Hell

Look what I just did.

Crap

Coulda done better for a line up until January.

Stick around my friend

p 3.) - Michael Emerson will NOT win best actor Emmy... because he is up in the Best Supporting Actor catagory.

Interesting, a talkback that automatically repels spoilers - now that IS a technological break through.

Anyway, what that said was:

1.) three original cast members do something, and 2.) that thing that one guy did that one time will be totally explained.

It was funny..I went to click C2C and hit AICN on accident - and saw the new post up.

Once the Ep ends...we definitely need a new poll in Room 23...what line would you like to see up for the next 8 months?

From the clips...I like Kate's "We get to leave the Island?" or Jack's "Do NOT go back to the Island" or with it's simplicity..."Goodbye John"

j/k

You and those horrible eyes, go back to your TV like a Rat.

;>}

It's finally here! The Season Finale! High Five!!!

And don't call him the star of the show while Brighteyes is around. It's all about the Jack.

see you later. today is going to go at a snails pace, i just know it.

Equally whilst shes not putting out you do look at other girls to give you a quick thrill but it just isn't the same.

An Emmy for Jeremy Davies? For best guest performance in a drama I assume.

Herc, if you really think Jeremy Davies deserves the best guest performance Emmy, you need to get yourself over to hulu.com and watch William Sanderson's performance in the Life episode called "What They Saw" or Orlando Jones's performance in the New Amsterdam episode "Soldier's Heart"

13 more hours!

PS: did anyone think that Ben was gonna pull a River (from Serenity movie where in the end, she goes runnin off and kill all the reavers?) at the end of the last episode when he just walked over to the soldiers?

Bulgarian - 0

Personally, I have the X-Files movie in July, NFL Football in Late summer, and Dexter in Oct to look forward to...then the 24 movie. So - not all doom and gloom for 8 months. Tropic Thunder looks like it might be good too.

I hate actors who only have one role in them. Over-rated motherfuckers.

Duly added, Musashi.

So...this is our new digs for a while?

When are they gonna renovate this pisshole?

Ok...The countdown is on...I'm spoiler fuckin free...and it's gonna stay that way til tonight! I'll be back with my thoughts on the finale asap!

And I'll be back every nite til we cap 10k posts...or the White Screen of Doom takes over...whichever comes first!

Namaste, Motherfuckers!...and...

GO TEAM VINCENT!

However, when you set a world record for eating the most M &Ms you dont think "alright, I ate 597 M&Ms without puking, now I'm going to try for 598". We've already accomplished that.

I think we need to show our appreciation another way. What, do we aim for 10,001? 11,000? I think it's time to set a new record, show our love another way. Any ideas.

Anyway, it was fantastic!!! The acting reminded me of the last episode of season 1 and the first episode of season 2 (tremendous Emmy material). Some of the "spoilers" are NOT correct -- including some of the darkufo spoilers. In fact, most of the spoilers left out the most important plot elements! Obviously, the studio was trying to figure out just WHO was the spy/leaker.

Anyway, this finale is FANtastic! I don't know if I can wait to see what happens next season. This one has more lasting impact than last season's great fast forward episode. It is poignant, heart-breaking, sci fi-rific and extraordinarily eerie! The coffin scene was...unexpected!

This episode was fantastic! As far as I know, it was a completed episode. The score was tremendous, and it even ended with the huh-boom-"LOST" scene.

http://tinyurl.com/59qkzm

Sl ate article by Juliet Lapidos (!) argues that this has been the best season of TV's best show due to the flash forward gamechanger. Somemwhat amusing, the best pert is her recap of the first three seasons:

"1) Are there other people on this island?

2) There are other people on this island.

3) Oh, my God, the other people on this island are way mean!"

Really, as "best show ever" as it may me, "Lost" is NOT the only show on TV ever.

[*Ever since someone posted GOJINO (GI Joe In Name Only) to a Joes talk-back, I've been trying to promote Gijino as a new euphemism for vagina, as in "O'Malley, stop looking at mah gijino!"

Gijino: spread it!

As someone who collected superhero comics for 49 years, I could almost leap to the assumption that you're not a comics fan, but really, "Heroes" is not even the best example of that genre on current TV. (Medium is.) I like "Heroes" and don't consider that to be an example of bad taste, but then I've enjoyed an awful lot of pretty crappy comics in the last half century too.

("Heroes chapter 2 very sucked, but I have high hopes for chapter 3: Villains.)

"Hope springs a kernel." - Denny Crane!

I don't want to chafe Edshrinker too much over that, he already repented it and we have to show forgiveness. Still, way to think under pressure, Ed. 8]

So are all the spoiler fearers steering clear until after 11:00? Yeah, don't blame you. Who would have thought the StarGate was under the waterfall?

FIRST!

There has to be some appreciation for not having to see that for 8 months.

Tho seeing anything that long is bound to be annoying. So I ask, seeing that hindsight is 20/20 and given 1/2 a day to think about it...what would some of you posted?

I'm of the opinion, the"First"post is like love. If you want it, plan for it...it will never happen.

Damn that's deep. Feel free to use that one gang. Why the hezmana didn't I post THAT!

Thanks for the kind words guys. It sure beats, "Goddamn mutherflipper Ed posted 1st I hate him, AICN, and this TB and will never return."

That would have hurt my feelings. Really.

Naked Claire, no text. The perfect 1st post. Would NEVER get bored of that. 8 months. 8 years.

Spoilers...I read some of them too and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the LostFAn spoilers were set up as foilers by Darlton. They were so pissed after last year and they are smart guys. It is a certainty they filmed alternates of some scenes. What Iread was disappointing. I am SURE - tonight, I will NOT be disappointed. In fact, this will be the best 2 hour finale I will have ever watched. I will be surprised. And I will be anxious for 5x01 ...isn't that what great season finales do? Get us pumped for the next season?

JJ call me! I have ideas galore!

If I were made of money - I'd head out west to comic con...pickin up Gotilk on the way.

Alas...

Always thought it'd be so cool to get a bunch of us together. We're all so spread out, though. Even those of us in North America (See Fishy...that includes you, you hoser). Node and BigE in the midwest, RB Vader myself and others east coast, a ton of ya'll out west...

We need a massive LOST convention right in the middle of the US

Someone obscure, yet important. Hmmm

The Hatch Man? Neat inclusion in the new series if so.

I expect this to be a great finale to a great season.

