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Did less than stelar business over the weekend
by YackBacker
May 18th, 2008
07:32:18 AM
There seems to be something missing with these movies, I can't quite define what that is, but its definitely an issue.
seeing as the main audience for these films is kids..
by mansep
May 18th, 2008
07:36:59 AM
it doesn;t strike me as particularly wise to go down the darker route. If the studio thinks they can get the same crowd of people who saw LOTR to go and see this i think they're mistaken. Narnia has always appealed mainly to children, in the same way as Peter Pan.
Yeah, I'll watch this.
by Knuckleduster
May 18th, 2008
07:46:17 AM
If only for the retarded bear and Tilda Swinton.
White Witch Scene
by RenoNevada2000
May 18th, 2008
07:48:16 AM
While I like your theological analysis of the scene, I thought as it was presented in the movie it just brought the plot to a screeching halt for five minutes.
Good Review
by NudeandAroused
May 18th, 2008
07:54:03 AM
I saw this last night and was very happily surprised as to just how much better this movie was than the original. The four kids are growing as actors. Also, the movie was mechanically much better than the original.
I was thinking the exact same thing about Inigo Montoya
by cornponious
May 18th, 2008
07:55:52 AM
when I saw the movie last night. Strange...
saw this last night, it's a mess
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
07:57:48 AM
its all over the place. Some parts are good, some parts are just roll-your-eyes horrible.

Still, it is better than the first one, even with the stupid plot point at the end with Aslan essentially giving one of the main bad guys a good life back in the real world because he spoke up first.

Really weird film. It had elements of being a very good film though, but no way I'd see it again. I absolutely can't stand the four main actors.
Narnia is
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
07:59:13 AM
LOTR the people who found LOTR too complicated and scary.
yes, good review, i actually kind of want to see it now
by Holodigm
May 18th, 2008
08:01:54 AM
liked the first one, but for some reason i had no urge to see the second. i'll see it when i visit my parents, they can shill out the money.
This movie tried to be LOTR and sucked
by Bagheera
May 18th, 2008
08:03:49 AM
in other news, Meth Racer just blew my mind
What about the magic vagina tree?
by IAmMrMonkey!
May 18th, 2008
08:20:30 AM
I need to know!
Peter and Susan
by photoboy
May 18th, 2008
08:23:07 AM
I wonder if they really will follow the books and retire Peter and Susan after this film? Considering how central they've been so far I think it might alienate people who've not read the books to suddenly lose two of the main cast.
Fire Shrek-boy, the guy is a creepy hack
by Doctor Zoidberg
May 18th, 2008
08:33:03 AM
These movies would be much better under different direction
once again Drew shows himself to the best reviewer on AICN
by Gabba-UK
May 18th, 2008
08:45:14 AM
I liked the first one but not enough to make the next one anything other than a DVD rental. But I have enough confidence now with Moriarty's reviews to think I'll now give this one my box office money.
The 1st one...
by Ender's Jeesh
May 18th, 2008
08:45:36 AM
... was GREAT! Any movie where Santa Claus appears to give kids WEAPONS is a-okay with me.
This was not better than the first
by geraldbeans
May 18th, 2008
08:45:49 AM
I was bored out of my mind watching this flick. And I thought the first one was pretty decent. In this film, the four leads did not show an ounce of personality. The only redeeming factor was the oldest girls' newfound breasts. Other than that, they could've interchanged any child actor in the world and there wouldn't have been a difference. And the bad guy was AWWWWWFUL. What, a malicious accent and a few sneers is all you need for a bad guy these days?? Please pass on this.
the best character...
by mcfeets
May 18th, 2008
08:58:25 AM
the retarded bear.
Excellent review.
by Yeti
May 18th, 2008
09:04:33 AM
How many books were there in the series?
If Superman And Hulk Were To fight in Narnia
by THENIPPLESOFGOD
May 18th, 2008
09:11:57 AM
Superman would still desroy Hulk
Narnia and Golden Compass
by David Cloverfield
May 18th, 2008
09:16:46 AM
Both were almost great movies, but fucked up. I'm curious about this one - I hope they'LL make Subtle Knife too. Narnia tried to be LOTR too much, Golden Compass had a horrible pacing, and left out the best part of the book - which is the best ending in the genre. I'm still angry about that. Pussies.
I probably should have watched the first one
by CherryValance
May 18th, 2008
09:19:25 AM
all the way through. I fell asleep on it a couple times so I wasn't really prepared to see a sequel. I did look it up on wikipedia but that didn't really help. As a stand alone movie it's odd but I only went to watch a hot guy for two hours. I wasn't thinking Inigo Montoya but at first when he was using the accent I was confused as to whether he was supposed to be doing that or if he just lost his mind. No one else seemed very Spanish. I would also comment on how hot that Skandar kid was turning out to be if he wasn't born on my first day of college.

Anyway, I liked the movie enough considering I was clueless. And I thought the cinematography especially during that fight at the end was super-duper.
the problem with chidren as the leads
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
09:24:16 AM
in a war movie is that it dumbs down every decision. When they were planning whether to hunker down in the cave or go attack the castle, the decision took two minutes. there also seemed to be no passage of time at all in the movie. like everything happened in the same day. And what's with that water thing at the end?
It's really easy to see. . .
by Rikrik_the_Wise
May 18th, 2008
09:24:43 AM
that C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien wrote these stories together what with the trees and the river stuff in the film. I feel that they really had to take those elements which we had already seen in LOTR and take them a step further. This movie was a pleasant surprise, much better than the first one.
Prince Caspian = Disney's Army of Darkness
by KnightShift
May 18th, 2008
09:27:11 AM
But with effects by WETA! Let's see: Heroes whisked away to another place and time to fight evil? Check. Modern technology used in a medieval setting? Check. Body parts chopped off and replaced? Check. Catapults? Check. Assault on a castle? Check. Ultimate evil brought back from the dead? It almost happens in Prince Caspian, so we'll count it. This movie should have just got it over with and cast Bruce Campbell as Miraz ("Hail to the king, baby"). More than once during this movie I found myself thinking it was much like Army of Darkness. Not that it's a BAD thing mind ya but it's weird to be associating that with a C.S. Lewis story...
kids aged?
by Bouncy X
May 18th, 2008
09:53:55 AM
granted i only saw the first movie once around the time it hit dvd but i dont recall ever getting the impression they grew up in narnia only to return home as kids again. did they actually show that or was there a voiceover implying it or what?
I loved it - very bittersweet tone
by Dreamfasting
May 18th, 2008
10:00:46 AM
I find it interesting how wildly different reactions are to this film. My expectations were pretty low going in and I was completely blown away - I loved the conflicting story arcs, the way the children are not purely saviors - at times they are more of a problem and solution to Narnia's problems and their first attempt to turn the tide actually solidifies Miraz's tenuous grip on power. The "did she see Aslan" arc was a bit off because questions of faith are not my cup of tea, but my only real complaint is that the reconciliation at the end was too fast - the Narnians are welcomed as heroes by those they have just conquered (I couldn't help but think the cheering scene was straight out of a neocon dream of how Iraq was supposed to play out). It will be interesting to see if that's an arc that gets picked up on in VotDT.
Pure invention?
by SalvatoreGravano
May 18th, 2008
10:03:34 AM
Something tells me that it isn't, really - am I correct in assuming that this scene with Jadis is just an extension of Lewis's very own moment in which Nikabrik (he is in the movie, I hope...?), along with his unpleasant friends, attempts to resurrect her?

Because if that's the case, then that's no invention of theirs - that's just shooting a few-minute-long sequel to Lewis's idea, so to say.

Oh, and on the one hand, it's good to see that the Shrek director will disappear - but on the other, del Toro won't take over, so there's actually a danger of the best entries - Dawn Treader & Silver Chair - falling into some horribly wrong hands... just imagine seeing:

Disney & Walden Media Present

Liam Neeson | Shia la Boeuf | Lindsey Lohan

in

Brett Ratner's CSS Lewis's THE SILVER CHAIR

Great Review
by MasterBateman
May 18th, 2008
10:05:19 AM
I don't give a rat's ass about the movie, but I couldn't stop reading the review.
Amazing review
by Madeline Ashton
May 18th, 2008
10:13:12 AM
Makes me more curious to see the movie which my nephew informed me that Yes, I will be taking me to this week.
as someone touched on a few posts above
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
10:19:37 AM
outside of trying to kill off Prince Caspian, the main bad guy in the movie isn't really seen doing anything that...bad. I don't know why the people at the end were cheering the Narnians, it's not like it was set up earlier that the main bad guy was a tyrant to his people.
It's PG because Disney raped the MPAA
by messi
May 18th, 2008
10:23:53 AM
read Devin's article.
Caspian Box Office..Flopping!
by CeejayNightwing
May 18th, 2008
10:28:43 AM
It's looking like it'll make $50 - 60 million opening which is LOW, way lower than expectations considering it's opened in more screen than any film this year! Iron Man did $100 million in its opening weekend and Caspian is rumoured to cost a whopping $200 million to make! ...so one of the girls have grown some breasts, huh?
book differences
by oisin5199
May 18th, 2008
10:36:13 AM
First off, I'm not sure what Moriarty's talking about with the White Witch scene. That scene is practically intact from the book. The only difference I can recall is that the witch is more implied and she doesn't address Peter directly as she does in the movie, but I could be wrong. But this scene was NOT invented for the movie.

