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AICN-DOWNUNDER: Speed Racer, those Hobbit casting rumours, and smoking in Aus films

coattails sucks by duncanwk	Jun 7th, 2008 01:15:18 PM
dick
Make smoking CGI in movies by XxSoulFlyxX	Jun 7th, 2008 01:18:42 PM
yeah...you heard it here first.
I like how everyone by XxSoulFlyxX	Jun 7th, 2008 01:22:57 PM
and their mother googooed over LOTR and the Matrix, yet a few years later these same people claim they were overrated. ha..ha Every Tarentino movie is overrated...so there
The problem with Ian Holm by Darth Busey	Jun 7th, 2008 01:35:41 PM
is that he's like 80 years old, and there's an excellent chance he'll be dead before/during the period when this film is made. He can't handle any kind of physical requirement, which Bilbo will likely have in this flick.
Cluless in 1816? by Bibliographer	Jun 7th, 2008 01:50:06 PM
Resetting "Clueless" in 1816? C'mon, they didn't even have cellphones then! What are they trying to do, turn it into some kind of Jane Austen story?
He’s too old. Too old to begin the movie. by wintocha67	Jun 7th, 2008 02:04:37 PM
There's just now way around Ian Holm's age. Bilbo was a young man of 50 (in Hobbit years where 33 is equivalent to 18 in modern men) when he set out with the dwarves. Sure they could CGI is all up, but I think this whole movie is doomed unless it's a Incredible Hulk scale rethink. The Hobbit is an entirely different book about a different time in Middle Earth and should be done differently.
Your to old! by duncanwk	Jun 7th, 2008 02:11:35 PM
I saw Ian Holm preform King Lear last winter and he looked pretty good. I woulnd not sell him short.
coattails by duncanwk	Jun 7th, 2008 03:32:34 PM
your tall!!
coattails looks like Florence Henderson by duncanwk	Jun 7th, 2008 03:39:39 PM
well, she does
I liked Speed Racer! There I said it!. . . by Violator90	Jun 7th, 2008 03:49:26 PM
And this fall in the same place as Transformers. And the same excuse! What were you expecting? Shakespeare? It was what it is: a living cartoon movie. Hell, if people love Transformers with big robots and 'splosions, Speed Racer is the there with bright ass colors and fast cars plus 'splosions. It was fun for what it was, so the the hating begin. Now that being said; the Hobbit is on shakey ground. Ian Holm has galvanized his place in movie history(we will always see him as Bilbo no matter what so deal with it.) Would it be nice to see him as Bilbo? Sure. Is it possible? Sure. Can HE pull it off? There's the question. But if they do go with a young actor, he has to look as close to Ian so not to piss of those die-hard LOTR fans. Remakes/rehash of any movie as this point is just getting stale. They will never be as good a the original and the times have changed so much that Hollywood is watching itself beocz Big Brother knows best what we the public like and need. coughbullshitcough.
Casting by hallmitchell	Jun 7th, 2008 04:30:07 PM
I would like to see Ian HOlM back. Yet other alternatives. 1. Michael Palin. 2. Paul Hogan.
Speed >>>>>>>>Transformers by Series7	Jun 7th, 2008 04:43:47 PM
Its really no competition. I think Joel McHale said it best on the Soup Friday. "Heres the time you'll ever hear these words" cut to clip of the MTV movie awards, "And the winner is.....Transformers!" Gotham_night I thought you liked Speed
Sir Ian Holm will be 79 years old when this begins filming by Canada's King	Jun 7th, 2008 05:07:26 PM
Of course he could pull off the ten second scene in Fellowship with him finding the ring, but a two hour movie? Unless they find a way to digitally de-age him (and even that wouldn't do it as the character needs to be spry and energetic) then no way will Holm be able to fill Bilbo's shoes. Unfortunately.
That "low level drug use" suggestion is stupid by cha_im	Jun 7th, 2008 05:46:02 PM
Name one G rated movie that wasn't made before the dangers of smoking was fully realised (let's say the 80s) that has smoking in it. There are none, because filmmakers making G-rated films have been concious of having smoking in their films for years. You really think any film this is going to be affected by this? Of course the AMA is referring to films that already have an M rating or a MA rating. You said it yourself they are concerned with teens smoking, not toddlers.
Ban McDonalds from any movies by Rupee88	Jun 7th, 2008 06:42:51 PM
it probably kills more people than cigs.....the whole issue is retarded.
