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Updated! That Crazy TERMINATOR 4 Rumor? Turns Out It Might Be A Crazy Giant Spoiler...

Oooookay.... by BoggyCreekBeast	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:17:15 PM
Hope this isn't even close to the story, because this will not only drop off my Theater list but right off the DVD list as well!
Uh... by Johnny Smith	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:17:35 PM
...kay. I don't know what I think about this...except: I would not have done it that way.
But in T3 by erichaislar	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:17:49 PM
Arnold Kills him in the future? Thats what he says? This is retarded.
Sounds like the type of crap I'd expect by BitterMan23	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:18:44 PM
from a PG-13 McG terminator movie.
wow. by tango fett	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:19:06 PM
.
"I killed you." by TheDarkShape	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:19:25 PM
Yeah, the Arnold Terminator says he killed John... ...in 2032. And Terminator Salvation takes place in 2018. So something doesn't add up. Also, it's Silberman, not Silverman. I am a geek.
sounds awful by mcdowell_32000	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:19:28 PM
why can't they make a "black hole" remake....
Hmmm... by Animus	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:20:37 PM
I like it, I hope it's true.
Of all the lowdown crap by mukhtabi	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:20:49 PM
I'm not watching this. I'm not going to read any more about this. This is the living end. Make something original, tinseltown or lose my valuable dollars.
totally agree about this re-imagination shti by hegele	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:21:51 PM
and this sounds fucking dull.
Terminator 4: Face-Off 2 by therobcat	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:23:12 PM
Very strange...
The way to do it... by Johnny Smith	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:24:03 PM
...is do an alternate reality thing that ignores T3, with John finally overthrowing the machines and becoming a tyrannical, Kurtz-like dictator and a bunch of humans have to take him out, Caesar-style. That would be awesome.
HAHAHAHAH fanfuckingtastic by BMacSmith	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:24:15 PM
i agree. this geek pandering shit needs to end. new ideas please.
i agree. this geek pandering shit needs to end. new ideas please by BMacSmith	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:24:45 PM

I hope he fights Robocop at some point by therobcat	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:24:46 PM
Man trapped in a machine vs man trapped in a machine trapped in a man... huh
Johnny Smith by erichaislar	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:26:38 PM
Thats what the tv show is, it ignores t3 and does it's own thing.
any Buffy fans on here right now? by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:30:13 PM
does this sound like the BuffyBot to you, too?
erichaislar by Johnny Smith	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:31:35 PM
I knew the TV show ignores T3 for its own reasons, but I don't think Thomas Dekker's murder is being plotted by his inner circle, unless Sarah Connor kills John, which would make no sense.
Super Sweet 16... by therobcat	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:32:22 PM
I think it would be awesome if having your skin ripped off and putting it on a robot body became trendy. That might make the show interesting. Mommy, I wanna be a suburban war droid!!! And a Pony! And Motley Crue to play for an hour!
The biggest thing to worry about for McG and his pals by Silverglade	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:35:06 PM
No to fuck up the timeline if at all possible. Like something with John that would conflict his growing up in chronology of events. I will see T4 regardless because I want to see the war and Bale in that role.
DOOM COCK by therobcat	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:35:37 PM
..sorry... Preacher flashback...
Actually... by TylerDurden3395	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:37:23 PM
If done right, it may not be so bad. I mean the whole point of T2 was that a Terminator could learn to love and protect, so the idea of a Terminator leading the resistance sounds like the next logical step. However, it would have to be handled EXTREMELY well and McG still doesn't seem like a great choice so I'll remain very very cautious.
BS Sarah Connor Lives is the ending by spidermanfreak20	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:37:50 PM
Sarah Connor comes to the future she isn't dead we never saw her body. Just a cache of weapons. Sarah comes back to help John fight the war.
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest by Charlie Murphy	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:38:22 PM
this is the kind of thing that probably sounds cool when two geeks are shooting the shit about ideas, but i don't see how it could possible work out. not in any satisfying way, anyway... i mean, come on, the whole "I become what I hate most" story device has been done to death. oh wait... i just re-read it... so John Connor is actually dead, it's just his skin??? i thought it was john's mind uploaded into a cyborg... okay, the skin idea is even dumber than i initially thought... just to keep christian bale around for three movies? FUCK
Movie trailer by fatnomore11	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:39:45 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uuw fHvNyedw
Sounds like Star Wars by Darth Dean	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:41:03 PM
book called Spectre of the Past.
HAHAHA by spectrebeeyatch	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:41:46 PM
Really? Like really? No way that is the dumbest thing I have read in a long fucking time. I started laughing out loud. First off how is this going to be pg-13 if they are pulling Face/Off type of shit and secondly... WTF! Fans will hate this and regular movie fans will probably just be confused or turned off by this. STUPID! Drop this idea before it starts! Stop production now this is going to be a failure! T3 will be remembered as a classic if you do this lol.
I just got off the phone with McG.. by Fortunesfool	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:43:06 PM
and he doesn't give a fuck either.
Just fuck off right now, movie suits. by Gabba-UK	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:43:33 PM
Officially now have zero interest in this. In fact I've had it for fucking remakes for a very long time. Cant remember the last time I paid to see a remake and even if was free I'd have to think what else I could do instead. No original thought in LA-LA land now. Moriarty's right. What the hell are the going to do in 20 years time? Pushing Up Daisies: The Movie!!?? Fuck that!
Mori - Unfortunately the remaking won't end by geraldbeans	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:47:46 PM
They'll just keep remaking the same movies in 15 year cycles. The only way this will not happen is if 14 year olds stop going to see the terrible films Hollywood keeps putting out. And since 14 year olds are relatively new to movies and simply don't know (or don't care) that if they didn't go to these movies that Hollywood would be forced to actually put more effort into making quality and possibly even ORIGINAL films, it's way easier for the studios to do it this way. Throw something out there that people know, market it to death, teenagers show -- But you guys aren't helping things with your promotion of films like Tranformers, Speed Racer, Hulk (they just goddamned MADE this movie 5 years ago!), and yes, even Iron Man. Those are all things that ALREADY EXIST in other mediums and do not need to be made into movies. If you want to make a difference, heavily promote movies like Wanted (I think that's original, right?), The Fall, The Happening (yes, I know it's M. Night but it's original), ANYTHING that does not exist in another medium. We need to get the 14 year olds to not show up to terrible films. That's the key. They have no idea what a good movie is because they keep supporting shitty movies.
Mori - Unfortunately the remaking won't end by geraldbeans	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:47:48 PM
They'll just keep remaking the same movies in 15 year cycles. The only way this will not happen is if 14 year olds stop going to see the terrible films Hollywood keeps putting out. And since 14 year olds are relatively new to movies and simply don't know (or don't care) that if they didn't go to these movies that Hollywood would be forced to actually put more effort into making quality and possibly even ORIGINAL films, it's way easier for the studios to do it this way. Throw something out there that people know, market it to death, teenagers show -- But you guys aren't helping things with your promotion of films like Tranformers, Speed Racer, Hulk (they just goddamned MADE this movie 5 years ago!), and yes, even Iron Man. Those are all things that ALREADY EXIST in other mediums and do not need to be made into movies. If you want to make a difference, heavily promote movies like Wanted (I think that's original, right?), The Fall, The Happening (yes, I know it's M. Night but it's original), ANYTHING that does not exist in another medium. We need to get the 14 year olds to not show up to terrible films. That's the key. They have no idea what a good movie is because they keep supporting shitty movies.
Here's A Better Premise by Media Messiah	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:48:23 PM
The Resistance beats Skynet but John Conner is kidnapped by the last remaining vestiges of Skynet who model a Terminator after him. That Terminator, is sent in to the human citadel to destroy the unsuspecting resistance fighters from within, like a Trojan Horse. But here is the twist, Arnold Schwarzeneggar is the future John Conner. A younger version of Conner, played by Christian Bale learns of the plan from a time traveling survivor who dies after informing him of the scheme. Bale then sends a time traveller of his own to the future to protect his older self...played by Arnold. We later learn that the surviving aspect of Skynet begins to create multiple models of the Connor/Arnold Terminator, sending them to earlier times in history to try and wipe-out John Connor because the machine thinks like the real John Connor and knows his military strategies...making him the ultimate foil for the real John Connor's past selves as well as for the resistance movement as a whole. Well, McG, if you want to buy the story from me...I'm open to offers.
I have a better one. by Knuckleduster	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:48:49 PM
We find out that the man called Kyle Reese is actually... wait for it... John Connor! He went back in time under the Reese alias to fuck his mother and thus create himself, the saviour of mankind! John Connor is his own father! I'm a goddamn genius.
Implausible Switcheroo by lonestaricon	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:52:09 PM
The terminator John Conner would still be a terminator and wouldn't fool anyone who personally interacted with the robot.
Terminator 4: Hellraiser! by StovetopStuffin'	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:54:07 PM
actually would have been a cool idea if it didn't fly in the fucking face of already established storylines!!!!
T4 = WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S 3 by tylerzero	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:54:13 PM

