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Great... a PG-13 TERMINATOR movie. That's what we need...

First by Autobot Optimus Prime	May 4th, 2008 11:15:43 PM

Booooo by aversiontherapy2	May 4th, 2008 11:18:15 PM
dumb decision.
Wow. Made it! by Autobot Optimus Prime	May 4th, 2008 11:19:06 PM
I think this is a crock. When a series is slightly on it's way down and out, WHY would you blow a chance at making a new movie everything that you could by bowing down to a more family rating?!? Stupid, STUPID decision.
FUCK THAT SHIT by Mullah Omar	May 4th, 2008 11:19:11 PM
Bale remains the one and only positive aspect of this film. No R rating is just another nail in a coffin that's already half-buried.
I'm with you Quint!! by BetaRayBill07	May 4th, 2008 11:19:15 PM
Please don't do this. It seemed so promising with Bale....now......UGH!!
McG... by d a v 3 y	May 4th, 2008 11:19:32 PM
...sucks donkey balls!
joke surely by WallyWonka75	May 4th, 2008 11:20:15 PM
You have got to be kidding me.....
BOOOOOOOO by O_Goncho	May 4th, 2008 11:20:58 PM
, etc.
All hope I had for this movie.... by Nutta	May 4th, 2008 11:23:15 PM
Just went flying out the fucking window.
Much ado about nothing, Quint... by Fa Fa Fooey	May 4th, 2008 11:24:14 PM
Once Terminator became a theme park ride, the thrill was gone. And once it became a mundane TV show, I officially tuned out. They may as well cash in anyway they can. Remember: The future is what we make of it - lol.
I can't believe you're surprised about this... by The Mighty Molecule	May 4th, 2008 11:24:42 PM
Seriously, i know it's sad but it's fact we're going to have to learn to accept- the days of R rated action movies are long dead. The 80's (and i guess, early 90's)are long gone. The real sad part is what we get left with... Ratner, Bay and 2 hour toy commercials. That's right, i'm bitter.
It's the Terminator + 1, they got Bale +1 by soup74	May 4th, 2008 11:24:44 PM
everything else we're hearing about it -3. I'm still hoping my math proves wrong and this could be a cool movie.
DH4 was only good because he WAS McClane by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	May 4th, 2008 11:26:07 PM
So the jumping on off a harrier was ridiculous, oh well.
FUCKING RETARDED! by The Ender Smites Foes	May 4th, 2008 11:26:45 PM
And Die Hard 4 SUCKED ASS FOR THAT EXACT REASON! DO NOT PUSSIFY THE TERMINATOR FRANCHISE! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE!?
Run Bale Run by arrangedletters	May 4th, 2008 11:27:01 PM
Seriously...get out of this as fast as you can. This is going to be the film that people will hate you for making.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by Jubba	May 4th, 2008 11:27:13 PM
i agree with the booo'ers
I blame McG by leobloom	May 4th, 2008 11:28:31 PM
I also blame him for gas prices, the fucker.
"No one can explain to me how it benefited the movie being PG-13 by Ribbons	May 4th, 2008 11:28:37 PM
Well, I don't think what benefits the movie from an artistic standpoint really went into this decision. Still, although I always love to see the producers shoot for a hard R, I suspect the movie wouldn't look that much different either way.
Hancock baddie is Theron by arrangedletters	May 4th, 2008 11:30:10 PM
Just watched the trailer and they gave it away...thanks asshats.
Oh No by Double M	May 4th, 2008 11:31:02 PM
Sounds like T3...only shittier. CB needs to act his ass off to save this train wreck.
Hastalavista Baby by Magregus	May 4th, 2008 11:31:42 PM
Movie has just gone to hell, RIP.
why am i not surprised by _SnakePlissken_	May 4th, 2008 11:33:54 PM
and you thought T3 was bad... wait till this pile of feces shows up Summer next year.. Studio Executives not to worry.. if Transformers can kill at the box office Im sure all the pre-pubescent 13 year olds will lap this shit up
McG???? by Quake II	May 4th, 2008 11:35:32 PM
You don't hate THAT decision more than a PG-13 rating? McG makes Tony Scott look like Stanley Kubrick! Talk about one of the worst directors in history! He's yet to make anything more than a 90 minute music video. Oh well, who really cares anyhow?
This is what you get when you get a pg-13 director who makes pop by FuryofthefilmFan	May 4th, 2008 11:36:00 PM
Would Scorsese put up with being told to make a pg-13 film for a gangster epic? It all starts with McG.
Fox screwed this movie when they created the TV series by RedwingsHoolihan	May 4th, 2008 11:36:56 PM
Now they're making a movie with no connection to the series or the original films. And to top it off it'll be testicle free.
No Ahnold? by Stunt_Lime	May 4th, 2008 11:37:08 PM
As cheesy as his acting is, I can't see a terminator without Arnold, who confirmed that he won't be returning for the fourth installment. As good as his acting is, I can't see Brolin as a terminator, who is evidently going to take on the role; and what happened to Claire Dane, I've heard she won't be making an appearance either... isn't she Connor's wife in the future? I'm pretty disappointed with the direction this is headed.
Super lame by krushjudgement	May 4th, 2008 11:39:09 PM
What else can you say? Who agrees with this being PG-13?
Quint...your right... by vettebro	May 4th, 2008 11:39:28 PM
I disagree with you 85%. The last Die Hard movie was great. It was even better with the unrated DVD version. However, I do agree that a PG-13 Terminator movie is WRONG, and just plain stupid to think about. The future wars need to be extreamly violent and should depict that. It's the extermination of the human race for Christ's sake! We need to see the flesh getting shot and burned of the 101's as they fight. Come on Hollywood, don't blow this one.
Right, 'cause this project had so much promise. . . by jimmay	May 4th, 2008 11:40:20 PM
Who gives a damn what it's rated? This series ended with 2. Period. 3 was a cash-in, the television show is a cash-in, this one will be a cash-in. This could have all ended with 3 if so many of you sad little bastards hadn't insisted that despite how unutterably lame it was, despite how pointless and silly it was, that it was somehow worth spending your hard-earned money on, and "wasn't that bad". You encouraged them; now deal with it.
Unreal by Darth Thoth	May 4th, 2008 11:41:18 PM
This is not a good look... at all.
I'm not one to boycott by Cpt. Arnoldo	May 4th, 2008 11:43:42 PM
but fuck this.
FUCK Halcyon and Warner Bros if they make T4 Pg-13 by Rindain	May 4th, 2008 11:43:50 PM
Yeah, seriously, FUCK THEM. Way to squander the Terminator brand on some dulled-down kiddie shit.
!!Sarcasm!! by buffywrestling	May 4th, 2008 11:45:36 PM
The meter just broke. Someone page Vern and get him to write an open letter and summon that McSpaced bastard.
I expected when I opened the page it would say by Charlie Murphy	May 4th, 2008 11:46:19 PM
NOT!
If it's rated PG-13 by RedwingsHoolihan	May 4th, 2008 11:47:02 PM
I'll buy a bootleg copy. Or watch it on the internet. They're not getting my money.
If Sylvester Stallone directed TERMINATOR 4! by ABking	May 4th, 2008 11:47:27 PM
It would be one mothER fuckin blood bath of a future war movie. Can we still replace McG!!!
They should go for a G rating, they can sell more toys that way by Mace Tofu	May 4th, 2008 11:49:28 PM
Plus think of the cartoon spin-offs. T-4 pampers sales = Big $$$'s for the studio. They could film the whole future war on the old X3 set used for that training sequence and use spotlights to play the hunter seekers as a way to save money.
I'll boycott it just like I did DH4. by JimboTHC	May 4th, 2008 11:50:13 PM
I just wont go see these PG-13 knock offs. They view R rated as unprofitable the only way to fix it is make PG-13 unprofitable.
Fuck it, I'm out. by scrivener	May 4th, 2008 11:50:14 PM
The first time I saw a Terminator movie was when my grandparents took me to see Terminator 2. I was 9 at the time. Yes, 9. N-i-n-e. I've been dying for a future Terminator movie since that very day. Terminator 3 was complete shit, as is that pathetic excuse for a television show, The Sarah Conner Chronicles. This I held out hope for, though. The stars were aligned (get it?) and everything was sounding awesome... until right now. Fuck this. I'm sick of having shit-aweful Terminator shoved down my throat... especially after the two most recent travesties I mentioned a moment ago. I'm out. This is off my watch list, I officially no longer fucking care. I am done with Terminator. This is just too much. I can't and won't tolerate being treated like the pathetically self-conscious little kid of the overprotective nazi hyperchristian parents. It's fucking insufferable.
Shit. by KillDozer	May 4th, 2008 11:53:16 PM
I had a some hope for this film after Bale's name was attached, but it's officially off my radar now.
Although Terminator3 was Rated R... by grievenom	May 4th, 2008 11:53:49 PM
It was a really soft R. I think it could have been a PG13. What was so R about it?
