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Damn, does this feature Crystal Skull ?
by barnaby jones
Jun 9th, 2008
04:54:44 AM
Okay so it does
by barnaby jones
Jun 9th, 2008
04:56:12 AM
This is a must have.
The swordfight was shot?????
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 9th, 2008
04:58:43 AM
Wow.
The blockbuster landscape
by kwisatzhaderach
Jun 9th, 2008
04:59:36 AM
Great commentary on the state of today's blockbusters Mori.
Agree
by mrfan
Jun 9th, 2008
05:01:17 AM
Damn good book
So when's the next Indy?
by Pizza The Hut
Jun 9th, 2008
05:06:02 AM
...and will Ford be 80 by then?
I've got this book
by ChickenStu
Jun 9th, 2008
05:09:07 AM
I got sent this as a a thank you present, cause I moderate Spielbergfilms.com. An essential volume. I'm just finished the Raiders part of it and it was VERY interesting. I've just started getting into the part about "Temple". Essential for any fan of the movies. Great book, I'm loving it!
Sounds like a porno
by Iowa Snot Client
Jun 9th, 2008
05:21:45 AM
Crystal Head in "The Complete Making of Indiana Jones"
Here's the swordfight
by Bobo_Vision
Jun 9th, 2008
05:22:15 AM
Its very rough and short because obviously, it wasn't completed, but this is still pretty cool nonetheless. I found it a few months ago - I love Youtube.