I WAS THE GUY WHO WROTE TERMINATOR 4 by wash	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:55:57 PM
But I'm not as awesome as Gary Scott Thompson.
Why fuck it up? by brock landers baby	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:56:19 PM

When you can fuck it up BIG TIME!! by brock landers baby	Jun 2nd, 2008 04:56:49 PM

No way in hell this is real by DeCypher44	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:00:04 PM
Let me guess, Grando Calrissian has a cameo, too - right?
I cannot come up with the proper words... by jimmy rabbitte	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:02:48 PM
...to describe how utterly GAY the film will be if that is the actual ending...
all that build up toward the "rumor" by shitjet	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:03:50 PM
I don't see why the filmmakers would neet to enrol in the WPP
in 20 years? by hopewell1	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:04:17 PM
Will Vin Diesel return as an aging agent in XXX ala Harrison Ford? Will we see remakes of Pulp Fiction and the Matrix? It's kind of sad to think of what will become a classic out of today's new films.
no spoiler tag? by BrightEyes	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:07:14 PM
Thats a huge goddamn spoiler if its true
Music Industry by Berserkr	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:08:07 PM
WHats wrong with it exactly?:P
Madness, I tell you. Madness. by jae683	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:12:51 PM
And Hollywood sinks even lower into the primordial soup. Ah well.
So what?? by slone13	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:13:14 PM
I'm still there opening weekend. It certainly doesn't effect the quality of Terminator 1 or 2 in the slightest. IMPORTANT RELATED QUESTION: did people bitch decades ago when in the 3rd Pink Panther sequel Clouseau become a complete parody of who he was in the original and Shot in the Dark? When did the incessant bitching of fanboys actually originate?? It's certainly reached it's zenith in the last couple years.
Does McG even know the responsibility he carries? by Knuckleduster	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:14:14 PM
Remember the first time you watched Terminator? Or Terminator 2? Remember the mythology built up around John Connor and what he will one day become? The Leader of Men. The grown-up John Connor, to me, is a fucking legend. Someone to be in awe of. None of us have ever really seen or experienced the future Connor. So our expectations are really fuckin high. Insanely high. It might just be time McG realized this. Step up, man. Goddamnit.
AWESOME idea!!!! by Kid Idioteque	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:22:47 PM
Err, I mean AWFUL!!!
Hmmm, doesn't that follow T3's story? by photoboy	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:23:29 PM
In T3 Connor was killed in the future, so perhaps they're going to follow through on that? Although IIRC the T850 said he was the one who killed John, which means they'd need Arnie... Of course I think it might be more interesting if Connor himself is converted into a Terminator, requiring some Robocop-esque soul searching of who and what he is. And I think you could come up with quite a cool scenario where Connor/Terminator himself is somehow responsible for inadvertently creating Skynet all along, and therefore the only option is for young John Connor to commit suicide to prevent Skynet ever existing.
Finally...An Explanation For Reese Being John Connor's Father!!! by Media Messiah	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:23:34 PM
In a side story, one designed to answer questions as to why the resistance can't wipe-out Skynet before it is/was created. John Conner as played by Bale, goes to the past to handle the destruction of the first version of Skynet as it is being constructed. Arriving in the past, he interrupts the first time travel experiment...but here's the twist, Reese, is the inventor of the project. But before he gets a chance to kill him, he learns that his Mom Sarah Connor has been set-up on a blind date with Reese, only then does he realize, this is to be his father. When a Terminator shows up to stop John Conner from interfering with the creation of Skynet, he is forced to grab Reese and pull him into the future...creating an alternate reality. Reese, having disappeared from the past, has only delayed Skynet's creation. In this future present, John Connor begins to die as his parents never got together in the past. He is fully aware that his future will become unglued and cease to exist unless he sends Reese back in time to fulfill his role in becoming his father. Blanking his memory, he implants Reese with a false memory of a life spent in the future as a resistence fighter, absent his, Reese's knowledge of the past role in creating Skynet, and his life therein. This will serve to explain the paradox of Reese being John Conner's father, a plot point (plot hole) question mark, that has long dogged The Terminator films and left fans puzzled, including me, as well as critics of the franchise. Well, I just solved it. Again...McG, et al, if you want to buy my story outline from me...I'm open to selling it...along with various other interesting ideas!!!
So..... by evil master foo	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:26:04 PM
Would that be like wearing another man's sack?
Huh? This makes very little sense! And let me guess by Proman1984	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:27:13 PM
Marcus is actually John Connor from the past?
At the end, Alien & Predator form a beast with two backs... by Heckles	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:30:11 PM
...and after the credits roll, a studio exec is in the theater lobby who summarily kicks everyone in the nuts.
A Million Obese Middle Aged Virgins Just Farted With Rage by LaserPants	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:32:23 PM
The world just got that much smellier.
Wow by rogueleader66	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:32:41 PM
I usually try not to be a cynic and judge movies before they come out, but damn that sounds absolutely god awful, I hope it's just a rumor and has no truth to it whatsoever.
I call BS on this one... by Nemesis Enforcer	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:33:17 PM
And i agree, stop with the fucking remakes.
SHITTY! by Judge Briggs	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:35:24 PM
Wow- that would be sooooooooooooo fucking craptacular!
Brunomac by slone13	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:43:37 PM
Nope. People just enjoyed stuff more back in the day and didn't constantly need to find something to endlessly bitch about. Just did a cursory internet search, too. Seems the critics thought some of the later Pink Panther sequels were some of the funnier entries in the series. Illumination, my ass.
Terminator: Face-off! by kirttrik	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:45:17 PM
wtf.
Ohh, I know what they should do... by jsm1978	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:48:14 PM
They should Lucasify the whole thing, go back and replace that other guy who played John Connor in the brief future glimpses with Bale, and rerelease them as megadeluxe super special editions... and since his wife is getting recast too, they might as well do the same with the entire movie of T3... rolls eyes
THANK YOU Mori by IndustryKiller!	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:53:43 PM
THAT editorial is what we need more of on this site and less wholesale accepting of these fucking assholes insisting on destroying everything we love about genre filmmaking. Give that memo to Harry.
Show Skynet getting smashed in machine vs. human war... by KurtLockwood	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:54:49 PM
... or fuck off. Also bring back Sarah Connor, Reese, Ahnold, and Eddie Furlong or also fuck off.
I've been a Government Employee for over 30 years... by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:58:05 PM
......and that is STILL stupider than any idea I ever heard while on the job.
HA, HA, HA, HA. No Really. HA! by CHEWBLACCA	Jun 2nd, 2008 05:59:23 PM
It's Ballsy. I'll Give Them That.
slone13 by aestheticity	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:02:41 PM
is here doing exactly what hes saying noone did. 30 years later and hes complaining about pink panther sequels. slone, people always thought X movie/sequel sucked. the internet just gave an ever-more sedentary, ever more leisurely western audience a voice when their ass is in front of a computer like nearly everyone is these days. aicn's been on the net since '96, 12 years ago, and it started OFF based on that exact premise. go back and look.
geraldbeans! by raw_bean	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:04:29 PM
'Wanted' is an adaptation of a comic book mini-series. It was optioned before it had even all been published.
Yup, this would pretty much end the franchise by krack	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:05:20 PM
They should call this "Terminator: Batman and Robin"
by DigitalBeachWar	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:06:43 PM
ugh... that is dumb.. why not just make a connor robot?
John Connor should wrassle polar bears ... by krack	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:06:53 PM
and fight a giant spider in the third act. It would be better than making him a fucking terminator.
by QuietEnglishGent	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:06:58 PM
Waaaay too out there to be true, even if it is consistent with the off-screen future events of T3 - which says it all really....
McG = McFUCKED by parallax_r	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:10:35 PM
I seriously hope this is not what they are intending to do with this series. This is a bad idea that goes way beyond anything I could have imagined happening in this series. If Cameron still has his producer's credit on this film, I fully hopes he intends to see that this is not how this classic series gets treated. HARRY - you have somewhat regular contact with Mr. Cameron - can you ask him about this!? Plead that he not allow his legacy to get McHUMPED like this!?
Chris Bale can make reading the phone book fucking rock! by Frat Boy	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:11:04 PM