And yes, the kids aged at the end of the first movie only to return to Narnia as if time had no passed. That's one of the central parts of the book! I didn't have Moriarty's specific problem with the first film in the ending. It's supposed to have a magical fairy tale 'it was only a dream' ending. It's only in the 2nd book that that life is meant to have an impact. And boy, it does in this film. I've said elsewhere, I think the two elder kids are fantastic at portraying the sadness, and frustration at having to live normal lives after being kings and queens of a magical land, and just as sad and desperate once they return to Narnia knowing that it will only be temporary. Especially Peter in his conflict with Caspian and drive to win a battle, any battle. And yes, Peter and Susan ARE only in the first two books (well, and the last one, but that's an apocalypse thing).

I think Moriarty also undersells Dinklage's incredible acting work in this. His character, with Dinklage's trademark expressively sad eyes, is called upon to stand for both a once-great fading culture, and the decline of magic and fantasy in an increasing rational world. He's brilliant, one of my favorite actors around today.

I also think Moriarty does the film a disservice by dismissing the issues of faith present. It's not just about 'did Lucy see Aslan or not.' But about whether or not you believe someone's going to save you or not. Which can be about Christianity. Or it can be about the situation of living in a world where you can no longer rely on magic, or a higher power. The point of the book (and the film) is that there is still magic and God in the world, you just have to work a lot harder to reach it. While the first film/book is a more straightforward parallel to elements of the Jesus story, this film feels more 'religious' in a mature way, in that it deals with questions of faith and what happens to a cultural belief over time (especially after the culture that originated that belief has faded). And like others have mentioned, this is not necessarily a Christian thing, but a universal thing. But it is a religious (even theological) thing. Or call it cultural if you like. But again, even these issues don't overtake the film in any kind of preachy or didactic way.

The ending is somewhat sad and bittersweet when the children return, but Aslan's suggestion that Peter and Susan must know integrate what they've learned in Narnia into their mundane adult lives is quite poignant. This film certainly does have significantly more depth than the first, as it should. It's a decent fantasy film.

White Witch Scene
by Kromag
May 18th, 2008
10:37:41 AM
Just backing up oisin here...the White Witch scene was most definitely in the book...so now you know what C.S. Lewis would have made of it =P
Magic Rat
by oisin5199
May 18th, 2008
10:40:50 AM
Well, the extermination of an entire species is pretty evil. Besides, they weren't cheering the downfall of Miraz so much as the ascension of Caspian, the rightful king whose throne had been usurped. But I also found it interesting that Miraz's main rival who you think will be a good guy is just as reprehensible, and it's actually the soldier who originally tried to kill Caspian who is the noble one.
I'd love...
by jsm1978
May 18th, 2008
10:42:37 AM
to "fail" to the tune of 60 million... Although, with Indy coming out next week, it is going to take a big hit.

I'm sure part of the film not hitting expectations is the fact that all the reviews are saying this is too dark for the younger children, when that should be the audience for these movies. Reading the books, you can tell these are very specifically targeted for kids.