http://tinyurl.com/4nv64x

Do LuCash and Jerkberg tell us how they fucked things up?
by Motoko Kusanagi
Jun 9th, 2008
05:22:33 AM
No? Count me out.
Damn right Mori about problems
by IndustryKiller!
Jun 9th, 2008
05:30:50 AM
It seems like genre filmmaking just had more spark back in the days when filmmakers had to struggle to figure out how to do something or invent something themselves. I suppose maybe because as a director you are a visual storyteller and when you have the option of putting visuals in front of everything else it's just an awfully tempting proposition. Back in the day you better have had strong characters and a tight story because you didn't have the budget or the technology to fill every shot with technical effects. I really hope someday a generation of filmmakers comes along and brings some equilibrium to the computer age. Not that there isn't some good work being done today but I think the ratio is pretty heavily skewed. I just know that somewhere out there someone is filming a bad Terminator film because they think tons of robots and flying ships can make up for a bland lightweight story and is more interesting than a good one and that is just fucking sad.
Script comparison?
by ArchCarrier
Jun 9th, 2008
05:37:55 AM
22 million dollars is about 65 million today. Great analysis about what's wrong with moviemaking today!
Maybe you can write your next column about the different script versions of CRYSTAL SKULL? I'd really like to know how much better the Darabont version was than the final film...
I love this book...
by TheBigDogg
Jun 9th, 2008
05:49:41 AM
But you're right about the Crystal Skull bits. Not just in terms of the first three films being of a time but there just hasn't been enough dust settled on Skull to look at it in any detail or with objectivity. Too many questions. For example - why have whole paragraphs about Spielberg wanting to do this the old fashioned way, then have whole sections about the CG and not ask the question 'what the hell happened?'. I think they would have asked that about the first three but the promotion of Skull would have prohibited any honest answers. Overall though, a fantastic book.
About fan film-makers and originality...
by raw_bean
Jun 9th, 2008
05:54:05 AM
...I thoroughly agree, and that's why it's so great to see the Star Wreck guys take everything they learned doing just about the biggest fan film ever and moving on to something that looks incredibly original (in the same way as Raiders and Star Wars I mean, original but inspired by pulp material) and cool in Iron Sky.
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Jun 9th, 2008
06:02:33 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Jun 9th, 2008
06:02:38 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
Read it and loved it!
by Trazadone
Jun 9th, 2008
06:21:35 AM
After the superb Making of Star Wars, I couldn't wait to get my hands on this. Although a lot of focus is on Raiders, all the films get some attention and the book provides oodles of interesting tidbits. Highly recommended.
Swordfight - why aint THAT on the dvd?
by BenBraddock
Jun 9th, 2008
06:30:49 AM
Thanks Bobo, that was pretty cool, though it seems to consist of a paltry 2 scenes... there must be more! I'd LOVE to see goodies like that on the dvds, I wonder why we never get the real gems. Most DVDs today have a commentary if we're lucky and a couple of studio promo-type "Making of" featurettes. I love to see screen-tests, outtakes and alternative takes, especially from a classic like Raiders. I know The Beard will never do a commentary as he's said it destroys the film-making mystique, and I have to respect that, but why keep the juiciest extras gathering dust in a Burbank vault? Can you imagine how cool it would be seeing a Tom Selleck Indy screen-test?
Tom Selleck Indy Screen-Test
by offscauta
Jun 9th, 2008
06:36:58 AM
The Tom Selleck Indy Screen test is on the Indiana Jones Trilogy DVD Extras disc. Can't remember exactly where, probably in the Raiders documentary.
BenBraddock
by Pandas-R-Us
Jun 9th, 2008
06:39:23 AM
The Tom Selleck screentest is in the extras for the Indy Box set I bought a couple of years ago.
Oops
by Pandas-R-Us
Jun 9th, 2008
06:39:58 AM
Sorry, you beat me to it!
I agree with Yack
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 9th, 2008
07:05:07 AM
In my mind, it is Indy 4 in name only. Sort of fun, but just so whacked out and apart from the others, in time, subject matter, weirdness, jokes that try too hard.
some advice maybe
by Bouncy X
Jun 9th, 2008
07:06:40 AM
regarding this column, maybe if you take out the word "today" then you'll feel less pressure to constantly deliver. because then, it wouldnt be expexted on a daily basis and maybe people wouldnt bitch at ya due to that. just an idea. i realize "things i love" doesnt have the same ring without the word but yeah. anyway this sounds like a cool book, maybe i'll pick it up with the star wars one, i havent read a real book in like years so educamation time.
offscauta/Pandas, thanx
by BenBraddock
Jun 9th, 2008
07:09:08 AM
I'd no idea, I didn't see it listed on the box. Thanks for the tip. That's the old box set not the new one? Hmm, You Tube here I come..!
Yeah, I read this a while back
by GregoryHarbin
Jun 9th, 2008
07:15:33 AM
When Skull came out, I picked the book up that weekend, and finished it in about five hours. Fantastic read.
Very nice to see the return of this column.
by brokentusk
Jun 9th, 2008
07:24:26 AM
This past weekend has been a sour one as far as my relationship with AICN goes. It's mainly my fault, I admit, for getting so annoyed at certain peoples' comments on the TBs, but GONE and ScriptGirl also helped. This column, however, has rectified my negativity. Great writing Mori, keep it up (as long as you're able to, at least). I believe in you!
ricarleite: Don't speak for everyone, bub.
by Playkins
Jun 9th, 2008
07:26:46 AM
I know a LOT of people that liked Indy. That is, basically everyone I know that isn't a fanboy and doesn't frequent this site. Don't even come close to thinking KOTCS is universally (or even in the majority) hated. And saying that Hollywood produces only shit IS a bunch of SHIT. I could list ten movies from last year right now that were AMAZING.
Radiers adaptation
by RenoNevada2000
Jun 9th, 2008
07:34:20 AM
Any mention of the three guys that did the RAIDERS adaptation as kids? They really should be namedropped in this.
Errr, not Radiers, but Raiders
by RenoNevada2000
Jun 9th, 2008
07:35:09 AM
Must have caffine before posting...
Reno...
by TheRealMoriarty
Jun 9th, 2008
07:37:28 AM
... no... no, they shouldn't. I like those guys, and I'm glad they've had some attention for it... but where does the piggybacking end? This is a book about the making of RAIDERS. The making of the real one. I think it would be sort of ridiculous to single out one fan film above all others and include it in this book that is otherwise about the making of the actual movies.
BenBraddock
by Pandas-R-Us
Jun 9th, 2008
07:50:46 AM
Yeah, that's the old trilogy box set, but it might be in the new one as well, I'm not sure of the differences.
Mori, please! We beg...
by Atticus Finch
Jun 9th, 2008
07:56:28 AM
Now that Indy 4 is out, is there anything you can tell us about the Darabont script? I read what the "Making of" book says, which is not much. Maybe you can just tell us how close the movie is now to Darabont's script? Is Darabont's script better than what ended up on the screen (which I thought was pretty good)? Was Lucas a fool for turning Darabont down? Please...anything.
Can't wait for One Thing I Love Today! Gone!
by Funketeer
Jun 9th, 2008
07:59:48 AM
C'mon Mori. You know you want to.
Atticus Finch
by brokentusk
Jun 9th, 2008
08:01:05 AM
I completely agree! I actually e-mailed Mori two weeks ago asking him the exact same questions you asked, but alas, did not receive a reply. I would find it absolutely fascinating to see how Darabont's script (which both he and Spielberg loved) differed from what ended up on screen, and if it would have made a better film (i.e. no monkey scene). I'm convinced the more stupid aspects of KOTCS came from Lucas, would rejected the Darabont script because it was too serious. That's my theory, at least.
That's "who rejected", not "would rejected"...
by brokentusk
Jun 9th, 2008
08:02:28 AM
There's a Crystal Skull section in this book...
by greenstyle92
Jun 9th, 2008
08:36:23 AM
But not in the Lego Indiana Jones game? Something seems odd about that...
I'm done with Indy
by FILMFUNK
Jun 9th, 2008
08:39:42 AM
The latest one held no magic for me. I don't know what went wrong inside the theatre last week when i watched Crystal Skull but I've never been pulled out a movie on so many occassions. I'm too old for this shit and i wish sometimes the actors and directors would realise this too!
Crystal Skull
by Series7
Jun 9th, 2008
08:54:14 AM
I am not an Indy fan to begin with, but I will say that the opening scene for the first movie is probably one of the top 5 opening scenes ever. Thought that its funny Doc Ock is in that scene and then was never heard of again until Species. I mean here how little I know about Indy, in re-watching the old movies to get ready for the new one me and my roommate watched like the first 15 minutes of Temple of Doom before we decided that it was not the first movie (once we saw the asian boy we knew he was in the second one). But man Krystal Skull was just like the Mummy 2. I got these two guys at work, ones older then me and loves the old Indy's and feel asleep during the new one and hated it. The other guy has yet to see and gets all annoyed when I talk about, because he doesn't want me to RUIN it for him. And I just tell me, anything that could possibly happen to a person happens to Indy, its impossible to ruin. I did ruin the surprise skeezy mustache guy part for him though.
Will there be a revised edition
by skimn
Jun 9th, 2008
08:54:42 AM
coming out with the chapter heading, "Nuked The Fridge"? ( Sorry, someone hasn't that phrase in almost a week...)
Moriarty!
by jones1899
Jun 9th, 2008
08:56:32 AM
Where is your write up on the Darabount script for Indy 4 !?
Why are people so sure the Darabont version is better?
by TheLastCleric
Jun 9th, 2008
09:05:51 AM
I love the guy's work but about half of the people who saw the Mist fucking loathed it. There's no chance any script would have pleased everybody in regards to Indy 4.
Playkins is correct...
by TheLastCleric
Jun 9th, 2008
09:09:18 AM
The critical feedback has been mostly positive and the film has been a huge financial success. I guess people on these boards think they speak for the world but almost everyone I know who has seen the film really enjoyed it.
Love to know...
by mystic_dreamer
Jun 9th, 2008
09:30:05 AM
if this is my old friend Simon M. from Minehead. Son of Twanky.
moriarty, please write about the darabont script
by zapano
Jun 9th, 2008
09:47:01 AM
it would great to read a detailed analysis of the darabont script by yourself. could you imagine the world wide interest? then again Lucas would probably get you sent to guantanamo bay...
Is Secret of the Incas mentioned anywhere in the book?
by freerangecelt
Jun 9th, 2008
09:59:04 AM
A 1954 Paramount film that has yet to be released on DVD, because, some say, that there are too many similarities between Harry Steele, played by Charlton Heston, and Indiana Jones...
Mori
by BGDAWES
Jun 9th, 2008
10:00:23 AM
Respond to Atticus Finch:

