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by Magic Rat
Apr 28th, 2008
08:29:00 AM
wooo
Anyone seen my dad?
by Bastard Son of Superman
Apr 28th, 2008
08:29:24 AM
Doesn't look [OMGWTFIRST!] too good
by William Ashbless
Apr 28th, 2008
08:29:59 AM
I watched the trailer and the jokes just bombed one after the other. Still, the idea was pretty funny.
NO OMGWTFIRST? NOOOOOO!
by William Ashbless
Apr 28th, 2008
08:30:24 AM
Lol.
John Cusack
by Magic Rat
Apr 28th, 2008
08:31:13 AM
has made one good movie in the last 20 years. Anyone wanna guess which one I'm referring to?
Hilary Duff as an East Asian?
by Pennsy
Apr 28th, 2008
08:36:10 AM
*shakes head*
John Cusak ist Krieg
by testricals
Apr 28th, 2008
08:48:43 AM
Ja!
Bastard Son of Superman
by tonagan
Apr 28th, 2008
08:48:56 AM
I might get tired of that at some point, but for now I still laugh every time I read that subject header.
Grosse Point Blank connections
by Franklin T Marmoset
Apr 28th, 2008
08:53:03 AM
I think these connections are what interest me most about this one, since I love that film. I note from IMDB that this is another one where Cusack has had a hand in the screenplay, so that gives me some hope.

It's a shame he couldn't have roped in George Armitage and maybe Minnie Driver and done a full-on Grosse Point sequel. I would love to see that.

High Fidelity
by Dwide Shrewd
Apr 28th, 2008
08:54:09 AM
was Cusack's last good film. 8 years ago.
I Gotta Say, This Looks Funny To Me
by kevinwillis.net
Apr 28th, 2008
09:01:16 AM
And I always enjoy seeing Cusack kick ass. The big question here is, is he another widower? It seems like in the last 5 movies I've seen with Cusack, his wife eitehr dies right at the start or died a few years before the time period of the film. He apparently has a thing for playing widowers.
Eitehr . . . I mean, Either
by kevinwillis.net
Apr 28th, 2008
09:01:54 AM
But am I right or am I right? Cusack's spouses have a high mortality rate on screen.
Daddy doesn't love me.
by Bastard Son of Superman
Apr 28th, 2008
09:17:35 AM
I need a hair loss scene
by Spandau Belly
Apr 28th, 2008
09:20:28 AM
Where Cusak checks out his bald spot in the mirror and notices a bar code he never knew he had.
Spandau Belly
by Bastard Son of Superman
Apr 28th, 2008
09:21:49 AM
hehehe...funny name...ehehe
I´m glad your flu is over, Vern
by CuervoJones
Apr 28th, 2008
09:24:58 AM
Salud.
What about the Ice Harvest
by jmyoung666
Apr 28th, 2008
09:27:01 AM
Haven't rented it yet, but I thought that was generally considered to be good.
Cusack is letting his politics kill his career
by DevilCat
Apr 28th, 2008
09:31:41 AM
As I mentioned on the other thread about this movie, he's a talented guy with some great movies under his belt. However, he's letting his distaste for the war and President Bush consume him and drive him to make bad career choices.

I'm not saying that the war-or the Bush presidency-have been a success. But anyone (with the possible exception of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton) who starts letting their hatred of either dictate how they do their jobs is letting their emotions get in the way of common sense.

Fist pumpingly subversive?
by Mooly
Apr 28th, 2008
09:33:42 AM
I seem to recall when this war first started and everything that was actualy "fist pumpingly subversive" was either dismissed or bashed as being America-hatred, Bush-hatred or just plain propaganda. Funny how, now that everyone is finally on board, instead of FINALLY giving a voice to these films, people just shrug and say, "Eh...we knew this already. No point talking about it now." Jesus, people today sure have a hatred for being wrong and having to change their mind. Having said all that, this movie sounds like crap.
I'll probably still check this out
by photoboy
Apr 28th, 2008
10:30:18 AM
Grosse Point Blank was fantastic, so if this has even half the charm of that one I think I'll enjoy it. It does seem a shame it's been dumped DTV though.