I don't remember what made the other movies R by INWOsuxRED	May 4th, 2008 11:54:11 PM
I care if a film is good or bad according to me, not what the rating is according to a secret society of douce bags. Without knowing the final story of this film, I don't know that it matters if this is R or PG-13. I rarely know the ratings of most films I see, and after I see them, I usually couldn't tell you what they would be rated either.
What the execs will never realize.... by exie	May 4th, 2008 11:54:21 PM
...is that authenticity and good storytelling will make a movie a bigger hit. Not a watered down rating . Making this movie live up to it's 1st 2 predecessors in tone and quality is what will give them the atm machine they want. Cutting the balls off a violent property (hello, it's called The Terminator) is the kind of back handed corporate suck ass slap that doesn't play anymore. Film goers are staying away until the film to rally around shows up in theaters. Iron Man is one. Dark Knight will be the other. What's the difference between those movies and most bombs? They go for the jugular and they are not restricted by marketing reports. Learn your fucking lesson Hollywood and let the talent tell the story they want to tell regardless of the rating and watch the money roll in and the asses show up back in the theater. As long as you keep taking properties like Alien, Die Hard, etc. and making them kiddie friendly you will never reap the true monster hit you all are searching from. Yeah, they make money and you get to keep your jobs, but by being bold, you can make blockbusters.
Terminator ended 17 years ago by Xaximus	May 4th, 2008 11:54:29 PM
as far as I'm concerned. Terminator 2 was intended to be the final story, and it should've stayed that way. Terminator 3 was terrible, and the TV series sucks almost as much as Jericho. They should've left it alone.
scrivener by igotbigballs	May 4th, 2008 11:56:23 PM
If that is really ho you feel, why waste your time posting that mess on here?
Why are they making this movie, anyway? by RetroActive	May 4th, 2008 11:57:17 PM
I might be in the minority, but some what ifs are better left in our heads. But remember. Deserve's got nothin' to do with it. That;s why this pile of crap is on the table. This movie will be a ver expensive, decidely mediocre, slushy of a mess.
Wait Quint, do you think T2 would be R now? by half vader	May 4th, 2008 11:58:34 PM
It's not as 'hard' as even T1. I watched both the other night, and I think T2 would get a PG13 these days. That's just my subjective P.O.V., obviously. And you saw it at the movies when you were 10? Slightly takes the wind out of your argument. You can't say it must be hard R and simultaneously say it was fine for a 10 year old. BTW if anyone is paying attention to this I'm not necessarily advocating PG13 this time around. R seems like a given to me for a full-on war movie in a sci-fi setting to have any weight. I'm just playing Devil's advocate because Quint's argument isn't necessarily that clean and presenting a different view.
TV series is basically PG-13 and it's cool. by ZeroCorpse	May 4th, 2008 11:59:06 PM
I'll give it a chance. Besides, you know they can't get teenagers to see it if they aren't allowed in the theater.
Blah by CGI_Pants	May 4th, 2008 11:59:21 PM
Terminator 2 was my favorite movie in Kindergarten. I made my mom rent it for me like 100 times. I think I watched it every weekend for like a year. It was the first live-action movie I liked. Until then I just liked cartoons. So please, please, please, don't let this be a stupid fucking cartoon version of a movie I could handle when I was 6. Christ. Sometimes I hate being a movie fan.
Sticking with the TV show. Can't believe it, but I am by Stormwatcher	May 5th, 2008 12:00:27 AM
Cuz it was solid enough in the end. McG has done nothing to earn any trust from me or anyone above 15. PG films, hmm lets make sure we can sell the toys cuz we sure as shit can't rely on a billion in pre-sales. And do you hear anyone still talking about DH4? No. Just in reference to why it was PG.
Christ, you guys are young. by Droogie Alex	May 5th, 2008 12:05:36 AM
You all were 10 when T2 came out? So you've never lived in a world without Star Wars either, I guess. I'll save some Happy Meals for ya.
These aren't movies by ebonic_plague	May 5th, 2008 12:06:46 AM
They're product. I wish we still got to see action movies instead of these fucking test market extravaganzas. People who would advance the idea of a PG-13 Terminator movie are the same class of scumbag who invented spyware and the 9/10's fraction of a cent added to every gallon of gas. When scientists have finally determined which gene in the human DNA code it is that makes someone name themselves Mc(x) (where x= some random letter) and make a PG-13 movie about an impending cyborg holocaust and murder spree, we should, like, send someone back through time to nip that fucker in the bud.
Scrivener by RetroActive	May 5th, 2008 12:08:53 AM
"overprotective nazi hyperchristian parents"...that's slightly oxymoronic wouldn't you say? To be pointedly critical, I doubt either side of that personality disorder would be focused on making sure killer robots from the future got a PG-13 rating. It's just plain old marketing. But hey, you're only 25. So, the whole, "I'm done" speech will probably happen a few more times in your young life before you realize you're fooling yourself. Your anger might stem from the fact that your grandparents took you to the movie. If you had just snuck in like the rest of us, under a pseudo-fear of punishment from the parents that wanted more out of us than a desire to see murder and nudity on school day, maybe you wouldn't still be sucking on that ranty pacifier in your mid-twenties. This too, shall pass. So, buck up little camper! Think of me when you're in the theater, doubly mad recalling the ten dollars you wasted to see this steaming heap while simultaneously recalling that you didn't keep your umpteenth, "I'm done" promise to yourself. Enjoy the show!
You have got to be ****ing joking. by fractureJonze	May 5th, 2008 12:09:16 AM
This just got waaaaay too lame to even hold out hope for. The only good thing about it is Christian Bale
what is R in Terminator by darth rod	May 5th, 2008 12:09:23 AM
on T1 you've got the conception of John on screen (Sarah get it on with Reese), also a fake eye operation, blood and swearing. T2 swearing, skin pealing of Arnold's arm rvealing endoskeleton, Sarah's flesh desintegraiting and becoming a skeleton with agonizing screams. I think there is room for R action movies, 300 fucking proved it.
ebonic_plague by RetroActive	May 5th, 2008 12:10:08 AM
Amen, brother. Amen.
Bad call. by kafka07	May 5th, 2008 12:10:09 AM
What are these people thinking! Oh yeah, toys and bed sheets and shit like that. WTF, this isn't Star Wars!
im confused by slkboxrman	May 5th, 2008 12:10:47 AM
how does it being a pg-13 movie mean we wont see no one get killed....happens all the time with pg-13 movies....maybe it wont be gorey but there will be on screen death...
Fucking lame. by jimmy_009	May 5th, 2008 12:13:10 AM
Why not just release straight to DVD. Fucking retards.
Whatta ya expect...its McG???? by Jobacca	May 5th, 2008 12:13:30 AM
Its only gonna get worse from here. Expect to see Drew Barrymore fighting T-800's in bullet time while Destiny's Child blares over the soundtrack. Christian Bale will probably take out one of the cyborgs with a baseball bat and someone will make a witty commet about him being "The Batman"....and you know that kickass Terminator TV show that most fans seem to love because it treats the property with some respect? It'll be cancelled after the next season so as not to cause "Brand Confusion". Maybe this will finally lead to a Terminator/Aliens/Predator movie where they all sing and dance and kill humans in a merry PG-13 way. Somebody get those horrible Strauss brothers on the phone and see if they want in.....
half vader by Quint	May 5th, 2008 12:14:04 AM
My point is that kids can and will see R-rated films, especially one in a popular franchise. It's not that I want T4 to have hardcore sex or Tom Savini like head explosions (okay, I want the last one), but I want it to fit in the universe set up by the previous films (and yes, I exclude T3... that's a joke). If it was just another lame sequel, whatever. But it's the movie that gives us the first full on future war. If there was any story in this universe that deserves not to be kiddie friendly it's the future war movie. And me seeing it at 10 doesn't deflate my argument. I was watching R-rated movies at age 7 (earlier without parental consent). My argument is that kids that are into these movies will see them. Probably like me, with family. Or the cool parents or older brothers of their friends. Could there be a successful PG-13 Terminator movie? Sure, but is it more or less likely that it'll fit in the world we know? That's my point.
say goodbye to your hopes about this one by LarryTheCableGuy	May 5th, 2008 12:15:30 AM
Its pussification.
There's worse things by yippeekaiyaymofo	May 5th, 2008 12:15:46 AM
At least they aren't going for a PG or a G, i think they shouldn't even tell us what they're shooting for ratings-wise. This project has enough against it
Tell it bro by surgeonviper	May 5th, 2008 12:16:57 AM
I liked die hard 4, but... It can't hang with the rest of the earlier incarnations. And now this T4 is PG13... Chock that one up as a loss. that is outrageous. You can't sell out for tickets man. And they are doing this before they've even finished? You heard it here first, R.I.P. Terminator
Regarding Bale... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 12:18:08 AM
... with McG and PG13 being hurled at this film and maybe with other bad news we already had or is yet to come on this, revealing it to possibly be a turd - do we think that Bale might have made a mistake being in this film and it might be bad for him? Bueller anyone? There's a ride on my captain's log for anyone who answers.
