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First!!
by jacksparness
Apr 24th, 2008
06:25:41 PM
Awesome news harry
Sweet!
by Edward_nygma
Apr 24th, 2008
06:25:50 PM
testing 1 2 3
by xega
Apr 24th, 2008
06:25:51 PM
test
YES!
by ABking
Apr 24th, 2008
06:25:57 PM
YES!
sad....
by jacksparness
Apr 24th, 2008
06:26:53 PM
sad that i think i've achieved a lifelong ambition by saying first.
Too bad they couldn't have Peter Jackson do it..
by googamooga
Apr 24th, 2008
06:27:29 PM
But Del Toro is definitely a suitable replacement.
Funny thing...
by ranting_dude
Apr 24th, 2008
06:27:51 PM
I heard this first on G4s Attack of the Show. Lame.
Excellent!
by mefrog
Apr 24th, 2008
06:27:58 PM
Is this still going to be two movies?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 24th, 2008
06:29:14 PM
If so, zzzzz...
About fricking time...
by dundundles
Apr 24th, 2008
06:30:36 PM
How long has he been surfing around this? Teasing us with maybes and might nots. About fucking time it's official... now on to that Tolkien estate suit, and then this movie's in the can. WOOHOO!!
Everything I hoped for
by Razorback
Apr 24th, 2008
06:32:21 PM
Said it for 3 years... and now it is a reality. I am very happy.
Three years sentence for Wesley Snipes
by SpencerTrilby
Apr 24th, 2008
06:32:49 PM
and HOORRAY for Guillermo!

Back with comments in a sec...

I wonder why Jackson ISN'T directing
by Thunderbolt Ross
Apr 24th, 2008
06:32:57 PM
Anyone know why? I think it was the right decision, as long as they give del Toro a long leash. At this point he's the better director anyway.
The Hobbit
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 24th, 2008
06:34:26 PM
doesn't lend itself to epic blockbuster filmmaking. It's a children's fairytale, unlike Lord of the Rings, which was epic mythology. Still, Pan's Labyrinth was a beautiful piece of filmmaking so consider me intrigued. As Harry says the second film is a minefield though - VERY interested to see what shape that will take.
dammit, I was hoping for Ratner
by BadMrWonka
Apr 24th, 2008
06:34:47 PM
say what you want about him, but he consistently makes well-shot, extremely watchable films that...oh wait, I was thinking of Steven Soderbergh
Now this is COOL NEWS...
by Rindain
Apr 24th, 2008
06:35:44 PM
Amazing. GDT is awesome. I can't wait to see what he, Jackson, and company pull off.
"one of the riskiest and toughest tasks...
by SpencerTrilby
Apr 24th, 2008
06:36:25 PM
...that any modern artist would undertake."

I'm all for hyperbolic statements Harry, but c'mon! Peter Jackson paved the way well enough.

