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Marvel Taunts Us!! IRON MAN Sequel Two Years Away?? THE AVENGERS In Three?? And, More!!

my first first by kahootz	May 5th, 2008 09:08:36 AM
Avengers will rock if Favreau directs
I can't wait. by Belvis	May 5th, 2008 09:08:40 AM
I hope and pray this works out like they are planning.
TOO SOON! by chrth	May 5th, 2008 09:10:08 AM
No wait, I guess it's not.
Damn by Nerv31	May 5th, 2008 09:10:41 AM
I just mised it.... Thor, how are they gonna pull that off I wonder and make it cool in live action
And let me just say... by kahootz	May 5th, 2008 09:11:09 AM
Favreau deserves an oscar for his portrayal of "Stark Security Guard #3." I totally believed him in that role. Has he done security work before directing?
Iron Man rocked... by keyserSOZE	May 5th, 2008 09:11:59 AM
and after tracking down the post-title sequence on YouTube (which is as easy as typing "Sam Jackson Iron Man" into the search), i say giddy up. "I'm here to talk to you about the Avenger initiative."
he was Happy Hogan the driver by just pillow talk	May 5th, 2008 09:13:22 AM
Yeah, I wonder how they'll do Thor. Will they have Loki be central to the first Avengers storyline?
villans...? by doodah	May 5th, 2008 09:13:50 AM
bring in arsenal!!!, no dumb terrorist version of mandarin.
Captain America before Avengers is STUPID by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:14:26 AM
Do you think anyone around the world will pay to see a movie called 'Captain America'???? Everyone around the world hates America and the general public assume(obviously it's not true but this is the perception) that Captain America is a jingoistic right wing redneck superhero. The only way to do it is make The Avengers and make Captain America the focal point like the Ultimates comics. Then people will see what a cool character he is, that's he's not a blind patriot and then there is a better chance that people will pay to see a Captain America movie. This is just common sense. God. Some producers. They have no idea what they're doing. Make Avengers and keep something special, ie the discovery of Cap(after the awesome Ultimates intro with the paratroopers mission, the book is right there, it writes itself, imagine that intro filmed like Saving Private Ryan), then the team is set up and they fight whatever the plot is. And then make a solo Cap movie(set in world war 2 or crossing between that and modern times. written by Ed Brubaker). Seriously I don't understand how you could not think this is logical. If you disagree with me Kevin Feige then i'd like to hear it, but as far as this goes I am a better producer than you. (yeah you were involved in Iron Man but I think that was Favreau more than you). Smarter business move is definately Avengers then Cap. This has nothing to do with the character, even if they made a political movie with Ed Brubaker writing and Cap being the hero he is and not a jingoistic jerry bruckheimer cliche, people around the world are not going to see it because it's called "Captain America". The brits, the Australians, the french. They hate the 'yanks'. Unless you show what a cool character he is in Avengers.
Who will be the avengers? by SirFlibble	May 5th, 2008 09:14:53 AM
So we'll have Ironman, Hulk, Thor, Cap... but who else I doubt it'll be 4 main people... I'd be guessing a female like the Wasp or Tigra.
Dark Knight will suck? by Trazadone	May 5th, 2008 09:15:40 AM
What the hell are you talking about? The trailers look utterly fantastic. The Dark Knight will be fantastic.
Fanboys on newsarama think negative opinion of America isn't rea by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:16:02 AM
apparently the view of America from around the world is a figment of my imagination. 2 people literally gave me the "have you interviewed 7 billion people before" these are the same idiots who voted for Bush and still think the Tooth fairy will come to suck their cocks.
Wasn't so sure about this... by Wolfman Nards	May 5th, 2008 09:16:52 AM
Let's face it. Thor and Captain America aren't really the coolest superhero's anymore. And The Hulk is questionable too these days. But with the way this is all planned out it could generate enough buzz to get a lot of people on board to see it. I'm interested in seeing how this all plays out.
Thor... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 09:18:23 AM
really fucking hard to do in the "real world" universe of Iron Man that Marvel is trying to cultivate. any ideas how they will pull that off? Norse god? dentist with a stick?
Thougt I read somewhere by santi01	May 5th, 2008 09:18:53 AM
that the Hulk movie kind of starts the Super Soldier Syrum storyline. Thats what turns Emil Blondsky into Abomination in the upcoming movie. Anyone else read this?
or even better... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 09:19:37 AM
Betta Ray Bill!
Wolfman Nards by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:19:46 AM
Cap is cool. Haven't you read Ed Brubaker's run? Voted one of the best runs of all time and it's onl up to issue 37 or 8.
If that asn't the tooth fairy by santi01	May 5th, 2008 09:20:24 AM
sucking my cock last night, then I'm starting to wonder who it was?!?
10 Superhero Movies Better than Iron Man by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:21:20 AM
Batman Begins, Hellboy, Spiderman 2, Superman 2, X-Men 2, Blade, Superman 2, Spiderman, Superman: The Movie, Batman. Ya'll are drinking the Koolaid. Ironman was good, but didn't blow me away and wasn't nearly as fun as Transformers. The first act draged, and the two things that made the movie good (RDjrs Wisecracks and the Ironman vs Arabs) didn't have enough screentime. Jeff Bridges, Gywenth Paltrow and Terrance Howard were all great actors with flat performances. "Next Time, baby" God, how I rolled my eyes at that one.
Yeah... by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:21:59 AM

I listed Superman 2 twice. by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:22:21 AM
It was that good.
Ummmm ... Spolier???/ by Chaka!	May 5th, 2008 09:22:43 AM
Where's the Spoiler tag???????????????????????????
DAMN I NEED TO SEE IRON MAN by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:22:43 AM
But there was no way I was going to pile into the theater with tons of rude flatulent people to spoil my experience. I am sooo tired of rude B.O. smelly, bad breathed, poot droppin', loud mouth, leave your fuckin' kids at home, get off your cell phone, you're not the director, arm chair quaterbackin' fuck shits.
What about ANT-MAN!? by Ribbons	May 5th, 2008 09:23:01 AM
Did talks with Edgar Wright fall through or something? I was really looking forward to that one, not so much because of Ant-Man but, y'know, Edgar Wright.
Here's some more: by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:23:16 AM
The Crow, Batman Returns, and Blade 2
The Avengers VS...? by BenBraddock	May 5th, 2008 09:23:20 AM
So who they gonna take on?
re: messi by Latchkey_Kid	May 5th, 2008 09:23:33 AM
cap movie needs to be before avengers, and this is why captain america movie NEEDS to be WWII era film. have cap vs nazi's (and red skull of course) and have the movie end with him getting lost. then, epilogue (after credits), teasing to cap being found by the avengers and BAM! (THE AVENGERS - SUMMER 2011!). that gives the origin the most respect while also showing cap and america in a positive light saving europe from nazis. then, the avengers movie can be all about the avengers and doesn't need to be focused on any one characters origin wasting an hour of the movie's runtime.
XXVIII by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:23:44 AM
what? everyone loved that line, because it was an allusion to War Machine, or did you roll your eyes because you didn't know that and you're a fucking idiot? And Superman The movie better than iron man? Miss Tessmacher!!!! yeah man. ha. idiot. but yes not as fun as transformers but not better than Superman the movie is just idiotic. and holy shit I just read Superman 2. You seriously believe Superman 2 is better than iron man? What the fuck? That is an atrocious joke of a movie. You are Retarded.
as much as i love superhero movies, an Avengers movie will suck. by BMacSmith	May 5th, 2008 09:24:00 AM
you just know it.
Whatever, I doubt all of this is happening. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	May 5th, 2008 09:24:19 AM
Sounds like movie market politics, not greelights with assigned directors.
The Cap movie should be set completely in WWII... by Booster Gold Lives	May 5th, 2008 09:24:43 AM
...THEN bring him into modern times with the first Avengers flick. Don't mix the two, lest ye taunt the ghost of Matt Salinger.
Latchkey_Kid by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:25:08 AM
Except they can do that after Avengers and set it in world war 2 and cross with modern times like Brubaker's run. It has to be made after Avengers because then there is a better chance of a sequel because people may actually watch it.
my pipe dream: by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 09:25:54 AM
at the end of the Hulk, after mr Banner has kicked the Abomination's ass and is still rampaging around destroying things, Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America will show up unannounced to save the day. Introduce them in the same style and abruptness that they did with Fury. Get the intros over with, set up their powers and the power structure of the team, lead right into the Avengers movie. it could happen.