Now that Indy 4 is out, is there anything you can tell us about the Darabont script? I read what the "Making of" book says, which is not much. Maybe you can just tell us how close the movie is now to Darabont's script? Is Darabont's script better than what ended up on the screen (which I thought was pretty good)? Was Lucas a fool for turning Darabont down? Please...anything.

Inquiring minds want to know!
It wasn't that bad
by Lost Jarv
Jun 9th, 2008
10:00:37 AM
It's not worth getting upset about. And it CERTAINLY isn't worth defending, but it isn't one of the worst films I've seen in a long time.

It's just disappointing and lacklustre.

sports fans
by muddstick
Jun 9th, 2008
10:04:37 AM
If your a sports fan, and your team goes to the world series and loses. You get pissed. You get mad at the team and feel dissappointment. Yet, I never heard a fan bash the past glories. I find it funny that with the disappointment of The fourth film people are so easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater so to speak. Seems a shame. I read the book and still love Raiders. Nothing will taint that for me.
It's the second highest grossing film of the year...
by brokentusk
Jun 9th, 2008
10:10:55 AM
... and has been earning exactly what the studio expected and hoped for. It's far from a box-office disappointment. Having said that, I agree that the film wasn't perfect.
Indy 4 was salvageable
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 9th, 2008
10:21:47 AM
Only, no one bothered to tell Spiel-Cas, "Hey, this part sucks" or "Lose the monkeys" or "Enough with the gophers," and so forth. Or if people DID say something, Spiel-Cas ignored them. Every time they had a chance to do the "grown-up" thing in the movie, they went the kid route. Remember that nice "it's the mileage" sequence on Katanga's boat in "Raiders?" Nothing like that in KOTCS. No heart, no charm, no feet on the ground.
I'm not defending it,
by Lost Jarv
Jun 9th, 2008
10:26:38 AM
and I suppose the key criteria is "seen" but it is far better than, say, both 28 weeks later and 30 days of night (Different genre, I know). Which were truly, truly horrible.

Munich was 2/3rd's brilliant with a turd-tastic last segment. It should have finished after the woman got shot.

Why is this site so slow?
by INWOsuxRED
Jun 9th, 2008
10:27:01 AM
No other site on the internet takes this long to load simple pages.
LXG is worse than Indy4
by Lost Jarv
Jun 9th, 2008
10:27:09 AM
that's not saying much though.
anchorite
by MONKEY BUTT
Jun 9th, 2008
10:37:13 AM
I agree. I don't want to, but it's true. I don't think Spielberg tried or wanted to make a stinking pile of shit with Indy 4. I think he's genuinely lost it as a director of action/adventure cinema. He's in a different place now. The director who made The Lost World and War Of The Worlds made Indy 4, and how fucking sad is that. People who defend Indy 4 either don't know what good movie-making is, or are so clouded by it being an "Indiana Jones" movie and wanting so much to love it, they have no objectivity. I remember EXACTLY the same thing with Phantom Menace. It took a while for the smoke to clear, and for all the Star Wars fan to stand back and see that movie for the piece of shit it truly is. The same will happen with Indy 4. Plain and simple, it's a bad movie.
Indy 4 Summed Up In One Example
by Autodidact
Jun 9th, 2008
10:44:50 AM
In the warehouse, Indy tries to swing on his whip onto the roof of a truck. He ends up crashing through the windshield backwards, and sitting between two Russian soldiers. Before doing anything else, he says out loud, to himself I guess, "I thought that was shorter..." THEN he punches out the Russians. I found that so stupid... first of all why is he talking to himself? Indy doesn't talk to himself. Second, why would he say it before hitting the soldiers? Lucas obviously thinks it's for comedic effect, but it just made me roll my eyes.
so...when is indy 5 going to be annouced???
by j2talk
Jun 9th, 2008
10:47:55 AM
indy 4 has made more than a few $$$$ even with the... er less than positive reaction, Ford, Lucas and Speilberg have all said they'd do another.....maybe they could get it right this time?
"...channeled it into an original creation"
by Snookeroo
Jun 9th, 2008
10:50:36 AM
Hardly. Most of Indiana Jones was directly stolen from an old Ronald Reagan movie, right down to the leather jacket and fedora. Don't get me wrong -- Raiders was a very entertaining movie -- but there's not much there that's original.
Indy 4 kicked fucking ass! I loved it
by Proman1984
Jun 9th, 2008
10:55:51 AM
And this book looks awesome too!
Well, thank the powers-that-be for RAIDERS...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jun 9th, 2008
10:57:41 AM
...TOD and TLC. Because I'm still reeling from the mess that is/was CRYSTAL SKULL. I haven't been that disappointed in a film in a LONG time. Considering the pedigree of the previous installments, I actually feel somewhat "embarrassed" for the entire production. I can't believe it turned out to be such a poorly written and executed debacle.