Jackson didn't direct because...
by HEADGEEK
Apr 24th, 2008
06:38:22 PM
Peter is pursuing other artistic endeavors... right now that's LOVELY BONES and TINTIN... and last time I chatted with Peter - he had something like 14 irons in the fire - that were not works of Tolkein.
PLEASE Don't Let Guillermo Write This
by Mr. Winston
Apr 24th, 2008
06:39:42 PM
I think it's an inspired pick for director - better than Raimi - but please, Christ, don't let him near the script. Take his input, but keep him away from the computer. Del Toro's films are good in SPITE of his writing, not because of it. So just let him be a visionary and all will be well.
Can't wait for Smaug
by shitstorm23
Apr 24th, 2008
06:40:24 PM
It's tough to top the old animated Hobbit, because Smaug was pretty sick in that. But, I have faith in del Toro. Do they recast Bilbo? I was thinking of reading The Hobbit again, this help kick start it.
2nd film
by Mattyboy122
Apr 24th, 2008
06:40:36 PM
Is totally unnecessary. Just give us The Hobbit and we're good to go.
Who knows, maybe Del Toro can pull a Phantom Menace
by SpencerTrilby
Apr 24th, 2008
06:42:26 PM
/kidding
Glad Jackson isn't directing to be honest
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 24th, 2008
06:42:54 PM
LOTR suffers when rewatching - it's clear the movies suffer from being shot back to back, too much of a second unit feel to a lot of the scenes. There is a lot that is good in those films and a lot that is bad. Everything is relative of course, compared to Ratner and Bay films LOTR is a masterpiece.
selma blair as young legolas?
by sarsy
Apr 24th, 2008
06:42:54 PM
it could happen..
On that note
by Mattyboy122
Apr 24th, 2008
06:43:26 PM
I'd love to see Perlman get any sort of role in this flick; he's criminally underused (not that he isn't in a lot of stuff, but he rarely gets the big, high profile work he deserves).
300+ million gross in the U.S. apiece for HOBBIT films!
by ABking
Apr 24th, 2008
06:44:34 PM
These films are going to be the next coming of CHRIST films. 2 more LOTR movies and 3 more POTTERS:)
Will Wesley Snipes be out in time to see it?
by The Winged Doucheman
Apr 24th, 2008
06:46:00 PM
"Always bet on black."
Awesome.
by lex romero
Apr 24th, 2008
06:50:28 PM
Though does mean any projects Del Toro had planned (hellboy 3, mountains of madness, frankenstein) are put on hold for at least 3 years. Swings and roundabouts.
Will this movie be about walking too?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 24th, 2008
06:52:55 PM
Nothing is as epic and fantastic as midgets walking. When's the sequel to Willow go into production?
lex romero
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
06:53:10 PM
Yeah, guess we won't be seeing a Hellboy 3 with Del Toro. Oh well, there's always Ratner and Uwe Boll!
Two Films
by SpikedBuffy
Apr 24th, 2008
06:55:17 PM
There is easily enough stuff going on during the time period of the hobbit to make this into two great films. anyone who loves tolkiens work and has read any of the appendices ect. can agree. Just because it's not written in the actual book doesn't mean it shouldn't be made. Now where is my HBO 15 part miniseries of the Silmarillion so i can die a happy man :P
I trust him
by BrightEyes
Apr 24th, 2008
06:55:44 PM
but i'd rather have jackson
Well, as long as PJ is involved:
by SkidMarkedUndies
Apr 24th, 2008
06:56:39 PM
2 films would be a greedy stretch
by quantize
Apr 24th, 2008
06:59:05 PM
It's a simple story, told easily in one film
An excellent and logical choice.
by spidermanfreak20
Apr 24th, 2008
07:01:34 PM
Seriously. If not Peter there is only Del Toro to return us to the world of Middle Earth. Plus he will have an immense challenge in that his main character is an old hobbit not a kung fu vampire killer or fist handed creature from hell. It's Bilbo Baggins. Basically Ian Holm as shown in the first 7 minutes of Fellowship of the Ring. That sequence where Bilbo finds the one ring is going to hopefully stem into this movie. How will Guillermo make essentially a cool movie where you got Ian Holm as the main Hobbit? This film is essentially old wives tale or...The Golden Girls of LOTR. You got Gandalf (not as bad ass as he was in Rings) you got dwarves (Thorin is cool...but is he Gimli? Please cast John Hurt in this role) and in terms of villains. No Nazgul. No Ringwraiths. No Sauron. You got Gollum but his wow factor has warn off now. He wont be a surprise like in Towers just crazy and riddle like. Really the cool things in this film will come down to the trolls,smaug,and the war. Smaug is what will save this picture I think. Conceptualizing THE DRAGON TO END ALL DRAGONS. He has to be the King Kong of Dragons in a sense. No Eragon nonsense. You gotta believe the fear in Bilbo's eyes and the Shire. This will be a far greater challenge with LOTR as the blackest of shadows. How do you make Ringers care especially since Jackson isn't directing and it's not really a reunion just a re-entrance into the world. But it matters not. I have the upmost of faith in Guillermo Del Toro. And you all do too. His choice is a logical and interesting one. And this film will be immense pressure. No wise cracking cigar chewing scene stealing characters in this one. If anything you need to do A LOT of reinvention for this while staying true to the source. It cant be the animated version brought to life. But color me relieved Guillermo is involved with Jackson and crew. This will be a huge under taking.
LOL at Pops Freshemeyer
by DigitalBeachWar
Apr 24th, 2008
07:03:02 PM
That's fucking funny!
Hey Harry, do you realize that...
by KnightShift
Apr 24th, 2008
07:03:10 PM
...it's now been ten years since it was first announced on AICN that Peter Jackson was making The Lord of the Rings? And here we are a decade later, announcing that Guillermo del Toro is directing The Hobbit. Almost like things come perfectly full circle, eh? :-)
Can't fucking wait
by Bob of the Shire
Apr 24th, 2008
07:05:57 PM
With Weta's fantastic art direction, PJ's experience, and the best source material of all time, Del Toro should his this out of the fucking park. The 00's are shaping up to be one of the best decades of geek cinema ever.
I don't care for Del Toro's aesthetic
by Raymar
Apr 24th, 2008
07:08:34 PM
I hope at least that he keeps the same feel that Jackson's movies had. Raimi felt like a better match.
Guillermo is bipolar
by Gwai Lo
Apr 24th, 2008
07:10:05 PM
Not literally bipolar, but he has two distinct types of movies that he makes. His lower budget films set in Spain: Cronos, The Devil's Backbone, Pan's Labyrinth. Spooky, intimate stories that are elevated by Spain's Old World charm. Well crafted on almost every level. Then there are his Hollywood studio movies: Mimic, Blade II, Hellboy, that maintain the aspects of technical craft but ramp up the cheesiness and ease off on the good storytelling. I still enjoy his studio movies but they don't even compare with his other stuff, it's like he doesn't take them seriously. Hellboy II may prove me wrong, but the trailers make it look like more of the same. Hellboy is a 7/10 movie, Blade II and Mimic less than that, and this is a guy who should be knocking out 9's and 10's each time no problem. So I hope that the Hobbit will represent the best of both worlds, and that he is given complete free reign over what he wants to do. That may be in fact what is missing from his Hollywood endeavors, Mimic has studio meddling written all over it. I think he is on par with Peter Jackson so I have no doubt that he will be able to bring the same level of quality. Let's hope he blows it out of the water.
Fuck Raimi
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
07:12:01 PM
Raimi has officially gone mad.
Just give us one fucking movie
by Liberty Valance
Apr 24th, 2008
07:12:07 PM
This contrived "bridge" film sounds like nothing more than a shameless cash-grab clusterfuck. A standalone 3-hour "Hobbit" has the potential to be a masterpiece. I don't understand how PJ & Co could be so insanely faithful to the original novels, then completely disgrace them with an entire film of made-up exposition we don't need. Can't wait for "The Hobbit," but my expectations for the 2nd film are extremely low.
It cant be worse then PJ's LOTR shitfest.....
by travis-dane
Apr 24th, 2008
07:12:18 PM
at least del Toro knows how to direct a action sequence.....
Fuck LOTRs!
by LordEnigma
Apr 24th, 2008
07:13:33 PM
Totally fucking forgotten to the winds of times :D! WOOOOOOO!!!
On Frodo and Battle of Five Armies
by spidermanfreak20
Apr 24th, 2008
07:16:28 PM
The epic battle of five armies at the end of this movie isn't going to be as dire in stakes as the Battles in LOTR. Unlike Frodo who is damaged by the events in Rings Bilbo is excited really. He writes a book and wants to travel more. This really is more adventure story and not horror. Sure people of importance die. But it doesn't weigh on Bilbo heavily. He is offered riches but refuses most. It's a strange thing to have people come in on this story since they will expecting Bilbo to be Frodo this time out. It's kind of like making an Indiana Jones movie with Henry Jones and his old pals. Or better put. Like watching Crystal Skull version of Indiana Jones (older,wiser,tired) for the first and only time instead of Raiders Indy. Creates a challenge.
Gwai Lo
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
07:17:05 PM
Well put. Don't forget The Orphanage.
So...
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
07:22:10 PM
Are these movies going to be filmed back to back?
Before the 2010 Ice Age???
by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollyw ood
Apr 24th, 2008
07:22:16 PM
I just watched the LOTR extended edition trilogy again the other weak. GREATEST EPIC MOVIE EVER CREATED. I could honestly sit through hours & hours more of it... The Two Towers used to be my favourite, but now over time I have come to appreciate the Return of the King. Peter Jackon is an absolute genius putting together this scope of work, bringing to life these amazing characters & creating a mind blowing middle earth. I have alot of respect for Guillermo Del Toro after Pans Labyinth; that was the movie that made me believe Del Toro could be the right man for the job. I just hope he works very closely with Peter Jackson & Fran Walsh in the preliminary conceptial design & come up with some grand ideas. I have faith in Del Toro, he knows how to focus on certain aspects of human emotion & make powerful moments on the big screen. This won't just be a flat childrens tail, this will be a dark, engrossing & spectacular story for all ages. Bring it on!!!
The Dragon Smaug
by DoctorBotanus
Apr 24th, 2008
07:22:30 PM
is one of the Gargoyle Gang's retinue of monsters! We will prevail against you all! Stupid Earthlings! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
The Next Best Choice
by sambrook
Apr 24th, 2008
07:24:02 PM
I'm so happy that it's finally been confirmed. Del Toro announcing all these new projects - awesome though they sound - was starting to get me worried that they'd have to look elsewhere for a Hobbit director. Don't get me wrong, Raimi can make great films but his tone isn't right for this. Peter Weir would have been a damn good choice but can you imagine his films having the same vibrancy as LOTR? Would Weir's The Two Towers open with a flashback of Khazad-Dum, only to have the camera plunge down the abyss with Gandalf? And I'm glad Jackson, Boyens and Walsh look set to be writing. They did an incredible job of adapting the source material and Tolkien speech patterns into something cinematic that felt authentic and natural. Jackson doing The Hobbit would be perfect but this is a very, very good substitute.

