Naah, not in Rob "Zombie's" movie, right?

I think this is one of the damn coolest posters I've ever seen. I hope it comes out with Machete.

I will admit that Rob isn't a very disciplined director, but his skills as a storyteller have grown from 1000 Corpses. He's at that stage where his actors almost seem to have some chemistry.

P.S. More Sherri moon, please.

So, I'll hope for the best (again) with this one. I like the daffy old-school poster art. It looks like something I would have rented on Beta from Mike's Video back in the Eighties.

Anyways, I will be there opening day. I somehow managed to see all of Zombies movies in theaters, which yeah he's 2 for 3. House was a good first time thing and Devils was fucking amazing those opening and closing scenes. Even my girlfriend who while hated the movie for its violence saw that it was well done and held her interests.

Does't Rob have some cartoon movie coming out or something????

Serious Rob, go back and do something in animated form with that crazy 70's sci-fi, cosmic monsters, demons and sexy pornstar chicks.

thanxabunch

The battle should take place both on a moonbase (complete with fake looking set) and in a futuristic city on earth.

Or you know something like that, now let me get back to listening to PRONG

The Car

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Seriously, it's a kick ass film but entirely too mild for its subject (rated PG originally I believe). It's pure 70's set in the mid-west so bring on the hillbillies! There's even one real nasty wife-beater white trash old dude who while a asswipe, manages to help out anyway. The movie has a special place in my heart and if Zombie came in and made a pure remake with his sense of style, it could be a perfect match. Granted, he might want to avoid his usuals altho Sid Haig could easily be the white-trash wife-beater guy. And, most importantly, DO NOT CHANGE how "The Car' is portrayed. Don't show us the car being built and then kills one of the assembly line guys (Christine) or how, when the car was little, it ran over squirls and shit. Just a clean remake with updated effects and a proper R rating. It could work. Maybe.

And even if you think it is, trying to make out that we are all stupid for not liking it is just complete shit.

Or maybe you're just being a hypocrite cunt. Again.

You fucking pretentious asshole.

BTW, I think M Night should cast Williams Shatner as the lead for his autobiographical thriller. Rob Zombie should too.

Transformers was confidently directed, but you wouldn't try to pretend that Bay had done something good would you?

WHOA! Pot calling the kettle black, are we?

Zombie's "maturity" as a filmmaker is highly dubious. Especially if he is content to continue rehashing '70s-styled white trash, grindhouse movies.

There is a fine line between shock and schlock. And so far, Zombie seems to fall on the side of schlock.

I'll tell you something for nothing: at the same stage Paul Wank Stain Anderson had a better track record than Zombie (I'd rate Shopping and Event Horizon better than anything Zombie's done and Mortal Kombat as better than Halloween and corpses), but you wouldn't be pontificating about him having grown as a a director having just watched MK.

Until you stop being such a cunt, I'll keep pointing it out.

If it had been a.n.other serial killer then it would still have been a bad film, but besmirching Halloween is un-fucking-forgivable.

Oh yeah, I forgot, Memories thinks he has great love for the genre so I must be wrong.

Free Fred's balls!

The Fog remake WAS a worse film than Halloween Remake. However, the very fact that Zombie would think his syphilitic vision was right for a genre defining classic is a far bigger crime against cinema.

Only some pretentious Portuguese prick with the brains of a concrete donkey and a grossly overinflated opinion of his own intelligence would not be able to see this.

Free Freds balls!

Free Fred balls.

arrogant fanboy is pleased

devil's rejects sucks

BOB offends M-O-M

The Devil Rejects Halloween

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rationalizes his lust

shyamalan is pleased

Keyboard hit

Shyamalan has idea

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Something cut

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I seek not skills in haiku

I make you reply

Clock knows truth

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Fred likes anyone named Freddy!

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As mentioned earlier, the much gorier and explicit Friday The 13th and clones, set up the characters as pins to be knocked over in more gory and outragious ways. The "kills" became the thrill of those films, not suspense or plotting.

Free Freds balls

forest is more than just the trees

you must not resist

You are just completely full of shit. To defend Halloween remake is to completely and utterly fail to understand what made the original great.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. How can you let glaring flaws slide from Zombie's films (and I am a horror geek so don't even start with me) that you would castigate other "lesser" directors for (The Anderson example I used is relevant here)?