(the only real fly in the ointment for this season me was Roussea. Throwaway death for a great character. Poor Frenchy.)

But technically a three hour season finale canNOT be the best two hour season finale you ever saw. Well, at 42 minutes per hour, three hours of broadcast TV with the ads trimmed out would clock in at two hours if you trimmed about six minutes, but they're not going to do that - instead the rerun of Pt. 1 of the finale will be adding a minute or two of additional "Oceanic Six press conference" footage.

However, I certainly agree in spirit that tonight will be the best freaking three hour season finale EVER! And probably better than most or all two hour season finales, too. So there's that.

No disrespect meant, but THREE HOUR LOST SEASON FINALE! And I drove out to Radio Shack and picked up my TV digital to analog converter box so I can continue to use the 4 TVs I already have after the industry switched to digital next year and still watch TV even after I can't afford cable any more. (got it just a couple days before my coupon expired.)

And I just bought my first $40.00 fill-up ever. (My last fill-up was $33.00 - I don't drive much).

My cat's affectionate, I got cookies and there's time to go make a couple olive burgers before the show starts.

So for today and the next few hours at least, it's fucking great to be alive and life is good.

I'll mourn Harvey Korman... and Earle H. Hagen and Alexander Courage and Sydney Pollack some rainy day when I can find time. Right now is not the time. I'm too happy to be sad. New LOST!!! Whooo!

Expressing that so you don't nitpick that as well.

From his Carol Burnett in my youth to Blazing Saddles and History of the World in my later youth he gave me so much joy. And though the things I enjoyed him in will always be around, he will still be missed.

Also, I think I know how S5 is going to start - just like S1, only no plane and it's a different island...

Just stay away from sockets

MuthaFlippin

8 months

cries and sobs uncontrollably.... and spell poorly

Or a bucket

Don't like the New one.

Alpyid

Saypert

Already

THAT is when you know something is good.

We shall see

The Orchid.

The home to time/place jumping Bunnies

"If you mean time traveling bunnies? Yes."

the best

If it IS Ben.....they sure did a lousy job of an alias.

Bentham

Not real creative.

Are you seriously using the movies MPAA rating to sell the film?

Oh yeah.

Well, Fuck You.

And for that matter, neither is Jin. Jin was picked up by Faraday and they're chilling somewhere on the ocean.

Love this show.

I too am going to take some time to process this episode. Why did big Walt appear to Locke last season? 4 toed statue? Frozen donkey wheel? WE STILL DON'T KNOW!!!

And how did Ben already know that Sayid was off the island and his wife was dead? How did Mr. Friendly travel so easily off the island, when no one else seems able???

However, the use of the coffin in season 3 was a good way to set up this mindfuck, and we all know the writers had no fucking idea who was in the coffin until probably a few episodes back.

It's no THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS, but did anyone really expect it to be?

I dunno if I'm supposed to not post this because of West Coasters but other people are talking dead Lockes and West Coasters shouldnt be here right now anywya.

We all know that the Morse Code took like 2-3 days to reach the freighter in the time difference between island and world.

Ohhh but the heartbeat monitor signal INSTANTLY shows up on the boat? I don't think so Mr. Lindelof and Mr. Cuse. I don't think so at all.

Still, it's tough to beat the image of John Locke in a coffin. Good season. Pretty good finale. I look forward to the next.

That was the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland on Aaron's door. Was that there in "Something Nice Back Home"? And what's the deal with Aaron (which has been hinted at since Season 1) and what's the deal with Claire--is she a ghost now or what? It seems like there is some connection between Aaron's "special" status, Walt's "special" status, and the reason why the Others were interested in them both. I'm sure it was all part of the "Others" orientation that Locke got when he joined up with them.

When Ben said "you all" have to go back, did that include Lapidus and Desmond?

So I suppose that Ben travelled directly from the frozen wheel room to the Sahara in 2005 (and the date on the island when he turns the wheel is sometime in late December 2004, right?). And the new timeframe of "We have to go back", if it's three years later, would be sometime in late 2007/early 2008 (i.e. more or less present day, for now). Which means Ben has been doin' stuff for two years or so since he made that threat to Widmore--and Sayid has been working for Ben for 2 years. It's possible that he's already killed Penelope in the intervening time--and it's hard to imagine that Penelope and Desmond haven't been together for that three years...

What the hell kind of show will Lost be next season? What format will it take? When will be the "present", and will there be flashbacks or flashforwards? Will Locke still be a series regular? Will I be able to wait eight months? How big will this talkback be by then?

No, really... I have...

Better title for our home. Hope the lack of context negates that as a spoiler. I wonder if Herc would actually take a request since we will be the ones here for 8 months.

And oh boo hoo, we never found out how Keamy and the Frighter Fighters escaped from the Monster. Big Woo, like I'm gonna cry over that for eight months.

As for LOST, I have to say I'm surprised by this episode. A lot of cool stuff happened, and it set the stage for a great season next year... But the people who say BSG isn't paying off need to watch this week's episode. It pays off, and it's an excellent episode.

FrodoFraggins - you hit the nail on the head - the flash forwards are making it too easy to see where the show is going. That's why I feel the element of surprise has been compromised.

SPINOFF!

And

Where is the Best TV Dog the frelling world?!?!?!?

Forget the Ford/Austen kiss, forget the big climactic Hume/Widmore kiss. The BIG KISS (allcaps is not enough - add reverb to that) was Jack and Desmond and y'all know it. Go Team Jazzmond!

Poor Brighteyes, not only do Jack and Dez get the Big Kiss with reverb but Martin disparages Shephard's masculinity over his back-shooting abilities and his as always brilliant medical knowledge.

"Trust me, I know what I'm doing - I don't have to check his pulse, he has to be dead, I shot him two times in the body armor." This is what they teach kids in surgery school these days?

If he was going to give us a choice of what line we'd like to see up there for the next eight months, I'd vote for "It's a place where miracles happen."

Any other nominations?

Spooky chubby-faced threatening nightmare Claire is now the official new uber-haut Knight Mayor of Dreamsville. "'Don't You DARE!' Claire" is HOT!

Marvin Candle: I thought the asian guy in the videos was Dr Martin Candle - he used a different name in this one, oh and did he have two arms? Im confused suddenly. Help!

