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Regarding the rumors that Marvel won't bring back Jon Favreau for IRON MAN 2...

foesri by Chumkid	Jun 10th, 2008 09:16:04 PM
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by SMARTASS8	Jun 10th, 2008 09:17:13 PM
Maybe we'll get a Favreau directed Steel movie?
Sounds about par for the course with Marvel by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Jun 10th, 2008 09:17:32 PM
Favreau must be aware of the King's treatment at Marvel's hands.....
Dear Mr. Maisel - by lonestaricon	Jun 10th, 2008 09:17:40 PM

How do we know Favreau isn't asking too much? by Flim Springfield	Jun 10th, 2008 09:17:51 PM
Not saying he is, just... the possibility is there.
Sigh... by DHJeffries	Jun 10th, 2008 09:18:04 PM
With non-Marvel Studio-created franchises, at least we got TWO decent films (Spider-Man 2, X2) before they went down the shitter...
I agree, Harry by cornponious	Jun 10th, 2008 09:18:15 PM
Completely.
Favreau is peripheral to Iron Man's success. by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY	Jun 10th, 2008 09:18:30 PM
Sorry but it's true.
Marvel better sign Favreau and his team soon. by Ayii	Jun 10th, 2008 09:19:19 PM
Otherwise there's going to be quite the nasty taint over the production of Iron Man 2 and a warning to other directors that if they help make a Marvel character a success, that they might get shafted on the sequels.
Keep Favreau in play by Cobbio	Jun 10th, 2008 09:20:51 PM
Please! He's the REASON "Iron Man" kicked so much ass and made so much money.
without Favreau by palooka_boy	Jun 10th, 2008 09:22:22 PM
Iron Man 2 will be a disaster of Michael Bay proportions. and you can forget about a half decent Avengers movie, because Iron Man 2 won't make nearly as much as its predecessor, and Marvel will scrap the whole idea. besides, didn't RDJ say he would play Iron Man in an Avengers movie IF Favreau helmed it?
Nice! by Thunderbolt Ross	Jun 10th, 2008 09:22:50 PM
You had an incredibly successful first film! So NATURALLY you wanna ... mix it up a little! See what happens if you change, say ... the DIRECTOR? Brilliant. I love risk-taking studios. I'll be the first to say the notorious UWE BOLL is the man for Iron Man II: The New Batch.
Dear Mr. Maisel - by lonestaricon	Jun 10th, 2008 09:24:25 PM
Jon Favreau did Marvel an incredible job of bringing Ironman to the big screen. He brought a comic book character to life on par with Donner's Superman. Give Favreau the deal he wants and Ironman 2 will be an even greater success. Do it not and you will deservedly considered a dumbass, fucktard by the fans, who have my blessing to kick your ass whenever and where ever they come upon you.
My head exploded by prunkhaft	Jun 10th, 2008 09:24:49 PM
So Favreau goes above and beyond- delivers an outstanding movie that generated great fan/critical/financial success and Maisel wants to bust the mans balls? Is Downey Jr. gonna ask for too much and he'll want to hire Shia instead? Favreau said on Howard Stern that he got paid very little for the first Iron Man on the understanding that on part two he would get backend points. And he deserves it. If this story is even halfway true Maisel is an extraordinary ass.
Time for studios to start respecting those that make the gold by Silverglade	Jun 10th, 2008 09:25:50 PM
favs was money. do not fuck with that, Marvel. don't mess this up for us.
Harry: Keeping Raimi was far worse than hiring Ratner by Stormwatcher	Jun 10th, 2008 09:29:35 PM
Sorry to say it, cuz I HATE the Rat and his films. But X3 was far, far, far superior to Spidey 3. I hope they keep Favreau but hope even more that Raimi isn't involved in Spidey 4, or Kirsten, two song minimum, Dunst
Favreau by Quint	Jun 10th, 2008 09:30:42 PM
What Favreau brought to the movie was his outlook on effects, melding practical and CG, but never going for either in exchange for character. He also very smartly opened himself and the movie up to the fan community making dozens of appearances at cons, showing footage, etc. Not to mention it was him who forced Downey through the system. He had to convince Marvel it'd work and it's perfect. In my experience with Favreau at ILM, he was the captain of the ship, everybody who he dealt with looked up to him and he looked up to them in return. If they take away the captain of the ship now, they have no idea what it's going to cost them in fan reaction and support, let alone the support of the technical cast and crew who went above and beyond to make the movie as great as it was. And make no mistake, the quality of the movie is the reason for its success. IRON MAN as a character could have just as easily flopped as succeeded. All the difference was in the performance by Downey and the leadership of Favreau.
BRING FAVREAU BACK! by tile_mcgillus	Jun 10th, 2008 09:30:54 PM
Don't you ruin this Marvel. Don't you dare. Pay the man. FOr the love of god there has to be enough money going around to make everyone happy!
DickBlood: Did you make fun of Buffy? That got my original monik by Stormwatcher	Jun 10th, 2008 09:31:02 PM
I used to be Atribiance, and then SamuraiJackBauer, but I made fun of Buffy on the Coxial and Herc or some dick banned me.
MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF WRONGNESS by prunkhaft	Jun 10th, 2008 09:31:56 PM
Peripheral? So who deserves credit? Source Material? Of course...but as far as what is on screen the director is responsible for-and that is especially true for effects laden films, like Iron Man.
Brett Rattner for Iron Man 2 and Avengers! by TheNorthlander	Jun 10th, 2008 09:33:33 PM
George W Bush for 8 more years!
It's a parallel to the failure of free market by Guy Gaduois	Jun 10th, 2008 09:37:06 PM
Economics . . . you have commodities traders and speculators who never actually handle product, never create, never actually consume, but make their fortunes as middle-middle men; the result is the sinkhole that once was free market economy, being eaten by the termites of commodities traders and speculators. In moviedom, their equal is these potholes called executives. They've never handled the product, they've never created the product, they've never actually enjoyed a movie or anything creative because they are soul-less. They are about securing their tenuous power for as long as possible, no matter what detrement is caused in the long run for creative process and long term success. I'm pretty sure I'm right on this, to quote Albert Brooks.
David Maisel is a fucking idiot by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 09:38:47 PM
the dude is so fucking corporate. this bullshit about marvel studios not making R films. as if image means anything you dumb fuck. you think the people who pay to see the movies will say "oh my god! they make R films, i am not taking my children to this" times have changed fucknut, people dont give a fuck unless the movie looks interesting. Your argument is contradicted by the people who made 300 a mega hit. Such stupid corporate greed means that they would actually pass on a hard R academy award winning Punisher movie. Fucking idiot.
Well-put, Quint by Cobbio	Jun 10th, 2008 09:38:52 PM
It's what I would've said if I could write that well and had more information than I do. I reiterate: please keep Favreau, if at all possible.
This is just idiotic. by Rando Calrisian	Jun 10th, 2008 09:39:16 PM
This makes absolutely no fucking sense. Is is possible that the suits at Marvel do not read fan reaction to Favreau's work on this film? Yes, he's going to be more expensive after creating the hit that Marvel has been dreaming about. Pay the man his damn money. No matter what, Iron Man 2 is going to be huge, but why rush a sub-par turd into the theaters? Did anyone working at Marvel really enjoy the Fantastic 4 and Ghostrider movies? The reason Iron Man is still playing in the theaters after a month is because of the attention Favreau and his team put into it. Don't Get Fucking Greedy. It is your release schedule that is going to ruin your studio - again. Of course this could completely be a leak from Favreau to get fans pointing out exactly how much of an idiot he is so he will sign Fav up this week. That would be pretty smart when you think about it...
Wait I smell opportunity by Thunderbolt Ross	Jun 10th, 2008 09:39:38 PM
Now they can recast Tony Stark with TOM CRUISE! Now I smell Oscar! And get that chick from Transformers to play Pepper Potts ... except change her name to Pepper Hotts. Sorry, I stink.
Well maybe if they didn't renew the Sony spidey rights by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 09:40:27 PM
they wouldn't be so cheap, but what kind of fucking idiot makes an asinine business decision like that. ohh yeah David Maisel. the same guy who doesn't want to hire Jon Favreau back. What a fucking idiot.
This is the type of article I used to love on here. by GQtaste	Jun 10th, 2008 09:40:56 PM
Good job Harry. Instead of tits reading and a tween book chapter a day your going back to what made you successfull.
I expected this to happen by WhoDis	Jun 10th, 2008 09:41:11 PM
just not this soon. it was funny because Jon was on Howard Stern about 2 weeks after IRON MAN was released and HS was shocked a deal wasn't already sealed with him coming back already after the enormous success it was. I guess that was the first red flag. fuck...
Marvel is screwing up by tyberious25	Jun 10th, 2008 09:41:29 PM
They got to wake up and keep Favreau! If not Ironman 2 will flop. Learn from Superman, Dick DOnner should have been brought back. The past repeats its self bring back Favreau. Petition time
He may be Marvel President. but acts like Lex Luthor by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 09:42:19 PM
What a cunt.