Four movies not better than Iron Man by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:26:02 AM
Fantastic Four, Fantastic Four: ROTSS, Daredevil, and X-men 3
messi by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 09:27:39 AM
Maybe they are going to set the Captain America movie in the span of that fable Saving Private Ryan style WWII flashback. witht the fianlly being his loss at sea, and Avengers picking up with the discovery of his body. The Aussies don't hate us at all, where the hell'd you get that? I was there like a year ago. The Brits are a little punchy about the politics here, but not the people. The french... well yeah, they hate us. But they hate everyone who isn't French so to hell with them, their disdain is by no means reserved for us alone. You are right about his presintation though, I don't think he needs to be Bruckheimer esque in his wholesomely goodness. Make him a soldier. Make him a product of his era, which will be more gung ho than most of us are now. Then it will be all the more glaring how different this all is to him in Avengers. The answer to Cap not making as much money overseas is simple. He has no super powers, per se, just film it as a great period action flick, with no supervillians aside from maybe Red Skull. That would keep the budget down, and Marvel won't have as much to lose.
Intro to Ultimates = Intro to Avengers by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:28:51 AM
imagine the movie opening with the hundreds of planes over the atlantic and then Cap in shadow and then everyone parachuting off into a saving private ryan style battlefield. And then Cap's first reveal when he lands on the ground. Filmed by Janusz Kaminski. That is how the Avengers should be done. And then Tony Stark and Shield find him.
Messi by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:29:02 AM
No, I get why the line was in there. The delivery of the line was lame, and not at all subtle. See Batman Begins as how to set up a franchise. And speaking of lame deliveries, SLJs "Avengers Initiative" line might be his worst acting preformance ever. And not liking Superman: The Movie is damn near un-american.
XXVIII... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 09:29:55 AM
Blade better than Iron Man = bad joke. Batman Returns better than Iron Man = hilarious joke.
Yeah, let's not drag Superman 2 into this . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	May 5th, 2008 09:29:59 AM
over Iron Man. That movie was marred with director/producer problems. If Donner would have stuck on and made the film proper, then you could count it. In my eyes, while it was fun, it wasn't a complete picture. I call it Superman 1 1/2. Otherwise, carry on.
THE ONLY DIRECTOR: THE BEARD (Re: Cap America) by Nosferatu Jones	May 5th, 2008 09:30:09 AM
Spielberg. CAPTAIN AMERICA. World War II. The end.
it's not that nerosday by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:31:26 AM
it's that patriotism, in america they hate that cheesy patriotism and dub certain films "typical american movie" or "too american" this happens to films by jerry bruckheimer with cheese and shit like when Spidey jumps in front of the american flag. It's not anti american sentiment(though there is alot) in the UK and Aus, it's that cheese patriotism. And obviously Cap isn't like that, but they don't know that, they will just assume from the title Captain America that it is one of those cheesy 'american' movies where americans 'think they're the best'. Of course if they see Cap in Avengers first then they might like him and go see a Cap solo movie.
SkidMarkedUndies by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:32:19 AM
Check out the Donner cut. You'll be completely underwhelmed.
This is a mistake... by Zandunga	May 5th, 2008 09:32:30 AM
This doesn't bode well, partly because, in their eagerness to cash in on Iron Man's current success, Marvel wants to spit out a sequel too soon. This not only fatigues the audiences and overexposes the character, but more importantly rushes the creative & production process - a major, major mistake (X3, anyone?). Successful, well-crafted films take some time, and Marvel should allow an extra year for the writing to be honed and everything be planned to the highest standard, instead of rushing to make a quick buck. Second, I'm not sure I like the whole SHIELD/Avengers plotline because it may remove the focus from Tony Stark and become about Stark working with a bunch of other superheroes...ugh, lame (ala JLA). It also removes much of the focus on reality this first film used to great effect and makes Iron Man enter fantasy-land, flying around with four other superheroes, saving the world for SHIELD cringe.
And the AVENGERS should obviously fight ULTRON. by Nosferatu Jones	May 5th, 2008 09:34:06 AM
That would totally rock.
POOTIN' IN THE THEATER by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:35:35 AM
Listen, I know we have to realeave our body of built up gases so that we don't blow our large intestines out and become septic. But do you have to bring your stinky ass to the cinema and drop doo doo bisquits where I am watching my movie and eating my popcorn? You know that us humans tend to breath in and out when we eat and the last thing I want is a big waft of burnt ass to coat my buttered popcorn. Damn it to hell.
XXVIII by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:35:48 AM
have you seen Superman 2 recently? I hadn't seen it in years and i saw it again about 2 years ago when i became a DC nerd and what a disgrace, I couldn't believe how bad it was. And maybe you should rethink that un american comment since i'm not american, hell i'm anti-american. And even then everything after Clark arrives to metropolis is a joke, the first half is a beautiful film, but once he gets to metropolis, i skip to the helicopter rescue scene and once he says bye to Lois I turn it off. The film becomes a joke after that.
The best part about Iron Man by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:36:01 AM
The Dark Knight Preview.
sorry i mean in Australia and Uk they hate the cheesy patriotism by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:36:50 AM
and the things they dub 'typical america'. etc
Cap in two movies by kenny38606	May 5th, 2008 09:37:32 AM
How is the actor playing Cap going to feature prominently in two movies that come out within two months of each other?Also, wouldn't it be cool if Captain America came out on 4th of July weekend, or is that being too patriotic?And who cares is some of the world hates America.They seem to be more concerned with international dollars than they are with American dollars.The movie should be straight up pro-America.Forget what the rest of the world thinks.They'll either see it or they won't.Hollywood needs to stop worrying about pissing off the rest of the world, and be more concerned with not alienating Americans.
The key to success with Cap by superfleish76	May 5th, 2008 09:37:41 AM
is casting the right actor in the role. Well, a good story is the first step, but casting will be big. You need someone who conveys strength without being overly gung-ho. Can't go for a weak acting pretty boy, and a big name would definitely help. Is there any way we can get a cloned young Robert Redford made for this thing?
I'd love to see a period superhero movie by BenBraddock	May 5th, 2008 09:38:49 AM
If they ever (yeah, I'm deep into personal pipedream territory now) reboot the FF franchise I'd love to see it set in the 60s, shot with the glossy, Technicolor look of, say, "Down With Love".. crappy movie but if you've seen it you'll get what I mean. It'd be so cool to see all those Kirby-esque hi-tech Reed Richards made gizmos in action in a pre-hi-tech era..
messi my dear by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:40:02 AM
You're too hung up on my Superman 2 Typo...I called myself on it before anyone else could. But you have to admit, Ironman was far from a perfect movie, and I'm not sure if there's 3 or even 2 movies. They're rushing it, and "War Machine" might be a good plotline, but look how bad they messed up Harry in Spiderman 3. It's nearly the same concept. Who's the villian in movie 3? Mandarin. A hero is only as good as his villian. I've read for a week that this was the best SH movie since Spiderman, 4 star reviews everwhere. I just dont see it. Spiderman 2 and Batman Begins were clearly better, and no one is arguing that....
messi by Ribbons	May 5th, 2008 09:40:13 AM
Well, they can call it "The First Avenger" in foreign markets if they want, but hopefully it's just regular Captain America in the U.S. *** As for the logistics of an Avengers movie, it could happen, but if Marvel's smart they'd get some of the filmmakers who are working on their other projects to spitball ideas, like NOW, (Favreau, Norton, Zak Penn, Matthew Vaughn) about who the Avengers would fight, why they would band together, etc. That way, assuming the other movies have done their job of selling the other characters, some new screenwriter or director won't make a completely bugfuck story about Kang the Conquerer or something and undermine the other films' appeal. All I know is that Nick Fury should already know about Hulk and Captain America, since talking about a team ("the Avenger Initiative") makes no sense if the manpower isn't there.
The "First Avenger?" by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 09:40:18 AM
That's a dumb title. If you're gonna do a Captain America film, why not call it "Captain America?" Why insult him by referencing only his status as leader of the Avengers? I mean, he's his OWN guy first. Don't reference the Avengers in the title of Cap's debut movie.
messi by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 09:41:21 AM
If seeing a character in front of a flag is enough to make them bitch in the first place they sure as hell wouldn't see a movie about Cap, no matter how cool he is. It just their perception. Hell his costume is the Flag, if they don't go for it. They don't go for it. Nothing wrong with a movie made for the US by the US if those people don't want to see it anyway is there? I just don't buy that anyone that biased to be utterly offended by a little cheese patriatism on our part will give Cap a chance anyway.
Reality? by santi01	May 5th, 2008 09:41:27 AM
Why are people so worried about setting this in reality? The guy builds a suit that flys faster than an F-14. How realistic is that, its a comic book. btw Iron Man is the 2nd best comic movie of all time, only second to BB!
Captian America movie set in WWII by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:41:50 AM
Is just what the genre needs. I'd go see that, and maybe that as a setup to Avengers is doable.
nerosday by SirFlibble	May 5th, 2008 09:42:00 AM
I wouldn't say us Aussies like Americans. We like the people but not the country and what it represents and Captain America, prima facie, represents the country not the people.
Intro to Ultimates = Intro to Captain America by Latchkey_Kid	May 5th, 2008 09:42:31 AM
it just makes more sense. cap period piece in ww2. anyone who thinks otherwise is just plain silly.
