is great. If you liked the trailers, wait 'till you see the movie. I'm sure you will enjoy it once it gets across the pond to the Yoo-Kay!
"Will Never Get The Cars Hate" by awepittance	Jun 30th, 2008 11:03:53 AM
"Will Never Get The Cars Hate" - "get r done' stars as one of the cars - owen wilson voices the main characters do you need more reasons?
re:BruceVain by awepittance	Jun 30th, 2008 11:09:03 AM
about global warming schills, you may find it interesting that schills come from the pro global warming side of things too. carbon taxing will soon become a very profitable operation. Notice how large oil companies like BP are now making commercials hyping global warming fears? coporations & governments will make a lot of cash playing on these fears in the near future. yes global warming is real, but at the same time there is a growing propaganda based movement that is schilling for the pro global warming movement.
Adored it... As good as Ratatouille by agubie	Jun 30th, 2008 01:44:15 PM
I hope it gets a Best Picture nomination, even though I think Ratatouille was a bit better and also deserved one. Peter Gabriel's song during the end credits was great too.
Best Pic by SAVOIR_faire	Jun 30th, 2008 01:47:56 PM
Ok, I'm still laughing at the Global-warming denial... . . But Just long enough to submit to youse that if Beauty/Beast was worth a best picture consideration, Wall-E is most definitely worthy of a nomination... Yes, I said it. Best PICTURE. (So far, anyway.)
LaserPants by Rupee88	Jun 30th, 2008 04:37:10 PM
you retard the title of this article is that Wall E is a "masterpiece"...we are all reacting to that hyperbole. It just wasn't that good...just an OK, pretty good, entertaining movie. That doesn't mean it sucked, but it wasn't much better than Kung Fu Panda and not even in the same league as Incredibles.
So ... by BruceVain	Jun 30th, 2008 06:58:44 PM
... when do the Holocaust deniers show up?
WallE is a masterpiece Beleive the Hype this by CrichtonAstronut	Jun 30th, 2008 07:11:38 PM
movie is beautiful.
WallE and EVE are brilliant. Tug at every heart string. by CrichtonAstronut	Jun 30th, 2008 07:19:40 PM
so much done with so little speech. Beautiful. This is how you make great film about Robots. And the human allegory is well placed and well worth examining.
I mean the humans becoming to trapped I they're by CrichtonAstronut	Jun 30th, 2008 07:25:44 PM
easy pleassures and dependent on the technology that provides them. It took a couple of brave little robots to wake them up.
If you didn't like this movie by Durendal	Jul 1st, 2008 02:11:44 AM
Then I would say, "May God have mercy on your soul", but that would assume you even have a fucking soul. This movie was fan-fucking-tastic.
Zax by Russtavo	Jul 1st, 2008 09:55:46 AM
Wall-E looks like the love-child of Zax and Johnny 5 to me.
just saw it on Sunday by Ultron ver 2.0	Jul 1st, 2008 11:05:23 AM
before I read any of this thread. IMHO, it's one of Pixars best. Better than Incredibles, Ratatouille, Cars (which I liked)...I rank it with Nemo and Toy Story. Visually perfect, and really a heartwrenching ending. I would like to have a pet cockroach now, living in a Twinkie.
The last five minutes wrecked me...that's right by drewlicious	Jul 1st, 2008 04:51:05 PM
I was so involved in those characters that if it ended unhappily (not a possibility, I know) it would have devastated me. Not bad for a cartoon.
Spazatronic 2000 by quantize	Jul 2nd, 2008 01:37:19 AM
you fuckin dumb spaz. Go watch The Corporation you fuckin tard.
Spazatronic 2000 scientifially proven to be retarded by quantize	Jul 2nd, 2008 01:39:22 AM
swallowing one-eyed pseudo-science. follow your leader GWB straight to hell tosser.
and... by quantize	Jul 2nd, 2008 01:41:38 AM
any cocksucker who blithers on with that drivel about 'elites' is a total moron...tell the Oil Barons you jackoff
Spamtronic 2000 by quantize	Jul 2nd, 2008 08:22:55 AM
circa 17th century flat earth society
yeh yeh everyone ELSE is a sheep by quantize	Jul 2nd, 2008 08:31:32 AM
i bet you cry like a baby after you jerk off in the mirror. Take your superior little ween attitude...enough of us have enough common sense to tell something is seriously fucking up. You can burn idiot..nobody will give a shit.
