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‘I Cannot Obey That Order!!’
BATTLESTAR GALACTICA 4.5!!

Savoring every minute of this by Aloy	May 2nd, 2008 01:15:00 AM

Fraaaaaakkkkkk! by Samuel Vimes	May 2nd, 2008 01:28:59 AM
Should NOT have read that last "Super Spoiler"...
FTL Jumped the shark. by Mostholy	May 2nd, 2008 01:44:11 AM
Sad but true.
FUCK! by Lashlarue	May 2nd, 2008 01:44:28 AM
Wait, I mean frak! AVOID INVISOTEXT. This I must do. BTW, feed of the first act? What's the fucking point?!!!!!!
OK, this doesn't make sense. Why would Starbuck (SPOILERS).... by J-Dizzle	May 2nd, 2008 01:48:58 AM
... just blatantly allow the one cylon who kept her prisoner on New Caprica? I love this show to death, but that just doesn't make sense and goes against everything this character would do. Just a few weeks ago she threatened Anders that she would kill him if she ever found out that he was a cylon, and now I'm supposed to believe that she would freely allow Leoben on to her ship? This better be good RDM!
At least they told us this week. by gotilk	May 2nd, 2008 01:54:13 AM
10 minute preview.
The Super Spoiler by Shan	May 2nd, 2008 02:24:02 AM
That's potentially a good one!
Mostholy: shut the fuck up, troll by Lemming	May 2nd, 2008 03:55:53 AM
that is all.
i hope the cylons win by alice 13	May 2nd, 2008 04:35:24 AM
cuz these humans are all fucked in the head. please bypass earth we have enough problems tyvm.
Hate to say it... but yeah... Jumped the Fucking Shark by LargoJr	May 2nd, 2008 05:03:22 AM
This show really had some promise... but it did the same thing 'Heroes' did... got full of itself (and the money it was making on secondary sales and advertising) and punted it's integrity for cheap shows. I can't tell you how SICK I am of hot chicks literally throwing themselves at the sniveling piece of shit Baltar. sob "I'm the VICTIM heah!" PLEASE... stfu and just get cancelled allready *Tune in next week.. as Baltar bangs another hot chick, and we count the number of times Starbuck says 'Frack'. Tune in now, and as an added bonus, you'll get to see us kill off more talented but 2nd tier supporting characters as we run out of steam
only showing /13 of the episode today? by palewook	May 2nd, 2008 05:17:48 AM
not bothering with skiffy's net feed then.
What if you streamed your show.... by jimmy rabbitte	May 2nd, 2008 05:41:06 AM
...and nobody watched it? I'd say the audience was all out seeing Iron Man.
Love to say it...but yeah...haters take it up the chute by Behemoth	May 2nd, 2008 06:44:15 AM
This show is like nothing else ever. It's still absolutely amazing. "Jump the shark"? Bunch of inbred hapsburg chimps. Go suckle at the teat of a malformed yack, you slimy pieces of worm-ridden filth. You don't have a clue about ANYTHING. Go back and take your place at the front end of the evolutionary chart, you know, right between the fish crawling out of the water and the on-all-fours man beast. Friggin' luddite hater scum. "Punted its integrity." What an assinine thing to say. There is NO other show, except maybe LOST, that will do to its main and loved characters what this one has done and continues to do.
Not looking forward to this anymore by Dazzler69	May 2nd, 2008 06:48:53 AM
It's way too depressing to watch. Not fun anymore.
THANK YOU Behemoth by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 07:11:53 AM
Seriously. Name one show currently airing on TV as good as the worst episode of BSG. There isn't any, with the sole exception of LOST. And I love how you all were LOVING BSG S4 after 4x1-3. All I saw on the forums was "OMG STARBUCK IS BAKK, ZOMG STARBUCK TOOK MADAME PREZ HOSTAGE, ZOMG CAVIL ROXX0RZ, OOOO CALLY!!!". Then BSG throws us one single more subdued episode ("Escape Velocity") that served the simply get the audience from point A to point B on a few smaller plot arcs, and idiots are already screaming about that frakking shark? Get a grip. This show is as solid as iron.
Jumped the shark? by raw_bean	May 2nd, 2008 07:33:42 AM
And the evidence for this is Baltar's womanising, and Starbbuck's swearing? Doesn't that mean, in fact, that BSG 'jumped the shark' about halfway through the original 2003 mini-series? That's one of the dumbest things I've read this week.
Florida called... by Alientoast	May 2nd, 2008 07:49:59 AM
...they want the sand from their beaches back that apparently many of you have lodged in your vaginas. Seriously, SHUT THE FRAK UP. Treat yourself to a Painkiller Jane marathon if you loathe this show so much.
Great show - BORING 4TH SEASON by mayorofsimpleton	May 2nd, 2008 08:01:47 AM
BSG Season 4 should be kicking ass out of the gate like Lost is. Instead we are treated to boring meeting after meeting in the weapons locker where nothing is said and nobody decides anything. LET'S GO ALREADY - YOU DISCOVERED EARTH!!!!!!
What's the over/under for Fraks this episode? by fiester	May 2nd, 2008 08:01:51 AM
It must be--what?--at least 15 fraks per episode these days, yes?
This show is stil the best thing on TV - period! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 2nd, 2008 08:15:15 AM
That is all!
What A Great Show! by Real Deal	May 2nd, 2008 08:16:00 AM
Of course SB would welcome Leiobin's help! After what transpired shortly before her " death " you've got to see he knows something about the whole ball of wax " This has all happened before and will happen again ". I think it's great that they're getting closer to earth but they couldn't just have them show up there in the first episode of S 4! That would be the end already! I love this show!
Great show but ... by Shan	May 2nd, 2008 08:29:37 AM
"Name one show currently airing on TV as good as the worst episode of BSG." - Now let's not get carried away. Defence Exhibit A = "The Woman King"
4th season gets an by palewook	May 2nd, 2008 08:40:39 AM
incomplete so far not a fail or pass yet
Mostholy by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 2nd, 2008 08:48:50 AM
"FTL Jumped the Shark" is a phrased coined by yours truly. Please give credit where credit is due and only use the phrase when appropriate. Thanks!
mayorofsimpleton by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 2nd, 2008 08:49:47 AM
They did not discover Earth. However, Starbuck believes she has. Everyone pointed this discrepancy out to you last week!
Let's keep the bullshit hyperbole in check by TheLastCleric	May 2nd, 2008 08:58:42 AM
I like the show but all this talk of it being the best show ever or the best sci fi show ever is fucking ridiculous. And a word of advice: if you're going to attack other people's taste it's probably best not to mention your personal affinity for LOST.
I can testify for Nice Gaius by Montag666	May 2nd, 2008 09:08:42 AM
As far as I know, Mr. Gaius did coin the phrase "FTL jump the shark". It's true. And according to this terminology, this show hasn't even begun to spool up their FTL so there is no jumping of any shark.
TheLastCleric by fiester	May 2nd, 2008 09:10:51 AM
Heh. Ain't that the truth! Well played.
Montag666 by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 2nd, 2008 09:13:57 AM
Preach it, brother!
They told us last week by jccalhoun	May 2nd, 2008 09:23:57 AM
They told us it was a preview last week. Go look at my post. reading is fundamental
TheLastCleric by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 09:29:23 AM
Uh... BSG is one of the best SCIFI shows on TV. Oh, I guess I should go watch more "quality" shows like Smallville, Ghost Whisperer, Stargate Atlantis, Heroes, and Moonlight. :/
Shows currently better than BSG by V'Shael	May 2nd, 2008 09:34:04 AM
Boston Legal Entourage Scrubs House Hells Kitchen Lost Dirty Sexy Money
"Shows currently better than BSG: Boston Legal" by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 09:44:11 AM
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The Last Cleric: Your in the wrong town brother...keep walking by Stormwatcher	May 2nd, 2008 09:50:41 AM
Uh... This thread and this website is for BSG lovers and Lost Supporters, you sir, are a Micheal Bay Douche. Go watch Cleopatra 2525 or Mutant X. Seriously you loose all credibility by hating on these shows. I bet your 17
V'Shael by secretcylon	May 2nd, 2008 10:12:37 AM
Entourage better than BSG? Really?
Just got off the phone with The Last Cleric by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 10:15:14 AM
We were talking about how its a shame that BSG lacks high quality acting like Ali Larter.