Let's see here... by waggy	Jun 10th, 2008 09:43:36 PM
Iron Man becomes the best reviewed superhero movie ever made, has a blockbuster opening weekend followed by exceptionally strong word of mouth that results in a relatively unknown character selling more tickets than the long awaited return of one of the most successful franchises in movie history, and catapulting its star onto the A-list. Yeah guys, let's totally fuck around with that formula by tossing away the leading creative force behind all of it. Marvel, I ask this as both a fan and a businessman: Are you fucking retarded???
The Marvel people would kill Jesus for a dollar. by duncanwk	Jun 10th, 2008 09:44:48 PM
Way to ruin a good thing. You suck Marvel.
Teddy KGB says... by Embeedeuce	Jun 10th, 2008 09:45:14 PM
Pay the man his money, straight up... With his "check check check." :)
While I dont like the rushing part by BeatsMe	Jun 10th, 2008 09:47:00 PM
Gotta agree that Favreau is not really that big a part of the equation. Downey made that movie a better than average (but just by a little) summer superhero movie. Favreau doesn't have enough vision as a filmmaker to really pull off should-be epic movies, though I'll take him over Bay, Ratner types any day.
This is beyond stupid by StealthBeagle	Jun 10th, 2008 09:48:22 PM
The difference in what it will take up front to make Favs happy and what Marvel might fuck this all up over is less than what the sequel will make during the fucking midnight showings the day the flick opens. This is so far beyond stupid I'm almost speechless. His deal for Iron Man 2 and Avengers showed have been sealed around Sunday of opening weekend. Fucking ridiculous.
Harry what about menitoning Spidey by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 09:50:32 PM
and how they could have terminated the rights and made a proper spidey series of movies but instead they renewed them meaning we have to deal with half ass maguire playing some parrallel universe peter and the unsexy kirsten dunst.
Is there ANY chance the decisions makers at Marvel are reading t by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 09:50:56 PM
If so, you guys need to MAN UP.
this?* by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 09:51:20 PM
Ahem, MAN UP, etc.
Sony ain't Cheap. by Rando Calrisian	Jun 10th, 2008 09:54:38 PM
I'm sure Marvel got plenty of cash from that deal. Anyone know how many more pics Sony paid for?
Isn't this what you're begging for, Harry? by MrD	Jun 10th, 2008 09:56:50 PM
This is almost inevitable when you are creating a shared movie universe. The universe becomes far more important than the individual players, especially those behind the scenes. Marvel has a schedule for Iron Man 2, Cap, Thor, and, I'm guessing, Hulk 3 (likely in pencil) all to culminate in the grande Avengers movie that gave so many fans masturbatory fantasies not so long ago. Well, if Favreau - who I agree was a big part of the film's success - has a conflicting schedule, if he wants to take time to "get it right", but that would conflict with Marvel's Billion Dollar To-Do List, we all know what will give.
Sigh by blimblambloo	Jun 10th, 2008 09:58:54 PM
Well, it was a good month or so, while it lasted. Maybe the cheaper Iron Man 2 director will decide that War Machine looks better in a leather jumpsuit and go that route. For what is leather but a softer form of metal anyway. Make him look like Hancock. That would be cheaper too.
Totally fucking insane. by zb.brox	Jun 10th, 2008 09:59:51 PM
Iron Man was fucking phenomenal, and it was an enormous box office hit. The movie is approaching 300 million dollars: IT MADE MORE MONEY THAN ANY SUPERHERO MOVIE THAT WASN'T SPIDER-MAN! You read right: Iron Man, virtually unknown to mainstream audiences, outdid Batman, Superman, and the X-Men. And it is the best-reviewed movie of the year and the best-reviewed superhero movie of all time. Marvel, for god's sake, Favreau hit this one out of the goddamn ballpark and across the state, GIVE HIM WHATEVER HE WANTS.
Iron Man 2: Who's the Big Winner? by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:02:21 PM
Not Mikey, I guess.
Iron Man 2: The Ballad of Pepper Hotts by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:03:51 PM
No one on the history of the planet is as sexy as that Fox chick. Fuuuuuuck.
BATMAN 3: JUDGE DREDD by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 10:04:07 PM
Wait... what?
Which would be better? by Rando Calrisian	Jun 10th, 2008 10:04:31 PM
A Favreau produced Iron Man 2, and Favreau directed Avengers movie? Or the other way around, because that release schedule Marvel pulled out of thir ass isn't going to allow both. But removing him completely from the picture would really be stupit.
What can we do? by billsrule7	Jun 10th, 2008 10:04:39 PM
Hey Harry, what can we as fans do to pressure Marvel? Where do we call / write?
From Marvels' POV... by Charlie Murphy	Jun 10th, 2008 10:05:07 PM
they fucking want another Iron Man before Avengers. And Favreau has gone ON RECORD saying he doesn't think he could do it, so it's not surprising they'd try and find someone who can. that said, Marvel is a bunch of fucking idiots not to try and make it work with Jon. A pay raise is not too much too ask, and surely Marvel could alter the sequel's release date if the man needs more time. But rushing it into production with some hack director just to rake in the bucks is foolish. If they burn the Favreau bridge, who's to say Downer Jr. won't take offense to that? Huh, Marvel? Are you willing to take that chance?
Quite Suprised by THE KNIGHT	Jun 10th, 2008 10:05:40 PM
funny how shit hits the fan when money is involved. I'd personally like to see Jon come back, I'm sure he's ready to show us what he's got with a sequel that usualy ups the ante.
IRON MAN: THE LAST STAND by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 10:07:14 PM
Directed by Brott Rotner
Marvel, say it isn't so!! by mypostingid	Jun 10th, 2008 10:07:28 PM
Favreau's insight and talents are very much needed for IM2. Does anyone know if RDJ has in fact been approached and signed for IM2? I thought he had a contract for sequels, but then, I thought the same about Favreau.
With apologies to T-Bolt by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:08:26 PM
Pepper Hotts cracked me up, so I paid homage to that. In fact, Fox is so hot I'd fuck her with your dick.
Iron Man 2 starring KEVIN SORBO as Iron Man! by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 10:08:33 PM
Called it first
WTF by Broseph	Jun 10th, 2008 10:10:27 PM
why can't people do the right thing instead of let greed rule them.i saw the movie yesterday and thought it was great.if favreau dosn't direct part 2 i won't go see it.i hope robert backs him on this
I enjoyed Iron Man by proper	Jun 10th, 2008 10:10:45 PM
Good work fella,Pay the man........
Imagine... by DHJeffries	Jun 10th, 2008 10:10:59 PM
if this film had been helmed by Mark Steven Johnson -- complete with the beat-by-beat outline from Daredevil, reused on Ghost Rider, and terribly integrated CG -- and then say that Favreau wasn't integral to Iron Man's success.
Iron Man 2: Biting The Hand That Feeds You by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:11:03 PM

UNBELIEVABLE by hegele	Jun 10th, 2008 10:12:11 PM
I won't see Iron Man 2 without Fav or Rob.
Release dates can change. by O_Goncho	Jun 10th, 2008 10:13:32 PM
I sure hope Marvel realise that sooner rather than later.
DAVID MAISEL IS A GARGANTUAN DOUCHE by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:14:06 PM
This fucker needs to be out of a job. Renews Sony's Spider-Man rights? Check. Cuts out huge, important chunks of The Incredible Hulk? Check. Pisses all over Favreau, the guy who gave their studio any rep it has? Check.
Wake Up, Marvel! by MovieDeal	Jun 10th, 2008 10:16:06 PM
Favreau is a true fan. Pay the man what he wants! It will still be a "drop in the bucket" to the bottom line. And he's shown what he can do when he's given the freedom to show the story he wants to tell. What's the problem? He wants Ironman to SUCCEED!!!
Robert Downey Jr. Will Walk, Mark My Words by FreeKill	Jun 10th, 2008 10:17:54 PM
Damn, this is a terrible story for the day. If Favreau is gone I guarantee RDJ and probably every other character will try to get out of whatever contracts they're locked into. I don't get studios, already the first Iron Man made more money then it cost to make, and by the time it's done will probably be around the 1 billion mark in terms of DVD sales and worldwide gross. Why be a greedy asshole and jeopardize repeating that 2-3-4-5 times by pissing off all the people who made the first version a success?
Remember, Marvel Studios has ONE hit, financed on credit. by Flim Springfield	Jun 10th, 2008 10:18:02 PM
I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but Marvel Studio's house of cards is one big-budget bomb away from collapse. It's hard to blame them for being somewhat stingy early on. That said, they definitely need Favreau back.
Come on, no one is that retarded by CherryValance	Jun 10th, 2008 10:20:23 PM
Who in their right mind would even think about replacing Favreau? Pfft. This has to be bad information.
DOWNEY WILL NOT APPEAR IN A FAVS-LESS IRON MAN by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:20:36 PM
He'll definitely walk.