This really shouldn't be a surprise... by mr_sinister7381	May 5th, 2008 12:18:44 AM
Seriously, is their anyone out there who actually thought that TERMINATOR 4 (ridiculous to even type) would be any good? Anybody?
Fuck These Ratings Wankers by Queefer Bukkake	May 5th, 2008 12:19:25 AM
I'm going to disembowel every last one of them, make them drink their own bile then strangle them with their intestines. Fucking gits are going to ruin the fucking movie.
I'll be Back..... by Jobacca	May 5th, 2008 12:22:21 AM
Back to Arbys for one of their delicious lunchtime Terminator meal deals. Get a Beef'n'Chedder,some curly fries,and a plastic Terminator cup with real light up eyes!! Hasta la vista burger joints! Come with Arbys if you want to live!!!!
Now you know there gonna... by fractureJonze	May 5th, 2008 12:24:48 AM
...put out a Special Edition (read: Double Dipper) BluRay with cg bood added in like they did with Die Hard 4. But it will still suck. What are they going to have? Terminator's with black oil for blood? I'm getting visions of Attack of the Clones, where the clone wars ended up being a couple of wind-up toy armies going at it.
I meant to type THEY'RE!!! by fractureJonze	May 5th, 2008 12:25:45 AM
Double Darnit!!
I don't give a rat's ass if it's G, PG, PG-13, R, or X by Rocco Curioso	May 5th, 2008 12:26:24 AM
Once McG became attached to the project... "Game over, man!" You can't kill a corpse; it's already dead.
T3 was PG13 by rsdigi	May 5th, 2008 12:27:34 AM
I don't care if the MPAA gave it an R, it was PG13. Wow she the Terminatrix punched through a guys head so they give it an R. That's the only reason. Get use to it, movie studios dont care if they are loyal to the fans. They know if they release a PG 13 movie they can not only make more money in theaters, but can release the Unrated DVD which should have been the theater version. Take Die Hard 4, christ the unrated DVD had a little too many "fucks" for my taste.
FUCK THIS BULLSHIT!!!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 5th, 2008 12:27:56 AM
Seriously, FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING STUDIO EXECS!!! A PG-13 Terminator movie? What the fuck are they thinking?!?
Terminator 1 is the best movie by Prossor	May 5th, 2008 12:28:53 AM
just so we all know the ropes here.
People need to lighten up. by fractureJonze	May 5th, 2008 12:30:44 AM
Mainstream cinema might as well be network television now.
Yeah It's Funny Rewatching Terminator 2... by TroutMaskReplicant	May 5th, 2008 12:31:27 AM
It's easy to forget how nasty that film was, the scene with the impaled foster father was particularly memorable. It burned right onto my childhood brain. They really don't make action movies like that anymore.
I'm with you on this Quint! by Press Lenox	May 5th, 2008 12:31:32 AM
Thank you for posting about this! Didn't Stallone's latest "Rambo" movie prove anything to these people?
Agreed about this AND Die Hard 4. by IAmJack'sUserID	May 5th, 2008 12:31:34 AM
John McClane ceased to be a charismatic and flawed anti-hero who was thrown into problems and became in Die Hard 4 a generic action hero who resembled John McClane in appearance only. John McClane didn't ask for the shit that was thrown at him, but in DH4 he seemed to rush headlong into it. And a PG13 Terminator movie is like sex without dicks and vaginas and boobs; it just aint the same thing. T3 was shit and anyone who liked that, I simply laugh at them.
False Economy? by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 12:34:13 AM
OK, here's a question debate for you guys, and maybe we all need to do our homework and get some research from the BO/studio reports what not. - Do you think that making a franchise, as well as a film a PG13 rating down from a 'R' makes more money for the studio? As it is only money that makes the studio make any action? If we find that it DOESN'T make more money for a studio, hyapthetically or for real, then there may be a case for stopping this 'sell out' trend - as far as the studio is concerned that is, not our own 'good taste' as we like to call it. So let's think - PG13 brings in a larger age demographic in allowing more of the younger audience seeing it (all of them that is, not just 'some' who saw it in their own dodgy uique ways) and it therefore allows greater merchandise - BUT does it weaken and water down the movies so much that it can crush the franchise or lower the BO takings as time progresses? Does it also EXCLUDE a lot of the otherwise older audiences who might be put off by the softer approach and make this demographic shrink for a single film as well the sequels as the franchise tries to continue. All the Box Office pluses and minuses taken into account for being a lower rating, DOES it actually make a movie/franchise make more money?
By the way... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 12:35:31 AM
I much prefer it here in the (at times) underrated talkbacks to the so called 'real movie debate' Zone you know! At least here, people are talking about this subject in this thread. :)
Prefer it here 'sometimes' that is. by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 12:36:46 AM
Would it kill you guys to put an 'edit' feature into these typing boxes!? If only Ellen were here.
Guess what guys they 'aint making this for us. by fractureJonze	May 5th, 2008 12:38:16 AM
They're making it for the mainstream who couldn't care less about what they watch. It sucks I know, but what can you do? It's what we get for being smart with our money, I guess.
There is NO logic to this.... by Jobacca	May 5th, 2008 12:41:50 AM
Obviously they want to market this to kids and teenagers. Then when they do,people will complain about them marketing a PG13 film to kids just like they complained about Iron Man toys at Burger King.Aliens,Predator,Terminato r,Die Hard...all these fims were hits and made millions as R-Rated franchises. So why does the studio think that watering them down and ruining what made them great will make more money? Because all their market research shows that PG13 is what sells...so by god they're going to make a PG13 movie come hell or high water. After all,Iron Man made a ton of money and its PG13 so Terminator should be PG13 too...cause thats the only reason Iron Man made money. Nevermind the fact that it had a great cast and a great director and a great script...those things dont REALLY matter.
Fox doesn't give a shit about you.... by Kasch	May 5th, 2008 12:41:52 AM
They've already neutered the Alien, Predator, and John McClane. Do you think that's honestly gonna change now? No amount of internet outcry will change the fact that Fox doesn't give a flying fuck about the fans. It's all about making the biggest opening weekend possible...and nothing else. That studio is notorious for having some of the stupidest execs in town. That's why they've destroyed each and every franchise they've ever built.
Check the box office by moviemaniac-7	May 5th, 2008 12:44:13 AM
www.boxofficemojo.com Die Hard 4 made a bit more money than the other three before it - domestically - and slightly less internationally than DHwaV. So it is simple to calculate and they will probably want to lure the audiences away from Night at the Museum 2. But rest assured, there is always the extended "Come with me if you want to have an R" dvd edition to milk the franchise just a bit more.
The universe needs balance. They got Bale, now they get a PG13. by Mike_D	May 5th, 2008 12:45:16 AM
its karma.
Is Bale confirmed? by krushjudgement	May 5th, 2008 12:47:39 AM
Or has he just been rumored the whole time?
Remember how cool RoboCop 3 was? by The Dum Guy	May 5th, 2008 12:48:35 AM
Me neither. And, factoring in inflated ticket prices, how much more money did Die Hard 4 make more than the previous ones?
The Terminator series was never a real "hard" R to begin by TallBoy66	May 5th, 2008 12:51:36 AM
Aside from a few f-bombs and the odd gore shot (guy getting it in the eye in T2), I don't think the series was ever about real bloody kills. Sure, the Terminator shot up a cop shop in the first movie, but it wasn't that bloody. I think freaking out over a PG-13 Alien vs. Predator movie IS called for because those movies have alot of gore. Terminator? Not so much...
moviemaniac-7 by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 12:52:14 AM
Yeah I'm with you on the BO takings of DH4 against the other movies. But inflation or not inflation, how much difference did the new PG13 rating make to this increased BO taking? Do you think this movie would have made virtually the same amount of money even if it was a 15 rating (in the UK) or an 18? At least keep it 15 like 2 and 3 I believe were. Anyway, if the PG13 rating isn't an issue in what made this movie make so much money, we still have the argument to consider in regard to the DVD uncut version making more money or not, too. Someone get me a BO/Studio analasyst. Or someone get me Ellen Page to save us all.
Skynet is responsible for this by AntoniusBloc	May 5th, 2008 12:52:26 AM
they didn't want to see their own slaughtered on screen. Skynet, aka, Skytech, across from the ale house.