Say whut! by carpetofstars	May 2nd, 2008 10:17:14 AM
Hells Kitchen better the BSG? Not even in a universe dreamed up by your shallow brain.
Shows currently better than Boston, Entourage, Hells Kitchen, Ho by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 10:26:37 AM
BSG.
great show BUT by bluebottle	May 2nd, 2008 10:27:43 AM
it's falling under it's own weight a bit... It's taking itself far too seriously this season. It's like a hot girl who doesn't know she's hot vs a a hot girl who knows she's hot. Can you dig it?
I love House by secretcylon	May 2nd, 2008 10:33:33 AM
But better than BSG?
ridiculous by daywalker1	May 2nd, 2008 10:48:48 AM
i'm really getting sick n fuckin tired of them changing this shit up every week with the streaming shows. whole shows, then none, then sneak preview, all day, then only at one particular time. it's just them trying to fuckin milk us for every last dime, and they're gonna do it again by not showing us the last 10 episodes until next year, and it which point, who even gives a shit or even remembers what happened. i'm so sick of executives treating their fans and their good shows like shit.
"they're...not showing us the last 10 episodes" by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 10:56:58 AM
SCIFI did a break after around 10 episodes in previous seasons as well. I can only assume you were smart enough to have followed along back then. At least, you're still here daywalker1. And I'll bet you'll still be here in 2009.
Hell's Kitchen by skydemon	May 2nd, 2008 11:36:35 AM

Better than BSG??? by skydemon	May 2nd, 2008 11:36:55 AM
???
Nope - BSG is the best thing on TV by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 2nd, 2008 11:42:25 AM
In my opinion, of course. But I've have watched all the sci-fi and escapism over the years, and also have a list making sort of brain. And I have come to the conclussion that the best show of scripted drama I have ever seen is BSG. And season 3 episode 4 (Exodus part 2) is hands down, THE BEST hour of TV I have ever seen. Cant think of another episode of another show that even touches "Prepare for Turbulance" Have had great love for a lot of shows. ST:TNG (best of both worlds), Buffy (the last episodes of season 6), and even House, Lost. Rome was phenominal as well, and if continued may have burned a higher place in my heart (Thirteenth!!) - but its back to BSG again. First it was 33, then Downloaded, then Exodus. They just keep raising the bar with every series. And there is still more to come!!! And Boston Legal????? Mwhahahaha!!!
Admittedly... by doctorz	May 2nd, 2008 11:49:24 AM
Herc--I agree that BSG is probably the best thing on television, but you have to know more than you're telling us (same goes for LOST). C'mon.
jccalhoun by gotilk	May 2nd, 2008 12:18:39 PM
They were not specific. They said it was a "preview" when it was a full episode. You know, like a PRE VIEW. When you go see a movie preview at a theater, do they show you 15 minutes? No. This week they said it was a 10 minute preview, which was specific. But then again it's just another week, with something else changed. They just can't make up their minds. The more you know.
The Tryol bit looks interesting guess he finds out by CrichtonAstronut	May 2nd, 2008 12:59:24 PM
his wife's death wasn't a suicide. Does the Demetrius stuff cout as spoilers, seems a lot of it was covered in the previews at the end of last weeks ep.
BSG and Lost have been in top form the season by CrichtonAstronut	May 2nd, 2008 01:07:53 PM
I had no idea how they'd handel Tigh and Tyrol being Cylons, but they've really handeled that storyline brilliantly, as they have Starbucks return from the dead and Earth.
I agree CrichtonAstronut. 100%. by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 01:51:09 PM
Then again, some idiots here @ AICN actually think that Prison Break is "where it's at".
My bad, nice gaius. by Mostholy	May 2nd, 2008 01:57:26 PM
Your check for proprietary use is coming via PayPal. As for FTL "jumped the shark," I'll stand by my guns. In the immortal words of MC Hammer, THEY'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=sVVGCpJPbng) We're in late-season X-Files territory now, folks, with Ron Moore et al just making it up as they go along. How many more times can the same sets of characters (Lee-Adama, Lee-Roslin, gnash at each other's throats, in full defiance of whatever's happened in previous episodes/seasons? Roslin has cancer..no wait, she doesn't...no, she does! The cylon hybrid is all-important...uh, no, it's not...wait, it is!...And now there are two of them! It's like they hit the reset button every other week now. Stir in a bit of goofy-freaky sex (Tigh-Six, Baltar-Tori, Baltar-everyone), a dash of pop religion, and some healthy dollops of angst and simmer. But, whatever, it's y'all's talkback. For me, the show began its stall with the Watchtower Four and hasn't yet found a way to break the dive. If they reset Starbuck-and-Leoben AGAIN tonight as suggested, expect more of the same. Hey, X-Files had a great run for awhile there too.
BSG best show on tv? by mach6	May 2nd, 2008 02:01:11 PM
Nonsense. Two seasons ago, I would have agreed, but now? It's the most boring hour of television this side of American Idol. Those still giving BSG its weekly rim job must enjoy watching paint dry, or get their post-pubescent rocks off watching clumsy simulated sex and hearing the word "Frak!" over and over, because they believe that makes the show "edgy". Not only is this show insufferably boring now, I've grown to hate every single human character on BSG--every one of them is a depressing, self-loathing a-hole with no redeeming qualities. My only reason to watch it now is the vain hope that the Cylons will put every last one of them out of their fucking misery. 'Course, I know this won't happen, since the final double-fisted fuck you from RDM will be the bullshit revelation that the Humans and Cylons are brothers under the skin, progeny of the 12 Lords of Kobol, and all will have been for nothing.
Still haven't watched last weeks ep. by Diagnostic	May 2nd, 2008 02:12:40 PM
No longer best on TV. It has lost so much.
I have to say I agree with mach6... by The Last Dodo	May 2nd, 2008 02:16:03 PM
BSG has never been the same since the writers threw out the plot at the end of season 2. I've watched the show on and off since then, hoping that they'd pick up the plot threads they dropped earlier on, to no avail. To answer a question posted above me, there's pretty much nothing good on American TV. Until it went off the air a little while ago, The Wire was one show that was head and shoulders above BSG. Consistent characterization, good acting and long cohesive plot arcs.
Ghost of Nixon... by The Last Dodo	May 2nd, 2008 02:27:45 PM
You really can't jump into the middle of the Wire. To get a decent idea of what's going on, you have to watch each season from the start, or better yet, just watch the whole series from season 1 on. It's not an easy show to get into, but it's very intricate and well written; takes some time to pick up on it though, which is likely why it was never a hit.
I watched a few seasons of Wire by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 02:29:45 PM
Yes its good. Yeah its a great social commentary. But I found the whole "lets reset everything in S2 and focus on the docks" very uninteresting, even if it was well written and acted. And NOTHING that I saw in Wire came CLOSE to matching the awesomeness of the New Capria arc. Then again, I never watched Wire S3-5. Maybe the show improved.
NOTHING that I saw came CLOSE to matching the awesomeness of t by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 2nd, 2008 02:36:14 PM
So Say We All! lol Frakking suicide bombers! Who the hell has the balls to make suicide bombers the good guys* in a Western Drama * Good Guys is a very subjective term lol
the awesomeness of the New Capria arc by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 2nd, 2008 02:37:36 PM
@ Ashok0 :)
Ashok0...yeah, it does get better. by The Last Dodo	May 2nd, 2008 02:38:23 PM
The Wire was an ensemble piece, it jumped around the city of Baltimore trying to get a look at the city's long decline from more than one angle. However, while each season can stand as almost a show on its own, the story all ends up tying together in season 5, as the cops try to bring down the successors to the Barksdales, which brings them into contact with the drug running network working out of the port, the kids from season 4 who've grown up to be dealers, and so on. It's not as tight a plot as you'd expect from something more focused like BSG (So, Mister Moore...what's the Cylon "plan" again? You know, that thing you've mentioned in the opening credits for 3 whole seasons?) but it all comes together, slowly but surely.
Ghost of Nixon by mach6	May 2nd, 2008 02:42:07 PM
So you get bored with Lost, because there's no "splosions", just babble, yet BSG is the best sci fi "evar"? Where is the sci-fi in BSG? Oh, I know they're on space ships in some far-off region of space, but from where I sit, BSG is just a boring soap opera -- there's no "splosions", just babble, and the same babble every friggin' week. I don't get how you can say that Lost is boring, but BSG is not. Clue me in, please.