Sad... by mefrog	Jun 10th, 2008 10:21:33 PM
Iron Man WAS Favreau and Downey. Take one out and everything fucks up. I REALLY hope this shit turns around... just the thing I needed to put me down at the end of the day.
CherryValance by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:21:56 PM
The person who, in their right mind would even think about replacing Favreau, is that assclown David Maisel.
We'll have a clearer picture after seeing Hulk's opening weekend by Flim Springfield	Jun 10th, 2008 10:22:38 PM

Letting Favreau go would be retarded by milesdyson	Jun 10th, 2008 10:26:29 PM
This makes no sense. ONE HIT and now they're pinching pennies and fucking around with what worked? Oh and I'm sure Downey Jr. will be thrilled about this.
is Downey already signed? by TheSeeker7	Jun 10th, 2008 10:27:09 PM
Because I'm thinking, in a show of solidarity, if this truly would happen that Downey would say -- No Favs, No Me.
well that's what I get for not looking by TheSeeker7	Jun 10th, 2008 10:28:37 PM
at other talkbacks before I post mine.
Why can't they just throw like 20 mil at Favs? by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:29:09 PM
Or is that low? I don't know. 20 bones seems reasonable.
George Lucas Can Save This Franchise by dumbpeoplesuck	Jun 10th, 2008 10:29:16 PM
Hope that inspired some bladder-emptying laughter out there through the tears.
Thanks BeatsMe by MEGAN FOXX MALICIOUS SENSE OF IRONY	Jun 10th, 2008 10:29:31 PM
I'll give my honest opinion: Iron Man was an average movie. Directed by an average director. With a potentially exceptional franchise lead - RDJ is the crucial element (indeed it is a cruel irony that he was only accepted after Favreau championed him). See what the "suits" are thinking here? You could have a better Iron Man movie if you let Marvel Studios stick to their guns. After all, their product so far has suggested they 'get it' (That is, Favreau and RDJ could only get into the funhouse if Maisel gave them the key, for want of a better fucking analogy), and there are two sides to every story. Look, I appreciate Favreau has a passion for the project but I get the feeling people are thinking with their hearts rather than their heads on this one. Come on - he got to direct ONE didn't he?!
TheSeeker7 by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:30:03 PM
He's signed, but he can just threaten to fuck with production and/or half-ass his performance and they'll let him go. Downey will NOT do IM2 without Favs, and Paltrow/Howard probably wouldn't either.
I wondered that too... by mypostingid	Jun 10th, 2008 10:30:22 PM
TheSeeker7, I asked if anyone knew if RDJ has signed for sure yet. Do you know? I think that's a factor. Also, how well The Hulk does this weekend...
Let your voice be heard by billsrule7	Jun 10th, 2008 10:35:17 PM
http://marvel.com/company/inde x.htm?sub=dept_contact_current .php&department=IR Under the department, select "investor relations"
Why is it always some suit fucking things up? by Dr. Egon Spengler	Jun 10th, 2008 10:37:24 PM

The stars of Iron Man are Robert Downey Jr and Iron Man by Rupee88	Jun 10th, 2008 10:38:09 PM
everything else is pretty expendable. Favreau did a good job but I can see them going for a less expensive alternative.
FUCK DAVID MAISEL by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:39:23 PM
David Maisel needs to die and Kevin Feige needs to get his job. Feige is the one who actually worked with Favreau/Letterier in the movies, Maisel is just your typical dumbass corporate prick who comes in to fuck everything up.
Megan Foxx by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:39:54 PM
Bro, you might be right about Favs, but has there ever been a case where they took a successful team apart for the sequel and it was BETTER?? Doubtful.
Rupee88 by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:41:47 PM
And who fought to get Downey the job when that fucker David Maisel said no? That's right, it was Favreau. And you can bet your ass Downey will remember that.
He has no idea. like putting Cap before Avengers by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 10:45:16 PM
I'm sure a cap movie put out before avengers will work wonders overseas. idiot. if you had any business sense. you'd know that the best way for a cap america movie to make money is for people to be introduced to him via an avengers movie, then they'ed see what a cool character he is, and not assume he's a jingoistic usa usa usa character. but you're stupid. you'd realize a chunk of captain america readers were introduced to him via avengers. theres more chance of a cap movie making money if done after avengers.
Megan Foxx etc. etc. by zb.brox	Jun 10th, 2008 10:47:23 PM
I'm sorry, I totally disagree. Iron Man was probably my third favorite superhero movie to date, after Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins, and a huge part of that is Favreau's direction. If the same script and cast had been handled the way Rattner handled X3 or MSJ handled Daredevil, it could have easily been totally fucking painful. As far as I'm concerned, Favs rocked it, and I don't even begin to trust another director with the work he started.
What you need is ME in charge of both Marvel and Warner/DC by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 10:48:05 PM
then you'll get your epic Avengers/Ultimates movie. Your space opera Geoff Johns written Green Lantern movie. Your Brubaker written World War 2 Cap movie with the triangle shield. The Hulk's orgin would have been a gamma bomb and involved Rick Jones. AND I WOULD NOT HAVE LET SONY RENEW THE SPIDEY RIGHTS!!!! FUCKING HELL. One day I will take his job and make a real fucking series of spidey films where spidey is actually spidey.
HULK SMASH PUNY DAVID MAISEL by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:48:20 PM

"real backend participation" by Rupee88	Jun 10th, 2008 10:49:16 PM
maybe you know more about Fav's deal than he does, but he said on Howard Stern that he doesn't get any back end from the gross of Iron Man. And he pointed out that Elf made hundreds of millions of bucks and he didn't see a penny from that back end deal.
Messi by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:50:22 PM
I know I'm trollin at this point, but Cappy needs no introduction. He's iconic. People don't hate America, they hate current foreign policy and they can decipher between the two. Hell, if people really hated America, we wouldn't have half the 3rd World immigrating here every year.
Just hire Mark Steven Johnson! by Brians Life	Jun 10th, 2008 10:52:31 PM
Cuz that went SO fucking well both times!! MARVEL...Fav's helped to develop one of the most successful and amazingly faithful adaptations of your material TO DATE!!! I am already barely capable of buying ANY of your dreck comics (gotta admit though SECRET INVASTION is dOOOOOOPe!! But you've fucked Spidey beyond the point of no return!!FUCK Winick! Fuck JMS! Fuck Joey "CHEESE" QUESADILLA!!! Holmes!!! Anyway...I don't buy your fucking comics, so DONT MAKE ME not go see your movies as well. Oh, wait...i DON'T see all your movies...cuz the majority suck! Sort your shit out!
Favreau has been getting better as a director by Traveler 27	Jun 10th, 2008 10:52:37 PM
my first reaction about IM: it was pretty good. what I liked most was that it laid the foundations for more, and it FELT right. Lots can get better in the next movie, but the structure of the character and story and relationships FELT very right and well done. I mean, we all know a suit like that would probably snap the neck of its wearer in real life, buit I buy it in this movie. Look and feel...that's a director's job. What is good and right about this movie is dur to Favreau. This is, actually, the first time I can remember a director saying he was a fan...and actually showing us what looks like a fan's movie. And the easter egg at the end...Losing Favreau would be...not good.
Slugbat-- by zb.brox	Jun 10th, 2008 10:52:38 PM
I don't think people hate America, but people do hate America's tendency to (falsely) assume American superiority in all regards, and Captain America could totally be taken that way initially. Having said that, I actually agree with you--Cap doesn't need that introduction, he just needs to be handled the right way.
AVI ARAD > DAVID MAISEL by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 10:54:28 PM
There, I said it.
They could get Ratner... by cornponious	Jun 10th, 2008 10:55:50 PM
and it would be AWESOME!! Not RETARDED!! Just KIDDING!!1!
they can't ....marvel can't shoot itself in it's foot ? by JeanLuc Dickhard	Jun 10th, 2008 10:57:13 PM
MOTHER FUCKING DAVID MAISEL..... DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THIS UP....... DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THIS UP YOU CHEAP BASTARD ......
BOTTOM LINE: by parallax_r	Jun 10th, 2008 10:57:16 PM
If Favreau is not brought back for any sequels, then MARVEL can forget about ever seeing my money ever again. I boycotted Spider Man 3 because they gave Venom the Darth Maul treatment (still have not seen the film, even on video), and I have no qualms or reservations about doing the same for this movie. WE WANT FAVREAU!
slugbat by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 10:58:59 PM
you need some education son. I can tell you a straight up released captain america movie will make fuck all business in the UK and Australia and half of europe. He's iconic in comics and people know of him, but they don't realize he's a character that stands for the american dream rather than the government. most people i have talked to in my life when cap is mentioned assume him to be a usa usa usa type right wing character.
Iron Man 2: The Quest to be BackEnded by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 10:59:08 PM
Stark retools the ass-plate on his robo-suit.
I won't see an Iron Man sequel without him... by Frank Black	Jun 10th, 2008 10:59:45 PM
I was so over super hero movies but Iron Man just nailed it Roberty Downey Jr and Jon Favreau will be the only combo to make this 37 year old get back in the theater for this property. It was just so entertaining it hurt.
