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So, If Downey Jr's Gonna Star In COWBOYS & ALIENS, What Does This Mean For IRON MAN 2?

f1rzt by dizzywhip	Jun 16th, 2008 07:42:24 AM

fuck iron man why do we even need franchizes by dizzywhip	Jun 16th, 2008 07:43:13 AM
just keep making original movies like this
This Could Fuck Marvel Up In The Right Way by MMacKK	Jun 16th, 2008 07:47:46 AM
And make them see sense...
Downey signed to play iron-head 3 times by filmcoyote	Jun 16th, 2008 07:48:16 AM
So he can't walk away if they drop Favs. Hope they don't though. They got it surprisingly right with Iron Man and Incredible Hulk, now is not the time to go all typical studio on us!
4TH!!! by Ethan Big Nuts McKinley	Jun 16th, 2008 07:48:37 AM
ER......YEAH?
SHIT 6TH! by Ethan Big Nuts McKinley	Jun 16th, 2008 07:49:15 AM
DAMN
sounds cool by chewyou812	Jun 16th, 2008 07:49:18 AM
But marvel needs to keep the original Iron Man team together. And don't rush things. With my luck Marvel will rush the project and hire Ratner to direct. Pray to Hod that doesnt happen. Pray to God.
filmcoyote by Merrick	Jun 16th, 2008 07:50:19 AM
Actually, contracts get re-negotiated all the time...especially after a movie bags a certain amount of cash (which IRON MAN has). Favreau himself indicated this on Howard Stern.
No Way would they do IM2 without Downey by ShiftyEyedDog2	Jun 16th, 2008 07:51:37 AM
Marvel's not stupid. They know he is widely considered the reason Iron Man was a success.
You know, actors CAN be in more than one film a year by ShiftyEyedDog2	Jun 16th, 2008 07:53:11 AM
hell, some star in 3 or 4 in a single movie season, much less a whole year. Why do people keep trying to find trouble or conspiracy with Iron Man 2?
ba ba by HANSOLOS_CARBONITEFROZENPENIS	Jun 16th, 2008 07:53:59 AM
booey
Downey should threaten to walk... by Knuckleduster	Jun 16th, 2008 07:56:19 AM
... if they don't bring Favreau back. The Iron Man franchise is nothing without Robert Downey Jr.
push back IM2 and they'll push back avengers by lex romero	Jun 16th, 2008 08:03:18 AM
No way could he film IronmanII and the avengers film. Along with whoevers playing cap america filming cap america and avengers film, being released for the same year. It's too much, and i suspect audiences will find it too much. iron man and cap america films and then a few months later another film with them both in?
ShiftyEyedDog2 by Merrick	Jun 16th, 2008 08:04:08 AM
Yeah :-) That's why I put "if" in the sentence: "It's unclear how (or IF) this would impact the IRON MAN sequel"
This sounds like it's good news by photoboy	Jun 16th, 2008 08:16:23 AM
It should force Marvel to stop being dicks and give Favreau/Downey the time they need to make a good follow up to Iron Man.
by Mr. Profit	Jun 16th, 2008 08:23:31 AM