DON'T BRING YOUR BRAT TO THE THEATER by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:43:24 AM
I know you parents out there beleive that you are smarter than most people that don't have kids. This is because you think that you have the inside scoop on how humans come into maturity therefore giving you access to the development of mankind. But if you're this goddamned smart then you would realize that mankind does not like, nor do they appreciate your dirty little kid running his spoiled little mouth continuously around adults who are watching an adult movie. Get it? ADULT movie not Hannah Montanah! Keep the smelly little brats at home or have them play in on coming traffic, but DO NOT bring them to the theater.
Batman Begins was very good by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 09:43:40 AM
But Iron Man was also very good...and more fun. When I get Iron Man on DVD, it'll warrant repeat viewings from myself and the kids. BB I've watched a couple times and don't imagine watching again for a while. I still hold Shellhead up there with the second Spidey installment. About dead even. Neither is a perfect movie, but both were good, and very FUN
awesome...avengers:cap, is a great place to start by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG	May 5th, 2008 09:43:47 AM
this is obviously a great place to start...hopefully they take more from the "ultimate" cap
XXVIII by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:43:52 AM
Sony, avi arad and laura schuler donner messed up Harry and spidey 3. But this is Marvel, they take their shit seriously, and Favreau is more in tune with Iron Man than Raimi was with Spidey. It won't be the same mistake. Already there are 2 sequels able, stark's alcoholism and rhodey taking up iron man in part 2, and war machine and the armor wars in part 3. And yeah i'd put batman begins first then spidey 2 then Iron Man.
Zandunga by Blanket-Man	May 5th, 2008 09:44:26 AM
Marvel did the same thing after the mega-success of Spidey 1 (announced SPIDEY 2 immediately, to be released just two years later), and a lot of people think SPIDEY 2 came out OK! The key is keeping the creative team intact, which was NOT done with X3 but looks to be the case for IM2. Oh, and technically, Cap was the 6th Avenger...
Latchkey_Kid by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:46:08 AM
but that intro leads to avengers. what you wrote doesn't make sense. The ultimates intro is for avengers. how can they make that for captain america if he gets encased in ice straiht away, a cap mvoie would obviously deal with the origin. the ultimates intro is an intro for avengers, it was written and drawn like a blockbuster movie. and it works.
by the book by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 09:47:22 AM
I saw IM twice. Once on Thursday, at which point I deemed it okay for my nine-year old daughter. So I brought her to IM yesterday at a matinee. I couldn't believe how many parents brought their toddlers. We're talking ages 4-7 at a PG13 movie where guys are getting shot, tortured (waterdunk for Tony), and RPG'd to death. I just thought that was a bit dunderheaded. I covered my daughter's eyes during the brief part where MINOR SPOILER Tony rolls on the bed (and off) with that sassy reporter. I wonder how many parents bothered to check the rating before dragging their Oshkoshbigoshers to the show.
Messi by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:47:25 AM
Marvel may take their shit seriously, but they've gotten into the game way too late. All their top tier superheroes already have movies. Thor and Cap'n are big stretches. They're about to saturate the market with 3rd tier Superheroes, and audiences will grow tired of them quick.
DO NOT BRING YOUR IRON MAN COMICS COLLECTION by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:47:50 AM
Do not bring your Iron Man comic book collection to the theater and sit beside me while you look for, then bust out issues to try and find the page that looks like one the scenes that just passed. And do not refer back to your Marvel Universe character charts to see if they go the precise weight and size of Iron Man right either. I accept nerds but goddamn it guys. Ease off.
The world must be ending - I agree with Messi by Movietool	May 5th, 2008 09:48:05 AM
The Avengers movie would be a natural to introduce Captain America. He'd be the natural catalyst to bring The Avengers Initiative together- a leader. I'd stay as far away from the Ultimates Cap as possible (more "realistic" maybe, but the guy's a freakin' A-Hole). WWII flashbacks are a must - hell, personally I'd structure the movie like Godfather II, with as much of the film set in flashback as in modern day - and yeah, the paratrooper drop sequence from Ultimates would be pretty slick.
I'm Hungarian, and even I got a boner for WWII Captain America m by David Cloverfield	May 5th, 2008 09:48:42 AM
It's not like Americans would win popularity contests around here (and It's not like our opinion matters) but if they make a Captain America movie with a fictionalized WWII, with super soldiers, occasional robots and shit. I want Hitler on a giant robot spider battling Cap.
SirFlibble by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 09:50:07 AM
This is a democracy the country is the people. Maybe that is the problem. We see ours as our country. The flag represents it as it does us. No we do not all see ourselves as our government. I think thats where we ge offended when people lambast us about the flag and things like that. We love our symbols if not always our institutions.
We see ours as ourselves country. sorry typo. by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 09:50:56 AM

Abominable Snowcone by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:51:29 AM
If the kid is well behaved most people do not care. But you know what? Most kids these days are not well behaved. I have been to a movie theater where the parents let the two kids run up and down the isles and open and close the theater doors letting light in and sitting through the doors slamming. I tell the manager and he said to me that he'd see what he could do but dealing with kids was a touchy subject. WHAT? Tell them to leave or control the kid. But I eally beleive those type of people are daring someone to say something.
sorry bout the bad grammar and typos... by the book	May 5th, 2008 09:52:47 AM
typing faster than i thought.
Uh, Ultimate Captain America is a bit of a dick... by blindambition238	May 5th, 2008 09:53:19 AM
... well he is, at least from Ultimates 2 onwards. Just stick with the original Steve Rogers. They should borrow Ultimate Cap's uniform though.
We see ourselves as the country. jeez. can't type today by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 09:53:32 AM

Nerosday by SirFlibble	May 5th, 2008 09:54:19 AM
but the fact is your government is your people and your institutions do represent your will. Their foreign policy is your foreign policy. You can defend it as much as you want, but as someone who is outside your borders, I know what many people feel and that is they do not like the US as a country, while we do still like the people, a movie about Captain America, baring an act of godlike writing abilities will appear, act and seem like a movie that is fully patriotic to America.
Make it Ultimates style but the Cap from Marvel U by messi	May 5th, 2008 09:54:32 AM
not the asshole from ultimates but the brubaker one. BUT THE INTRO TO ULTIMATES IS A MUST!.
Marvel/ATHF Crossover by Aquatarkusman	May 5th, 2008 09:54:46 AM
The Moon Knight vs. The Mooninites! Dr. Strange vs. Dr. Weird! Carl's long lost brother from across the pond is actually the Crimson Dynamo!
America vs Hitler by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 09:55:19 AM
Not many people side with Hitler. Best angle for a movie with "America" in the title.
Civil War: The Movie by Nico Toscani	May 5th, 2008 09:58:12 AM
Come on Marvel. You know it would rock!
Many parents pay no attention to ratings by BizarroJerry	May 5th, 2008 09:58:36 AM
I realize that maybe in some people's minds, "it's a superhero movie, so my kid can see it." But it's just not true. Especially these days. I mean, it says "PG-13". It's probably not for your 4 year old. I know YOU want to see it, but check the rating. It does mean something, ya know...
Captain America represents a different America by INWOsuxRED	May 5th, 2008 10:00:46 AM
He is often used to contrast the best parts of American history with the things we get wrong in modern eras, so he might work as much or more with anti-America people as he would with the Rah-Rah people. He often represents someone who is trying to get America back on course. He certainly has never been someone to ignore America's faults.
XXVIII... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 10:02:14 AM
i'll argue Iron Man is better than Spidey 2. Spiderman can toss cars and lift brick walls, but when he punches Doc Oc his fist doesn't go through his face? hows that? Iron Man had none of the internal inconsistencies that EVERY other comic movie has had, including the precious Batman Begins.
Who can they use legally though? by David Cloverfield	May 5th, 2008 10:04:43 AM
We have the great four, Hulk, IM, Cap and Thor. I'm sure they will want to use other cash cows. Can they use Spidey and Wolverine? Blade maybe? What villains? Is Doctor Doom available or he belongs to Fox? Can they even mention mutants?
So since they are setting a date by Series7	May 5th, 2008 10:05:42 AM
for Thor, does that mean that they finally made a deal with Nathan Jones? Because anyone else would just be a waste of digital celluloid. Unless they really get Fabio.
INWOsuxRED... by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 10:05:51 AM
if the movie played on that heavily, that would be amazing. an idealistic patriot awoken in a dissolving and unideal America. i like that, and i think it would do well.
avengers by redkamel	May 5th, 2008 10:09:54 AM
please dear god have the Captain America movie take place during WWII and end with him being cryogenically frozen and then woken up at the end by Nick Fury...Cap vs the Axis!! gatsby, I loved Iron man, but it did have internal inconsistencies...there were about 4 times when Tony went from 300 mph to zero with no ill iffects...(crash landing #1, the raptors and the flaps....). I wouldnt say it had no inconsistencies.