Micheal cant die: I read Christian's line of "you can go home now" as a way of saying, "penance paid and accepted. Time to go see Jesus." and then BOOM

Claire likes twinkies and sodas: It would appear that she's eating much better now that she's off the island. Holy Wait-up-for-me-Hurley, Batman.

where go da Island?: its not cloaked. There was a depression in the ocean where the island used to be - which suggests that the island wasn't really part of any undersea mountain range or inert volcano. It was a 'berg' of some sort that was somehow anchored in its place.

The Rules: The person who moves the island has to leave? I got nothing on this other than it helps ensure that moving the island is a 'final option' because once you do, you're out of the club.

shifty eyes about: was it just me or were half of the people on the beach just firing stink eyes in every random direction? Faraday had this look of 'god i hate lying to people' when he walked away from Juliet. Then Juliet shot him a look of 'i seriously already know you're lying' later on after he hugged her goodbye.

last one becaues I could go all night here: island mumbles in reverse - so the voices are people who are working from the future back to the present (reversely) and because they are 'out of phase' ala Orchid, we cannot see them.

And this show seriously needs to own the Emmys or you can just cancel the award altogether.

Would have been worth a shot if all those lives were at stake.

And while Locke takes credit...didn't Ben do all the work to move the island? What did Locke do but watch another damn video? he could have You-Tubed that one from the Arrow sta...oh yeah. He blew that up too.

Hurly should've told 'em.

Lost is not really the funniest show on TV, but that came very close to a LOL moment.

So... does anyone think Locke might be dead the same way Bunny Rabbit #15 is dead?

as in yes I'm dead - and yet I'm also here...

A couple weeks later I got an e-mail saying I won and I had to give them my address so they could deliver my present.

The next day these two writers, Damon Lindelhof and Carlton Cuse and this actor Daniel Dae Kim showed up at my house with my prize. It was one of those two bowl metal pet dishes with a side for food and a side for water.

They forced me into my kitchen and tied me to a chair. They asked me "Did you see the grave, did you see the toomstone? Did you see the widow cry?" I said "Jin can't be dead!"

They said "Did you see Ausiello's open ended spoiler that three of the original series regulars would die in that episode? Can you count to three? Did you see that Michael, Jin and Locke were the three he was talking about?" I said "No, Jin can't be dead!"

They said "did you see all the C-4. Did you hear Desmond say it could blow up am aircraft carrier? Did you see Jin ON the freighter after the helicopter took off? Did you see the freighter explode, the entire surface of the deck engulfed in flames? Did you see the freighter sink?" "Jin is alive!" I yelled.

"Did you see the chopper circle around where the freighter sank and there were no life rafts and no one in the water?" They shouted at me. "Do you realize there were no survivors from that freighter explosion except the people who were on that helicopter?" They were screaming now and they seemed exasperated as I replied "Jin is not dead!"

They turned the pet food dish around and there, engraved in the metal, were the words "Jin is dead". They asked if I could read it and tried to get me to say it and when I wouldn't they got really mean and accused me of being illiterate or stupid.

They filled one of the bowls with luke warm tap water and disolved a quarter cup of sea salt in it. They they open a can of cat food and put it in a frying pan and seared it on high heat until it was charred black and stank and the room was all smokey, then they put the hot burnt catfood in the water and then squished it around and rubbed it on my face. All the while the writers were yelling "this is Jin - burnt meat soaked in salt water. He's dead, Jin is dead!" They were screaming in my ears like they were really angry.

Then the actor took a big handful of it and rubbed it in my eyes and the salt made my eyes sting and he was screeching "this is me! Charred black burnt dead meat! Dead! Jin is so fucking dead and I'm out of a job but I have to sit around for two years and wait in case they need me for a flashback. I'm fucking DEAD!!!"

And that's how I went blind, doctor.

So Christian released Michael from is island curse...he redeems himself...by replacing the 2 lives he took in Ana & Libby with Sun & Jin...ooops! Oh well...Glad Harrold Perrineau got the chance to come back and give Michael some closure....but seemed like a lil bit of a waste...which could be attributed to the 3 episodes we lost to the writer's strike.

Speaking of which...THEY WERE GONNA TELL THIS SAME STORY ARC WITH 3 MORE EPISODES?!!! Kinda glad the strike happened! Can't see much more we needed fleshed out...maybe a lil peek at where Claire headed off to.

Speakin of which...In complete agreement with those of you peeved that Chaw-lee may have died in vain. I guess Des's vision of Claire's rescue has just been "delayed"...otherwise...the writer's have committed a huge ass gaffe, IMO.

LOVED the Sayid vs Keamy kick ass fight. Think both of them were a lil surprised they had each met their match. Glad it wasn't Alpert killing Keamy...but Ben getting Alex's revenge...But still...in agreement again with those who found the Keamy shows up alive n well at the Orchid...then proceeds to pull the "James Bond Villain" mistake of explaining too much...then letting his gaurd down...a trained bad ass mercenary taking OFF his Kevlar? I'm sorry...that was the worst scene of the finale by far.

Loved Team Alpert's taking of the helicopter firefight...and the return of the tazer darts.

I thought the Des n Penny reunion was well done...Those kids are gonna have it rough soon, tho. Can't wait to see the Desmond/Sayid standoff when it's time to take out Penny. Will he turn on Ben?...ala Vadar on Palpatine?

OK...My theories that were completely killed by the finale. (Yes...I'm admitting my ERRORS...Not my correct guesses!)

1. Nobody forced them to lie! I had predicted that Oceanic/Widmore would have held the lives of those who stayed behind hostage, in return for the 0-6 survivors silence. In a way...that IS what is happening...but the "lie" was all Jack's idea!!

2. Saywer didn't die. Totally thought that boy was gonna eat it tonight. Guess they still need a hunk on the island next season....am I correct, ladies?

3. Michael ain't in that coffin! Wow...I so thought he would be in there. Oh well...blown to tiny bits works ok for me, too. RIP Ana & Libby.

4. Vincent never appeared in the finale. That sucked ass!

Ok...gotta hit the hay. Thought it was great...not as mindblowing as last seasons'...but...fer cryin out loud...how were they gonna top the first forward flash?

One must wonder, how did that frozen donkey wheel get there? Dharma? really people? I'm having trouble understanding the mechanisms and the physical..physics of the wheel itself.

There were five redshirts in Locke's camp - three we saw killed on screen by snipers and two - Steve and an unnamed female - who were abandoned. They may have been killed by Keamy's mercs or not.

Cindy the stewardess was taken captive by the others and was last seen on the other island taking care of the kidnapped tail section children Zach and Emma.