Um you were all thinking of Inigo Montoya because..
by Lemming
May 18th, 2008
10:45:38 AM
Ben Barnes actually said that was his inspiration for the accent in this film. His a big Princess Bride fan. Mystery solved, guys.
Spielberg
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
10:47:22 AM
returns to show the young guns how to construct, pace and edit an action sequence. So long suckers!!!
David Cloverfield, give Narnia SOME credit..
by Lemming
May 18th, 2008
10:48:19 AM
it was no way near as bad as Golden Compass was. Not really fair to utter them in the same breath, mate.
THANK YOU for the comment on Neeson's soporific performance
by Sepulchrave
May 18th, 2008
10:54:00 AM
Aslan was boring enough already without Liam doing his Jedi master hypnotist thing again.
I want to see it on DVD!
by greenstyle92
May 18th, 2008
11:03:06 AM
If I can find and rent it from a Red box and I have a "one free night" coupon!
You'd better deliver on an Indy Review before the day is done.
by greenstyle92
May 18th, 2008
11:03:59 AM
Or else! Bastard in a Basket! Bastard in a Basket!
'too dark'
by oisin5199
May 18th, 2008
11:05:11 AM
this 'too dark' for younger kids thing is kinda ridiculous. Just as many people die in the books, so why should they dumb it down and lighten it? Besides, as Moriarty says, there's very little blood and quite a lot of pantomine. Kids loved Star Wars and quite a few people die in that, I think.
re: exterminating all Narnians
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
11:17:33 AM
I guess that's kinda evil, but you have to remember it's something that his whole family and people were doing long before he came around. He just wanted to finish the job. And really, he sucked as a military leader. His army was WAAAAY bigger than the Narnians, they looked like they outnumbered them 10-1 and they still lost. I mean, it wasn't like LOTR II where they were held up in Helms Deep or III where they were defending Minas Tirith and had a stronghold to rely on, they were fighting out in an open field.
LOTR > Narnia > Golden Compass
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
11:19:17 AM
Lord of the Rings is the Michael Jordan to Narnia's Dominique Wilkins to the Golden Compass' Vince Carter.
First INDY 4 REVIEW from Cannes:
by future help
May 18th, 2008
11:31:50 AM
Cannes 2008: Review - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The early RT verdict on the fourth chapter. by Joe Utichi | May 18, 2008 Blog Article | Discuss Article After more than a year of hoping and praying that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull would do right by fans of the Indiana Jones franchise, the film's first screening in Cannes confirms the worst. There's a brilliant Indy film buried within, but Star Wars syndrome has stuck and Steven Spielberg and George Lucas just couldn't resist dipping into their box of computer-generated magic. Quite aside from a plot torn literally from outer space - we won't go into too much detail save to say that alien visitation plays its part -- where this film struggles to find its feet is in moments in which its characters are forced to tackle increasingly implausible CG set pieces. When the first of these moments is as outrageous as it is, you have to worry where the film plans to go next. And that's the real issue: there's never any true sense of peril. There are only a couple of actual fistfights in the movie and Ford is the ultimate actor when it comes to taking a punch and making you believe it, so forcing him to constantly outrun computer art is not the way to make an Indy movie. Too much reverence for the previous movies and for new technologies probably combined to cause the problem -- everything feels like a movie; the sets feel rickety, the lighting harsh. The original films suffered the same problem occasionally, but they were of their time and totally plausible in spite of it. This would be OK if the CG didn't push too far, but it does so clearly in an attempt to live up to the summer blockbusters of now. There's a lot to love, though. From the moment Ford picks up the Fedora and you see his silhouette as he puts it on you know you're in familiar company and he delights in taking on the mantle of the older Dr. Jones. This is the film's greatest strength; there are a couple of jokes about his age, but nothing approaching Lethal Weapon levels, and you very quickly remember that Indy has never been the willing action hero -- Ford's reluctance is given a whole new angle. But Indy is probably the most wholly realised character. Disappointingly no one else is really given a chance to shine. Ray Winstone swaps sides far too regularly, John Hurt and Jim Broadbent are disappointingly underused and Cate Blanchett has so precious little to do you barely remember her as the credits roll. The verbal arguments between Indy and Karen Allen's Marion Ravenwood is right back to par, though, and the worst kept secret in Hollywood about Shia LaBeouf's character sets him up as a third sparring partner. Unfortunately, Mutt really shouldn't be in the film, there's not enough characterisation to really justify his place and you wonder if he wasn't included purely to satisfy one of the film's, admittedly very humorous, running gags. This isn't as bad as Phantom Menace, and not as much of a disaster as it could so easily have been. You get the impression that Spielberg and Lucas did their best to take on board the lessons of the Star Wars prequels, and you are left in no doubt that everyone involved desperately wanted to do well by the franchise. In moments, Indy IV really entertains and you get the perfect sense that you're back with a character you love. Unfortunately, there are just too many moments that fail to impact at all and the film's real issue is that you just can't feel the danger of the challenges Indy faces.
you just can't feel the danger of the challenges Indy faces.
by future help
May 18th, 2008
11:34:02 AM
that is the biggest problem with so many of action films of the last 10 years. (and CGI just ads to the problem)
Hollywood laziness is destroying the movies!
by BenBraddock
May 18th, 2008
11:55:33 AM
Instead of building the sets, or the effect, or whatever, they just CG it, 9 times out of 10 to the detriment of the film in question. I don't know if it's cheaper that way or not but it certainly seems lazier. Witness the CG lions in "I am Legend" (not to mention the vampires). What was the point? Get a lion wrangler and some lions in there, spare us the crappy computer effects! If the CG is top rate then fine, but usually it aint and we are taken right out of the reality of the film. Not having seen Indy IV yet I can't comment for sure but it sounds like the CG curse has blighted it too. I'll bet if they shot "Raiders" today, the big ball Indy flees from at the now-classic start of the movie would be made of pixels...
The first INDY reviews make it official...
by conspiracy
May 18th, 2008
11:57:02 AM
Computer Generated effects have destroyed film. Fuck you George Lucas..and your shortcut taking, money grubbing, anti-social, who needs expensive sets/artists and months long location shots when I can hire a $30/hr programmer and pocket the difference ways. And YES..Lucas is to blame. As so many have crowed..HE created Modern Cinema. The man is a 3 chinned, bearded Mephistopheles as he apparently has even seduced and corrupted Spielberg. Let us all pray that these first reviews are wrong....but I fear they won't be.
BenBraddock...you are correct.
by conspiracy
May 18th, 2008
12:00:49 PM
The problem is that MOST film actors simply are not skilled or talented enough to act against something that isn't there. MOST actors NEED the prop/person/event/set to act against. It is far easier for a so-so actor to give a decent performance when they can actually SEE the lion...no so when all they can see is a green screen. Film needs to take a few steps BACKWARDS..and discover the artistry of the process again.
There are a lot of positive Indy reviews
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:07:24 PM
at Cannes too, funny that future help seizes on one of the few negative ones.
Variety Indy review - SPOILERS!
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:09:52 PM
One of the most eagerly and long-awaited series follow-ups in screen history delivers the goods -- not those of the still first-rate original, 1981's "Raiders of the Lost Ark," but those of its uneven two successors. "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" begins with an actual big bang, then gradually slides toward a ho-hum midsection before literally taking off for an uplifting finish. Nineteen years after their last adventure, director Steven Spielberg and star Harrison Ford have no trouble getting back in the groove with a story and style very much in keeping with what has made the series so perennially popular. Few films have ever had such a high mass audience must-see factor, spelling giant May 22 openings worldwide and a rambunctious B.O. life all the way into the eventual "Indiana Jones" DVD four-pack. As has been well chronicled, Spielberg and exec producer George Lucas went through no end of writers and story concepts before plausibly updating the action precisely the same number of years as have elapsed since "Last Crusade," to 1957, smack dab in the middle of the Cold War. U.S. versus USSR dynamic spurs the dynamite opening action sequence, in which a convoy of Russian soldiers camouflaged in American army vehicles rolls into a remote desert nuclear testing base in search of a coveted object. Helping them in this effort will be their prisoner, Indiana Jones. With an energy and enthusiasm bespeaking years of pent-up desire to get back to this sort of fun filmmaking, Spielberg sets the period spirit with a rock 'n' roll-fueled drag race and, with the characters' entry into the legendary Hangar 51, intimations of an other-worldly presence. As the aging issue is tossed off with a joke or two, the sixtysomething hero quickly proves that the passage of time will not be an inhibiting factor all these years later, as Indy trades smart remarks with the formidable Soviet officer Irina Spalko (Cate Blanchett) before jumping into action the equal of any of the great setpieces the entire series has previously offered. In Spalko, the film has a villain worthy not just of Indiana Jones but of a James Bond film, one who's madly intelligent as well as appreciative of an opponent she views as a near-equal. With her trim gray uniform, silver rapier, Louise Brooks haircut and piercing blue eyes, Blanchett provides a major treat whenever she's around. The 20 nonstop opening minutes include a striking variation on the many cookie-cutter middle-class housing tracts featured in Spielberg films, this one populated exclusively by plastic figurines enacting a cliche of a '50s Yank lifestyle while awaiting the nuclear test to come, one Indy must quickly figure out how to survive. Even that's not the end of the scene, which runs the length of the sort of Saturday matinee adventure serial that inspired the series in the first place. Like the bravura opening sequence of "Saving Private Ryan," this smashing launch sets a standard the rest of the film has some trouble living up to. When Professor Jones returns to his university, he's informed by his dean (Jim Broadbent, replacing the late Denholm Elliott) that he's being suspended due to FBI doubt over his loyalty. Indiana Jones suspected of commie sympathies? And this after he's already told Spalko that "I like Ike." Another iconic aspect of the decade rolls in with a kid named Mutt (Shia LaBeouf), a leather-jacketed biker who travels with comb and switchblade. Between a contrived fistfight and extended motorized chase around the leafy college campus, Mutt sets the grand adventure in motion by offering evidence of the possible location of the Crystal Skull of Akator, an object of great archeological and, possibly, psychic and other-dimensional fascination. In a nostalgia-producing air travel montage like those in previous series entries, Indy and Mutt make their way to Peru, where the action relaxes in some rather rote creepy-crawly cave shenanigans before the guys lay their hands on the crystal skull itself, an oddly shaped clear cranium that all agree is not of human origin. But it's shortly snatched by Spalko, who believes the skull possesses psychic power that would prove decisive in mind warfare, no doubt ending the Cold War then and there. All this gibberish is merely designed to justify the battle of wits and weapons, which continues apace as the Russians collect two further prisoners, Indy's old cohort and crystal skull expert, the now insane Professor Oxley (John Hurt), and Mutt's mom, none other than Marion Ravenwood (Karen Allen), Indy's flame from "Raiders" and clearly the woman he was always meant to be with. Coming at pic's midway point, it's a welcome reunion, although written to escalate too quickly into intense bickering; a few more initial beats of mutual recognition, to permit the resonance of their relationship to seep back into the characterizations, would have give the rematch more heft. But it's off and running again, with a race through the jungle as the good guys and bad guys jump between vehicles, duel with fists, sabers and machine guns, are assaulted by monkeys and ravenous giant ants and, in an undoubted preview of a forthcoming theme-park ride, plummet down three imposing waterfalls. For pure action thrills, this sequence rates close to the first one, yet there's one more to come, a mixed-bag wrap-up that transports the Indiana Jones series into a realm it's never occupied before but is well familiar to Spielberg and Lucas. For all the verbiage expended just to keep the story cranking forward, David Koepp's script accomplishes the two essentials: It keeps the structure on the straight and narrow, and is true to the character of Indiana Jones himself. Thanks to this and Ford's full-bodied performance, Indy comes through just as viewers remember him: crafty, capable, impatient, manly and red-blooded American. He looks great for his age, although it's never pretended he's younger than he is, and Mutt pays him the ultimate compliment when he says, "For an old man, you ain't bad in a fight." Allen also looks real good and radiates the same winning smile and tomboyish enthusiasm that made her "Raiders" characterization so critical to the film's complete success; her Marion is perhaps the greatest Hawksian female performance in anything other than a Howard Hawks film. LaBeouf eventually earns his stripes after a somewhat forced beginning, and Ray Winstone, along with fellow Brits Hurt and Broadbent, fills out the roster of newcomers as a duplicitous mercenary who switches sides with each change of fortune. Technically, film is every bit as accomplished as one expects from Spielberg and the series. Of the director's key original collaborators, editor Michael Kahn and composer John Williams return in full form. Production designer Guy Hendrix Dyas provides some striking creations, particularly the ancient circular chamber that houses the climax. First three series were lensed by the great British d.p. Douglas Slocombe in bold, clean images, and while Spielberg's now-regular cinematographer Janusz Kaminski has mostly succeeded in reproducing this look, which is very different from his usual style, he still can't prevent himself from letting in some characteristic flared light and hazy backgrounds.
Anne Thompson's Indy review
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:12:34 PM
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had its world premiere at Cannes at 1 PM May 18; the press anxiously streamed into the Lumiere early, afraid they would be shut out--and many were. There were whoos and whistles before the screening started. The movie unspooled without the usual Cannes logo. The first hour plays like gangbusters and is really fun. Harrison Ford has Indy down, even as a grizzled "gramps" dealing affectionately with Shia LaBeouf as a 50s greaser with a pompadour. The answer to the question of whether Indy and Marion Ravenwood (Karen Allen) sired a son is answered pretty early on and is just what you'd expect. As a femme viewer I'd have liked more of the bicker-banter from the first installment. And the movie goes pretty much where you expect it to go--the ending is bombastic and pixilated, even if most of the fast-moving stunts are as live as Spielberg could make them. The film is directed with expert, Spielbergian precision and panache. All of the cast were fine, but I particularly enjoyed Ford and Cate Blanchett as an Elsa Klench-style Russian Colonel. The movie will do blockbuster boxoffice, and whatever critical brickbats are still to come, the media clapped and was polite at the press conference,
The only reason why Mori liked it was because his script was bou
by Mike_D
May 18th, 2008
12:13:16 PM
Now hes happier than a pig in shit. Before that almost every review he posted was negative. SHAM!
Glenn Kenny's Indy review
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:15:14 PM
Best appreciated as a pulp prequel to Close Encounters of the Third Kind...no, I can't. I mean the thing kind of is that, but the fourth Indy installment isn't really an attempt to retroactively create a Spielberg omniverse. But David Koepp's script, from a story by George Lucas and Jeff Nathanson and Herge and Edgar Rice Burroughs and Erik von Daniken and Carl Stephenson and...well, you get the idea...does tie together a good number of Spielbergian themes into an eventually pretty nifty package. Yeah—this is, by my sights, the most fun and least irritating installment of the series since the first one. Although it starts out pretty unpromisingly. The opening third, set in 1957 United States, does for 1957 what 1941 did for, you know, 1941. The waves of references and cultural signifiers come at you in strengths from coy to borderline repulsive, as Indy is kidnapped by post-Stalinists, caught in the middle of a nuclear test sight, falls victim to a HUAC-esque blacklist, and is waylaid by Shia La Beouf dressed up to look like Brando in The Wild One. Ugh. The one bright spot of this section is Cate Blanchett's superb Natasha Fatale impersonation as a Russkie-psychic-military-comma nder or something. (Okay, Ray Winstone—as a Jones partner who appears to sell him out—is Ray Winstone, and hence quite enjoyable. John Hurt turns up later as a whacked-out scholar and is, duh, perfect.) Once Harrison Ford's Jones and LaBeouf's "Mutt" (who introduces himself as the son of some of Jones' confreres, who seem to have been kidnapped) team up to go to South America in search of the titular crystal skull, the movie shakes off its particular case of the cutes and turns into a far more creditable, enjoyable saga. The secret weapon? One of them has to be Karen Allen, returning to the franchise for the first time since the first film. Always the most winning of the Jones women, she's lost none of her spunk and charm and she is, if anything, more beautiful now than she was back then. It doesn't take a script analyst to figure out that some revelations concerning Indy's relations to "Mutt" (real name: Henry) will come out, nor to predict that Jones and Allen's Marion will return to their passionate squabbling...or that a lot of chasing, punching and falling will happen. I gave up on even trying to resist the movie when its centerpiece, a furious chase through the Amazon jungle punctuated with fistfights, gunshots, and swordplay, climaxed with an over-the-top homage to The Naked Jungle. When X: The Man With X-Ray Eyes was referenced later on, I lost whatever critical balance I might have been able to immediately bring to bear. So sue me.
Prince Caspian - $56.5 million opening weekend.
by Pennsy
May 18th, 2008
12:17:16 PM
Rather 'meh', IMO. Speed Racer dropped almost 60 percent. Iron Man at $222m, and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, God love it, is still in the top 10 ($55 million total). :) All from boxofficeguru website, that is.
Damn you, George Lucas!
by Motoko Kusanagi
May 18th, 2008
12:19:00 PM
Damn you to hell!
Pennsy
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:20:28 PM
Not to worry, people are just saving their money for Jones.
kwisatzhaderach...i simply googled a review...
by future help
May 18th, 2008
12:23:58 PM
and thats what came up. i WANT this movie to be great.
Positive Indy reviews at Variety, Screendaily and Empireonline!
by Evil Hobbit
May 18th, 2008
12:24:08 PM
Positive Indy reviews at Variety, Screendaily and Empireonline!