INWOsuxRED IT"S THE TITLE!!! by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:10:32 AM
Fuck. Even if they made the best political movie written by Brubaker where it shows Cap fights for the ideal and it comments on america today, people won't see it because of the title. Are you dumb or something? You think people decide what to watch once they've watched it? That's why it's smarter to put him in Avengers first.
SirFlibble by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 10:11:52 AM
Anyone who's seen my past posts knows I'm no crazy uber conservative. But I am a vet of this war and they know where I stand on it. We dole out more money and resources to help other nations than any other country, the American people give individually to charities in the amount nearly equal to that the UN raises every year for the same labors. We don't like being told what to do and we never have. That is why we are not more involved with the UN than we are. We will give till our hearts bleed for anybody that needs it, but we will cover our own ass and interests in the process. We are an odd people there is no doubt. We have a pride that comes from being a young county. Do we swagger alittle? Yes. Do we bitch about what the rest of the world does, supprisingly little. Are we culturally isolated? yes. We are giving and yet greedy. Protective and also expected to protect. But would we be the first to come Australia or any of our friends call for help? You know we would. Without a moments hesitation. And all we ask for, if not acceptance, than a little understanding when we make mistakes. We are fixing it. We made the mess now at least let us try to clean it up so that the rest of the world doesn't have to. But we are the biggest kid on the block and therefore the easiest target as well. We just take it all in stride, and really dot fret about what people think of us.
Gatsbys West Egg Omlet by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:12:17 AM
So that's why the movie isn't as good as Iron man? because when spidey punches his face it doesn't go through his face, is that how you see movies? Fucking hell. Shut the fuck and watch the news. Talk about not being fun and a bore who watches movies.
Ultimates made Thor cool again by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	May 5th, 2008 10:13:38 AM
He's only second to like Silver Surfer in the Marvelverse, no? They should make a movie of Silver Surfer and Thor destroying things for 2 hours. That's all I did with a friend in that Marvel Ultimates RPG.
OK by Series7	May 5th, 2008 10:14:21 AM
After Iron Man, people were WAAAAYYY too excited about the hint of an Avengers movie. Like people where high fiving each other and shit, it was just embarrassing. I mean is an Avengers movie that cool of an idea? I really don't care for the super group of super heroes idea, I don't mind the teaming up of two of them, but as a group its kind of lame.
INWOsuxRED has the character by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 10:14:55 AM

Iron Man had a pretty damn big inconsistency by Smoke Monster Loves Kate	May 5th, 2008 10:17:53 AM
How the fuck is Tony Stark not dead when the suit crashes into the ground at a high rate of speed? How does he not black out during those high-g maneuvers? They never even attempted to explain that. I was actually looking forward to a possible sci-fi explanation cuz the arc reactor thing was a good way to explain the rest of the suit's abilities.
messi by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 10:18:10 AM
i didn't dislike Spiderman 2, i just appreciated Iron Man's ability to stick to is own rules. i put spidey 2 waaaay up on my list of favorites. take some valium, dude. chill out.
in the meantime DC still scratches their behinds by pipergates	May 5th, 2008 10:18:29 AM
all those great heroes and they still cant find a way to film them? if it hadn't been for Nolan they would still only have Nipplebatman to show. maybe they like not making money or something.
Could be interesting. by Subculture	May 5th, 2008 10:19:12 AM
I actually really like the Captain America character in the Ultimates. He was the perfect symbol for Americans during early 20th century, then he's unfrozen and so much has changed that he finds it difficult to adjust. He wants to be, and to some still is, this symbol of all that's good, but his views are incredibly old fashioned and conservative. The America he fights for is no longer the America he remembers, for better or worse. It'd make an interesting change in the Avengers film when viewed against the character in the WW2 setting. Personally, as a Brit, I find that a more interesting character than the white meat babyface type character.
Mark Wahlberg for Cap by zooch	May 5th, 2008 10:20:14 AM
This is sounding way better that Teen JLA movie. With Samuel L. Jackson, Norton, Downey Jr. part of the cast already. All Justice League has is the dude from the O.C. and Common.
Series7 by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:20:56 AM
have you read Ultimates?
Thor = Vincent D'Onofrio by blckmgk13	May 5th, 2008 10:21:41 AM
Adventures in Babysitting BITCHES!
messi by Series7	May 5th, 2008 10:25:10 AM
Naw can't say I have. I am way behind the curve when it comes to the Marvel world. Maybe if was born around the time Marvel started I would be into, but it seems like way to much to just pick up. Isn't there some web site that has like a giant web showing how all the characters are interconnected?
DC should pay attention by skycrapper	May 5th, 2008 10:25:35 AM
That's the way to do a Multi-Superhero film not this CW Justice League. If Faveru is on board for Iron Man 2 and Avengers then he'll be one busy dude.
Nerosday, that was spot on... by blindambition238	May 5th, 2008 10:29:45 AM
Thats exactly what a Captain America movie should be: a love letter to the greatest generation and the pioneers of the past, a wake up call to the apathetic generation that forgot what kind of values and actions it took to be great, and a promise to other places that we'll still try to be better than we are and continue stand up for all those noble things that used to be synonymous with the name of America.
Series7 by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:31:01 AM
Ultimates came out in 2002. I am posting the first issue. Ultimates is a modern cinematic reimagining of the Avengers. Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch created it as a movie version of The Avengers.
Series 7 by blindambition238	May 5th, 2008 10:31:13 AM
Wikipedia is your friend if you want to brush up on your comic-fu.
Ed Brubaker MUST write Captain America by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:31:41 AM
one of the greatest runs ever.
Fuck all this by chrth	May 5th, 2008 10:31:48 AM
NEXTWAVE FILM. NOW!
messi by Series7	May 5th, 2008 10:32:54 AM
So the planed Avengers is going to be from the Ultimates. Because I thought the Avengers was an old thing? Right now I am reading Civil War.
Series7 by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:34:31 AM
Ultimates is an alternate universe with a more realistic take on marvel characters and more cinematic take, ie they don't wear flashy costumes. Everything is more adult. If the Marvel U is PG then the Ultimate U is PG-13, the Ultimates themselves are the Avengers.
matthew mcconaughey for capt by cekma	May 5th, 2008 10:35:15 AM
mat mc for cap downey iron man jackson fury norton hulk kevin mckidd thor AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!
They are coming out with a new Punisher film too by zooch	May 5th, 2008 10:37:00 AM
perhaps he could be involved
Subculture & INWOsuxRED put it better than I did by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 10:39:19 AM

It makes me laugh.... by Darth WickedChicken	May 5th, 2008 10:39:36 AM
When people say this move was good that means this other movie will suck. Because as we all know…it is imposable for two movies about super heros to both be good. Dumbasses.
The Nick Fury thing was great, theatre went crazy by godzillasushi	May 5th, 2008 10:40:09 AM
For the people that stayed, we all loved it. People cheered it. Such a cool scene for a great movie to have. Even if these people never read the comics or know who Nick Fury is, it's pretty hard not to like Samual Jackson in a cameo like that.
Capt. America before Avengers by kafka07	May 5th, 2008 10:44:42 AM
seems ideal, since Cap is basically the first Avenger in the comics, and he has a history that starts long before any of the modern heroes. (Cap's starts in WW2). So it makes sense to have his movie out before the first Avengers film.
Captain America in WW2 by Phimseto	May 5th, 2008 10:47:52 AM
Let me add my "ditto" to that collection. You could make a real bang-up WW2 flick with Captain America that would be a lot of fun. You even have the perfect "after credits" sequence: his being awoken years later by Nick Fury et al.
XXVIII by BozeMaster69	May 5th, 2008 10:48:15 AM
Batman Begins (OK movie although the ending sucked major Sphincter), Hellboy (No complaint here...this is a good adaptation), Spiderman 2 (good although a bit over-rated), Superman 2 (childhood favorite...does not hold up too well now), X-Men 2 (good, also a bit over-rated), Blade (hated it when I first saw it, it has grown on me a little like a fungus), Superman 2, Spiderman (good origin movie although I HATE HATE HATE Power Ranger goblin), Superman: The Movie (number three on my list of best comic book adaptations), Batman (this film has not aged well at all!) The Crow (one of my personal favorites), Batman Returns (Danny DeVito and Chris Walken hammed it up waaay too much), and Blade 2 (OK, althought the CGI was atrocious in spots). My two cents- Best comic book movie adaptation ever is Sin City (not my personal favorite but the movie gets its props for being panel by panel almost word for word the celluloid equivalent of the comic)
Edward Norton had better get cracking on the scripts. by galoot	May 5th, 2008 10:50:27 AM
Because if he appears in any of the films he'll likely demand to write and/or edit the film. As opposed to just acting.