My wife took the kids by Abominable Snowcone	Jul 2nd, 2008 10:42:03 AM
and said they were kind of bored by it. But I know my wife's tastes in movies, and I suspect she just didn't "get" it. I haven't seen it yet (and I was jealous of them). She mentioned there isn't much dialogue until the end. Frankly, I didn't see why this would be a problem so long as what you're looking at his compelling and the images tell the story. Take Apocalypto for example. I loved that movie, and it didn't bother me lick that I couldn't understand the dialogue. Or Pan's Labyrinth. Or other classics like Silent Running where there isn't much dialogue. Yeah, I just don't think she "got" it. Rottentomatoes has it at something like 96% fresh, so apparently there are folks out there who think it's the great Pixar flick I expect it to be when I see it.
right wing america hates it by mikey mike	Jul 2nd, 2008 10:51:42 AM
apprantly it's liberal poison being fed to kids. which makes me want to slap them and scream "it's a cartoon movie for kids you dope"
Ties to the game Portal by OQuaTanginWann	Jul 2nd, 2008 09:24:01 PM
I took my 4 year old daughter and she was bored for the last act, but sat through it all. I loved it and think it's one of Pixars best movies. My one observation is that the preview cartoon played off the same idea as the brilliant little game Portal. Even the 'antagonist' in the actual film is straight out of Portal (and more obviously Kubrick's 2001.)
This one's for the grownups, definitely by SAVOIR_faire	Jul 3rd, 2008 01:45:38 AM
And I love that. It's for humans who know about our flaws - kids aren't hip to all of that yet. They still think their parents are perfect.
Well I just saw it... nice movie... by Johnno	Jul 3rd, 2008 03:34:38 PM
This is perhaps the one Pixar movie with teh least amount of dialogue ever! I'm surprised by how much character they gave the robos, truly an achievement. But in the grand scheme of things, nothing that great... Still, it's worth the price of admission.
"Eva!" by Rocklover79	Jul 3rd, 2008 09:34:03 PM
The mispronunciation of that name still makes me smile uncontrollably.
A Different take by crgjckhmmr	Jul 4th, 2008 01:10:44 AM
Just got back from seeing Wall-E a second time. I noticed in one of the first shots windmills and nuclear power plants. This implies to me perhaps the global warming issue was addressed in Wall-E's future Earth. However, in doing so and not checking the other drawbacks of unchecked consumerism, we became buried in our own junk. The clean power issue is nonexistent as far as I can see. The Axiom has had power for the last 700 years. In the end credits it seems to be a point that technology lives harmoniously with the new earthlings.
Only Tinfoil-hatters & Douchebags use the word "sheeple" by G100	Jul 4th, 2008 02:46:26 AM
Surely everyone knows that ? Wall-E however is a beautiful little jewel of a film that rewards multiple viewings.
Liked it, didn't love it by BeatsMe	Jul 4th, 2008 09:47:12 AM
Character design was great, character was cute as hell, but as many said, it felt a bit preachy and I didn't really think the story sustained itself for the whole running time. The whole plot with getting the plant just wasn't all that interesting, and when your main villain really seems to be "lethargy," it's hard to maintain much in the way of dramatic tension.
It's really good by Bricktops hammer	Jul 4th, 2008 11:42:58 AM
I just wasn't blown away like all the hype suggested i would be. I still prefer The Incredibles. Brad Bird neeeeeeeeds to make a sequel to that. Itis one of the best superhero movies ever made, animated or not. Long Live The Underminer!!!!
