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Indiana Jones IV - You've Seen It? What'd ya think?

First by NoDiggity	May 21st, 2008 11:47:47 PM
How Sweet it is
Second by NoDiggity	May 21st, 2008 11:49:15 PM
Is pretty sweet too
Third by NoDiggity	May 21st, 2008 11:49:32 PM
times the charm
fourth timesa lady by Prossor	May 21st, 2008 11:49:51 PM

Fourth by NoDiggity	May 21st, 2008 11:50:03 PM
I got nothin
Temple of Doom is better than Last Crusade by Prossor	May 21st, 2008 11:50:48 PM
you will be a true believer, hah hah hah hah
Damn you Prosser. Ruined my streak! by NoDiggity	May 21st, 2008 11:51:10 PM

SHORTY, chao shi, latsu sansa by Prossor	May 21st, 2008 11:52:06 PM
hang on lady ,we going for a ride!
MOLA RAM, prepare to meet kali! by Prossor	May 21st, 2008 11:52:42 PM
in HELL!
can't wait by El Borak	May 21st, 2008 11:54:47 PM
til tomorrow.
took some kids to a early run all loved it. by postalpez	May 21st, 2008 11:55:09 PM
5,6,7,13, and I'm 27. glad they got in to it the same way i did when i was a rugrat
btw by El Borak	May 21st, 2008 11:55:40 PM
i like them all equally. and ford will be on conan in a minute.
I just got back by red_weed	May 22nd, 2008 12:03:50 AM
my friends were all nit picking it afterwards but i dunno, i liked it. yeah some of it was ridiculous, a lot moreso than in previous movies, but hey it was entertaining. pity they shot so much on sets to keep all the secrecy. You could kinda tell. Also Kaminski's photography still feels way out of place with me. And Idny doesn't do as much action in this one, but hey, that's kinda to be expected right? Yeah I liked it.
Lame by PotSmokinAlien	May 22nd, 2008 12:05:30 AM
Dude, this is fucking weak. When I see articles like this I feel like I'm looking at "Hey since there are so many reviews of IJATKOTCS on this site here is a place for everyone to put their talkback opinions and, more importantly, for the people who have marketed this movie to check in and see how it's doing with that 'geek' demographic some delightful person decided to devote the entirety of hollywood to." It Cool News Dot Com. And that makes me feel bummed out.
Geeks with no life... by JackIsLost	May 22nd, 2008 12:05:42 AM
Hate it and complain about EVERYTHING. Everyone else loved it. That's all.
Really enjoyed it. by Novaman5000	May 22nd, 2008 12:06:00 AM
It could have been a disaster, but it was pretty great.
This movie was fucking awful. by Cruel_Kingdom	May 22nd, 2008 12:09:25 AM
Harry, did you and I see the same movie? WTF?
Idny? I mean indy.. by red_weed	May 22nd, 2008 12:09:35 AM
Also Temple of Doom is still my favorite.
It felt like an Indy movie by Crow3711	May 22nd, 2008 12:10:27 AM
and that is its greatest accomplishment. If you really think about it, most of the stuff that happens isn't that much more ridiculous than anything in previous films. It had that same great Indiana Jones feeling, it isn't my favorite, but all I really wanted was to be able to say I'm glad they made, and I can say that with ease. Even a "good" Indy movie is leagues better than most anything else. I give it a heart-felt "yay."
PotSmokinAlien, Harry usually puts one up for the Big Ones. by NoDiggity	May 22nd, 2008 12:11:34 AM
And this film is a Big One, in terms of Interest.
NoDiggity by PotSmokinAlien	May 22nd, 2008 12:16:14 AM
I like the way you work it, ::no diggity:: I got to bag ::I got to bag it up:: it up yeah / I like the way you work it, ::No diggity:: I gots to bag it up ::duh nu nuh nuh nuhhh::
Wow, this sounds less than stellar... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 12:17:10 AM
I have a feeling Cruel_Kingdom has just written the most truthful review yet. It's too bad everyone wasn't shanking and crying.
It reminded me of a story my old grandpa would tell by joeelliott	May 22nd, 2008 12:17:57 AM
an old man's Embellished recollection of something that you know never happened - the other Indy films were like untold tales from the pages of History.
Just got back from it. by Gilkuliehe	May 22nd, 2008 12:18:12 AM
I tried not to get my expectations through the roof for this one, and even though I have minor nitpicks, I truly thank Spielberg and Lucas for making me forget about everything else surrounding this movie and given me A GODDAMN INDIANA JONES MOVIE. Seriously, there were moments of pure fucking joy: the nuclear test site, that 50's fight, motorcycle chase, even the ridiculous tarzan sequence was great (well, everything around the tarzan sequence). Minor complaints: Silly jokes, so little violence and darkness (all other three movies seem R rated by comparisson), weak ending (there wasn't a single HOLY SHIT moment for me in the ending, whereas even DOOM had plenty) and... Well that's it. I completely loved the rest of the movie, and I had a steel smile on my face for 80% of the footage shown. That's more than enough for me and I plan to see this at least three more times in a movie theater. We have a real INDIANA FUCKING JONES movie playing RIGHT FUCKING NOW. And for that, I thank both beards and everyone else involved. Cheers.
I loved the film by therobcat	May 22nd, 2008 12:19:37 AM
I went it frightened of watching another beloved childhood memory gutted before my eyes, but was happy to find a true Indy experience. While I too hated the monkey-Shia bit, could have done with less cgi, and found the last third (other than the ending) a bit of a mess, I love this film and I want to see it a few dozen more times as soon as possible...
So basically everyone likes this... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 12:21:30 AM
because it's nostalgic. Gee, way to go Spielberg.
CROW3711 by DoctorWho?	May 22nd, 2008 12:22:56 AM
It's good to hear it "felt like an Indy movie". That's what I was hoping for. You pretty much guaranteed my ticket.
going to see it today by Gabba-UK	May 22nd, 2008 12:23:32 AM
at Leicester Square with a bit of luck. Expensive but I'm down in London anyways and well, Indy's worth it.
Indy 4 = A true FAN'S Dream Come True by SigmaChi04	May 22nd, 2008 12:26:08 AM
I saw The Last Crusade in theaters with my late grandfather (who looked just like Henry Sr.) when I was 7 years old. I'm happy to say I'm not critic but thanks for not spoiling my childhood like another George Lucas production fanbase suffered. Spielberg took a very welcome traditional note in making Indy 4. It's almost as if he remembered the words of Henry Jones Sr. "Let my armies be the rocks and the trees and the birds in the sky." The CGI never overshadows the amazing scenery (a lot less so than the matte painting outlines that were so blatant in the trilogy). The whole movie FEELS pure INDY (as for "silly plot" complaints let me remind you of the voodoo doll in temple of doom and the lack of explaining how Indy survived the U-Boat ride in Raiders (whip on periscope anyone?) among others. So just eat your popcorn and enjoy the ride. Raiders was a film made by 2 fans of Republic serials, this movie was made scene by scene for Indiana Jones fans as Spielberg promised! And by the way, Shia is 100 times better than Short Round. Not to say that's good, but at least we don't have another Jar Jar or Marcus Brody (rest in peace) to have for "comic relief".
How many licks does it take to.... by DarkCouncilus	May 22nd, 2008 12:33:57 AM
Make a George Lucas Films marketeer ejaculate of joy because of all this "articles" in spite of Indy 4? Love the movie, hate the sell-out factor in the media bitches.
I'm actually not seeing it until tonight by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 12:36:07 AM
My friends and I wanted time to actually sit around and discuss what we saw, so we decided it can wait until a time we wont get out of the flick until three in the morning. i'm sure afterwards at the local Denny's there will be much coffee drinking and shouting.
What's wrong with it being nostalgic? by flickchick85	May 22nd, 2008 12:37:12 AM
I think Spielberg's at his best when he's being nostalgic. Minus Hook. I dunno WTF happened there. But nostalgia is EXACTLY what I want out of this movie. Silly plot details and over-the-top action have always been part of Indy's charm, and I wouldn't want him any other way.
SigmaChi04 by BadMrWonka	May 22nd, 2008 12:41:35 AM
U-Boats regularly traveled on the surface unless they had specific reason to go under. they may not have been that far away anyway. that is an old nitpick that was disproved a decade ago. glad you liked the new one though, I'm seeing it tomorrow.
Nostalgia by kafka07	May 22nd, 2008 12:41:46 AM
what's wrong with a little nostalgia?
Whip on Periscope. Nope, he left it behind. by NoDiggity	May 22nd, 2008 12:46:00 AM
At least, he didn't seem to have it on him when he climbed on board the submarine. I think the last time we see it is when he jams the handle somewhere under the truck.
Is it too late to bring back HAN SOLO...? by Greigy Just Wanted To Say	May 22nd, 2008 12:46:07 AM
You could pimp the Falcon and have a Greyed up Chewie. Hey just planting seed kids.
LOVE IT - DO YOUR F'N CIVIC DUTY - GO WATCH INDY 4 NOW! by Proman1984	May 22nd, 2008 12:47:44 AM
This weekend, enjoy this with your family - the movie's fantastic!
All I have to say: FUCK YOU, George Lucas! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 22nd, 2008 12:55:14 AM
I saw INDY 4 yesterday and it was okay - but not as great as it should've been. The most annoying thing is that fucking crystal skull which seems to have more screen time than Harrison. Seriously. Plus most of the action scenes were underwhelming at best. And that fucking UFO finale was the topping of the turd. So, fuck you, George. Again, you've ruined a great franchise. DAMN YOU! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!
it's a blockbuster by Disco Banes	May 22nd, 2008 12:56:43 AM
i don't think it is possible for steven spielberg to make a bad movie (since the lost world that is), but he is capable of making a disappoiting one. So i was rather confident that i would surely enjoy this film, at least. I can say that they all kept their word, the film is a really really fun ride. But as far as good filmmaking goes, it's an ok picture (i have the same feeling about the other 3 indies, so...). Only 2 things bothered me (and that's not a lot): -the exposition part in the film, 20minutes in, where Indy meets Mutt, is too much. Not that it's too long or confusing but it's too much plot. There was a simplicity about the plots of the other indy films that i miss here. The crystal skull tale is too fat. There's a skull missing, there's a woman missing, there's a professor missing, there's already a doublecrossing partner at this stage. And indy doesn't need to simply find the skull, he has to bring it to this city, where in combination with other skulls, you can achieve 'some sort' of power. That's a big lead up for a vague goal i thought. But after this there's no stopping the indy train and you don't even think too much about where this is leading us. you can enjoy very large parts of the film without worrying about where's it going. -i'm sorry to say that i have a real problem with the ending. I didn't mind the special effects or this set as climax to the film. I minded that i hoped to have a climax after the so called climax in the film. It feels like a dud. There's no such thing as a great power that the russians want. There is no great power at all! They bring the skull in this small temple, place it on the alien, the vortex starts and... they go to another dimension... How does this fit in with the idea of this great power? I didn't know why and what was happening to cate blanchett at this point. I couldn't give an explanation for this climax as it unfolded. And that's terrible. Stuff happens, beofre you know it's over, the baddie's gone and indy escaped. Pretty soft. Although that shot of indy with the giant flying saucer was a thing of beauty, but hardly anything like resembling a climax. Now, the stuff that was great: - Shia can act (Karen Allen cant by the way) - indy vs nuclear bomb is fantastic image - Jim Broadbent was nice to see - Indy and Shia in the diner where the fight starts is a fun cool moment - finding the skull was very nicely done - the quicksand was a very nice scene - the car chase in the jungle is the best action set piece of the film - i truly love the ants (though it felt as they had to put in an ugly bug, they just had to!) - the way to enter the temple is pretty cool (you can see this in the trailer where they go down these stairs that disappear in the walls. - indy against the flying saucer is beautiful image - the interplay between indy and marion is rather charming to watch, i have to admit - cate blanchett was a lot of fun to watch Now, little stuff that didn't work: - why were these guys racing in the opening scene? - the reason why they went to that cemetery, coming from the crazy house is sill unclear to me, and who were those crazy guys protecting it? - ray winstone is lost in a simplistic character. I love Ray but i only love him in serious films, not in happy meal blockbusters like this. - karen allen can't act - the contless escape scenes. I swear to god, people escape captivity a dozen times in this film - if ray winstone was gonna switch sides again, i was gonna barf - shia swinging from the vines is a big no no - marion's trick to get the car in the water was over the top. really - the guards watching the temple are serious pussies - the last scene of the film was cute for a second but then... pff But don't worry after all i've said. I'm seeing it again this friday, it's a reall trip, a wonderful time to switch of the brain. After a stressfull day a welcome relaxation. you can compare it to casino royale in this way. So, don't wait for it, go see it