Gatsbys West Egg Omlet by doodah	May 5th, 2008 10:51:23 AM
once inconsistent notion. all the sudden obi can use the iron monger suit with no problems? i mean tony had to go through some a hardcore learning curve, meanwhile obi is running the company, selling weapons, visiting afghanistan and still learns how to use the iron monger suit with no problem. i loved everything in the movie, but that puzzled me. maybe someone will have a good explanation...
doodah by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 10:57:19 AM
I raised that issue in my original review last week. I think it was the TB for Capone's review. I wondered how Tony, who built the armor, takes time to learn to use the armor. Obidiah, meanwhile, climbs right in as soon as SHIELD comes to arrest him, and he's off and running (literally) without a problem. It didn't blow the fun for me, but it was a hiccup in credibility. In order to power the Iron Monger, Obidiah had to wait to SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER steal Tony's heart. So it makes sense he couldn't "practice" in the Monger suit. But that doesn't explain how he's able to SPOILER pop Tony's ARC heart inside, jump into the suit, and tool around town in it without a problem.
HERE IS THE AVENGERS INTRO!!!! by messi	May 5th, 2008 10:57:51 AM
The poster - http://tinyurl.com/5wonp3 The Intro (Ultimates #1) http://tinyurl.com/6kon52 http://tinyurl.com/6mvlbl http://tinyurl.com/65ez9s http://tinyurl.com/5ezozy http://tinyurl.com/4t2oba http://tinyurl.com/3oglvh http://tinyurl.com/4ot4lu http://tinyurl.com/548kwb http://tinyurl.com/4r32sg http://tinyurl.com/4tu3yd http://tinyurl.com/3fkyw9 http://tinyurl.com/3egjcg http://tinyurl.com/43kyc8 http://tinyurl.com/4q52qh http://tinyurl.com/4jvrla http://tinyurl.com/47u9dh http://tinyurl.com/3j8ds9 http://tinyurl.com/3ek7oc http://tinyurl.com/4aq3pc http://tinyurl.com/4vzqej http://tinyurl.com/3jfnjy http://tinyurl.com/3fvbb9 http://tinyurl.com/3f25f8
nerosday by SirFlibble	May 5th, 2008 10:57:58 AM
you're missing the point of what I'm saying. In regards to a Captain America movie, it will be looked at as propergandaism. As people outside the US do not like your government's policies, this movie will suffer from it at the box office. Which was the original point. What you think America is actually irrelevant in this entire discussion because that is not what the opinion of many people OS think.
doodah by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 10:59:39 AM
The monger was more of a walking tank than a suit. It was also built for mass production and sale, the utherefore se of it would need to be more simplified, and less customized. He may have had enough technical knowledge himself to understand the construct of the suit and its working, if not the ability to build it himself the way Tony did. Of course thats just my take on explaining, "How the Hell'd he do that." It was kind of distracting either way.
doodah and Snowcone by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 11:01:05 AM
obviously he didn't know how to use it as well as Tony, cuz Tony beat him.
SirFlibble by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:01:48 AM
Thank fucking god, someone actually gets what I was talking about. It doesn't matter if the Cap movie is good and talks about modern america etc just like Brubaker's run, people overseas won't see it based on the title. But if they see Cap in an Avengers movie first and see how cool he is and what he's like, thers a better chance of a solo cap movie actually making some money overseas.
cekma by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:02:06 AM
McConnaughy is very fit, at least he was as of "Sahara" a couple years ago. But Cap isn't just fit, he's insanely ripped. At least after the supersoldier serum he is. INSANELY! I can't think of anyone offhand who could pull off both the 1) acting chutzpah that Downey brought to IM, plus 2) insane muscularararar ripitude that Cap demands. Oh, and Jon Favreau if you're out there reading, I once again offer my stand-in services for Mr. Downey for any IM followups. You can kick my ass, do whatever. I'll stand in and take the hits for Downey. But at this point, I'll have to dye my hairs at the temple (gettin' grey). I suspect Downey had to do that also. So there.
OK, Have some things to say here... by cornponious	May 5th, 2008 11:05:46 AM
And you guys for the most part probably aren't going to like them. First off, I saw Iron Man yesterday at Regal in Lexington, and it surpassed all of my expectations. Completely surpassed them. It was the finest superhero film I have ever seen. Then we come to Thor. Worst idea for a comic ever. Thor is not a superhero. Thor is a god. And there is no way this character can be brought to the big screen while maintaining any type of coolness or sense of awe. There just isn't. We'll have Iron Man, Hulk, and Captain America, and then we'll have this blond guy with a hammer and wings on his helmet speaking like a norseman, or worse yet, in the King's English, talking about Odin every 10 minutes. This cannot be good. I'm scared of a Thor movie, and even more scared of Thor in an Avengers movie. And moving along those lines, let's just come to terms with something. I know that in the first Avengers comic, we had Wasp and Ant-Man. We can't have these characters today either. When Stan Lee and Kirby made this comic, it was a time when anything like this would draw a person's attention and expand his imagination. So the idea of these little superheroes was fine. Today's youth, though, wouldn't be even slightly interested in seeing characters like this in a movie. That's just a fact. And I don't want to hear about any adults who would want to see it for nostalgic reasons. Let's just forget about it and find characters that are more dynamic, and more interesting.
Abominable Snowcone by doodah	May 5th, 2008 11:05:48 AM
sorry to piggy back on your thought, i didnt see your review. but i am glad i wasnt the only one who thought that was weird. i mean, i really cant complain, i think it was pretty much the perfect superhero movie right next to spiderman 2.
Best comic book adaptations by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2008 11:05:50 AM
Superman: The Movie and The Rocketeer. Hands down.
Bozemaster69 by XXVIII	May 5th, 2008 11:05:53 AM
I would also consider Sin City (and 300) as some of the best Comic Book adaptations, but I tried to list plain old Superhero Movies. The Crow and Blade were stretches. What was wrong with the Batman Begins Ending?
Okay - so that's summer after next taken care of... by RobinP	May 5th, 2008 11:06:06 AM
...and the one after that. What do we have NEXT summer ? (I've...er....forgotten)
Gatsbys West Egg Omlet by doodah	May 5th, 2008 11:07:52 AM
he didnt beat him because he didnt know how to use the suit. tony beat him because he was smarter. tony in the iron monger suit would be obi in the mark III.
It's all in the casting by Beezbo	May 5th, 2008 11:08:29 AM
Robert Downey Jr. really made "Iron Man" as good as it was. The casting of Captain America and Thor are even more crucial because those characters are inherently sillier than Iron Man. Let's hope the producers think outside the box when casting these characters and go with actors on the level of Downey and not just some models. I would rather the Hulk not be involved with the Avengers at all (I always thought that his involvement was ridiculous in the comics). The new Hulk movie looks better than the Ang Lee debacle, but the CGI still makes me cringe.
nerosday (and doodah) by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:09:08 AM
I agree. The monger suit was more akin to "robot jox" than just a guy in an armored suit. Which for me begs the question even more about how Obi was not only able to SPOILER jump right in and "pilot" the thing around, but also fight a mark 3-attired Stark AND get the upper hand. Can anyone answer this for me, the one thing I still have a question about: Was Stark's damaged human heart ever replaced entirely by the ARC devices? SPOILER when Pepper lends a "hand" and puts the new ARC in Tony, the socket in his chest suggests that there's a sizeable space in his chest where the (human) heart would be, and where the first ARC heart went, not just an electromagnetic disk on the surface of his skin. What was up with that? Clearly, Stark and that doctor Yentsin dude could not have performed a heart transplant in the cave, but when Tony / Pepper remove that first ARC heart in his workshop basement, that socket is a good 4 or 5 inches deep and at least 3-4 inches diameter.
oops by doodah	May 5th, 2008 11:09:27 AM
that is, tony in the monger suit would "beat" obi in the mark III
RobinP by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:09:45 AM
Nothing. After this summer, we can kill ourselves. Or hang out to see IM2
Fibble, by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 11:10:29 AM
My opinion is he is our hero. One talor made for us. I would even sugest as I said above in the post that people who have a problem with the country will not give the charater a chane anyway. So why bother worrying about it. Read my posts from earlier while talking to Messi. You don't like the country or the culture fine, we don't care. Don't see the damn movie. But let us at least work the character out as he represents us, I see it very much as INWOsuxRED put it and blindambition238's statement "Thats exactly what a Captain America movie should be: a love letter to the greatest generation and the pioneers of the past, a wake up call to the apathetic generation that forgot what kind of values and actions it took to be great, and a promise to other places that we'll still try to be better than we are and continue stand up for all those noble things that used to be synonymous with the name of America. " is spot on in terms of the character I see. People will see the name though and not give it a chance one way or the other, so why not make it the way we see it; for us and let the rest of the world choose to see it or not. Their loss if they write it off as something not talored to their view.
Doodah by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:12:12 AM
Yep, and I'm sure other geeks caught it, too. I mean shit, it took me a good couple weeks to drive stick shift with any amount of competence. It would take at least as long to master the motor skills in an armored suit, PLUS operate the weapons systems.