"HERE'S MY BIG PLAN!" by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 11:00:50 PM
"We can use Iron Man 2 to introduce Thor for his movie launch a month later. But first, we have to make Iron Man 2 as shitty as possible so that we can make sure people will see neither movie!" -David Maisel
Fuck that. Avi Arad has done more damage than Maisel by messi	Jun 10th, 2008 11:01:31 PM
this is Maisel's first major fuck up. but Arad has been behind just about every other Marvel movie barring Iron man and Hulk and they are all pretty mediocre to awful. he has no idea what a great film is nor hasn't read many comics as it seems. Iron Man's success is due to Favraeu, Downey Jr and Kevin Feige who organized a Marvel Think tank which included Bendis and Mark Millar to go over the script. and It was Millar's suggestion to save the Mandarin for a sequel and play up Obadiah Stane.
To bad New Line didn't sack Jackson after FOTR.... by DirkBelig	Jun 10th, 2008 11:02:27 PM
...then they could've saved having to pay him for the others. I kid, of course, but WTF is Maisel smoking that he can look at the guy who single-handedly launched Marvel Studios with a big honking hit and puts $800 mil in the bank and his first thought is, "I've got to unload this guy so I can have more money in my giant Scrooge McDuck money room."?!? Madness!
this is probably a negotiating tactic by Rupee88	Jun 10th, 2008 11:03:03 PM
they probably want Favreau, but just not for what he wants to be paid. Plus, he doesn't want to rush out a shitty sequel in May 2010 and they do. Most likely, Favreau will blink and re-sign for a whole lot of money but less than he wanted and will just deal with a shitty script like Raimi did. Or they could get Favreau to direct Avengers instead with the longer lead time...that would be a good alternative. And Iron Man was not even that great of a movie...it was pretty darn good and entertaining, but not that amazing. But Favreau didn't write the script and you can't totally blame him for that. He's the mofo who wrote Swingers and he'll always be a genius solely based on that. I hope they do re-hire him. Yes he "deserves" it, but since when it business does it matter what you "deserve"??? Right..never.
And now.... Uwe Boll by kdoc13	Jun 10th, 2008 11:03:16 PM
Just kidding folks. But it seems like the kind of thing Marvel would do.
messi by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 11:06:04 PM
I was being facetious. Of course Avi Arad has done more damage to the Marvel name. But I don't recall Avi Arad pissing all over the director that made his movie a hit a mere month after release, so you'll excuse me for thinking Maisel is a bigger douche, won't you?
well, and regarding the contracts... by TheSeeker7	Jun 10th, 2008 11:06:40 PM
Hasn't it been fairly typical over the last several years now that where a comic book franchise is concerned, at the casting stage of the first film they automatically have the director and first like 2-3 main leads locked up for at least two, if not three films? I believe this was the case for Spiderman, I'm damn near positive it was for Batman Begins. So they didn't do this for IM? Or, since this is Marvel, did they maybe want to buck that trend or something. Just find it strange that any of the actors would've already been signed for at least 2 but not the director (if that's true).
Haha that would be a huge fucking mistake. by JKrow21	Jun 10th, 2008 11:06:57 PM

THIS IS BULL SHIT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REWARDED FOR HARD WORK by JeanLuc Dickhard	Jun 10th, 2008 11:08:33 PM
GOD DAMN YOU MARVEL AND DAVID MAISEL.... AND AVI IS ANOTHER FUCKER THAT DIDN'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MARVEL.... JESSE FALCON HAD TO TELL HIM WHO IRONMAN WAS OR ANYBODY FOR THAT MATTER FUCK YOU...... DAVID MAISEL, IN LIFE YOU HAVE TO REWARD HARD WORK AND LOVE YOU GOLDEN EGG YOU GREEDY BASTARD
TheSeeker7 by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 11:09:42 PM
I believe Downey, Paltrow, and Howard are "optioned" for two more films, which means Marvel gets them back but they may need to pay them more. And Favreau was only signed for the one film.
One hit wonder by darth rod	Jun 10th, 2008 11:11:56 PM
seems marvel going that way, this is on par with dc levels of stupidity. Avengers is not going to be viable if they are this fucking cheap! I hope Hulk bombs just to humble this exec retard, after a lackluster weekend it´s going to be another story, and this is very possible mainstream audiences remember the lackluster first hulk, the cheap direct to video trailers doesn't help hulk chances of success either.
Messi by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:13:16 PM
You prolly hang with a bunch of leftist d-bags, then. Your circle of friends means fuck-all, though admittedly this is the general consensus. I respectfully disagree with this popular assumption, that Europe hates America. And I believe they are still grateful for WW2, so make my dream come true and set the damn thing in WW2.
IF KEVIN FEIGE WERE TO ASSASSINATE DAVID MAISEL.. by Shia LaBeoufs Uncle	Jun 10th, 2008 11:15:24 PM
Between that and Iron Man, he'd make up for being attached to the F4 movies.
Shit! by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:17:41 PM
Didn't mean to get political. Who we chill with means nothing in the scope of things -- that's my whole point.
MARVEL, Please Don't Fuck Up So Soon. by CHEWBLACCA	Jun 10th, 2008 11:22:02 PM
Everyone knows that Jon Favreau made IRON MAN what it was. He put everything he had into that movie and will do the same for the sequels. I'm sure that you folks can work this out.
Iron Man: Damn, I had a good one, 2 by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:22:06 PM

Hollywood is the Jews playground by Amadeo Zeller	Jun 10th, 2008 11:22:34 PM
Why are you people acting surprised? It's been their tradition to demand maximum effort for minimum pay. Look what Pixar had to go through before Disney replaced what his name with someone who actually values hard work. Why do you think that writers' strike lasted for so long? Their initial demand was just an extra nickel on top of what they were getting, and these moguls fought them tooth and nail by publicly villifying the writers by saying their demands was unreasonable? It's this sort of penny pinching and creative jewish accounting practices that killed the music industry...And if the film industry isn't careful they'll follow suit.
Iron Man 2: Not Fe-rtile Ground for Sequel Spam by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:25:28 PM

are you surprised? by redfist	Jun 10th, 2008 11:27:18 PM
I knew that Marvel would fuck it up...just didnt know it would happen after having 2 hits. I thought that they would really just monkey fuck it up from jump street.
Damn You David Maisel by Cletus Van Damme	Jun 10th, 2008 11:27:43 PM

bring Favreau back! by kafka07	Jun 10th, 2008 11:27:52 PM
Marvel, you bunch of fucking fools, what are you thinking?
Consider by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:31:51 PM
This could be just a rumor. Or just hard-nose business. No reason to give away the store to Favreau jus yet...negotiations are part of business.
DUMB Move, MARVEL by LaserPants	Jun 10th, 2008 11:32:56 PM
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I'm sure they've already put a call in to Ratner.
DUMB Move, MARVEL by LaserPants	Jun 10th, 2008 11:32:58 PM
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted. I'm sure they've already put a call in to Ratner.
The bigger they are... by Outlaw24	Jun 10th, 2008 11:35:42 PM
How does the rest of that go again, Marvel?
MARVEL-its all about the $ by Jobacca	Jun 10th, 2008 11:35:54 PM
MARVEL wll ABSOLUTELY go with a cheaper director,rushed script,and an all new cheaper cast to make that Mar 09 start date. Its what happened with X3,its what happened with the new Punisher movie...it will happen again. Look at the amount of money that Bryan Singer generated for FOX with the first two Xmen films. How much did that matter in the long run? X3 was rushed and still made a shit load of money(even from the fanboys who swore it would suck and they'd never see it). Heres how its gonna shake down...Iron Man 2 will be a rushed piece of shit that is mainly used to introduce Thor. No way will Downey come back without Fav(I dont care what his contract says). It will basically be the quality of a Direct to DVD movie. Oh,and no matter what,Norton aint coming back to play the Hulk so they better be working on recasting him as well. Unless Marvel is willing to spend the cash(and they arent) the dream of a combined onscreen Marvel universe is dead. But look on the bright side...maybe Tim Story will make a few more Fantastic Fours!(although they probably wont continue to pay the guy from Nip/Tuck so expect Doom to be recast)
Just so silly... by DanielKurland	Jun 10th, 2008 11:37:14 PM
It just blows my mind that studios will not hire the most capable person if it will appear to save them a few dollars, but ultimately ruin the franchise in the end.
I think if you look at X3 objectively, it's not a bad film by Cotton McKnight	Jun 10th, 2008 11:38:31 PM
Yeah yeah I know the story. We all do. Hell before Singer even left, I remember seeing a poster for X Men 3 and wondering how in the world they were going to make a movie when there isn't even a script yet. Stupid me. But you know what? The movie really isn't bad. If Singer had directed it, it would have been probably lauded. I say that because I did NOT care for the first movie when I saw it- it was just "okay".