Entertaining, but Dissapointing by davidaq	May 22nd, 2008 01:03:07 AM
enjoyed it for the most part, Ford/Shia worked great together, thought he was clearly one of the better things about the film. Liked the whole cast in general actually, although could have done without John Hurts character. quality wise id say it does fall a little bit behind the other sequels, mainly due to the last 15-20mins being the worst part of the entire series. Its a shame George Lucas and his 'Saucermen' rubbish were not somehow kept away from the film, its obvious from interviews that Spielberg and Ford were never comfortable with that. I guess they had to compromise and let George get it in there somewhere, otherwise the damn film never would have been made.
Seriously, WTF. (SPOILERS) by Kurutteru Yatsu	May 22nd, 2008 01:03:25 AM
Tarzan LeBeouf? Indy doing pratfalls? Looking all goofy at the wedding? Surviving a nuclear blast by hopping in a fridge, flying at least a couple hundred yards, bouncing (more like slamming) twice on the ground before rolling to a stop and not so much as a scratch? Are you goddamn kidding me? I'm all for suspension of disbelief but there's a limit. Good to see the crappy CGI monkeys from Jumanji are still getting work. I guess the scarabs from The Mummy must be working too since they had to have giant ants stand in. Skeletons merging together into a living alien? Sure, why not. How/why does Indy get re-hired and promoted at the end? Why make a big deal of Marion being part of the proceedings if she only gets two minutes' worth of lines? The entire last half hour of the movie: No, that's cool. You don't need to have Indy do anything. He can just stand around. Totally fine. A fucking flying saucer? The aliens were archaeologists, but they stuck around to teach the Mayans about machinery, paved roads and advanced construction and be worshipped as gods? And last but not least, what the fuck was the deal with the statue of Marcus? Was there even a point there? I already said this in another TB but I'll say it again-- that was not how I wanted to feel walking out of an Indiana Jones movie.
TEMPLE OF DOOM is the best out of all of them! by Mike_D	May 22nd, 2008 01:08:24 AM
Havnet seen Indy 4 yet though but thought I'd chime in.
There was a UFO ending?! WTF?!!!! NOOOOOOOOO! by Mike_D	May 22nd, 2008 01:15:06 AM
I just spoiled the movie for myself by reading this talkback. I hate myself.
UFO's???? by lb	May 22nd, 2008 01:16:48 AM
I am not happy about that at all.
Nostalgia is fucking fine and dandy.... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:22:24 AM
if the movie has a little something more than my slobbering idiot kids enjoyed while I sat there watching them pick their nose with a smile on their faces. That is not an Indiana Jones movie nor should it be billed as one. And no it is not that I've changed, it's that Lucas the Hutt should've handed some of this shit over to someone else when his cunt wife left and took whatever was left in his tank with her.
terrible shit movie by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:24:05 AM
shite. I loved the bit where indy grabs the hat ay the very end out of shia's hand, but the rest of this was crap.
This movie is shaping up just like... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:25:45 AM
TPM. At first nobody wants to come out and say it, but give it 6 months and most everyone will be asking themselves what the fuck happened to IJ.
J by twojawas	May 22nd, 2008 01:26:59 AM
Sadly, it was not very good. There was no sense of urgency at all. I could have cared less about who had or got the crystal skull. There were a few moments when you felt that it could all work, but ultimately a real disappointment. Harrison seemed very disinterested during the entire film. The only time I laughed was at the Marcus Brody bit that I won't spoil for anyone. Go see it, but believe me you won't be busting to see it again.
ironic_name, well I guess I was wrong... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:27:24 AM
it's starting already. Was this as bad as I think it's going to be?
twojawas... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:29:35 AM
Honestly, was it TPM bad or AOTC bad? Or more like Star Wars Holiday X-mas Special bad?
sort of entertaining, but SOULLESS by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:31:28 AM
definately boring at parts, too. The whole describing the background about the crystal skull was too forced and ... boring. Chase scenes were decent, directing good. Alien payoff was uninteresting. Love story wasn't sold very well. Father son relationship wasn't that bad, shia was fine. Ray winstone's character was stupid and had no background or connection, who cared about betrayals etc. Id say the best scene was indy getting nuked, because that's what the movie felt like when it was over.
poeticwarriorIII ... by twojawas	May 22nd, 2008 01:32:10 AM
Just not good. The story was the bad part. I really think that Harrison could have pulled it off with a good script because he still looked like Indy. It seems that anything Lucas touches now days just turns to poop.
Yes, it was as bad as you thought it was going to be... by therealhenryjonesjrjr	May 22nd, 2008 01:33:36 AM
Speaking in all honestly, and entirely from the heart as a Indy fan since I was six years old, this movie was horrible. I was really hoping it was going to be great, and that I'd have one more Indy film (that I actually saw in theaters) to enjoy, but for me, now more than ever, the series ended with that sunset ride in Last Crusade.
poeticwarriorIII I might just be in a shitty mood by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:34:04 AM
seeing the beautiful cate blanchett - who was pregnant during some of the filming - playing a russian [yay!] get killed [boo!] in a awful way does that to me.
Thumbs Up by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 01:35:52 AM
I love how people get bent out of shape by Indy in the fridge... or the Crystal Skull/Alien Plot... but three magic rocks make perfect sense? WTF? Or how about a cup that keeps you young? Or how about a box that melts your face off? Or how about falling out of the sky on a rubber raft into India. Some people seem to forget that the first three movies all had far out plots... over the top action sequences... and exposition up the ying yang. Every Indy movie has that 5-10 min scene where the main exposition takes place. The ark. The stones. The grail. The skulls. The formula is there. KOTCS delivers BIG TIME! It's not the lightning in the bottle that RAIDERS was... but it sits very nicely on the shelf with the other two sequels. And there are actually some themes in this movie that give the movie some weight (which most people don't even bring up because they're too busy looking for what they complain about). Loosen up. This is not the Star Wars Prequels Syndrome. Lucas did not rape your childhood. Perhaps you are responsible for that and should actually own up to it for once in your life. Indy 4 is refreshing in a sea of really bad action/adventure movies that have come out since the 90's. I thank you Harrison, Steven and George for making this motion picture. Cheers!
Don't waste your money on this by Ecto-1	May 22nd, 2008 01:36:03 AM
just stay at home and watch Raiders again. I had to watch Raiders after seeing Crystal Skull to remind myself that these guys CAN make a great film. After the mess that Lucas made of the Star Wars prequels it came as no surprize to me how bad Crystal Skull was. It was just way too silly. Ford will always be Indy, just as Connery will always be Bond. Time to pass the hat to someone else. Just not Shia. I don't mind watching him, he's alright, but he's just not a good Indy replacement. Oh yea, and keep Lucas the hell away from the script!!
twojawas, well shit... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:36:14 AM
That sucks although I really felt it was going to be like this with the whole son bit. I definitely think Ford could've pulled it off with a better script. He still looks good. They should've dropped the old fart dead beat dad angle and just bought some hair dye and made an old fashioned IJ movie. Lucas is eating himself.
Wow, poeticwarriorIII, I thought you'd seen it already by flickchick85	May 22nd, 2008 01:36:23 AM
Your mind is CLEARLY already made up. Are you really going to pay to see something you already hate? I hope not.
It sucked cuz you know Lucas shit on my childhood by Spazatronic 2000	May 22nd, 2008 01:37:16 AM
actually haven't seen it. it's gonna be Phantom Menace 2 Indiana Boogaloo right?
strengths in narrative by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:37:24 AM
i think the antagonist was decent, blanchett's character. The embroiling of indy as a traitor at first, the scene were he endures a nuclear bomb test. Scene with shia in the diner was fun, had a good sense of playfulness. The motorcycle chase scene was fun, exciting. Crazy john hurt was kind of amusing at certain points. Banter between indy and mutt was pretty good, before spoiler he found out their connection. Yeah that's really about it.
Absolute GOLD by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 01:39:49 AM
Genius, wow. YES. We watched Raiders, and followed it with Skull, and...wow. What a perfect pair. Mutt is genius, so much better than I thought he'd be. I'll be there for a Mutt sequel in a SECOND. I'll admit that I was let down by the climax, I actually liked Stuart's climax (hell, I kind of like Stuart's script better in general, aside from really loving Mutt, and the opening--OH, THE OPENING!). But, really, being let down by the climax is par for the course for an Indy movie. What was Raiders? Oh, the Ark killed the Nazis, the end. Big freaking whoop. What's awesome is the rest of the film, and this was. Awesome before Mutt showed up, awesome after Mutt showed up, awesome right up until the spoiler pops onto the spoiler and then the spoiler starts spoilering and then the spoiler gets spoiled into spoil and the huge spoiler starts spoiling out from the spoiler.... But let me repeat. Great film.
and I went in with an open mind by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:40:05 AM
I'm not one of those nerds who feels superior in being snooty. but if you have indy survive a nuke by getting in a fridge.. well, 15 minutes in and I told my brain to not bother caring.. obviously the roadrunner was going to appear not long after.. in fact we get a dramatic gopher who looks like she just dropped her washing. but hey, the last crusade is a good ending for me.
ironic_name... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:40:22 AM
At least we still have Raiders!
One word: Balls! by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:41:02 AM
The Alien shit didnt bother me at all, it was just soulless and empty as someone earlier said.. And the CGI made it not feel like an Indy flick in some parts.. I walked out of the theater thinking the old PC game Fate of Atlantis gave me more Indiana joy than this piece of big budget shit
I was kinda bored.. by pk68	May 22nd, 2008 01:41:57 AM
during part of it. And the car chase in the jungle just didn't work, it almost seemed like they were moving too slow. It's the 3rd best of the series, at least it was better then Doom, which is not hard to be.
what was the ending like in the other script?? by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:42:13 AM