Beezbo by doodah	May 5th, 2008 11:12:21 AM
CAP IS NOT A RIDICULOUS IDEA WITH STERIODS NOW ADAYS. IRON MAN IS MY FAVORITE ALL TIME CHARACTER, BUT THAT SEEMS A BIT MORE ABSURD THAN A SUPER SERUM INJECTED INTO A SOLDIER.
Can an Iron Man expert clear up another thing by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:15:44 AM
for me? SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER In the comics, Tony is not publicly Iron Man until "Civil Wars," right? BIG SPOILER BIG SPOILER SERIOUSLY So in the movie, was Favreau speeding things up a bit by having Stark "out" himself at the end like that? Or did I miss something?
Captain America is not 3rd Tier by T 1000 xp professional	May 5th, 2008 11:16:24 AM
A movie for him has been long overdue, He is probably the biggest badass of them all as well as the most conflicted...A Brubaker style movie just made me go into convulsions
Pondscum by cornponious	May 5th, 2008 11:16:45 AM
"Shia to play Cap'n Merica with Bernie Mac as a wise cracking Tuskegee airman / sidekick." That made me laugh so hard I started coughing.
snowcone by doodah	May 5th, 2008 11:20:34 AM
i didnt like that either, but figuring a part 2 was already planned i didnt think too much of it. but as far as i knew, it wasnt until civil war that he was out as you mentioned. i'm no expert, but i am sure a wikipedia expert will be able to answer it shortly.
Re: Abominable by Celicynd	May 5th, 2008 11:20:43 AM
Originally, Iron Man was a bodyguard/corporate mascot for Stark Industries. Then Tony revealed that he was Iron Man. Then he became secretary of defense. He made some deal to not be in the suit anymore. Convinces the public that its someone else in the suit, then the Civil War stuff happened.
Zandunga by ejcarter9	May 5th, 2008 11:21:10 AM
X-Men 3 was fantastic! But your point about not rushing sequels just to keep the gravy train going is legit, and I would hope the studios have finally learned their lesson. Silly of me, I know.
That was the short version... by Celicynd	May 5th, 2008 11:21:29 AM
without the explanations for everything, just the actual events. ;p
Captain America by vadakinX	May 5th, 2008 11:22:19 AM
It should be a WWII movie about him tracking down the Nazi war criminal, the Red Skull. The final showdown would take place above the skies of the Arctic as Cap tries to stop Red Skull from launching a Doomsday weapon against the US. Cap the sacrifices himself to save the day, falls into the icy cold of the Arctic, frozen. Then you have his funeral, with Bucky speaking about how brave and noble Cap was...fade to black. 70 years later.... The final 10 minutes of the movie show Cap's body being taken from the Arctic. We then watch as his body is warmed and an electric charge is run through his body to restart his heart. cap opens his eyes and looks up to see none other than...Bruce Banner. Cap grabs a hold of Banner, thinking he's in a Nazi lab or something, demanding to know what's going on. We then hear a voice off screen... "I'd be careful not to upset him Captain. Dr. Banner has quite a temper." We then see Nick Fury come into view, and he explains what happened to Cap and what happened in the war. We then discover that we are inside S.H.I.E.L.D. Headquarters, and Fury tells Cap that a new threat has risen to threaten the peace and security of the world. They walk out on to a balcony and look down to see Iron Man, Ant Man and Thor looking up at them. Fury asks for Captain America's help and Cap agrees. Fury then gives Cap his shield and says: "Welcome to the Avengers" End Credits. That's how I think it should happen, with it leading into the Avengers movie.
I have wood by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 11:22:50 AM
Firstly I have to say that I have wood over this. Despite what you people think Captain America wont flop since it has 'The First Avenger' in the title. I think they should just introduce Cap in the first Avengers movie but whatever I'll roll with it. And America isnt the most hated country in the world. Take all the countries who hate America, now add America. Thats how many people hate the British, and rightly so. But this is irrelevent. Cap will sell, Avengers will rock., Ant Man wont, I have Wood and all is well.
Snowcone by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 11:24:01 AM
i'm not a giant Iron Man geek, but as far as i know you are correct: Tony didn't out himself until Civil War. But i liked it. the whole secret identity thing is overdone, and way too Bruce Wayne.
Abominable Snowcone by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:26:17 AM
The ARK runs the elctromagnet that keeps the shrapnel out of his heart, his heart is still there but it has shrapnel.
RE: I Have Wood by santi01	May 5th, 2008 11:26:35 AM
I had wood over this news about 5 minutes ago, all good now!
Celicynd by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet	May 5th, 2008 11:26:59 AM
nice recap.
Arc Reactor, High Gee Stunts by Jack Parsons	May 5th, 2008 11:27:41 AM
The original cold fusion experiment in the 1980's involved a palladium matrix to contain the hydrogen. The "arc reactor" is a cold fusion power generator, tho Favreau and the writers are too clever to identify it by that name. Well done. Iron Man's armor is powered by hydrogen fusion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fus ion Now as for the high-gee flying maneuvers, the old squeezing-longjohns trick is how its done in the real world, so I assume Stark has similar in his suit. Now. Hitting the ground at 200 miles an hour? Getting kicked by an exploding missle? Being punched into a bus? Not a chance. He dead.
cornponious by ejcarter9	May 5th, 2008 11:27:48 AM
No kidding... Ant-Man and Wasp are completely unnecessary in an Avengers film, and I can't disagree with your assessment of Thor, but perhaps handled right it'll work.
I concur Ultron should be the villian. by Ultron ver 2.0	May 5th, 2008 11:28:05 AM
You could make him a la Terminator endoskeleton (shiny chrome), face like General Grievious, and try to get Gary Oldman (with some FX processing on the vocals) to do his psycho voice. An onscreen Vision would be badass too...Ralph Fiennes as Vision.***********Thor would not work as a movie...too clumsy, but I'd love to see Beta Ray Bill onscreen.
nerosday by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:28:08 AM
you're not very smart are you. I love Cap, brubaker's run is amazing. I'm worried that because of a solo Cap movie before an avengers movie it won't be given a chance solely based on the title and people not being exposed to him, thus there won't be sequels because Marvel won't find it viable. but if people already know cap through avengers(talking overseas people) then there is a better chance of the film suceeding and thus one day we might just get a winter soldier movie.
SirFlibble by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 11:29:04 AM
put simply even a cool and neutral intro in an Avengers movie would not make people over seas any more likely to see the solo movie later. Because there view of us is their view and they simply won't see it. In that vain why should Cap be reverted to a US neutral standing. He is a thawed out WWII comando. He would still see us as great, as honorable, and to see that we are not up to snuff with those expectations and hopes of what we could have been. That will be heartbreaking, and there in is the drama. Cap is our nations conscience right or left, correct or wrong, he is that little voice that doesn't always agree with the actions we take. But he will see us through as best he can and represent America as it should be not always as it is. To make him any differently for higher international box office is unfair to the character.
Ultron should be sequel villain by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:29:30 AM
first villain should be Kang the Conquerer or the Chitauri, but then they'ed have to introduce black widow, hawkeye etc. well if Mark Millar could do it in 13 issues, i'm sure they could do it in a 2 hour plus movie.
Messi, You don't think people oversees.. by T 1000 xp professional	May 5th, 2008 11:29:40 AM
.already know about Captain America?...The guy has been around for over 60 years, Make his own movie first. Your approach would be cool as well, but the guy has so much great material outside and previous to the Avengers that it would do the character as well as the rest of the Avengers injustice to include his origin/introduction in an ensemble movie...Marketing wise your idea would most probably be better, but since when do us fans of the genre put that as our priority ;) ... ohhh by that time everybody will have seen the previous movies and what they're leading up to, if not, the marketing teams will remind them and do a good job of tying everything together and telling the audiences why they CAN'T MISS seeing Captain America... All i know is, we're the winners here. Everything is shaping up great and Marvel has got balls in comparison to DC's Justice League.
Messi by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:31:40 AM
That's what I thought, too, but when SPOILER Peppers helps him out in the shop, it's revealed that the ARC heart appears to be a larger device and takes up more space in the chest (in that socket) than would, say, an electromagnetic disk on the surface of the skin. Guess it makes sense because SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER when Pepper--then Obi--yanks the heart out, Stark would have just frickin' died, period, no crawling to the basement to get a new / old heart. No heart=dead.
YES!!! BRING IT!!! by LaserPants	May 5th, 2008 11:32:41 AM
Hahaha! Its a good time to be a geek!
Marvel has a plan. Does Warner Bros. have a plan? by teethgnasher	May 5th, 2008 11:34:01 AM
Warners Bros. sucks.