Iron Man was a success because of Downey... by Mr. Profit	Jun 16th, 2008 08:29:12 AM
Not Favreau. Anyone who isn't named Paul WS Anderson, Brett Ratner, Uwe Boll, or McG could do a better job. It's not like Favreau is some visionary or a directing genius. I say keep the writers and cast intact and if Favreau wants to cry online about being shafted, hire a better director who would make better use of a 180 million dollar budget than Favreau did. I say hire Alex Proyas for IM2 and move on. If not, save him for Captain America.
Favs said the schedule was too fast anyway by cowboyone	Jun 16th, 2008 08:42:32 AM
... but I'm a little surprised Downey would consider ANOTHER "kids" movie like this (?!) Must be a big payday.
Graphic Novel... by micturatingbenjamin	Jun 16th, 2008 08:49:06 AM
Meh. Own it, and it's not as 'original' or exciting as one would be made to believe. The art is old school, the most notable thing about this 'graphic novel' are its brevity, and the fact it was basically made by two dudes. The art is ok, I guess, but unless the dialogue is re-written, and a few of the later plot gaffs corrected, this is gonna be a bomb.
This would make sense for Robert Downey Jr. by brokentusk	Jun 16th, 2008 08:52:34 AM
Of all the rumoured projects Robert Downey Jr. has been linked to over the last few weeks, this is the only one that gets me excited sexually. Let's be honest - the guy just played Hugh Hefner in IRON MAN, he doesn't need to do it again in Ratner's Hefner film. He's also got a solid drama coming out at the end of the year (THE SOLOIST), so his next project may as well be another giant effects-filled blockbuster.
It's been around forever because... by droog	Jun 16th, 2008 09:13:53 AM
That's Platinum/Rosenberg's whole gimmick. Pitching and announcing projects that are "based on a graphic novel" that doesn't exist. He's built his whole Hollywood career on it. I'm surprised he ever actually published anything, to be honest, after so many years of non-start projects based on vaporcomics.
Cinema is the only... by Djamdjean	Jun 16th, 2008 09:30:28 AM
Industry that never learns from past mistakes. How many fucking times do studios repeat the same shit that has happened in the past, i.e. rushing projects, short paying directors, etc. This is fucking pathetic Marvel.
Does anyone besides me.... by sundancekeed	Jun 16th, 2008 09:51:35 AM
see all of this hype as simply negotiation through the press? Marvel got Favreau on the cheap the first time around, you have to believe that they'd try it again, no matter what "back-end deal" Favreau says they struck for the second film. If it's not on paper and notarized, it ain't jack. At the same time, Marvel's highly optimistic scheduling of a sequel has to be seen as an attempt to get Favreau and Downey back into harness and THEIR subsequent press releases and interviews seem to be taking the exact opposite tack. Looks to me like typical back and forth Hollywood foolishness until hopefully someone with some good judgement sits everyone down and hammers out a deal that all the players can live with. Otherwise, get ready for IM II with Ratner at the helm.
Kudos to Favreau by password.swordfish	Jun 16th, 2008 09:57:25 AM
for pushing for more time. Fuck all this rushing movies out - that's when they suck balls (see X3). I disagree that he was not part of the reason for the success of Iron Man. You can't dismiss his role in making the movie so easily - film is a directors medium so he had the most control in it coming out the way it did. Yeah, Downey was absolutely key, but it's not like Favreau was playing jacks while the writers and Downey did their thing.
The plot reminds me... by TheAD	Jun 16th, 2008 10:14:47 AM
The plot reminds me a little of OUTLANDER which was recently completed and is slated for release in Europe in a few months. In it Jim Caviezel plays an alien that crashes on earth in Norway in the eight century and has to help the Vikings fight off a Space monster that crashed with him. I'm hoping the Weinstein Co. figures out what they're doing with it soon because I really want to see it. It's supposed to be a pretty gory horror/adventure/sci-fi hybrid.
Marvel are the experts at fucking things up. by V'Shael	Jun 16th, 2008 10:42:55 AM
They're like the Democratic party of the comic book world.
Cowboys and Aliens by slone13	Jun 16th, 2008 10:52:18 AM

Cowboys and Aliens by slone13	Jun 16th, 2008 10:52:18 AM

Cowboys and Aliens by slone13	Jun 16th, 2008 11:02:26 AM
(Sorry about that posting snafu. How embarrassing...) I actually think "micturatingbenjamin" is being too kind in regards to his comments on Cowboys and Aliens. It's downright bad. I couldn't wait to get my hands on it when I saw the preview. But the sad fact is that it's just not good. The art's terrible and the story's worse. I've got a feeling Dreamworks liked the idea and the title and that was enough.
why wouldnt Downey do it by j2talk	Jun 16th, 2008 11:14:40 AM
people are asking why Downey would do another "kids" movie.....Why not? The man wants to act....its not like he has been getting a huge choise in roles,now he has some Box office clout and is able to work on projects he likes and he thinks would be fun to do...
"Actually, contracts get re-negotiated all the time" by Axl Z	Jun 16th, 2008 11:49:23 AM
Billy Dee Williams and Harvey Dent spring to mind!
VIRALLLLLL by PR1C3Y	Jun 16th, 2008 11:52:04 AM