In my 30's by Bricktops hammer	Jul 4th, 2008 11:46:29 AM
and I saw it alone....woe is me
Not a chance that this movie gets nominated for Best Picture by SnowDogs	Jul 5th, 2008 12:15:07 AM
I don't understand the relentless hype for this movie. What is it that all of you geeks are connecting with? There's zero tension in the movie and the emotional beats are weak. There was no sense of awe in the movie and the laughs were mild. I agree with what somebody else said, the emperor has no clothes and all of you are rushing to praise Pixar for one of their weakest efforts. Look, I love Pixar movies too, but Wall-E might be their worst film. Seriously. I don't see how it gets nominated for Best Picture when a lot of people I know don't even think it's the best animated feature this year (Kung Fu Panda). Props to Pixar for trying something new, but please quit hurting yourselves to mindlessly praise Pixar, all right?
No mindless praising... by snitchseeker	Jul 5th, 2008 02:45:04 AM
The majority of people on here have expressed reasons for their love of the film. They aren't mindlessly praising pixar, they're emphatically praising Wall-e because it resonated with them. Quit being a hater. If you didn't think the movie was as strong as everyone else, fine, but quit "hurting yourself" by being a dick.
Waiting by Barry Convex	Jul 5th, 2008 08:17:42 AM
When are Harry and Moriarty going to review WALL-E?
Count me as a hater by Skywise	Jul 5th, 2008 09:41:30 AM
Put me in the group as a dislike. [spoilers ahoy] Don't get me wrong, for a normal movie this would be great. But for Pixar I thought it was pretty weak. The first half is great, the problem is that the "B" story all but kills this movie and seems to be nothing more than back filler to stretch out the love story. For instance, if BNL was in total control of the "5 year" mission then why did the ship have robot probes? If BNL had ordered the robots never to come back to earth then why did the robots send out probes to check on Earth's condition?! Then commit mutiny to stop the plant from activating the return feature?! Then they go for a cheap heart string pull ending but don't even give you the emotional satisfaction of that by immediately doing a "just kidding". It didn't drag like Cars did (heh) but after 2 showings I don't have a real desire to want this on DVD. That's a first for me. (Except the short at the beginning... My GOD... we CAN still do olde style Warner Bros. cartoons!!!)
Wall-E was a nice movie. by Orionsangels	Jul 5th, 2008 06:23:26 PM
Was it everything they said at AICN? Hell no! Maybe they saw another movie. Maybe I have to watch again? I don't know, but I wasn't blown away. It was slow going. I'll say this, It's a well made film and I do love outerspace and the use of Hubble images was a nice touch. Wall-E himself is instantly likable. The audience seemed to chuckle everytime Wall-E was on screen. Eve is awesome. There was something endearing though about the way says Wall-E. So as you guys know there's romance and It gets sentimental by the end. Yeah pretty predictible, but there is a story involving a plant. Which I guess I shouldn't spoil. So in a nutshell it's a cute movie, but Wall-E isn't for everyone. At times it can be the 2001 A Space Odyssey for children. Long drawn out scenes where nothing really happens. In this fast short attention span world we live in today. It'll be hard to sit through for some, but thankfully I still have a child like sense of wonder and could appreciate this well crafted film. Something that was odd to me. On the space cruise ship. It's CGI humans, but the president of earth 700 hundred years ago (played by Fred Willard) and a quick advertisement. Uses live action humans. Huh? That was odd for a Pixar film and it stuck out like a sore thumb.
Skywise by snitchseeker	Jul 5th, 2008 06:24:10 PM
You aren't a hater...hater's are the one's that call people idiots for liking (or disliking) something. You're free to dislike it all you want. The reason the probes kept getting sent out was because it was a secret directive, the humans are supposed to think going back is an option (they just don't because so much time has passed)
Oh actually Fred Willard was the BnL CEO by Orionsangels	Jul 5th, 2008 06:55:27 PM
My bad. He looked presidential in that one last scene he had.