Ghost of Nixon by mach6	May 2nd, 2008 03:18:47 PM
But I have watched every episode of BSG, from the miniseries to now, so it isn't because I'm starting now that I think the show is boring. Seasons 1 & 2 were incredible, and definitely worthy of the title as best show on television, but as has been pointed out elsewhere in this talkback, season 3 is where it began to go down hill when they jettisoned the original plot for the ridiculous rambling and pointless story arcs they have now. Now that the line between Human and Cylon has been blurred beyond all recognition, and there's barely anything left of the original plot, what's left to care about in BSG as the showrunners attempt to stretch the quest for Earth for yet another season, by filling each episode with the same empty dialog by asshole characters, and nonsensical plot contrivances? It makes me sad that a show that was once so good could turn so crappy so quickly.
Nixon by mach6	May 2nd, 2008 03:34:42 PM
I certainly wouldn't complain if they turned it all around--I'll be the first in line to say I was wrong about the direction of the show. Time will tell of course, but my gut says that RDM ran out of ideas somewhere between seasons 2 and 3.
Last Week was very poor, hope this is better by DarthScotland	May 2nd, 2008 03:43:41 PM
I'm a big BG fan but nothing of any importance whatsoever happened last week, to the point of if the Chief is still grieving (he will be)you could miss it and not notice. With so few episodes left to cram everything in a 'filler' episode is not good.
gotham_night by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 03:43:47 PM
$20 says Starbuck finds the Earth. And a War begins with the fleet and Sixes against Cavil for the Earth. And I imagine that WILL be very cool.
I miss the classic Battlestar by Sithdan	May 2nd, 2008 04:30:37 PM
Where's Glen A. Larson when you need him?
Glen Larson by just get real	May 2nd, 2008 05:35:58 PM
Is probably writing episodes for some Nickelodeon cartoon. Clearly, his writing has improved over the years.
Here's Another Series Better Than Battlestar Galactica by kenichi tanaka	May 2nd, 2008 06:33:50 PM
NCIS. Bones. CSI. Smallville. Any of which are way better to watch than Battlestar Galactica. Season 3 of BG sucked, so has Season 4 so far. I'm getting more enjoyment watching reruns of Wonder Woman than I am watching BG. At least Rom Moore is staying far away from the Star Wars TV series and not attempting a remake of Buck Rogers.
What the holy fuck? by tk 421	May 2nd, 2008 06:59:37 PM
Hey, here's a tip, if you like Smallville, Boston Legal, Bones, CSI, Hell's Kitchen, House or Scrubs so much better than Galactica, that you're so compelled to say so on a BSG thread, why are you here at all? You proved your point, you're so much cooler than the rest of us. Now, quit trolling and get the hell out of here. Just go jerk off to Tom Welling photos, or Hugh Laurie pics, and let us who enjoy the show revel in our own nerdiness for this show.
Where's the Doctor Who TB? by Trik_Ster	May 2nd, 2008 07:12:29 PM

Gotta love trolls! by br1947	May 2nd, 2008 07:26:53 PM
They never give up! Speaking of Baltar, lord of the poontang, if memory serves correctly, he has yet to nail a Boomer model. Can anyone else confirm this?
Yeah by Trik_Ster	May 2nd, 2008 07:28:39 PM
Classic Astro Boy is better than Battlestar Galactica
whats with the hate? by rockness	May 2nd, 2008 08:02:29 PM
why is everyone trashing on battlestar this year? I think it's really been tremendously well written. Better than ever really. Sure it might not be heading in the direction you like but the Adama/Roslin thing is breaking my heart! Chief's breakdown to Adama. When he said "You never ask the right questions." breaking my heart! These characters are all heading towards their fates now. No pussyfooting. It's been good!
In defense of all the BSG haters... by just get real	May 2nd, 2008 08:22:04 PM
Nah, fuck that, I'm not defending them. They're all cocksuckers. Fuck them all. Aside from Lost, there is nothing comparable to BSG on television these days. Watching Bones or CSI is like reading a newspaper. And Smallville, well, that's just too easy a target to pick on. I won't say anything bad about it though, because all of the 10-year olds really dig the complex plot formations and deep characters.
Just Get Real by mach6	May 2nd, 2008 08:47:58 PM
At the very least, shows like CSI and Bones provide multi-dimensional characters, and writing that isn't afraid to interject a little humor into it once in a while. The characters of BSG are all one-dimensional assholes, and every week its the same thing: Starbuck: a self-loathing smart ass who's only happy when she's 'frakking', or saying 'frak' every other word'; Adama: is a self-loathing career officer weighed down by responsibility, and torn between duty and honor; Lee: a self-loathing pussy who can't follow through on anything he does; Roslin: a self-loathing bureaucrat with a Moses complex; Chief Tyrol: a self-loathing human/Cylon who's too stupid to know a good thing when he had it; Col. Tigh: a self-loathing drunk and waste of a human/Cylon life; Gaius Baltar: a nihilistic opportunist who's only skill seems to be nailing a different broad every week. Say what you will about shows like CSI or Bones, they at least entertain, and give something different each week, instead of the same depressing characters with the same depressing story week after week. If I had to live with these people day in and day out, I would have spaced myself a long time ago.
What-no BOXEY yet-?! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz by TomBodet	May 2nd, 2008 08:54:10 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and WHERE'S the CGI Ray Bolger cameo-?!
The Funny Thing About BSG Haters... by AlphaTrion	May 2nd, 2008 09:15:56 PM
is that they seem to know a lot about the show. if they hate it so much why do they watch? oh yea, because theres nothing better on t.v. I agree that these talkbacks are for fans of the shows, why do people feel the need to talk shit? oh yea, because they have nothing better to do with their lives. BSG RULES!
BSG haters are usually... by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 09:35:34 PM
Doctor Who fans who are pissed off that their shitty show doesn't get the same amount of coverage.
Am I the only love who loves the darkness of S4? by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 09:43:24 PM
It's nice to see a serious series that doesn't feel the need to throw in jokes and wisecracks for ratings like CSI or Bones.
BSG haters are Larson star-fuckers by Kasch	May 2nd, 2008 09:45:41 PM
Seriously, there is this small online subculture of original BSG lovers who troll places like IMDB and AICN and do nothing but hate on the new show. They even have a website and forum dedicated to bashing "GINO" (Galactica In Name Only as they say). It's actually hilarious on a pathetic level - they hated Moore's show from day one yet NEVER MISS AN EPISODE so they can go online and trash it. All because of their nostalgia for a shitty cancelled 70's series.
So Its 10:45 pm est by SWEEP	May 2nd, 2008 09:47:23 PM
and the mutiny in last weeks previews has not takin place yet. So whats this, 6 episodes in, spinning wheels --wont waste money on these Dvds-----like I said in a post 4 weeks ago they dont have money for space battles and now the dont have money for edward james olmos--he directed last weeks episode --they threw him a bone---this whole seasons limited sets and effects is a whore grab at profits at the dvds coming out. SUCKERS
You are not the only one, Ashok0 by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 09:48:34 PM
I don't even understand how anyone could not be digging this darker side of BSG. What did people expect? Happy human killing cylons and finding Earth so they could party all night? This is a dark show. The characters are losing their souls, or trying to find something to hold onto. This is all going to go down hill before it gets better, if it ever does.
10:50 and Gotham Night is rubbing 1 out by SWEEP	May 2nd, 2008 09:50:53 PM
Cunt
Whining about LOST and BSG... by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 09:51:16 PM
...is like whining about how No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood sucked so bad.
No, Ashok0 by flickchick85	May 2nd, 2008 09:52:17 PM
You're not the only one loving the darkness of this season. This is definitely shaping up to be one of the show's best seasons, imo. Considering their situations, it would be unrealistic to me if the characters didn't fall deeper into despair. I applaud them for not throwing in humor just to lighten the mood for the viewers. Makes the whole thing seem more credible. There is humor here, too, but minus the Baltar/HeadBaltar scene, it's been pretty low key, which is exactly how I like it.
punch Kara in the face already by SWEEP	May 2nd, 2008 09:55:27 PM
for gods sake
10:58 pm Its a mutiny YAYYYY by SWEEP	May 2nd, 2008 09:57:20 PM
theres nothing like vaudville
Next week by Trik_Ster	May 2nd, 2008 09:57:25 PM
better be really fucking good to make up for that
Mutiny happened.. now what will the haters complain about? by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 09:57:28 PM
I am sure it will be something creative.