Stupid title for this but.... by alienindisguise	Jun 16th, 2008 12:01:51 PM
sounds infinitely more interesting than Iron Man and Downey's known for doing the odd stuff.
Let's not fight.. by micturatingbenjamin	Jun 16th, 2008 12:43:09 PM
We can all agree that Cowboys and Aliens is a damned failure as a concept. The book is very very average...I don't know why Downey would get involved.
why ratner?? by j2talk	Jun 16th, 2008 01:25:45 PM
why the fuck do people assume that if Marvel can't get Favreau back they'd go with Ratner- there ARE other Directors out there...and NO i dont mean Bay either......
Wow Marvel's being cheap, what a surprise by brett burton	Jun 16th, 2008 02:46:39 PM
So Marvel drove away all the writers and artists that I liked in the 90s and now they're gonna scare the talent out of their movies too. Good going guys! (Downey please walk).
damnit, just when things were looking good... by br1947	Jun 16th, 2008 05:16:02 PM
fuck
Mr. Profit, I completely agree by Heckles	Jun 16th, 2008 06:31:21 PM
I like Favreau, but let's give credit where it's due. Downey Jr. made this movie. The screenplay was solid. Special effects were solid. Bridges, Paltrow and Howard were solid. Favreau is a good director, but it's not like he has a unique take on film. I don't want to diminish his work. However, another competent director could step in and take care of it without missing a beat.
Unique directors... by Heckles	Jun 16th, 2008 06:37:49 PM
More to my earlier point, you don't look at Star Trek III or Three Men & A Baby and go, "shit, that movie has Leonard Nimoy all over it!" Elf, Zathura, Iron Man. There's no style indicative of Favreau. Not a bad thing. On the flip side, I can smell a Renny Harlin movie a mile away and run in the other direction.
Cowboys and Aliens controversy by ebonic_plague	Jun 16th, 2008 07:20:12 PM
http://www.tcj.com/265/n_plati num.html Apparently, the only reason that Platinum Studios is even publishing a comic book called Cowboys and Aliens is so that they could sell the concept as an intellectual property to a movie studio (Gold Circle Films, who did My Big Fat Greek Wedding) as part of a 10 picture deal for comic book movie adaptations. The only catch is that these books were created as an afterthought to the deal to provide comic book properties to license. Which isn't to say anything negative about the book itself, but it's not exactly the best selling hit that Platinum is marketing it as in order to hype the movie. In fact, the only reason they can make that claim is that C&A was basically marked at incredibly reduced price ($0.75) as to inflate the sales figures so they can say it is the "top-selling graphic novel" in the country. http://www.tcj.com/journalista /?p=265 Platinum is catching a lot of flak from the comic book industry for this kind of Hollywood whoring, as the tactics are kind of reminiscent of the whole speculator market crash of the early 90's that almost killed the industry. I don't think any of use would mind about original content in sci-fi movies, but the whole disingenuous origin and marketing of this property is what sets off the bullshit detector.
It's like replacing Christopher Reeve for Superman II by Larry of Arabia	Jun 16th, 2008 07:21:21 PM
That's how boneheaded this would be. Downy's stamp on Stark is so strong that it would take a lot for audiences to accept anyone else in the role. The mass audiences don't have a strong connection to Iron Man through comics like the do with Spiderman, Hulk, Batman, or Superman. They met Iron Man in this movie through Downy.
Downey could do both movies by waites	Jun 16th, 2008 07:59:06 PM
If he started filming this one in the early Fall he could be done in time to start Iron Man 2 right after. I honestly don't think Marvel will try to do this without Favreau or Downey. It would be insane of them.
IRON MAN 2: PC, "NOBLE SAVAGE" BOOGALOO by slugbat	Jun 16th, 2008 10:39:17 PM

C&A2: INDIAN CASINO REVENGE by slugbat	Jun 16th, 2008 10:40:26 PM

Cowboys defeat Aliens, get milked by Alien Casinos by slugbat	Jun 16th, 2008 10:41:24 PM

Sounds like H. Turtledove's "World War" by planetrace	Jun 17th, 2008 09:48:00 AM
"Original idea"? Maybe... but it sounds a lot like the plot of Harry Turtledove's 1994 science fiction/alternate history novel "World War: In the Balance" (the first of eight related novels) in which, at the height of WWII, aliens invade Earth... and the warring human factions (Allies and Axis) have to try to work together to defeat the aliens. Great series, by the way.
kinda remains me by pcassou	Jun 17th, 2008 11:08:15 AM
Of a batman: TAS episode featuring a rhas al guhl son, i dont know why
Same writers on both projects by BonScott	Jun 17th, 2008 03:07:52 PM
Two of the writers from Iron Man(Fergus & Ostby) are penning/penned the Cowboys & Aliens script, so maybe that's why Downey is interested.

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