So yeah by Orionsangels	Jul 5th, 2008 07:17:45 PM
Wall-E was a nice movie. Was it everything they said at AICN? Hell no! Maybe they saw another movie. Maybe I have to watch again? I don't know, but I wasn't blown away. It was slow going. I'll say this, It's a well made film and I do love outerspace and the use of Hubble images was a nice touch. Wall-E himself is instantly likable. The audience seemed to chuckle everytime Wall-E was on screen. Eve is awesome. There was something endearing though about the way she says, Wall-E. So as you guys know there's romance and It gets sentimental by the end. Yeah pretty predictible, but there is a story involving a plant. Which I guess I shouldn't spoil. So in a nutshell it's a cute movie, but Wall-E isn't for everyone. At times it can be the 2001 A Space Odyssey for children. Long drawn out scenes where nothing really happens. In this fast paced short attention span world we live in today. It'll be hard for some to sit through, but thankfully I still have a child like sense of wonder and could appreciate this well crafted film. Something that was odd to me. On the space cruise ship. It's CGI humans, but the BnL CEO (played by Fred Willard) and a quick BnL advertisement. Uses live action humans. Huh? That was odd for a Pixar film and it stuck out like a sore thumb. Also the voice of AUTO reminded me of the voice from the Lumines Live! menu screen.
GIVE ME THE AMULET, YOU BITCH!!!! by DRACULA_WANTS_THE_AMULET	Jul 5th, 2008 10:51:57 PM

Snitchsneeker by Skywise	Jul 6th, 2008 12:36:30 AM
"The reason the probes kept getting sent out was because it was a secret directive, the humans are supposed to think going back is an option" Well see, that's my point, when did they think that? The robots did ALL the work and it was made (painfully) obvious that the humans didn't think for themselves. Secondly the dialog specifically states that the ships were only designed to take the humans on a 5 year cruise until the Earth could get cleaned up. (Personally I think the script got misedited here and it leads me to wonder what the original story was because I get the distinct feeling this was a last minute "disneyfied" recut for marketing purposes... Consider that the whole story makes more sense if there were probes going EVERYWHERE looking for habitable life to offload the humans. Then when the bots figured out that Eve had been to Earth they had to intervene. The animation indicates that there were many probes and a whole subsystem of the ship was obviously devoted to probe handling. Even the protocol for handling the plant life (the manual scene) indicates that the ship would go to the point of origin of whereever the plant was from. But all the relevant dialogue AFTER that indicates that they only went to Earth. Another consideration... Fred Willard. Why did Pixar use an ACTUAL human as a pretty major character? Dramatic Artistic License? Or did they need to make a "fast edit" which would've taken time to animate but a day or two to film...
Incredible Animation by rickdeckard1	Jul 6th, 2008 12:36:39 PM
I have never seen such fluid, seamless animation. PIXAR knocked this one out of the park. The white metal ( Eve ) , reflections, etc, looked incredibly real. BTW, great film, see in the biggest screen you can find.
Almost Great, but Not Quite imo... by chaplinatemyshoe	Jul 6th, 2008 12:49:44 PM
I think movies best operate on what feels true, and I think Wall E lost that towards the end when it went off on the humans taking care of the earth bit. For me, as long as the movie stuck to Wall E, it was brilliant on a level Pixar hadn't reached before, both from a storytelling perspective and an animation standpoint. Wall E gives the viewer inherently alien but satirical viewpoint to relay the story through. But once it left Wall E and started doing the human storyline about repopulating the earth, it became an mildly entertaining movie children's cartoon with environmental themes, which was good but nowhere near as great or beautiful as the bits that focused on Wall E. But that's not to hate cause it's still one of the handful of movies released this year that I'd even consider revisiting. Very, very good movie with a lot of great sequences in it.