flickchick85... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:43:04 AM
If you can't tell from the trailers this was going to be bad then that's your problem. I just wanted to make sure it was what I thought it was and you can bet your ass at this point I'm not paying to see it.
some more problems by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:43:07 AM
the dialogue often times didn't seem to have very good pacing. it was either too slow or just didn't show a good connection between the people talking. it felt like the actors were bored, it didnt have energy. the audience didnt get a compelling reason ever to invest their attention in the exposition about the skull, when id say in the other films that existed. it tried to place the audience in the middle of the story and expect us to have these connections already, which wasnt the case. i think the idea of a crystal skull and getting 'magical powers' is just too far outside of our myth to really connect at all. And you know what, moriarity, no ford didnt have that spark back in his eyes, a lot of his acting was still pretty dull.
Bring On #5 by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 01:43:38 AM
While you still have Ford. He can still deliver the goods!!! KOTCS is proof of that.
pk68 do you have Downs syndrome? by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:43:42 AM
Better than Doom?? wtf
So people complain about UFOs, but accept Gods? by DerLanghaarige	May 22nd, 2008 01:44:05 AM
Haven't seen it yet and I guess I have to wait for the DVD (coming out in November), because I'm unfortunately pretty much broke right now :P
Admit it... by greysky	May 22nd, 2008 01:45:06 AM
the movie was bad. It had some good moments, but overall not the best out of them all. I am pretty pissed right now, becaue I was so pysched to see this tonight.
Pretty good considering by leveldwella	May 22nd, 2008 01:45:19 AM
the vintage.
poeticwarrior by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:45:20 AM
why dont you fuck off? this is for people who saw it? i dont care about your stupid fucking reasons for not wanting to see it. go rant to yourself in a mirror you narcisstic piece of shit.
and [spoilers] by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:45:52 AM
spalko is now.. what? was she transmuted into a higher consciousness? vaporised? I couldn't make a better movie, but I could improve this script.
I loved it. by MetiphisLabs	May 22nd, 2008 01:46:39 AM
Don't care what anyone says. And yes I hate the Star Wars Prequels.
One line from Shia sums it up at the end... by strider_is_hot	May 22nd, 2008 01:46:44 AM
"I don't understand".... .... why they made this movie.
Just got back from the midnight showing: 6/10 by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 01:47:08 AM
This is not an INDIANA JONES movie. Instead, this is THE MUMMY meets NATIONAL TREASURE. Now, I enjoyed both of those movies, but they're Honda Civics to the Cadillac that was the INDIANA JONES series. My biggest gripe? Too much FUCKING CGI. The action lacked tension in crucial places. And there were too many parts (more than from the past films) where Looney Tunes physics kept coming into play. By the end, when the characters endure 3 certain deaths, you begin to think "Okay, the filmmakers are just fucking around, lean back in your seat and take in the silliness." No thanks. That's not what makes Indiana Jones movies fun. So yeah, this was THE MUMMY in that the mystical elements were WAY over the top plot devices. And it was NATIONAL TREASURE in that the characters were way too smart, piecing things together like it was no problem. That being said, I was entertained. And I think everyone should go see this movie. It is a popcorn flick that is completely forgettable. It's like the movies I mentioned above. Harmless, meaningless and diverting. But do not go in expecting Indiana Jones 4. No, this is some transdimensional version of that film series (nod to Oxley with that comment). I'd give it a 6/10.
Snake: the other script by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 01:48:19 AM
Think huge aerial battle between US Air Force and UFO's. Corny? Possibly. Awesome? A good chance of being. Better than the crap we got in KotCS? Oh for damn sure. Was I the only person jumping up in their seat when Ford said 'What, saucer men from Mars?' Man, I really loved that script....
greentealite... by poeticwarriorIII	May 22nd, 2008 01:48:57 AM
I would but your whore mother was already with a customer cunt. And I'm not sure if you know what narcissistic means or not you illiterate bastard but you're kind of the pot calling the kettle black you ignorant fucking cunty.
yackbacker by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:50:50 AM
it wasnt so much the cgi but the ineffectual plot, and the lackluster acting from ford and uh marion that i thought brought it down. no decent human connection. did anyone honestly care that they got back together at the end? i wanted to leave when i saw that cliched wedding scene ending.
Ehhhh... by 24200124	May 22nd, 2008 01:51:05 AM
First the bad: things went way too fast; there's not a lot of decent interaction between the characters; and who knew that the producers liked "The X-Files" movie? Now the good: INDIANA JONES IS BACK. It's thoroughly enjoyable and it's worth a watch in a movie theater. My head's still spinning, though, and that's not necessarily a good thing...
Christians Hate This Movie... Bwahahahaha by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 01:51:22 AM
They made the Art and Grail cool... and now Lucas and Spielberg bring up "Aliens" in Indy's world. How dare Lucas and Spielberg!! Don't they know that human beings are God's children ? Watch... how all the haters come out and are really just angry that Indy didn't find The Cross Of Jesus!!! Oh this is gonna be fun!!
I had a good time by BusDriverStu	May 22nd, 2008 01:51:33 AM
Just got back, and I really enjoyed the movie. The movie should get nominated for make up because Harrison doesn't look nearly as old as he does in real life. He returns to the role with ease. For the most part I don't have any complaints, however, Marion didn't have enough to do, the monkeys were too much, and spoiler I really don't think it was necessary to show an actual alien. But other than that, I was entertained throughout, and is on the same level as the other sequels.
Most of the audience I was with didn't like it by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 01:51:41 AM
The comments after the show ended were mostly negative. The biggest turn off was the big reveal at the end. And I agree, the way the mystery wraps up was kind of idiotic (and purely Lucas' idea, you can tell). But this was still less offensive than any of the prequels, so its got that going for it.
poetic by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:52:26 AM
you're trash. get out. you want to know what narcissistic means? look at your past posting, if that doesn't define it for you, i guess you're the one who's incapable and illiterate, 'cunty'.
Strider_is_hot by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:53:00 AM
well said also what the fuck has the star wars prequels got to do with this film?? Why arnt people comparing it to Minority Report or ET?
greentealite by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 01:53:29 AM
I agree that Marion was completely useless in this, but I thought Ford had charm. The script is what cut the legs out from everything. It was not a good screenplay. I thought the movie played a little too heavy on nostalgia too. But it was diverting. I didn't hate it at all. But like you said, it lacked soul.
My theater by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:53:39 AM
about 1/10th of the full theater clapped, but most people were eager to shuffle out. people weren't too thrilled either.
Spalko by Kurutteru Yatsu	May 22nd, 2008 01:53:57 AM
I'm going with vaporised.
Didn't hate it, Didn't love it... by Kelvington	May 22nd, 2008 01:53:58 AM
I think it seemed like a very mixed bag, the UFO stuff we could have done without. More from the Janitor from Scrubs and way less CGI. If this film was done on a smaller scale, and more in keeping with RotLA, then I would be happy. Plus I hated the double/triple agent bullshit.
PoeticWarrior by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 01:54:01 AM
Now there is an oxy"moron" if I ever heard or read of one. Can't even follow the simple guide to what this forum is even about. HAHAHAHA
Man, was this bad... by SmokeFilledTavern	May 22nd, 2008 01:54:04 AM
Only scene I liked was the opening with the Elvis tune. I hated LAST CRUSADE, but I think this may actually be worse.
okay george, now that you've gotten that out of yr system.. by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:54:43 AM
give us a lettermans versus greasers movie! lucas could make a fun movie. just don't write it.
My theater too... by greysky	May 22nd, 2008 01:55:09 AM
It was just silent at the end, I think everyone was in shock, just like me
My theater too... by greysky	May 22nd, 2008 01:55:22 AM
It was just silent at the end, I think everyone was in shock, just like me
is that it? by FrenchBastard03	May 22nd, 2008 01:55:36 AM
thats what i felt like after the credits started rolling. i so very much wanted to love this movie, wanted it to "feel" like an indy movie like everyone on this site has been talking about, and yes there are some entertaining bits in there, but it just doesnt feel like a cohesive whole. it feels like a bunch of bit part ideas lucas had and wanted in the movie all thrown together (indy gets nuked, indy falls down waterfall THREE times, mutt is tarzan, indy sees UFO). there didnt seem to be an arch in any of the characters either. as bad as people say Last Crusade was, at least you felt by the end of it that Indy had really rekindled something with his father. this time we get Indy finding out 20 years after the fact that he's a father, and all he does is make jokes about it?(you're going to finish school!!) and by the end, i didnt really see him as any more a father figure as when he first met him. karen allen was completely wasted and one dimensional, along with ray winstone. and does john hurt really have to be brought down to the level of comic relief? thats the problem, not enough depth to these characters whereas i felt even short round and willie scott had depth. there i said it, i hate to, but its the truth. damn you george lucas, id really like to see what that frank darabont script looked like.
Entertaining...but that's it by ZoeFan	May 22nd, 2008 01:55:39 AM
While many have called it "souless", I'd say it has 1/10 of a soul. Any other director and I'd completely agree. I'd characterize this movie as Ultimate Cash Grab. There really was no reason for a lot of what the movie offers to the viewers. For example, there's a reason why events happen as they do in Last Crusade. However in this installment, there's really no rhyme or reason why certain characters exist or events take place. Also, it's kind of hard to suspend your disbelief watching Indy run around like he's 25. I'd say go see it at a matinee.
SPOILER by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:56:00 AM
Also wtf happened to Spalko at the end?? why did ET kill her??
about the script by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:56:25 AM
yeah i guess you could say it was the biggest issue.. the nods to past films might've been permissible if the story was really engaging, and good... but they felt cornballed here. I didn't hate the movie, I don't exist on a bipolar scale when I think about movies.. just forgettable, I guess your word applies best. But the real question is, will this thing make it big first weekend and fall off the face of the planet in a few weeks afterwards?
craptastic by bobbychez76	May 22nd, 2008 01:57:10 AM
this movie is crap...everything george lucas touches dies. what was the plot of this movie again? why were the feds chasing indy and what happened to them after the first half hour ? bad bad movie...
Shia and Karen Allen by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 01:57:39 AM
Were some of the better things about this movie. Although once ACT 3 kicked in... all of the interesting character dynamics between Ford and these two disappeared to service finishing out the plot. I wanted more Indy and Marion. Instead we got a couple of fun scenes initial scenes that started off great and then fizzled to service the Crystal Skull stuff.
Just saw it too by OQuaTanginWann	May 22nd, 2008 01:57:54 AM
Not stellar, but I was expecting it to flat out suck. The most important thing is it didn't do anything to make the original films less great. As someone else pointed out, Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis had a better story.
Loved it. by critch	May 22nd, 2008 01:58:07 AM
My second favorite Indy movie, ahead of Crusade and Doom. I'm not sure what the haters were expecting. Probably Raiders again. Go masterbate to the Lost Ark and leave the rest of us alone.
Mako whatever medication you're on.. by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 01:58:20 AM
you're either aren't taking enough or you are taking too much.
Spielberg spent too much time with Cruise by SmokeFilledTavern	May 22nd, 2008 01:58:32 AM
Thetans!!!
Ford was good. by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 01:58:36 AM
Ford put the character back on pretty well. I even liked some of his giddy school boy moments (like when he proclaims "They were archeologists!" about the msyterious "gods" of this Peruvian temple). But like I said, the script was not good. And the CGI was ridiculously used. And this was the best Macguffin Lucas could come up with? Actually, having seen the prequels, I believe it. But this movie had a lot of screenwriters helping out!
My theater cheered by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 01:59:27 AM
Actually, we cheered several times, but we cheered loudly at the end of the film, all of us. This film is going to make millions. Someone earlier said this'll be like TPM: you like it at first, but then six months later, you finally admit it was crap. Well, dude, do me a favor. Go back and watch TPM with an open mind. That was a GREAT film. Which is exactly what you'll realize about Crystal Skull in a few years.
we should have heeded Shogun's warnings by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 01:59:35 AM
the more i think about this movie the more my balls hurt
UFOS? by BringingSexyBack	May 22nd, 2008 01:59:43 AM
It's worse than I thought.
plissken by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 01:59:46 AM
In soveit Russia, ET melts your face.
Ironic_Name by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:01:28 AM
I've never been balanced... so I would opt for not taking enough.
YACK CONFIRMS IT by BringingSexyBack	May 22nd, 2008 02:01:32 AM
I'll be seeing this late June.
phantom menace a great film ??????? by bobbychez76	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:11 AM
is this guy kidding? that movie sucked and this might be worse...better acting in indy and the aliens, but it felt like it was put together with scotch tape and filmed in georges cellar.
spalko became the starchild, like in 2001 by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:14 AM
thats my story and I'm sticking to it.
Maybe you could convince me about Ford by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:27 AM
Maybe again it was just the script, but I swear some of the scenes came off making the relationships between the actors seem very stilted and unnatural. And I don't mean unnatural in a good way, but like, they're reading lines.
SPOILER ALERT by thebearovingian	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:34 AM
Highlight inviso-text to read:
Yeah, BSB, don't go for a while by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:34 AM
But don't wait too long either. I predict after a big opening, this movie will fall way off. There's no reason to see it more than once.
It is INDIANA JONES every second of it! by wadi77	May 22nd, 2008 02:02:59 AM
Just saw it. Those who says otherwise, just forgotten how to enjoy Indiana Jones film like they used to. And really just nitpicking. Watching it again tomorrow, and the day after. Bring on the Blu-ray!
insy 4 is mcdonalds icecream: tasty, but really shitty, too. by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 02:03:33 AM