Juliet said she wouldn't leave the island until everyone else was off - that doesn't mean everyone else was off. Actually, it implies the opposite. The people on the freighter were seen putting on life vests and readying life rafts but were not seen in the water as the freighter sank - probably dead. Farady and the group on Faraday's raft was not seen as the raft sank - but they were already off and they also weren't shown sinking, so they may be alive.

So as many as five 815ers from Faraday's raft, three tailie redshirts taken captive by the Others and two 815ers from Locke's group who were not shown being killed all MAY be alive. That's approximately ten. More IF any were still with Juliet, charlotte and Miles. They may ALL be dead, they may all be alive - no proof has been provided to support either conjecture.

Whether Charlotte is a time traveler or not, she must be integral to the bad things that are going to happen. Either that or Jacob is angry Jack left. maybe both.

Jin was on the freighter with enough C4 to sink an aircraft carrier, he was seen on the deck after the helicopter took off, the ship exploded, the deck was consumed with flames, the freighter sank, no one was seen in the water as the chopper flew away, Sun saw him die, later she visited his grave, read his tombstone and openly wept in despair. How does that possibly translate to "obviously still alive?'

"Why are the Oceanic Six lying, who told them to lie, who made up the cover story?" Well, obviously they're lying to protect the people still on the island. Jack told them to lie because Locke told him to lie because it's the only way to protect everyone on the island. Jack made up the lie.

Does the rip in Benjamin's sleeve have anything to do with how Dr. Candle lost his arm? Does the act of teleportation involve extremely low temperatures. Well, no, Benjamin fell down a ladder in a room so cold the rusted metal turned brittle and shattered and he tore his sleeve on the jagged metal. Ben's way off the island may involve teleporting, but we have not seen that yet. The frigid temperatures in the cavern may involve the teleporter, or magnetic flux or resonance, but we haven't seen that yet.

"WTF is a Frozen Donkey Wheel"? Be honest, how many of you read that phrase and envisioned frozen donkeys? A wheel is a wheel, a machine to be turned. A donkey wheel is a wheel that can be turned by a strong animal. A Frozen donkey wheel is one that's been immobilized, in this case literally by being frozen and icy.

Simple answers to complex questions.

When I heard so long ago that the cover story was that there were eight survivors of the crash but only the Oceanic six got off the island, I assumed that there were two dead. When they showed the enhanced episode with the extended press conference footage and Jack said that Boone, Charlie and Libby survived, I momentarily thought he made a gaffe the reporters would pick up on.

Stupid me, math was never my strong suit. 8 survivors minus three dead plus one baby born equals Oceanic Six. Fess up, did anyone else stumble over that point, or am I the group's Math moron?

Ahhh... the poor, poor nitpickers with their petty jelousy of the shows success. Man they are REALLY reaching now.

WHAT TIME TRAVEL ?

Until I see it confirmed all these bizzarro theories are just that THEORIES. With the most probable Time travel one being the Adam and Eve corpses who always looked spookily important.

Oh! and whats that feature about John Locke that lets us know he was chosen from the very INSTANT he arrived on the Island ? The Island can HEAL. No Time Travel needed. And that assumes Locke will be resurected somehow after that point in time because he might not. John Locke has 3 YEARS of Island life to go through so Duh! perhaps we might just see a little bit of that ????

Besides we still know next to nothing about Jacob, the Temple the Volcano, the Smoke Monster, so there might JUST be a little more to figure out than some Time Travel Theory.

BTW Kudos to the guy who thinks Michael Emerson is "Hammy" ! Genuine LOL moment there as I read that completly moronic horseshit. Also well done for not spotting Jack's Liver was about to fall out hence Mathew Fox might not have been as sprightly as you might imagine.

Besides those who are frothing at the mouth speculating about how good or bad the end (2 fucking series away)is, have completely missed the point anyway as this season has been enjoyable throughout (bar Frenchy's death)and at no time did I feel I had to be spoonfed all the answers immediatly so good was the storytelling and the acting.

Gonna be a Looooong 8 months or so though. One of the best TV shows of recent times is STILL hitting hard with no sign of stopping.

4 Toed statue and carved Smoke Monster control cave says ancient civilisation on the island though the "Wheel" could just as easily be Black Rock era.

Loved Ben's line about "Time Traveling Bunnies"

So where and more importently when - diod the Island go? And if Locke is back and dead is it back in the present? And did Sun have Locke killed? Is she now EVOL?!

Gaaaaaaaaaaah! 8 months!!!!!!!

Of course, whether he died in VAIN... well, that's debatable, I suppose. I mean, Aaron did make it off the island... and that never would have happened had Charlie not taken care of the jamming mechanism on The Looking Glass station.

Charlotte could have been somehow born on the island. So her parents may have been DHARMA people.

My crazy theory: Charles Widmore was the original captain of the Black Rock. His crew mutinied, led by Richard, and kicked Widmore off the island, leaving him (and his loyal servant/assistant Abbadon) in the mid-20th century.

Michael and Jin are dead.

Yep, you got some hero there, boy. In denial much?

I'll give Jacko points for saving Sayid's life though. He shot the heck out of Keamy's armor. Stunned him good.

I hope it's not the end of Desmond's character on the show. Ben did say all of them which probably includes Desmond and the helicopter pilot.

I can see a bunch of youtube videos with the time traveling bunny now coming soon.

http://tinyurl.com/5h5vbv

Be a drag if it went to Antarctica - I don't think anyone dressed for it.

Juliet said she wouldn't leave until everyone was off - which tends to imply that NOT everyone was off yet.

There were people with vests and rafts evacuating the freighter before it blew up, but none seen when the chopper flew around as the freighter sank, so they probably didn't survive.

There were probably five people on the raft with Daniel heading back to the island which probably went whereever the island went.

There were five redshirts at Locke's camp at New Otherton - we saw three get shot so the other two - Steve and an unidentified woman - are MIA and presumed dead - maybe.

The Others captured Cindy the stewardess during the Tailies march to the beach. She was last seen on the small Other island taking care of Zach and Emma, the tailie children the Others kidnapped.

Since I did not see Cindy or the children with the others with Richard alpert, i assume there must be a few others left on the other small island with cindy and the children. Does anyone know if any of the members of Juliet's book club were seen with Alperts group?