Holy frack... that promo by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 10:00:02 PM
Go Anders!
what a bad week for television by jccalhoun	May 2nd, 2008 10:00:59 PM
I though Lost was bad but this was just as bad. What a boring throwaway episode.
Excellent episode by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 10:03:00 PM
I love these character study episodes. There is nothing "throwaway" about this kind of episode. We are seeing the ripples in the stream. :)
So pissed at this show by SWEEP	May 2nd, 2008 10:04:02 PM
I took it out on gotham_night. Gonna go touch myself to Charles in charge . Nicolle eggert rocks apologies gotham_night I was crude
Charles In Charge is perfect for the basher mentality by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 10:05:18 PM
You can't handle heavy thinking.
OMG I watched the preview by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 10:09:09 PM
Anyhow next weeks looks SWEET!!! And its connected to something that happened in Razor.
FILLER!!!!!! CSI NY and Greys Anatomy pwn this crap by Ashok0	May 2nd, 2008 10:10:21 PM
just kidding
Ander's action in the promo by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 10:10:35 PM
For those who did not see but want a minor spoiler... Starbuck's hubbie blasts one of the main characters... or so it would seem. :)
OMFG! ER is so much better! by Razorback	May 2nd, 2008 10:12:45 PM
Oh wait, it sucks. As does Gray's whatever and CSI is horseshit made for those who love Michael Bay science.
Are they going to finish the story by Trik_Ster	May 2nd, 2008 10:59:27 PM
this run or is there going to be another year long break?
Mach 6: Multi-dimensional characters on CSI? by just get real	May 2nd, 2008 11:13:41 PM
On CSI???? That is freaking hilarious. Watching CSI is like watching Scooby Doo. You already know that the outcome of every episode. You just have to figure out who did it, and why, like a fucking game of Clue. Each episode is like a Hardy Boys novel. You know that the cops will start off politely, but at some point, will go hard-nosed with the bad guy. I liked that show more 30 years ago when it was called "Quincy, M.E.".
W7 by just get real	May 2nd, 2008 11:21:05 PM
That was the last of the Tyrol/Baltar scene. Baltar took Tyrol's hand, then said "Thank you". That was it, you didn't miss anything. But you're right on about Helo and Athena being hypocritical. I really think they're doing a good job with Helo's character though, I like the direction they're taking with him, being completely torn between sticking up for Starbuck, walking a thin line with the cylon-bashing for Athena's sake, and protecting everyone else. He seems to have a full plate.
Where the frak is everyone? by just get real	May 2nd, 2008 11:33:30 PM
Am I going to have to carry this post all alone? Oh well, ok. The one thing I don't like about what they're doing right now is keeping the show topics segregated. For example, last week, the only thing we saw was what was going on with the Galactica crew and Baltar. No Starbuck, no basestar. The week before that, it was all about Callie and the Watchtower 4, no Baltar and no basestar. This week, it's all about Starbuck and Baltar, no Galactica crew (Roslin and Adama), and no basestar. I'd prefer it if they would at least offer a few minutes of each situation per episode, just to keep it all fresh in our minds.
RE: Where the frak is everyone? by Trik_Ster	May 3rd, 2008 12:00:57 AM
Iron Man opened
You're probably right. by just get real	May 3rd, 2008 12:10:36 AM

Enough with the pontificating and Starbuck's Indecision by frakthetoasters	May 3rd, 2008 12:14:59 AM
Enough with Baltar's Pontificating and Starbuck's scratching herself bloody trying to find that special sound that will take them back to Earth. Get with some ass kicking, some Cylon Civil War!
Repeating something I said... by shellfishh	May 3rd, 2008 12:51:03 AM
in another forum. Lost BSG Smallville Stargate Atlantis Heroes Moonlight Supernatural Doctor Who Torchwood This is a GOLDEN AGE for...whatever you want to call it. Sci-fi/Fantasy/Adventure tv. If you can't appreciate that. If you can't find enough shows that you want to watch. If you spend time whining about how certain shows suck or how YOUR show is better than THEIR show. If you love your show one week and hate your show the next..... Then you suck. And you are never going to be happy. And you will look back at this time with regret.
What a SUCK-TACULAR episode that was!!!! by Big Dumb Ape	May 3rd, 2008 12:57:12 AM
I can't believe anyone is actually trying to defend this exceptionally shitty episode. 45 minutes of watching and WHAT happened? Hmm, let's see-- Starbuck and crew took aboard a Cylon...his docked ship exploded...the crew is so tired that they staged a mutiny. The End. Oh yeah! And mind you, that would be a dramatic mutiny that we KNEW was coming from last week's promo. And lamest of all, it was over in a snap of the fingers. Seriously, even if you love BSG, in terms of TV production you just cannot deny that this crapfest was the very DEFINITION of a Filler Episode where B-Characters are put center stage (to save on A-star salaries) AND even worse it also becomes an all-talking episode because someone in the production chain of command likewise decreed that the show needed to trim the budget some way, somehow. For crying out loud, from the previous week's episode I knew the crew was tired and cranky...what, I needed 45 minutes to show them being in even fouler moods??? Seriously, here's an editing tip: the show opens and shows us the crew having frayed nerves...the Cylon ship appears, transmits its message that it wants to dock and offer a truce...it no sooner does that then the ship explodes (there's no need to even kill the girl)...and NOW everyone is frakkin' pissed off and they mutiny. Gee, that took all of 10 minutes. But since there were 35 more to fill, we now get a snoozefest. I got everyone I needed to know FROM last week's promo. I could have saved an hour of my life and NOT watched this and still NOT have missed a single story point. Fuck, I can already tell from THIS week's promo what OBVIOUSLY happens next: Helo orders Gaeta to call security to take Starbuck away...Anders will pull a gun and shoots Gaeta in the leg...with his gun pulled, my guess is he and Starbuck will escape off the bridge and get on a ship (or the crew will say "Just leave already!"...and OBVIOUSLY from the promo Starbuck makes it to the Basestar here the Hypbrid will tell her the cryptic message "You're really the Harbinger of Death leading them to their end." I swear, if next week's episode literally ENDS on that same fucking note, from now on I'll just watch the promos since in 30 seconds they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know at this point. I'm sorry, I basically like BSG, but this show is SERIOUSLY treading water right now to buy time. This thing is dragging BAD...
"Big Dumb Ape" is right on the money! by electroaddict	May 3rd, 2008 01:17:11 AM
The last few episodes we've already seen BEFORE we've seen them, thanks to the "next week on BSG" promos. Screw the invisible AICN text, who needs it... the writers are spoiling all their plots for us. This is starting to make me lose confidence in season 4.
4th season Sucks by OGbigMoneyMIKE	May 3rd, 2008 01:22:54 AM
Donkey Balls. This show and I have defended it for years, has officially entered SUCK FACTOR. Ron D. Moore obviously has gone mental. This season is by far the WORST out of all four. It seems like EVERY FUCKING EPISODE is filler with two minutes of action, where in the old seasons it was mulithreaded story arcs. You can totally tell this is all the pre strike shit that they rushed and that they had no FX budget. I mean, a fucking WAR has erupted between the Cylon and we get, what, TWO FUCKING MINUTES? And why was RAZOR mysteriously pulled from the shelves and no one can watch it on download? JUMPED THE SHARK. I, a longtike fan, am officially no longer on board. But ill still tune it to get ass raped with another crapfest next week. BTW, anyone else notce Apllos Viper going "All white" and the big white flash?
BSG back to being painful and unpleasant by ulcer	May 3rd, 2008 01:31:36 AM
All we're doing here is watching people who hate each other and want to beat each other's brains out. Again. We knew there was going to be a mutiny, it was telegraphed the other week. The guy above is right: you could have skipped the entire episode and got everything from the preview. It was worth 2 minutes, not 40 minutes. Please move these damn stupid, obvious plots along!! I don't care so much about earth, I want to see people I could possibly care about!
Baltar and Tyrol by flickchick85	May 3rd, 2008 02:06:54 AM
What WAS going on there? What's Baltar really trying to achieve with Chief? Does he even know, or is he just blindly following Head!Six's "guidance"? And is Tyrol about to go the Tory route and embrace his inner-cylon? That was by far the most puzzling part of the episode for me (I mean that in a good way, b/c with the Starbuck plot, I was just waiting for the inevitable mutiny the whole time).