David Koepp And George Lucas by davidaq	May 22nd, 2008 02:03:42 AM
Bastards, both of 'em.
THANKS YACK by BringingSexyBack	May 22nd, 2008 02:03:44 AM
You my point man on new releases.
Yatsu has a point. by RandySavage	May 22nd, 2008 02:04:20 AM
I didn't leave the theater feeling that great, although I don't yet know why. The good news is that for a majority of the film Ford was able to climb out of the coma he's been in for the last 19 years and resurrect Indy.
Yackbacker you just broke my fucking heart by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:04:23 AM
A funny thing happened to me today. I had been preparing for the worst for so long that a strange serenity came upon me and I started to get a bit, how do you say, excited. but now I'm right back where i was. National Treasure and The mummy? My God, those are too franchises i couldn't find any more repugnant. Horrible cynical messes the both of them and why people like them I have no idea. Watching the Mummy 2 actually, in a small way, shaped the way I see modern genre filmmaking. After that is when i realized how badly directors had started playing to the worst sensibilities of the idiot throngs, so dropping a gauntlet like that is almost personal. You are wrong about one thing though. if the film is as you say it is, and i have no doubt, it is anything but harmless. it shows that even the most mighty of the genre filmmakers have gone down the path of unholy evil (I hope y'all are catching my hyperbole with that one....but still). It, whether we like it or not, in the back of our heads will always tarnish the ones before it. It's outright cruel, whether malice was meant or not, to deliver a product like that and call it Indiana Jones. It cheapens genre filmmaking as a whole.
Maybe you'll flame me for this but by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:04:23 AM
I thought Speed Racer was better. A lot better.
insy is quatolopec for indy.. walk it through mayan to get the d by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 02:05:18 AM