Screamers by ABVH	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:11:06 PM
Screamers
Another new name: by closeencounter	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:11:30 PM

Terminator ISN'T a franchise by henrydalton	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:11:31 PM
It's a great film and a great sequel and then a bunch of shit barrel scraping that isn't by the original creator and has nothing to do with anything.
TERMINATOR: REANIMATOR 4!!! by closeencounter	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:12:16 PM
Gehd to da CHOPPA!!!!!!
Remake/Reboot by madamimadam	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:14:44 PM
Isn't Moriarity attached to a Race With The Devil remake?
Historical Precident - El Cid by djmusicK	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:15:26 PM
This sounds like a sci fi version of El Cid. El Cid (Heston in the film)died before a huge assault on the Moors, so his body was propped up on his horse to inspire the Spanish forces and his followers in their battle (only a few knew he had died). So this idea has a real world and cinematic precident and perhaps not so bat-shit crazy.
raw bean by geraldbeans	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:18:21 PM
that's how bad it's gotten with studios. that people pitching original movie ideas have to actually go create a graphic novel, write a quick book, or a comic, in order to get it considered. It's like these suits won't even listen to you unless your idea is based off of something that already exists. Even if not a single soul on the planet has heard of said material.
That is total crap by Anakin Whoopass	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:20:45 PM
Kill the guy the entire film series is about saving before he wins the war that he was being saved to win. On the other hand maybe this is a plan to end the series by making it completely unwatchable.
If this is true then Bale loses respect from me. by Damien Chowder	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:23:08 PM
His only excuse I would accept would be that he has never seen the Terminator films. That rumour is the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
This town needs an enema by Gozu	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:26:20 PM
WOOT!
Can global warming please speed up? by UMAGA	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:27:55 PM
Terminator + T2 are the reason I follow the movie business. Turning John Connor into a Terminator and basically a political puppet is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Unreal.
Can't they just go back and stop John from being killed? by Darth Bauer	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:27:59 PM
Duh.
This is more strange then Arnie switching roles. by UMAGA	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:28:23 PM
There's more then one Model 101.
Goodness by dejectedgeek	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:28:59 PM
I never thought science fiction could get any more ridiculous than when I saw Dune...but I was heavily mistaken.
I'm going to lead the resistance against Hollywood by Prossor	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:30:55 PM
it's time to get a regime change over there. it's a scorched black land in there overrun by evil machines known (studios and execs) and writers and directors quivering in holes and caves!! bring lots of Ak-47's and rounds, and body armor as well. Hopefully after this is all over we'll be back to a 70s style era where studios will take gambles and new filmmakers bringing their ideas instead of the same cookie-cutter junk that's been happening.
A cyborg named Marcus? What are you trying to do, scare me? by Jeff_Fries	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:31:02 PM