Screen: It is exactly the kind of crowd-pleasing spectacle that the film needed to deliver in order to prove that Indy can still cut the mustard in the age of Bond and Bourne.

Variety: With an energy and enthusiasm bespeaking years of pent-up desire to get back to this sort of fun filmmaking, Spielberg sets the period spirit with a rock 'n' roll-fueled drag race and, with the characters' entry into the legendary Hangar 51, intimations of an other-worldly presence. As the aging issue is tossed off with a joke or two, the sixtysomething hero quickly proves that the passage of time will not be an inhibiting factor all these years later, as Indy trades smart remarks with the formidable Soviet officer Irina Spalko (Cate Blanchett) before jumping into action the equal of any of the great setpieces the entire series has previously offered. Technically, film is every bit as accomplished as one expects from Spielberg and the series. Of the director's key original collaborators, editor Michael Kahn and composer John Williams return in full form.

Times: Never, I repeat never, underestimate the extraordinary imagination of Steven Spielberg. The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is an Olympic odyssey to discover El Dorado and the secrets of an ancient civilisation, and all the most beloved Indy challenges and horrors are conjured up like black magic. Spielberg’s most remarkable achievement is to retain most of the old-fashioned virtues of the original franchise. He is light on the digital buttons, and the swashbuckling is truly great. Harrison Ford, amazingly enough, performs most of his utterly barmy stunts; the actor is in damn good shape for a 65-year-old professor. The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is, quite simply, exquisite nonsense. Welcome back Indy. Lord knows we’ve missed you.
Time Magazine chimes in(dy): spoilers!
by Pennsy
May 18th, 2008
12:27:19 PM
Early in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull — which had its tumultuous world premiere today at the Cannes Film Festival — our hero (Harrison Ford) and his sometime pal Mac (Ray Winstone) come up against a convoy of tough Russians. "This ain't gonna be easy," Mac says, and Indy replies, "Not as easy as it used to be."

The old-guy jokes are as true for director Steven Spielberg and producer George Lucas as for the star. It's 27 years since Raiders of the Lost Ark started the Jones boy on his adventures, 19 years since the most recent Indy movie, The Last Crusade, and 30 years this month since Lucas and Spielberg sat on a Hawaiian beach and made a handshake deal for an action film that one would produce and the other direct. They'd be stupid to ignore the toll that time takes on moviemakers and movie stars. All were in their 30s when they made Raiders. Now Spielberg, Lucas and Ford are, respectively, 61, 64 and 65. And don't forget two other crucial collaborators, composer John Williams and editor Michael Kahn, who have given all the Indy films their cheerfully martial sound and cut-to-the-bone fury.

There are scenes in the new movie that seem like stretching exercises at a retirement home; there are garrulous stretches, and even the title seems a few words too long. But once it gets going, Crystal Skull delivers smart, robust, familiar entertainment. Ford looks just fine, his chest skin tanned to a rich Corinthian leather; he's still lithe on his feet, and can deliver a wisecrack as sharp as a whipcrack. Karen Allen, 56, who was Indy's saucy love Marion Ravenwood in Raiders, still has that glittering smile and vestiges of her old elfin swagger. They needn't break a sweat keeping up with the (relative) kids: 39-year-old Cate Blanchett, the movie's villainess, and Shia LaBeouf, who plays the young lead Mutt Williams, and who may be tapped to continue the series after Ford's retirement — at least that's what Lucas hinted a few days ago here in Cannes.

Crystal Skull is intended, and works effectively, as instant nostalgia — a class reunion of the old gang who in the '80s reinvigorated the classic action film with such expertise and brio. So don't expect the freshness of the what-one-man-can-do plot in Iron Man, or the oneiric visuals of Speed Racer. Spielberg and Lucas, and screenwriters David Koepp and Jeff Nathanson, are looking not forward but back, to the first three films. They know that moviegoers would be disappointed not to see the talismans of Indys past reappear here. Shall we itemize?

1. The Paramount logo dissolves into some kind of mountain. Every Indy films opens this way, from one monument to another. (As Veronica Geng wrote in a review of the first movie, "Spielberg" is German for "play mountain.") In Raiders the logo became a mountain in South America; in Temple of Doom, a bas-relief on a Chinese gong; in The Last Crusade a big boulder in Utah. This time, suggesting more modest aspirations, or maybe kiddingly deflecting the audience's gargantuan expectations, it's a weeny prairie dog hill, from which a critter emerges just before being nearly run over by speeding cars. We're in Nevada, near Area 51, and it's 1957, a time of rock 'n' roll (Elvis's "Hound Dog" on the soundtrack), fear of the Soviets (and why not? they've just penetrated a U.S. military base), fear of The Bomb (hey, what's that mushroom cloud on the horizon?) and mass sightings of UFOs (coming right up).

2. International conspiracies. Nazis in the first and third Indys, Indian Thugees in the second. But it wouldn't be the '50s without Commies, in the chic person of Irina Spalko (played by Blanchett with the severe demeanor of Cyd Charisse's Ninotchka in the 1957 MGM musical Silk Stockings and the black bob Charisse sports in The Band Wagon). Rather than the simple matter of conquering the West militarily, Irina is part of a Soviet plot to cloud our minds by getting access to some secret technology that is concealed either in an Area 51 warehouse or in the remotest jungle mountains of Peru. "We will change you, Mr. Jones, all of you, from the inside," she proclaims. "We will turn you into us." Ewww, creepy. Glad that didn't happen.