Audience Cheered!! Indy's Back!! by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:05:35 AM
My audience cheered at the end... and even though I may be on medication... there was no way I could slip anything into the 200+ drinks that other people were drinking before the movie started.
ialect. by ironic_name	May 22nd, 2008 02:05:49 AM

no character development either.... by bobbychez76	May 22nd, 2008 02:06:11 AM
did anyone care cate got mindfucked by the aliens....i loved seeing belloq get his face melted...and mola rom zula rom get fed to the gators, and even when whats his face "chose poorly" at least you kinda hated those bad guys. i really didnt give a shit about any character in this movie. I got mildly excited when i realized the fbi agent was janitor from scrubs
my take by whiskey_dick	May 22nd, 2008 02:06:58 AM
I saw the movie from the perspective of a kid who saw the first 3 and loved them then forgot about them for a decade or so. I was definitely a huge fan and Harrison Ford is one of my favorite actors but I just sort of lost touch with the movies like a best friend who moved to college. I came into the movie expecting to enjoy it but without a lot of detailed memories of the previous adventures. Overall I thought it was a very good movie but it was kind of crippled by all the hype surrounding it. The revelation the Mutt was (gasp!) Indy's son was entirely ruined by the fact that we've all known since they cast Shia who he was going to play. Maybe I was wrong (the people I saw it with agreed with me though) but it seemed like they 'discovered' that the skull came from a non-human source at least a half-dozen times. The skull itself also looked like shit. I won't back down from that gripe. I'm sure you'll be able to buy an exact replica at WalMart for twelve bucks within a few weeks (if you can't already). The story was good but seemed to have a lot of threads that came out of nowhere and then disappeared just as suddenly. Were they native crypt guards undead or just really patient? If they were undead how could the russians slaughter them with guns? Why make such a big deal out of Mutt's bike if they just lose it and forget about it five minutes later? I guess I've focused on a lot of negatives here. I loved the greasers vs. preps diner escape, the trip through the library, Jim Broadbent, the genuinely surprising military convoy opening sequence, and Prof. Oxley. Marion was great too. She did get put in the background a bit but I thought the character was still completely there. My favorite moment though, and I might get some flak for this, is that Neil Flynn's cameo in the movie leaves open the possibility of the most intricate movie-tv show-real life crossover ever...with Scrubs ending, the Janitor has left Sacred Heart to continue his fruitless cinematic pursuit of Harrison Ford.
The audience I saw X3 with cheered by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:07:11 AM
Cheering when it comes to a mass of people and a popular franchise, means absolutely nothing. it's not proof or even indicative of any sort of greater truth, so let's not go there.
4th best Indy ever by Logan_1973	May 22nd, 2008 02:07:19 AM
Overdone SFX and a stupid plot is what killed it. Way to many artifical environments: gone are the days they actually shot an Indy film in a jungle or a desert. And the plot/macguffin? Dumb. Just plain dumb. SOOO happy we got the writers back off strike!
Mako by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:07:47 AM
By drinks I guess you mean, alcohol. I kind of thought about getting stoned to see this but made a good decision going sober. I would've been depressed by the end. Trust me the guys sitting behind me who, before it started, kept saying "dude im so stoned" were silent the whole movie.
Speed Racer is much much better by SmokeFilledTavern	May 22nd, 2008 02:08:11 AM
and IndustyKiller, your points are great...although I fear you'll get much flaming from those who can't admit that this was one shockingly lame excuse for a genre film.
This was "Young Indiana Jones: The Movie" by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:08:29 AM
Where shit was too convenient to be taken seriously. Like the tv series, where Jones would have dinner with Duke Ellington and fuck a young no-named Rita Hayworth, this movie plays it too cute. Jones happened to be at the crash of the UFO in Roswell 10 years earlier? What? And his colleague happens to be the guy who is the leading expert on the ancient ruins where the same species of aliens once ruled on Earth? I don't enjoy that sort of "plot." Now, if this was a movie where the theory of aliens acting as Gods was an issue, that would have been interesting to watch. but five minutes into the movie, you know the aliens are "real." Mystery solved. Aliens aliens aliens! Ok, now lets go through the motions, kill of bad guys, some punch Indy, have Indy punch guys back, and give him a David Marcus too. All too cute.
This movie is... by Orionsangels	May 22nd, 2008 02:08:44 AM
A decisive moment in the history of Western civilization! Watching this film one thinks not simply of the history of popular movies but the history of the last century.
Worst Indy of all... by rumple foreskin	May 22nd, 2008 02:08:49 AM
This is by far the sloppiest movie spielberg has ever directed. john williams phoned this in. there might be two new cues and they are the most unremarkable tracks in his career. it makes you realize the power of amazing music and how spielberg's films are shaped not only by the music, but by the spotting of it as well. i was really let down by this movie. it has fun moments. certainly. but it is sloppy in it's writing AND directing. i am a huge, die-hard spielberg fan. and this movie may be his very worst. i left the theater actually feeling sad. because it felt like my heros have died (spielberg and williams). i heard all the negative talk and reviews for a few days and kept saying "no way...ain't gonna be in that camp." sadly, i am. i rank it as the worst indy film and possibly the worst spielberg film ever. i can't believe i am writing this. wow.
greentealite... by ZoeFan	May 22nd, 2008 02:08:51 AM
I too liked Speed Racer more. In fact, I'm going to see it again. However, I won't be seeing this installment of Indy again for a long time.
I need to see it again, preferably drunk. . . by krullboyisback	May 22nd, 2008 02:09:02 AM
was too excited to make an objective assessment, but wish th alien stuff was a little less prominent. . .just keep the aliens dead
Unfortunately, Kurutteru Yatsu is right by Stollentroll	May 22nd, 2008 02:09:35 AM
I can't believe they screwed it up so bad.
Holy shit Neil Flynn is in it???? by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:09:36 AM
They fucking BETTER use that in the Scrubs finale.
national treasure 2 and the crystal skulls... by bobbychez76	May 22nd, 2008 02:10:18 AM
did i just buy a movie about a city of gold that had a scene with a giant stone slab that moved with the characters shift of weight ?
Dug it by Thorstrongstone	May 22nd, 2008 02:10:57 AM
Sure, there were a few plot development problems(moved too quickly), and some of plot turns were not addressed , but I thought it was a lot of fun. To those who complain about the sci-fi or over-the-top parts: shut the fuck up. Raiders=Killed a bunch of fellas with the power of God; Temple=leaped out of a plane in an inflatable raft. Crusade=eternal youth(actually, did not seem to work for Indy, strangely).
The Mutt Nickname by BrotherOdd	May 22nd, 2008 02:12:18 AM
Henry Jones, Sr. "Indiana was the DOG'S name." Henry Jones, III: Nickname is Mutt Connection? Yes? No?
rumple foreskin by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:13:01 AM
I agree with your point about the score. It felt like a dumb vaudeville hearing short flourishes of indy's theme when some stupid joke flashed across the screen. Like cues that we should be enjoying this scene, it felt like a sitcom at points. But some of the directing was pretty damn good, I can't say Spielberg was really lazy, but I guess he tried to deal with a stinking pile of script.
IndustryKiller, honestly, if you are offended by this by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:13:03 AM
Don't see it. You will be pretty fucking angry afterwards. I can take this movie as a completely separate experience from the first 3 films because they look and feel SO much different from this one. It's not like with the prequels, where there's too many connective layers happening that the OT is dragged down by them. But like I said, don't see it if that's how you feel. Seriously.
Indy gets married? fuck that by oneiros88	May 22nd, 2008 02:13:19 AM
I wanted it to be good, but no more sequels or prequels from Lucas. I can't take this bastardization of my favorite franchises. I don't care if he thought them up, he's lost touch with any creative and artistic abilities he ever had. He's a an opportunist hack. This movie bored me, I just didn't care, No character, Shia embarrassed himself, Harrison was cool but old, Cate Blanchett was ok (she looked like Diablo Cody). John Hurt did what he could. I don't believe Spielberg directed this, there is none of that artistry he usually displays. And Koepp script is just set piece after set piece, taking every second it could to reference the older films. I'd rather just watch them then be reminded how good they were, and how obviously dissapointing this one is.
This is just way more negative than I thought it would be by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:13:42 AM
interesting
No, wadi77 by Kurutteru Yatsu	May 22nd, 2008 02:13:50 AM
I've watched the first three on TV at least three times in the past week alone. Not only did I still enjoy them, I actually found myself liking Doom more than I used to. Crystal Skull is simply the weakest film in the series by a mile. Riding off into the sunset at the end of Last Crusade is where Indy's story should've ended.
worse than allan quartermain by bobbychez76	May 22nd, 2008 02:14:19 AM
ya its that bad
Thorstrongstone, eternal life in LC by krullboyisback	May 22nd, 2008 02:14:37 AM
was limited to the temple where the Grail was located. If you recall, the knight says that the power of the Grail is limited to the great seal at the entrance of the place. . once you leave the area, you are normal again, and the Grail can not leave the area
Too late Yack, already bought my tickets by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:15:00 AM
Tell my wife I love her very much.
Indiana Jones VS Alien VS Predator. by The Dark Nolan	May 22nd, 2008 02:15:37 AM
I just saw the midnight showing, holy fucking shit, the plot is from AVP, aliens fucking come to earth to teach us about building technology. FUCK you Koepp for writing that piece of shit, and fuck you Lucas for destroying your own amazing works. This film was AVP, The Mummy Returns and Pirates of the Fucking Carribean put together, a CGI shitfest. A long time ago in a galaxy far far away, Lucas said "A special effect is a tool, a means to telling astory, a special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." Take your own advice Lucas, you suck!!! Christopher Fucking Nolan is the new GOD!
Lets see what other previously decent-mediocre movies we can say by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:16:21 AM
From Hell was better
Since we're ranking things.... by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 02:16:25 AM
2008: 1. Iron Man 2. Indy 4 3. Speed Racer All Time (Selected): 1. Star Wars 2. Raiders 3. Spider-Man 4. LotR: FotR 5. Iron Man 6. X-Men 7. X-Men 2 8. Indy 4 9. Spider-Man 10. Batman Begins
undecided by heks	May 22nd, 2008 02:16:29 AM
