Concerning BSG: The show deserves no honors. It had (again, IMO) a great first season and a pretty decent second season, but things went way downhill after the FTL atmo-jump.

FUCKERS!

"Well, we're in the sci-fi ghetto still...We're still a science-fiction series, and the vast majority of voters don't understand the show or haven't even seen the show. But I would love to be surprised."

"I think this will be remembered and watched and lived for many decades to come when a lot of Emmy winners of the present day will be forgotten. That's as it should be."

Wow.

Not that I'd pick it over some of the others like the Wire, FNL, Lost, Damages, Dexter. But its inclusion on the short list is warranted.

must be one of those racist, motha-uking New Zealand-haters, man.

I really like Pushing Daisies, Entourage, Weeds, et al, but Conchords deserves special recognition.

Shame I found the show kind of dull

Glad Mad Men and FNL got some recognition, but BSG is still better than both of them.

The Wire deserves to win it though, and the snubbing of that show for 5 years is embarrassing. Dexter and Lost deserve nominations though, dunno why Dexter never gets any love on this site.

Friday Night Lights

Lost

Mad Men

Although Lost had its heydey.

But this year, Dexter and House were both amazing.

Glad to see THE WIRE finally getting some love, though. Well overdue.

As far as BSG goes, well I've watched the miniseries and all of the episodes, and I just don't think that this show deserves as much praise as is given by the hardcore fans. The word "brilliant" has been used to describe this turd so often that it has been rendered meaningless.

seriously you idiots need to get out more.

Fans get it, but I wonder about others as it pertains to Emmy consideration.

If nothing else, that the Earth scenses, along with the tracking shot at the end of Revelations should have garnered something for music, effects, acting, etc.

I never base anything on whether a show wins or doesn't win awards. Does anyone?

What.The.Frak?

I thought that the BSG miniseries was a little boring, but the Sharon reveal at the end was intriguing and made me want to tune in for season one. I LOVED season one and consider it to be close to perfect for a television season. I enjoyed it more than, for example, my first viewing of season one of my favorite science fiction series, Babylon 5. Season one of BSG was award winning material, IMO.

I like most of BSG season two, but I had problems with it. Most notably, I don't think that they spent enough time to setting up the "religious prophecy" aspect of the story and as a result those aspects often came across as a somewhat cheap story gimmick to move things along instead of feeling like a more natural progression of story telling. Plus, the higher episode count of season two unfortunately resulted in more filler than the lean season one. I still enjoyed the season, but not as much as season one.

Except for Bill Adama's pornstar mustache (this show's answer to Lorne Greene's beard in Galactica 1980, I guess) and Lee Adama's fat suit, I even liked the first few episodes of season three. The Galactica must have been required to plot its course around a large, finned object when it did the FTL atmo jump at the end of the "New Caprica" arc, though, because things really started their downward spiral for me in the very next episode. There have been a lot of cool moments since then, but not very much sustained quality story telling. The show has become a series of cool CGI effects tied together by overly pretentious story telling, illogical character actions and motivations, and unlikely plot points. There wasn't even any real setup for the "big reveal" of four of the final five Cylons at the end of season three (I won't spoil their identities for you since you may not have gotten that far, yet). Show creator Ronald Moore said in an interview that he didn't pick those four until shortly before the reveal ( http://www.post-gazette.com/pg /07085/770732-352.stm ). You can't go back and watch the previous two-and-a-half-plus seasons and see that part of the "drama" unfold because nothing was set up that would implicate those four characters. The basically random reveal of the four was handled poorly in a dumb episode at the end of what had become a crap season of television.

For me, the episodes of season four thus far aired have continued down the same broken path traveled by most of season three. From the pointless ("Razor"), to the weird (invisible in-head Six physically picking up Baltar in front of people), to the illogical (the Cylon's single-point-of-failure rebirth hub architecture), and continuing to the odd mid-season finale when the Galactica's crew doesn't even think of scanning for life forms, radiation signatures, or for communication broadcasts before going somewhere (again, I won't really spoil things since you haven't seen it), this season (and series) has become a textbook example of failed story telling and missed opportunities.

Now, obviously, all of that is my opinion and can't be argued as fact (well it is fact that Ron Moore pulled the final four out of his @$$). Everyone enjoys things differently, and if you like this show then more power to you. But, someone doesn't have to "clearly lie" in order to express an opinion that is contrary to your opinion.

Boston Legal sucks a cow's cock.

"At least a 3rd of the group was old, and I'm pretty no more than one or two panelists were under 35."

"Old people seem actively disinterested in urban drug dealers (The Wire) and spurting blood (Dexter, House)."

"After watching 9 other dramas, the last thing anyone wants to do is watch a 75-minute series finale of The Wire, even those of us who love the show. (Today's panels screened in alphabetical order, tomorrow's will reverse it.) Besides the onset of deep vein thrombosis, panelists unfamiliar with the show will just scratch their heads at the final appearances of Michael, Cheese, Carver and many, many others."

"They're still screening on beta SP. Memo to the Academy: it's long past time for HD screeners."

Looks like The Wire and Dexter are toast, if we're to take this panelist at face value.

Pushing Daisies is a comedy? Yeah, I guess, I just don't think of it that way. It's more like an adventure. Still I love it very much so I'd be shocked to see it win. As for drama's I'm also surprised to see Dexter up there, but it is a near perfect show. All of my favorites shows have at least a few episodes I don't care for but I can't say that about Dexter. I loved every single episode. And even though it did decline a bit in season 2, my excitement for it actually increased during that time. The Wire is a fine show and it would be nice to see it win. I guess I wouldn't say it had any bad episodes, it just didn't always excite me like Lost (which finally made a S4 comeback) or Dexter.

MisterE already nailed the decline of BSG perfectly. I agree with every point he made. And B5 was a great counter-example on how to do an arc right. Despite a little cheesiness, no show has ever been more faithful to it's arc. And all of these new arc-driven shows that people love here owe their very existence to B5s success. B5 was up there with Farscape as the best Sci-fi ever, IMO. There are only a handful of people here who will even defend BSG anymore, despite there being a time when everybody loved it.