And now they've already both been mention can we put a ban on a) anyone mentioning the walking criticism from Clerks II, either as their own or a deliberate quote? It's as lame and predictable as a Dalek/stairs joke in a Doctor Who talkback; and b) stop bitching that "The Hobbit shouldn't be split into two films!" - it's not being split. The second film is a film spanning and bridging the sixty years between The Hobbit and Fellowship to show how that seemingly innocent adventure evolved into the darkness that was to come. All from existing Tolkien material that just needs adapting into a narrative form. Read the stories (this was been said since December when it was first announced) before fanboy bitching about something that isn't happening.

Anyone else notice the 2010/2011 release dates are now 2011/2012? Guess they can squeeze in a tenth anniversary re-release of the trilogy at the same time!

would prefered mountains of madness
by darth rod
Apr 24th, 2008
07:25:32 PM
That truly would kick ass, instead we get the Hobbit , having said that Smaug in Guillermo's hands is the shining beacon of this project. The writers is I think the key part, is Guillermo adapting? Fran and Phillippa and Peter involved on the script? The bridge movie sounds awful, just going for the money. The way the hobbit and Lord and bridged in the novels is perfect, they are linked via Bilbo, The Hobbit is Bilbo's tale and we start Lord like a Hobbit sequel with Bilbo and his world to then expand to a much grander tale. Without Bilbo as the main guy for Hobbit 2 What are they gonna fill 3 hours without a clear heroic arc?
FUCKIN' A!
by LaserPants
Apr 24th, 2008
07:26:29 PM
Del Toro is a much MUCH better director than Peter "Hubris" Jackson could ever hope to being (for proof of this see the epic failure of KING LONG). This is good news. Fuck, this is GREAT news. LOTR was great, but Del Toro is going to craft a masterpiece.
He is qualified
by Silverglade
Apr 24th, 2008
07:27:29 PM
Check out his films, he knows how to direct. His biggest challenge will be to capture the feel and pacing of the Jackson trilogy so fans will connect with it, regardless of Hobbit's actual plot which I am sure will be handled with care.
Oh, Wait, Its Still Gonna Be TWO Movies?!
by LaserPants
Apr 24th, 2008
07:27:35 PM
WHY?! Oh I know why. MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY! MONAAAAAAY!!!
I actually liked The Hobbit.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 24th, 2008
07:31:50 PM
Doesn't mean I'm all that excited about it being turned into a movie. It's a good kid's book, and I'm interested in seeing what Benecio Del Toro does with it. Just can't get excited though after all 87 hours or whatever of LOTR. I really liked Fellowship of the Ring, but once Boromir is killed the series is all downhill for me. Guess I just couldn't get into each MOST EPIC GREATEST BATTLE EVER!, and I definitely couldn't get into Aragorn going to get the Scrubbing Bubble ghosts to come save the day and clean the battlefield like they would a bathroom.
And before anybody cries...
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 24th, 2008
07:32:18 PM
The Benecio Del Toro thing was a joke.
If they get...
by NubtheSquirrel
Apr 24th, 2008
07:34:01 PM
Ian McKellan to come back as Gandalf, I am definitely in. They would also have to get Ian Holm as Bilbo, Orando Bloom would have to come back in a small role as Legolas (he's part of the wood elves that capture the dwarves in Mirkwood) and John Rhys Davis to come back, not as Gimli but as Gimli's father, Gloin who is one of the twelve dwarves to travel on this quest. If they bring back all of these guys for this movie, I will be damn pleased. Can't wait to see Smaug! Can't wait to see the battle of five armies! Cannot wait for this movie! Del Toro is the perfect choice for this movie. I wonder if he will use the same look that Jackson and WETA established with the first three or will he go for a slightly different look, closer to Pan's Labyrinth. And yes, Ron Perlman as the voice of Smaug would be inspired casting.
And the LOTR...
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
07:35:23 PM
Extended, Extended, Extended versions!
This should be great + Snipes' sentence
by kevred
Apr 24th, 2008
07:35:42 PM
When you really look at del Toro's recent work and compare it to the LOTR trilogy, I can't think of anyone offhand who's a better fit for this (except perhaps if Cuaron would do it in Prisoner of Azkaban-style). Can't see how it won't be excellent fun, especially with some returning cast members.

Since Snipes was mentioned above, I'll add my $.02. Sure, maybe they were wanting to "make an example" out of him to dissuade others, but 3 years for misdemeanors? And how many *white* white-collar criminals are walking around free every day, having worked out sweet deals or skated altogether?

The law's the law, but in this age of widespread corporate crime, to single out a prominent black artist for this kind of treatment doesn't strike me as random chance.