And after seeing it the other day.. by Cotton McKnight	Jun 10th, 2008 11:40:35 PM
for the first time since it came out, I have to admit I liked it. There were not, to me anyway, any "cringe" moments. The dialogue was fine, the acting was fine, and so was the story. Was it Singer's vision? Probably not. But it is what it is. I think people are more mad at the circumstances behind the film than the film itself.
Iron Man 2: It's NOT a Mech Suit! by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:41:33 PM

Not a fan of the film, but... by Tourist	Jun 10th, 2008 11:42:04 PM
...It did what it set out to do. Which is more than can be said for every single other comic book film of recent times, save Spider Man 2 and Batman Begins. Why fuck with a winning formula? Did they not see the price increases related to each successive Pirates film? That didn't hurt the bottom line at all. Marvel must be setting out to be the Wal Mart of the motion picture industry. Just weight until they announce a factory full of malnourished asian children as the director for Hulk 2.
Iron Man 2: Mobile Suit FUN-Dam! by slugbat	Jun 10th, 2008 11:43:16 PM

favreau, surprisingly, did an excellent job by reckni	Jun 10th, 2008 11:45:03 PM
Thus far, Iron Man is the best film of the year, and Favreau certainly had a big hand in that. Sounds like real bad business to let him go, pretty dumb maneuvering if true. Above all else, I just hope the Iron Man 2 script is good. That's what really matters.
Wait? Is that shit true about R films? by Tourist	Jun 10th, 2008 11:45:27 PM
Holy fuck. Your telling me the head of a new studio (or sorts) is bringing with him the retarded mentallity of the childrens comic book industry, which obviously sucks? I mean, granted, you wouldn't R rate something if it wasn't condusive to the material, but, what, a fucking PG punisher film?
Outstanding, Marvel by DKT	Jun 10th, 2008 11:45:44 PM
Honestly, I'm amazed we got this much good stuff out of you. It only took you about a little more than a month and the release of two movies for your collective egos to start making you out to be jackasses. While you're at it, go ahead and make Spidey 4: Brand New Day.
Its not a debate about the quality of X3 by Jobacca	Jun 10th, 2008 11:47:16 PM
Thats not the point(although I also enjoyed X3 and I do own it). The point is,Bryan Singer MADE that franchise what it was and then he was replaced at the drop of a hat. True,FOX was to blame and we would all hope that Marvel Studios would be smarter,but whos to say they are? With FOX,as with most things,the bottom line is the be all end all. And if Marvel Studios thinks they can make bank on Iron Man 2 without the original crew,you damn well better be prepared for them to do it. After all,as far as the suits are concerned,a crappy movie that sells toys and Whoppers is better than no movie at all....
My only problem with X3... by Amadeo Zeller	Jun 10th, 2008 11:47:17 PM
was the way they handled the Phoenix plotline. The Phoenix saga should've been a movie in and of its' self. Script-wise X3 was nothing more than Whedon's Astonishing Xmen first story arc. He should've sued for royalties and co-screenwriting credit.
Harry's grammar..... ain't good. by Seph_J	Jun 10th, 2008 11:51:55 PM
"I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise. There is a very very strong chance that unless David Maisel pulls his head out of his ass and work on this deal - you'll see Jon Favreau directing anything but an IRON MAN 2 or an AVENGERS movie." I mean... I teach English to Chinese 12 year olds... so I'm used to deceiphering awful sentences, but Harry mate.... you are not Chinese! Your grammar is awful. At least TRY to convey the meaning of what you want to say!
Typical Marvel... by ebonic_plague	Jun 10th, 2008 11:52:07 PM
Remember when people were shit talking the JLA movie? "DC sucks, Marvel's gonna show everyone how it's really done! Avengers will be awesome because they know how to build a superhero universe!" Marvel, like a bizarro version of those Jurassic Park dinosaurs, always finds a way to fuck up a sure thing. By the time Thor rolls out, Dolph with the painted on stubble is going to look good.
Iron Man is overrated. Favreau is expendable. by Ash Talon	Jun 10th, 2008 11:52:14 PM
Iron Man is a highly overrated movie. It's okay, maybe even pretty good. But it's pedestrian in its direction. RDJ makes it enjoyable. Why doesn't Favreau think 2 years is enough time to make IM2? He needs more than a year in prep time? Why? The story can be hammered out within a few months, and the major set pieces can get moving shortly after. There's plenty of time. So much groudwork has already been laid. It's not like they're starting from scratch. Also, shame on Favreau for not realizing what he was getting into. Iron Man was obviously prepping for franchise treatment. Marvel certainly discussed future plans with him. Instead of bitching to the press, he should be prepping story ideas if he gets to do a sequel.
Not surprised.... by Nuking the Fridge	Jun 10th, 2008 11:55:38 PM
However, I can't really imagine Marvel really fucking this up and NOT hiring back Favreau. They can't be that stupid. A fuck up like this would jeopardize their Avengers Movie. They would get the fan backlash to remember...Marvel can't be that stupid. Right?
I hope Hulk is a huge hit... by Tourist	Jun 10th, 2008 11:59:18 PM
...That when, when the star of their relaunched franchise tells them to suck his dick for pissing him off after he stooped into fix their shitty product up (like Favs on Iron Man) the investors can ask Maisel for a memo.
Beautiful Editorial Harry by krushjudgement	Jun 10th, 2008 11:59:43 PM
Here's to hoping Marvel pulls their head out.
The release date thing is stupid by Jobacca	Jun 11th, 2008 12:02:36 AM
We all know the strike fucked things up. Why are all the studios now insisting that shit get rushed into production just to fill a hole? So what if we dont have the traditional summer movie season...do they really think Iron Man 2 would tank if it came out in the fall? Hell,Zach Snyder has proved that fanboy films can be released in March...why cant other studios follow suit? I'll go see a good Iron Man movie whenever,but if it smells like crap I'll wait till its on TNT....much like I plan to do with the Thomas Jane free PG-13 Punisher suckfest Marvel has in the works.
pay attention marvel... by stickmangrit	Jun 11th, 2008 12:02:50 AM
remember X3? was the whole fucking reason you bought all your properties back up so that you could just pull the same shit we hated the studios for yourselves? look at fucking WB and Batman. they had a director bring a franchise back from the fucking dead, and what did they do? that's right, they gave him whatever the fuck he wanted. and now they not only have two commercial successes under their belt thanks directly to this decision, but are about to release the only movie capable of outshining Iron Man. don't fucking pull a Rothman, PAY THE MAN.
I wish I could get angry at this news... by Magunga	Jun 11th, 2008 12:03:31 AM
...but Avi Arad taught me years ago that Marvel cares for its properties only inasmuch as their earning potential is apparent. Marvel Studios is just another money-devouring machine; it has neither a soul nor a heart. There is no such thing as sentimentality in business, and human beings matter less to the executives than the flow of little green pieces of paper.
Favreau is expendable ??? by Jobacca	Jun 11th, 2008 12:08:57 AM
Fuck that sentiment. Favreau and Downey are the ONLY reasons this movie worked. I've been a life long comics fan and I dont think I've ever read a single Iron Man book...hes boring. As a character,hes only interesting when hes drunk or in The Avengers. And the script for the Iron Man movie could not have been more routine. It was the same damn super hero origin movie we've seen a dozen times already. Favreau put a unique spin on the property that made it work,and the cast was brilliant. Just remember kids...at one time,Tom Cruise wanted to produce and star in Iron Man. Think about the horror of that the next time you spout off about Favreau or ANY part of the original Iron Man team being expendable....
We (they?) will rue the day!!! RUE IT!!!! by The Dum Guy	Jun 11th, 2008 12:13:43 AM
We still have some time for this to fan out, hopefully for the best. Mayhap the powers at Marvel have JF set to direct the Avengers instead of Iron Man 2... mayhap?
Favreau is a GENIUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by california_mtz	Jun 11th, 2008 12:19:11 AM
I know it's a trite expression, but IN THIS CASE, IT'S TRUE - JON FAVREAU IS A GENIUS!!!! He made Iron Man, he built Iron Man as a potentially HUGE franchise from the ground up. Just give him his fair due, that's all he's asking for!!! If anything, give him MORE than what he's asking for!!!! He deserves it!
What the f@#k by pezduro	Jun 11th, 2008 12:20:47 AM
I'm in my Iron Man t-shirt irate hearing about this crap. Favreau is so Money and Marvel doesn't know it.
On Favreau by epitone	Jun 11th, 2008 12:23:20 AM
Now, first of all, let me say that I think Favreau knocked the ball out of the fucking park on IRON MAN and I would love to see him come back and do another installment or five. However, I also know that he's had a legendary ego ever since SWINGERS became a cult hit (even in the lean years when he was mostly doing forgettable character work), and can't even imagine how big his head must have been when he walked into the room to negotiate his deal for the sequel. (Not that there's anything wrong with that -- the rule for creative people in Hollywood is, show no mercy as long as they need you.) Who knows; Favreau could have gone in asking for a Spielberg deal. Full creative control, producer credit, maybe even that elusive R rating. (Seems to me if any superhero movie could benefit from an R, it'd be this one.) The same thing might have happened with Bryan Singer after X2. And studios can't stand it. They'll push back with everything they have, even if they shoot themselves in the foot in the process. But the really sad part? It never happens with actors. I'm sure Downey could demand twice the money Favreau's asking for and they'd just shut up and pay him. Because the people holding the money just don't understand how movies are made. That's why they have to pay other people to make them.