I'll say it again - I was more entertained by Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS than I was INDY 4. And to think that I would actually prefer to watch any of the STAR WARS prequels over INDY 4 makes me shudder to my very pseudo-geek bones.

How could this happen?!?!?

I haven't picked this book up with but I will
by Tacom
Jun 9th, 2008
11:01:54 AM
I loved the MAKING OF STAR WARS book and if this one is as good as that then I can't wait to read it. Even though it's not a perfect movie and not the best Indy I liked a lot of KOTCS. If you can't even enjoy the snake pit scene then maybe it is for the best to leave Indy behind. RAIDERS was a perfect movie and hard to replicate. It not only had the best payoff to end an Indy movie but one of the best payoffs to ANY movie period.
munich was ultimately undermined by its attempt to be "balanced"
by zapano
Jun 9th, 2008
11:02:30 AM
it's a shame because there are certain elements to the film that i absolutely love. schindler's list continues to be his last last truly great film
Connery wasn't older in Last Crusade than Ford is now
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 9th, 2008
11:22:39 AM
Connery was in his late 50's when he shot Crusade, and Ford was 65 when he shot Crystal Skull.
Diddo, Mr. Nice Gaius.
by MONKEY BUTT
Jun 9th, 2008
11:32:36 AM
"I was more entertained by Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS than I was INDY 4. And to think that I would actually prefer to watch any of the STAR WARS prequels over INDY 4 makes me shudder to my very pseudo-geek bones." Holy shit! I totally agree. I have all 3 STAR WARS prequels on my DVD shelf and I'm SERIOUSLY considering never buying Indy 4. Why the FUCK do people like Indy 4? Seriously, what is so good about it?
I wouldn't go that far
by Lost Jarv
Jun 9th, 2008
11:41:01 AM
lacklustre and enfeebling as indy was it was NOT worse than AOTC.

Which is Lucas's fucking nadir. Although TPM and Sith aren't that far from it.

The main flaw with Raiders..
by DirkD13"
Jun 9th, 2008
12:23:01 PM
..is that Dr. Jones ultimately does not affect the outcome of the story one iota. Even if he hadn't gone on the adventure the Nazis would have opened the ark on that island and perished. He got himself all beat up for nothing. At least in Doom and Crusade he actually made a difference.
STEVEN WILL NOT DIRECT INDY V.
by hollywoodsummers
Jun 9th, 2008
12:28:03 PM
You can take that to the bank.
Sorry anchorite, you're wrong.
by TheLastCleric
Jun 9th, 2008
01:00:34 PM
250 million plus domestically in three weeks is a disappointment? Bullshit. I don’t know what “word on the street” you’re referring to because the film is doing incredibly well. Even with some stiff competition this weekend, Indy landed in the top 3, already overtaking Sex in the City in terms of weekend gross. That initial 60% drop you allude to is typical for any film, especially one opening on Memorial Day weekend, but regardless Indy continues to perform well and should have no problem crossing 300 million. And while you’re right that this is a popular franchise, Indy never pushed Star Wars numbers, although Indy 4 looks to possibly do just that. Sorry you didn’t like it (I personally loved it, flaws and all) but that fact alone doesn’t make this film a financial failure.
Sorry anchorite, you're wrong again.
by TheLastCleric
Jun 9th, 2008
01:06:51 PM
Munich is a brilliant film and Bloom Box has been universally praised.
anchorite, i also think you're wrong
by Bouncy X
Jun 9th, 2008
01:13:45 PM
ok so i really do but i only posted this because i thought it be funny to have three posts in a row with that mentioned in the title....assuming someone else didnt post as i wrote this.
Everybody here sucks.
by Sailor Rip
Jun 9th, 2008
01:14:09 PM
Mostly. Saw Indy 4, loved it, had a great time. You people are spiteful, never pleased, shit heads.
woohoo....it worked
by Bouncy X
Jun 9th, 2008
01:14:17 PM
Brett Ratner for Indy V
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 9th, 2008
01:15:23 PM
I mean really, how much worse could it get?

Can you imagine the meeting they must have had when someone said, "You know, instead of having the Paramount logo turn into a MOUNTAIN, we could have it turn into a MOLEHILL! You know the old saying, right? Well, we could do a reversal of THAT and make a molehill out of a mountain!!"