Smaug
by Herb West
Apr 24th, 2008
07:37:03 PM
What's a Smaug?
Actually, I'd LOVE it for Ratner to direct it
by Funketeer
Apr 24th, 2008
07:38:57 PM
The 4 years of bitching I could read here would be far more entertaining than any 3 hour movie.
good news for hobbit fans...
by Frank Black
Apr 24th, 2008
07:41:04 PM
...bad news for Del Toro fans because he will be focused on this for the next 4 years and a lot of projects he has been considering won't get made. Aside from that, free Wesley Snipes!
I'll be damned.
by The Real McClane
Apr 24th, 2008
07:42:37 PM
Good for him, man. This'll be cool.
So it'll be 60 years of Aragorn/Thorongil,
by Fred
Apr 24th, 2008
07:45:08 PM
dwarves awakening the Balrog, Saruman going bad, Theodens father returning from Minas Tirith to Rohan, what else?
?
by AllieJamison
Apr 24th, 2008
07:48:59 PM
I'm excited to see what he will do with it. And I'm kinda happy to hear that Jackson pursue other projects. Somehow this article reminded me of my first visits at aicn when I'd read those passionate and honest reports, reviews and articles which almost feel like written speeches that made me come back again and again... Nice.

by AllieJamison
Apr 24th, 2008
07:49:42 PM
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I am totally down with him as director.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Apr 24th, 2008
07:53:18 PM
Harry I feel your excitement.

And did you get that email about the Uwe Boll petition?? You need to post that on this site.
Just make it a trifecta of Ian's...
by drewlicious
Apr 24th, 2008
07:54:22 PM
Ian McKellan back as Gandalf. Ian Holm back as Bilbo. And Ian McShane as Smaug the dragon. He can call Bilbo a cocksucker Smaug will have to be one badass dragon to keep our attention, though. Return of the King pretty much took those things to the limits.
The main hope here is...
by S.Lowrey
Apr 24th, 2008
07:55:27 PM
No more step printing! Seriously, it looks like daytime tv bullshit (or worse, Battlefield Earth) The only person who should be allowed to use this technique is Wong Kar Wai. I really do hope this process gets retired from the series (I was more than a little disappointed when it showed up in King Kong...)
all I remeber for the link film is Aragorn burning down some pir
by lavatory love machine
Apr 24th, 2008
08:02:23 PM
Yay for nepotism!!!
by Kid Idioteque
Apr 24th, 2008
08:06:13 PM
hehe
Can't wait! Although movie 2 may be deal breaker...
by kirttrik
Apr 24th, 2008
08:13:00 PM
OHHHH YEAH! THAT'S AWESOME!
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Apr 24th, 2008
08:14:10 PM
Who should play Bilbo?
by jason h
Apr 24th, 2008
08:19:33 PM
I vote for Michael Angarano. He's a good actor, he looks like a hobbit, and I think a pretty good match to Ian Holm too.
They should have gotten The Rat
by welsh12uk
Apr 24th, 2008
08:23:00 PM
to direct. You know you wanted it...I'm just sayin
FUCK NEW LINE
by SpiceMonkey27
Apr 24th, 2008
08:23:58 PM
Peter jackson should be the only one making these movies
If it's going to be anyone but Jackson...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 24th, 2008
08:25:02 PM
...it might as well be Del Toro. He's got the chops - he can craft scenes of intelligent, adult drama as well as memorable moments of genuine creepiness. I happen to think that Jackson has a better sense of epic vision and emotional detail...but Del Toro is a definite runner-up.

It will be interesting to see what kind of film(s) Del Toro can make while playing in the wonderful sandbox built by Jackson & Co.

That being said, the only thing that makes me nervous about this is the idea behind the proposed second film. There is no novel or set framework from which to draw upon here. It will take a tremendous amount of effort to craft a film (that will appeal to the average viewer) out of the various segments of Tolkien's overall work. Whoever is assigned this task has certainly got their work cut out for them.

Well, here's to another adventure in Middle Earth. Here's to a smaller, more light-hearted journey. Here's to the return of Gandalf the Grey (Ian McKellan). Here's to finally seeing Smaug on the big screen.

And here's to more HOBBIT Talkbacks on AICN!!!

Ian Holm?
by Reverend Toast
Apr 24th, 2008
08:26:56 PM
I just hope they get Ian Holm to play Bilbo again. That man is a legend, and he NEEDS to be put center stage in a huge move at least once in his career. I am sure he could pull off the Look, after all they already filmed him finding the ring, and he seems to age well. He practically looks the same as he did in the 5th element and A Life Less Ordinary. Well, he has aged since Alien, but that movie is 30 years old.
An excellent choice of director...
by Shut the Fuck up Donny
Apr 24th, 2008
08:28:07 PM
fat, bearded, and and an odd accent. It's Peter II! I keed I keed. After seeing Pan's Labrynth, I know Del Toro has the ability. Others are talking about Smaug, but I'll be interested in seeing how he does the discovery of the ring/riddles with Gollum: Mixing levity with paranoia in a dark, closed-in area.
The reminds me of Jaws II
by Orionsangels
Apr 24th, 2008
08:28:55 PM
Spielberg didn't direct it but he produced it.
Ain't It old Nooz
by AshesOfDonnie
Apr 24th, 2008
08:30:02 PM
LA Times had this before AICN. What the fuck!! As I soon as i saw that i came here to look for a talkback and nothing. an hour later BAM its big news here.
MARTIN FREEMAN FOR YOUNG BILBO!
by oh_riginal
Apr 24th, 2008
08:31:28 PM
I mean, if the character is to be recast, then that would be my pick.
Plot of Hobbit 2
by Horned One
Apr 24th, 2008
08:37:59 PM
They could always have the second movie revolve around the plot that was hinted at in the hobbit where Gandalf and the White Council drove the necromancer (who we know to be Sauron) out of his lair and into Mordor. The story is vague enough so that they could bring in all sorts of cool characters, or use characters that were omitted from the other films, like Elrond's sons.
IF NOT IAN DEFANTLY MARTIN
by Redfive!
Apr 24th, 2008
08:44:22 PM
Freeman,he reminds me more of Bilbo more then Holme actually and I cant wait for Gollum in the cave.
"Directing THE HOBBIT" is code for "busting Wesley out to do BLA
by Vern
Apr 24th, 2008
08:57:38 PM
Great news, I hope "directing THE HOBBIT" goes well, I am very excited for him to be "directing THE HOBBIT."

Seriously though congratulations to Del Toro. I can't think of anybody who could do a better job and I'm sure this is what he wants to do with his life. But I do hope he whips those out in a couple months so he can get back to his true mission of making movies like PAN'S LABYRINTH that only he could make. I mean I could see Cuaron or Jackson doing THE HOBBIT but I can't see anybody besides Del Toro doing most of his other movies.