Grow up, learn to argue without being condescending, learn to read and understand points others make (Necgray, quantize and swordfish have all made excellent points about the massive failure of Halloween), and learn to express yourself without sounding like a complete fucking twat and maybe you'll be more effective in putting your points across.

You're not always full of shit. I happen to agree with you about Bad Boys 2- but I apply the same standards to Bay as I do to Zombie. At the moment Rob Zombie is worse than Roth and I fucking hate Hostel and Hostel 2.

His main problem is that he's inconsistent. He cuts bad filmmakers like Zombie loads of slack, but shows absolutely no mercy whatsoever towards filmmakers like PWSA, Michael Bay and others. Ironically, M-O-M is in essence incapable of discerning "good" from "bad" in film making. Zombie, like Shyamalan and Tarantino, fall within M-O-M's zone of "talent" and therefore no matter how shitty a film they make, he will bend over backwards defending it to the very end against everyone else's ignorance. He's a prisoner of his own so-called tastes and his pre-conceived notions of who is a good or bad filmmaker.

It's at its most hilarious when he's slumming it with the "geekoids" and pretends to like certain bad movies. He'll trot out examples of them, but it's obvious by his descriptions that he only "likes" them because he thinks he's supposed to, or because they've been deemed safe by the current hipster canon.

In short, M-O-M is a smug, arrogant, uptight, hypocritical, condescending asshole.

And the original Halloween WAS great- jesus, it's fucking old and still effective. How many other horror films from the same time can you say the same about?

The other M-O-M blunder was when he recently tried to pretend that friends made him go to AvPLR. He was completely busted lying for 2 reasons:

1)Obviously he hasn't got any friends

2)We all remembered his hard on for "Mr Alien, Mr Predator and lots and lots of Mr and Mrs Dead People". Completely missing the point about the AvP atrocities. Again.

Dog Soldiers & The Descent are massively better than anything Roth and Zombie could ever produce and even Doomsday (although not a patch on The Descent), is fucking great fun.

Although Rhona Mitra still can't act. Just as well she's nice to look at really.

Memories on AvP:R- the fucker (despite knowing all details of story/ script & despite predalien) absolutely creamed his (black lacy- his mother told me) panties over the trailer. That quote I put up is pretty much word for word what he said.

I disagree completely about the impact of Halloween v Friday 13th. I honestly think that Halloween reinvigorated the slasher movie, whether or not it is part of it, whereas Friday took it down a safer "blockbuster" route.

How you can criticise someone else's self-awareness is laughable.

To recap the point that you are incapable of answering:

You do not hold certain favourites of yours to the same standards that you do to those you term "hacks". Your criteria is spurious, nebulous, utterly arbitrary and blindingly stupid. As you cannot apply a universal, objective standard you should refrain from criticisms based on intelligence. A remake of Halloween is a crime against cinema. Not only is it a bad film in its own right- for amongst others the eloquent reasons put up above, but it's also the horror equivalent of remaking Citizen Kane.

The original Halloween and Marshall discussion was with WNB not you. You are still a cunt.

If it wasn't Halloween it would still be a bad movie, it just wouldn't be offensively awful. Why can you not understand that I'm judging it on both it's own merits and then (because it's a remake) on it's place in the genre? is this that hard to understand?

Furthermore, Lost Jarv is on the money when it comes to you. You lack, in the most fundamental way, a universal set of criteria for judging films. You're as disingenuous as you are hypocritical.

This is the third time I've asked you: Has it ever crossed your mind, even in the slightest, that there may be something about the way you argue your points which offends people? Or do you simply dismiss all your detractors as slobs who can't appreciate your genius and superhuman taste in cinema?

Dog Soldiers is not sloppy. British people do like it more, fair enough, simply because it is peppered full of jokes and dialogue that are distinctly British. It has an absolutely sparkling script, and although the werewolves look like crap there is enough humour, great performances and action to surpass anything Zombie has done.

Doomsday is an outrageous mess, and I'd maintain hopelessly miscast, but is still great, albeit derivative fun. Is it as good as either The Descent or Dog Soldiers? No.