I heard they wanted to make a Grosse Point sequel but they didn't have the rights to the characters so they just did similar characters instead for this film.
Fist Pumpingly Subversive
by PotSmokinAlien
Apr 28th, 2008
11:22:08 AM
If Peter Travers had written that, it would be on the cover of this movie.
DevilCat Stop killing the talkback you stupid fucking moron
by Proman1984
Apr 28th, 2008
11:44:03 AM
You sir, are Maroooon. A jablo!
Who knows
by samsquanch
Apr 28th, 2008
01:46:49 PM
Akroyd's Cheney impression looks hilarious, it could be good satire, as long as it sticks to the script and doesn't get bogged down in lefty self-congratulation. Corporate cronyism in politics is a ripe topic for deep flaying, I just hope they get it right and don't turn it into a soap-box rant.
Mooly
by Vern
Apr 28th, 2008
01:50:58 PM
Buddy, I was not wrong and did not have to change my mind. I'm saying I would've loved to see this movie back then, it would've given me goosebumps because it's what needed to be said back then. Now I saw it and I liked it but it does have a been-there, done-that quality because most people have caught on by now. That's the facts, jack. Don't blame me.
make duff take her top off
by bacci40
Apr 28th, 2008
02:01:28 PM
enough of the teasing, you fucking skeeze...show us the goods....oh, and i have much man love for cusack...this movie is sure to piss off the wingnuts
Is this a sequel?
by krushjudgement
Apr 28th, 2008
02:06:18 PM
to Grosse Point Blank?
Vern, do you really think so?
by samsquanch
Apr 28th, 2008
02:09:15 PM
Bush's approval rating is the lowest it's ever been, and most Americans are 'against' the war, (though finding two people who feel exactly the same way about it isn't easy) That said though, I have a feeling that even though the specific premise of this film might seem ho-hum so-last-year to you, most people watching a film that basically says that our government has been subverted by corporate interests, AND that our soldiers are dying to line the pockets of a few wealthy elites- might not be so ready to believe it.

Personally, if the comedy serves to enlighten, and they get their facts straight, I think this movie could be really important, and timely NOW. The new system set up by Cheney and Co. will outlive the Bush presidency, it might outlive us, for all we know, so the more people who learn about it now the better. Go ask a perfect stranger on the street if he or she is against the war, but supports the troops. Pretty easy, most people would probably say yes. now ask that same person if they believe that their government colluded with some private interests to wage a war and put us all at risk based on false pretenses, not to mention exploit the military to increase profits and give them a veneer of respectability and an unassailable shield against dissent (as the bodies piled up), that essentially, war is now literally a business, with our elected leaders more interested in serving their shareholders than the American people. I doubt you'll get the same answer.

samsquanch: support the troops, not the mission
by Spandau Belly
Apr 28th, 2008
03:48:03 PM
My country is not in Iraq, but we're in Afganistan and we get pretty much the same debate and the phrase "support the troops but not the mission" has become my most hated catchphrase.

How the fuck can anybody say "I don't support what you do but I support you for doing it?" It blows my mind. The defense they always give is that these soldiers have "no choice" which is total bullshit since my country does not employ conscription. If these guys don't want to be judged based on the decisions and orders of their superiors then they shouldn't sign their free will away to them.

I get that these guys join the army during peace time and are ordered to fight in this war, but if they had a deep ethical problem with it they could quit/refuse. Sure, there'd be consequences for them professionally/personally but is dealing with unemployment harder than killing other people when you feel it's to bad ends? You're willing to get shot at by foreigners for what your superiors order you to do but you shouldn't have to deal with some one from your own country opposing you verbally? WTF?

That's just my little rant against that bullshit phrase. It's not a comment on our war or your war, just that you can't agree with somebody having a job doing something with which you disagree. That's bullshit.
Spandau- I understand your frustration
by samsquanch
Apr 28th, 2008
05:19:24 PM
But let me clear something up- The military as a whole, and specifically the men and women who join the armed forces do so to serve their country. The military serves the interests of the government, which, in a democratic society, serves the interests of the people. If you ultimately have a problem with what a soldier is doing, know that he or she is doing it IN YOUR NAME. It is not a soldier's job to write policy, or even question it. It is a soldier's job to follow orders, and unless you think that your country is a complete failure in terms of the principles of democracy, you have to acknowledge that it is a noble thing to volunteer to serve your country. You have a problem with the orders being given? You are personally complicit in the nature of those orders, moreso than the soldier. Soldiers do have a choice, but the role of the soldier is a unique one, their set of rights are subject to their level of involvement with the military. If you refuse to vote, no one's going to arrest you. If a soldier refuses to carry out orders, he can be incarcerated, court martialed, and worse.