Drew, you ignorant slut... by epitone	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:32:56 PM
...None of the executives in charge of making today's blockbuster movies will still be in the business in 20 years. They'll be too busy lounging around in their underwear somewhere in Coldwater Canyon, collecting their meaningless board member salaries and paying top dollar for Cleveland steamers.
This sounds too dark and ballsy for a franchise-ified.... by FlickaPoo	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:36:02 PM
...summer corporate blockbuster. I'm not saying I love it or anything, but this does have balls. It reminds me a bit of the Dune sequels with Ducan showing up again and again as a clone, losing a little more of himself with every incarnation....
How About Terminator: Fan Sodomization by riddleman1674	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:36:42 PM
And the new SHIT-1000 model oozing from the assholes of these moronic Research Anaylsts & Marketing pricks to travel back through time to 1984 to systematically take out an up and coming directing bad ass named J. Cameron then and terminate what could have been a great franchise. There's a good one you douchebags, where's my paycheck?
matrix by louisq	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:37:17 PM
why doesn't someone go ahead and make the connection between the terminator franchise and the matrix franchise?
aestheticity and brunomac by slone13	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:37:38 PM
Aestheticity, you are mistaken. I consider the 5 Pink Panther movies made while Sellers was alive to be some of the best comedies every put to celluloid. I celebrate them all. Same with the Indiana Jones movies. And the Terminator movies. (Yup, even 3). I found Clouseau's odd character "development" from bumbling detective to slapstick cartoon character over the course of the 15 years those movies were made to be quite enjoyable myself. Brunomac, as for the reviews I found, Google finds everything, sir. I guess we differ on "true fans" and what they love to do. I choose not to waste any of my energy or time truly hating anything. Certainly in this day and age, when there are far more important things to actually be concerned with (like $5 gallons of gas) than a RUMOR about whether or not John Connor ends up becoming a Terminator. (Something I think sounds oddly intriguing now, the more I keep thinking about it...) NOTE: I don't consider any of the Panther films that came along after Seller's death (Trail, Curse, Son) or the "remakes" with Martin to be worth any real discussion. Same goes for the one where Alan Arkin played Clouseau.
The music was destroyed by file sharing by skiff	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:38:59 PM
and yes it is destroyed. Music is worth nothing. If you can't make a living off of it why bother. Labels used to spend a fortune on fringe acts only one in ten ever made any money but that one could be the next zeppelin or van halen. I ran into someone the otherday saying the labels were making more now than they ever did. Looser . Anyway I see the studios going the same way fast I have friend who used togo see movies every week now all they do is file share and go to movies 3 or 4 times a year never giving a dam what they are doing.
Excited by enderandrew	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:40:09 PM
Someone is excited for this project? I bet money that right now Christian Bale is having serious second thoughts about this franchise.
Brunomac by slone13	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:40:19 PM
I will say I certainly admire your passion.
Let it go. by spooky2k	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:43:00 PM
Whilst I love the terminator movies as much as the next guy, I'm not about to throw my toys out of the pram over a story direction I don't like. There will be plenty of people who enjoy this film with this ending and will think it is brilliant. Hollywood need to stop remakes, but taking franchises in never before heard of or uncomfortable directions is a good thing. Reading it on a page is one thing, but seeing it happen is another. Hell, I bet most people here would have hated Lost had they read the script. Imagine reading Iron Man and never seeing what it became with the little bits of improv and CGI? Being a visual medium greatly enhances certain things. Hell, for all we know, it could turn out to be the coolest thing in the terminator franchise since T2!
blah by slkboxrman	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:43:17 PM
i never believe reports like this
Remember the rumors about Bale being a Terminator? by UMAGA	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:44:18 PM
I guess he's both. OMG this is fucking stupid I want to kill someone.
I still say reboot the PLANET OF THE APES sequels by Drath	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:50:15 PM
Only this time ignore everything that happened after the original movie. Restart it many years after Taylor saw the Statue of Liberty, he's settled into a home built on the other side of the Forbidden Zone and fathered children with Nora, and they have formed a new tribe of smart humans, thus realizing the very thing that Dr. Zaius feared. Now the Apes have called in their big guns, summoning the armies of a larger Ape city, which would resemble both the city from the Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon and the more primal yet large city of the 2001 remake. General Urses is a real monster, a Gengis Kahn of apes, and he's aiming to kill this famed "speaking man" and his tribe of advanced humans--the perfect adversary for the Gorilla nation that has been itching to fight SOMEBODY. Meanwhile during all this hubbub, another astronaut lands, the rescue party sent after Taylor. He is horrified not just by the Planet of the Apes, but also by Taylor, who has gone all Heart of Darkness on us and has slowly been driven to the conclusion that, right or wrong, he wants him and his children to survive and if that means killing apes then so be it (in a way mirroring Heston's embrace of the NRA). Meanwhile the pacifists Zira and Cornelius and their young children are caught in the middle, the tolerant apes who are loathed by their own yet not exactly trusted by the humans. Everything converges on the lost human city in the Forbidden Zone, where the very weapons that destroyed the human world could be used in the new war brewing between Taylor's Children and the Gorillas. Forget fucking time travel shit or killing everyone off after one damn movie or sucky Ape Lincoln cliffhangers--this'd be the Lord of the Rings high fantasy meets Sci-Fi but continuing with the morality play that the original presented. Get the guys who jacked up Battlestar Galactica to write it and you'd have a winner! I could even see people like Galactica's Mary McDonnell as Zira and Anthony Hopkins or Max Von Sydow to play Dr. Zaius, and maybe someone like James Earl Jones as Urses and Bruce Greenwood as Taylor and people like Ryan Gosling and James McAvoy as Taylor's sons, and get Michael Giacchino to write the music. I'm telling you it could be great!!!!! Okay, so that and wishing hard enough will give me powers like the Flash, right? Yeah, whatever.
That's gold, McGerry, gold! by JackPumpkinhead	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:50:17 PM
But you need to make sure it's done realistically. Take a lesson from Noland and give us half an hour of the resistance guys learning how to skin people, and show us how they manufacture the scalpels and syringes they'll be using for the skinning procedure.
This is too stupid. by MrD	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:51:15 PM
I call shenannigans.
MARCUS BRODY: THE TERMINATOR by Robo-Obi	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:51:22 PM
I'll be back chap!
John Connor IS a machine in T2 !!! by The Biomind	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:52:57 PM
In the beginning of T2, when we see future John Connor, he totally moves his head like a robot. He moves more machine-like than any of the terminators. I always wondered if James Cameron somehow had the idea that - should he ever make more terminator movies - John Connor himself was a machine.
REBOOT MANIAC COP!! by Robo-Obi	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:53:44 PM
yes!
I hope this is not true. by TooWhippy	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:53:51 PM
sigh...
REBOOT RAWHEAD REX!!! by Robo-Obi	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:55:53 PM
yes sir!
I'm More Excited About My Next Bowl Movement! by CellarDweller	Jun 2nd, 2008 06:59:42 PM
Come on, do the math. McG + no Arnold = shit.
Holy-fucking shit... can it get any worse at this point? by Fenrisulfr	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:04:30 PM
This idea sounds so fucking dumb. But in a way it makes sense. Why would Bale sign for the trilogy? He would have seen "something" that caught his interest. He saw potential as an actor behind the whole Robocop-esque formula. I may start hating McG more than Paul Anderson and Michael Bay after this one.
so much for a big shocking finish. by alice 13	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:06:18 PM

One good thing... by BourneToRun	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:15:23 PM
If that is the ending it will kill the new trilogy, Was Bale on Crack when he signed up for this!
Damn You Michael Bay by MCMLXXVI	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:23:42 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
Well I for one... by dablunt89	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:23:53 PM
just love it!
Russian X-Files Trailer is Best Yet, by wilsonfisk89	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:23:54 PM
slashfilm and coming soon have it
great story, mori... by jarjarsjockstrap	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:25:30 PM
valid points, all around. Funny thing is, I wouldn't mind another terminator sequel -- if it came from cameron. it's his baby, and he can do with it as he pleases, as far as im concerned. same went for indy, and the same went for star wars. doesn't mean they were good films, but i legitimately don't think they intentionally ravaged their respective franchises. this terminator crap is diarrhea on film. god. help. us. all.
hahhaha, that is pretty twisted by TallBoy66	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:26:13 PM
I like, I like.
The fact that Bale accepts this crap... by Baked	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:26:49 PM
Makes it all the more pathetic.
The last terminator move was by Larry of Arabia	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:27:22 PM
T2: Judgment Day. It's the last one I saw and the last one I care to see. The future was saved and the story was over and it was all wrapped up with just enough hint that things might not be perfect to make it interesting.
I just threw up in my mouth a little by g-ride9000	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:28:10 PM
So here's my question. Can a Terminator made from real john connor skin have sperm for babies? Because he could go back in time to fuck Sarah first, and be his own father. And of course the child would be a 1/4 cyborg, on his father's side.
:Baked:: by g-ride9000	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:30:22 PM
Don't worry it wasn't Bale, it was the twin from The Prestige that accepted the role.
Do you really think that Christian Bale would have any part of t by abovo	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:30:25 PM
Christian Bale is the guy that had the foresight to bring dignity back to Batman. With his other outstanding performances in such films as American Psycho, Rescue Dawn, The Prestige, 3:10 to Yuma, let's give the guy a little credit until we see T4.
Thats Wack by proper	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:32:02 PM
Seriously :>
It was James Cameron idea since T2? by wadi77	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:33:15 PM
When I saw the grown up John Connor in T2, I always thought he moved like a robot, not human. So this could be Cameron's original idea. Who knows.
Hmmmm. by Evil Chicken	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:34:21 PM
Hoo boy. Bale has picked some really great projects but Terminator 4, 5, & 6? Ouch.
Escape From LA by phaedrus007	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:38:25 PM
It kind of reminds me of the ending from that unused script for 'Escape From LA' in which the climax reveals that the Snake character from 'Escape from NY' was really a clone of the original Snake, who dies at the end.
there's no such thing as a bad terminator plot device by Magic Rat	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:41:43 PM
based off the fact that the first movie centers around a man sending his friend back through time to impregnate his mother and create him. Where did John Conner pre-Terminator come from then? My brain hurts.
This better be a rumor or my money stays by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:41:53 PM
in my wallet.
Oh, good grief, please may this turn out to be just be a rumor.. by Wldmk	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:43:12 PM
Thing is, i would have thought freck like this could ONLY belong to the "crappy rumors" department, but these days you just can't tell anymore. This is just frikkin' stupid and bad on so many levels...
Extremely stupid....can't fuckin believe it by all.right.we.waste.him.no.offens e	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:43:15 PM
this is looking more and more on "Street Fighter" and "Batman & Robin" level, and yeah.... this will put McG on par or lower than Paul "Writes Shit" Anderson.... he may reach Uwe Boll level by the end of the new trilogy
Rumor:Connor teaches Terminator Gun Kata by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:45:04 PM
after he reprograms him. Sends this new one back to T2 era. Arnold Terminator and Grammaton Cleric Terminator double team to destroy T-1000 in five minutes. New timeline created....cut to original ending Connor becomes a senator, SCC, T3 and beyond never happened.
didn't we already see the next trilogy? by droidonthemoon	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:46:50 PM
you said this was supposed to kick off another trilogy? i think it did - and in classic timetravel style, we've already seen it. This leads right into it too. The Matrix.
That's funny, cause.... by SlickyVonBoner	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:48:47 PM
I always thought that scene in T2 (I think) where they show John Conner with binoculars looking over the battlefield... he looked very Terminator-like. Kinda emotionless and stiff. But maybe that was just the acting.
oh and of course....Flames on the endoskeleton please.... by all.right.we.waste.him.no.offens e	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:48:50 PM
you KNOW you want it
Fuckin...... by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:48:54 PM
STUPID!
Gun Kata by droidonthemoon	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:48:56 PM
hahahahahhaahah. damn, i needed that. thanx.
yikes by reckni	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:49:59 PM
The writers should be hung. Unreal. Looks like I'll be saving myself a trip to the movies. Dumb people.
you know... by droidonthemoon	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:51:45 PM
a Black Hole remake might not be such a bad idea... right along the lines of the new Battlestar G. humph. nah, lets not screw up any more classics (like clash of the titans, land of the lost, etc)
McG < Uwe Boll after this? The future will tell. by Fenrisulfr	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:52:34 PM
No fate but what we make, McG.
oh that's rich by gotilk	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:58:28 PM
lol
rumor by sandman88	Jun 2nd, 2008 07:59:46 PM
Does anyone know what the word "rumor" actually means. This sounds like complete BS...it's just funny how many people are freaking out at a "rumor"
Do you like Phil Collins? by GodMars	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:00:31 PM
I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual.
Oh, for fuck's sake by nerosday	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:01:07 PM