Not that different, pacing wise. by gotilk	May 3rd, 2008 02:06:57 AM
Other seasons have had very little progress on certain plot threads. It's not new. This show is as good as it's always been. Be patient and enjoy the incredible character development/writing. This is a great show, period.
I love this show and will follow it to the end. by Lord Haw Haw	May 3rd, 2008 02:31:20 AM

"And why was RAZOR mysteriously pulled from the shelves" by Big Dumb Ape	May 3rd, 2008 02:40:31 AM
OGbigmoneyMike, what are you talking about? Did the RAZOR DVD actually get pulled for some reason? That's news to me since earlier I was out picking up groceries and my local Costco has a zillion copies of it on sale this week. Not to mention it's still listed as "In Stock" and ready for immediate shipping on Amazon.com...
I love this show and will follow it to the end. by Lord Haw Haw	May 3rd, 2008 02:44:27 AM
Sorry, unintentional ENTER. So yeah, I love this show. But. Apollo's a bore. Making Tigh a Cylon has destroyed his character. Baltar's a bore. Starbuck is a mentally-deranged bore who needs to make up her mind whether or not she "likes" Cylons. Helo is a puss. Gaeta is a puss. Dualla = MIA. Blanders is, well, bland. Roslin should shoot somebody or something. The Old Man REALLY needs to take charge of his crew. The Cylons REALLY need to track down the Imperious Leader and have him get them back to something remotely resembling villains. And will someone please tell the Demetrius crew to TOWEL OFF?!
I swear people on this show have amnesia by zooch	May 3rd, 2008 02:52:49 AM
One minute Athena and Helo were the biggest Cylon supports, they even prevented the military from using chemical warfare to eliminate the Cylons for good. Next minute, they stage a mutity against Starbuck, for trusting the Cylons. But it isn't the first time someone on this show acted way out of character for dramatic purposes only. Still, loving this season though.
the shows biggest strength is execution by zooch	May 3rd, 2008 03:06:14 AM
even with the slight inconsistancies, the execution is always flawless.
Too much Baltar this ep by Trik_Ster	May 3rd, 2008 03:06:43 AM
I thought he was going to break into a lounge act at one point Just so they could have some filler minutes
Re: flickchick85 by J-Dizzle	May 3rd, 2008 03:20:51 AM
I don't think Tyrol is that stupid. The guy was about choke Baltar to death, do you really think he's going to be all buddybuddy with him simply because he said sorry? Tyrol has an ulterior motive here, and it all has to do with the mysterious death of his wife...
I stopped watching in 2nd or 3rd season by BobPalpatine	May 3rd, 2008 03:25:07 AM
Whenever the humans settle on that planet and the cylons oppress them. I guess I just didn't vibe the new tone, and the fat suit for that captain guy. Can someone tell me if it gets better after that?
BobPalpatine by J-Dizzle	May 3rd, 2008 03:33:31 AM
He gets fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and fatter, and then all of a sudden, ZOMG, he splodes!!!!!!!11111
Of course it was a great episode by Razorback	May 3rd, 2008 04:44:22 AM
And anyone not with their head completely up their rapehole would know it.
NEEDS CGI DAGGETTS by TomBodet	May 3rd, 2008 06:37:37 AM
and Giant Robots.
filler'up by aboriginal	May 3rd, 2008 07:00:42 AM
I never liked this on Star Trek and this formula never work here either. I'd take fewer eps over over-drama waiting to get to the meat of the "anti"-matter. It was day 56 out there and boy did I feel it, but thanks TiVo for getting past the Calli agony. Sheeez.
Tonight's Episode: "When 'they have a plan' jumped the shark" by palewook	May 3rd, 2008 07:05:19 AM
Wish my IQ was low enough to remain in the bliss stage some of you profess weekly for this show. Since the "watchtower" episode, there are a percentage of the audience that are along for the ride since we have 3 years into this already. Starring The Chief as Private Snowball. Kara Thrace as Psycho Pneumatic Bitch from hell. Colonel Saul Tigh as Old One Eye. Tory Foster as Toaster Slot #9. Dr. Gaius Baltar as Jesus.
Love Tyrol's New Look by Aquatarkusman	May 3rd, 2008 09:06:32 AM
Very "Private Pyle" (Snowball was the screaming black dude, palewook) in Full Metal Jacket; I almost looked for him to spit-whisper "I _am_ in a world of a shit." As for the show, apparently they've back-loaded the action, exposition, character development, and anything resembling interesting material for next week.
Agree about Tigh. by obi_juan	May 3rd, 2008 09:31:25 AM
I agree with Lord Haw Haw about the character of Tigh being destroyed. Tigh being a Cylon also destroyed the Cylons for me. Remember how there used to be rules to who could and who could not be a Cylon? In order to make Tigh a Cylon all that got chucked out the window. Tigh was a hard ass grizzled war vet who liked to drown his sorrows and had an absolute hatred of the Cylons. To be consistent with the character he wouldn't just go about his business upon finding out he's a skinjob, he would have put a bullet in his head to protect the crew from himself. And then there should have been a later ep where he wakes up in a resurrection tank. But no. Instead the show decided to be full on lame and as zooch mentions in a comment, give him amnesia just as just about every other character has.
Why do programs made for retards like "Grey's Anatomy" get great by DARTH VOODOO	May 3rd, 2008 10:06:09 AM
I want to know why programs that are made for retards like "Grey's Anatomy" and "Friends" pull in mega ratings/hype and an absolute classic like BSG struggles in the ratings? If that isn't proof that people are mind numbingly stupid I don't know what is.
Is BSG the greatest program ever made? by DARTH VOODOO	May 3rd, 2008 10:08:01 AM
I am serious. Can you name a better program?
Why so many arguments? You are missing the point. by MrInsidious	May 3rd, 2008 10:37:14 AM
What BSG, the first season of Heroes and Lost have done is raise the bar for sci-fi shows, which can only mean good things for us the viewer. As we the sci-fi watching video game playing generation grew up we started to wield the full power of a generation with money to spend and expectations we wanted fulfilled. Also, its our fellow generation who are making these shows now and will soon be the ones in charge of making programming decisions. I think it only gets better from here, I expect to see some really top notch shows in addition to the current pioneers in the future. Lastly I would like to say that I think this season of BSG isnt like the others, its different. There is no hope anymore, the people are on the verge and they are all loosing it. When the show began, they had anger and revenge to motivate them. Then it was survival, what do they have now? Nowhere to go, over worked, stressed, just loosing their damn minds. I think this season is capturing that perfectly. I cant wait to see what they have in store for us. And one more thing, as much as I love BSG and I do indeed love it. It is no match for Lost, in my opinion the greatest show I have ever watched. Never been anything like it, though I do imagine youre going to see some pretenders down the road.
Great episode by Col. Tigh-Fighter	May 3rd, 2008 11:04:26 AM
This show is not about wall-to-wall action every week. It is about the characters. And there was some big shit going on for some of them. This show just keeps ratcheting up the tension. Love it!
Athena isn't being hypocritical. by I Hope You Die	May 3rd, 2008 11:14:12 AM
She's always been willing to side against the Cylons to get the crew to accept her. It was Helo, not her, who stopped them from using biological weapons against the Cylons. If you'll recall, when he talked to Athena about it, she said she wouldn't oppose it because she'd worked too hard to be accepted. She's consistently turned her back on the Cylons. The only time she went against the crew was to get Hera back. Helo's not out of character either; he's always been about trying to do the right thing. He's trying to support Kara, support the crew, and defend Athena against the anti-Cylon rhetoric. He didn't support the mutiny until he thought she'd crossed the line. The guy's always been like that. I think they were both in character this week. I thought the episode itself was pretty tedious though.
totall filler episode by ulcer	May 3rd, 2008 11:23:15 AM
Nothing happened. There was no "great character development": they are doing the same thing as last week, and the week before. This is just a total cop-out probably to save budget for a more effect-intense episode later. The greatest story -- the cylon revolution -- is hapening off-screen.
Writers need to be fired! by Dazzler69	May 3rd, 2008 11:26:59 AM
Is Glen Larson not doing anything? Did he forget how to make an ep of Battlestar from the old days? Just do something every ep that is excited or different looking. It feels like one big pity party. I am committed to this show til the end but no way I am buying DVD's of this crap. Show some Cylon civil war! Dammit!