It's time... by mr.brownstone	Jun 11th, 2008 12:29:47 AM
for Directing Unit 4 to activate.
Yeah,I'm not a Favreau or an Iron Man fanboy... by Jobacca	Jun 11th, 2008 12:32:18 AM
I just know that Iron Man was a movie that worked it spite of itself. NOBODY thought this film would make this kind of money. Marvels got all the time in the world to do these films right...god knows DC and Warner Bros aint exactly nipping at their heels. I think Marvel fucked up big time by announcing those dates and actually trying to meet them....just let it take as long as it takes. If the movies are good,they'll still make money. I'm kind of curious to see how their new Punisher does...the first one may not have been great,but this one has just looked like crap from day one. If it tanks and tanks big,maybe Marvel will rethink their policies regarding quantity over quality....
Man, I hope this isn't true. by heyscot	Jun 11th, 2008 12:32:24 AM
Favs is the reason this whole thing worked. He's so money and the studios don't know it? Say it ain't so! Honestly, the guy is the Iron Man director. No one else can do as good as he can and he's WORTH it. Don't mess this up, Marvel. Bring back Favs. He's the main reason you had such a monster hit on your hands.
Piss Poor Business Decisions can turn the by Quin the Eskimo	Jun 11th, 2008 12:34:09 AM
good will this movie generated into a backlashing motherfucker. People are going to become cynical, even if the Hulk and Iron Man generate posittive reviews and a ton of cash. Jesus Christ with a hockey stick. If Downey says he won't work with anyone but Favreau, this will END IT, and well get Iron Man 2 as we deserve it.
As big a tragedy it would be...... by unuseddraft	Jun 11th, 2008 12:34:53 AM
if Favreau didn't get to continue to play in Marvel sandbox, it's nothing compared to the tragedy of Gone.
Downy can END THIS by Quin the Eskimo	Jun 11th, 2008 12:34:54 AM
and well love him all the more for it.
I like Favreau but by betterlookingthanyou	Jun 11th, 2008 12:37:48 AM
Does anyone actually think IM2 would fail without him? Robert Downey Jr's performance MADE that movie, and Stark's charisma alone should keep this franchise afloat for at least another couple more movies.
Sadly, none of this surprises me by wackedfuck	Jun 11th, 2008 12:37:58 AM
All this news about Favreau not being attached is what really got me worried, but I was already feeling that things would go sour early. I mean really, promising the production of several films when you've barely started your new film studio? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
hope they hire the ratt by bacci40	Jun 11th, 2008 12:38:49 AM
and kill off marvel once and for all..and then jack will be watching from heaven and laffing his ass off
I here there are talks about a Speed by Series7	Jun 11th, 2008 12:40:02 AM
Racer sequel though. With the W's writing.
HOW IRONIC- MARVEL FILMS DESTROYED BY A CORPORATE VILLIAN. by alice 13	Jun 11th, 2008 12:46:23 AM
MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Waiting on Hulk by saintaugust	Jun 11th, 2008 12:46:32 AM
Maybe Marvel is just waiting to see how Hulk does this weekend before it comes to the table with a new offer for Favreau.
Where are all the "HAPPENING" reviews? by BenBraddock	Jun 11th, 2008 12:56:03 AM
It's opening in two days time and there is nothing on Rotten Tomatoes, nor here... surely not a good sign.
betterlookingthanyou...the answer is.... by bacci40	Jun 11th, 2008 01:01:51 AM
yes...it will fail...oh, it may make money, but it will fail in the same way that both ff's, x3, daredevil and the punisher failed...directors and writers working on a deadline and also thinking that they know better than the source material...the only thing favreau changed was the transformation of stark from hawk to dove...it happened much more slowly in the comix...but this is a different time...but here is the reality, the majority of the core geek fans are now all aging...we dont fit the demo...so they are looking at an entire generation of kids who never really read the comics...but play the vid games or have seen the toons on tv...so marvel and the suits think they can do whatever they want with the product...and they may just be right...ff2 was a hit, despite the fact that it was a gigantic pos...whatever, hopefully by 2010 the world will be over and this whole discussion will be moot...come on george, bomb iran already and bring on armageddon
Dear Marvel by hallmitchell	Jun 11th, 2008 01:11:47 AM
Look how the Weinsteins are strugglig now. Want to know why? They ripped off the talent. And everyone in hollywood knows it. Do not rip off the talent. They are hard to find Marvel. Don't get smug.
coupla comments... by Traveler 27	Jun 11th, 2008 01:16:22 AM
Singer didn't get dumped from X3. He abandoned it because he was offered Superman. He abandoned his child to make a movie about a guy who...abandons his child... And putting the right team together is crucial to making a project gel and work; you don't just replace the director and everything falls into place. what you're saying is that directors in general are expendable, and that their job can be done by anyone, which isn't giving them due credit.
The deal could be worked out if they mention a multi-films deal by chien_sale	Jun 11th, 2008 01:16:26 AM
Meaning if Marvel decide to bring Favreau really on board and have him touch various Marvel characters and films then Favreau would become more than "just another director" for them. You pay guys more that you know will give you more.
Bacci by betterlookingthanyou	Jun 11th, 2008 01:19:20 AM
I agree that faithfulness to source material is vital. However only one of those examples (x3) was the result of a change in director. I think that Marvel can find someone who will be cheap and make a quality film. My suggestion? Shit i would give brad bird a shot. WIth the Incredibles and Iron Giant? Seems like a match made in heaven to me.
Does Marvel forget... by brattyben	Jun 11th, 2008 01:24:18 AM
that Iron Man grossed over 100 mil?? That doesn't happen everyday. I was REALLY excited for Marvel Studios and their upcoming projects. This news about Favreau has me worried. Hopefully RDJ will pull a stunt and say he's not coming back unless Favreau directs.
IRON MAN 2 -- Directed By Rob Cohen by TheSeeker7	Jun 11th, 2008 01:25:15 AM
Coming to a theatre near you... just you wait, I'm tellin ya!
Marvel's knife, Marvel's throat. Cut away. by Uncapie	Jun 11th, 2008 01:26:12 AM
Favereau clearly has his hand on this genre. Marvel clearly has its thumb up its ass. Its like getting rid of set designer Ken Adam after "Dr. No" who created the Bond world look with his work. Just kill the Golden Goose while you're at it, you stupid fuckers. And "X-3" was shit. You don't kill off three major characters("Professor X: perfect casting there," "Cyclops" and "Jean Grey.")if you want to continue the franchise.
Traveler 27...in a sense, he did get dumped by bacci40	Jun 11th, 2008 01:30:17 AM
as did marsden...fox didnt want to hold off production for singer to do supes...not only that, they wanted to make sure that x3 came out before supes, thats how petty fox became...they hired hack writers to toss together a pos script and when they couldnt find a decent replacement for singer, cuz all the good directors took a look at the shooting schedule and knew the product would be shit...they hired the ratt...and so the trilogy ended with a thud instead of a bang, and basically killed off the possibility of any further xmen films...oh sure, their will be spinoffs...but no xmen...and while favreau is indeed dealing with a bs money issue, he is right about marvel's stupid shooting schedule...marvel has no other scripts in the can, yet they have already anounced shooting dates and release dates...idiots...christ, they dont even do this with the comics they produce...their problem is, they didnt plan anything ahead, cuz it was a wait and see for both iron man and the hulk....now they are stuck, as they have nothing to release in 09...but like i said, right now, ole jack is sitting up in heaven and laffing his ass off
Can't Imagine Downey Coming Back Without Him by bkiddo25	Jun 11th, 2008 01:41:24 AM
Robert Downey Jr. will be greatful for Iron-Man the rest of his life. Aside from fully restoring his film career after years of slowly building it back up (Good Night, Good Luck, Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang, and Zodiac) from everything I've read and heard the Iron-Man shoot was a complete blast for him. He loves the character and loves the people he worked with. Especially Favreau. I simply can't imagine Downey considering returning without the man who helmed his career defining role. I see him being very loyal to Favreau for everything involving Iron-Man and I can see others in the cast and crew following his lead. I would love AICN or another site to try to contact Downey to get his opinion on all this.
Bring in Michael Bay by theplant	Jun 11th, 2008 01:42:22 AM
I wanna see some heavy stunts and shit, 97% of the movie, who cares about the characters ? Explosions are all that count. Just kidding.
Val Kilmer will take over as Iron Man by theplant	Jun 11th, 2008 01:43:28 AM
Directed by Joel Schumacher instant box office hit !