Anyway, there are one or two groups of others, there are 815ers with Juliet along with Rose, Bernard, Charlotte and Miles from the Freighter. Possibly two survivors from Locke's group (unlikely). Possibly five on the raft with Faraday. Possible (very unlikely) some survivors of the Freighter explosion/sinking. Sawyer and Juliet.

Oh, and Keamy had four men left in his team - did we see them ALL die or are one or two of them still out in the jungle?

Oh, and ghosty Christian and Claire at jacob's cabin.

I'm thinking that the island is not as depopulated as it might seem.

There are still people who can't accept that Jin was standing on the deck of the freighter as it burst into flames and sank, sho why assume any of these other characters are dead yet if we didn't see them die?

And what about Jin's Other Panda, last seen riding away in a taxi!?!

It seems pretty clear to me that the "donkey wheel" room is part of an older layer of island inhabitance that has nothing to do with Dharma, and that Dharma built the Orchid over the pre-existing temple. (Probably the same is true for the 4-toed statue).

I am still trying to figure out why the O6 are claiming that there were originally 3 more survivors who died before they could be rescued. What purpose does that particular lie serve? If they were going to expand the lie to include extra people, I would think a good use for it would be to say that Claire had been one of the extra survivors who died before they were rescued, and that she had died in childbirth. That way, they wouldn't have to pretend that Kate was 6 months pregnant at the time of the crash (which evidence could pop up to contradict) and that a baby which is not related to her is her son (which evidence could pop up to contradict). But, as it is, what purpose does the 'there were others who didn't make it' lie serve?

If the O6 have become world-famous and recognizeable, how come the Walt story hasn't leaked out? He's living with his grandmother, presumably under his real name, going to school, interacting with people, etc. But after 815 crashed, you would think that his whole family and everyone who knew him would have constantly been thinking about how Walt was on the plane, talking about it to their friends, spreading the word--making a big enough deal about it that when Walt shows back up, it would be impossible to keep the lid on it anymore.

So who knows not only where, but when the island travelled to? Someone (Jack?) said in last night's episode that Locke/Bentham had first contacted him "about a month ago". Maybe the island travelled forward in time to about a month before the Jack and the coffin scene (late 2007/early 2008 if the 'three years' report is accurate).

If that is the case, then next season the Jack/coffin timeline could be the new "present" (with flashbacks to fill us in on what else the O6 and friends have been doing in the interim) and we won't be missing any time for the people on the island except that one month (which could also be filled in by flashbacks).

Alternately, Season 5's "present" could be the time immediately after the O6 are rescued (early 2005), and we could continue having flash-forwards to show us the "future" (early 2008, with beardy Jack and the coffin).

But I think that would get a little tedious--we have a pretty good idea what the O6 have been doing in their time off, and the real story we want to get on with is the one with Jack needing to gather people and get back to the island. That needs to be the main storyline (the "present"), and the details about Locke meeting with them and dying can be the flashbacks.

Of course, there is no reason why there *have* to be flash-backs/forwards next season at all...

And I love how the device Ben used to move the Island has already been dubbed with the moniker, "Donkey Wheel". Man, you gotta love the internet.

BTW, I'm reading the posts now and will post a few things later.

Question I have is if Faraday and the raft weren't sucked into "moving day", then how do the red shirts on the raft know to lie when/if they are rescued?

Juliet runs up beach to meet Kate, wearing a tank-top, leaning forward slightly as she runs.

Kate, wearing a tank-top, comes to meet her.

KATE: Hold on a second, Juliet. I have to tie my shoe.

Kate, still wearing the above-mentioned tank-top, leans forward to tie her shoe.

JULIET: Hold on, Kate. While you were leaning forward to tie your shoe just now, something fell out of your pocket. Let me bend down and get it for you.

Suddenly, the Smoke Monster appears to them as Shannon in a bikini.

And SCENE.

Silly Dharma Experiments

Dharma in all their wisdom, were able to move a bunny ahead in time milliseconds. If you think about it, the frozen donkey wheel without being frozen is a relec from ancient times (I'll come back to this later). When Ben turned it he and his parka and his cut arm vanished. In a previous episode Ben and his parka and his cut arm show up in a desert. And low and behold, he's got some vapor coming off of him.

When you go from freezing cold to extreme desert heatwith no buffer, vapor will rise from you too.

Then Ben shows up at a hotel desk and asks the date...wanting to find out the year.

Yes, there is time travel. But...

This is minor folks. It's dressing to make this journey fun. The real clue as to what the show is was at the end.

He said things had gone bad on the island and I was the reason.

If Jack has not been on the island in 3 years, why is it his fault. More to the point, why does Jack believe it's his fault?

Because Jack is Locke's balance.

Locke is faith. A ruler cannot lead by faith alone. Just because one believes something to be true, that does not make it true...or false, for that matter. Because Locke will lead from a standpoint of faith only, he will be a bad leader. In his heart he knew that, and that's why he asked Jack to stay. And because he led that way, things went bad on the island. And because his "balance"...his constant, per se, left him, it's the balanace's fault.

Now, let's go back to the donkey wheel. That ancient relic. That aincient relic that somehow can make an island vanish...move.

It was ancient, wasn't it? Why and how could something so time dated cause such a "god-like" event? What in those times where this ancient artifact would have been used...been common place...coulc make such a primative relic do such an incredible thing?

OMG...The gods!! They would use ancient tools. They were capable of spectacular acheivements.

So if you're looking for what is to come, consider this. Faith and reason will have to balance out in order for things that went bad on the island to be corrected. Seems like a big problem if you consider...

Faith/Locke appears to be dead

Reason/Jack has to convince everyone to go back

Kate has been told by a dead Claire vision not to take Aaron back

Sun looks to be hooking up with Widmore

Sayid and Hurley are at an undiclosed location

In order to set things straight, Jack has to team up with a lying, coniving bug eyed bastard he can't trust.

Sounds like a hell of a journey, huh?

One more thing. Why did things go bad on the island? Well, in addition to Locke being a bad leader, Juliet and Sawyer think freighter went boom with Jack and Sun and Jin and so forth all on the ship. So they're all dead...except their not. Then the island moved and they realize all this stuff that went down this year with the rescue and non-rescue and the mercenaries et al could possibly be balmed on whoever it was they think moved the island. And his name is...

Faith Alone

How about the sci-fi aspect being explained with the power of the gods. I know some of you would be disappointed, but I like it.