Who were the dillweeds sitting around that table who popped boners and said, yeah! yeah! Probably the same group that green-lighted the Tarzan stuff.

Autodidact, your summation is shit
by TheLastCleric
Jun 9th, 2008
01:18:01 PM
That scene is no worse or unrealistic or un-Indy than the scene in Raiders when he and the German soldier laugh at the guy hanging on the window, right before Indy slugs him right out of the truck.
TheLastCleric.
by MONKEY BUTT
Jun 9th, 2008
01:29:19 PM
That scene in Raiders is fantastic and genuinely funny. The aforementioned scene in INDY 4 is TERRIBLE because what the audience is smart enough to already know, is blurted out loud by the character. It's bad writing. Raiders has no such examples.
Ford won't do a Spielberg-less Indy V
by performingmonkey
Jun 9th, 2008
01:30:41 PM
So we might as well kiss any more of Ford as Indiana Jones goodbye forever. It seems to me Spielberg never wanted to make Crystal Skull. Fucking hell, he put it off for 15 years. It's just one of his stopgap movies, like how War Of The Worlds sadly turned out to be. His REAL movies since are Private Ryan, A.I., Munich and the upcoming Lincoln. Hopefully he'll show up for Interstellar too because that has masses of potential.
Connery does not exist in this dojo
by Cobra--Kai
Jun 9th, 2008
02:52:39 PM
Connery makes The Last Crusade. I know the movie has a certain tongue in cheek quality to it, just like The Crystal Skull, but Connery - well, the guy's a star and even when playing a cantankerous old duffer he still shines with that mega-wattage of a true star. As Anchorite said 'vim and vigour'. Anyone else think that one of the most memorable moments of Crystal Skull was when the camera passed by his photo?
Come on Mori, stop cockblocking!
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Jun 9th, 2008
02:54:21 PM
I too wanna know more about the Darabont script. References on this site have been dropped repeatedly, by you! So what is now holding you back?

Remember the review of JJ Abrahms Superman, that ultimately killed that version? Well how about the reverse, a review for a script that never existed that actually gives some praise or hope for what could have been. I have a feeling Mori might actually be a little frightened of the Beard and The Neck (Lucas, my God dude, they have procedures that would remove that disgusting Jabba bulge!). So if Mori is frightened of their retaliation, and what it might mean for his future in the industry, well I can't blame him. But if that really is the case, can't you just "give it" to Vern, and have, uhh, "him" write up a kick ass review that dishes on the real deal! Come on dude, give up the info!

I take it Spielberg's Lindbergh film is dead as dead?
by JackRabbitSlim
Jun 9th, 2008
02:55:17 PM
That entire bit about Lucky Lindy being a raging antisemite put him off?
Calling all Indy fans!
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Jun 9th, 2008
02:59:03 PM
Alright, come on boys (and gals), for those of you who are fans of Indy, the true Indy, the one that was only hinted at in KOTCS, you deserve to know the truth about what Darabont had in store for us.

We need to start pestering Moriarty, we know he read it, and liked it, so why not give us the scoop on what was there, what wasn't. I am going to start trolling around and posting this on other talkbacks to drum up support, now...WHO IS WITH ME?!?!?!