3. The Fedora, the bullwhip... the snakes! We see the hat just before we see Indy; brown headwear is still in style in 1957. As for Indy's bullwhip, it's still faster and deadlier than a bad guy's gun. In the opening Area 51 scene, he uses it to disarm about a quillion Russkies, and to swing in Errol Flynn style from one warehoused beam to another. (Mutt will later show the same swinging derring-do on Peruvian jungle vines.) As for the snakes, there's just one, but indy is readier to die in quicksand than to use it as a lifeline. The nifty new predators are South American red ants, which Spielberg and Lucas may have remembered from the 1954 movie The Naked Jungle, and which can swarm over a man by the millions and drag him into their formicary for a nice fat meal.

Woody Allen's latest, unveiled at Cannes, nails the art of falling in love and messing things up

4. A cool car chase. A lot of the elements in Crystal Skull may feel like mandatory reprises of the old tropes, but the high-speed two-vehicle fight between Indy's team and Irina's goons is up there with the Raiders jeep sequence, more complex and sophisticated in its engineering of physical action. (In the post-film press conference this afternoon, Spielberg said, "I believe in practical magic, not digital magic," and in "real stunts with real people.") If there's a scene that film students will be poring over, decades from now, this is the one.

5. Family revelations. Spielberg movies are often about the separation and reconstituting of a family, and the last two Indy films are no exception. In Last Crusade we met Indy's father (Sean Connery) and learned that Indy's real name was Henry Jones, Jr. Indeed, "Junior" was Dad's apparently derogatory form of address for his son. That gag is repeated here, since — as everyone who's paid the slightest attention to pre-release scuttlebutt knows — Mutt is Indy's son by Marion. (Why is he called Mutt? Presumably because, as we learned at the end of The Last Crusade, Indiana was the name of the Jones family dog; Mutt's just extending the breed.) He enters on a motorcycle, in the leather-jacket regalia Marlon Brando sported in The Wild One, and soon displays some of the athletic skills he must have inherited from his absent dad. Whether the smooth-visaged LaBeouf can grow into Ford's craggy machismo — or even whether he can top the teen Indys that have been played by River Phoenix (in The Last Crusade) and Sean Patrick Flannery (in the TV series The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles) — is a question later Indy installments will have to answer.

6. Archaeology! Recall that our hero's day job is as a professor of archaeology. On vacations he goes out, makes trouble and saves the world. Or does he? Indy's job, basically, is plundering indigenous cultures for treasure, in capers that will cost hundreds of lives and add exactly nothing to the lore of civilization. (And, in three of the four movies, he comes home empty-handed.) But heck, it's an adventure movie; leave all ethnic scruples home. Scholars of antiquity will be pleased to know that Crystal Skull — with its runic inscriptions, vanished languages, hidden caves and dreadful secrets — is the archaeolog-iest Indy film yet. In fact, the movie is a little plot-heavy around the middle. It seems more determined to tell a complicated story than to use a story as the excuse for a convulsive. nonstop thrill ride.

7. Start with a big bang, end with terrifying mysticism. The creation of these movies always has this method: start with the opening and climactic sequences — in Raiders' case, the South American cave with the rolling rock and the opening of the Ark with the melting skulls — and work inward. (Or as Spielberg says on the new Last Crusade DVD: "How do we fill in the middle?") Here, the bang couldn't be bigger. The 12 min. opener takes Indy into Area 51, where he escapes into what seems to be an ideal Levittown ... except that the people are mannequins, a nuclear bomb is about to be detonated, and Indy has exactly one minute to find a safe place to hide. (That place is one of the film's smartest inspirations.) As for the ending, well, we're not giving everything away. Let's just say that Indy and Marion could be The X Files' Mulder and Scully on assignment in Peru.

We'll see how David Duchovny and Gillian Anderson cope with middle age in their X Files movie later this summer. They may suffer from the occasional creaking joints of Crystal Skull. (And, truth to tell, there was more applause here at the beginning of the screening than at the end.) But they'd be hard-pressed to inhabit the sleek, satisfying adventure that three septuagenarians and their pals dreamed up here. There's a moment in the film where Mutt sees Indy negotiate some really cool bit of action, and the kid can't help mouth a "Wow." That's the right response to this inevitable summer blockbuster. Lucas, Spielberg and Ford ain't the Over the Hill Gang yet.

Even the negative reviews seem pretty positive.
by greenstyle92
May 18th, 2008
12:31:25 PM
I'm setting my barometer strictly at "Last Crusade" (which I love) and going in that way.
So basically
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:32:21 PM
Indy rocks. Where are the haters now?
Another great Indy review from Empire:
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
12:37:39 PM
So high was Indy fever in Cannes that the normally half-empty Lumiere cinema was packed, packed, packed, with a palpable air of excitement that resulted in an unprecedented burst of applause as the lights dimmed, followed by an impromptu sing-song of John Williams' famous theme. Well, the good news is that there was applause, and cheers, at the end too, which is pretty unusual at Cannes. Yes, there were a few boos, but there were always going to be, since Cannes critics are a tough crowd. Although it could never be the Indy film you dreamed of (when has a sequel of this pedigree ever delivered on the expectations of people who've had 19 years to obsess and fantasise about it?), this is NOT the Indy film you were dreading. Empire's official verdict is still being mulled over, and there's plenty to discuss, but it's safe to say that Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull has done nothing to dilute the integrity of Spielberg and Lucas's classic hero. Indeed, although Indy's showing some creaking bones and doesn't crack a whip quite as elegantly as he used to, this is a slick, fun film that has by no means sacrificed the fast action beats of the first three. Even by the franchise's own standards, this is off to a quick start, opening in 1957 with a procession of army vehicles being pursued by teenyboppers. Elvis' 'Hound Dog' is on the soundtrack, but the biggest surprise is the look of Indy 4. Beautifully shot by Janusz Kaminszki, the style here is pastel-hued 50s, and the structure of the film follows suit. As promised by Lucas and Spielberg, the film has followed Indy into a new decade, with the Cold War on the rise, the American public looking for “Commies in their soup”, and the nuclear family becoming the norm (a gag the film literally riffs on). Gone is the pulpy Republic serial looks of the originals, in their place a sophisticate, brightly lit sheen, with nods to 50s films as diverse as The Wrong Man and Vertigo. Older readers might go so far as to liken it, in look, to the adventures that Fritz Lang made when he went back to work Germany in the late 50s: The Tiger Of Eschnapur and The Indian Tomb. So what to give away? Well, let's not talk about specifics, but the rate of beats, and they come thick and fast. In fact, it moves so quickly that Indy is revealed – in the scene from the original trailer – in the first five minutes, just as soon as the teenyboppers drive out of the scene, leaving us in an ominous military base in a remote atomic testing area. And so are the key players: Ray Winstone as his old army buddy Mac and, more pertinently, Cate Blanchett as Irina Spalko, a bobbed, icy spy who is charged with investigating the paranormal for the Soviets (hence the “psychic Russian” guff you'll have read). As you might expect, Indy gets out of this scrape (or there wouldn't be a film), and for reasons we can't reveal yet, Indy's teaching days might well be over. Next, a chance meeting introduces us to fiery rebel Mutt Williams (Shia LaBeouf), a quiffed, bike-riding rebel who likes his hair in a cool James Dean-style pompadour and bears a grudge that will lead Indy to the lost, believed mythical, gold-paved city of Eldorado. More will be revealed in Empire's official review, which we'll post in the morning, but for now, it's safe to say that Indy tamed Cannes, an obstinate crowd at the best of times. You might read damning reviews in the meantime, both from film snobs and film nerds, but as Indy admonishes a geeky student after a thrilling chase through his campus, some people need to get out more...
She is fabulous
by Lawrence1235
May 18th, 2008
12:39:55 PM
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Fuck Narnia! Indina Jones Cannes takes critics by storm!
by Proman1984
May 18th, 2008
12:44:59 PM
Fuck yearh!
You forgot to mention Reepacheep
by knowthyself
May 18th, 2008
12:52:50 PM
They hit him outta the park. He was everything I had imagined from the books. Well done.
What the fuck? This is Narnia not Indiana jones.
by knowthyself
May 18th, 2008
12:55:34 PM
Put that shit in another talkback thats actually about Indiana Jones.
knowthyself who give a shit about Narnia?
by Proman1984
May 18th, 2008
01:08:04 PM
Indy owns all talkbacks and your ass too!
I'll wait for Merrick's son's review
by MattmanReturns
May 18th, 2008
01:14:20 PM
That's all that matters, Danny. "It was slow. I had to go home and watch Transformers again right after."
Can it be? Is it good?
by BenBraddock
May 18th, 2008
01:16:16 PM
I don't dare read the reviews for spoilers but goddammit I think it might be good!!! Thursday evening can't come quick enough
Cool, the reviews by proper critics look good!
by pokadoo
May 18th, 2008
01:21:27 PM
The AICN early reviews were just a bunch of fanboys desperate to say "FIRST!! MEH! Jumped the Shark etc". Although I am completely in denial at this time, and just want to hear what I want to hear. Please be good, Indy! Just pray this is no Die Hard 4 letdown.
Hollywood Reporter Review Of Indy
by fassbinder79
May 18th, 2008
01:21:52 PM
Sounds awful. You be the judge: http://www.hollywoodreporter.c om/hr/awards_festivals/fest_re views/article_display.jsp?&rid =11117
magic rat
by igotbigballs
May 18th, 2008
01:23:36 PM
don't give away plot points ass hole, the movie has only been out 2 days.
Oh yeah, hope Prince Crapsian is good too!
by pokadoo
May 18th, 2008
01:23:48 PM
Lion, Witch & Wardrobe was pretty, but Souless.
Eat that shit Merrick and Shogun!!!!!!!!!!!
by virtual_ninja
May 18th, 2008
01:34:50 PM
indy 4 rocks!! boy the both of u must feel pretty embarassed. Fucking assholes.
I love the Indiana Jones movies, but LeDouche gives the movie...
by DarkCouncilus
May 18th, 2008
01:36:38 PM
... a bad name. I know the "chosen" can do above average acting but his real life self-entitlement is overwhelmingly annoying, right there in the supreme-asshole department along with Jamie Foxx and Kirsten Dunst.