Also Jarv, Devils Rejects is better then Dog Soilders. But if we are playing the order of filmed game I'd put 1,000 over Dog and Descent over Rejects and Doomsday over Halloween. But I think the best way to compare is 1,000 to dog, Descent to Halloween and Rejects to Doomsday. I'd say Zombie's got Neil beat except for Descent, but I am big fan of Zombies. Plus Rob's characters in 1,000 and Rejects are much more memorable then whoever was in Dog Soliders and most of Doomsday. See what kills it for me is in Doomsday Bob Hoskins and Malcolm McDowell were the least memorable parts. Granted Malcolm McDowell will do anything these days, but at least Rob gets good performences out of his old school actors.

I remember all the characters from Dog Soldiers really clearly, because they were characters whereas I remember the charicatures in Corpses for being paper thin excuses for gore.

Hated it.

Obviously, this is subjective, but I'd argue that ZOmbie is yet to turn out anything half as well writted as Dog Soldiers, let alone The Descent. Although I do appreciate that Dog's is more niche British- football references/ jokes do not translate.

Watch with Beer.

It isn't really fair to compare GS to DS- GS is not intended to be funny and obviously has a bit of a budget. DS- they clearly knew they had no cash, but had a blast instead.

Having said that, you can never argue on 2 things- what gives someone a hard-on and what makes them laugh.

Have you seen GS2 and GS3? Complete pish. The pair of them, although 3 is slightly better.

2007 was not vintage for horror, and I've probably missed a few.

Hated AvP:R- and I want to hurt everyone involved in it. Hated Captivity. Erm. Still thinking.

Ginger Snaps is "quirky" and fucking intelligent, absolutely no question of it being a far better film. You know the guy that plays the drug dealer/ boyfriend- he went on to My Little Eye witch was also excellent.

I'd hire him. If anyone would let me make a film.

Last year had a whole glut of unspeakable platinum goons remakes, didn't it?

does anyone know? IS THIS AN ANIMATED FILM DAMN YOU ALL????

M-o-M, talking a lot doesn't make you smart.

P.S. I actually quite liked Ginger Snaps 2. Thought it was a smart DTV follow-up to the first.

and you're not motherfuckers. i was just angry.

let's hug...

WhinyNegativeBitch thank you as well, I asked that question post ago as well.

Didn't see hatchet.

I just think it was a fucking dreadful year for horror. It just lacked a good stand out effort

Trust me on this.

My missus is American and I've spent plenty of time there. I just didn't think it was funny. But as I said above, you can never argue about what makes one man laugh.

Nil by mouth is just fucking brilliant. No arguments there.

The original is damned near perfect.

Funny story- the guy that plays pinhead was actually offered "mover number 2" first and took pinhead because Pinhead had more dialogue. He wasn't chuffed with the makeup/ costume

A wise decision.

Wrong Turn/Hatchet/HillEyes2 I felt were all good cheesy driect to video fare (though Hills made a run in theaters) while most DTV is crap on a stick those were good fun movies. And yeah I agree Inside does exist to mainly show us extreme gore, and I think it does a damn good job. Also yeah there is much more admiration for The Signals production then the overall movie, but the first part was really good. Also has anyone else seen a movie called Murder Party? It was another indie horror movie and it was really funny and had a pretty good last freak out scene.

The fact that she never made it out of the cave is why The Descent is fabulous- it's a layer of ambiguity. Have we been watching one woman's grief hallucination while she slaughtered all her mates in a cave? I like to think so.

I quite enjoyed Black Sheep. But wouldn't say it was brilliant, and I also quite enjoyed The ZOmbie Diaries but that's from a few years ago.

You know what makes 07 look like such a shit year for Horror movies... 1408, god that movie was terrible. Worst movie since Da Vinci Code.

It isn't impossible to do good, original horror, but no bugger outside of Marshall seems to want to- Zombie does redneck horror, but the remake marked his card.

I'm devolving into memories.

Terrible movie.

For the record, I watched both GRINDHOUSE films by streaming them on my Netflix for free. I believe it was the right decision. Especially the FREE part.

I know that Doomsday is highly derivative, but would argue that The Descent is an original. Dog Soldiers obviously= Aiens with werewolves.

What I'm trying to say is that Marshall hasn't done either a remake or a sequel to one of his own films yet.

Best 2007 film full fucking stop= This is England.

I don't regret it for a second. But I do wonder if Tarantino knows what Grindhouse actually is.

But the film is still shit.

Nope. Me no likey.

Never mind, I'm off to the pub.

