because moore makes films, bush is in charge. that's why it's ok.

he has an agenda, so what.

but your leader lying to you, that IS different.

remember, michael moore is just a man. he's not in charge, he's just exercising free speech. he doesn't have to be right, or telling the truth.

at least not intentionally

and yes, they both lie, of course they do, people lie

i just think a leader lying is worse than a documentary maker.

i take his films with a pinch of salt, but am glad they are there because they provoke debate amongst people.

if he makes people think about politics in any way, surely that is a good thing.

I have no problem with someone speaking out for/against a situation. Good for Moore or for anyone for that matter. The thing that bothers many people is that he has been proven that he has lied to try to get his point across. Sticking to the facts would have made his arugument more stronger. Lying to people about important items is not enteretainment. I find it sad.

Also, sometimes Bush can be just as enteretaining as Moore.:)

it's what the newspapers do

lol

and yes, i wish he would stick to the facts. he's in a position where he can do now, he has an audience and distribution. he shouldn't need to twist things to hook people. He's an entertaining guy and he should remember that.

What kind of illuminati Cobra Commander shit is that?

Geez, you just made milk come out my nose!

Oh, and from a conservative Canuck to the folks who've been debating SJBKAT? Well done. Intelligent debate is always stimulating...um, you know what I mean.

A political AICN that didn't degenerate into name-calling and scatalogical references.

Impressive.

Most impressive.

Just thought I'd clear that up. Carry on.

Seriously, what's with all the conservative folk asking for proof about Bush's lies? Convincing us to invade Iraq was nothing but lies. The vial? Yellow cake? Artists rendering of mobile labs? All lies. Doesn't matter if some of the intelligence came from the British, it was B.S. intelligence and the CIA knew it. But since people have short memories, let's take a stroll down W's greatest hits.

"By the year 2042, the entire social security system would be exhausted and bankrupt." Wrong. Even if we don't do anything to change the current system, 3/4 of the funds will still be available to Americans come 2042.

President Bush has said Thursday that Iran has declared that it wants to be a nuclear power with a weapon to destroy people, namely Israel. Wrong. National Intelligence Estimates concluded last year that Iran stopped it's weapons program in 2003. So that's twice Bushie has ignored the intelligence his own government has provided him.

And then there's the whole SCHIP debate in which Bush made it appear as if only yuppie children rolling around at night in bedsheets composed of $100 bills would be benefiting the most. That claim was debunked time and time again, but the damage had already been done.

If you want more of Bush's lies, look them up, they're everywhere.

And then of course there are the people in his administration. Every press secretary from McLellan to Perino gives briefings that are rife with lies or half-truths. And we all know that Rummy, Cheney, Rice, Wolfowitz, et al can't go five minutes without spinning a fantastic yarn. They combined for 935 false statements (compiled by the Center for Public Integrity) about the security risk posed by Iraq leading up to the war.

And if you're still going to delude yourself and claim eveything Bush says is distorted by the liberal media, then let's at least admit he's even more disingenuous than Gore or Michael Moore with his monkeyshines shenanigans. Recently he told a reporter, "I don't want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the commander in chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal." So that's his big sacrifice? Jesus Christ on a cracker, Mr. President, are you OK? I mean, after a 5 year hiatus, what's that going to do to your golf swing? How's about attending a funeral from time to time or greeting some of the caskets as they arrive back home? Or maybe not taking a vacation while one of our cities is sinking? Or maybe, just maybe, refusing to bill taxpayers for your medical expenses and making public the receipt where you paid out of your very own pocket?

This cocksucker is more disingenuous than Larry Craig at an anti-gay and lesbian rally.

And the liberal media? OK, you're right, the media is sooooo freaking liberal. Everyday I turn it on I see CNN, ABC and NBC hammering John McCain over his daily gaffes and I just can't watch them browbeat that sweet old man anymore.

And don't even bring up those jerkoff Democrats. Those spineless pricks didn't have the cojones to vote against the war back in 2003 because they saw the country was behind Bush and they didn't want to risk losing votes in the next election. Everyone that voted for it can rot in hell next to Bush and his clan.

Concerning Michael Moore, indeed he twists things around for his own agenda. More times than not he can be a douche. But at least he's trying to open people's eyes to the reality that Bush & Co. completely pulled the wool over our eyes by convincing us to invade Iraq, that our healthcare system is bleeding out and needs a complete overhaul and that corporations have a diseased mentality where they would rather kill people with their product and face a lawsuit they won't ever have to pay out rather than soak up the cost of a recall. His methods may sometimes suck, but if it gets a person fired up enough to go do their own research, then Moore did his job.

So far i have'nt seen any change as most of us have prolly deposited the $600.00 in our savings account.

Gee, how those Repubs are so smart.China owns our asses thanks the Bush regime.Way to go monkey!

Agreed. Toss them out of a plane with a backpack full of silver spoons. The spineless Dems just had to give into our idiot President one more time. Jebus forbid they vote against it knowing full well we're borrowing the money and adding it to our already eye-popping tab. Talk about a check you wish you could skip out on.

But voting against the stimulus checks would have angered all us consumers because we got's to get paid, regardless of where the money comes from.

I swear, you could tell an average American that in order from them to get their check a child in Africa has to die and they'd tell you to stop your flappin' and git to signin'.

I just don't know how anyone here on either side can defend us or our government anymore. We've strayed so far from decency it's appalling.

Such an ignorant embrace of propaganda is just gross.

They fucking knew.

Obama is a whining bitch and a cocky, elitist dick who knows that he CANNOT WIN in November. This inexperienced PRICK decided to run for President before he even served a day in Congress -- and began campaigning for the office of Commander-in-Chief after not having served three months in Congress!!!

Be warned: Ambition is a fickle bitch in the mouth of a power hungry elitist like Barack Hussein Obama!

Get ready: This BITTER little Liberal (Barack Obama) is ready to raise taxes on anyone who makes $30,000 or more per year. He has said this repeatedly, but he disguises it behind his Hitler-like "voice of the American people" hyped cheerleading rhetoric.

But the hyper-liberals of America really like how they smell, don't they?

C'mon, you know you want to, you little hate-filled liberal cocksuckers! You know that you love to gang up on a website like this and give your best efforts at displaying "clever" (*cough) little pieces of liberal hate rhetoric!

Five years in iraq and for what? It sure ain't the Oil since gas prices are souring and what's also disturbing is how Clinton supports will give McCain the vote should their candidate lose.Don't those dumb West Virginians realize that granpa Johnny is not experienced in dealing with economy issues, that and he's just another Bush in the making.BTW Hil is supporter of NAFTA.So maybe those southerners can ask her where the fuck did their jobs go.

It seems that you have been drinking the Kool Aid, boyo.

And conservatives who go on and on about liberals spewing hate and conveniently forget about people like Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Coulter, Limbaugh, Malkin, Boortz, Drudge, Medved, Schlessinger, Robertson, Nugent, Ingraham, Savage, Bohannon, Cunningham and Carlson are but just a few of the conservative talking heads who deliver hate-filled rhetoric toward the left and lower class day in and day out. And nobody slings homophobia (I'm looking at you Reps. Kern and Santorum) quite like a Republican politician.

There's no denying that there aren't crazies on the left, but to claim that the right is free from insults and hate speech is a crock because we all know damn well that the right nutjobs outnumber the left nutjobs by 2 to 1. Just go to an actual political website forum to find out.