La Douche has to have golden rectum that hypnotized Spielberg into believing him worth the bet for Indy franchise, because IMO his acting skills are just below what you see at the average Lawyers TV series.

Yeah..when Indy lets down you sorry ass fanboys.
by knowthyself
May 18th, 2008
01:37:49 PM
I'll be here to wipe your sorry ass fanboy tears.
Suck Indy's musty, leathery but still action packed...
by FlickaPoo
May 18th, 2008
01:46:14 PM
...BALLS HATERS!! You've shamed yourselves and your families by wanting Indy to fail....now you must pay the just price...suck them and suck them VIGOROUSLY!
I sure Indy 4 gets his well deserved welcome, just a petion...
by DarkCouncilus
May 18th, 2008
01:50:56 PM
I propose a CGI change between the mugs of Shia LeBeouf in Indy 4 and Emile's from SR, each to the movie they actually deserved to be in.
What happens when the actors become adults?
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
02:11:35 PM
Assuming they become older in the books of course. I mean their are 7 books. You know how fast child actors grow. What happens when they are adults and they end up looking nothing like their adult versions in the first Narnia. They'll be continuity issues.
The Indy reviews sound mixed to me
by flickchick85
May 18th, 2008
02:13:25 PM
So far, from what people have posted here from Cannes, Indy seems to have 3 or 4 positive reviews from major publications, and a couple of quite negative ones. I wouldn't say "it rocks" yet. I want it to, and I really hope the future reviews fall more in line with the positive ones, but I for one am keeping my expectations tempered, so as not to set myself up for disappointment.

And Narnia looks to be another rental.

RE: What happens when the actors become adults?
by DarkCouncilus
May 18th, 2008
02:14:10 PM
In this instance I'm totally cool with changing the kids for the next movie or the one afterwards.

Disney took it's sweet time with this canned sequel and had to take the kids as they are now. For fuck sake, the older sister is 20!

Tis the geek website
by messi
May 18th, 2008
02:34:57 PM
going crazy over indy reviews. fucking reviews. can't even wait a few days. i like it. maybe when the spielberg green lantern movie comes out it will be a geekfest all the same.
Sounds much improved, looking forward to it
by pipergates
May 18th, 2008
02:43:30 PM
Thanx again Moriarty.
I really liked Caspian
by versatol
May 18th, 2008
02:55:42 PM
Better film than the first one... and a good call creating that castle invasion thing.  That "invented" scene was one of the best parts
"What happens when the actors become adults?"
by chrth
May 18th, 2008
02:57:13 PM
Not an issue with Narnia. Peter and Susan aren't in Dawn Treader (it's Lucy, Edmund, and coustin Eustace). Silver Chair is Eustace and a classmate (Jill).
$56 million weekend, exceeded expectations overseas
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:08:13 PM
You call this a flop? Pfffft. It did solid numbers and CinemaScore says audiences gave the film an A. Flop my clavicle. You fanboys need a course in remedial math.
sorry to spoil narnia
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
03:08:40 PM
a children's movie, based on a book that's been out for over 50 years.
"Caspian" is very good, if very dark
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:11:46 PM
Personally I wish Adamson had included the "holiday" Aslan initiated in the book, where he, Lucy and Susan plus the god Bacchus and other dieties run through the town of Beruna singing and freeing children and animals alike from bondage and boring schoolwork. Plus they drink a lot of wine. It was a beautiful moment in the book and it's a damn shame it's not in the film. But just the same, the film's pretty amazing. I think it'll have pretty good legs, Indy or no Indy.
Bullwhips are gay, BanannaHammock
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:16:15 PM
You need a course in remedial spelling.
And Moriarty, since when is a lion boring?
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:18:22 PM
Liam Neeson did a great voice and the CGI lion was freaking amazing. Beats all the tther movie Jesuses I've ever seen. If Aslan were literally the Christian god I'd convert in a minute.
Knock off the Indy reviews already
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:21:21 PM
Does the success of "Narnia" really scare you bullwhippers that bad?
Fireproof
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
03:28:57 PM
We need to talk about Indy and there's no Indy talkback yet. And the Narnia films suck balls.
I wouldn't call Caspian a success
by flickchick85
May 18th, 2008
03:31:44 PM
The box office projections for this ranged from $70 million to $90 million. It's not a flop, but certainly a disappointment. And with Indy coming in next week to take most of its family audiences, I wouldn't expect it to have very long box office legs.

That said, I also think the box office expectations for Indy are possibly too high, so it might end up being a "disappointment" as well, but far from a flop. I could be wrong, though, it being Memorial Day weekend and all.