PG 13 is because of the TV fans it gained by joeelliott	May 5th, 2008 12:52:43 AM
Now they want those kids to pay and see it in the theatre
i cried my eyes out when i first saw T2 as a 9 year-old. by microwavable?	May 5th, 2008 12:53:02 AM
it's a little annoying how many different John Connors there are now. but if this new movie is at least off the usual track of "terminator hunting John Connor" plotline, which has now been remade three times (if you count the lame TV show), i'm interested.
goddammit by redkamel	May 5th, 2008 12:54:23 AM
terminator 3 was bad enough. Can they think of another way to drive this franchise into the ground? maybe they will "save the future" in this one and there wont be an army of killer robots. PG13? great all we need is MORE teenagers in the theater ruining movies (Im tying in to an earlier thread here peope..). Please make R movies for adults, PG 13 for teens, andd let people watch their movies how they want to..with violence and silence, or..uh the PG-13 way... Christian Bale, please just leave this turd now...dont poop on your golden resume....
Jesus, McG and PG-13? by Jayromy	May 5th, 2008 12:54:50 AM
If I were this movie, I'd kill myself.
It's not PG-13 It's McG-13 by dogphart3000	May 5th, 2008 12:55:29 AM
So they can't fuck & cunt. Get over it
Fuck no! by DerLanghaarige	May 5th, 2008 12:59:38 AM
And yes, Live Free Or Triple X 3 sucked! (although not just because its raing :P)
It'll still make a bazillion dollars. by JumpinJehosaphat	May 5th, 2008 01:02:28 AM
They could just go flat PG and it would make oodles. If the name Terminator is on it, it'll rake in the cash. That's all the studio really wants out of this, anyway. It's show business, not show hobby.
TallBoy66 by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:02:41 AM
You made some great points there and I won't argue with them. But they do make me think of the new Terminator 'War' movies though. Think how effective it would be to see all that gore and graphic horror in these films. (People screaming as their being burnt alive, skulls being crushed by Terminator robotic hands, etc. But that's just the graphic factor alone.) For it's not just a sci-fi dark futuristic war movie. To be really 'powerful' you need to make it partially at least, a 'horror' film too. Not just in graphic visuals, but also to let the higher rating lend a greater feeling of darkness, dread, let's face it, all the things that make an 'Apocalypse'. Now picture all this in your mind, how an R Apocalyptic Hell on Earth Terminator movie will be like. Then think of how large the adult audience would be. Then think of how much this audience could be lost if it was watered down for a PG13 film. I know some older people who wouldn't give a fuck about it so much and wouldn't see it. Take away the 'real' horror of war, something that gives it relevance to the wars we're fighting in our real world TODAY, and the Terminator movies become so much more superficial that some of this 'mature' people would think 'nah, couldn't give a fuck about some silly sci-fi movie that's too much for the kids'. Come on, follow me here. Saving Private Ryan. HUGE Box Office movie. Think of the difference that film would have if it was PG13 - then think how it's BO takings would be? You guys think it would be higher - or lower? Does this help our discussion?
FUCK n0 by mattforce7	May 5th, 2008 01:03:38 AM
This blows so many balls, ii think i should feed them to the otters
A Terminator by another name... by Wobbles	May 5th, 2008 01:05:12 AM
Really, why does anyone care about this film? Without Cameron or Ahnold, it will be a Terminator film in name only. Would you bother to read a Heinlein novel written by someone else? Then why care about a movie made by a bunch or random people who have had no previous connection to the Terminator universe.
OTTERS!!!! by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:07:45 AM
An R Rating!!! Now that horror movie I WOULD pay handsomely to see, more than Ring of Bright Water even. Just picture it - 'THERE WILL BE WUD'!!!!! Gorefest of the highest order (I mean, just see what a Ferret can do in your pants, now picture an Otter!). BO of the highest order too. Otterly a success!!!
Bad call..... by closeencounter	May 5th, 2008 01:11:19 AM
Oh wait, that's been used already. Uhhh, SHIT NO!!!!!!!! BALE, GHET TO DA CHOPPA!!
This 'Mij' is a Psycho. by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:11:52 AM
'This Mij is a Psycho.' Who said that? The fair haired prisoner. Cue the wrath of Mij the Otter going all apeshit in Flash's shorts and making a bloodbath the likes we have never SEEN!!!! - since I Spit on Your Grave anyway. An Otter can bite a man's finger off just like that. Think of how much bleeding there would be if it bit off his penis! Oh yes! There will be Wud wud wud!!! I'd queue up to see it repeatedly anyway.
"I don't hate McG behind the camera" by digitalcos	May 5th, 2008 01:15:07 AM
Wow, you're on your own with that one my friend.
THIS SUCKS!!!!!! by ckone	May 5th, 2008 01:15:43 AM
Die HARD 4 SUCKED like hell. I stayed away from the theatre even when Mcclaine himself came onto THESE boards and pleaded for us to go...and then I rented it...the R version no less...and I couldn't imagine how much suckier it could have been in the PG 13 version..I guess without the hard language, of which there hardly was any...How could they actually fathom the ludicressness of that whole cartoon chase sequence. And now they are set to do it to a movie with the name TERMINATOR???? Oh wait, they are gonna try to pull in the crowd that is watching the chronicles on TV...ughh..CMON have some damn spines and makes us a real damn movie. SUX...and I was one of those kids that had the cool brother that would take me to see all the damn R movies..that was just great. They're gonna really blow it here.
Your balls. Give them to me. by zerogundamx	May 5th, 2008 01:19:04 AM
Fuck this.
PG-13 has really fucked the industry! by captboulder	May 5th, 2008 01:19:24 AM
Seriously it has nealry killed good action scenes with believeable stuntwork. And it has killed boners with the overabundance of male testicles and ass-shots in movies where once female nudity prevailed! Now we get CGI cars and explosions and no-talent actresses who never takes off their clothes and still get million dollars checks! PG-13, what a goddamn curse!
Ellen Page by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:21:49 AM
OK, in Hard Candy and Juno right? Playing someone at PG13ish age? Therefore no perverted dirty old man above the age of 50 to see it. ELLEN'S MINE, DOGDAMNIT!!!!!! Hard Candy was PG13 too? Ellen Page cut someone's itchy BALLS!!! off in that movie - and no wud, I mean blood. Now check this out... a hard R Hard Candy! Picture this.... Ellen Page......!!!!!!! Oh kkkkkaaaahhh!!!! Oh Gaaaaardd!!!!! Oh Jheeeeeebuzzzzzhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! ! I just electrecuted myself crying into my computer just picturing her and am about to self terminate. The only thing that new Terminator movies need to save us all - IS ELLEEEEENNNN!!!!!!! For she IIISSSS!!!!!!!!!! - THE SECOND FREAKING COMING SAVIOUR FOR ALL OF US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Piss off Flash Gordon! Let me cry and die in peace.
YOU WERE ALL COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!! by Playkins	May 5th, 2008 01:23:14 AM
Add to that, most people around here have been saying they're not going to see this. SO WHAT DOES THIS CHANGE????
Ellen looks better in black rubber than Flash Gordon or Batman e by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:25:14 AM
Just saying is all. (Ahem, not better than me though. Yeeeaahh geek chicks reading this right now, call me for a touc..... piss ooowwfff!!! You're not good enough! Only my Saviour ELLEEEENNN(!!!) is.)
What happend to all the blood and tits? by BobPalpatine	May 5th, 2008 01:26:37 AM
When was the last R rated action movie? They used to be a dime a dozen, and certainly the best action movies are R rated. As liberal as our society is getting, you would think there would be more nudity and decaptitations. What's the deal?
Lord of the Rings were all PG-13... by bornofdust	May 5th, 2008 01:28:03 AM
I mean I wouldn't call them "bloodbaths" or anything, but I definitely don't think they were lacking in the epic, wartime violence department. Screw these rating systems anyway, the only consistency they ever have is with swearing. The rest is all murky. And I might be alone in this, but I really couldn't care less how many or few times they say "fuck". In the end, if this is good, it's good. If it's bad, then it's pretty much what I'm expecting anyway.
First McBuy-A-Fucking-Surname and now this... by Sledge Hammer	May 5th, 2008 01:30:51 AM
Yep, sadly, Terminator 4 is pretty much officially fucked.
Playkins by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:31:20 AM
Yes we are all going to see this film by the looks of it. But the thing is, will we go to see this film AGAIN if the PG13 reduces the overall effect of the movie for us all? Or also, are we as likely to see the remaming sequels if this PG13 'dilution' to the film's 'power' happens? I mean, if the films do become so lame due to the lower rating, some of us might just give up on them. Again, it's all about the plusses and minuses in audience attendances with this lower 'compromised' rating.
Get off your fat ASSES by fisheater	May 5th, 2008 01:31:36 AM
Why dont u lot Quint, Harry, etc do some fukn work for ur fans and call Stallone, Bale, whoever the fuck and make this an issue? Fuckin chicken shits, if u have any integrity and influencial ability now u should exercise it. BTW GTA4 is prob. why movies will die and videogames will become the new black, ie. the true and honest artistic representation of artists saying wtf they want to. Murdoch/Fox/Fox news will be dead soon.