LOVED the opening scene -- it was great to take it back to the finale from last year and continue. One thing I'm still curious about... Kate mentioned the horrible THINGS that happened that day -- the only horrible thing I really saw was jin getting killed when the boat exploded... I wonder if there is more to that than they have shown yet.

Re: Michael -- Yes, he's definitely dead... BUT as we all know in Lost you're NEVER dead once you've been to the island... he can always come back as an island spirit in the future.

Re: Charlie's Vision that everyone's pissed off about -- here's my take. First, Charlie didn't die for nothing -- Aaron still got off the island, and Claire ended up where she's supposed to be -- as far as his vision being wrong, where'd the vision come from? The vision came from the island. It is what Charlie NEEDED to see in order to make the sacrifice he did. So the island deceived Charlie to a higher moral purpose -- the island took John Locke's philosophy!!! The vision was a partial truth that got the result the island wanted.

Re: The Sayyid/keamy fight -- the second I saw him get shot in the back I was thinking 'isn't he wearing a bulletproof vest????' Then they convinced me he was dead w/ the open eye shot... then he's back to life shortly after. Seriously tho you shoot someone with a bulletproof vest on you'd think you made darn well sure he was really dead.

Re: Desmond/Penny -- yes it will get rough but I think in the end there's no way the writer's take Penny out -- Other than Ben killing keamy he has generally only killed out of necessity -- ultimately he will get his revenge in another way and leave Penny out of it, but probably after they have a story arc about him trying to kill her

Re: Who has to go back -- I don't think Des and Lapidus count as they didn't come in on 815, Des was already there and Lapidus is a recent arrival.

I agree of course Locke comes back to life when he gets back to the island. Also, I'm not even sure someone killed him -- perhaps he's in a catatonic, death like state that the island decided to put him in until Jack brought him back to the island. You never know with lost :) Also, the island would never let Locke die outside the island (remember how it prevented Michael from dieing) -- so whatever this death is, it is island sanctioned ;)

Notice the hieroglyphics on the stones when Ben went to move the island? This means people have been on the island for thousands of years, since the beginning of recorded history since those kinds of hieroglyphs were the first style of writing. Definitely falls into the Eden theory.

My new theory: The island is a collective consciousness of spirits that are trapped there due to the 'strange matter.' That's why when the shit goes down on the island, you hear the whispering. That's why things like healing are selective (the island decides). That's why the island CHOOSES whether you can go back to the island or not... the island makes decisions for itself. I think jacob is just a respresentation of the island's overall consciousness and Christian is the current spokesperson.

SOLID, good finale - not a mindbender, but that was hard to make with all the flashforwarding -- I do agree it made a lot of stuff anticlimactic (like the Jack-appendix episode -- how could he NOT survive we've already seen him in the future). Those who are saying they are making this up a few episodes in advance don't do your reading. They the broad arcs and story lines plotted out to the series finale -- I predict one of the best finales ever only because most finales they plan at the very end when the series has been cancelled. This finale is thought out YEARS in advance. The only anticlimactic thing about the finale is that almost everything should already be revealed by then -- the only thing that may not be at that point is what the island actually is (eden theory, etc).

Also everyone sure loves smokie... I'm ready for a comeback of the dinosaur like (well that's how I imagine it) monster from the first few episodes! Much scarier than smokey.

The boat with Faraday -- you don't see it in the water after the island disappears -- I predict they disappear and reappear where the island is and that they are also on the island now the last 3 years stuck with everyone else.

Speaking of the helicopter, that must be the slowest helicopter ever.. it seems like they were flying for minutes and never got more than a mile or so from the island :) By the time sawyer jumped they would have been MILES off the island.

Also, who is Kate going back to?? Is sawyer off the island in 3 years and it hasn't been revealed or what? If Locke can get off why not sawyer.

I think what Christian told him was You can go now. Not go home. Not die. And maybe I'm wrong about this, but wasn't it said he had to return to the island to die (might have been island won't let you die)? If he has to return to the island, and if the island can project Christian and Libby on the freighter, might the island not be able to retrive people too?

Dead? I dunno....

Could use some new drapes, but I like it...

;->

Harry needs to stop blaming is lack of any career outside of lost on the fact that he was cast in the role of a bad guy. Just in case anyone isn't aware, this isnt exactly his first acting role - it just happens the be the only one anybody ever remembers.

I, along with most of you, assumed the "he" was Widmore or something. Like they had some kind of arrangement not to kill each other's daughters...sounds kind of silly now that I think about it. But the answer is so obvious I don't know how I missed it before.

In "he changed the rules" the "he" isn't Widmore or Keamy - it's Jacob. Ben was under the impression he (and by extension, Alex) was in the favor of Jacob or was needed for "work to do" and no matter what they wouldn't actually die - just like Michael couldn't die. But this understanding Ben had with the island went out the window when Alex was killed.

In "Cabin Fever" Ben has completely accepted his destiny that he is no longer the island's chosen leader, John Locke is. He has been suspecting this for some time but he became 100% sure when the island broke the rules and allowed Alex to die. He even said that the island doesn't want him anymore since it gave him cancer and killed his daughter.

subscription television still lingers around the 50% level for installation to US homes. Of that 50%, less than half subscribe to any premium packages (HBO is not on any basic cable plans). Of that 25% of US homes that have HBO, even if two thirds of them watch that particular show, its in the realm of 10% to 15% of US homes watching Harold be a marvelous and amazing actor on OZ.

He's not quite hit the 'big time', and needs to stop acting like he's a terribly insulted Barrymore patriarch whose been asked to take a walk-on role at a dinner theater presentation of Oliver. He's a dime-a-dozen character actor who plays himself all over Hollywood on limited access cable shows, and in movies nobody buys tickets to see. He got a huge break with Lost and got to demonstrate that when it comes to yelling out a kid's name in a jungle, he's got that Midas Touch. Nobody will ever be able to utter the line WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!" again without the inevitable comparison to such a fine actor.

Its a shame he's going to cash out his chips in the midst of a bitter temper tantrum because he's cast member number, what are we up to now? Twelve?... to die.

He needs to check his ego at the airport when he leaves Hawaii because Im not sure it will fit into the carry-on bin.

Makes me wonder again about the theories that one of the guys on that listening post might have been Jack.

oh and for you extra-stupid ones, the reason is because you can then move the island and ta-da, the polar bear is the one that can never return. poor little polar bear.

as to how - right because Im sure that the little tunnel is the only way to get in there - and that they actually forged that gigantic metal wheel INSIDE THAT HOLE because its bigger than the tunnel.