Hey Latauro, what are your thoughts on this Gone crap? by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Jun 7th, 2008 07:30:49 PM
It's pretty difficult to get any opinion from you guys.
Disregard Latauro, Quint gave me illumination. by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Jun 7th, 2008 07:42:29 PM
I can't believe Harry liked Gone. What a fucking moron.
Do people just not use "you're" anymore.. by couP	Jun 7th, 2008 08:05:21 PM

SPEED RACER kicks so much ass it isn't even funny by Harry Weinstein	Jun 7th, 2008 09:29:14 PM
It's quite rare that so-called respected critics and internet shit talkers both get it so utterly wrong about the same movie. This was a great movie, though it could definitely have used one more pass through editing to tighten it up a hair.
G-rated films with smoking by Nasty In The Pasty	Jun 7th, 2008 09:54:36 PM
Disney just edited out a scene of Goofy smoking a cigarette from their Three Caballeros DVD.
"RESISTANCE, an Australian film about a covert alien invasion." by J-Dizzle	Jun 7th, 2008 09:57:31 PM
RIP OFF!!!!! Someone over at Insomniac Games should sue.
Yeah, go ahead and cast Ian Holm... by morGoth	Jun 7th, 2008 10:02:32 PM
...in the movie called 'Bilbo's Further Adventures in Valinor.' Hey Father Geek, you gunna ban this troller and delete all his post?
Jack Black as Bilbo??? by sprucebruce	Jun 8th, 2008 12:29:26 AM
Just spray my brains across the theatre now.
gotham_night by Series7	Jun 8th, 2008 12:36:53 AM
I am gonna flip my car over you and smack you in the face!!!!!!!!!!!! Ba-Dum-CH!
Ian Holm by ScotiaNova	Jun 8th, 2008 01:23:09 AM
Ian Holm is too old to play the younger active Bilbo. del Toro and Jackson have both said they want to use him in some capacity, so I'm guessing they'll have old Bilbo be the narrator telling young Frodo of his whacky adventures.
This guy is an idiot by AntoniusBloc	Jun 8th, 2008 02:08:13 AM
anyone who thinks Ian Holm at his age can play a younger Bilbo is an idiot...I vote for Tumnus, he's perfect. Anyway, the two movie idea gets better in my mnd as i read back over the LOTR appendix, lot of great stuff and even add to the first film...Gandalf doesn't just have to disappear, and should they be casting the entire White Council? That would be so cool.
I want Ian Holm!!!! by kirttrik	Jun 8th, 2008 02:16:25 AM
Bilbo!
SPEED RACER sucked and was fucking horrible. by Motoko Kusanagi	Jun 8th, 2008 04:04:48 AM
End of story.
Resistance - Is meant to be based on the game ? by barnaby jones	Jun 8th, 2008 04:11:30 AM

They shold not reuse ANY of the original LOTR cast by brobdingnag	Jun 8th, 2008 07:44:31 AM
For many good reasons but mostly for age reasons. There are other good actors capable of playing these parts. The story is the important thing, not fan loyalty to certain actors.
So Lat, is Jackson/Rivers' Dambusters EVER coming out? by half vader	Jun 8th, 2008 10:39:24 AM
How long has that thing been sitting around now? Has production started? Has it finished? Who's in it? What gives? An enquiring mind wants to know.
Responses! by Latauro	Jun 8th, 2008 10:53:52 AM
half vader: I can't say too much about it just yet... (That's supposed to make me sound mysterious. The truth is that I haven't heard anything since Stephen Fry was announced as the writer, so I assume they're waiting on a draft from him. And anything from Stephen Fry is well worth waiting for.) brobdingnag: Nothing to do with fan loyalty. It's the emotional connection that's already been established with the-Bilbo-that-looks-like-Ian- Holm. Even though I'm certain that the McAvoy rumour is bunk -- and I actually really like McAvoy -- it worries me that they may feel the need to "skew younger" (as people I never want to socialise with would put it) just because it's an adventure story and an adventure story needs a young hero. I am somewhat comforted, however, by the fact that both Jackson and Del Toro know better. Motoko: Fuck me dead, I apologise. Had you contacted me sooner to inform me of the end-of-story situation, I wouldn't have wasted my time writing the review. Text me next time.
Poor Speed Racer.... by josh0rama	Jun 8th, 2008 11:36:41 AM
My heart breaks for this movie. It was a great piece of work and it's being slammed repeatedly by the fists and feet of geeks with no clue and no soul. How many of you SPEED HATERS actually saw this flick? Not many I imagine considering the money it made. (I went and saw it three times so I think I contributed like 12% of the total box office revenue) But seriously, get over the fact that you feel you need to hate this movie because it looks so cartoony. It's a frakking cartoon! And it rocks. Don't you remember cartoons? The feeling of waking up earlier on your Saturday then you did during the school week and eating bowl after bowl of cereal while your mind soaked up cartoons like a sponge. Don't you think that being a passionate film/tv/pop-culture geek can be, in a large part, attributed to cartoons. I mean isn't that where the vast majority of us began our explorations of these universes? The Wachowskis set out to make a movie based on a carton that feels like a cartoon and they succeeded. And they pumped it full of exhilarating races, fun, quirky and bad ass anime fight scenes (Pops is awesome!), a talented cast and a story with heart. I pity those to blind to see that. Oh and someone on here said to name one G rated made after the dangers of smoking were fully realized (QUOTE: "let's say the 80's) that had smoking in it. Off the top of my head? Chipmunk Adventure (1987) You can't say there were no G rated movies with smoking in them after we realized smoking was dangerous. Simply because you haven't seen them all. Silly.
josh0rama by Baron Merlot	Jun 8th, 2008 11:48:27 AM
I'm with you 100%! I grew up on Speed Racer and enjoyed the film, it felt and looked right. Those who hated it, just didn't get it and that's fine.
josh0rama by Series7	Jun 8th, 2008 12:49:45 PM
Yeah thats true. Motoko Kusanagi did you see it or not? I can't remember.
SPEED RACER is My Fave Of Summer '08 Thus Far by LaserPants	Jun 8th, 2008 01:23:51 PM
I know it totally bombed, but it was fckin' great. A totally insane pop-art explosion of awesome that managed to perfectly replicate the feel of the show, pay attention to the minuatae, and take it to another level never seen before. BUT, nobody cared. Everyone I know, including myself, saw it and LOVED it. Saw it in IMAX twice. Its not a flawless movie, but it was really fckin' great, and I bought utterly. Can't wait for the dvd/blu ray. Can't wait till geekdom wakes up to what they missed on the big screen. Can't wait for its second life as a cult film. A cult film done on a blockbuster budget.
But Motoko, You Never Saw The Movie! by LaserPants	Jun 8th, 2008 01:26:03 PM
So how can you judge it at all? You didn't like the trailer, and decided that the movie sucked. Period. Your opinion might actually mean something if you actually saw the movie.
Speed Racer by Toonol	Jun 8th, 2008 01:37:06 PM
For me, it's tied with Iron Man as best of the summer. But definitely, Speed Racer is the best movie that's hated the most by people who have never seen it... that ever existed.
Holm is too old! by amalthea00	Jun 8th, 2008 02:11:17 PM
You can add me to the list. I love Ian Holm as much as anyone, but he is just TOO OLD to play Bilbo in the movie. I don't know who can do it (but James McAvoy does appeal to me.) I wouldn't be against using Holm as a narrator, if they can make it work.
by Harry Weinstein	Jun 8th, 2008 03:18:27 PM
"Speed Racer is the best movie that's hated the most by people who have never seen it... that ever existed." That remains FREDDY GOT FINGERED, actually. Even SPEED RACER got more love than Tom Green's deconstruction of gross-out comedy.
Holm is not to old by duncanwk	Jun 8th, 2008 05:56:13 PM
Ian Holm this last winter held a schedule, touring with King Lear, that many of the talk backers on this site could not. I think just because he is old, does not make him to old.
Kudos to Latauro for getting SPEED RACER by Chishu_Ryu	Jun 8th, 2008 08:04:56 PM
It's a modern movie masterpiece, and anyone who says differently is a stupid aging critic with their asses stuck in the 70's or they haven't seen it or they're that guy Capone.
Martin Freeman !!!!!!!!! by Salchucks	Jun 8th, 2008 09:18:56 PM
Martin Freeman would be perfect for Bilbo....