Who will be the first of the new Cylons to die and resurrect? by Zardoz	May 3rd, 2008 11:28:09 AM
I think it will be Anders or Tyrol. Anders will be outed by Starbuck and she'll kill him or Tyrol is going to kill himself and they'll both resurrect in the Cylon fleet...
If you think that BSG... by Jeff Albertson	May 3rd, 2008 11:39:41 AM
is better than The Wire you're completely fuckin' retarded and hopeless. I'm not even bagging on BSG. I'm just sayin'.
In all honesty... by AbsoluteTruth	May 3rd, 2008 11:44:51 AM
You people who come in here trashing BSG do yourselves NO good by mentioning that junk like Smallville and Bones are better shows. If you don't like BSG it means one of two things, one, you dont like sci-fi, which is ok, or two, you arent intelligent enough to grasp its greatness. Im pretty sure which one of those two it is.
Zardoz by Shan	May 3rd, 2008 11:59:28 AM
Word on the street is that the Final Five Cylons can't resurrect and don't have duplicates. I don't know how people know this but it's a fairly popular belief. Even if it's true, I am wondering why the Final Five (4/5ths of them anyway) haven't ever discussed the possibility of coming back from the dead in a resurrection ship or about the duplicate copies of themselves. There may not be any and they can't resurrect but as of yet they don't know that.
PS by Shan	May 3rd, 2008 12:00:41 PM
Well, Cally did tell Tory she'd better hope they had a spare body waiting for her but no-one's followed up on this as of yes.
argh by Shan	May 3rd, 2008 12:01:33 PM
as of yet!
Boring. This ep was boring. I was bored. by prbt	May 3rd, 2008 12:16:11 PM
All these people with the blinkers on: I'm pleased you enjoyed this episode and thought it was worthwhile. But BY CHRIST this episode bored me to tears, and for 2-and-a-half seasons, BSG didn't bore ANYONE.
BobPalpatine, keep watching... by earthlingdave	May 3rd, 2008 12:44:20 PM
The episodes you're talking about (when they settle on New Caprica) are some of the best of the series, particularly the two-parter showing their escape from the planet. Amazing stuff. Go back and keep watching.
You can tell this was a meh ep by Trik_Ster	May 3rd, 2008 01:26:51 PM
by the TB response Or lack there of
Jeff Albertson by Ashok0	May 3rd, 2008 01:30:29 PM
Granted I have only seen S1-2 of The Wire. And not to knock the show (it was good) but it certainly didn't blow BSG out of the water. Yes, it was a well made series, but the whole cops/procedural investigation/docks stuff failed to really "WOW" me like the Pegasus arc. And Resurrection Ship > *. Granted, I need to watch The Wire S3-5... maybe after I finish the series, I'll be more impressed.
shellfishh by Ashok0	May 3rd, 2008 01:33:02 PM
Ditto. But, take Stargate Atlantis and Smallville off that list. And replace them with Dexter and Damages. And no, they aren't "scifi", but they are fantastic suspense shows regardless.
ulcer by slkboxrman	May 3rd, 2008 01:34:08 PM
people that say "total filler episode" give me ULCERs ...lol there is no such thing as a filler episode...if there are elements of a plot from a prior episode and those elements are built upon, even slightly....its not filler...the episode was fine....the offscreen cylon war is not vital to the story that BSG is telling....just because u wanna see a giant space war because ur mind cant handle a long talkative episode that deals with other things like faith and realizing ur destiny, doesnt mean the episode was pointless....the only filler is the pizza and beer u stuff ur face with every nite while nitpicking everything u watch on TV
I agree 100% slkboxrman by Ashok0	May 3rd, 2008 01:51:29 PM
I love how in "LOST", everyone whined and complained because the writer's didn't spend time showing Claire mourning after "Greatest Hits". Well, Cally was killed in BSG, and the BSG writers ARE spending time showing Tyol in mourning and angst, and now idiots are crying about "filler". And it's obvious that Moore is setting up Baltar and Lee for bigger things. If Baltar just got a massive rockstar cult out of nowhere in the 10th episode, fans would be complaining about the lack of buildup and continuity. So there haven't been alot of space battles yet... who cares, there will be alot in the final 10 episodes in 2009.
Squatters... by Doc_Hudson	May 3rd, 2008 02:31:10 PM
"So there haven't been alot of space battles yet... who cares, there will be alot in the final 10 episodes in 2009." So your crystal ball says,....I'm betting on another talk fest of 10 episodes....with them NEVER getting there. Happy endings are too sappy for Sci-fi.
This is why networks dont give you fuckwads quality. by ruven76	May 3rd, 2008 03:25:52 PM
This is why networks dont give you fuckwads quality SCI-FI shows. You are basically begging them to give you more "action" oriented sci-fi like Flash Gordon and Mansquito. Dumbasses. Thats is why good sci-fi shows are canceled nearly at birth. Like Invasion. And Jericho, Surface, and Threshold to a lesser extent. But no fear, BSG will be gone soon enough and you will get more episodes of Flash.... Ahhh-Aaaahhh!
Orion by vivahunter	May 3rd, 2008 04:17:06 PM
Did anyone notice the constellation of Orion when Starbuck was flying her viper? Awesome!
people aren't coplaining about Tyrol.... by jccalhoun	May 3rd, 2008 04:19:47 PM
People are complaining about the mutiny that took an entire episode even though we knew from last week that they were going to mutiny. While I'm sure they wanted to make the mutiny seem credible but there are a lot better ways of getting to that than showing us every single point.
viva! I noticed that too! I came here to point it out by samsquanch	May 3rd, 2008 04:59:53 PM
and get the no-prize, but you beat me to it! Shit! Very, very cool subtle hint there. It means they're in our neighborhood.
Re: Zardoz by J-Dizzle	May 3rd, 2008 05:11:45 PM
How can any of the recent 4 cylons resurrect into the cylon fleet if the cylons have no idea as to who the final five are? Since they don't know who the five are, they don't have any bodies for them to resurrect to.
Love BSG..... hate the filler by hansello	May 3rd, 2008 06:14:39 PM
Story development is one thing, but dragging out a 10 minute story into 40 minutes is stretching the love of even the most hardened fan. Instead of stretching out a thin storyline, why didn't they just include a couple more subplots.... it's not as if they don't have the spare characters!!
I CAN OBEY THAT ORDER! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ by TomBodet	May 3rd, 2008 06:16:50 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzz sorry
Leoben told Starbuck... by chromedome	May 3rd, 2008 06:40:43 PM
...that God had taken her by the hand, helped her get past her guilt/shame So, when the NotLeoben helped her with the death of her mother in Maelstrom, and she turned to him and said "you're not Leoben", he smiled and said "Never said I was..." So maybe we now know who he is...?
Leoben refered to Starbuck as changed into.... by chromedome	May 3rd, 2008 06:42:22 PM
..an Angel Of God. Note the large wing tattoo she has on one arm. Anders has one on the other arm. InHead Six has repeatedly referred to herself as an Angel of God. Interesting.........
Preview: Starbuck Meets The Hybrid!! by chromedome	May 3rd, 2008 06:47:04 PM
as Purveyor of the Hybrid Theory, ya know I am lovin that action!
I bet the Demetrius smells like an anchovy's CUNT... by BurnHollywood	May 3rd, 2008 07:00:55 PM
...To steal a line from George Carlin. In those close, sweaty quarters, I bet everybody truly regrets Colonial Command's decision to not issue T-shirts instead of those sleeveless jobs, putting everybody in that much closer proximity to the next person's armpits...PHEE-EW!
Starbucks & Ander's tatoos: Got them when they got married. by jbs0209	May 3rd, 2008 07:02:48 PM
Starbucks & Ander's tatoos: Got them when they got married.
Agreed. by Christopher3	May 3rd, 2008 07:20:14 PM
Zzzzzzzzz.
This episode sucked by snowpuff	May 3rd, 2008 09:08:24 PM
Love BSG, been loving this season, no complaints... Until this episode. Clunky, exposition heavy, pointless explosion of cylon raider, dramaless build-up to mutiny (how do you suck the drama out of a mutiny? Somehow they did), even Leoben was boring (how do you make Leoben boring? Somehow they did). Then "to be continued." WTF? And end point in mind for the series has apparently been somewhat of a challenge for the seemingly unlimited talent of Ron Moore. The need to drive the story forward is coming MASSIVELY at the expense of the characters, in a show that is character driven.