I honestly believe they are dumb enough to come with an idea lik by Fenrisulfr	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:03:27 PM
And therefore I have the feeling this rumor is true.
... like this. by Fenrisulfr	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:03:58 PM

I wish this was true by kungfuhustler84	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:05:24 PM
Then the franchise could just fuckin end. Great idea, let's make the leader of the resistance to destroy robots...drum roll please...a robot. ZING! And Moriarty is absolutely right about the need for new material and less franchises and remakes. Sooooo right. what happened to the old days when guys like Spielberg made Raiders simply because they wanted to tell their story the best way they could and entertain people? The movie industry should be about more than money. So sad.
It probably is just a rumour.. by xX_BlackThorne_Xx	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:07:46 PM
but still, T4 is sounding worse every day. What pisses me off is that T2: Special Edition is probably my favourite all-time movie. And all these sequels and spinoffs lessen its impact...
Terminator Vs. Robocop Vs. Aliens Vs. Predator by Anti-fanboy	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:10:21 PM
I'm still waiting for this from Dark Horse..
McG can bite my shiny metal ass by seagrass	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:10:37 PM
if this turns out to be true. Skynet should send a Terminator back in time to kill McG and prevent this movie from ever being made. In fact, just waste him at birth so none of his crap movies will ever exist.
Seriously by seagrass	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:15:25 PM
Fuck McG and the cretins behind this project.
Terminator vs. McBain by SergeAStorms	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:18:34 PM
I just talked to McG and in the latest script Arnold fights McBain at the end. Its partially animated.
Should have just adapted The Burning Earth by seagrass	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:21:05 PM
It was simply excellent...some of the best work Dark Horse has ever released (based on a licensed property), and a perfect way for the franchise to end.
And When Does Jar Jar Make An Appearence? by Alen Smithee	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:23:47 PM
...or "Kid-Terminator!"
My God by Magma Suit	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:24:03 PM
I used to be on board for this film. Even with McG, it sounded like it could be interesting. But after the PG-13 and now this, my interest has been killed. Your mini-essay on this cannibal holocaust was eye-opening, Mori.
Changing skin? LAME. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:24:24 PM

Nipples on Bat-suit = John Conner Cyborg by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:25:59 PM

Does MCMLXXVI have a daily planner by seagrass	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:27:13 PM
reminding him to post "Damn You, Michael Bay" in every single thread?
I think this movie will likely suck, but... by DarthCorleone	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:27:42 PM
...I don't think this particular idea is that horrifying, especially if you buy into the Deckard-as-replicant theory. But what's this PG-13 garbage?
This canNOT be true!!! by performingmonkey	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:28:35 PM
I'm not in denial or anything due to the craziness of that idea, but it really doesn't add up. The T-800 model 101 (i.e. the Ahnold model) killed John at the end of the war. The remaining Resistance led by John's wife, Kate Connor, reprogrammed that Ahnold Terminator and sent it back for T3. John can't be killed in Salvation, it's way too early. This is just someone's crazy idea. Either that or this is the end of the TRILOGY that someone's somehow found out about.
its a musical? by Orionsangels	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:29:36 PM

You guys are retarded..NOT THAT BAD NEWS by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:32:51 PM
this doesn't sound like the stake in the coffin, hell it doesn't even sound that bad..It's eve kind of interesting that the future persona of John Connor is more of a legend ( even sythenthic) than a human..HUUGGEEE FAN speaking here, and many other things sound worse than this... Other stuff that might not make sense and/or pointless is why this new actor Sam Worthington even play Marcus when his character who donated his body to be a robot would get switched again for basically another body lol?.....
Dey tuk er jerbs by Alonzo Mosely	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:33:38 PM
Thus spoke the screenwriters with original ideas...
John Conner is the Holy Grail of Terminator Mythos. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:34:40 PM

better one still . . . by aboriginal	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:34:56 PM
Arnold is sitting on a thrown of human skulls as the one original human made to be the T-800 ruling over the cyborg race. The refuse to let him die thinking him the Creator (ala v'ger) and it takes John on a mind-fuck odyssey to figure out just what came first.
MUST EMPHASIZE this by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:35:20 PM
McG is not necessarily good, this piece of news is not necessarily bad
moriarty by long live the new chris	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:35:38 PM
you, my friend, are a fucking moron.
Killing John Conner = Saying the previous movies didn't matter. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:35:57 PM