Digital Effects are ruining film!!
by warsinthesun
May 18th, 2008
03:32:24 PM
Just do it for real like they did in Iron Man! Make a real suit and fly her in the sky and film it!
To hell with all you critics
by THENIPPLESOFGOD
May 18th, 2008
03:54:09 PM
If I like the movie, I like it, If I don't, I don't. Hollywood could care less anyway, as long as they get your money and believe me Indy will get your money! Fortune and Glory kid, Fortune and glory
Kwisatzhaderch, your need for Indy sucks balls
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
03:59:02 PM
You can't even wait until like a week, maybe less, for the fanboy gushery to begin on an unnecessary sequel? Not that I won't probably go to see it. For one reason: Marion. She should have been in ALL the films. But otherwise I'd be laughing my ass off at this new Indy film. It's an unnecessary as the X-Files film. At least Narnia isn't a remake of an old old series *yawn*
CinemaScore says audiences gave PC an A
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
04:00:34 PM
Heh, that's kind of a suggestive phrase, come to think of it...anyway you can believe the "professional" movie critics or believe the everyday folk who saw "Prince Caspian", and according to Cinemascore they all loved it. Booyah.
Yes, flickchick, but Memorial Day will help Caspian too
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
04:01:42 PM
Who's to say how much, but it'll help.
Indy Reviews are mixed, why?
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:16:12 PM
I will tell you why. Because everyone is expecting too much. Every review ends with, "this is no Raiders." "This film didn't have the same reaction we had when we first saw Raiders." Well DUH! If you're expecting that. Then you're a retard! In 81 Raiders was fresh and new. Now it's old and tired. Just go in expecting another Indy chapter in the Indy files and you'll be fine. Stop comparing so much. It's 19 years later. Why would it be the same for Indy in 57?
Some parents are dumb
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:19:12 PM
They were following the Narnia books. What they're gonna change it for the kiddies? Back when the narnia books were released kids were allowed to read these books. we could watch warner bros cartoons and tom jerry. good ol fashion violence. now everything is too violent. get over it parents. these parents grew up with violence. they turned out ok.
Are you sure gotham_night?
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:22:47 PM
What do you really want out of this Indy film? I'll tell you. To relive your youth. That's what most geeks here want. They want that Indy magic again. Well we're all older now. We're different people. We want the films we dream up in our heads. we dream too much about what our favorite film franchises should be. It's the reason why the SW prequels were doomed from the start.
Spielberg trying to please everyone?
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:27:22 PM
Spielberg is giving us both what he thinks old Indy fans want in an Indy film and at the sametime trying to cater to what he thinks modern audiences want or expect in modern action filcks. That was a long sentence hehe. Wait when did this become the Indy4 thread? I should save these for that thread.
Fireproof
by kwisatzhaderach
May 18th, 2008
04:31:34 PM
You do know that Narnia is based on 50 year old books? And that there have been animated and live action TV versions? Just checking.
TOD had an Indy VooDoo doll!
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:35:27 PM
How can you take Indy movies seriously? It's all in good fun. Just enjoy the ride
In 57 does Indy know what became of Short Round?
by Orionsangels
May 18th, 2008
04:37:48 PM
Did he graduate college? I mean he raised him since he was 4
it would be nice if...
by Captain Katanga
May 18th, 2008
04:39:20 PM
... there was some kind of Indy review talkback on this fucking site. These reviews have been pouring in for hours, and the general consensus is very positive. Shogun Warrior is looking more and more like a PRIZE TIT, and yet his review was on this site quick as a flash. Yeah, I know its a bit different, that was the first review, but for fucks sake Indy is the biggest event in the geek world for years and this site should have fucking reacted by now!
LOTR>NARNIA>GOLDEN COMPASS>STARDUST..
by KurtLockwood
May 18th, 2008
04:41:42 PM
>ERAGON>BRIDGE TO TERABITHIA
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
May 18th, 2008
04:46:08 PM
Damn You Michael Bay
Prince Caspian is yet another film that's far too long and borin
by BigTuna
May 18th, 2008
05:02:28 PM
It drags considerably. Why is it 2 and a half hours exactly? And why was speed racer over 2 hours?
Apologists
by wintocha67
May 18th, 2008
05:14:11 PM
I just can't watch it. It would go against everything I don't stand for.
what an insanely violent movie
by BMacSmith
May 18th, 2008
05:48:44 PM
you can hear the parents squirming as cute cg mice slit Spaniard's throats.
WOW THAT WAS PG?
by BMacSmith
May 18th, 2008
05:51:39 PM
haha i guess violence is good when Jesus Lion is behind it.
But.. but what about the Retarded Bear??
by theycallmemrglass
May 18th, 2008
05:56:29 PM
Seriously, I want to see this film purely because of what I hear about the unintentionally funny Retarded bear. I want to see a cult classic character in the making...
Instead of a Muttbeef sequel,
by Dingbatty
May 18th, 2008
05:59:15 PM
focus on the adventures Short Round/Ke Huy Quan. He acts in martial arts films, now.
Dannyglovers
by theycallmemrglass
May 18th, 2008
06:12:28 PM
Well, still sounds like a hearty laugh out moment I want to share with the audience and I do actually want to see the film anyway...I exaggerated when I said it was purely for the Bear ;)
Witch scene and Mori's review
by AntoniusBloc
May 18th, 2008
06:22:36 PM
The witch scene, first of all, is one of the coolest in the film, and i witnessed a couple of kids literally run out of the theater in the middle of the werewolf's lines...Mori's partly right, they didn't actually go through with summoning the witch in the book, but it was suggested, to the point of the bloodshed that did eventually occur in the scene, but it never got to the point of them actually going through with it. But it was a great addition for the film, very suspenseful and scary. And great review by Mori, probably one of the only reasons I come back to this site. As far as box office, it didn't meet expectations but it still did well, considering the timing of release, the competition of a film doing very well called Iron Man. At the same time, it made more money on Saturday than it did on Friday, so this could have momentum to still do very well overall. And you just got to love the endings of Lewis and Tolkien stories, yes they are happy endings, eucatastrophic, but always have that very different aspect than any other story or movie, something very unique, and very satifying. As far as its similarity to LOTR, its interesting because Lewis, a good friend of Tolkien, really did copy a lot of Tolkien's ideas, but Tolkien also was one of the first people to read his stories.
did anyone else get a "Dark Crystal"
by Magic Rat
May 18th, 2008
06:25:21 PM
vibe from the witch scene in this movie?
Kwisatzhaderach, Narnia's new, Indy's old
by Fireproof
May 18th, 2008
06:52:03 PM
The last Indy film came out 19 freaking years ago, okay? And you were aware that there were 3 of them? It's OLD. Narnia may be based on books written in the 1950's, but they have never been adapted in major motion pictures until recently. Got it now? Jeez. Harry, start a talkback on Indy already. I liked it better when these geeks used every talkback to bitch about Bush.
kids in the theatre?
by oisin5199
May 18th, 2008
06:56:31 PM
Parents who take kids to see freakin' Beowulf ARE stupid.
Swinton's appearance shows why this one was inferior
by Behemoth
May 18th, 2008
06:57:34 PM
....because the story of the Wardrobe is just so superior to this. Kids will probably (and did) like this, although parents will have a tough time perhaps explaining cute mice with swords stabbing people in the face.
The film is fairly well cast and well-acted, and some of the effects are wonderful, but, Good Lord, a water "creature", the living trees, flying creatures...so much we've seen before and better in LOTR. I have no idea which was written first.

The battle scenes were excruciatingly boring. When you know there's ZERO chance of any main character dying, it just becomes an exercise in drudgery. And why couldn't that little munchkin just give some of that resurrection juice to EVERYONE??? She had a totally full bottle there, and all it takes is a drop. Little skank.

No way this was superior to the first film in any way. The villain in the first was FAAARRR more interesting, the appearance of Father Christmas, etc.,etc., etc. THis was far from a bad movie, but it was also far from enthralling to me.

I can't believe so many people care about this movie
by geraldbeans
May 18th, 2008
07:10:41 PM
It looks like a bad version of steven spielberg's idea of a video game cutscene. It's the same as when arnold came back for T3 and Stallone came back for Rocky. In the end, you couldn't stretch your imagination that much. They were 60 years old. Just like your 60 year old father. People that old don't go swinging on ropes in caves. and reveiews mean absolutely zilch for this movie just like reveiws meant nothing for the prequels. The majority of these reviewers are looking through trying-to-be-children-again eyes at their favorite character of all time. How in the world can you be subjective reviewing a film like that?
Uh Mori,
by Spamster
May 18th, 2008
07:25:06 PM
"I’m curious to see what C.S. Lewis would have made of the sequence." Hopefully it will be a long time before you get the chance to ask him. Or hold a seance if you can't wait! However, I would be interested as well in learning what his estate says about it all.
"what his estate says about it all."
by chrth
May 18th, 2008
07:50:14 PM
I wouldn't worry about it. Lewis doesn't have any descendants on the level of Chris Tolkien. I do not look forward to the day Chris dies and controls passes to someone else.
Anyone saying Raiders is boring...
by spectrebeeyatch
May 18th, 2008
08:26:20 PM
Is banned from movies forever and if I ever see you on the street I'm kicking your ass. Also back to point Caspian is better than the first and a lot of fun but just a tad bit long and little too much religion.
I probably shouldn't like this film
by INWOsuxRED
May 18th, 2008
08:41:44 PM
I didn't much care for the first, and I found the LOTR films to be flat and lacking life. I wasn't excited to see this one(my wife MUST see the Narnia movies), but like many others, I was pleasantly suprised at how much I enjoyed this one. I'm sad to hear there is a new director for the next one, I was impressed by the growth from the first to the second film, and I was hoping we would get to see even more growth the next time.
Hey Mo! Get your ass outta Narnia and over to the Kingdom of the
by MrD
May 18th, 2008
08:46:58 PM
Reepicheep vs Puss n' Boots
by Maui
May 18th, 2008
09:00:58 PM
I found this movie enjoyable. The cinematography was breathtaking, the soundtrack was inspiring. The special effects were cool. Prince Caspian had an accent that was sketchy in parts. Reepicheep was annoying as hell. I was really hoping he would drown in the river. Oh well.
Reepicheep was GREAT!
by TheGhostWhoLurks
May 18th, 2008
09:52:57 PM
Man... that was one bloodthirsty mouse! He even slit one guy's throat hanging upside down... let's see Batman do THAT! :)
Good film, BTW... Much better than the trailers looked!
by TheGhostWhoLurks
May 18th, 2008
09:54:05 PM
Go see it!
The older sister is 20?
by empyreal0
May 18th, 2008
11:00:27 PM
Good, makes me feel a lot less guilty for wanting to bang the hell out of her.
Curious point
by EagleDelta1
May 19th, 2008
01:46:05 AM
that my roommate made is that we need to stop comparing fantasy movies to LOTR - there's never been a fantasy movie as it in the past and probably won't be one for a long time. No current Fantasy movie, adaptation or not, can even come close to comparing to LOTR. If you guys want to see a truly horrible fantasy movie - watch Eragon.
In case you didn't catch it
by EagleDelta1
May 19th, 2008
01:48:31 AM
I enjoyed the 2 Narnia movies, but they are nowhere near perfect. In fact the books these 1st 2 movies are based on are nowhere close to being the best in the series. & I'm very curious to see what direction Michael Apted with Voyage of the Dawn Treader
Loved it!
by Charinger
May 19th, 2008
03:16:23 AM
I thought Prince Caspian was fantastic, the action was spread out superbly with good massive battles and one on one fights. I was interested to see how the kids were going to act as adults right from the get go because of their experience in Narnia, and they definitely act more like adults and fight a hell of a lot better. I love how it starts with the escape of prince caspian, definitely starts the darker tone really well. Overall I really enjoyed it! Second of all I really don't understand the gripe of religious undertones. They're not so blatant. Just because in the first film the pevensies were called the son of adam and daughters of eve defined them as humans, apart from the narnians. Aslan never states that he is their "father, lord or savior". Just because he is sacrificed on the stone tablet and brought back does not blatantly defy him as christ. I think people read into it too much just because C.S. Lewis was an atheist turned christian and wrote a hell a lot about christian philosophy. This is a "movie" people! Not a medium that is supposed to spread christian ideals. I mean hell, I know hardcore christians that want nothing to do with fantasy and believe it's heresy. Obviously C.S. lewis wrote about an interesting world to entertain people, not to preach to them.