Ultimately, it's your duty as a citizen to know the difference between the troops and the mission. if you don't, you're doing a disservice to the men and women of the armed forces. It's not up to the soldiers where they're deployed, or against whom. Those decisions are made by your government, and therefore, by you.

Mark Twain said: "Loyalty to your country always, loyalty to your government when they deserve it."

Spandau
by CondomWrapper
Apr 28th, 2008
06:02:13 PM
You're barking up the wrong tree my Canadian friend (I assume you're Canadian, right?). Go after the politicians who send your troops to Afghanistan and not the troops themselves.
vern, where's the talkback on Seagalology?
by BadMrWonka
Apr 28th, 2008
06:24:56 PM
already pre-ordered that shit on Amazon, and we're promoting the hell out of it on my website, tastybooze.com

congrats to you sir!

I'm there.
by mr_sinister7381
Apr 28th, 2008
06:52:45 PM
Cusack, Akroyd, assassins, = I'm there. Sounds like a cool companion to GROSS POINTE BLANK
might rent it
by The Amazing G
Apr 28th, 2008
09:18:03 PM
or wait for the movie channels
Oh look! Its another movie about people making $$$ from war!
by J-Dizzle
Apr 28th, 2008
10:01:19 PM
And who are these people? Hollywood producers of course!
J-Dizzle
by samsquanch
Apr 28th, 2008
10:39:40 PM
Something tells me this movie isn't your average run-of-the-mill studio cash-cow.

Also, if your point is that companies like Halliburton are connected not-too-subtly with the architects of the war (and who's shareholders and CEO's make obcene amounts of cash through no-bid contracts for reconstruction), and that puts them on the same morally bankrupt level as Hollywood 'execs' who, uh, make movies ABOUT such actions, I think we can all agree that you're a fucking idiot. That's assuming this was your point. If not, please forgive me.

Samsquanch
by Vern
Apr 28th, 2008
11:18:44 PM
You make good points, particularly that this war-for-profit problem is here to stay and will continue to be a problem after this war is over (should be any day now, I bet). So I think you're right. I would've rather seen it earlier but it is still an important issue. And like I said it's a pretty good movie.
Willy Wonka
by Vern
Apr 28th, 2008
11:20:09 PM
Thanks for the plug on your boobs blog, I appreciate it. I never thought of having a talkback for the book, that would be fun after it comes out but I don't know.
my personal favorite political satire film is
by The Amazing G
Apr 29th, 2008
12:49:28 AM
Spies Like Us, however Dr Strangelove will ALWAYS be the technical best
Dr Strangelove is an unbeatable classic.
by samsquanch
Apr 29th, 2008
01:19:39 AM
Why did this movie get blacklisted?
by krack
Apr 29th, 2008
01:24:42 AM
It's been finished for almost a year - maybe even longer than a year. And it just sat there. What could be so inherently bad about it that they wouldn't release it in theaters? You'd think they'd have a ready-made fanbase because of all the Grosse Pointe Blank fans.
Excellent, your recommendation is appreciated.
by samsquanch
Apr 29th, 2008
01:28:15 AM
I'll probably just buy this one, I can't imagine it won't end up in the cheap bin before too long.
boobs blog, lol
by BadMrWonka
Apr 29th, 2008
02:42:38 AM
hey, the bills don't pay themselves...but I try to class it up a little here and there...congrats again...
I support the actors, but not the romance
by Spandau Belly
Apr 29th, 2008
09:22:00 AM
I guess I just can't agree with you guys on opposing a mission but not the troops who carry it out. Unless you were raised like Jet Li in Unleashed then you have no real excuse for blindly following somebody who gives you orders.