RDJr owned as Stark and Iron Man by indyjonez100	May 5th, 2008 11:34:58 AM
Nough said, bring more IRON MAN! Great movie
Jack Parsons by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:36:23 AM
Funny you should mention it, because SPOILER, the bus Iron Monger tosses Shellhead into was a hydrogen-powered bus. Said so right on the side. I was expecting a bigger 'splosion from it. I agree that Ant Man Henry Pym might be a "useless" villain for an Avenger movie, but think about it. Tiny or giant-sized, imagine the fun to be had. Other thoughts: SPOILER IMPLIED Hello, I am a man with shrapnel embedded in my heart. I need a revolutionary device to keep the shrapnel out. And cholesterol be damned, I love Burger King cheeseburgers!! That was mint.
messi I have never insulted you or you intelligence. by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 11:37:33 AM
So please feel free to kiss my ass. In that reguard my opinon for the hundreth goddamn time is Avengers first Cap first it won't matter. the negative view by oversea markets will persist based on name only of the character. The sum fewer or more people would be inclined to see it on priciple if he were in the Avengers first. He will be dismissed as propaganda either way. I loved the brubaker run too. But how about keeping personal commits limited to those who shot at you first.
indyjonez by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 11:39:55 AM
Agreed. Just the "opening salvo" of dialogue in the humvee was great, with Downey saying shit like SPOILERS "I feel like you're gonna drag me out and snuff me. C'mon, you can laugh. It's okay. Forest. You're kidding me with the hand up, right? Omigod, you're a GIRL. Didn't see that coming." I imagine he ad-libbed a lot of the funnier, smarmy stuff, and that Favreau (wisely) kept a good amount of it.
vadakinX by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:40:41 AM
Uhh no. They already have source material which is better than what you posted. First they should kill Bucky so they can make Winter Soldier in 20 years time(ha), but this is how Cap's awakening should be. to be honest it should end in world war 2 and avengers should start with the final mission from the intro to ultimates. http://tinyurl.com/6bn6ek http://tinyurl.com/6465vs http://tinyurl.com/68k2cx http://tinyurl.com/5mry5k
Question about Norton: by Ribbons	May 5th, 2008 11:44:00 AM
Is he contractually obligated to do an Avengers film? Because I have a feeling after this whole public dispute with Marvel, he's not exactly chomping at the bit to work with them again...
Cap Movie by montimer	May 5th, 2008 11:44:04 AM
As much as I'd love to see Cap kicking the shit out of a robot Hitler I think the only way this film will work is if it is set half and half, modern day and WWII (with the Ultimates begining) In fact, the first Ultimates Book has an amazing way of dealing with Cap (Man out of time, clash of old values and new, patriotic american, confused by modern policy etc.) and it wouldn't be too hard to adapt it without first releasing the Ultimates, sorry, I mean Avengers film. The important question is who to star as Cap? I'd love to see Patrick Wilson in the role, although thinking about Cap, he may be a little too old though. Can't think of anyone else as good as him though.
My worst experience with kids in theaters by rhcp2sweet	May 5th, 2008 11:44:05 AM
About two years ago I went and saw Flags of Our Fathers at an 11:00 pm show. Expecting not many people in the theater, I was flabbergasted when I saw a young married couple with their sleeping child in tow who couldn't have been older than four. For the first 45 minutes of the movie the kid slept, but once the battle of Iwo Jima broke out, the kid started crying his eyes out. This wouldn't have bothered me so much if the parents took their kid out of the goddamn theater but instead they just sat there. What kind of fucking parents not only take their kid to an r rated war epic, but don't take him out of the theater when he starts crying? Fucking people.
Is their anything mutant-like on the horizon beyond Wolverine? by teethgnasher	May 5th, 2008 11:44:38 AM
Is Wolvering the last of the X-Men movies?
Thor script by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 11:47:51 AM
Any news on a Thor script. Harry mentioned that he liked it in his Iron Man review. Any one else have any information on this? I’m interested and shit-scared at the same time over this proposed Thor movie. And let’s make Captain America, Captain Canada to modernise it since patriotic American movies don’t sell well overseas. Just look at Pearl Harbour and Independence Day. Oh wait....
And... by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 11:52:47 AM
How cool would it be for there to just be little references to other Marvel charcters in the Avengers film like the headline 'Mutant blamed for big explosion thing happening' on the Daily Bugle Stark's reading in once scene.
I just pood myself by Mysterious Yobo	May 5th, 2008 11:55:06 AM

LOTR = THOR by ghunz	May 5th, 2008 11:57:33 AM
Thor can be done really epic and good if it's set on Ashgar , think about it, GREEK GODS, POWERS, HEAVEN HELL AND EARTH THEME, put LOTR, Legend, 300 and ad super powers., they just need a director with an imagination a nice budget and loves comics,(THOR). Also it doesn't take two years to start getting a second movie ready for production. you just need writers that can write, care bout what they write the first time using the source material , that should only take 6 months at the most, thought I still can't see why 3 to 4 writers need more then 3 or 4 months to complete a script, COME ON PEOPLE IT'S 30 DAYS IN A MONTH!!!! it don't take writers that long to write a full season of law and order........
We don't hate America by vadakinX	May 5th, 2008 11:57:34 AM
people around the world don't hate America. We just don't like the policies of your government. Captain America, if done well would be a world wide hit. Set it in WWII, and have Cap start out as a propaganda tool for the allies. Have Roosevelt and Churchill want Captain America to be the poster boy for the Allied war effort, whereas cap himself, and the military want to actually use his abilities to fight in the war, not charm the press. Play into the conflict between the politics of war and the reality of war. Then have the military go against the wishes of the politicians and send Cap after the Red Skull. Show Cap as soldier, as a man wanting to do what's right, a man wanting to fight the enemy and have him try to distance himself from being just a propaganda tool, wanting to prove himself as more than just a symbol for the press to cling on to. If done like that, I dont see any reason why Captain America wouldn't do well around the world. He's not a politician, he's a soldier trying to do the right thing.
so which avengers can we expect? by drewlicious	May 5th, 2008 11:57:52 AM
Are we going to see the Pym's and all of their marital troubles?
nobletoast13 by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:58:13 AM
Pearl Harbour didn't have America in the title and independance day was about an alien invasion. fucking moron.
Pondscum by messi	May 5th, 2008 11:58:50 AM
that's what i've been saying. failure = no sequel. do the smart business move and introduce cap in Avengers.
vadakinX by messi	May 5th, 2008 12:00:51 PM
it's because of the name you ass. people will think it's a right wing film about how cool america is etc. That's not what Cap is but people will assume. It won't do well in the UK or Australia, that's for sure. "Show Cap as soldier, as a man wanting to do what's right, a man wanting to fight the enemy and have him try to distance himself from being just a propaganda tool, wanting to prove himself as more than just a symbol for the press to cling on to." - people don't know this, they will only know this if they go see the movie which they won't based on the title. is it so hard to fucking understand?
ghunz by messi	May 5th, 2008 12:02:04 PM
They already wrote a script which was highly acclaimed(including on this site) and Matthew Vaughn is attatched to direct.
Since everyone is talking about kids in a movie theater... by cornponious	May 5th, 2008 12:04:18 PM
I've got a good one for you. First, I'm a parent. When I take one of my daughters to see a movie, I find out about it, and make sure it's appropriate for them. They don't go to movies that are inappropriate. Also, if there is a movie I really really want to see, and it's not a kid's movie and I don't have anyone to watch my kids for me, I just don't go see it. I'm not so selfish that I'm going to drag my kids to a movie that might scar them just because I want to see it. That being said, I saw Starship Troopers when it was out in theaters. I knew ahead of time that this was an ultra-violent flick. I'm sitting there, and in walks a family of 4, a husband and wife and 2 kids. These kids were young. The boy appeared to be around 8, and the girl was around 6. I'm thinking, "you jackasses, be parents and do a little homework before you drag your kids to a movie that is going to scar them for life." So, then the movie was over, I wanted to watch them as they left (and yes, they stayed for the whole movie). The father had this look on his face like he had just been kicked in the nuts. The mother had a look on her face like she was going to kill her husband when they got home. And the kids were wide-eyed and looked like they were scared shitless. Nice.
oversaturating the genre by Rufferto	May 5th, 2008 12:06:36 PM
The Marvel way! If there were just four maybe it could work,I guess Iron Man Thor and Cap. but they don't all need movies. I never really liked the Avengers. Marvel should go back to producing decent cartoons instead.
Why is it you don't get by nerosday	May 5th, 2008 12:14:43 PM
people with open opinions like vadakinX will see cap overseas, people like SirFlibble will not. Reason vandakinX is willing to look objectively at the character. While others will say "PROPAGANDA!!!," no matter how he is brought to life, and dismiss it. The film will have an uphill battle overseas reguardless. Put it a a mid budget and hire a damn good director and I good star, a true big name celebrity would only muddy the waters. Hire someone like Downey who is a great actor, but not a household name. The movie will make bank if handled right. All I'm saying is don't expect an international hit and don't rearange the character to get one. budget accordingly. Not every Super Hero movie needs a 200 million dollar budget, nor I think would Cap need one to get that gritty Saving Prvate Ryan look. There I'm done on the matter. I'm going to lunch.
messi by ghunz	May 5th, 2008 12:17:32 PM
I need to see this Thor Script for approval....By Odin Beard where is it? lol....