Also, he should solemnly swear to remain crazy and not abandon his roots like, say, Sam Raimi kind of seems to have since SPIDER-MAN. Use that clout to go back and do an even better job of being Guillermo Del Toro, instead of just turning into another Hollywood guy.

As a postscript, I ask that my fellow talkbackers please don't attempt to burn me at the stake like last time. I'm down with hobbits I'm just bummed we're gonna have to wait 3-5 years to get a non-Hobbit Guillermo Del Toro movie. I guess the good news is Wesley will be out by then. Maybe Del Toro's just killing time until then.

Some Hot Chick Kissing Harry & Moriarty's Ass On The Youtube
by Sgt Rock
Apr 24th, 2008
09:02:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =-AINTlSOUOk Probably just wants a part in one of their movies. Nonetheless, I shall have her! As for GDT directing HOBBITT...while I think he's one talented muchacho, he will have to do the finest work of his career to live up to LOTR. I have my doubts...
RESEARCH SOME TOLKIEN
by SpikedBuffy
Apr 24th, 2008
09:05:23 PM
why is everyone worried about this second movie? there is soo much shit not in the book that's going on during the time period that it takes place and after it ends. I don't see how any tolkien fan could be upset about it
Bilbo's age
by FailureAtTheCave
Apr 24th, 2008
09:06:54 PM
Bilbo is 50 years old in 'The Hobbit', therefore Ian Holm is WAY too old to play him. In LOTR 69 year-old Ian Holm played 111 year old Bilbo. 19 year-old Elijah Wood played 33 year-old Frodo. (Frodo should have been 50 in it, but PJ elected not to have 17 years pass during the first half hour of Fellowship... fair enough.) Anyways the model seems to be the age of the human actor is roughly 60% of the age of the Hobbit character. This translates to 50 year old Bilbo should be played by someone approximately 30. Let it be Tim Canterbury... 'The Canterbury Tales' (of Chaucer... and Shakespeare)
Not created by Tolkien
by Kovac
Apr 24th, 2008
09:15:09 PM
I'm slightly concerned about this second film. It is one thing to adapt the stories written by Tolkien for film, but to actively create a whole new bridging story between The Hobbit and lotr? That is pretty darn presumptuous. I can't think of anyone that I would want to see writing such a screenplay. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but didnt Del Toro say that he hasn't even read lotr? That he tried but couldnt finish it. Not the best credentials for someone who is going to be turning the hobbit into two films.
Step printing isn't bad
by eggart
Apr 24th, 2008
09:28:50 PM
It's only annoying when used in post to try and create genuine slow motion shots from normal speed footage. Which looks retarded. I don't mind it's use in general (works better in the cinema than on video, I think), but it sure does rub some people the wrong way.
GOOD CHOICE
by BurgerTime
Apr 24th, 2008
09:35:37 PM
The perfect choice given his track record. And it'll breathe new life into the series.
Del Torro's going to need...
by eggart
Apr 24th, 2008
09:37:12 PM
...about a billion new notebooks also. Suppliers of quality art supplies take note.
spidermanfreak20
by Darth Dean
Apr 24th, 2008
09:39:35 PM
Nazgul are stalking the Shire during the Hobbit and the Rangers are actively driving them away and trying to protect it. Gandalf and Saruman attack the Nazgul fort of Dol Guldor also short after THE HOBBIT.
If anyone wants to see the new Dark Knight poster...
by McFly in the Ointment
Apr 24th, 2008
09:41:44 PM
Go to SuperHeroHype.com. Or, wait til it shows up on this site in two days. McFly
The second film will be better than the Hobbit
by sith_rising
Apr 24th, 2008
09:42:18 PM
I said it first!
SMAUG DRAGON!!! The dragon of all dragons!!
by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollyw ood
Apr 24th, 2008
09:49:19 PM
I freaken can't wait to see the epic Fire and Water chapter of the hobbit where Smaug burns down Esgaroth... This will be the best part of the movie. The dragon flying around, burninating the thatched roof cottages!!! THIS IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT PEOPLES YEAH!!! The biggest, bad ass dragon distroying a city with his tail & fire breath burninating everything!!!
HELL FUCKING YES
by Gungan Slayer
Apr 24th, 2008
09:54:22 PM
Thanking goodness it's now official! HELL YEAH BITCHES
First!!!
by thebearovingian
Apr 24th, 2008
09:59:17 PM
I would've been first but I've been paralyzed for the past 5 hours by the amazingness of this awesomely cool news! My jaw is still on the floor! Luckily, my insanely jumbomongous geek erection caught my jaw and prevented it from becoming lodged deep within the Earth's crust. Had it made its way into the fiery magma core of the Earth, the resulting nuclear-cosmic explosion would have destroyed our planet. Damn you, Del Toro!

Guillermo Del Toro, the Spanish Michael Moore (looks wise). Just put a ballcap on him.