Currently better by I am Batman	May 3rd, 2008 09:13:19 PM
DEXTER Hell, SUPERNANNY is fucking better, currently. I said CURRENTLY. This season is still too young to write off totally, but, so far, I'm unimpressed. Sure, I was glad to see Cally get deep-space-sixed, but all that has led up to is yet another morose, conflicted, whiny character, pouting for a couple of weeks (yeah, I'm looking at you Chief). Now, with Starbuck a loon, every-single-body is a cry-baby? I don't particularly want to see any of them survive anymore. Don't get me wrong, I'm in it to the end, and I'm not advocating "A Very Special Episode" where they all sing and dance and make up cute nicknames for each other. It's just that Spring has arrived, and I'm bored with all the seasonal depression already.
TV for emos by I am Batman	May 3rd, 2008 09:33:42 PM
Cute. Tell me again - what are emos? Whiny little bitches, right? Name one BSG character who isn't a whiny little bitch. Yeah, Apollo doesn't wear mascara, but that doesn't make him rugged.
gotham_night by Ashok0	May 3rd, 2008 09:43:10 PM
Yeah DEXTER is just full of teenybopper emo actors like Michael C. Hall and Erik King. (sarcasm)
Athena is being a bad cylon again. by ZeroCorpse	May 3rd, 2008 10:22:48 PM
How is it the entire crew of Demetrius is conveniently not noticing that a CYLON is the one pushing for a mutiny against Starbuck?
I actually kind of like that they have accepted Athena by samsquanch	May 3rd, 2008 10:37:55 PM
It would have been a tired, predictable roundabout if they had to go through the whole 'we can't trust you, you're a Cylon!" Again. The episode didn't need it, it would have slowed things down even further, and what would have been the conclusion? Athena proves herself AGAIN and they accept her AGAIN, and the plot doesn't move forward any. I didn't mind this ep, but I do want there to be something solved/wrapped up/concluded with Starbuck's mission. I does seem to be dragging. On the other hand, Tyrol's metamorphosis this ep was fascinating to watch. That fat bastard is actually a pretty talented actor. Each scene he was in was under heavy pressure, I was just waiting for him to explode the whole time.
J-Dizzle by flickchick85	May 3rd, 2008 10:46:26 PM
Good possibility. I don't know if I'd give Chief the intelligence points to make a connections between Baltar, Tory's new mindset, and what happened to Cally, though. Plus, I never thought of Chief as much of a schemer, but maybe I'm underestimating him.
Chief's the sharpest guy on Galactica by samsquanch	May 3rd, 2008 10:58:34 PM
when he isn't waaasted.
Chromedome, what is "the Hybrid Theory?" by samsquanch	May 3rd, 2008 11:00:20 PM
Is it that Starbuck is a hybrid? That's sort of what I've been thinking...
too much spiritual shit by johnnyg korrupt	May 3rd, 2008 11:05:15 PM
Where's the action? All the do is talk about God this, God that blah blah blah. It's been happening since last season. I'll go read the bible if i want that.
Don't know what happened to the viewing audience by just get real	May 4th, 2008 12:50:46 AM
It's like the Geico Cavemen all of a sudden started watching BSG. All you see here is "Too much talking, too much mystical stuff, we need more 'splosions. And stuff." The series has gotten very grim and dark, everyone is losing hope, and they feel they're not making any progress. The fact that these sentiments are shared by the viewers should tell you that the writers have done their job pretty well. I have little doubt that this thing will go from zero to ninety at a moment's notice. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the build-up just fine.
yah--guess one 'splodin heavy raider by chromedome	May 4th, 2008 01:06:56 AM
is not enough for the Geico Cavemen Tyrol did his own sorta 'splosion, though, this week and last week, Helo pistol whipped a guy, CapSix beat the crap outta Tigh last week, a Leoben got wailed on this week--still not enough violence for the GC? Me, I'm likin the complexity, the darkness, the desperation, and the frank and open spirituality: everyone seeking redemption, purpose, meaning, and destiny: gutsy move, RDM! well done.
I agree the show is slow by Agent Johnson	May 4th, 2008 01:11:37 AM
But the show has always had its slow parts. I am trusting that the writers are going somewhere and that this slowness was part of the plan.
Agreed by just get real	May 4th, 2008 01:20:27 AM
I thought that Tyrol and Adama's little interaction in the bar was pretty intense and top-notch, and I am really digging the Helo involvement. I also like where they're going with Tyrol. You don't know if he's going to snap and go dark side on everyone, or if he'll see the light eventually. Also, it's becoming apparent that the only really decent person left in the fleet is Baltar. He seems to have actually genuinely become a decent person, while Roslin has become a tyrannical dictator. Love the role reversal.
Hey AshokO regarding the wire by gwarwilleatyou	May 4th, 2008 01:56:27 AM
I wasn't really into the whole docks thing, but season 3 and 4 are really good. By the end of season 4 the show really surpasses the whole notion of being just a procedural.
These Characters Are So Tiresome! by Queefer Bukkake	May 4th, 2008 04:20:36 AM
I want to do Starbuck from behind while holding a plastic bag over her head. Then I'd space her corpse. Dumb bitch. That goes for the rest of them. I can't believe I once liked this show.
Oh god where did it all go so wrong? by Smashing	May 4th, 2008 09:09:03 AM
Last night's episode about Crazy captain Starbuck and her crew of the Damned had me gagging, why has her crew lost faith after 2 weeks of hardship?, they just survived nuclear Armageddon they should be used to tough situations by now. Helo's betrayal stung though ti was the only sharp episode point for me, it felt like the show overall, listing without purpose and just trying to wind everything up, in a fit it all together way. I stopped caring around the time they where on New Caprica as everyone started acting weird and the characterisation never recover from then, for me. Remember when BSG was must see TV?, now its can't see TV as its all shot in the dark.
Actually, Smashing by just get real	May 4th, 2008 09:36:32 AM
Starbuck's crew has been floating around for 8 weeks. Regardless, I see your point. However, I'm sure it's all going somewhere, after all, there are only 15 episodes left. Looks like positioning for all the characters, for whatever it is they're all going to do in the final act.
So Tory is manipulating Baltar... by I Hope You Die	May 4th, 2008 12:50:06 PM
I'm surprised nobody is really picking up on this but last weeks "perfection speech" was instigated by Tory's comments to Baltar about perfection and this week Baltar's interaction with Tyrol was set-up by Tory. She both got Tyrol to attend and told Baltar he hadn't managed to reach anyone important yet and that was why he wasn't on Roslins radar, causing him to reach out to Tyrol. She seems to have almost taken over the role of in-head Six. Perhaps she killed Cally for the effect it'd have on Tyrol as much as anything.
I Hope- interesting observations by samsquanch	May 4th, 2008 04:26:30 PM
The more I think about it, the last two episodes have actually been great in that way, just really subtle. There's also the 'we have slightly super strength' discovery, which is fun from a nerd perspective. I've been keeping an eye on Tory as well, I think what we're seeing is what happens to the final 5 when they accept their natures- each one of them is going through some version of accepting themselves (their 'destinies', perhaps?) with Tory far out ahead of the pack. The only one who isn't metamorphosing is Anders, it seems, though we still don't know what the significance of the raider's eye-scan might be. Maybe the more they come to terms with the fact that they are the final 5, they get that much closer to fulfilling their 'programming', or their 'destinies', whichever you prefer. Let's see if Tigh develops some connection to Baltar...
just get real- 15 episodes?? by samsquanch	May 4th, 2008 04:29:55 PM
I thought this was the last season...
"Roslin has beomce a tyrannical dictator" by J-Dizzle	May 4th, 2008 05:35:46 PM
I think Lee Adama said it best: "We're not a civilization any more. We're a gang on the run. And because of that we've had to break rules, bend laws in order to survive." Roslin is dying, and she's doing all that she can to ensure the safety of her people, even if it means breaking rules and bending laws.
wtf by slkboxrman	May 4th, 2008 05:46:32 PM
wtf is "the woman king" ???? BSG rocks.... u haters are just upset cuz every episode doesnt have giant space battles.. when a TV show doesnt play like a video game its foreign to u losers...do us all a favor and go back to ur ps3 or xbox and ur porn.