The cycle of remakes by RenoNevada2000	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:36:15 PM
I forsee the cycle of remakes getting shorter and shorter until one summer will end in August with remakes of the films that started off that season the previous May.
THERE ONCE WAS FRANCHISE NAMED TERMINATOR...a little limerick... by The Marquis de Side 3	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:36:31 PM
"There once was a franchise named "Terminator", shitting all over it -- McG! the perpetrator! he smears and smells twice, as studios say "Nice! We'll remake THIS shit for later!"
well...now we have three by all.right.we.waste.him.no.offens e	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:37:17 PM
Nipples on Batsuit... Flames on Optimus....and now John Connor cyborg
That ending would make an awesome T4 by jfischetti	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:37:44 PM
...if you wanted T4 to suck balls!!!!
Arnold and Kyle Reese appear briefly at the end by Orionsangels	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:38:18 PM
When they're sent back to 1984. That's how the movie ends. If ya wanna see what happens next. Watch the original Terminator.
Franchises that are awesome if you pretend they end at this poin by DarthScotland	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:40:20 PM
Aliens. Predator2 (AVP). Terminator2. Die Hard3. Highlander. Robocop. Beverly Hills Cop2(no.4 really? really?!?!). Spiderman (2 made me fall asleep and 3 was just gash.)X-Men2. must stop too angry now.
way to go Mori by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:40:24 PM
love u man(one of fav writers on this site, who i almost follow blindly in reviews ), but great way to officially create a bandwagon for the opinionated impaired masses....I know the lack of hope was there already, but you just deemed an semi interesting bit of news as bad. This plot point in itself is not that stupid. How it's pulled off is what'll make it fly.
Bay directing this? by br1947	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:42:29 PM
Sounds like a Bay ending to me...
More screen time for Christian Bale by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:43:02 PM
good...
Not Cool Moriarty by A-COD	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:45:08 PM
A line has been crossed here. This a half assed "scoop" on what is potentially the main cool concept regarding three pictures. I'm not even from Hollywood or connected to the game and I think this was mishandled. I can only imagine what McG must be thinking right now. Your the kid in 2nd grade that told me there was no Santa Claus, he was right but I still think he's a prick.
Weird twist to the John Conner mythos. by TotalFreedom	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:50:45 PM
It depends on how it's executed in the movie, but it could turn out less shitty than it sounds on paper. I always imagined the John Conner legend to be larger than life than the actual man, that he was a neccesary figure for the human resistance to rally around, but that no one man could live up to the superman they made him. Anyway, I think the machine-conner idea could work if it is done very carefully, but yeah it could really suck too.
every one of you whiners will watch this, so STFU by BMacSmith	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:52:32 PM
we get what we deserve. and you wonder why this shit gets greenlit?
THIS JUST IN: IRONMAN REMAKE by g-ride9000	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:54:38 PM
Summer 2: a McG film
I tuned out of this franchise after Big Jim did too by Dasher	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:54:50 PM
Haven't seen T3 or the TV show and I won't watch this either. I don't care that Bale is in it. Without Cameron, without Arnie, I ain't going.
It could work. by Gozu	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:55:56 PM
Oh wait, no, it really can't. Hopefully this is just a rumor.
beer is good almost a good point by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:57:54 PM
the summer movies you're talking about have now become big fall/winter movies......superhero movies the downfall? If you remember correctly, the summer movies before the superhero craze were all Bruckheimer, now if you want more Tony Scottripoffs and Roland Emmerich(wish granted) end of the world fare, hey you and the cap'n can make it happen.
I LIKE IT! by EbertsFatThumb	Jun 2nd, 2008 08:59:11 PM
But then again I like any movie that has someone skinned. Oscar nomination if they really skin the actor alive.
WILL BE AS MESSED UP AS ALIEN FRANCHISE by EbertsFatThumb	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:01:27 PM
Okay, I really am not interested in people being skinned. But if this rumour is true (likely not) then the franchise is becoming like Alien. I sure wish they had taken Alien franchise down the Alien Hive book route. Oh wait! They did! It is called Gears Of War!
btw what do remakes have to do with this movie? by T 1000 xp professional	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:02:17 PM
wrong article to complain 'bout that...if you're complaining about original ideas then please don't let me see you in the MUCH ANTICIPATED 22ND James Bond flick.
Warning Hollywood by hallmitchell	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:02:23 PM
Don't you dare, end up like the music business. I used to love both measures of art 50/50. Then the mid nineties came. Music sucked. I stopped buying albums. And no I wasn't downloading either. Be careful Hollywood. You haven't gone that way yet. Remember guys. The best way to hurt this material is don't show up.
The Burning Earth by Chicken Thunder	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:06:48 PM
Was a really good book. Unfortunately the binding on the trade paperback was shit, most of the pages fell out after 3 or 4 reads.
Every Movie that comes out in 2015... by YakMalla	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:09:06 PM
...will be a different Hulk reboot.
They'll borrow the effects from MIB by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:09:53 PM
The bug wearing the Edgar suit.
Are Orci and Kurtzman writing this shit? by krack	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:10:54 PM
sounds like something they'd come up with
Flames on Optimus = John Conner Cyberbetic Organism by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:13:39 PM
"John Conner Cybernetic Organism" has a better ring than "John Conner Cyborg" sorry, all.right.we.waste.him.no.offe ns e.
Evil archer by Chicken Thunder	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:16:17 PM
Shouldn't it just be "skin on Connor"
ugg... by HAWA	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:16:53 PM
Say it aint so.
Gay by picardsucks	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:20:56 PM

I like it! by s0nicdeathmonkey	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:23:17 PM
It's clever to me. The first 3 movies were about ensuring John Conner's survival at any cost. The robots kept trying to go back and kill him, but it really didn't matter because the first of their kind was actually what defeats them.
It kinda makes sense by CherryValance	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:27:55 PM
don't countries have look-a-likes for the president all the time in case something happens? Like that movie Moon Over Parador? I'm not saying I like it. It's just not completely unheard of.
Huh by Theta	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:31:33 PM
You know...that's not nearly as terrible as I was led to expect. Kinda stupid, yeah, but I won't be all heartbroken and horrified if this turns out to be the truth.
????? OK? by Series7	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:40:43 PM
Why is that a big deal? I thought you were going to tell me they were just going to re-make T1-3. So John Conner is really a Terminator in the future? Why is this the end of the world? Its not half as bad as the end of Kung Fu Panda were Dreamworks closes the door and won't let you leave until you give them all the money in your wallet. ALSO NEVER GIVE UP! NEVER SURRENDER! Whats are motto around here fellow TB'ers? If it has Christian Bale, it will not suck! Just keep saying it over and over in your head, and watch it come true July 18th.
it's a rumor by drumking94	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:47:09 PM
let's all just hope for the best here. hope is all we have (DAMN YOU McG!!!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!)
If Bale actually said he LIKED this script.... by KongMonkey	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:48:48 PM
then I doubt it has an ending as shitty as that.
LAME!!!! by DARTH VOODOO	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:52:15 PM
That is a really fucking bad idea.
It's not a horrible ending... by cdubbs727	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:57:28 PM
I could definitely see a movie where this plot could be used to propel a series...but why does it have to be Terminator? For me, the Terminator movies were all about a war that happened in the future that caused a machine to wreak havoc on our modern world. I don't particularly care to see the battle against the machines since the fact that John Connor defeats the machines is what adds to the suspense of the original films. We know he wins...that's why the machines want to kill him. But, as has been noted, Hollywood likes an established premise and a franchise people already know. You know, they don't need anything new since new things are risks. Of course, The Matrix proved that something new could be a hit. As did The Sixth Sense, Kill Bill, anything from Pixar...the list goes on and on. I love the first two Terminator flicks. And I think T3 is fun but definitely pushing its luck. This, however, is truly an attempt to milk a franchise far past its expiration date. The presence of Bale was an early vote of confidence for me...but now I wonder if he's the new Johnny Depp.
WAIT WAIT WAIT by wenis	Jun 2nd, 2008 09:59:47 PM
so this is the plot for salvation?i dont understand...i dont think i want to understand.
how...in the name of all that is holy.... by Mr. Flibble	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:04:27 PM
could no one involved in this hold up their hand and say..."hang on, this is a shit idea". These people are in the movie business, some of them must have an inkling of what "bad" is. I'm no against remakes, sometimes great ideas are ruined by poor realisations and their potential "can" be truly realised if revisited. However, taking a revered cinematic story, tieing it to a table and raping it up the ass till bloody and torn is not a way for any studio to endear itself to the movie watching public. And if Christian Bale has attatched himself to this then i'm very disapointed, he's been carving himself a great choice in parts over the last few years, maybe all that rapid weightloss/gain has finally damaged his brain.
IT'S ALL OVER BUT THE CRYING by BurgerTime	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:04:38 PM
Let the McG ass raping begin. Sigh
Completely Impossible to be even ranked 3rd best sequel by Stormwatcher	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:07:33 PM
Prefer tv show version of future so far. Liked that they used turbines. Love the Shirley Manson casting more than anything on this movie.
Did you see Sam Worthington in Rogue? by johnnyg korrupt	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:12:45 PM
What a scrawny dork with no shoulders. Hope he put on 30 pounds for Avatar and T4.....i have no idea how this guy is the next big action star. By the way....Rogue was crap
holy crap by robamenta	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:22:33 PM