DAMMIT NO!! I want PETER JACKSON to direct!!!
by Drath
Apr 24th, 2008
10:00:26 PM
What the fuck was the point of working anything out with Jackson if not to have him direct this? What the fuck, he can't put Tin fucking Tin off for a few years? I don't want Del Toro to do it, I want it to be in step with the LOTR movies. Pearlman as Smaug? Fuck NO! I don't care if that is a joke from a lame Toro groupie! STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!
I like the way Del Toro talks
by Orionsangels
Apr 24th, 2008
10:04:14 PM
his soft raspy voice and accent.
link movie: Doesn't the Hobbit link the Hobbit to Lord of the R
by MJAYACE
Apr 24th, 2008
10:21:20 PM
Pure money maker but anyway should be fun, even if its entirely bogus and made up just for shits and grins. I liked Pans Lab but didn't think Hellboy was that great, hope GDT does a good job though.
4 YEARS? ...HELL YES!!!
by Unimaginative_Moneyhungry_Hollyw ood
Apr 24th, 2008
10:26:20 PM
I am really glad they are taking their time & not rushing it. Hollywood (especially crappy FOX) have been rushing films; giving them tight budgets with unrealistic deadlines. The result is usually a mess, the director sacrificing thought out concepts for rushed impulsive decisions that look cheap, ruin the flow of the movie or just total lack insiration & imagination altogether. For example, War of the Worlds, AVP, Star Wars Episode 1... and most other Fox movies released . I reckon 4 years is awesome. They can take their time & do it properly. They have time to develop good ideas properly, time to create fantastic sets, time to make Smaug the most awesome CGI Dragon... Tolkien’s work requires an epic scope & a decent time allowance. Tolkien didn’t just write his books in a year, he spent his life-time devoted to creating the characters, history, culture of middle earth & it's occupants. 4 years development is a good thing, it is what the Hobbit deserves!!!
Will he dump weight like Jackson?
by Stormwatcher
Apr 24th, 2008
10:37:27 PM
Good news! Foods in short supply these days.
Pearlman IS Smaugh
by Stormwatcher
Apr 24th, 2008
10:38:09 PM
No doubt. Good call. Just like he's Hellboy, no other can do it.
GREAT choice (but not so sure about a 2d movie)
by Valaquenta
Apr 24th, 2008
10:39:31 PM
I'm really looking forward to G. del Toro's take on the Hobbit, but a bridging moving not founded on a completed Tolkien work invites dark, dark trouble. And money, money, money, so New Line doesn't give a fig for purists. (Plus it needs an extra $100 Mil to pay Jackson whatever they settled for.) But let's look beyond the Hobbit films. Already Del Toro has imagination, vision, craftsmanship and soul. A chance to work with Jackson, WETA, & co. will allow him to grow into an amazing director. Mark These Words: Hobbit 1 will be great, Hobbit 2 disappoint, but GDT's post Hobbit work will astonish. Me voy.
Smaug
by iago76
Apr 24th, 2008
10:56:19 PM
Forget Perlman. Go straight for Tom Waits as Smaug.
AWESOME!
by Series7
Apr 24th, 2008
10:58:35 PM
Now when is Eli Roth going to announce Hostel 3?
Tolkien-- Si! Lovecraft-- No?
by Samuel Vimes
Apr 24th, 2008
11:02:21 PM
Glad to hear they made this official; GDT's past work with CRONOS, DEVIL'S BACKBONE and PAN'S LABYRINTH bodes well for him adapting what was basically Tolkien's take on a "Fairy Tale". Now to wait for confirmation that 'Big Red' himself will be voicing Smaug...

As for THE MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS: yeah, I hope that GDT will get do one after HOBBITs I&II. Though I think he'll probably want to take a break and do something more "original" as a next project--- ie, something he wrote and developed himself, like those movies mentioned above--- after playing with Mike Mignola's and Tolkien's "properties" all these years. Which itself wouldn't be a bad thing, given those films imo are the best in GDT's catalog.


So for GDT and Miskatonic U and the Old Ones and Cthluhu: SUO TEMPORE...
But will Del Toro just "Go along to Get Along"?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 24th, 2008
11:11:02 PM
From the Variety article .. "Though no screenplay deal’s been set, it’s expected that the “LOTR” scripting team of Jackson, Walsh and Philippa Boyens will collaborate with Del Toro."

I agree with Vern, in a way. I lover "Pan's Labyrinth". But I was very disappointed with Hellboy. Del Toro is amazing, but he does seem to fund his real movies, the ones he has passion for, by just quietly getting along with whatever boneheaded demands the Hollywood people he works with want. I don't fault him for that, but for some reason I don't expect him to fight really hard to keep Dwarf Tossing jokes out of THE HOBBIT, if Peter Jackson really wants them there. Hopefully Jackson will be less involved in the writing of this than he was for the Trilogy. Actually, since Jackson personally has no real interest in Tolkien or his works, I pray that that is what will happen, that it will be a Del Toro, Walsh, and Boyens collaboration, and that Jackson is kept well away from it. Oh, but he'll want to be in on the special effects, won't he. (sigh). Well, with Del Toro directing, maybe there won't be any ridiculously retarded and sloppy moments like the sudden fall of night in the woods while being chased by Ringwraiths in FELLOWSHIP.
IT'S A BIPOLAR TALKBACK!!!
by DucksNRoses
Apr 24th, 2008
11:14:48 PM
Some are saying the 2nd movie is the brige to LOTR, and others are talking about the Hobbit being split into two movies. The latter appears to be the case, if you read the correction note at the end of this article: http://tinyurl.com/55dqal ... The text at the end of the article says: "Please note that this version DELETES INCORRECT reference to second movie spanning time between "Hobbit" and "Rings"; New Line now says movies are based on book only."
11:11:02 PM
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 24th, 2008
11:16:01 PM
Right on time...
TOO SOON!!!
by YotzVonFrelnik
Apr 24th, 2008
11:16:22 PM
Sorry. Hadn't had one of those in a while.
But who will Doug Jones play???
by TheGhostWhoLurks
Apr 24th, 2008
11:16:30 PM
Gollum's taken... so I'm guessing he'll play the Mirkwood spiders, copied and pasted a couple of dozen times.

Good news for the LOTR series, though!