MARVEL, I hope you're paying attention by Trancer	Jun 11th, 2008 01:45:10 AM
We are the fans. You'd do yourself a favor to listen to us. If you want successes like you've had with "Iron Man," don't start turning into studio weasels. Pay Favreau what he's worth, and you'll be well rewarded. If you decide to penny-pinch and get a half-assed director, your going to get a half-assed movie that won't make nearly as much money. Think about the actual bottom-line, not just about the cost to get a director that can actually deliver. "Lowest bidder" isn't the strategy to follow if you want the quality that will make you the kind of money that will make your stock go up.
RDJ and Favreau by Crestfallen	Jun 11th, 2008 01:45:30 AM
I bet Downey doesn't return if Favreau. Marvel has demonstrated remarkable ambition with their announced three-year slate of intertwined films, essentially a cinematic universe. The brazen plan initially suggested balls and a dedication to realizing the marvel universe on film. However, this rumor indicates, rather, a drive to pure capitalization. Money. On Howard Stern Favreau revealed that he made 4 million for the two years making Iron Man. Given the 150+ budget and the profit that will be in the 100 millions, and the even better returns for Iron Man 2, doubling his salary would be of little consequence to the studio.
Here's the link: by Crestfallen	Jun 11th, 2008 01:46:08 AM
http://tinyurl.com/57smly
Kevin Smith syndrome? by zacdilone	Jun 11th, 2008 01:54:00 AM
You're talking about the wrong malady. The "Kevin Smith" syndrome is when a complete hack who can't write dialogue worth shit and couldn't direct his way out of a paper bag still manages to earn the love and respect of geeks for throwing in the occasional Star Wars reference in his film and showing up to call them faggots in online talkbacks.
Brett Ratner set to replace Jon Favreau! by James Ford Coppola	Jun 11th, 2008 01:58:13 AM
You just wait and see, bitches
This story has blown up online... by robzass	Jun 11th, 2008 01:59:43 AM
...so it's obvious Marvel has heard the outrage. It'll probably get fixed now. You're welcome Favreau.
DAVID MAISEL IS THE NEW TOM ROTHMAN by James Ford Coppola	Jun 11th, 2008 02:02:11 AM
I predict another classic open letter from Vern in the near future
so if I'm getting this right by Maniaq	Jun 11th, 2008 02:16:13 AM
Favreau can do IM2 or Avengers - but not both? Well, at the risk of going against the grain on this one, I'd have to say I'd rather see him pick Avengers over IM2 - if he HAD TO. I just don't think having the same director for the sequel NECESSARILY guarantees you success with that sequel. Don't get me wrong. I'm a HUGE fan of Favreau and thoroughly enjoyed ALL of his films - even the kids ones like Zathura, which could have easily come off as a cheap Jumanji clone. I'd LOVE to see him do both. But if he can't, then I'd rather he tackle Avengers, quite frankly. Actually, I'm still hoping for John Carter of Mars!
An OMD/BND style fuck up... by James Westfall	Jun 11th, 2008 02:18:21 AM
... first they fuck up the Spider-Man comic, then they fuck up the Iron Man and Avengers movies. Wish I could say I was surprised.
An OMD/BND style fuck up? by Ben_Gazzara	Jun 11th, 2008 02:38:10 AM
I've got "Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark" for the first one, but I'm still stumped on BND.
Does David Maisel have the obligatory hollyweird cocaine habit.. by wowsah156	Jun 11th, 2008 02:59:10 AM
Because thats the only reason i can come out with to think of how stupid this penny pinching attitude to Favreau is. Maisel could undo all the good work even before Marvel get a chance to do more good movies. He either gives Favreau the money he needs or the company board remove Maisel pronto.
You've gotta be kidding.. by Icht Buff	Jun 11th, 2008 03:02:03 AM

You've gotta be kidding... by Icht Buff	Jun 11th, 2008 03:03:12 AM
I won't see any Iron Man that Favreau isn't a part of. Hands down.
Farvreau was the reason the movie rocked! I won't see an Iron M by -=Shin=-	Jun 11th, 2008 03:14:49 AM
John made one of the coolest movies I've seen in years. Marvel's been making all kinds of bad decisions to counter-act their successes, I hope this doesn't turn into one of those.
MOTHERFUCKERS!! by ckone	Jun 11th, 2008 03:15:23 AM
How stupid can they be? Do they grow these executives straight out of assess? Why the hell would they not have already greenlit the sequel wit Favreau in the directors chair??? it is completely assinine and will spell the down fall of what could be an amazing amazing time for Superhero films and us fans in general. I can't believe that R D J would be in another one unless Favreau was the director , so that would completely just fuck the whole thing....C'mon Marvel don't fuck this up...
I'm an Englishman in Vancouver. by the9points	Jun 11th, 2008 03:20:08 AM
Today a stranger who asked me to roll him a cigarette at a bus stop said he thought the English could deliver the word 'cunt' better than anyone else on the planet. Please, consider that opinion when I request - Do not fuck this up, you utter cunt. That man made you, your studio and holds your future success.
Downey made it a success. Not Favreau. by SpencerTrilby	Jun 11th, 2008 03:21:37 AM
Of course, Favreau insisted to hire RDJ, but it doesn't matter anymore. I'll wait for the reboot as far as I'm concerned. Favreau's sophomoric humor, boring action and lame character development was painful enough the first time around.
- by the9points	Jun 11th, 2008 03:21:44 AM
Not fucking cool.
Shane Black for IM2 by David Cloverfield	Jun 11th, 2008 03:26:31 AM
He's done great work with Downey on Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. Imagine what an fucking insane movie that would be.
Maybe wishful thinking but... by LUZER	Jun 11th, 2008 03:26:45 AM
...I think they'll work it out. I mean come on, RDJ and him were hand in hand for the whole press tour. Probably just trying to play hardball with $, but it'll work itself out.
That is... by ReZourceman	Jun 11th, 2008 03:27:33 AM
So fucking lame.
They HAVE to bring Fav back... by cineninja	Jun 11th, 2008 03:35:30 AM
...because he was a genius in casting himself as 'Happy Hogan' thereby insuring they have to bring him back or risk having to recast the character....yes, friends...Happy Hogan...there can be no Iron Man 2 without Happy Hogan...destined for greatness as the Green Guardsman...genius...pure genius..... No, not you Maisel...youre a fucking retard
- by the9points	Jun 11th, 2008 03:36:24 AM
The outlook was so bright. Maybe we'll remember May/June 08 as the time we had a Cinematic Marvel Universe ahead of us - controlled by people we liked and trusted with the project. Maybe we'll forget how it really was when caught up in our extreme critisism of whatever may follow. I'm sorry - there's no need for the drama. Take the man and four of his buddies to Vegas. Get drunk and marry a hooker; Use the shower curtain to get the body to the van; Go for a steak breakfast before flying out. Ask him how he'd ideally schedule these movies - all the movies. Dont push him out. Bring him in a little further into the circle. He may just be the key. Surely you're a geek in there somewhere. He's the key? No? Cunt.
Iron Man 2 will end up "directed"(fucked up) by Ratner by James Ford Coppola	Jun 11th, 2008 03:40:37 AM
RDJ probably won't be in it without Favreau directing, Norton won't be in the next Hulk, all because of some stupid David Maisel motherfucker who can't get his head out of his ass. Gotta love those Hollywood exec assclowns for fucking up our all our favourite movies
Sorry, but nobody can't blame Ratner by Amadeo Zeller	Jun 11th, 2008 03:41:32 AM
on the artistic failing/shortcomings of X3. The sole responsibility on that falls on Fox/Rothman...Given the timeframe they wanted done, it left noone with any true integrity to produce a quality picture. They initially approached Joss Whedon to direct it, but he declinded after the Fox postpone production for a year, so he could polish the script. Ratner did what he was hired to do: "BE THE DUTIFUL HIRED GUN" and shoot the film within the pre-designated timeframe...That being said, - It could've been worse.
Ooops! by Amadeo Zeller	Jun 11th, 2008 03:43:13 AM
after Fox wouldn't postpone production for a year
Nobody expected Ironman to do as well as it did by emeraldboy	Jun 11th, 2008 03:43:39 AM
Ironman was I think going to be a one off. so, when it broke those records. Marvel rushed to do a sequel. Favs isnt a sequels guy. Burton remember now says that Warners bullied him into doing batman returns. He wanted to make and made batman. Then wanted to do other things. But WB pressured burton into making Batman returns. Great opening. Lousy film.
and one more thing... by emeraldboy	Jun 11th, 2008 03:53:12 AM
Ironman was a script that had been kncoking around hollywood. This was after all a film that had cruise attached to it. getting downey was masterstroke. Whatever happens. The sequel will be knocked to pieces by the talkbackers from the day the cast is announced and the director and writer too. Remember Iron man had 4 writers.
Slugbat by Lost Jarv	Jun 11th, 2008 03:56:00 AM
kiss my British arse. "Still grateful for World War 2" indeed. Messi is also wrong, although rampant jingoism is faintly embarrasing to us, we are smart enough to distinguish between well established "captain America" and nauseating "Captain George W and his quest for mid-east oil"
and Ban Amadeo Zeller by Lost Jarv	Jun 11th, 2008 03:57:54 AM
most offensive post I've seen in ages. Could he be the unwelcome return of zfisk?