sorry about that by robamenta	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:23:28 PM
.. i meant to say...holy crap..shut the hell up ...it might work. let them make the fuckin movie then you can judge
Doesn't sound inherently bad by Vern	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:24:45 PM
I hate to be the disagreeing blackbox guy but I don't understand the reason for getting worked up about this. It could be bad or it could be good. If it's real I feel stupid for having read about it already. I don't feel ready to judge if it's good or bad since I don't know this character or the plot or tone or world of the movie or how well it will be executed. All I know is it would be a crazy fucked up twist that should make you say "I didn't see THAT coming" and get excited to see what happens in the next one. But, uh, whoops. Should have had more self control than to read it I guess. And the dude should've had more self control than to leak it. I blame him. I'm more concerned about the other rumor that Bryce Dallas Howard will play the wife. Not that T3 is sacred but I don't see how they go from the two being schoolmates to having a 7 year age difference. (Okay, I thought it was gonna be more than 7 years before I looked it up. Still, they do not seem like they're the same generation.)
After hearing more and more about this by TheMcflyFarm	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:27:57 PM
can we all agree that T3 wasn't the abomination some make it out to be. Sure it doesn't hold a candle to the first two, but it's actually pretty great.
This is all thanks to the Predalien by Chicken Thunder	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:29:39 PM
That motherfucker. Now the studios think a bastard amalgam of characters, even sworn foes, is what we're all hankering for. Next up, Hans McClane, Indiana Beloch, and McCauley Pesci.
Terminator 5 will be "John Connor SMASH!" by Damien Chowder	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:40:22 PM
So far new films seem to be dummed down for the idiot generation who can't read and write, hang around in gangs and bark at people who are different, i.e. the majority of todays youths. Cos they like John Connor SMASH! xXx 3 extreme to the ZEEE!!!! Fuck this shit up the arse.
I never read Burning Earth by Jackie Boy	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:42:37 PM
how'd shit go down?
That sounds like shit. by JKrow21	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:44:12 PM
I hope it's bullshit.
Escape from LA by jamestewart007	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:46:13 PM
If it can work there.. why not here?
Well how can McG's John Connor be killed? by Damien Chowder	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:46:15 PM
Just send somebody out to stop that from happening! DUH!!!!!
trilogy by cdubbs727	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:49:13 PM
Why do they feel that they just don't need to do a T4...they need T4-6? Why can't they say "we're going to do a big action movie and see if that works" instead of doing a drawn out story with a lame twist meant to basically just ensure more movies? Remember when movies used to just be one-shot entertainment and sequels were a gift, not an inevitability?
Burning Earth by Chicken Thunder	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:50:46 PM
Well it's been about ten years since I read it, but basically you see the rag-tag future army dudes doing some cool sabotage missions, then they decide to hell with it, let's storm skynet and smash those metal motherfuckers. So they storm the place, loads of people get wasted and they turn off skynet. Then a lone termintor eye blinks back on. Duh duh duuuuh!!! It was better than that synopsis though, the art was great too, definitely recommend getting it. In fact, I'm off to ebay right now!
Owwww.... by nascentia	Jun 2nd, 2008 10:56:28 PM
My good movies...stop raping them in the ass. Please please PLEASE. No means no.
CHUD just ran a confirmation by IndustryKiller!	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:02:51 PM
Un fucking believable that anyone could think this was a good idea
Why it's inarguably bad Vern by IndustryKiller!	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:06:58 PM
It's bad in the same way Padme dying and having Luke and Leia talk about their mother in Return of the Jedi is bad. We are told John Connor leads the revolution against the robots. JOHN CONNOR!!!! Not some fucking other guy who everyone thinks is John Connor. And yeah you could have it be that way without destroying continuity, but it makes the convos about John Connor in Terminator 1 and the ENTIRETY OF TERMINATOR 2 seem like a joke because it's not actually the fucking guy who does it. It's one of the worst ideas to ever be introduced into a major franchise. Absolutely horrible.
Oh and to McG: How does it feel you fucking hack? by IndustryKiller!	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:08:14 PM
I'm pretty glad that the internet, in some small way, could fuck you back for your crimes against cinema. Fucking wanker.
HAHAHAHA!!! by Sakurai	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:11:23 PM
So its a comedy!! cant wait.
Did anyone actually think this would be GOOD???? by MJohnson	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:13:03 PM
Morons...
I still wish Bale would play the original Arnie-Terminator. by Flim Springfield	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:13:57 PM
He could totally pull it off.
ANOTHER YEAR, ANOTHER CHILDHOOD RAPED by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:15:07 PM
Humans Versus Robots. You'd think that simple fucking premise is enough to fuel a series of great movies starting with the original. We already have the backstory about John Connor. WHY OH WHY OH WHY do they have to fucking complicate it with such contrived bullshit like this?!? I know why! To sell fucking John Connor cyborg action figures!! AHHHHHH FUCK YOU McG and everyone involved in this shit!!!! IRON MAN 4EVER!!! You'll never take that away from me!!!
2012 TERMINATORS by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:17:05 PM
Starring Danny Glover as leader of the Resistance and Rihanna as the Terminator.
THE STRANGER TERMINATORS by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:18:44 PM
A remake of Them, but with Terminators.
LARS AND THE REAL TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:19:23 PM
Sweet story! Except Lars gets terminated by his love.
I Heard it! by CaptainWalker	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:21:11 PM
It's Ross Perots' Giant Sucking Sound! And it's louder than ever!
GOOD LUCK TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:21:22 PM
Non-stop titty action, except for the pair that counts - Jessica Alba's. Go figure.
Just remember - we don't HAVE to go and see it. by BiggusDickus	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:23:46 PM
I mean, it's not compulsory. The movie-police are not going to come to our houses and force us to watch. If a movie looks/sounds unfeasibly shit, then I tend to simply save my money. Worked for me with 'Speed Racer' and it'll work again here. When enough of us start thinking the same, then the suits will wake up...
Bugga Wugga Fuck? by greenstyle92	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:25:02 PM
Eh? Well that's um... weird as shit.
STOP BEING NEGATIVE by HKiller	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:25:45 PM
OK, enough with the negative vibes towards this project! You're all judging it before it's even been shot, let alone gone thru a director's cut and first preview. The script is VERY GOOD -- and McG is a quality director, much to the chagrin of many of you (We Are Marshall should be required viewing). I'm with Vern on this one. Give it a chance and don't bag on it. If you want to skewer it after a preview that YOU have actually attended, well then, that's your right.
FACE/OFF TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:27:38 PM
GEDD DOO DAH CHOPPAH!!! AND BRING MY FACE WIT YOO!!! DOO EEED NEEEOOOWWWW!!!! CONSIDERDETADIVORCE!!!
What we also need... by BiggusDickus	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:28:45 PM
are the money-people behind the movies to start having the following conversations with the writers, directors etc: "Ok, so you want to do WHAT with this franchise? And you want MY money to do it? Have you been sniffing the old Bolivian marching-powder again? You have? And the screenwriter? Ok, you're fired. Take your Red Bull off my desk and disappear."
WHY NOT DROP AN R-2 UNIT IN THIS MOVIE? by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:29:45 PM
