http://tinyurl.com/3bj842

and yeah, I guess 2nd one is kinda old, but I saw it for the first time yesterday...

And I don't know how you can say the writers have painted themselves in the corner. The revelation last night of Ben's mission regarding Penny just opened up a whole new dimension to the entire series. It's going to take all 39 episodes to get us from the Cabin back to civilization, and to resolve the plight of the Oceanic Six, along with Ben versus Desmond. I don't see how it could be done in under 2 years.

Drifting offtopic, us fuckers now have a chance to appear in High School Musical 3...thanks to an ABC reality show this summer with Nick Lachey as host: http://tinyurl.com/4oax9y.

What I'm thinking tho... maybe Tori/Anders/Tyrol/Tigh are #9-12. That would make #7 the Unknown. And #7 is God's number in the Bible.

It says very clearly on line 82
that only corpses are allowed on the corpse cart

Invest wisely

This story ain't over until it's over

I just hope Ron Moore picked a single person to be the Final. Most of us probably won't agree with the choice, but I hope he spends sufficient time in the remaining episodes to justify this revelation, instead of trying to pull off some "shocking" plot twist with this reveal.

I'm left twitching

goddamn the advisary

LOST should have done an eppy like this with Claire after "Looking Glass 2".

And she's a stinky girl

And rarely bleed on the carpet

This writers strik thingy may have been a Good Thing(tm)?

I know Kung-Fu

Every year, I keep thinking about how much potential the mini-series had and how the show has never quite lived up to it. It is a very good thing that this is the last season.

Think about this: Outside of being dark and edgy, the show has taken four seasons to tell plot points the original series did in one (if you count the first episode of Galactica:1980 as the last episode of this show). Could have used an alien or two...

I'm goin in
If I'm not back in 20 mins
call the president
unless she's having a bad hair day...

Baltar's Beatitudes are a typical baby boomer's idea of religion. Talk about self-esteem babble. "You're all perfect and God loves you"? Baltar isn't Jesus, he's Mr. Rogers! Jesus didn't bring peace, but a sword (Mat 10:34), and he told his followers not that they _were_ perfect (because everybody sins against God, or why do you even need a Messiah to whip people into shape) but to _be_ perfect (Mat 5:48). (P.S. No, I am an atheist.) To strive, to seek and to obey, and not stop at half measures. A people who've been kicked up and down the galaxy like the BSG humans are ripe for fire and brimstone old-time religion, not the plump self-satisfied mouthings of 20th Century emotion porn. Just imagine: Why did the Cylons kill everyone? Because "God" was angry with humanity! And hey the Cylons worship Him too! Baltar's "love yourself" preaching suits him to a T, but how exactly is it going to motivate a ragged band of traumatized survivors to fight or otherwise propel the plot?

Anyway, we've seen some hints of Baltar disagreeing with Head Six, or at least acting independently of her and seemingly more creative than she is. You wonder how Baltar is even capable of disobeying anymore. Since the miniseries he's been conditioned to obedience. Everything from kinky mental sex to physical pain hammering him in line. Baltar does seem to have a flair for this religion stuff, though. Does "God" even care what Baltar preaches, as long as he has a following? Aside from the repeated evidence that Head Six is not purely in Baltar's head, she must be some kind of hologram that "only Baltar can see and hear" (thanks Quantum Leap). I have no idea why "God" wants worshippers, though. What's the endgame for that when they reach Earth?

Yes I am a Yank, so it took me awhile to get here

I think, in the end, it has to do with "hope".

DS9 is filled with flawed, imperfect characters who rise above the lots they are provided in life, whereas the BSG characters are all mired in the muck. DS9 had almost all of the same concepts as BSG (except for the billions of dead), including the relationship between faith and science, war, xenophobia, intolerance, enemies hidden amongst us, people being manipulated for unseen goals the loss of innocence during war, political intrigue and etc. But unlike the BSG crew, they constantly rose above themselves and tried to do the right thing.