Cpt Kirks 2pay by LeckoManiac	May 5th, 2008 01:33:49 AM
Oh how I've missed this. As for Terminator being PG-13, I am not surprised by this at all. In fact, I had pretty much operated under this assumption ever since it was announced. Every time that a studio ops for an R-rating it is labeled as a "bold move" or whatever. Further proof that the artifice in the studio system is near dead.
Same thing I've been asking, BobPalpatine. by captboulder	May 5th, 2008 01:35:27 AM
Society has changed for the worse, IMO. Everybody is too damn PC and afraid of offending people! Fuck if a hot bitch wants to take off her clothes and show her bush than why must we censored that shit? For all the overpaid young actresses in Hollywood like Lohan and Alba who get by on looks and keeps their clothes on. I bet there are ton of better looking females who for less pay would get nude, just for the sake of being discovered! Just like the old days! And CGI explosions and fights are taking jobs from professional stuntpeople! Those guys gotta eat!
Funny thing is... by Sledge Hammer	May 5th, 2008 01:36:53 AM
...you can actually get away with more on tv now than you can in a pg-13 movie, violence and blood wise at least. How fucking sad is that?
atmosphere of self-censorship and over-protectiveness by samsquanch	May 5th, 2008 01:38:57 AM
Don't worry. I'm not yelling "censorship!!", I'm just saying that even as recently as 1992 (when T2 came out) studios were still willing and able to make fully realized action movies without bullshit 'family values' constraints. I don't blame anyone or anything in particular, but these days we seem to be living in a much more careful society. Sure we've got our HBO and our GTA, but whatever happened to tits in movies? Or shit, yeah, what about an exploding head or two in a fucking future war movie? godammit. Oh yeah, and FUCK McG.
This shit is so stupid by bottombrick	May 5th, 2008 01:39:12 AM
They are mismanaging these films and losing a lot of money. How many fucking times do they have to tank a franchise before they put 2 and 2 together, and realize all their biggest money makers were chockful of violence and dark as hell. Even '89 Batman, though PG-13, was nowhere near what these cocksuckers would come up with in committee nowadays. Kids aren't stupid, but they are impressionable and imitate the older kids and these cookie cutter products you are churning out are failures. If you are worried about an uproar from christian parents who won't be letting their kids see that kind of garbage then you are making a huge mistake - thats part of the hype! Thats like saying no kids play Grand Theft Auto cause its rated M. Not only has every kid 9 and older with a slight interest in videogames already played it, the kids with bible thumpin parents did so while smoking weed and worshipping satan. And the few PG-13 apologists in this talkback have no balls or common sense.
List of things a ferret can do in my pants. by veebeeyes	May 5th, 2008 01:42:39 AM
1. Give me an erection.
My ex made a face like a constipated fish... by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:45:26 AM
... when she had an orgasm. Now, that shit - guys! - You gotta censor. You gotta censor, that shit. But no, you guys are right. You shouldn't censor so much these days. And as for what you can get away with on TV? I was watching Back to the Future the other day on Saturday afternoon on TV in the UKunt. Do you know that the bit where Jennifer writes 'i Love You' to Marty in the Square - THAT GOT CUT!!!! WTF!??!?! You can't even say I Love You to people anymore?!?!?! Fear or creating too much unethic behaviour on TV? Now that shit really made me bash my place down very, very violently. Fucking TV Diners!!!!
LOTR and PG-13 by veebeeyes	May 5th, 2008 01:48:08 AM
I'm actually more concerned about some movies being watered down as far as language, rather than violence. I mean, Aliens wasn't that gory, but a lot of people were saying "shit" and "fuck". I think that LOTR was occasionally comparably as violent as Aliens or The Terminator, but it would be sort of ridiculous if Frodo were to say "fuck this shit, I'm going home." I think that's why PG-13 works better for something like LOTR than for something like a Terminator movie.
A few questions by BobPalpatine	May 5th, 2008 01:48:21 AM
Would T-1000 have been as menacing if he hadn't impaled countless people? Where Sarah Connor have been as nutty as squirrel shit if she hadn't stabbed that doctor with a pen while slobbering out 'fucks' every 2 seconds Would the Terminator ripping the skin from his arm been as effective if he hadn't done it? The problem with PG-13, is these movies never feel like there's any real intimate stakes. In fact, I feel pretty relieved when I watch a PG-13 movie, you relax a little more" good, the hero won't get in any SERIOUS trouble". Dieing isn't as scary as seeing HOW people die - the R rated down and dirty. Why am I even belaboring this point. PG-13 flicks are good for passing the time, being entertained, being psychologically suspended. R rated flicks are for the gruesome primitive nature that resides in all of us, and it's getting tapped less and less nowadays.
Ferrets Vs Otters by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 01:54:20 AM
Well a Ferret might give you an erection, but you can make an Otter slippery when wet - so the boundaries are limitless. And I'm not talking about the limitless boundaries that Ellen Page's lawyer will put on me to stay away from her if I carry on like this. Must... slow... doooowww oh sod it who cares. Anyway, in regards to what BottomBrick said, the same studio people that are putting these restrictions on these films are the same kids that were watching films when they were under age and young anyway. It's all hypocrisy, it's all the 60s revolutionaries becoming old miserable gits when they get older and ranting on the new generation. It's all hypocrisy of the elderly. (Whispers in her ear) - Don't ever be like this if YOU ever get older, Ellen. Stay young you here?! Stay - with meeee!!!! Weeeee!!!!
Guys i've been drinking by BobPalpatine	May 5th, 2008 01:54:57 AM
hence the above nonsensical post. I'll be leaving now, and celebrating all things R rated with an 80s DePalma marathon tonight.
Scary Thought, Studios buying game companies by fisheater	May 5th, 2008 01:56:40 AM
Whats this going to mean for violent videogames? We are destined to be fukd by the commercial imperitives of mass media no matter what medium. A, can't believe Cameron suggested Worthington for this T4 shit. B, if he did it was purely for marketing Avatar. C, if Cameron (the hard cunt who makes people cry) goes PG on his shit ill know that the spine of every fukn hollywood prick does not exist anymore.
I love how the movie itself has become an afterthought by BitterMan23	May 5th, 2008 01:59:12 AM
It began when they announced the release dates before the movie began shooting, and now they announce the rating as well. What happened to the good old days of simply making a fucking movie however you wanted and then submitting it to the MPAA to see what its rating was? Maybe T3 could have gotten a PG-13, but they weren't thinking about it when making the film (which I think is fairly decent considering the lack of Cameron), which is the key difference. And Willis can claim all he wants that DH4's action doesn't feel like PG-13, but it's fucking bullshit. Watch the movie again - McClane only actually kills like 2-3 guys himself. Most of them die by his making other stuff hit them (fire extinquisher, fire hydrant, car, etc), which is a handy little work around.
Fisheater by Cpt Kirks 2pay	May 5th, 2008 02:00:12 AM
Feel free to eat my ex girlfriend. I never wanna see that disturbing XXX rated horrific sight ever again. You can eat out her as much as you want.
and you thought T3 was ugly? by LabattsBleu	May 5th, 2008 02:03:50 AM
man, I was hoping with CB on board (in spite of McG) that this would erase the turd of T3...sadly, this news makes it harder to have any enthusiasm to a once great film series...gawd...
tino by ironic_name	May 5th, 2008 02:04:53 AM

Once more, with feeling by CuervoJones	May 5th, 2008 02:05:21 AM
NO CAMERON = NO TERMINATOR
About the Commercial Imperatives Though by bottombrick	May 5th, 2008 02:07:49 AM
Is that Sex and Violence does sell (in some form to every demographic), when other media outlets whip up an uproar about the proliferation of filth to sell their shtick on the back of the fearmongering to the elders you don't pull the plug on the tits and blood, you make stuff to sell to everyone and play them off each other, everyone goes home their version of happy. These hacks now are fucking up the formula that has been handed down the ages!
terminator 3 was barley rated r... by deliciouscowbell	May 5th, 2008 02:09:02 AM
actually that didnt even seem rated r to me...maybe i have bad memory
die hard 4 was prettty good but it wasnt... by deliciouscowbell	May 5th, 2008 02:10:33 AM
exactly well put together. as in the editing process was overseen by a bunch of blind 4 year old monkeys with no arms, legs, or ears.