If this thread is to reach 10k posts, it needs to stop being so god damned retarded.

As for making this a black issue, come on. It's completely uncalled for and fairly unprofessional of him to be pulling out shit like that. There is a range of ethnicities in the show, and Walt and Rose are some of the most well-liked characters on the show.

That being said, Darlton should have been more upfront about him coming back and his death. It should have been something they talked about before he came on board, though I wonder if he would have taken it up if that was the case? It seems like he's got a bit of an ego, this one.

If polar bears aren't used for the wheel, why is there a dead one in Tunisia with a dharma collar on it? Instead of the plausible "someone used it to turn the wheel during 'the incident' " theory, feel free to keep cooking up some of the most insane lunatic ramblings you can muster. Yeah alien spaceships thats the ticket

And yeah its a secret - still doesn't explain why the holding pens for the polar bears used to turn the wheel are location on AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ISLAND. "oh hey there's animal cages - somebody must be keeping some kind of portal a secret, right?" "uh no the pens are on a different island." "oh okay then, guess there must not be any secret portals anywhere since clearly they're all caged on some other island."

stupid

Lets see we have a polar bear skeleton in a region of the country that happens to be where Ben winds up after turning a wheel that is in a frozen tundra of a cavern, but yeah you must be right - it couldn't have been that a polar bear was used down there. that would just make waay too much sense, amirite?

this whole thread has enough C-retard to stupid up an entire aircraft carrier.

I think Ben learned from "the incident" long ago...that if you put metal in the teleport pod...it transfers the mojo outside the pod room.

The same way Supes reversed the mojo on Lex Luthor and Zod and sucked out their power while restoring his own.

I think Ben knew releasing the energy into the Orchid...then spinning the Donkey Wheel...would transfer him far further than a few milliseconds into the future.

I think when he said it's unpredictable & dangerous to move the island...I think he meant:

Unpredictable = time travel

Dangerous = Can destroy the island

Ben had no idea where he would land in the future...time or place-wise...and "bad things" happened to the island after he left.

Well, jackass, that's why you're not writing it... because if LOST was written by someone like Harold Perrineau, then everyone's story would just tie up nicely and the show would have ended after two seasons.

It reminds me of Season 3 when Naveen Andrews was complaining about limited screen time even though he was getting PAID as a regular whether he had many lines or none. Have you ever seen what regular cast members get paid in a show like LOST? It's more than most people make in a year or more!! (Not that I'm for less Sayid or that the writer's have neglected him this season... hell he's one of the Oceanic Six and he had a kick-ass fight scene with Keamy in the finale!!).

In any case, I'm sure Perrineau was compensated nicely for his return to the show. But, as far as I'm concerned, he's tainted any "legacy" he had as an actor by badmouthing the Darlton.

Plus... I may be the only one who finds this amusing... but remember how Harold Perrineau was cast in "The Matrix: Reloaded" as Link because Marcus Chong (aka Tank) pissed off the Wachowski brothers? Maybe Perrineau pissed off Darlton at some point before or after his season 4 return... so they decided to just get rid of him.

Perhaps Perrineau should have learned something about not biting the hand that feeds you (aka the writers who decide your character's fate!!!) from his experience in the Matrix sequels.

But when Charlotte found that polar bear in Tunisia, she knew what she was looking for. She wasn't at all surprised.

And, yes, no one is arguing that regular actors in hit shows get paid a ton of money.

But, I think it's kind of selfish to complain about screen time when you're part of an ensemble cast. If "Lost" were "The Harold Perrineau Show"... well, that's a different story. But it's not... and he should just be grateful he got 2 1/2 seasons of work on one of the coolest shows ever. It's a helluva lot more than Ian Somerhalder and Maggie Grace got!!

Next season we will obv see the 3 years flashback with the remainder of the island ppl and prob see real time with the oceanic six and etc.

so basically we will see Locke leave the island to come to the 6 and try to get them to go back.

Sayid says "they said it was a suicide" with a yea i dont believe that shit expression. So he was prob killed right?

who would kill him?

My money is on Sun

So at the season finale of next year we will see Locke get killed by Sun (end of the 3 yr flashback) and a cut to her now going back to the island having arrangements with Widmore and whatever. Like her turning now evil or something

Michael

Didn't Ben have a list of people for Michael?

Yes, probably the science team

Why was Michael even aboard the boat if Widemore was just gonna blow it up?

Widmore had not intention of blowing up the boat, that was Keamy's idea. In fact, if the boat were blown up, how would he transport Ben back?

How did the Helicopter show up to the boat in "real time", and not a day later?

By using bearing 305 and avoiding any time dilation.

Got anymore? Be glad to help anyone else

So they did do Sawyer and Des alternate endings in the coffin. Very cool. I wish they had leaked that instead of the correct one. I am so glad Des made it, however!

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I apologize if this is a repost - I have only made it 1/2 through the awesome feedback here since last night.

Here, and in the last episode I realised I am continually seeing things I thought I would have to wait a lot longer to see. The Oceanic 6 coming home, the aftermath of the 'we have to go back', the coffin, Desmond/Penny, etc. I'm glad that Alan Dale is in Spamalot, because there is something cool about seeing them film in London proper.

Also I believe that Penny has to die. Otherwise Desmond will end up in that bad place where characters have all their loose ends tied up. Apart from 'The Constant' he has basically contributed nothing this season apart from the odd 'What ya doin' Sayid man?' line on the freighter. I think Penny has to die, and he has to seek revenge for the character to have any kind of emotional journey.

It was nice to see Walt back, but I'm not really sure he added any.

Oh and Kudos to the writers for actually having the guts to show a man push a large wheel and then for the island do disappear. Imagine if you knew that was going to happen back in Season 1. On paper it sounds horrible, and tbh I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced but it was pretty gutsy. I also liked how even though everything strange/supernatural has some ambiguity to it, they made a point that Jack could come up with no explanation for it. You can argue that Mr Friendly swapped the gun, etc, but really there can be no coincedence/other explanation for an island disappearing.

Then again, to be honest as a writer they know Charlie had to sacrifice his life and the only motiviation he would ever have for this is if it helps Claire. Then they just explain it with a throw-away line, future changes, Desmond was wrong,etc, etc.

Or maybe Desmond is a lying scoundrel, and saw a vision of himself getting off the plane.