The BSG Characters (both Human and Cylon) are petty, vain, stupid beings who deserve neither salvation or continued existence. The show depresses me greatly--and yet I keep tuning back in, like rubbernecking a five-year long auto accident. At this point, I really don't care who the final Cylon is, where Starbuck went, what period of Earth's history they arrive at, who or what the Cylon God is--I just want it to be over.

BSG is a very good show, but it does have it's failings. They have never successfully given us a feeling for what life is like on the various other ships in the fleet, shown how people live or work on those ships, found any real hint of other cultures or people (outside the temple last season), truly explained what a Cylon is and what their motivations are (I realize that is probably going to be answered by the end of the show), or where the Cylons have been for the last 40 years and where they found all the materials needed to create their vast armada. When the Mini Series premiered, there was all this vast potential in front of us--I was hoping for a show, kind of like Schindler's List, that was about surviving and hope in the face of adversity--one that was ultimately about rebuilding out of the ashes. The show has been dragging the same plot threads along for four seasons now and rather than pushing forward, it has been constantly turning around and losing it's way, restarting and getting back on track. They have lost 20, 000 people due to their stupidity. Maybe that is the point--how we as humans are always our worst enemies...how our failings make us repeat the same mistakes.

The show is hard to watch...but we keep turning in. The Soap-Opera aspects of the pained and forced Starbuck/Apollo relationship is not enough now. Adama, sheepish like a schoolboy around Roslin is beginning to drag. The wealth of secondary characters is very much underused, from Gaeta to Dualla to poor, jettisoned Callie. Instead, we are subjected to the ranting of the new Cylon characters, which is the dumbest Deus Ex Machina thing the show has done since, well New Caprica (come to think of it, they do this every year, don't they?). Bill Adama has known Saul Tigh for 30 years....were the Cylons already advanced to that point then? WTF? There are so many inconsistencies in this show it is mind-boggling.

Starbuck was right: They have been going the wrong way--now it is time for it to wrap up. I know I am in a minority in my opinion--it is undeniably a high-quality show--but for a show that could have gone anywhere, done anything--it is still a protracted version of the original show's single season.

Keep in mind, that per the Jupiter episode, the Five Serve the One Whose Name May Not Be Spoken.

I think, up til now, the InHead has only worn red (white when in the opera house). In any other show this sorta detail would be meaningless--in BSG, it means something....

He went to CapSix because he wants to understand how the Cylon mind/pyche works (now that he is one). I wouldn't read too much into Ellen's reappearance, since I think it was just an artifact of Sol's dealing with and processing his new situation.

When she says very matter of factly that she is an Angel Of God, I think we should take that as fact.

It was GREAT to see Baltar lifted up that way. His Gandhi moment, inspired/directed by, and then ultimately Supported by an Angel. And it was funny, too. ("I really want to stay down, I REALLY do....")

Baltar's Perfection Theology is either, as someone said, redefining what "perfect" means: God created you as you are, so stop worrying and questioning... Or, he is saying his followers ARE perfect--I don't think this last is likely: his "sermon" started with noting how flawed he himself is....

7:1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.

7:2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.

7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

7:5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

7:6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

ma y be better sources, other translations--this was just the first googly link... :-)

also appeared to be a revelatory moment for him, like he had just realized it.......

More interesting to me anyway, is that the one on the right seems a bit gray rather than white in his attire. Probably just a lighting thing they later fixed in post, but interesting anyway...

Baltar has expressed in the past that he would be glad to learn he was a cylon ("all my sins forgiven") and has now found/created his own absolution: "God Made Me What I Am. I am Worthy and Perfect" This is all to address his own guilt and shame, a path to redemption.

Tigh is struggling with NEWFOUND guilt--his sins are "worsened" by his new knowledge of himself as a cylon, and he cannot reconcile it. He is desperate for clarity and absolution, while wallowing in guilt and shame.

Both Gaius and Sol have let their own sense of shame/guilt/worthiness impede them, block them. Gaius has found a way past that, a more direct connection to God, and Sol is now seeking the same thing

And they are all trying to find Earth.

These blurred lines are hard to take

:P

http://www.youtu be.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww