Sorry, Lionsgate.

Can you tell us if the pages that were leaked a while back are in the final version?

Hope not, since that was the most ham-fisted, left-wing-blog-inspired dialogue imaginable.

I'm amazed that people are trying to defend his inability to speak. Argue on policy all you like but some of the howlers that he has come out with are incredible.

You and me? We would have gone ot prison for that.

Now, would you please pass the JELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!?!?!?!

Not attacking pandas or panda enthusiasts here and I actually feel sorry for them in that they don't seem to like to fuck each other but still....samurai?

so i'll ask you this: why do you want to see this? what makes this project look any more than an extended SNL sketch?

Altho you did not address my larger concern...the notion of panda somehow naturally fitting into the role of samurai? And not say some of the animals that the various Kung Fu styles are modeled after? Jeeze people...you got a whole 'CGI cutsey animal does kung-fu' franchise right there! Tiger, monkey, mantis, etc,...think of the possibitlities!!!

Taking yourself out tonight?

"as the president... i am a follower of politics..."

The economy is Bush's accomplishment. That's the best he could do? Really? I expected perhaps "reforming the Arab world" to be another.

way to defeat the Taliban, W. you got 'em.

and way to stumble onto some real awful shit (genocide) while looking for fake awful shit (WMDs).

Let's not attribute that evasion to Bush's intelligence, however. He just has the shiftiest advisors money can buy. Justice, or America, be damned.

yay. i done good, Pa.

did we wait until americans had a hate on for Arabs and middle easterns to go in and topple a government that benefits us to have under our control? yes.

Not surprisingly, you might disagree, but that's only because it's Bush and not Clinton. It just wouldn't be like you to apply uniform standards regardless of party affiliation.

Cue witticisms about my screen name invalidating my opinions... now.

I don't know...I'm still getting an ANY GIVEN SUNDAY vibe off this one.

Morbid is a crazy Right. or are crazy rights too liberal for him? who can tell.

BSB is shooting down pretty much everything coming from Morbid's corner.

Dickblood and a few others are trying to get off the political bullshit, which i admire.

and kirtrik needs six hundred bucks.

all caught up.

And he's going to watch Zohan, in which a sabra abandons his homeland and seeks out a secular life in America. Just the kind of movie to drive the NeoCon Zionists to drink.

Clinton is the best president and Bush is the worst president ever? Really? Conservatives are uncaring and Liberals are anti-American? Really? Conservatives planned and implemented the murder of 3000 American civilians in New York? Liberals, with their love of the enemy, caused 9-11 by doing nothing and allowing it to happen? Really?

I don't want to come across as preachy (yes, convincing myself here) but in my feeble attempts to lighten these particular TB's up with inanity I've noticed that there is literally no common ground between opposing camps whatsoever. Nothing. Perhaps a gauzy "love of country" but beyond the esoteric, nothing of substance. It is as if there is no solution because you each live in different worlds. In one world, we are liberators...in another world we have become the terrorists. In one world "Free speech zones" are reasonable protections against the 'mob'...in another world they are semantical oxymorons. So which is it? No matter how smart or knowledgeable any of us are...the truth is neither tenet is wholly accurate when given the big picture.

Is there a recession or not? How's the economy doing? Well if you listen to the "wolves guarding the henhouse" they're always going to say "Everything great! Thanks for asking!" and if you ask the "hens in the henhouse under the eye of the wolf" they'll say "We're in a economic crisis not seen since the depression!". Such opposite speculations would have been odd once upon a time before personal and professional interests corrupted fucking everything. Now what surprises me is how nobody talks about this purposeful "unknown" or "no unbiased truth" aspect pervading almost all political discourse today. I believe you when you say "I think I'm right on this" I respect it even, but when you say something like "I'm dead right on this and there is no need for further discussion" then I must question your intent and convictions.

You could indeed be right but you don't need to be immobile and uncompromising to prove it.

Me? I'm just a simple jackass like most everybody else...progressive on certain things...libertarian on social issues (victimless crimes? really?) and conservative on certain issues. I believe too much of any one thing in politics is bad as these are ultimately methods for identifying and solving problems that affect society which, by definition, has far too many variables and factors to ever be solved by one-sided answers. Hell, liberalism and conservatism themselves have not been so militant and narrowly focused as they are today.

Does this mean I'm a democrat or republican? I know you don't care specifically but follow my argument for a moment...

When painting in absolute strokes there is no room for variance and nuance. Do you think even the most die-hard liberals would want to pay to feed and clothe capable strangers for their entire lives? Do you think even the most die-hard conservatives want people who cannot afford health care to suffer? Do you think the "other side" is only evil or at least 'dead wrong' and nothing else? Do you see my point yet? Some of you guys are blindly, if not selectively and actively, ignoring certain realities and some of you are not. There's always a little snap of "As a conservative I can tell you why I hate Bush, etc, etc" and "As a tree-hugging lib, I can tell you why I don't like Clinton" which is wonderful that people aren't associating individuals with party or country. But still...republican or democrat eh? Which ones? I don't know. But in my pretentious quest to try and remain neutral on a film-geek's website, I've started to see most of these posts as bumper-sticker politics. The kind where I say something and you read it...no discussion necessary.

Now...would you please PASS the JELLY?!?!?!!!?!?!

Republicans for Voldemort.

so, make your claim:

did you like Indy4?

it was pretty awesome.

What's really funny is how the lessons we learn from books like Harry Potter, or even Animal Farm or 1984, completely go over the heads of so many Bush supporters. Funny and sad at the same time.

God forbid anyone should send Mr 71%. After all there was ansolutely no comedy or satire ever made about the far more disasterous Blow Job from Monica.

My all-time favorite Bush quote.

http://www.youtube.com/watc h?v=ntwdH3Q54ZY

As for the actual film I have no idea whether Stone has the chops to pull off a satire/tragedy but he's not exactly short of material to work with is he ?

BTW, Mori, when is my black box getting activated?

... after finding out that his wet dream fantasy of an "Israeli commando having sex with lots of women and killing Palestinians in NYC" turns out to be a gay Israeli commando who leaves his homeland defenseless against Hezbollah, has sex with lots of guys and ends up making peace and befriending Arabs in NYC.

I'm sure he's still on the phone with Fandango trying to get a refund on his ticket.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/0 6/news/economy/jobs_may/index. htm?cnn=yes

Unemployment soars to 5.5%

Increase in the jobless rate is the biggest since 1986 as payrolls decline for the fifth straight month.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The unemployment rate took its biggest jump in more than two decades in May as employers once again cut jobs from U.S. payrolls, according to a government report Friday, showing a job market weaker than expected.

The unemployment rate soared to 5.5% from only 5% in April. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had only forecast the closely watched rate would rise to 5.1% in the month.

The Labor Department also reported that there was a net loss of 49,000 jobs in May, compared to a revised loss of 28,000 jobs in April. That was actually a touch better than economists' forecast of a loss of 60,000 jobs, but it marked the fifth straight month that the economy has lost jobs, raising fears that the nation has fallen into a recession.

... but don't share that with Morbid. He prefers the comfort of his fantasy world, where the economy is doing great, and Israeli commandos catch bullets with their teeth.

And shouldn't Obama take Hillary as his running mate- I read somewhere that a shit load of her support would rather vote McCain than for Obama.

So was Churchill a socialilst or a communist ?

Or could it perhaps be that lavbelling anyone, who doesn't favour the wholesale dismantling of all social programs, public benefits or welfare, as a "communist" or a "socialist" is laughably oversimplistic ?

BTW the speech you quote was Churchills first election broadcast from the 1945 election where he was heavily defeated. That very speech is remembered as backfiring spectacularly on him with the electorate and helped cause the defeat because Attlee also served in Churchills cabinet so comparing him and his ideas to the "Gestapo" was a calamitous error and lapse of judgement even back then.

Here's an AP story that hints at it, showing clearly the success of the Bush Doctrine to battle terrorism and keep us safe:

For that matter was Thatcher a communist or a socialist ?