Bilbo should LOOK the same as he did in the flashback, right? by half vader	Jun 8th, 2008 09:57:15 PM
Seeing as he supposedly didn't age a day and all that from the time of The Hobbit to Fellowship? If Holm really is fit enough for touring and all it'd be cool to slap a bit of makeup on him and watch him go. He's 76 at the moment right? Seems pretty fit for his age, and Jackson disguised the fact that Lee was standing on the spot delivering his lines pretty well! Does Bilbo do acrobatics in The Hobbit (haven't read it since I was a kid) or walk a hell of a lot? Anyway here's hoping 'cause he's just so great... Hey look I'm just mad at those fuckin' eagles who could have saved poor Frodo all that hassle and just dropped the damn ring in the fire. What, were they off somewhere getting stoned all that time? Poor little bugger.
Thanks Lat for the reply by half vader	Jun 8th, 2008 10:04:11 PM
I'd love to hear how getting Fry came about in the first place - that'd be a good story too! I'd totally forgotten about him getting it. Christian Rivers must be getting antsy by now. I loved Speed Racer too. Saw a really shitty session at Universal City where the focus in the top of the screen was so bad it was more like watching 3d without the glasses but still enjoyed the hell out of it. All those moronic reviews cited stuff like 'realism' and 'physics' so I knew going in they'd missed the forest for the trees.
Hayden Christianson as Bilbo by palooka_boy	Jun 8th, 2008 11:27:06 PM
he already did such a good job with the younger version of another character. and his stuff in JUMPER is oscar worthy
and actually by palooka_boy	Jun 8th, 2008 11:27:56 PM
Martin Freeman sounds like a great choice to me. for serious.
FOR THE LAST TIME, IAN HOLM IS TOO FUCKING OLD FOR HOBBIT BILBO by ar42	Jun 8th, 2008 11:32:12 PM
Bilbo in the Hobbit is the same age as Frodo in the Lord of the Rings. Elijah Wood was 19. Ian Holm will be nearly 80 when they film. I love the man to death but it's not going to work out.
Herve Villechaize For Bilbo! by LaserPants	Jun 9th, 2008 05:38:09 AM
DE PLANE! DE PLANE! Smiles everybody, smiles.
That Is, The Reanimated Corpse Of Herve Villechaize! by LaserPants	Jun 9th, 2008 05:59:00 AM
ZOMBIE BILBO!!!
Harry Weinstein by Series7	Jun 9th, 2008 07:23:53 AM
Yeah I think Freddy Got Fingered was funny as shit, but I don't think it cost close to 300 million to make like Speed Racer. I also like how on DVD the inlet says the good the bad and the ugly, and the good is the (1) good review that tom green got. I really like how Tom Green went all out with the movie, and recognized that people hated it and pretty much made that the running joke on the dvd stuff. I wish I didn't have such a shitty computer so I could watch his show nightly with out my computer blowing up. Also has anyone played Speed Racer on the Wii since Harry never gave us a review? I've heard good things.
Speed Racer Best Flick so far this summer by Hikaru Ichijo	Jun 9th, 2008 10:30:33 AM
The quality of your life is determined solely by the options you are willing to consider.
Ian Holm SHOULD play Bilbo. by thedarklinglord	Jun 9th, 2008 11:31:04 AM
Sure, he's old. But he was old when he played Bilbo in Fellowship of the Ring. And prior to passing on the ring to Frodo, didn't Gandalf say he appeared to not have aged a day since the adventures in The Hobbit? I thought the idea was that the ring pretty much prevented him from aging much, if at all. In which case, as he looked in the beginning of The Fellowship of the Ring is pretty much how he would look during The Hobbit. Okay, maybe give him a darker wig and spackle some of his wrinkles with makeup to give him a slightly more youthful appearance, but otherwise...it works. For Christ's sake, it's built right into the story to reuse him, rather than casting someone new for the sake of youth. Unless Holm isn't in good health and they're worried he's going to die on them before they finish shooting the movie, there's really no reason not to cast him. And, insane rumor or not, casting Jack Black or the Harry Potter kid...sorry, but that's going to pull me right out of the movie like a sledgehammer to the crotch.
ar42 by duncanwk	Jun 9th, 2008 10:10:00 PM
Why is Ian Holm too old, and do you really "love" him? Sicko.
Bringing the whole thread together... by half vader	Jun 9th, 2008 11:57:15 PM
It's been sorta creeping me out how much Emile Hirsch looks like a young Jack Black at times. I watched Lords of Dogtown yesterday where he has the long hair and it's sorta uncanny! And yes Speed Racer is best flick so far this summer - because it has poo-flinging monkeys. Not even Iron Man had that, except maybe in a metaphorical sense.

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