Thank you, Ducks and Roses ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 24th, 2008
11:23:52 PM
But that correction, about the two movies being The Hobbit split in half (with stuff not shown in the book incorporated into both films, I presume) it's pretty much means that the Jacksonized vision is the one Del Toro will be slave to. It'll probably a less sloppy version of a Jackson movie, but it will still be a Jackson movie. Jackson fans rejoice. Tolkien fans, grit your teeth and expect the Dwarf Tossing nonsense.
best f**king news
by gdeo
Apr 24th, 2008
11:25:51 PM
best man for the job!!!
I have a boner from the GDT announcement...
by Ravetin
Apr 24th, 2008
11:34:18 PM
...but blue balls from the "bridge" announcement. What the fuck?
Fuckin' Hobbits
by Jobacca
Apr 24th, 2008
11:38:31 PM
Randal Graves said it best...."Oh, I'm crazy? Those fuckin' hobbit movies were boring as hell. All it was, was a bunch of people walking, three movies of people walking to a fucking volcano." This news actually makes me sad...I was looking fwd. to more Hellboy and Madness and whatever else Del Toro had cooking. Now one of the best directors in the business is going to be tied up in Hobbit hell for the next fucking decade. Oh, I'm crazy? Those fuckin' hobbit movies were boring as hell. All it was, was a bunch of people walking, three movies of people walking to a fucking volcano. Tolkien is the ultimate hack-he had material for about one good book and somehow he managed to stretch it out into 4 and make a career out of it.
The Hell???
by Jobacca
Apr 24th, 2008
11:41:29 PM
Dont know why my post got messed up...maybe talking smack about the gay ass Hobbits is enough to make even the internet cry. Anyway,I went on to say that Tolkein was the ultimate hack-he had material for about one good book that he somehow managed to stretch into 4 and make a career out of. You know what would have made those Jackson movies watchable? An editor. And maybe a big green tiger and Orko.
What about his ACCORDING TO JIM film?
by Uncle Stan
Apr 24th, 2008
11:50:56 PM
Casting
by ZarquonSaves
Apr 24th, 2008
11:52:32 PM
It is unfortunate that Ian Holm is just too old to do this movie (even if he could be young-ified, there's no way he's going to shoot a movie like this) They better get all the actors from LOTR to reprise their roles here -- McKellen a must, and Weaving as well. A background cameo of Legolas in Mirkwood would be cool, too. Now, give me Jason Isaacs as Thranduil and I'm a happy man. On the note of Perlman, I thought Beorn might be a good choice -- but the voice of Smaug -- that's damn near inspired!
Now just make it before something else comes up
by William Ashbless
Apr 24th, 2008
11:53:04 PM
GDT is awesome. This movie will be awesome. Awesome all around. It has been a good day. I can sleep peacefully tonight,
Great, now I can skip the Hobbit
by runfoodrun
Apr 24th, 2008
11:54:21 PM
Too many good films coming out to waste time with anything GDT is involved with!
I realize I'm being a TROLL,btw...
by Jobacca
Apr 24th, 2008
11:55:06 PM
I JUST DONT FUCKING GET IT!!! Why do you people worship at the cock of Tolkein? Yeah,I understand folks like stories about Dragons and Wizards and Elves and shit but theres so much better out there. Read The Chronicles of Prydain by Alexander or even the Narnia books if you want magic/fantasy. Tolkein just wasnt my cup of tea folks.
El Hobbito es poco...
by BurnHollywood
Apr 25th, 2008
12:05:46 AM
Hellchico es grande!
Lame. they should of waited and let Jackson direct.
by messi
Apr 25th, 2008
12:23:58 AM
Failed. It won't feel the same and won't seague properly.
HMMMMM
by THE KNIGHT
Apr 25th, 2008
12:32:53 AM
I'm happy and excited to see what del toro will bring to the screen, but a part of me is sad PJ won't direct.

I'm sure he'll oversee a helluva lot as exec producer though.

i have a feeling i'll like Del Torro's take better than Jacksons
by hegele
Apr 25th, 2008
12:50:15 AM
i think Jackson is a bit overrated as a storyteller.
One question
by Aphex Twin
Apr 25th, 2008
12:58:22 AM
Will they use that awesome folk guitar soundtrack they used on the cartoon version? *Music plays as Bilbo thoughfully looks out the window*
OH FUCK YESSS.
by elvenblade
Apr 25th, 2008
01:00:40 AM
It's a damn shame Petey isn't directing himself, but this is the best movie news so far this year. I'm sure Jackson's executive producing coupled with Weta's magic can only help Del Toro... I wonder if they'll have anything to show at Comic-Con...
Jobacca....
by GavinVanDraven
Apr 25th, 2008
01:06:24 AM
you see, itsa won wring to wrule dem awl. itsa ciwrcal so itsa wround not wrike a twiangle it hasa cowrna. no itsa ciwrcal um, you refer the black cauldron? i dont think that story is anywhere near as good as LOTR. maybe better than eragon tho. didnt the cartoon have some small and furry in some cleavage? i cant really remember... ah well. and narnia panders to the christian crowd. i groaned every time i heared them mention sons and daughters of adam and eve. the passion of the lion scene was a little much for me. maybe i should have read the books first before going into the theater eh? what the fuck is this? sunday school?
so you mean....
by GavinVanDraven
Apr 25th, 2008
01:07:34 AM
no more shitty direct to dvd movies from snipes for the next 3 years? yay! now if only seagal would drop off the planet.
Del Toro
by GavinVanDraven
Apr 25th, 2008
01:11:15 AM
inspired choice for director. we should all have faith in that. PJ is still producing and writing it right? and dont producers stand around and keep the director in check anyhow? is weta still involved? principal cast still on board? same art department? i dont see how this could fail. ron pearlman is the dragon. PLEASE liam neeson for bard the bowman!
Messi.. WORST NEWS EVER!!
by cornholiosbungholio
Apr 25th, 2008
01:18:39 AM
You are the only one I agree with. I saw Hellboy and while Ron was great, the movie wasn't. Middle Earth needs Peter Jackson, not anyone else. No idea what Del Toro will churn out but it sure as hell wont be as great as what PJ could have done. This is the worst news this year.
Del Toro IS Peter Jackson
by Reverend Toast
Apr 25th, 2008
01:43:40 AM
Seriously, have you seen either of their early films? They both have very similar styles, ideas, and use of visuals. If Peter Jackson isn't going to direct this, I think the most logical choice to follow his lead would be Del Toro. Some of Del Toro's movies haven't been great, but have you seriously seen some of Peter Jackson's early works? (NOTE: I love the frighteners[guilty pleasure], but can you seriously look at the frighteners or heavenly creatures, and then look at Lord of the Rings and be able to identify them as having the same director? Same goes for Hellboy and Pans Labyrinth.
Meh. I hoped for MIMIC - PART FOUR...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Apr 25th, 2008
02:05:01 AM
...but this maybe kinda good, too. Maybe.
ASPECT RATIO??? 2:35:1
by THE KNIGHT
Apr 25th, 2008
02:05:23 AM
will Del Toro finally shoot in scope? Will Lesnie photograph?
The one big question remains...
by Motoko Kusanagi
Apr 25th, 2008
02:19:14 AM
...will Smaug smash a bottle in Bilbo's face?
Jobacca
by Be_a_zed
Apr 25th, 2008
02:59:40 AM
You dick, how can say that Narnia shit is better than LOTR ??? Are you fucking blind ? Idiot.
Snipes as Bilbo "Always bet on" Baggins
by pokadoo
Apr 25th, 2008
03:08:07 AM
Kris Kristopherson as Gandalf. Luke Goss as Elrond and Ron Pearlman as all the Dwarves(Oompa Loompa style). Could be as good as Blade 2. Almost.
Ian Holm
by henrydalton
Apr 25th, 2008
03:08:18 AM
The whole idea is that since finding the ring, Bilbo 'hasn't aged a day' (or at least, very very little). They should get Ian Holm, getting a 30 year old actor just wouldn't make sense. And if they're trying to get these films to link in so much (and judging by the fact they're making an unnecessary 3-hour extra 'linking film', they do), then they could at least make it so that flashback in Fellowship to Ian Holm finding the ring makes sense.
Sorry
by henrydalton
Apr 25th, 2008
03:08:53 AM
that should 'they are', not 'they do'. Damn the lack of an edit function.
Will they carbon-freeze Wesley Snipes
by pokadoo
Apr 25th, 2008
03:14:29 AM
...like in Demolition Man? They can put him next to Steroid Stallone.
WAIT WAIT! It's the 1st of April... No... wait... it's not! YESS
by silentbobafett2
Apr 25th, 2008
03:17:06 AM
Wow, 1st Hobbit Taklback and we've already had
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
03:21:50 AM
prime craziness. And it wasn't Ringy (although he'll have enough mad dog posts in the long run)