Makes as much sense as ... PUTTING JOHN CONNOR'S FACE ON A ROBOT.
RED BULL ... by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:30:37 PM
That explains everything. Who actually drinks that bull piss?
LIBWARRIOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:33:57 PM
I'm of the mind that Edward Furlong and the guy from T3 were totally wrong for John Connor. I don't watch the TV show, but I'm 100% sure he's wrong there too. I'm in support of Bale being Connor, but with McG at the helm, and this face/off thing, this movie is gonna be PANTS. PANTS!!!!
THE LAST STARFIGHTING TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:35:53 PM
GEDD DOO DAH GUNSTAR ONE!!! DOO EED NEEOOWWW!!!!
What a bunch of bullshit!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:36:23 PM
That's like...the worst idea ever. I'm no TERMINATOR whore. But even I can sit here and objectively say that's horrendous. Devin's write-up on this story over at CHUD is pretty cut and dry. (And I don't think we need the well-worn philosophical theme of what it means to be human in a Terminator movie either.) But he makes it sound like Moriarty dropped the bomb that's gonna NUKE THE FRIDGE!
SKYNET'S CORE IS THE BRAIN OF HUGO CHAVEZ by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:37:29 PM
Discuss.
Linda Hamilton took the rights in the divorce by messi	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:39:05 PM
and then she sold them, which si why it made no sense when she refused to be in T3 complaining that she won't do it if it's not Cameron. YOU PUT HIM IN THAT POSITION YOU UGLY DOG!
THE NAYS HAVE IT by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:40:19 PM
T4 IS NUKING THE SHARK!
WHO ARE THE AD WIZARDS WHO CAME UP WITH THIS ONE? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:40:34 PM
Seriously. Who came up with this idea? Who wrote the script? Did ScriptGirl report on this? Somebody better get Philbrick on the line...
JOHN CONNOR PIMPED HIS PAST MOM TO KYLE REESE by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:43:29 PM
That's nasty!
The lamest thing I have ever heard by the_dixie_flatline	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:44:31 PM
It's like Han shooting first, if what Han shot were a million tiny turds shaped like Catwoman Special Edition DVDs.
SCRIPTGIRL AND THE TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:45:16 PM
Set Terminator on vibrate and .... GO!
IF YOU WERE SARAH CONNOR, WOULD YOU HAVE FUCKED KYLE? by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:46:34 PM
His pants must've stunk! He stole them off the homeless guy!
Why not make somenew killer robot movie??? by Johnno	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:46:54 PM
Seems there've only been like what, three? Terminator, Matrix and possibly i am robot... But c'mon give me a day and I can think of something new...
LETHAL WEAPON TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:51:38 PM
"I'm too rusty for this shit!"
BLADE RUNNER HAD KILLER ROBOTS by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:52:20 PM
Kinda..
a remake of the Matrix by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:55:00 PM
sequels aside, now I know how you all old fogeys feel. i think i'd feel personally offended seeing some random new young bastard trying to be Neo (even if I hate Keanu, he's still Neo) or having someone else even dare attempt Morpheus or Smith. it's different with comedies or some other films. i can't imagine someone remaking Back to the Future, but a Ghostbusters remake sounds like a cool idea. i'd rather see that than something 'original' cuz the original idea would probably be lame.
THE ASSASSINATION OF TERMINATOR BY THE COWARD JOHN CONNOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:55:35 PM
There are layers of meaning in that title. You've got to see the movie to understand.
I AM BATMAN by BringingSexyBack	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:58:12 PM
That's so weird we did the Blade Runner reference at the same precise moment. Are you reading my mind? You FREAK!!!!!
Sounds like they are Nuking the mythology.... by Nuking the Fridge	Jun 2nd, 2008 11:59:25 PM
and creating a bunch of shit out of their ASS. Fuck it, remake "Taxi Driver" while you are at it Hollywood.
TERMINATOR IS JUMPING THE FRIDGE! by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:02:30 AM
And McG is driving the boat!
FACE/OFF 2: MCG VS. BRETT RATNER by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:03:37 AM
Will anyone be able to tell the difference?
WHERE'S CHOCOLATEREIGN by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:04:50 AM
He must be having a seizure from my Capslock overload.
To paraphrase The Narrator from Fight Club... by Han Cholo	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:04:54 AM
That's the STUPIDEST thing I've ever heard.
THERE WILL BE CASTROL SYNTEC by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:06:09 AM
I drink your oilpan! I drink it up!
M. NIGHT SHYAMALAN'S TERMINATOR by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:08:07 AM
Gedd. Doo. Dah. Choppah. Doo. Eed. Neow.
TO PARAPHRASE COLONEL POTTER FROM MASH ... by BringingSexyBack	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:09:06 AM
This is horse hockey!
Unfortnately, ending Nerdstalgia will neccessitate by greenstyle92	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:18:55 AM
The end of the Super Hero bubble that's been hanging over hollywood since Spider-man 1's opening weekend. Because, honestly, that's a big part of it. recognition with built in fans. Studios are in love with mining the comics, and when they aren't doing that they're mining previous genre films. Having Superhero films fail and go out of style will be a big signal that we're all grown up and ready for something new. And it would have to be a big failure. A flop from a huge franchise. Something unbearably bad. The next Batman and Robin. Probably only a Spider-man film is high profile enough to produce an epic fail. Problem is, we're not ready for it yet, going by this summer. "That's well and good, but I want an Iron Man 2 and an Avengers film before we see the end of Superheroes! That and a third Nolan/Bale Batman and that'd be it! the genre can rest! ooh, but a Green Lantern Movie would be cool too..." and it never ends.
Wait, let's clarify by greenstyle92	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:20:35 AM
Is it some random asshole in a Terminator Body wearing a John Connor skin suit? or is it gonna be John Connor in a Terminator body? Wait, those are equally stupid, never mind.
Hold it right there, Bring Sexy Back! by greenstyle92	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:22:48 AM
I REFUSE to support the inane attempt to make "Nuking the Fridge" the new "Jumping the Shark." Oh, you thought the nuked fridge seen had questionable physics, boo fucking hoo.
Mori, the remake in 20 years will be... by greenstyle92	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:29:15 AM
a Harry Potter reboot. Each movie will be given 2 films a piece and there will be an overbloated and mis placed pre-occupation with "doing it right this time." And they'll get Daniel Radcliffe to do one of the following: 1) make a cameo as James Potter in the mirror, or age him up to be Dumbledore or if they're really screwing with us make him the new Snape! Then, even though I love the current movies I'll say, "These new movies are sooooo much better! those old movies totally suck!" Until the do the new version of "Order of the Phoenix" and it's long and overblown and boring and I go "These new ones don't get it! Harry Potter was done right the first time!" Just like what's about to happen to Batman...
i'm with u WeinerPenis by juice willis	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:32:52 AM
john connor kept alive as a cyborg would be cool. but if the cyborg doesn't bear any semblance to the character of john connor aside from "wearing his skin" then what's the fucking point.
Really, by jingle_balls	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:36:06 AM
It hasnt raped my childhood, but it is dismissing the first 2 Terminator movies because the whole focus was to keep JOhn Connor alive. If he dies in this proposed storyline, makes those movies so insignificant. THe mythos of John Connor was what everyone was interested in. Not this Marcus fella.
If we continue remaking films by greenstyle92	Jun 3rd, 2008 12:41:40 AM
we'll destabalize the movie industry and suffer a "false Vacuum" collapse of a sort where films just aren't profitable and stuff like Sci-fi channel originals is the best we can hope for. Oh, and google "false vacuum c

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