I just got back from a midnight showing and I'm reserving judgment on the movie until I see it again tomorrow. I have decided, however, never to go to that theater again. Why you ask? And why am I reserving judgment on the movie? Well, imagine watching Indiana Jones 4 as a play, with the dialog coming to you across a distance and with virtually no musical score whatsoever ... except for maybe a tape deck some kid left on by accident backstage. That about sums up my movie-going experience tonight. I got to see a movie scored by John Williams without actually getting to hear the score. It was like watching a movie on your surround sound system but all channels except for the center channel have gone inexplicably dead. Hence, it seemed more like I was watching a play than a movie. I think they had the Indy theme in the movie somewhere, but I couldn't really tell. So I'm pissed. It made everything seem unreal. I'm undecided on the alien bit, because they aren't actually space aliens but beings from another dimension, which I prefer to the idea of space aliens. The problem is that they look too much like stereotypical space aliens ... but I guess they're trying to use these being as the explanation for supposed alien autopsies. There was some good action ... or at least I think there was. It all felt very low-key with the crap-ass center channel sound. That explosion you see in the trailer with the piece of the vehicle flying towards the truck Indy is in sounded approximately like someone knocking on a door. Tarzan Shia was pretty retarded ... but Shia himself was actually quite good, as was the chemistry between him and Ford. Two things that I found distracting and unlike previous films were glowy hues used by the new cinematographer and the fact that there were so many small-scale shots. The previous films had lots of wide establishing shots and just wide-shots period making it obvious that people were outside. This one had a few "outdoor" scenes that seemed like they were shot on sound stages. I'm particularly thinking of the camp scene where Marion shows up. It's like they were afraid to move the camera to far too any direction for fear of exposing the stage or something. That might be the only one that seemed obvious, but it was kind of annoying. It almost seemed like an indie film rather than Indy film in the scene ... like they were trying to save their budget and not blow it on showing a bunch of trees in the jungle or something. Finally, Koepp wrote some pretty wooden dialog in a few places ... stuff that probably read well on paper but didn't sound right when spoken. I'm kinda surprised Ford didn't say, "this doesn't sound natural". The two things that jumped out at me were when he found the conquistador's body and said, "It's him. It's (insert name) himself" (the "himself" really sounded out of place) and his line during the finale where he says something like, "Their treasure wasn't gold, it was knowledge. Knowledge was their treasure." Thanks, I got that point when you said it the first time. I didn't need you to quickly repeat it. That line might have worked if it was reflecting personal realization of some kind personally profound notion, but I think he was just saying it to Mutt. It seemed odd. Completely unrelated to last point is the find that it kinda sucked that he didn't see the ark. Anyway, it might seem like I'm complaining about a lot of stuff, but like I said, I'm reserving judgment till I see it in a proper theater tomorrow. A lot of stuff is really kinda nitpicky, and I might very well have noticed the same issues with the previous films if I saw them for the first time without any musical score and what little sound there was at an underwhelming volume. I'll give my thoughts tomorrow after I see it again.
I was hoping the critics would be wrong by oneiros88	May 22nd, 2008 02:17:25 AM
I mean I really enjoyed Speed Racer,but this...
I like Temple of Doom by SmokeFilledTavern	May 22nd, 2008 02:17:35 AM
The most overlooked film. It's tight, action-packed and has one of the most colorful and entertaining opening sequences in Spielberg's canon. It's also the darkest and pulpiest of the films, and I kind of like watching it more than RAIDERS these days (just because that one I've pretty much commited to memory). Never really warmed up to CRUSADE and I expect from here on in, I'll just look at SKULL as a mind-fuck of nonsense that is never boring, but never very good either.
LUCAS RAPED MY CHILD!!!!! by TheMcflyFarm	May 22nd, 2008 02:18:20 AM
Seriously, I must report this to the authorities. Oh, loved the movie, btw.
Ranks by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:18:37 AM
1. Speed Racer 2. Iron Man 3. Porn I watched on youporn a few days ago 4. Indy 4
Cheering Normally Means People Had A Good Time by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:18:40 AM
What I love about the geeks on these forums... and that includes people like myself and IndustryKiller... is that we have this elitist attitude about what makes a good or bad film. We raise the stakes and find the flaws in everything we see, and forget to often let a movie be "entertainment escapsim". I know you work in the industry... and so do I. And at the end of the day... it doesn't matter what the hell people like you and I think. It's the general public that matters. I liked INDY4. I enjoyed it. Just like I did TOD and TLC. I love RAIDERS. By the way... I refuse to see X3 cause I really didn't like the first two. Not that this really matters.
IndustryKiller, tell her yourself buddy by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:19:04 AM
You're coming home! Can you name some recent "great" action movies? I think you're right, the genre is getting its ass kicked by CGI, etc.
Critics say Good. Talkbackers say "Shite!" by V'Shael	May 22nd, 2008 02:19:21 AM
My expectations have been suitably lowered.
poeticwarrior by flickchick85	May 22nd, 2008 02:19:46 AM
At least you're not paying to see it. And the trailers actually haven't shown much (a cheesy line or two from Indy, but that's to be expected, and some frustrating CGI, but that's about it), so no, I haven't judged the movie yet based on them. Frankly, there are just as many positive reviews here as negative so far, so I'm trying to hold off judgment 'till I see it tomorrow.
GregoryHarbin...your list by SmokeFilledTavern	May 22nd, 2008 02:19:52 AM
No RAMBO?? I thought that was the REAL return of a great american action hero.
"Entertaining but that's it?" by Bungion Boy	May 22nd, 2008 02:20:00 AM
Sounds like a ringing endorsement. It may not be a masterpiece but if it entertains then didn't it do its job? I think that Last Crusade was entertaining but not much else. I still love it. Crystal Skull was cheesy, over the top, stupid, ridiculous, but frankly I had a blast. Was it perfect? Good god no. The car chase through the jungle was a bit too much. I didn't buy any of the movements as the actions of human beings. But I said, what the hell. I went with it and took the ride. I just laughed and had fun. This might be the worst in the series. Maybe not. But compare it with what George Lucas did with the Star Wars prequel. Steven did a good job considering. I hope they make another one. Even if it's another step down. I just like to see the hat and the whip. Tonight, I felt like I was 6 years old again. I've seen better movies than this that couldn't do that.
Good, but flawed. by HaveBeerWillTravel	May 22nd, 2008 02:20:37 AM
Bitchest first: The first few minutes of the opening were great in terms of establishing a sense of time, which I found important. The set-piece in the warehouse was enjoyable, but it came too early. I would have preferred some low-impact re-acquainting with Dr. Jones and his universe prior to getting thrown right into the plot and it's (admittedly goofy) Macguffin. In point of fact, you could really just cut the first twenty minutes of the movie off and start things up at Marshall College. Speaking of the Macguffin, it was weak--weaker than the Holy Grail. As someone said above, I didn't particularly care who had the skull or where the hell they took it. It was NOT, however, inappropriate. I do not get the whining about the alien thing, though. I thought it meshed well with the time-period--spacemen were a major trope in pop film of the '50s. It was sufficiently infused with archaeological junk to retain the Indiana Jones feel. Ray Winstone's Mac was completely useless. "He's a traitor!" "Wait, he's not a traitior!" "HA, TRAITOR AGAIN, SUCKERS!" He fulfills the same purpose as Last Crusade's Ilsa, but with even less emotional impact. Jim Broadbent serves as little more than a surroage for Denholm Elliot because exposition required such a surrogate. Sort of sad. The effects were absolutely fine, in my personal opinion. The only moments when I had a problem with the SFX execution coincided with the set-pieces that took me right the hell out of the movie--the bomb test, the rocket-sled, the Mutt-as-Tarzan bit, and the final spaceship sequence most egregiously. (The cute animals were also pretty pointless.) I said earlier that I thought the spaceman trope was appropriate, but three of those four action pieces are evidence of that atomic age/retrofuturistic trope being grievously oversold. Purely positive: I liked the chemistry between LeBeouf and Ford. I liked the development of the relationship. I thought Karen Allen was used just fine here, and the Marion-Indy dynamic rang true, evoking some of what made Raiders such a great movie. (The wedding, however, was trite.) I loved the bike chase. I loved the truck fight. I loved the graveyard fight. To be honest, despite all that bitching above... I really liked this movie. For all its flaws, it has that Indiana Jones je ne sais quoi, and that's what I wanted most of all. I'm a happy man.
Keep Hate Alive! by Dark Knight Lite	May 22nd, 2008 02:20:58 AM
You people who are incapable of enjoying anything have my sincere pity.
Is it closer to Last Crusade or Temple of Doom? by flickchick85	May 22nd, 2008 02:21:17 AM
I actually greatly preferred Last Crusade, so I'm hoping it's closer in tone to that. I mean, I'm not including Raiders b/c I know that ain't happening.
CHUD guys hated it by CuervoJones	May 22nd, 2008 02:21:35 AM
Once more, they show us how little they know.
Mako by greentealite	May 22nd, 2008 02:22:15 AM
I'm really not that elitist about movies myself, but i wanted to explain how it could be picked apart. Even with an open mind and not being too critical, i was entertained during some of it, and bored during some of it, and the end had very little payoff. That's about it in 'how i dun liked it' terms.
"It's the general public that matters." by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:23:12 AM
How??? in box office receipts. Yup in monetary bullshit it certainly is the general public. Which is why Shrek 3 and Spider Man 3 were the biggest films of last year. The "general public" doesn't count because they will love literally anything. And it's not their fault. When you have four kids and a mortgage movies aren't the most important thing in life. But the fact remains is 90% have no fucking taste to speak of whatsoever, and therefore we are justified in seeing their point of view (generally, not individually) as irrelevant.
GreenTea by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:23:51 AM
They were silent while stoned behind you? LOL Maybe they were looking too long into the Crystal Skulls eyes!! "Woah... dude... it's talking to me man!!"
Do you remember how to have fun at a movie anymore? by mjayp99	May 22nd, 2008 02:24:19 AM
These talkbacks just start to depress and tire me out now. It’s an Indiana Jones movie for god’s sake. So many of you knew you were going to hate this before you even saw it, and now you revel in your ability to publicly state how right you were. I feel bad for anyone going into a movie, especially a summer action popcorn movie, looking for something to hate. It’s as if some people are actually angry that this movie isn’t terrible. For all of you that just can’t get over how George Lucus ruined your childhood by making silly sequels to movies that featured Walrus Man, A giant Millennium Falcon eating space slug, and the Ewoks, I say… Indiana. Let it go.
Krull by Thorstrongstone	May 22nd, 2008 02:26:07 AM
Ah yes, I had forgotten about the seal. Thanks for the reminder. Everyone having doubts: It is a fun movie, bitch all you want because, at the end of the day, it is going to be enjoyed by millions while your pathetic, angry, bitter comments will be forgotten by the 12 people who read them in about, oh, 48 hours.
Too Indiana Jonesy. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:26:58 AM