where's your review of Hulk and Panda, Moriarty?
by pipergates
Jun 9th, 2008
03:00:31 PM
cmon, we understand Harry's brain was more melted than before by them, but we need a coherent piece of opinion about those films too! If you're not too busy with your film. Congrats bout that.
Indy IV sucked Crystal Cock!
by Puddleglum
Jun 9th, 2008
03:01:47 PM
Anything DOES NOT go, goddamn it!
"so it could be set into context with some clarity"
by TopHat
Jun 9th, 2008
03:16:38 PM
Translation: "The movie's mediocre. I know this. We all know this. It should never been made. But, shut up, don't talk about it. If we do, we'll realize what hacks Speilberg and Lucas have become ...and don't talk about the prequels yet, either. They'll get better. THEY-HAVE-TO" Moriarty, you evil bastard muahahahaha!
Ok I'm sold.
by Gilkuliehe
Jun 9th, 2008
03:24:11 PM
I'll order the book. On related news, anyone interested in Indiana Jones and summer movies should check Vern's latest. It's really something. (Remove spaces) http://www.geocities.com/outla wvern/ReviewsI.html#crystal_sk ull
So
by kolchak
Jun 9th, 2008
04:46:21 PM
Steven made LC to make up for TOD. Maybe we'll get a better Indy film (complete with Indy shooting someone) to make up for CS?
Vern's Review
by MattmanReturns
Jun 9th, 2008
04:59:56 PM
I completely agree. That made me less ashamed to like Indy 4. Because I genuinely enjoyed it when I watched it. It wasn't until I strolled into a talkback that I was like, "Oh wait, it sucks? Shit." In fact, fuck it, I loved that movie. I can't wait for BluRay.
Re-watched Temple last night and
by Dogmatic
Jun 9th, 2008
05:00:17 PM
what the bloody fuck?! I still LOVE that movie! It has some of the best dark humor in the series, it shows us an Indy who is at a different point in his life...kind of greedy and obsessed with fortunre and glory more than anything...something we still see a little bit in him in Raiders but the whole child slave thing kinda got his blood boiling and sobered him up to reality some. The movie from the time he gets out from under Kali's spell to the end is some of the best action movie action EVER! And Short Round is hilarious! That kid ne
Re-watched Temple last night and
by Dogmatic
Jun 9th, 2008
05:00:26 PM
what the bloody fuck?! I still LOVE that movie! It has some of the best dark humor in the series, it shows us an Indy who is at a different point in his life...kind of greedy and obsessed with fortunre and glory more than anything...something we still see a little bit in him in Raiders but the whole child slave thing kinda got his blood boiling and sobered him up to reality some. The movie from the time he gets out from under Kali's spell to the end is some of the best action movie action EVER! And Short Round is hilarious! That kid never missed a beat the whole movie! Sure, Willie was weaker character than Marion but that was the whole point! TO saddle Indy with someone the total opposite of Marion and see how he handled that...and the result was hilarious! Love that movie as much as the others!
Darabont script
by rwill
Jun 9th, 2008
05:05:12 PM
I've read the Darabont script and I'll say that if you thought Crystal Skull was bad then don't expect much better from Darabont. If you liked Crystal, well then you'd like City of the Gods just fine. Koepp wasn't the only guy who "nuked the fridge"... or had a triple waterfall drop and a Tarzan homage (Darabont, who doesn’t have the Shia character, has Indy pursuing Oxley across vines). This seems to have garnered this reputation as a mythical, genius script that would've had fanboys salivating... sorry, it just isn't very good.
Achorite...
by CondomWrapper
Jun 9th, 2008
05:11:08 PM
I haven't seen Crystal Skull so I can't comment on Ford's performance nor obviously compare it to Connery in Crusade, but I believe Connery was 59 when The Last Crusade was made and Ford is 65 now, so Ford is older than Connery was in Crusade.
Danny
by MattmanReturns
Jun 9th, 2008
05:35:41 PM
Know where I can find that script? That sounds cool.
I doubt it'll bomb
by THE KNIGHT
Jun 9th, 2008
06:35:23 PM
The question is will the happening bomb?
I don't even like Indiana Jones...
by Tourist
Jun 9th, 2008
06:37:00 PM
...and I loved this book. I impulse purchased the recent, kind of, Friday The 13th one too. I don't know what it is, but I'm a geek for behind the scenes and effects books, regardless of how much I enjoy the actualy films themselves.
You people just don't understand, do you?
by Merriman Lyon
Jun 9th, 2008
07:39:46 PM
You complain and bitch about how abysmal Indy 4 was....but what you don't seem to realise is that YOU PAID FOR IT. It's more your movie than it is Lucas'. Why? Because you all knew Crystal Skull was going to be a disaster BUT YOU WENT TO SEE IT ANYWAY.

And don't try to claim that this wasn't a foregone conclusion. Please, don't make me laugh. The process that led to the creation of this abomination has been well-documented both on this site and elsewhere. And even if it wasn't, you all have the example of the Star Wars prequels - which you guys ALSO paid for. And then there were several reviews ON THIS SITE that told you in no uncertain terms that Indy 4 was the movie YOU'D BEEN DREADING. So don't try to claim you DIDN'T KNOW Crystal Skull was going to suck. You guys helped make this turkey happen.

You see, although Lucas keeps tossing off his lazy, amateurish CGI demos, YOU keep paying to see them, no matter how bad they get. And then you come here to bitch and moan about how terrible these movies are - thinking that your hate and anger is going to make a difference. Well sorry to inform you: it doesn't make the slightest difference to Lucas. Okay, maybe AT BEST it gives him ten seconds' worth of annoyance or disappointment to hear that fanboys hate his movies. But then he sees the fifty million dollars you've just handed him over the weekend - and a smile creeps across his face. Because it confirms that he did EVERYTHING right. So he goes and makes another lazy, amateurish piece of horseshit, secure in the knowledge that no matter how much you guys bitch and moan, you'll still keep handing over your money. So why should he stop?

He'll stop only when you sheep stop going to his movies. Money's the only language he understands. So remember that when you're walking out of MUTT WILLIAMS AND THE DUCK-MEN FROM VENUS, furious at having had your childhoods raped - AGAIN. Because you paid for the MUTT WILLIAMS movies too.

Why Raiders is on another cinematic plane . . .
by lavaboat
Jun 9th, 2008
09:08:19 PM
Went back and watched Raiders again. It plays so differently than the three sequels. For starters, it's deeply theatrical. Characters enter scenes differently in Raiders. The presence of the bad guys is felt in scenes there not even in. The cohesion between scenes is amazing. Every scene propels us deeper into impossible danger and risk. Nothing feels strung together. Nothing feels like a fashioned set piece. Jones was a serious guy in Raiders. He was all business. His mission was clear in the first ten minutes. The last two films place too much emphasis on "rescue" and not enough on "recovery" from the get go. And it's funny, but in the long gap between Temple and Crusade I don't ever remember wondering what Indiana's family dynamics were. I just dreamed of pure adventure. And did I mention the Larry Kasdan factor? Maybe Lucas and Spielberg set out to make an homage to the serials of the 40's and 50's but Kasdan gave them so much more.
Indy swung on a vine in Raiders
by Nasty In The Pasty
Jun 9th, 2008
10:30:36 PM
That's why Indy III does so.
"THE LAST CRUSADE" Rules!
by RicardoMontalban
Jun 9th, 2008
11:03:10 PM
I just watched "The Last Crusade" on DVD and it blew "The Crystal Skull" away. It was almost a perfect film... I wish Lucas and Spielberg had watched it before they embarked on "Skull." Hey movie fans, check out this great new movie blog on blogspot. It's called thebitterproducer
lavaboat
by one9deuce
Jun 9th, 2008
11:24:26 PM
Brilliant post. "The last two films place too much emphasis on rescue and not enough on recovery". That is a very succinct way of saying what I have been saying for 19 years with LAST CRUSADE and now with CRYSTAL SKULL. Indiana Jones should be an obsessed treasure hunter, not a reluctant rescuer.
IndustryKiller! - "I just know that somewhere out there someone
by my liege
Jun 10th, 2008
03:28:47 AM
McG