Um...who cares? by Lerkst	May 5th, 2008 02:15:30 AM
1. It's directed by McG...and that's if the film is even completed. 2. Terminator 3 WAS the final Terminator movie.
I wonder..... by The Dum Guy	May 5th, 2008 02:18:10 AM
Why does it matter to care anymore? Kids today can see whatever fucked up shit they want on the intertubes (suicides, porn, porn-suicides) and yet they get gruff for trying to buy a ticket to go see Harold and Kumar part deux. But, change twenty minutes of the movies and suddenly it is a PG-13 comedy, and you get all the tickets to sell, without much of a reason to see it (I'm not saying it's good cinema but it is a good analogy to what the difference b/t R and 13 is) but suddenly the actual reason to see it is lost. Studios are doing this because people are dumb and/or indifferent, most people see 5-9 movies in a theater a year, so the only good R movies we get are low budget comedies/dramas/action (see: Rambo). The only hundred million dollar budgets getting passed (per usual) are aimed right at PG-13. But beside the rant, I really wonder if it matters as to content (ratings wise)? I was at a pre-funeral gathering the other nite and the subject of '2 girls 1 cup' came up and a few people asked if I'd seen it? I replied, only when I eat slightly melted chocolate ice cream.
Cpt Kirks 2pay by moviemaniac-7	May 5th, 2008 02:22:23 AM
To be quite honest, factual number aside, I think studios are getting more and more nervous about the massive costs of these movies. Ergo, they will have to be advertised all day for all audiences to see. They just want the biggest market out there possible and given what an average teen spends on the movies (a lot), they are taking the gamble of pissing of a few geeks against making 20 or 30 million $ more over its initial run. In these things, there is no artistic integrity whatsoever, just cold calculations. But I don't know how much more money (or less for that matter) will make. Bale is a good thing, but the rumoured lack of Ahnuld is another factor. Come on, he IS the terminator and a lot of people will think of this of what American Pie Band Camp was to the American Pie franchise (yeah, I did just compare the Terminator series with a pie humping series) - a cheap cash-in without any of the original stars. Save Eugene Levy as a cold blooded killer robot. Now there is an idea...
No, T2 was not PG 13, jesus by fisheater	May 5th, 2008 02:26:30 AM
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/a lltime/domestic/mpaa.htm R, in the same league as POTC.
Have they lost their FUCKING MINDS?! by MOVIE MANIAC	May 5th, 2008 02:27:06 AM
First, let me complain, then reason: Fuck this. A PG-13 movie? Fuck McG, fuck the studio system where everything is about merchandising, fuck this PG-13 shit. What in the hell are we coming to? Now the more reasoned thinking: Film-making is a fucking art. I know that sounds cheesy, but having businessmen in charge of movies is like have butchers in charge telling painters what to paint in order to make their work more marketable. It makes no fucking sense. If you strip an artist of their originality in order to make something more appealing, it just becomes more like the other shit that is out there that isn't appealing at all. And these fucks wonder why movie ticket sales continue to go down every year. Gee, I wonder why. It is all relative fellas. You try to perfect target marketing and you lose more of your market. "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers". Christian Bale is in my top 3 favorite actors. If he doesn't have the power now, he will after The Dark Knight opens huge. For the first time he will have the power to put his foot down and tell the studio that Terminator needs to be an R franchise, or he's out. It's what separates people like him from just a movie star...he's an artist. When freedom of creativity is given to the filmmakers and allow them to realize their visions, you get franchises like Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings and Terminator. When you don't, you get shit like The Fantastic Four. Businessmen and Filmmakers can work together fantastically, and they should, but there is a reason the businessmen are not directors. They have no artistic vision. They forget why people want to go to the movies in the first place. People want to see something new. Terminator 4 has (or should I say had) this potential, but now they are squandering it. Films should be a union of business and artistry, but this is making it all business. I understand that the execs want to make their money back. That's understandable. I'm not wanting to completely ridicule you. We just want you to open up your wallets and lead the path into the next golden age of cinema. What did the child in each of us want to see when we were growing up? We wanted to see a different kind of story. The more they take a different story away, the less we care to see it. It is only a matter of time before the movie-going-public begins to see things the way that we as movie buffs do. There is no perfect system in art. Otherwise we would have a million Mona Lisas. I hope the powerful artists in the industry stand up together and fight this onslaught, respectfully. Not specifically for Terminator 4, but for film in general. They make billions of dollars collectively and all we are asking of them now is they fight for artistic freedom for artists to come, who aren't big yet. It's why we are all on here. We love movies. Please speak up for those of us who don't have a voice in the industry, but a passion for your work. I guess I just hope that the execs find the child within themselves who wanted to see the original works that are truly remembered. Would they rather be proud of the box office sales, or of the product. I hope this isn't falling on deaf ears. What do you guys think?
I was watching R Rated movies at 3. by messi	May 5th, 2008 02:31:12 AM
The first movie i remember somewhat visually was Alien, but i don't really remember that well, but I do remember being allowed to watch Commando all the time and watching the pic legendary suit up scene over and over.
OMG by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 02:32:20 AM
This is ridikilis!, cmon MCJACKOFF wake up, if stallone could convince MPAAsses to keep Rambo 4 R then why not shoot to keep terminator 4 R?
T2 WAS RATED R YOU DUMBASSES!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 5th, 2008 02:35:17 AM
Holy mother of Jeebus! What is it with the fracking kids of today?
I can't believe you're THAT naive... by V'Shael	May 5th, 2008 02:37:44 AM
It's not about whether it's a good movie, or a Terminator movie. It's about the bottom line. They know that those who would have seen an R-rated Terminator movie WILL see this PG-13 crap. Even if they bitch about on some internet site. This way, kids will also see it. And buy the merchandise aimed at kids. Hollywood is not in the business of making good movies. It's in the business of making money.
MPAA................... by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 02:39:36 AM
Must be run by motherfuckin Soccer Moms, what is this 1950? We grew up on R rated Violent movies. I hope all this PUSSY BRAIN shit stops soon.
T2 was Rated R bcoz ur a dumb shit by fisheater	May 5th, 2008 02:41:51 AM
t1000 metal spike dude, breakin arms, shootin people to shit, dead dogs, tongue raping conner etc.
Can't have action figures unless it's PG-13??? by Neosamurai85	May 5th, 2008 02:42:49 AM
What the fuck? What about all the old Terminator action figures and the Aliens action figures, and the games and... ???? I'm with Quint on this. Total bullshit, even if the world isn't made up people like he and myself who watched R at seven, action figures can still be sold to kids. And seeing all the little kids who were even younger than I thought was cool at the theater for Rambo... yeah, this is a big crock of BS. Make it R or don't make it at all. Peace.
I think a PG13 rated T4 would be good! by Mysterious Yobo	May 5th, 2008 02:43:07 AM
just kidding. gayness.
I'm Trying to say though, by bottombrick	May 5th, 2008 02:45:42 AM
PG-13 making more money is a fallacy, all these franchises were started with violent movies or just plain old weird shit that fell out of an artist's head that would never come out of a 13 and under target marketing meeting (Unless it was being held by Dino Laurentiis or something). The fascination that sells toys and sequels is there BECAUSE, not in spite of, these movies being aimed at older kids and ripe old film geeks.
ATLEAST................... by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 02:48:20 AM
Rob Zombie isn't doing T4, cause then we'd have sheri moon zombie as female stripper soldier at some rebel outpost, half drunk long haired commandos with guns, and taylor mane as a terminator.
If i had to choose DH4 was the biggest ratings drop mistake by fisheater	May 5th, 2008 02:49:30 AM
Aliens scripts were gettin shit anyway and so were/are Terminator. DH4 had hope, despite being the 4th, for something decent i think. I still haven't seen the cunt tho, AVP1 completely changed my view of franchise PGers.
KIDS.... by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 02:53:18 AM
can go watch their fuckin star wars and cartoon movies, terminator, die hard , escape from new york are ADULT MOVIES, This is all george lucas' fault with the fucking merchandising toys BS he started.
This is actually a GREAT idea. Here's why: by Kid Idioteque	May 5th, 2008 02:53:43 AM
Nevermind. It's actually a terrible idea.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOO! by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 02:54:43 AM
Out of All the terminator movies they choose a pg13, its the one that deals with a huge future war between hundreds of evil terminators and rebel fighters!!! If any of them NEED an R rating its T4!! why would they announce the rating so early to begin with? This usually isnt done till the movie is made..hmmmm..are they possibly testing the waters to see if therell be a mean ass uprising because of the pg13 decision? I say start protesting now!!!..they have to listen!.. Michael Bay of all people listened to fans to bring back peter cullens optimus voice, why not this? Where the fuck is james cameron when you need him?
Terminator is Great for Kids though by bottombrick	May 5th, 2008 02:58:50 AM
That is, Kids love it because it as violent as fuck. and strange, strange works at every age.
Dosent Cameron Care About THIS?? by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 02:59:33 AM
This is his shit, DO SOMETHING JAMES. atleast Carpenter has some say about his movies being remade.
dh4 harrier B.S. by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:04:03 AM
till this day i dont see why jumping off the harrier was such a big deal? it looked credible ..mclane jumps off collapsing freeway, onto harrier and off the harrier and slides down some concrete slab...wtf is so incredible about that ??? its not like the jet was going 300mph, it was hovering still!.. i just dont get the backlash on that. Watch transporter 2 and then try telling me dh4 was ridiculous.