Really Harry? You're gonna blame Ratner? by Shermdawg	Jun 11th, 2008 04:02:56 AM
Rothman and Berry are the reason X3 failed. Not Brett.
Don't Care About Favreau by grievenom	Jun 11th, 2008 04:04:23 AM
Bring him back or don't. Iron Man was alright. I wouldn't miss him if they don't bring back Favreau and bring in a fresh director.
Favs will make a good Iron Man 2 movie by BobPalpatine	Jun 11th, 2008 04:05:52 AM
But I don't think he will make a great one. In terms of visual style, the man is pretty pedestrian: his visuals never have the pop and sizzle that is especially germane to super hero movies. With that said, if Marvel is trying to go cheap on someone like Favs, the won't spend the money on anyone better. Favs is as good as we get, and a good super hero movie is better than a bad one.
Funny that when Marvel became a studio... by Steve Rogers	Jun 11th, 2008 04:10:58 AM
...we didn't forsee that it would start acting like a studio - in other words, like total fucking douchebags.
HIRE UWE BOLL!!! by hellboy1979	Jun 11th, 2008 04:16:08 AM
He's fantastic. meh.
What about Faverau's lack of action direction? by Lemming	Jun 11th, 2008 04:23:11 AM
I'm sure I heard people complain that he can't really direct action, and now that the origin stuff is out of the way, surely the sequel will be more action than anything else?
Jesus Fucking Christ! by Mr_Incredible	Jun 11th, 2008 04:36:01 AM
How fucking retarded can you be? Just give Favreau whatever the hell he wants. Iron Man was a success thanks to him and Robert Downey Jr. It was Favreau who wanted RDJ as Tony Stark and it was Favreau who made that happen. And you can bet your ass that no Favreau means no RDJ. Why is it that almost all those studio executive are greedy, lamebrained fucking idiots? Hey David Maisel, stop snorting coke and fucking whores for a second and do the fucking right thing!
There is no way Iron Man 2 will not have Favs by RickSheridanDreamz	Jun 11th, 2008 04:43:26 AM
... please let there be a god. MAISEL I WILL HATE YOU FOREVER IF YOU DON'T GET FAVREAU BACK!!!!!!!!!!! (not that my hate will matter much to you... but I think the cumulative distaste for your douchebag-ness would be enough to get you to DO THE RIGHT THING) shit... i shouldn't even be having to type these words... why is this not common fucking sense?
What Favreau didn't bring to the movie by elab49	Jun 11th, 2008 04:50:19 AM
Was the ability to sustain a pretty good half hour for the full running time. Bad guy was awful, Pepper Pots stuff was bad. Downey Jr in Afghanistan - great fun. Steped off the plane the thing fell to pieces. It isn't as if Favreau is some god-like director with a great track record!
Cheap Fuckers by Yeti	Jun 11th, 2008 05:14:25 AM
Give me gas.
It's always the evil studio... by JackPumpkinhead	Jun 11th, 2008 05:39:41 AM
..and the poor director. But unless the director's demands are known to the public, who the hell can say who's right? What does he want, or, rather, how much does he want, hmmm? Remember Jackson and the first time his whining was made public, but the amounts he wanted were not? "Aw, poor guy, exploited by the evil studio!" And then it turned out that "all" he wanted from New Line was half of Bill Gates's money, and the greedy bastards for some reason wouldn't give it to him. Awww!
Marvel wanted to get ironman out of system by emeraldboy	Jun 11th, 2008 05:43:52 AM
The script or the project had been around for years. I think marvel saw it as a once off. Downey jnr, favs and platrow and bridges gave the movie something. Favs can direct actors. That scene with bridges and downey jnr, near the end of the movie, was terrific. really dark and menacing. Problem with the movie was the Afghanistan segment. The action stuff was great. It was as if paramount decided that whole war on terror was BO posion. so it was put on the back burner for the rest of the movie. and never mentioned again. apart from that and the indecent rush to get the suit on. Ironman was absolute blast.
IF FAVS IS NOT DIRECTING THEN I AIN'T WATCHING!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 05:53:00 AM
Do you want my $11 or not, Maisal? HUH??!?!
EVIL BASTARD by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 05:53:36 AM
Fucking cockcucker bastard!!!!
FUCK YOUR MOTHER MAISAL!! by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 05:54:14 AM
Bitch should have had an abortion!!!!!
there is a very true saying.... by emeraldboy	Jun 11th, 2008 05:56:20 AM
Your only as good as your last film...
THERE'S ANOTHER TRUE SAYING ... by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:10:23 AM
David Maisal is a turd eating tranny who loves ass to mouth.
A new low in nonsensical language? by Laserhead	Jun 11th, 2008 06:10:32 AM
"I wish I could come on here and say I know otherwise, but sadly I know otherwise." What the fuck does that statement mean?
David Maisel... by 11dayempire	Jun 11th, 2008 06:14:00 AM
...if you don't give Jon Favreau whatever he fucking wants to do Iron Man 2 and The Avengers, you are a cunt. End of.
THAT STATEMENT MEANS by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:15:17 AM
No Child Left Behind ain't working.
DAVID MAISAL IS A CUNT ANYWAY by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:16:37 AM
a shit eating tranny cunt. (No offense meant for any trannies here.)
FAVREAU SHOULD DO LIKE TONYA HARDING ON DAVID MAISAL by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:17:50 AM
So he can't skate no more.
DAVID MAISAL MUST WORK FOR SATAN by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:18:50 AM
because why else would you fuck over a guy who brought so much joy to humanity in these dire times? Only Satan would do that.
Its not that fucking serious... by Mr. Profit	Jun 11th, 2008 06:23:18 AM
He did a good job. Great job? No. The cast did all the heavy lifting. Only a wasteful or inexperienced director can spend 180 million and come up with "Iron Man". Still don't see how it cost so damn much? Either way, as long as the cast is intact who cares? There are other directors out there that can capably direct action films.
I GOT 2 WORDS, 5 SYLLABLES FOR DAVID MAISAL by BringingSexyBack	Jun 11th, 2008 06:25:30 AM
Gitmo. Waterboard.
I think you're all brainless by BendersShinyAss	Jun 11th, 2008 06:26:36 AM
Look, Marvel is putting these films together. If it has plans for Iron man, then guess what, it got it all up and running in the first place without your input. sure I agree that Fav made a great film, but i also believe that it wasn't his. it was The screenwriters that layed it out, it was ILM that dazzled us with visuals, it was the cinematographer who gave it it's cinematic look, and it was the editor that held us in with great cuts. not to mention the outragously cool score, which was NOT written by Hans Zimmer as so many here believe. Lets take spiderman - Raimi screwed the pooch big time and lets say that franchise had a new director each film then we may have gotten a fresh new flick each time. it doesn't matter how many think Singer being dropped from xmen was a bad idea, Singer wasn't making good xmen films. he started a great thing, but those films didn't get any semblence of excitment til Ratner came along and THAT'S the general consensus - screw Xmen 2 and superman returns. those films are dull lifeless and FORGOTTEN. If marvel wants an iron man 2 in production next year and Fav is saying "sorry, i can't do it, give me more money" then guess what, he's not the boss." He's also not the only person who knows how to make a film. just because he amde a kickarse first outing doesn't mean he'll strike it twice. I use Time burton on batman, Shumacher on batman and robin, Raimi on spidey 3 and spielberg on indy 4 as examples... seriously, get over yourselves and let this thing run it's course as the observers you are. petitions??? you have no idea what Fav said that might have pissed off marvel. and believe me, he must have done something for them to even consider dropping him after the success of iron man. maybe he wanted more military parties with 80's disco flare?
slugbat by messi	Jun 11th, 2008 06:28:20 AM
It's nothing to do with my beliefs or anything. It's to do with face value assumptions. In the UK and Australia they say things like 'fucking yanks' or 'american bullshit' in regards to highly american things. Stuff like Independance day, the whole of the uk and australia rolling their eyes at the patriotic bits in spidey 1 and the big flag in spidey 3. stuff like that. They don't know how Cap really is. I love cap, but most australians and brits will think "ha as if i'll see this bullshit(or shite if you're in the uk)". This is just how they think. It's the title alone. That's why if you introduce Cap through Avengers, people will see he is an aweosme character and not a jingoitsic Usa usa usa type character and they'll say 'hey he is cool and not about bullshit america, i will see the captain america movie'.
Lost Jarv by messi	Jun 11th, 2008 06:30:40 AM
are you idiots so fucking stupid to not get what i'm talking about. People will assume what Captain America is, typical jerry bruckheimer salute, flag raising bullshit. i know it's not. but most brits and australians will think that, mention captain america and they will snicker thinking he's a usa type character rather than a hero standing for the american dream. it's assumption and that's why a cap movie released before avengers will fail heavily overseas.
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