by hopewell1
May 19th, 2008
04:31:11 AM
The Bear sounds more like he's yawning when he says "For Aslan". But yeah I can see it sounding retarded to some people. I don't think he has a talking action figure but if you buy some of the Narnia toys and then pick up a plastic bear toy at the zoo or toys r us or something, it'd make a great diarama for your computer desk...just uh don't expect many people to get the joke.
INWOsuxRED
by messi
May 19th, 2008
04:33:24 AM
you thought LOTR lacked life because you're a fucking zombie.
AntoniusBloc: Lewis published Chronicles BEFORE tolkien publishe
by knowthyself
May 19th, 2008
07:26:02 AM
So Tolkien actually "borrowed" alot of his ideas. Like the trees coming back to life.
good film that succeeded where LOTR failed
by gernblanston67
May 19th, 2008
10:16:20 AM
Saw this over the weekend. Good, not awesome, but a lot better than the first. What this movie does better than LOTR is show character development. The movie relied on the performance of the actors in this film (the four kids), and they dod a vreally good job of growing up in this movie. Surprisingly effective film.
knowthyself you're so incorrect it's staggering
by Luth7777
May 19th, 2008
10:25:26 AM
Tolkien never borrowed anything from Lewis. Tolkien was creating his mythology and worlds literaly decades before either Narnia or LOTR saw print. Tolkien disliked most, if not all, of Lewis' writing, in particular his entire approach to Narnia, and would never have touched anything in it with a 7ft longsword. The years where Tolkien started his creative processes and blue prints for Middle Earth, as well as his dislike of Narnia in general, are all very well documented. His love of Trees and nature and his presenting them as "Good", and his presenting machinery and technology as tools for war, as "evil", began during the years he fought in WWI. He began seeing trees as the guardians of the world long before Lewis ever out pen to paper for Narnia. One could argue Tolkien's entire mythos revolves around nature and Trees. Throughout all his Middle Earth books trees represent wisdom, honor, strength and all that is pure and good in the world, from The two Tree's of Valinor, to the White Tree of the Kings, to The Ents. To imply Tolkien took any major ideas from Lewis, in particlaur, the role and symbolism of trees, is horribly ignorant.
Luth7777, dannyglover
by oisin5199
May 19th, 2008
11:57:07 AM
Luth7777 - I think part of Tolkien's friendly rivalry with Lewis was that Tolkien was working on his novels for so long, had told Lewis about his ideas and mythology, and while he was still trying to get it right, Lewis rushed in and published his 7 books. So Tolkien's ideas were first, but Lewis beat him to the punch with the publishing. I really think the two series are completely different tonally and thematically and I think most comparisons between the two (especially here) are very surface and do both series an injustice.

dannyglover(I'm not saying your whole ridiculous name) - I totally get your dislike of the cg stuff in Lord of the Rings. I hope someday Jackson can pull a Lucas and clean some of that stuff up. But just because a movie has better technology and it looks better, doesn't make it a better film. If you think Treebeard is an unnecessary character than you COMPLETELY miss the point of the films and the books. And, um, the whole point is that Frodo is in danger every step of the way, so the near deaths are kinda part of the journey. And though I appreciate some of the character work in the Narnia films (way more than the books had), you're on crack if you think that work even approaches the depth of the LOTR performances. Hell, even Gollum was an achievement of amazing acting and depth. But are you really saying that these unknown teenagers are even close to the great Ian McKellen, Ian Holm, Cate Blanchett, Elijah Wood, Andy Serkis, Viggo Mortensen, and Sean Bean? I'll give you Orlando Bloom and Liv Tyler (maybe even Sean Astin), but come on!

oh, and I'll say this right now
by oisin5199
May 19th, 2008
12:00:16 PM
Peter Dinklage as Thorin! That's one case where a Narnia actor would act the pants off a LOTR actor. Sorry, John Rhys-Davies!
Forget LOTR. Narnia hands Potter his own ass.
by knowthyself
May 19th, 2008
12:47:51 PM
Seriously. Narnia changes kids, settings, and truly has the balls to shake up the mythology. The very fact that two central characters do not return in book 3 and in book 2 Narnia is completely different shows Lewis truly evolved his world. Potter is the same shit every book. Same exact locations, always fighting voldemort, and at the last minute Potter gets saved by someone.
dannyglover
by EagleDelta1
May 19th, 2008
01:19:38 PM
I can understand your disdain for CG, especially after its' misuse in so many movies, however - having read LOTR I have yet to be able to see how it could be done w/out so much CG. Those HUGE battles, Gollum, Shelob, the Balrog, the trolls, all that stuff appears in the books and play a fairly important role(except maybe the trolls) - you can't just trow them out cause you don't want to use CGI.
knowthyself, dannyglover
by oisin5199
May 19th, 2008
01:45:26 PM
knowthyself: gotta call ya on a weak argument. Don't assume that different characters = better, more complex writing. It's a lot more difficult to evolve a character over time, than it is to just drop a character and add a new one. Eustace in Dawn Treader is an example of the 'new, cuter kid' syndrome in tv sitcoms. He's the new Edmund. Snarky, intolerable, until he goes through something and becomes a hero. That's not evolution, that's just repeating the same tricks. Not that it doesn't work. Dawn Treader remains one of my favorite of the series. Now I'm not saying Potter or Narnia are better, just that your basis for comparison and criticism is faulty. Though, again, with the cg issue, Narnia wins out over Potter. The centaurs in the Potter films are ridiculous (at least in the first movie), whereas the Narnian centaurs look amazing and practically seamless.

dgdb: again, the trees coming to life in Narnia is a different thing than the Ents in LOTR. With Narnia, the implication is that the trees are literally a faceless group mind, probably controlled by the power of Aslan (or God), whereas the Ents are an age-old specific consciousness. Tolkien makes a distinction between Ents and those who have given up the world of consciousness to become trees. This was a concept later borrowed by Alan Moore and (more thoroughly) Rick Veitch, in the DC Swamp Thing run of the 80s and 90s, with the earth elementals and the Parliament of Trees. For the LOTR movie (and the book), it was important that there be a race of beings for which time (mostly) didn't matter, who were older than any other race and had seen it all. They usually couldn't care less about the petty wars of Middle-Earth. But the threat of Sauron and Saruman were enough to get some of them thinking, thus the Entmoot. The whole point is that there has to be a debate, and then they finally decide that Sauron and Saruman are a threat to Middle-Earth itself, so they get involved. That even this historically neutral and oblivious race has determined that they must take a side is pretty significant. This is a much more complex process than some trees coming to life. It's a discussion of the nature of evil, and true to the depth of Tolkien's tales. And on a practical level, you needed a character with a face for Pippin and Merry to interact with.

Gotham night: it's on DVD
by MGTHEDJ
May 19th, 2008
03:12:39 PM
The BBC version from the early 1990's is on DVD. One good thing is Warwick D. plays Reep. But be warned, the girl playing Lucy is HORRID!

Haters need to stop hatin'. "Prince Caspian" was in keeping with the spirit of the book. It's the weakest of the first 3. So weak the BBC version told the whole story in 50 minutes. The notion of "where is Aslan" is about all the loss and bloodshed during WW 2. How could God foresake the world at that time?

****SPOILER****

What Peter and Susan learned while in Narnia was how to cope with the ravages of the war. So there is no need for them to return. Edmond is the one who grows the most in the series, and I hope the film shows that growth. And his scene halfway through with the mega-asshole EUUUSTACE better be kept word for word.-----later-----m

It was better
by PullMyFinger
May 20th, 2008
03:04:37 PM
than the first one, and I really liked the first one, so that's saying a lot. This is a really good, detailed review, and I agree with almost all points. Also, people should go see it because Reepicheep is awesome. 'Nuf said.
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