by my liege
Jun 10th, 2008
03:31:15 AM
Oh for fuck's sake... is there a character limit on subject lines? Anyway, I was responding to Industrykiller! saying that someone out there was filming a bad Terminator movie...
Snowcone, the mountain/molehill was a great idea!
by BenBraddock
Jun 10th, 2008
04:09:09 AM
Very funny, self-deprecating humour, and a surprise entry in the traditional Paramount logo-transformation opening - which unfortunately immediately fell flat (in my eyes) because they used a CGI gopher instead of a real one. Are gophers extinct? Extremely hard to capture? Do they cost like $5000000 a pop? Why did Spielberg not do as he promised and go old school there and USE A REAL GOPHER!!! How hard could it have been?!!? Right there, in the first seconds of Crystal Skull, I knew the movie was in trouble. That for me was symbolic of all that was wrong with Skull, a horrible mess of a movie which I refuse to give a pass just cos it's Indy. As you can tell, I'm still quite upset.. but I thought the molehill IDEA was a good one. Gopher rant over.
"MUTT WILLIAMS AND THE DUCK-MEN FROM VENUS"
by DocPazuzu
Jun 10th, 2008
06:04:04 AM
That actually sounds like something I would have to go see.
yup, you're finally onto something Merriman
by just pillow talk
Jun 10th, 2008
07:12:10 AM
That does sound like an excellent entry: "Mutt Williams and the Duck-men from Venus". It'll be like Flash Gordon, but different.

I take back a few of the negative things I've said about you Merriman, excellent suggestion!

Benbraddock
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 10th, 2008
07:51:43 AM
I agree it was a CLEVER idea, but you listed all the execution problems with it yourself. I mean, this was for an INDY movie where Spiel-Cas said they wouldn't rely on CGI, and it's the VERY FIRST THING we see--a CGI gopher right out of Alvin and the Chipmunks. I could have lived with it if they didn't keep bringing the gophers back for more forced laughs, and Tarzan-Mutt, and etc etc etc.
Wow, merriman
by Lost Jarv
Jun 10th, 2008
08:15:30 AM
did it make your little pecker stand up proud to type that?

You fucking smug cunt.

Although I would buy Duck-men for a dollar. You can never go wrong with duck men.

and JPT is a gentleman
by Lost Jarv
Jun 10th, 2008
08:17:11 AM
so may well take back all the horrible things he said to you. I, on the other hand, am not.

Therefore I feel it is absolutely my duty to tell you that the polemic you've just typed does not make you look like some sort of filmic nostradamus, rather it is evidence of your many obvious personality flaws.

WAAAAAAAAAAAH, I WAS RIGHT, WAAAAAAAAH, VALIDATE MEEEEEEEEE!

Jarv, Jarv, Jarv...
by just pillow talk
Jun 10th, 2008
08:21:11 AM
That was sarcasm laid on thick for Merriman.

I can't stand the insufferable little fucker, and all the shit that comes from him.

I know, Pillows
by Lost Jarv
Jun 10th, 2008
08:35:05 AM
but it was such an easy set up I couldn't leave it.
Mori !!!!
by jones1899
Jun 10th, 2008
08:55:03 AM
Darabont script article. Now! Bitch! Thanks, guy.
vfx
by minidv
Jun 10th, 2008
09:22:11 AM
Are there any discussion on the visual effects of the films? I love the matte paintings in all three.
minidv
by Abominable Snowcone
Jun 10th, 2008
09:55:05 AM
I like how you say "all three," ignoring, I assume, the new one.

There are some mattes that look kinda fake though. Most notably, the cliff-waterspray in ToD and the reddish stalagtite scene in ToD where they're about to discover the thugee sacrifice ritual.

Yackbacker
by Shaner Jedi
Jun 10th, 2008
12:05:09 PM
Well, Lycas wouldn't be the only one witha "myth" surrounding him. In this day and age, with all the immediate information and analysis of it, it's hard to cultivate a mythos. There's no time for legends to grow. They're immediately disproven or confirmed.
Yackbacker
by Shaner Jedi
Jun 10th, 2008
12:08:25 PM
"So, yes, Lucas is a significant figure in a certain sense, but he is by no means excellent at what he does." But see, I would argue that Lucas never was much of a director/writer to begin with. He's always been excellent as an behind the scenes "pushing the technology and post-production" figure. That is what he'll be remembered most for....and a few classics and minor ones.
Making of ESB by Rinzler
by Shaner Jedi
Jun 10th, 2008
12:10:00 PM
is also likely on its way. Rinzler said they were trying to make that happen, along with a Jedi one. I can't wait.
minidv
by Shaner Jedi
Jun 10th, 2008
12:12:50 PM
"Are there any discussion on the visual effects of the films? I love the matte paintings in all three." Yes, there is some discussion of them. But honestly, these books are better at covering the development and production phases. There are some amazing Michael Lloyd concept paintings for ROTLA for instance. Cinefex had the best coverage of the vfx work for the films.
Spielberg:
by mraig
Jun 10th, 2008
01:02:46 PM
Your instincts against CGI are correct! Run! Run from it!