XXVIII by BozeMaster69	May 5th, 2008 12:18:56 PM
Forgot about 300. That one was a good adaptation as well. As for Batman Begins, I just had a hard time swallowing Jim Gordon flopping around in the BatMobile like a bumbling idiot. I didn't like the "I 'm not gonna kill you, but I don't have to save you" line he gave to Ra's Al Ghul. Batman would have have had his ass locked up for his crimes. Batman has even tried to save the Joker even tho JokeMan killed his parents in the first film.
okay, to anyone still confused by kungfuhustler84	May 5th, 2008 12:22:04 PM
The Mark Millar/Bryan Hitch Ultimates run is one of the best comic book series in recent history. If you're really interested in a good yarn with all the fixins, go buy the whole damn thing right now. It's practically a graphic novel of how the new Avengers movie can work and function in a way that will please the modern audience, while still tending to the needs of the comic book fan. And I agree with the Captain America in WWII idea. It really seems like the only way to do it for me. The only time he should ever be in modern times is in an Avengers movie. I think hiring a big name actor will detract from the believabilityy of the character, but that's not the thing I care the most about. What I would love is if they found someone who can exhibit the qualities of a 30s man, while still maintaining an appearance of athletic prowess and skill on the battlefield. It is something they really nailed in the Ultimates comic and I can only hope they get it right. I don't know how the fuck they are gonna do Thor, but good luck. Maybe set in modern times with lots of Beowulf-esque flashbacks (sans CG characters of course). I wants me some Frost Giant smashin!!
Messi by vadakinX	May 5th, 2008 12:22:30 PM
I completely disagree...maybe it won't be a huge hit in the Middle East, but I don't think the name is going to stop people from seeing the film elsewhere. It's all about how Marvel market the film. If they have posters and trailers with Cap in front of an American flag, being labeled as an American hero, fighting for American values, then yeah, maybe people will be reluctant to see it, but if they market it as a story about a soldier fighting to win a war for the common values of all humanity, then I don't see the problem. People are a little more sophisticated than you give them credit for. The idea that everyone will stay away just because the guy has "America" in his name is ridiculous. People aren't stupid. I think they can tell the difference between right wing American propaganda and a comic book character. All three Spider-Man movies have shots of Spidey in front of a stars and stripes, being shown as a hero for America, yet they made lots of money. Transformers is a US Military love fest, yet it made a lot of money...the trailers for Iron Man show Tony Stark saying "that's how Dad did it, that's how America does it" when talking about the approach to warfare....yet it's making a lot of money. If people don't go see this movie, it won't be because of "America" it will be because it's a bad film. I think you need to give worldwide audiences a bit more credit.
Messi by Wolfman Nards	May 5th, 2008 12:24:06 PM
I'm not saying Cap isn't cool... just going off the general public. They're both going to be a hard sell, Thor especially to the average American viewer. I'm not well versed in either characters story but it sounds like I need to start doing my research.
Messi by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 12:28:23 PM
If the trailer and posters show enough glitz and explosions etc I don’t think the title would put people in Britain off seeing the movie. American patriotism is something we are all used to in our summer blockbuster and it doesn’t putt us off at all. We don’t like it of course but it doesn’t stop the movie making money. I used two films with high levels of patriotism as examples of how it’s the norm for Hollywood movies. That said I still wouldn’t be surprised if they changed the title overseas like Die Hard 4.
oh by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 12:29:57 PM
And over here when Captain America was shot dead in the comics it made most newspapers. Cap'n has a huge following here.
Did I just spell put with two t's? by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 12:31:25 PM

vadakinX by Rufferto	May 5th, 2008 12:33:10 PM
people are oversensitive mush heads. The same audience that Gi Joe had its balls removed for. I love you for not being one of them, but even for Iron Man we've got people whining that it's propaganda and racist right on this site just because it has afghanis in it. Whiners who are probably white themselves. Haha. They can't accept a bad guy that isn't white even though Obadiah (evil white business man) was obviously the main focus. We've been brain washed by political correctness.
As long as they do Avengers the Ultimates way. by Knuckleduster	May 5th, 2008 12:33:13 PM
There is hope. They did cast Jackson as Fury, after all. If they're smart, they will get Mark Miller involved. If they're dumb, they will base it on Ultimates 3.
Batman Returns was a great movie... by fanboy71	May 5th, 2008 12:40:34 PM
FOR ME TO POOP ON! I can't believe someone mentioned "Batman Begins" and "good superhero movie" in the same post. What a pathetic turd all of Burton's Batman flicks were. And I was in the seat the first night for all of them. I agree with the poster who said they should set Captain America in WW2, with a prologue of him being found by the Avengers (or at least Fury and Stark). Then go right into the Avengers with Cap having to assimilate to modern America. Could be an AMAZING flick if done right.
santi01, re: Avengers/Iron Man/CAP References in HULK by RenoNevada2000	May 5th, 2008 12:42:06 PM
Check this report out- http://tinyurl.com/56ofo6
Cap is supposed to be a symbol of by Rufferto	May 5th, 2008 12:42:50 PM
the good things about America or what it strives to be. And the character always tried to live up to it or work towards it. He went against the Government plenty of times before as I suppose is any American's right to do so. So it's an idealist character in a time like WW2 I do think it could work so long as the writing is thought out and not lazy. Thor is much weirder to translate! I don't think he should be treated like a superhero at all. It should all be mythology with him.
Captain America.... by fanboy71	May 5th, 2008 12:43:03 PM
Fuck Yeah! Comin again to save the motherfuckin day yeah.
Avengers vs. Ultimates by dahveed1972	May 5th, 2008 12:49:30 PM
The Comic book geek in me squeals with delight at the prospect of an Avengers movie. The Film Geek in me thinks the Ultimates would make a MUCH more compelling film. Here's hoping they incorporate some Ultimates stuff into the Avengers movie.
whoops by dahveed1972	May 5th, 2008 12:52:36 PM
Okay I really need to start reading the entire talkback before I post. Ahem...dahveed1972 is RIGHT about Knuckleduster bein' right! Rabut!!
This will be like when they announced Superman 4 by joeelliott	May 5th, 2008 12:54:28 PM
at the end of Superman 3.
vadakinX by finky089	May 5th, 2008 12:59:36 PM
I dug your "ending" to the Cap movie.
Thor could kill The Avengers. by fiester	May 5th, 2008 01:01:36 PM
The guy above is spot on: Thor is inherently silly and will only look sillier when translated to the big screen as a live-action flick. I dunno how they pull it off
Invaders movie by Beezbo	May 5th, 2008 01:06:35 PM
Now that would be cool. My favorite comic of all time (I know it will never happen - I still can't believe the Avengers will!)
THOR casting by longshot7	May 5th, 2008 01:08:08 PM
Triple H - is it any more obvious?
one more thing i forgot about... by doodah	May 5th, 2008 01:11:15 PM
50-cal shots and other bullets didnt penetrate the mark I, but the suit exploded upon impact with the sand...hmmm. maybe i missed something there.
Triple H as Thor? by BozeMaster69	May 5th, 2008 01:11:32 PM
How about getting a REAL actor?
spoiled by FirstManReturns1	May 5th, 2008 01:13:46 PM
c'mon merrick, how about a spoiler warning? haven't seen it yet...
Just make Marvel Ultimate Alliance the movie? by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 01:14:13 PM
That game was awesome, even if it did lack the Punisher.
Just make Marvel Ultimate Alliance the movie by nobletoast13	May 5th, 2008 01:14:23 PM
That game was awesome, even if it did lack the Punisher.
Kids at the movies!!! by Darth Macchio	May 5th, 2008 01:16:08 PM
Starship troopers eh? Try sitting through a couple hours of The Two Towers with the family circus and their little screaming bundles of joy. This one time these 2 tweens were behind me and talking up the whole time so I farted really fucking loud on 3 different occasions. The last time was a screecher/whistler (impressed myself even). They were unavoidable. You can also use my patented "Knuckle-slap" to quiet unruly kids. Simply make a "slap" hand and then bend those knuckles in and voila...KNUCKLE-SLAP! Anyway, this little rat faced fucker kept on and on and it became obvious after the first direct fart attack failed. I quickly spun around in my chair with a knuckle-slap and knocked the noisy little tyke unconscious. It was wonderful. I would have poured my extra-caffeine Mr. PIBB on his fucking sleeping melon head but valor got the best of me and I placed half sucked lime juju-bees from the floor over his eyes.
anybody think by doodah	May 5th, 2008 01:16:18 PM
harry as speed racer is really creepy...especially with that chubby ham of an arm waiving back and forth.
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