WALL - E is not a cartoon... by orliplayer	Jul 6th, 2008 09:49:25 PM
Is an animated movie. I've had it with people saying that all animated movies are cartoons. Animation is a freaking art form, not a genre. Horror is a genre, comedy is a genre. Since you can do any genre in animated form, animation's not a genre. So all the ignorant people that keep saying that WALL-E is a cartoon and all Pixar movies are for kids, stop it. Learn. Open your minds. Feed your sun-dried, pansy-ass brains. Now, I just saw WALL-E today and I have to agree with Quint. It is a masterpiece!! You ADD people think that a movie has to be funny or have some sort of amazing action every 5 minutes in order to be great don't know jack about pacing or storytelling... You don't look at a painting and say "the painting would've been better if it had more red or black", you just admire it. Beauty is in the eye of beholder so, you're entitled to your opinion, but stop demeaning the people who loved it. Different movies, different tastes. I got a little bit carried away but that's all I wanted to say.
I'm sorry chaplinatemyshoe.... by orliplayer	Jul 6th, 2008 10:27:02 PM
You just happened to be the one before my post, I was to you only, but even if you don't mean it as a bad way, you have to be corrected. CG animation works to deliver a story that would be way too hard (and expensive) to do, like japanese animation. It just pisses me off every time that I hear somebody say the movie is for kids just because it's an animated movie. My apologies if I sounded too harsh.
I meant.... by orliplayer	Jul 6th, 2008 11:07:18 PM
that my comments were not directed only at you, but at all the times I read in the talkbacks that the movie is a children's cartoon.
You fucking would!! by YouAreAllMyBastardChildren	Jul 7th, 2008 12:13:48 AM
YEAH
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saw it...good not great. by FleshMachine	Jul 7th, 2008 02:27:38 PM
it was better than cars and ratatoille....but below all the others (the toy stories, monster inc, incredibles, nemo and bugs life all made me laugh more and entertained me more than wallE). there's something missing in pixars new films. they have that shallow slightly preachy, 1 dimensional, condecending, disney thing going on maybe.
orliplayer by FleshMachine	Jul 7th, 2008 02:33:53 PM
way to steal that "animation is not a genre" quote. pixar films ARE indeed for kids. just like harry botter books are FOR kids. the fact that all ages can enjoy them is not the point. they are primarily made for, and marketed to, kids. and they ARE cartoons just like simpsons is a cartoon. demanding it be called it "animation" is pretentious semantics.
Fleshmachine by snitchseeker	Jul 7th, 2008 05:54:58 PM
Why does it have to be "for" anyone? Why can't the art just stand on its own, why do we need to hedge it into a demographic? That's fucked up that our art now days is subject to our marketing scheme.
Fleshmachine by orliplayer	Jul 7th, 2008 11:01:44 PM
You remember the first Pixar shorts? They were made for adults, just to show the technology they had. Tell me if they involved gore, adult themes, swearing or deep storylines... Do you think Luxo Jr was made for kids? Not at all!! Just rent the Incredibles movie and hear Brad Birds commentary on the issue, ok?
Pretentious semantics? by orliplayer	Jul 7th, 2008 11:36:57 PM
Definition of "Animated Cartoon": An animated cartoon is a short, hand-drawn (or made with computers to look similar to something hand-drawn) film for the cinema, television or computer screen, featuring some kind of story or plot (even if it is a very short one). This is distinct from the term "animation" or "animated film", as not all follow the definition. So, "Presto" is an animated cartoon and "WALL E" is an animated film. Get it? Plus, Animated films and cartoons are expressions of art, since you can portray all kinds of emotion, like fear (horror), happiness (comedy) or sadness (drama). So, animation is not a genre. It's just that americans always relate animation with kids, degrading any and all animation as kid's stuff.
And another thing... by orliplayer	Jul 7th, 2008 11:47:50 PM
Most people go into the Pixar movies or any other animated movies thinking that they are all comedies or musicals!! And when the movie is not, they are quick to say it wasn't good. That's why japanese animation has had such a hard time getting into the states. Make your mind about the movie AFTER seeing it!! Don't just assume the movie is a children's movie just because it is animation.
And it's only a children's movie.... by orliplayer	Jul 7th, 2008 11:53:03 PM
If the children are the only people capable of enjoying. This is a family movie, meaning there's something for everyone. Same problem with most Nintendo games; just because they don't feature blood and guts, they're treated like kiddie games, when in fact they are not.

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