I Piss In Your Cheerios by UnknownUser	May 5th, 2008 03:08:20 AM
Dick Drained! Drained Dry!! Stupid Boy!!! If you have a Bowl of Cheerios, and I have a Bowl of Cheerios, and I have the milk. My stream reaches acrossssssssssss the table and fills your Bowl! I Piss In Your Cheerio's I Piss It Up!!!
by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:08:39 AM
James cameron is out there masterbating to the fancy billion dollar camera he keeps blabbing about will "be the future" of movie making..while producing nothing the last 10 years...instead of getting back to what made him a god T1&T2!
Transporter is ridiculous from the outset by bottombrick	May 5th, 2008 03:08:43 AM
but Die Hard was gritty. that scene belongs in a different franchise altogether.
PG13 T4 Soundtrack............ by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 03:09:52 AM
kenny loggins, frank stallone, celine dion, Jonas Brothers..LOL
I won't be watching this shit by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2008 03:12:03 AM
If they're aiming for a movie like Die Hard 4, which was appalling. McG can't direct for shit, I have no intention of watching him rape Cameron's classics (Mostow was bad enough).
My promise to the studio by BobPalpatine	May 5th, 2008 03:12:14 AM
I'll go see your PG-13 Terminator movie. I'll sit right in the middle of a packed theater of families. And every time a character says "jerk" or "freak" I'll scream "cunt" and "fuck". For every slut that keeps her shirt on, I'll play shadow animals in front of the projector with my cock. I figure if everyone in this talkback follows we may damn well have a Terminator film worth paying admission for.
Quint's on the money by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2008 03:13:19 AM
about McClane in Die Hard 4. Completely unrecognisable character from the other movies.
Damn studio execs by Lloytron	May 5th, 2008 03:16:43 AM
Why do they always dumb down movies like this? (I'm being rhetorical - I know it is purely to make cash from the kiddies & the toys). Why don't they ever do the opposite? Why not take a successful PG-13 movie and make an R rated sequel? I mean who wouldn't watch "Horton hears a motherfuckin Who?" :D
"Funk you asshole!" by HarryBlackPotter	May 5th, 2008 03:18:56 AM
Can't wait for my bowl of Terminator Cheerios and Terminator happy meal and Terminator pj's. Seriously, a lot of us cut McG some slack when he got the gig just hoping and praying he would give the fans what they wanted: serious, kick ass future action and violence. Something bloody and exhilerating, and this is how the mother fucker pays us back. Bad move asshole.
Not seeing it based on that by Kirbymanly	May 5th, 2008 03:19:57 AM
That is all.
You'd think after how good Rambo was... by Gabba-UK	May 5th, 2008 03:20:30 AM
they'd learn. I'm afraid this movie is going to be joining both AVP films for me. Not worthy of my time and will remain unwatched.
AHOLE DIRECTORS BAN............. by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 03:21:52 AM
List of Directors with NO TALENT, and NO business making movies today....Brett Ratner...Len Wiseman...MCG....Michael Bay...Johnathan Mostow.
I'm Dave Pearce and here are my DANCE ANTHEMS! by Mysterious Yobo	May 5th, 2008 03:24:06 AM
HAHA, Off Topic.
bottombrick by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:25:54 AM
yea die hards are gritty but cmon, all of the diehard movies have one or two over the top scenes..jumping off a building,ejecting out of a cockpit (while the grenades take 2 min to explode),surfing on a dump truck through a flooded tunnel,,to name a few..
Well Gabba....... by plisskenman	May 5th, 2008 03:27:46 AM
unfortunately, cameron has all but seperated himself from the terminator franchise, unlike stallone who gave a shit about the whole rambo 4 project from the start on how is was being made. thats why it was successful. This SHIT T4 is going downnn in flames, MCG has no balls , he's just being pussywhipped by the assholes financing the movie.
if you take the R out of Terminator by TinSpider	May 5th, 2008 03:31:27 AM
You're left with Teminato. And that my friends, sounds shit.
It's got what plants crave by UnknownUser	May 5th, 2008 03:33:30 AM
Shit, Muther Fucker, Cunt, Cock, Pussy, Bitch, Asshole, Douche, Slamalamadingdong, Kabooooooooooooom, Capt. Dallas Multipass, Big Ass Fries, Bush/Titshots Gallore "No Male Nudity and or Bea Arthur", Yippie Ki Yi Ya Muther-"Gunshot"-er with out the "gunshot". I'll re-be back and 79 other reused words from T2. Monkey wipes ass with finger sniffs it, falls off tree, pisses into mouth. Brought to you by Carl Jr. Fuck you I'm Eating! The End, Question mark! Gazillion dollars world wide gross. Wins 12 oscars. Why you no got tattoo?
by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:35:48 AM
Stallone is awesome! I love it how in this uptight as hell day in age he was able to make rambo the most realistic war movie out there in a long time..Cant wait for part 5, and hopefully it will be an action film afterall.
Terminator = Jim Cameron by Mr Gorilla	May 5th, 2008 03:43:41 AM
AS fun as T3 was, I really feel that this series is essentially a James Camerson thing. Without him, it's not going to be that great, is it?
PG-13? Great. Neuter the franchsie. by Psyclops	May 5th, 2008 03:44:01 AM
I don't even care anymore. They're never going to learn and if these watered down franchises keep generating money then there isn't any reason for them to give a shit either. I'd hate to judge this film solely on this decision before it's even gone into production but it definitely stings, especially when you take the first two movies into consideration and how successful they were with their "R" ratings. Even the third movie, which many consider inferior, had a bit of an edge to it. Quint is absolutely on point when he discusses the last DIE HARD movie. I personally enjoyed that film but felt that it was a decent movie in spite of it's rating, not because of it.
by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:44:01 AM
have the studio suits even ever been to a theater lately?? every R movie ive been to has a dude his chick with their four 6-10 year old kids, this is repeated for about every row. Then, you have the hardcore nerds seated on the sides and way up top..thats besides the point,but, if its rated R ,kids will go see it no matter what!
The MPAA has outlawed toys for R-rated movies by s0nicdeathmonkey	May 5th, 2008 03:47:48 AM
Duh. I remember desperately wanting Demolition Man toys when I was a wee one. I guess I'll have to just be happy that I got a few Toxic Crusades toys.
sssssssss by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:48:57 AM
ssssssshhhhh...psyclops...die hard 4 was not a decent movie BECAUSE of its rating. Thats what the point of this tb...they screwed up dh4 and theyll probably screw this t4 in the ass as well.
by huggerorange	May 5th, 2008 03:59:09 AM
they still make the action figures for R rated movies only theyre the collectables at 300-400$..guess those dont count .
FUCK YOU STUDIO by geraldbeans	May 5th, 2008 04:02:42 AM
The world that the Terminator lives in is a hard, deadly, terrifying world. It's what makes you afraid when you're watching the movie. No swear words and no blood and you take away that fear. You've ruined the very core of the Terminator films in the process.
huggerorange by Psyclops	May 5th, 2008 04:06:23 AM
You're right, I shouldn't fuel the fire. I understand the dangers of watering down an R-rated franchise. Remember ROBOCOP 3? Good Christ, that one still hurts. What about the bloodless ALIEN VS. PREDATOR movie, which was based on two very violent series of films where characters have their spines ripped out and their heads punched through with very large sets of teeth? Believe me, I get it.
They make HEAPS of toys based on R rated films... by Sledge Hammer	May 5th, 2008 04:12:01 AM
Companies like Neca practically built their companies doing just that, and still do. Just in the past couple of years they released action figures based on properties like 300, Sin City, V for Vendetta, Saw, Shaun Of The Dead, Halloween, Grindhouse, Texas Chansaw Massacre, Silence Of The Lambs, Reservoir Dogs and so on. And the MPAA hasn't got the power to "outlaw" anything.
Who cares? by WHO ARE YOU WORKING FOR	May 5th, 2008 04:12:26 AM
This movie is gonna suck ass regardless. Forget the presence of Christian Bale, great actor but since when was that enough to guarantee quality in terms of the movie itself? If you even slightly rate McG as a credible movie director then you need to take a minute a think, because you're a fucking idiot. Plus the franchise as a whole has long-since sold out anyway - I realise the series is entertaining but can't compare to the first two films, but T3 epitomises this, why make it without a good director or script? Money money money. The argument above for not making it a PG-13 is feeble incidentally - so some lonely little gimp with no friends or girlfriend managed to get into the theatre underage and buy some merchandise? Well I'm convinced, we can definitely generalise that to all under 13s in the U.S.
Terrible idea by ganymede3010	May 5th, 2008 04:14:37 AM
What are they putting in the water over there at FOX Studios? They make the most horrendous decisions when it comes to their prized franchises.