If you're a soldier carrying out these missions then on some level you agree with them, and if not then you're just an asshole who'll kill for money so I have even less admiration for you.

I get what you're saying about blaming the politicians, and they're definately complicit too, but who's worse, the fool or the fool who follows him?

Plus we could just go around in circles saying the troops just follow orders from politicians, the politicians just follow lobbying from the corporations that bring their nations prosperity, the corporate guys just act on their duty to their shareholders, their shareholders are just trying to provide for their families, and once people start hiding behind their kids it's all over. But ultimately somebody has to take a stand if they think this is wrong. I have no problem telling a guy I'm not cool with him killing people. It's easy to blame some abstract distant politician, those people just feel like characters to us anyway. It's hard to look at your neighbour or sibling and say "It makes me sick that you'll kill people and destroy other countries when you don't even see any purpose in it beyond your own paycheck or duty to your macho club."

I guess the closest I can come to relating to your mindset is this show I watch called DEXTER. The actors playing Dexter and his sister are dating in real life and I find that yicky for some reason. I know on the show they're even playing adoptive brother and sister but still. So I support the actors in their portrayal of brother and sister but not the romance.
Spandau, You miss the point.
by samsquanch
Apr 29th, 2008
01:44:03 PM
It isn't some abstract concept to point to where the responsibility lies. As a civilization, we haven't evolved past a need for soldiers, any more than we've evolved past a need for cops. Sure, cops do shitty things sometimes, they shoot unarmed black kids and beat people up for no good reason, but when your house gets robbed, who do you call?

A soldier's role is to serve, not to kill, and not to die. If a soldier kills, he or she does so in service to their country. This is not some 'abstract' rationalization or apology, this is the role of a soldier in your society. I, like you, have a huge problem with the wars being fought right now, and I could get into all kinds of reasons why I believe they are illegitimate, obscene, tragic, disgraceful, etc., but I don't blame the soldier, any more than I would blame the bullet for a murder.

Also, you might want to consider that the demographic that is being unrelentingly pursued for recruitment by the military are teenage boys, usually from underprivileged corners of the country. If you're 18, with no prospects, not much chance for a college education, and a piss-poor public education under your belt, joining the army is a way out and a way up. You might not have any first-hand experience knowing what it's like to have no future, but you probably do know what it was like to be 18, assuming you're even there yet. You never made any mistakes when you were 18? You weren't naive or gullible enough to believe some line, or fall for some pitch when you were that young?

It's a complex issue, and I doubt you have the right to pass judgement on an entire group of people who you may consider 'fools' for calling themselves patriots, who believe that a citizen has a duty to his country, but you'd have to be a complete asshole to think that every soldier who signs up does it because they want to shoot people and get paid for it. Those assholes are called mercenaries, and there are plenty of them around these days for you to mouth off at.

Spandau, the simple fact that your only way to 'relate' to this issue is through some sitcom tells me more about you than you'd probably like. You have no way of knowing how privileged you are, because that is one of the luxuries the privileged enjoy- ignorance.

samsquanch, before I sit down to enjoy my evening ignorance
by Spandau Belly
Apr 29th, 2008
06:19:02 PM
Since you want to make all sorts of assumptions about my life, I guess I'll fill you in some actual facts. I did grow up in a shitty neighbourhood, most of the kids I went to school with as a kid are now in jail or live crappy lives with drug problems. However when I got to be a teenager my family was doing better and we got to move to a better nieghbourhood and I went to a nice yuppie high school. I have an okay life and with some prospects, but that's because I worked for them. I wasn't handed any dreamlife, but I won't complain.

I do know lots of guys who joined the army because they're macho assholes who heard it was a good party, a good pay check and you get good pussy for being a man in uniform. Maybe I'm being cynical or "ignorant" as you call it, but it feels like this is a good representation of the guys who join. And in a that way we agree, you acknowledge that the recruiting targets weakminded young guys and selling them a smooth line. But maybe they wouldn't fall for the smooth line if more people voiced that they thought it wasn't cool to be part of this war. And they are part of this war, the most important part.

I acknowledge to a certain degree that these soldiers are manipulated, but they're still adults with reason and free will and as far as I'm concerned accountable for their actions as much as the rest of us (and that includes political leaders).
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