Your potted history fails to adress both these figures acceptance of the NHS as an integral part of Britain's welfare system.

Perhaps you could inform us whether Obama is a socialist or communist for wanting to introduce some form of universal healthcare in America ? McCain has also said he wants to at least reform healthcare so does that indicate communist or socialist leanings ?

America does not have and will probably never have full employment. It has a sizeable number of unemployed and a sizeable underclass. Some of this is mitigated somewhat by certain Government programs of welfare. Those who think that system should remain in place are not communists or socialists despite crudely throwing labels at them to that effective. Following this so far ? As, Dude, it doesn't require a great deal of smartness.

Now tell me why the Taxpayer should spend a great deal more money on corporate welfare ? Billions in Tax breaks for those who hardly need it like the Gaint Oil conglomerates certainly doesn't sound too "smart" these days does it ? Enron, WorldCom, ringing any bells ? Couple that with the fact that Welfare is a laughably small fraction of what the Taxpayer has to fork out for Defense and we find all this is mere misdirection. The ancient and much used Political trick of finding convenient scapegoats to heap the problems of the world on and blame for any percieved fault in society.

Being poor is not a crime it's an unfortunate reality for millions. And at a time when house foreclosures and unemployment are ramping up sharply in an Economy turning to shit I don't think you will find too many people or indeed Presidential Candidates willing to lay all the blame for the manifest current problems at the feet of the welfare system and those who have to rely on it.

After all Bush is said to have a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office. Just a pity that he is now Mr 71% so his rather feeble attempt to place himself in the same company of Mr Churchill is a touch ironic.

I DO NOT think anyone who defends welfare or universal health care is a Communist. I think to make that leap is frankly laughable. As laughable as anyone who says "Socialism or Communism because to me they are the same thing".

So by YOUR OWN (admittedly idealogically warped) Logic, "Was Churchill a communist or a socialist ? He was conservative. As a politician I am sure he was a socialist in certain aspects in backing government programs. “For that matter was Thatcher a communist or a socialist ?” As a politician I am sure she was a socialist in certain aspects in backing government programs." "Socialism or Communism because to me they are the same thing."

So you actually think Churchill and Thatcher and McCain and Obama are communists or have Communist tendancies. Riiiiiiiiiiight. Because according to you Communism and Socialism are the same thing.

Since you like questions so much here is another.

Would you have hauled Churchill and Thatcher and Obama and McCain before McCarthy's HUAC hearings for being communists and "anti-American" ?

Why ? Did someone force you to quote that spurious comparison Churchill later regretted ? Or were you hoping that no-one would know the Histroy behind that particular speech ?

It's not me who's tried (and failed) to confalate universal health care & welfare with Socialism and BY YOUR OWN WORDS Communism. It was YOU who did that.

Now if you want to backtrack and admit that this was a gross oversimplification of the subject and that throwing Communist/Socialist labels at anyone, who defends welfare or a Universal Health system, was a bit of a foolish error like YOUR OWN WORDS admit here -"Can the person agree with one thing and at the same time disagree on another without lumping them into one categorization whole and complete"- then fine, I'm glad you finally agree.

But since I ALREADY said as much in my FIRST post why did it take you so long to understand it ?

You yourself have said Charchill, Thatcher, Obama & McCain have communist/socialist leanings. So bringing up McCarthy is stupid, why ? McCarthy was famous for finding excuses to label everyone in sight as Communists and you have been doing the same.

And what exactly ARE you trying to ask ? At least have a question before you whine about it. Besides I've already said THREE times what my position and belief is on Universal Health Care & Welfare. Are you REALLY so dense that I need to restate it a FOURTH time ????

Very well, expressing support for welfare or Universall Health care is NOT proof of Communism. Whereas camparing those who do to Communists and Socialists is facile propaganda.

Tell you what why don't you take a leaf out of McCarthy's book and actually ask the Question I'm sure you are dying to ask. I know you probably know it off by heart anyway but here is how it begins....

ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF...

Go on. Ask me. I'll be more than happy to answer it. ;D