Terminator 3 was 12A in the U.K !! by barnaby jones	May 5th, 2008 04:14:56 AM
And i was gutted and although i'm one of the few people (it seems) that likes T-3 i do think it lacks an edge the other two benifited from.
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!! by TomHooligan	May 5th, 2008 04:23:53 AM
Sometimes i really wonder what goes through people's minds. Lets be serious, the Terminator Franchise has a massive fanbase, and loads of people are going to see any sequels made, so why go down the PG-13 route? Surely it can't be purely for commercialism. How do the guys who decide these things get their jobs? They are retarded to the Nth degree.
that does indeed suck-ass by newc0253	May 5th, 2008 04:27:48 AM
Die Hard 4 was okay but i agree that it was nerfed by the rating. It's silly that we're getting to the point where the Terminator tv show is more graphic than the frakking movie.
And we expected something different from a director named McG? by Piltdown Joey	May 5th, 2008 04:55:18 AM

Ouch!! by ChrisVenom	May 5th, 2008 05:00:39 AM
This is like watching a dog get castrated.
So let's all agree that we will not go see it, how about that? by IndustryKiller!	May 5th, 2008 05:04:55 AM
Seriously, it really couldn't get any worse. If you think Christian Bale alone can save a PG-13, McG (a horrible director, yes even for the kind of films he makes) directed, John Connor played by a sickly child who looks and acts NOTHING like Michael Biehn Terminator film then you are as fanboyishly naive as you are stupid. Let's all put our money where are mouths are right this second and boycott it outright. You don't NEED to see a film you know for a fact will be horrible in theaters, just let it pass you by and you'll feel better for it. If we want to start forcing change then let's do it. It's time to stop the egregious raping of franchises and genre filmmaking in general. If the usually very docile (just look at the McG excusing) Quint can get worked up about it then so can we. So what do you say?
Total Bullshit by mithrandir16	May 5th, 2008 05:11:39 AM

i was 12 when i saw the Terminator by FILMFUNK	May 5th, 2008 05:21:36 AM
Perfect age! Robots! Violence, Gore and titties! I think they get away with way more in PG's now than they ever did and to me you might as well call u's PG, PG = 15, 15 = 18. I enjoyed the new Die Hard and it felt like a 15 to me but i want my old Schools Old School! there was no swearing! John McClane aint 100% John McClane without humdreds of ''fuck you's'' and a Yippee-Kay-Yay MotherFucker! and Terminator aint terminator without flesh ripping gore and shit so this will likely be a watchable A-Team type deal that might be slighltly better when the directors cut comes out! I can't say i'm in the slightest bit excited.
Bring on Avatar by kwisatzhaderach	May 5th, 2008 05:22:44 AM
to expose Wiseman, McG and Ratner for the talentless hacks that they are.
simple they want the teen crowd by Orionsangels	May 5th, 2008 05:32:55 AM

Wasn't T3 Pg 13? by Jack_Bauer	May 5th, 2008 05:37:37 AM
It was a "12" in the uk as far as I can recall. Not that it was a great film or anything, but it was nowhere near an R in the same way the first two were.
Yep, T3 was 12A in the UK by palimpsest	May 5th, 2008 05:42:43 AM
That's passed uncut (I checked) at 12A, which is near identical in ratings terms to PG-13. That being said, T2 was 15 on original release (though the movie was cut by the distributor to avoid the 18 rating). So in the UK, we've had a history of toned down Terminator. This latest news is just par for the course for a franchise that's happy to sacrifice fans for the wider paying public...
I wish Rambo would have been PG-13. by TheNorthlander	May 5th, 2008 05:51:48 AM
That would have sucked too.
THIS WILL BE MOVIE GOLD!!!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	May 5th, 2008 05:53:04 AM
you know, like, ROBOCOP 3 movie gold......
It Could Be rated G And Still Be Better Than T2 by LaserPants	May 5th, 2008 05:59:58 AM
T2 being, hands down, the worst of the series. The most embarrassing, corny, ridiculous, and stupid. And thats not just because the ending was almost exactly the same as Old Yeller. "Don't go robo-daddy! We wuv woo!" Shudder
The most quotable movies are rated R by Motoko Kusanagi	May 5th, 2008 06:04:27 AM
just as a side note. Is it just me or are todays movies not so quotable any more?
It'd be better as an R, sure. by TomBodet	May 5th, 2008 06:17:01 AM
Oh well. Where are they going with this-will there be a part V-AFTER the war etc? That will be PG. And star Miley Cyrus.
Don't remind me about Die Hard 4. by rbatty024	May 5th, 2008 06:22:33 AM
I tried to like that movie. I really wanted to give it a pass, but the more I thought about it the more it really pissed me off. This will be the same thing.
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T2 fucking rocked, LaserPants by Motoko Kusanagi	May 5th, 2008 06:26:05 AM
so shut the hell up, you stupid kid and go back watching the new SW trilogy you love so much. moron
"Cool" and "R" will no longer be used to describe by CreasyBear	May 5th, 2008 06:34:52 AM
the same movie. The days of big-budget, fantasy / sci fi R's are all done. Did you enjoy it while it lasted?
pass by palewook	May 5th, 2008 06:41:26 AM
you could rate this nc-17 or G and i would still approach this with all the trepidation imaginable. PG or R won't help either.
It's a "business" decision.... by Yeti	May 5th, 2008 06:47:32 AM
Aiming for the widest possible target market. While I think what goes for PG-13 in 2008 would likely have been considered an "R" in 1984 or even 1991, I tend to agree, it's a pretty shortsighted move. Have the suits at WB not heard of fake ID?
Who Cares? Without Arnold this film is gonna suck by Jugdish	May 5th, 2008 06:54:21 AM
You think Bale is gonna fill Arnold's Shoes? Scwarzennger is not a Val Kilmer or George Clooney People
Who cares? The Terminator series ended with T2 by Doctor Zoidberg	May 5th, 2008 06:55:59 AM
T3 is like an alternate universe version of things. I could care less about T4 unless JC was at the helm.
McG lost my ticket. Christian Bale got it back. This just lost i by mefrog	May 5th, 2008 06:56:48 AM

Goddammit. by mefrog	May 5th, 2008 06:57:08 AM
I mean this lost it again.
HAHA by Porrohman	May 5th, 2008 07:14:03 AM
Just what the talkbackers needed! Something else to fucking moan about!!!!
I won't go this... by DC Films	May 5th, 2008 07:14:23 AM
I regret paying to see DH4.0. I own all the other DH dvds in many incarnations - love them. But i won't buy DH4.0 in any incarnation - ruined the whole franchise - even put me off the original. A PG13 Terminator will do the same for that franchise - kills it for me - i'm not gonna bother getting the blu-rays of the originals now, cos i know that even seeing the trailers on TV for this PG shit is gonna put me right off the originals. Another great franchise bites the dust due to short sighted, incompetent corporate greed. They think they're getting kids in, but i was a kid when i saw the originals and it made me a fan ('til now). Like all kids i could smell a watered down turd a mile off and that put off the kids worse than it did the adults - it's the Hard-R that they love - not because it's gratuitous, but because it's for adults, uncut, uncensored, non-patronizing. They've taken the wrong lesson from DH4.0 here. Bad bad bad decision.
Who cares if it's PG-13, it's FUCKING MCG! by ricarleite	May 5th, 2008 07:15:20 AM
MCG! Do you guys even remember who he is?
So, was Bale signed BEFORE (or after) this decission??? by JDanielP	May 5th, 2008 07:15:35 AM
Just curious. Because if I was in his shoes and this came as a surprise, I'd be pissed.
See, I'm so angry... by DC Films	May 5th, 2008 07:15:37 AM
...i couldn't even write that last talkback heading correctly! :(((
Whiny fucking fanboys. I'm EXCITED it's pg-13! by O_Goncho	May 5th, 2008 07:17:08 AM
Now I can watch Terminator with the WHOLE family. Awesome.
Screw it, lets make it G-rated for all the kiddies. by JDanielP	May 5th, 2008 07:17:46 AM
They just lost my ticket(s).
this movie just turned from by unami	May 5th, 2008 07:20:39 AM
"will definitely go & see in cinema" to "wait for the reviews to find out if the download is even worth the bandwith". (it wasn't worth it on "die hard 4").
What did you people expect, its McG by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	May 5th, 2008 07:21:41 AM
the guy is the definition of hack and makes Bay look good
Another Killer Robot SciFi by slugbat	May 5th, 2008 07:26:06 AM
Another TINO
It's just not Terminator by Abominable Snowcone	May 5th, 2008 07:28:45 AM
without the requisite number of "fucks" mayhem and violence. Think about it. If some cyberintelligence took over the country and sent invincible robots to kill us, "fuck" would be the word overheard most often. That ain't no PG-13 world. And I hope to hell Mark McGrath ain't directing.
So, I take it the SARAH CONNER CHRONICLES isn't leg

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