I WANTED to like it!!!! by The Dark Nolan	May 22nd, 2008 02:26:59 AM
I am the easiest guy to please, and not just in bed, but this movie was just so bad, I couldn't even convince myself to have fun at it, it's that bad.
It's out already? by ebonic_plague	May 22nd, 2008 02:28:36 AM
Huh.
The General Public Is Irrelevant? by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:28:48 AM
Not when they're the reason you or I are receiving a paycheck. Hey look... have you even seen the movie yet? Cause if you haven't - I'm not sure why you would even be here other than you already have it out for this movie. I've seen you on other boards doing much of the same.
mjayp99, I was actually prety optimistic about this one by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:30:03 AM
Its just not a good movie. Sorry, it's very mediocre. If it sounds like some of us are piling on, well, there's a lot to pick on. As for the good stuff- Ford was back for real this time, Shia was actually decent, but he felt very subdued (almost intimidated) and there were some inventive deaths of bad guys. But for the most part, this was a meaningless adventure. And the alien aspects of the plot were absurd in a bad way. So, don't assume that those of us that didn't love it are prejudging it. That's not the case for me, at least. I was rooting for this to be good.
It's pretty good, some real good stuff. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:31:01 AM
The CGI didn't take away from it much until the end of Cate Blanchett. I like that the artifact is still RELIGOUS, as it should be. Religious from the psuedo-Mayans and religious by modern New Age UFO type people.
Industrykiller by Thorstrongstone	May 22nd, 2008 02:31:26 AM
Could you post AFTER you get the sand out of your vagina? You are a bitter old hag, too mean to have fun, too unimaginative to suspend belief. You better be careful, at this rate you will have a heart attack before Harry does.
10 years ago, this would have been perfect. Culturally. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:32:26 AM

by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 02:33:00 AM

by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 02:33:11 AM

INDY 5 and the HAMMER OF THOR? by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:34:21 AM

INDY 5 and THE EYE OF ODIN? by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:35:05 AM

Their OPINIONS are irrelevant, yes mako by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:35:14 AM
They will literally love anything. Do you trust a dogs opinion on food? Well, it's kinda like that. And no I haven't seen it and I haven't commented on the film here yet. Only peoples reactions thereof. And what other boards have you seen me on? I hope none that arent this site cause it's literally the only one I post on. And if your referring to Massawyrms review of What Happens in Vegas then go to hell. It's fucking insulting for someone to tell me that I can't gleam, just from personal experience, how a movie starring Ashton Kutcher and Cameron Diaz in which they are forced to stay married would turn out. it was a bullshit argument fabricated by Massawyrm because he clearly had no means of defending his point.
NO ONE HAS SAID THIS YET!!!!!!: by BauerJackBauer	May 22nd, 2008 02:36:06 AM
The opening of the film is from the original draft of Back to the Future. In the original draft of BTTF, Marty drives down to a nuclear testing site and hides in a refrigerator (the original time machine). It was awesome to finally see them film this, and to have it be in an Indiana Jones movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INDY 5 and SOMETHING NORSE for a change? by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:36:20 AM