Oh and also my favourite line of the finale - Sawyer calling Frank 'Kenny Rodgers'.

LOCKE: "Yeah?..Well...You put a gun to my head and pulled the trigger, Jack".

ZING!!! So glad he threw that in Mr. Hero's face. Classic.

There were a lot of quickly tied-up loose ends that whipped past us in this ep... Like when Kate asked: "Is that it? we can leave the island?" Considering that for 4 seasons Ben and the Others have been doing everything in their considerable power to prevent just that from happening...

So Locke finally becomes the leader of the Others, a big switcheroo, even if we did see it coming, still a huge deal for the losties, and the show. If I were him, the first order of business would have been "what the FLYING FUCK is this place???" And so on. BUt nope, we still have to wait until next frigging year to find out anything more, even though Locke is standing right there, with the Others willing and ready to answer all his questions.

Love the show, but one little hint from Alpert might have been nice. Something tasty for us to chew on for the next 50 weeks.

The "wheel" (there were NO Donkeys OR Polar bears in that room. I'm sure we would have all saw them) operates something (fairly obviously) something BEHIND the wall that glowed as it activated so it's not the "wheel" that transports the Island it's the Mechanism that takes advantage of the negatively charged exotic matter and we don't know WHAT that is.

Ben has travelled to Tunisia before presumably via the "wheel" but not necessarily. He said as much to the Hotel receptionist and it's why he was a "valued" guest.

I find it revealing that we never QUITE heard exactly what happens to things shifted forward in time. Yes the bunny APPEARS to vanish for a brief period but what actually happens is... (rewind..)Was the Island shifted exactly as long as Ben was shifted in Time ? Seems logical but not sure.

BTW Good call Prof. Pop cult. I always said that Richard Alpert had a "piratey" Black Rock look about him and suspected he hailed from there but Widmore as the Captain who was a victim of a Mutiny. Nice ! I think that rings true.

What I'm wondering is how the "very bad things" occur. Purely Bad Leadership from Locke ? Can't see it myself. There must be some opposing force to spark the chaos. Perhaps Widmore, perhaps something else.

Not sure about Sun's target of Vengeance. Jack says he thinks she blames HIM. If "Bentham visited Sun and told her what Ben did to Keamy (though why would he?) she would surely blame Ben. But it was Widmore who sent Keamy so he could be blamed too. Sun is a wild card now I think.

You certainly don't NEED to like LOST but don't be surprised when those who do like it point out WHY they think it's currently the best thing on TV.

The Wire is finished. BSG is very good but not quite up there with LOST.

I'd also be more open to these "critiques" if they posited the better option. i.e. "LOST isn't as good as show-A because." (admittedly someone did try that but made the eccentric mistake of placing Prson Break as the better show ! (much hilarity ensued)). Or even how THEY would personaly replot the show and make the "better" choices.

Feel free to disagree as these are of course MY views but I prefer REASONS solid REASONS as to why this show isn't as good as so many clearly think it is. Nitpicking over every single line and plot detail no matter how trivial, particularly those things that are clearly THEORIES and SPECULATION doesn't cut it for me personally.

Rock Solid acting with a great unpredictable evolving story pleases me even if, as we see here, it will never please some.

Ben did shut things down for his own reasons for a while, that's all.

P.S. Faraday's dingy was inside the temporal zone and was "moved" with the Island or the Heli would probably have spotted it.

We know from the S4 finale that Locke visited the 06, so he left the island...did Juliet, Sawyer etc travel with him? As "the new Ben" is Locke now an enemy of the Losties?

Locke can leave the island but Michael took the Others boat and Locke blew up the boat. Is Desmonds boat still around? I suppose Locke could have used that...which brings up another point...

I think it was during the Ben Flash Forward....didn't Ben tell Sayid that he used Desmonds boat to get off the island? We now know of course that Ben teleported through time and space and that's how he left...so Ben lied to Sayid.

Did Mr. Friendly use Desmonds boat to get off the island when he was contacting Michael?

Is Desmonds boat even still around...which, again, is another thing...if his boat is still around, why didn't the Losties just use that to transport people off the island once they had the course bearing needed from Faraday?

Anyways, great episode...I loved how Sayid killed the guy in the car...the guy was just saying "Eight Fifteen"...nice.

As for what everything means...I think that we can narrow the overall theories down to aliens or time travel from future humans though the sheer basic look of the Frozen Donkey Wheel and ancient writing doesn't rule out the possibility of an ancient civilisation like Atlantis.

Or maybe the island is the 13th colony of Kobol :P

Will the island ever be explained? Or maybe the real question is...should it? By the way, I want to throw a theory out there..."We have to go back!!!!!"

What if...and bear with me here...what if Jack doesn't just mean that they have to go back to the island...what if he means they have to go...BACK IN TIME??? Great Scott!!!!!!

What if they have to go back in time and stop whatever bad thing happens on the island in Season 5?

Just a theory...probably way off...but at least we now have an idea of what the final 2 seasons will be about.

S5 will be about the remaining people on the island after it moved and the three years up to the point where S4 ends, as well as the story of Jack and Ben trying to get the other O6 people to return to the island.

S6 will then be about getting back to the island, fixing whatever needs to be fixed and wrapping up the storylines.

Frankly, there is a part of me that would prefer S5 to be the last season, and then to wrap it up with a couple of TV movies, though it all depends on how much story there is to tell.

The first 4 seasons have been pretty much continuous, each episode being either a few hours or a day. Season 5 is going to follow a different structure, they have 3 years to fill in 30 hours (2 seasons) which makes me believe that the focus will switch to present day.

Instead of following the island in relative real time, we will follow the O6 in relative real time and flash back to the island at various points, which will fill in the three years.

Oh and Charlotte is Charles Widemores daughter, that he has while on the island...then he leaves for whatever reason, sticks her in an orphanage or something and moves on.

Was Charlotte conceived on the island? Past history suggests No, but maybe Charlotte was the only child to have been conceived and born there, albeit with the mother dying in childbirth.

In any case, that's my theory...Charlotte is Charles' daughter and Penny's half sister.

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Bombadier: "There's nothing down there - no island!"

Navigator: "Look, these are the proper co-ordinates, this is where we're paid to drop the food, so just drop it and let's go home."

I do have a Mp4 created of Parts 1-3 of the Finale if someone would like it (500MB file). I'll post a link as soon as I put it up.