I challenge anyone to read those lines in the script without the characters' names listed and be able to tell them apart.

Necgray is totally right, Zombie had obviously watched The Wild Bunch (and Rejects is not a patch on ANYTHING Peckinpah did) beforehand when he should have been watching the death scene in Bonnie and Clyde or, dare I say it, James Caan's death in The Godfather. Short, brutal and unsympathetic.

Zombie is not a thematic pupil of peckinpah. There's none of the same themes in any of Zombie's films as in, say, Bring me the head of... Zombie laces his efforts with stylistic tics stolen from other people and one of the sources is obviously Peckinpah. He's a visual magpie.

However, in obviously robbing from Peckinpah at the end of rejects he missed the point. Just as you are missing the point. The scene would have been 1000 times more effective as a punchy unedited short slaughter of the desperados.

If you want the irony, then use Freebird for the music over the credits.

However, he doesn't have the imagination to do this.

Although on a shitty streak at the moment (to put it mildly. To quote a British Reviewer: "Domino sucks like a dyson"), to call him a hack and lump him in with the likes of Ratner is just horseshit.

I've asked this before and I don't think he answered, but is M-O-M even American? For some reason when I read his post the voice of a 20 something Sweedish/Norwegian guy or the voice of a 15-40 year old Asian guy (because its hard to tell their age, come on you know its true) goes through my head. Any thoughts?

Fuck 'em. I'll argue all night with Zombie apologists. Funnily enough, I'm not saying rejects was a bad film. There was much to commend it, but it isn't a classic.

Domino was unwatchable, horribly lit, horribly cast, horribly acte, add edited shite. A waste of a fascinating true story.

M-O-M is the artist formerly known as Bladerunnerunit and is Portuguese.

Memories, stop being a cunt and look at what I wrote- I said I didn't hate Rejects and there was lots to commend in it. Try again.

Top Gun is gay? so? It's good fun, and can be watched hungover on a Sunday without stressing your brain. It isn't an abomination. But I forgot, you're so far in the closet you're standing in fucking Narnia and are dismissing it for being "fucking gay". You have issues.

Tony Scott's best film is The Last Boy Scout. Fact.

Man on fire is offensively obvious shit. Really, he hasn't made anything good in a while, but True Romance, Top Gun and Last Boy Scout (the latter especially) elevate him from being a hack.

What is wrong with you? No-one is directly comparing Rejects and Wild Bunch/ Bonnie and Clyde. What we've repeatedly been saying is that the style of end in Bonnie and Clyde was more appropriate for Rejects.

And will you stop it with "TDR is mroe radical in that the characters have no redeaming characteristics whatsoever, they are utterly unlikable". It isn't radical, thousands of films have had completely villanous unlikable leads- you want a truly great picture that focuses on a degenerate bastard and pisses all over Rejects? Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer. Which was made a fuck of a long time (15 years off the top of my head) before Rejects. It isn't innovative, it isn't radical. But it is an above average psycho movie.

And for the record- after 3 films Piss weak script Anderson had Shopping, Event Horizon and Mortal Kombat on his resume- which is nicely comparable (if not superior, more variety- which is something you approve of) to Zombie.

And The Last Boy Scout has so many great moments in it- not just one: The opening football match, Bruce discovering his wife is fucking his mate, "punch me again and I'm going to kill you", Where his daughter rescues him and he escapes with the improv comedy, dancing a jig after disposing of the bad guy. It is full stop a fucking good film. Shane Black wrote it, and Tony Scott when on form directed it.

And that irony comment was fucking priceless. Not only was it complete gibberish, but shows that you don't know what Irony is.

The point that your AGAIN missing, is that you are pretending that by having a protagonist with absolutely no redeeming features Rejects is innovative. I've given you a much earlier, much better film that did this. Therefore, your innovative characters argument is horseshit.

Next.

Also does anyone not see that we are talking about the wrong Scott?? Ridley Scott (the one that directed Blade Runner) who made Thelma and Louise. And Thelma and Louise and Devils Rejects are A LOT A LIKE!

Now I'll get behind a Ridley Scott is overrated argument as well as the guy who directed Silence of the Lambs brother being overrated as well. He is dead, but Ted Demme directed Blow, a pretty average and often boring movie. Also Johnthan Demme (Silence) directed Philadelphia, which I think is way more overrated then Lambs. Plus he ain't done shit since.