I see myself fluctuaing between by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:36:25 AM
saying "it was diverting" and "it's very mediocre." I think those two statements have some common ground. The movie is worth seeing, just don't expect something on the level of the previous entries. Aside from a few moments with Ford, there is no substantial connection to the previous film's zany, fun spirit. It's a different kind of fun in this movie, but one that requires you to be dumb for 2 hrs.
Mind blowing by cathartist	May 22nd, 2008 02:36:25 AM
is the fact that i thought you were all fans of movies, films and cinema. There are a lot of people out there who will watch any mindless drivel put in front of them and pay 10 bucks a pop to park their brain at the door of the cineplex for two hours a week for just any old flick. BUT WE ARE FILM GEEKS!!! We should have higher standards than the cattle who herd themselves into theaters to see the next big explosion filled blockbuster or moronic comedies and never once question what they are seeing on the screen. I saw Indy tonight with a large group of friends and the consensus was a resounding SUCK! Truthfully people i am not expecting Oscar worthy material here, but WTF? I have been disappointed in Lucas for years but Spielberg and Ford both signing on for this low rent, hack CGI, preposterously plotted joke pains me as a fan. When you expect a movie to be bad, no problem. I willing sat through both Dragon Wars and Forbidden Kingdom in the theater and they both sucked royally, but i knew they were going to suck going in so i really didn't feel any buyers remorse. But when you have high expectations built upon a film makers history only to have it torn to shreds in front of your very eyes, you cannot help but feel betrayed. The sets were sad, the green screen work was laughable, the CGI looked like they contracted the work out the the local community college digital media dept. Some of the biggest action sequences were treated as minor inconveniences. (spoilers!) So apparently duck and cover doesn't work in a nuclear blast but hiding in a lead lined fridge and being tossed a mile thru the air and tumbling around like a top doesn't affect our hero? Five people in a U boat fall over a waterfall the size of Niagara only to all survive in shallow water and regroup with no injuries. Shia learns how to perfectly mimic Tarzan in a matter of seconds by watching Kampuchea monkeys swinging on vines and is able to perfectly navigate the jungle terrain to land on a moving jeep teetering on the edge of a cliff. I understand about suspension of disbelief but give me something to work with here people. Just because you are calling something fantasy or science fiction doesn't mean you have to dumb down every scene and you should still try and give some kind of semi explanation to your viewer. I could really go on and on but i lost all faith in this franchise and the people involved. Aliens? Ok I can live with that but try and explain it a little better than a one sentence inter dimensional archeology explanation from a miraculously cured John Hurt. There are good actors in this movie and the film really tried to have heart in some scenes, but it seriously lost its way and never recovered. I very rarely do this, but i implore you . . . Do not waste your time on the movie, you will only be disappointed.
Yeah, just saw it. by greenstyle92	May 22nd, 2008 02:36:57 AM
Moriarty's review rings the truest. Still, Shogun master put out some mis-info. He said that the box with the Ark was opened and there were some nice lines. Nope. the box is smashed open, and the ark gets a half second cameo, but Indy never sees it.
BauerJackBauer, that's cool if you're right. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:37:52 AM

Take Thorstrongone for example Mako by IndustryKiller!	May 22nd, 2008 02:38:20 AM
He seems incapable of seeing hte forest from the trees in this case. From his comments it seem that all he sees Indiana Jones as is a big dumb action fun. He would be wrong in his thinking, it's much more than that. i'm tellin ya man you can't trust these fuckers.
It's OK.. by JLo III	May 22nd, 2008 02:38:52 AM
He's what I think: It's like hearing your favorite band's brand new song but the melody is kind of weak. You want to hum a long to the chorus but it's not very exciting maybe only a few notes. Everything else is great, the drums sound amazing, guitar solos are rippping, harmonys are increadable, just doesn't have much of a melody. I don't know if that makes much sense to anyone else. Dont get me wrong it was great to see the movie. It looked great. As a matter of fact I thought everything was pretty good except the story. It was just like a two note chorus in a pop song. All that said I would recomend it if you're a fan for sure.
YackBacker, It is the ones that WANT to hate it by mjayp99	May 22nd, 2008 02:38:58 AM
If you go in with an open mind and are disappointed, that is one thing. I remember coming out of some movies that I wanted so desperately to like, only to be disappointed. Spider-Man 3, X-men 3, heck going way back… Highlander 2, Ghostbusters 2. I remember being first in line for Batman And Robin, and I don’t really need to tell you how I felt afterward. I just don’t understand people going into a movie, especially one like this, with hate for it before they see it.
I liked it A LOT by Mezzanine	May 22nd, 2008 02:39:51 AM
...more than I thought I was going to. It was a fun adventure romp. I might even have liked it more than TEMPLE OF DOOM.
Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of Fail. by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz	May 22nd, 2008 02:39:59 AM
Totally f'n sucked. It was exactly the movie I thought it would be. I am not sure what movie the critics saw who liked it because I wish I had seen that movie. Every cliche, the lines, the action, the chemistry (wasn't there) it all felt like a forced effort. Sure there were moments were you say to yourself "that's Indiana Jones" but not enough of them. It's the worst out of the series and does not damage the other 3 quite the way the prequels damaged Star Wars. Still it's stinker. The 12am show was not sold out at all, plenty of seats. I'd say half full actually. The crowd barley reacted to the movie and when it ended a few applauded but most everyone else was quiet and the other 3 people I was with agreed it sucked ass. Wish I had better news to report. Speed Racer was a better movie. Go see that instead of this ****.
Harry cried during that movie by _SnakePlissken_	May 22nd, 2008 02:41:02 AM
When i saw Shia le beef make friends with the monkeys and swing with them on the vines and get them to attack the Russians... I felt like crying too
Don't let Koepp write the next one by GregoryHarbin	May 22nd, 2008 02:42:15 AM
The next one won't have all the baggage of A. Lucas's mildly rediculous MacGuffin, or B. the scripts, the endless scripts. The franchise has now been relaunched. Hire a good writer, make a good Mutt/Indy film, and let's have fun with this every couple years. But please, keep Koepp and his patchworking away. The good parts of the film were those grabbed from better scripts, and I hope Lucas realizes this.
WOW. by robocake	May 22nd, 2008 02:42:55 AM
how does a movie with sub par action scenes, little to no character developement, NO PLOT, marion ravenwood randomly popping out of a tent as a prisoner, and many many more horrible points get such glowing reviews from everyone here at AICN? i love this site but, this movie was pure garbage. it didn't remind me of being 8 years old and seeing indy for the first time, it reminded me of seeing national treasure and but was somehow even worse. at least that shitty movie made a little bit of sense and had a plot as crappy as it was... and wtf? ingenious way of avoiding a nuclear blast? k. right. worse than new starwars. worse than the simpsons for the last 10 years. please, can anyone just leave good enough alone? my childhood is seriously dying...
“It drops three times” was just... silly by YackBacker	May 22nd, 2008 02:43:31 AM
Seeing the characters endure that series of events was too much to accept.
Atrociously bad. by Integra	May 22nd, 2008 02:43:35 AM

Best time at the theatre in a while by sjsfilm	May 22nd, 2008 02:44:36 AM
I loved this movie. I can't believe all of the bad reviews I have read. the movie was so much fun to watch. i can't wait to see it again.
IndustryKiller = Irrelevant by Mako	May 22nd, 2008 02:44:42 AM
First off... you are irrelevant. Cause you don't associate yourself with human beings . Second of all... I seem to recall this forum asking what we thought about Indy 4 after watching it. So now we know you are irrelevant and illiterate. Hurts doesn't it? Knowing everyone here now knows you are an asshole who basically associates most of us with "dogs". Wow... you truly are one arrogant SOB. When is that triple bypass scheduled for you?
What this movie proves is... by TheBigLebowsky	May 22nd, 2008 02:44:43 AM
that everything is subjective! I loved it! I found it had soul! I loved the way indiana reacts to seeing his one true love again! I loved the ending, I loved the way Indy's universe evolved during that 19 year-gap... And yet, some people felt that this movie is pure shit, and will disagree with everything I have felt. Whatever people fell, this IS an Indiana Jones movie, a real, authentic, Indiana Jones movie, made by the creators of the series, acted by the actors that created the roles, and if you don't like it, TOUGH LUCK! It is what it is, and it's not what you'd like it to be!...
cathartist, it's an INDY movie, similar to the previous. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 22nd, 2008 02:45:31 AM
What were you expecting? High art? Like Aronofsky's THE FOUNTAIN. Actually it resembles a B-Movie saturday serial version of THE FOUNTAIN. Similar themes told in very different styles. With the same religious mumbo jumbo. Interesting escapist stuff. That's all INDIANA JONES ever was. And it's good stuff.
The reaction in my theatre. by Bungion Boy	May 22nd, 2008 02:45:36 AM
I saw it a

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