Orion! by chrth	May 4th, 2008 06:47:28 PM
Watching the ep now, and holy shit, that was Orion! I think Kara is on the right track ...
Yes, chrth by samsquanch	May 4th, 2008 07:31:00 PM
A talkbacker by the name of vivahunter pointed it out first. I love that bit of subtle hinting that they're smack dab in the right zip code.
Wnanahara7 by samsquanch	May 4th, 2008 07:31:25 PM
examples? I'm genuinely curious.
I saw vivahunter's mention by chrth	May 4th, 2008 07:34:17 PM
Surprised no one else remarked on it though. It was pretty much the most intriguing aspect of the episode.
I think most people wouldn't recognize it. by samsquanch	May 4th, 2008 09:12:17 PM
Most people don't know any constellations, even Orion, which is the rock star of constellations.
BSG is not sci-fi by mach6	May 4th, 2008 09:12:25 PM
I think it's funny how the die hard BSG fans come down on those who feel justified criticizing the direction of the show by claiming that we must not love sci-fi. Not true. The problem is that BSG ceased to be a sci-fi show somewhere around season 3, when it morphed into a lame soap opera that just happens to take place on a space ship. It is now a hopelessly ineptly written drama, where the characters are all either assholes or whiny bitches, and every scene is filmed in the same dimly-lit warehouse. The sci-fi is limited to the few seconds of cut scenes featuring the exterior of the space ships and the increasingly rare scene of actual space combat (only one scene so far in season 4). On a side note, why is the civilization that the humans come from capable of building immense space ships, complete with FTL drives, yet they haven't been able to wrap their brains around the simple physics of an air conditioner? This show sucks.
BSG is not sci-fi by J-Dizzle	May 4th, 2008 10:31:18 PM
Its fantasy set in space!
Why is the vast majority of Baltar's cult made up of.... by J-Dizzle	May 4th, 2008 10:33:45 PM
...women? Is he really THAT good of a lay? Wait.... I got it, he enjoys giving fellatio! That must be it!
uh, J-Dizzle by samsquanch	May 5th, 2008 01:04:43 AM
you can't give a woman fellatio.
chrth... by joemc72	May 5th, 2008 01:45:05 AM
During the battle a few episodes back between the cylon baseships Orion was visible as well.
ain't nothin' more blinkered than fanbois by prbt	May 5th, 2008 03:29:32 AM
Us 'haters' are people who loved the show the first couple of seasons. Yeah, there were fights, explosions, but there was also A LOT of top-hole character work. You didn't find us complaining then. Since they left New Caprica, BSG has become a bunch of whiny me-me-me characters sat around moaning at each other. S1+2: sparkling dialogue, fast pace, interesting; S3+4: flat faux-clever dialogue, snail's pace, not interesting. See? This show has managed to make James Callis' Gaius Baltar BORING - how is this possible?
Wow...I agree with Geico Caveman theory by Ultron ver 2.0	May 5th, 2008 10:26:40 AM
Not enough 'splosions to pacify the mouthbreathers. I personally have enjoyed these latest episodes: they're super dark, full of despair. Gaius is actually becoming a man of faith (which is a 180 degree change). And The Wire, IMHO, is an "ok" show....waaay overrated. I watched the first 2 seasons, and was really not impressed.
Ulton 2.0 by mach6	May 5th, 2008 12:00:59 PM
Ultron, the only thing dark about BSG is the sets, and the only thing worthy of despair is the horrible writing this show has now. The scenes with Starbuck and her undisciplined and disaffected crew were painfully boring, and did nothing to progress what little there is of this story line--it took 45 minutes to tell us what we already knew: Starbuck is nuts, the crew sweaty and angry. Starbuck lets Leoben aboard, only to tell her nothing useful or reveal anything we haven't already surmised from past episodes. No closer to finding Earth than we were two weeks ago. The Baltar-turned-Jesus bit has become excruciating to watch as it monopolizes more and more screen time. The sight of him sitting on his throne, dressed in flowing robes surrounded by starry-eyed whores as he babbles feel-good nonsense is unintentionally hilarious, as was Chief Tyrol's half hearted impression of Private Pyle. This show is a failure.
mach6 by Mr. Nice Gaius	May 5th, 2008 01:00:03 PM
Thankfully, I'm not tuning into the same show you seem to be watching. Granted, the Starbuck plot is admittedly slow (about as slow as all that Helo/Boomer on Caprica stuff during S-1) and her character seems to be on the verge of disbelief. But the Baltar stuff is fascinating and right on course with what Six has been telling him since Season 1. Am I the only one who finds the image of him sitting on a "throne" dressed in robes to look strangely like the old-school Imperious Leader? "This show is a failure." - Utterly ridiculous. And I find your vitriol to be rather misplaced and altogether premature. And unless I miss my guess, this show is getting ready to 'splode.
Well said, MNG by NoHubris	May 5th, 2008 01:09:06 PM
Agreed. I caught Baltar on the throne like the Imperious Leader too. He's winning over more people. He already has Tory in his grasp. Now he's about to win over Tyrol -- and he's just getting started!
Mr. Nice Gaius by secretcylon	May 5th, 2008 01:09:44 PM
This show is getting ready to get ready to explode. A couple of more episodes...
Mr. Nice Gaius by mach6	May 5th, 2008 01:14:17 PM
The difference between the arc of Boomer/Helo in S1 and now is that at least in S1, we had that bit of drama contrasted by the suspense and action of Galactica being relentlessly pursued by the Cylons. Now, we just get boring/boring. The stuff with Baltar would be more interesting if this were the ultimate result of a psychotic break from reality, but it isn't. Baltar truly believes his own bullshit, and that makes it all the more ridiculous. The parallel with Gaius Baltar and the Imperious Leader from TOS might make sense, if Baltar were portrayed as any sort of threat here, but he merely comes off (no pun intended) as the laughable leader of an all-female sex cult--hardly a threat, since he himself seems completely uninterested in anything but bedding the next hottie to walk into his tent.
mach6 by Ultron ver 2.0	May 5th, 2008 01:34:17 PM
you don't find anything dark about Chief Tyrell? Fer crissakes, he's turning into Private Pyle! As for Baltar, I'm genuinely enjoying his turnaround, and his character seems to be the only one "getting it" (old gods vs singular god).....I don't think he's spouting bullshit, I think he's actually an instrument of God now, and believes it.
Ultron by mach6	May 5th, 2008 02:00:45 PM
No, I don't find anything particularly dark about Tyrol, because his behavior is predictably cliche`: His wife murdered and he himself a Cylon, his world has been turned upside down--the best the writers can come up with is to shave his head, and make him walk around all crazy-eyed? :Yawn: As for Baltar being the only one who "gets it", it's completely illogical and unrealistic. There's no valid reason for Baltar to believe that he is an "instrument of God", unless he'd had a complete break from reality. This would have been the more logical direction; Baltar, having unwittingly been the instrument of Humanity's near annihilation because of his sexual relations with a Cylon, would naturally be paranoid to the point of psychosis due to his guilt. IMO, the "Head Six" was the perfect manifestation of this guilt, and, after this relentless guilt having driven him insane, caused him to believe that he is a prophet from God. But no. Head Six is not a figment of his guilty conscience at all, but a real being, capable of physically interacting with the material world, though inexplicably, no one but Baltar can physically see or hear her, though they can see her physically manipulate him. To date, no explanation is given for the incongruity this represents, and given the sloppy writing, I doubt one ever will. The direction they're taking Baltar doesn't make any sense; right now, it seems we're meant to sympathize with the person responsible not only for the destruction of the Colonies, but the ill-fated colonization of New Caprica. I don't see how they intend to move this in a more sinister direction, unless Baltar's cult takes on a mind of its own. In which case, Baltar becomes an unwitting pawn once again, victim to his own stupidity.
Hopefully Tigh will bring Baltar back down to Earth ... by Shan	May 5th, 2008 11:11:20 PM
... at the end of his fist.
Baltar as a Divine Instrument by NoHubris	May 6th, 2008 12:07:36 AM
Baltar's belief that he is a divine instrument was explained and superbly portrayed in the Season 1 episode "Hand of God." It is one of the best of the entire series IMHO.
Adama '08 by bswise	May 6th, 2008 05:35:34 PM
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