Look, I disagree with people who are trying to paint Crystal Skull as an abomination. All any of the Indiana Jones movies were ever meant to be is a ridiculous, escapist romp through foreign locations with crazy stunts and evil villains and plucky female sidekicks. It just happened that the first one somehow hit the mark in just the right way and created cinematic perfection in a way none of the others could ever expect to live up to. Even as a weaker entry, there are plenty of places in Crystal Skull where Spielberg's cinematic eye and ability to frame shots and create moments where a lesser director would just push through are in evidence.

But--not to beat a dead horse--the complaints against CGI are 100% right, and Spielberg knows in his heart of hearts that this is true. The obvious examples (swinging on vines with monkeys) are obvious, but how about the scene with the siafu (actually, aren't those the ones in Africa?) ants? This is a good idea for a scene, and perfectly in keeping with the Indiana Jones MO: since it's an exotic location, pop in something that we're kind of vaguely aware of as being out there somewhere, which would be neat to see as part of a set piece.

But while a giant army of killer ants that can strip the flesh off a goat in a minute--and REALLY DO exist in the real world--is a cool idea, doing the whole thing in CGI just trains us from the first minute to think of it as artificial. Compare it to the snake pit in Raiders. Of course we know that Indy's gonna get out of it, and we can kind of see the reflection on the piece of glass separating Harrison Ford from the cobra, but dammit if we can't tell that we're looking at a giant pit of real live slithering breathing existing-in-the-real-world snakes. And it's scary and claustrophobic and tense. The snakes aren't making a cute snake ladder out of themselves to try and climb up that statue to get Indy; they don't need to--just their presence (and a single shot of one slithering through Marion's shoe) is heavy enough to be threatening.

Imagine if Spielberg and co. had actually tramped out to the jungle somewhere to find some real killer army ants, had had to spend a week setting up the logistics of how to get their shots without getting killed, if all the stagehands had gotten bitten a time or two, if Cate Blanchett had gone on Letterman with an anecdote about how frightening it was to sleep in a tent for ten nights somewhere on location with the ants somewhere out there, if Spielberg had discovered that the ants just wouldn't move according to his original vision, but he found a new shot ten times better in trying to set the original one up. Then the scene would have a real presence and fullness that this one, well-choreographed and well-lit as it is, just doesn't; it's technically perfect, but it's not scary and we never for a minute think it's real. That's the problem with CGI, and it doesn't seem to be going away as CGI gets better and more real-looking; it's just training us to be unimpressed by things that by all rights should be impressive.

A few words to the disappointed Lucas-sheep...
by Merriman Lyon
Jun 10th, 2008
07:27:26 PM
The truth hurts, it feels good to be right, and I told you so.

And Lucas didn't get a penny from me. Your money, on the other hand, made him richer.

I'll be back here to tell you this again when the Mutt Willams franchise gets going.

Sorry, Merriman
by Atticus Finch
Jun 11th, 2008
09:59:21 AM
I wasn't disappointed by Indy, nor were most of the others who saw it. I know it must hurt your cunt, but you were wrong...way wrong!
"whoa"
by AllieJamison
Jun 11th, 2008
12:53:08 PM
...to quote Koepp. Or was it Darabont who put this neat (and dull) expression of excitement into Indy's mouth? Will we be able to find out right now? Is this the goddamn script? His draft? http://tinyurl.com/6mrnas

Can't wait to get my hands on that wonderful making of-book. Another thing from the behind-the-scenes world of Indy that's getting me all weak in the knees just thinking about it ...are the Raiders story development transcripts!!
It's a delight to see Mori doing one of these love letters again.
I don't think so, Atticus...
by Merriman Lyon
Jun 11th, 2008
06:38:38 PM
There have been so many people complaining on these boards about Indy 4 that I literally haven't been able to get a word in edgeways. Everything I've heard about it places it on a par with the Star Wars prequels. And seeing as how you work for either Lucasfilm or Paramount, the opinions of you and your colleagues don't count at all, Atticus McPlant.
Merriman, you said it perfectly, thank you!
by Atticus Finch
Jun 13th, 2008
08:04:15 AM
"There have been so many people complaining on these boards about Indy 4..." Exactly. "These boards" are the only place you'll find people bitching because talkbackers pretty much bitch about everything. But one day you'll leave "these boards" and realize people in the really real world actually liked the film and could care less about posting it on "these boards". And since you're ignorantly posting about a movie you supposedly haven't seen, your opinion doesn't count either, doucebag. Now stop talking before I have to bitch slap you again. Also, here is an assignment for you once you leave "these boards". Go to Rotten Tomatoes and check the critical score for Indy IV, then go to Box Office Mojo and see how Indy is about to overtake Iron Man (which is considered a hit), then ruminate about what makes a movie a hit or a failure. Then shove your head in the toilet and flush.
does the book touch on the fact that indiana jones was quite pos
by jase.prasad
Jun 18th, 2008
09:20:59 AM
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