queefer- are you 2true in disguise? seriously: "By the third one I wanted to rape Frodo with a shotgun and blow my load through the top of his head". And then saying you know where someone lives?

I'm a bit scared.

Fucking horrible news
by Darksider
Apr 25th, 2008
03:45:22 AM
Ringy
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
04:46:41 AM
what's the obsession with Dwarf tossing? (aside from comedy), it was hardly a major part of the films.

You need to relax.

Did somebody (read: a fuckhead) just compare LOTR
by Motoko Kusanagi
Apr 25th, 2008
04:52:40 AM
to Narnia? I mean, fracking Narnia? C'mon, get a fucking grip, you troll.
Hell No
by TellNoOne
Apr 25th, 2008
05:13:39 AM
Martin Freeman as Bilbo? You can fuck off with that one... How the hell does he remind people of Bilbo? He only reminds me of that annoying prick from The Office - his sole expression is sarcastic bewilderment. Fuck, you might as well just botox Holm's face. Fellowship is the masterpiece, but then they just got progressively worse. And longer.
Damn You Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Apr 25th, 2008
06:20:44 AM
Damn You Michael Bay
I'm glad...
by poeticwarriorII
Apr 25th, 2008
06:22:21 AM
PJ isn't doing this. Perhaps there won't be so many damn tickle fights between gay hobbits in this one. And that number the fucking government did on Snipes is ludicrous. Our government is getting out of fucking hand and someone needs to reign their ass back in.
Queefer Bukkake, your bad-assery amazes me!
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
06:36:54 AM
I too fall into the camp of wishing Del Toro would continue to just do 'his' movies. I'm sure he'll do an awesome job with the Hobbit, but who knows what we'll get with a second movie. Just have him do the Hobbit, and then back doing his other crazy shit he does.
well if it aint jackson
by disfigurehead
Apr 25th, 2008
06:45:24 AM
then Del Toro will be great. Hells yeah
Mmmm....
by I AM ROCKO
Apr 25th, 2008
06:49:07 AM
Really like Pan's Labyrinth, underwhelmed by the staging/editing of the action in Hellboy- so me this could go either way!
I'm in awe of Queefer
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
06:52:56 AM
but his rape fetish is a bit disturbing- so far we've had face, arse and shotgun raping.

He's one scary fucker.

yes, Queefer throws out the rape thing a lot
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
06:54:14 AM
It's like his "go-to" threat.
It's almost like he keeps a hat with random words in it
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
06:59:49 AM
then picks out a couple:

so this time we have "shotgun" and "head" whereas last time I think it was "gravel" and "face"

I Dunno
by Mentok
Apr 25th, 2008
07:05:52 AM
I've never read The Hobbit and then thought, "that would have been better with a lot more heavy-handed vaginal symbolism."
memorable Queefer quotes...
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
07:13:50 AM
The Spirit may be "old" but have you ever heard of reprints? It's in any good comic book store. If you're a true geek as you claim, you'd know more, and you'd certainly know The Spirit. I think you're just a shallow poseur, a geek wannabe. Get with the program, little boy, before I teach you the law.

I wasn't saying it was good to be a geek. I was saying somebody wasn't even reaching that level. Personally, I'm not a geek. I'm the motherfucker that's gonna rape your face and then grind it off on a brick wall.

Dude, you're absolutely right. I hope these assholes who can't deal with this movie don't go to it. I just know I'm going to have one of their whiney asses behind me in the theater and I'm going to be thrown out yet again for slugging another annoying fucking fanboy. Goddamn these pathetic basement dwellers piss me off! You fuckers better hope you're not in the same theater I'm in, or you're going to taste your nut sacks.

LOL
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
07:17:09 AM
"before I teach you the law". The law of what, Judge Bukake?
He is one angry little geek
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
07:18:42 AM
and the other thing that's really funny: "Personally, I'm not a geek." Erm, yes you are. As soon as you got a Talkback ID (especially one with 2 porn/ vag references in it) you automatically sign up to geekdom.

Just accept it man, it's alright, you're among friends.

Well, Ringy...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
07:22:10 AM
...according to an interview with Del Toro in last month's Empire (or maybe it was Total Film), he said that he would never have accepted directing The Hobbit if he didn't have the utmost respect for the world he has been invited to play in. To a certain extent he was referring to Tolkien, but most of all he was referring to Jackson's vision of Middle-Earth.

This is good news for most of us, but really bad news for you. You do, of course, realize that this means you and I will be slogging it out in the talkback trenches for the next five years or so. The battle will no doubt commence fairly early, but it should really start heating up once the first production stills surface. I personally can't wait for the first pic of Smaug breathing flames so you can regale us with how terrible it is that the color of the fire is... the color of fire.

I hope they load some dwarves into a catapault
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
07:24:41 AM
and fire them at Smaug.

Because not only is that kind of thing funny but Ringy might explode through sheer apoplexy.

Wicked news...
by Yeti
Apr 25th, 2008
07:27:29 AM
Can not wait to see how Smog looks.
Judge Queef, Jury Queef, Executioner Queef
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
07:37:37 AM
Justice has only one name, and it is...

Queefustice!

Alright then--start filming before McKellan croaks!
by Rickey Henderson
Apr 25th, 2008
07:37:54 AM
The race is on!
Yeti
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
07:38:47 AM
Smog looks like fog, but with the pollution element thrown in.
Pazuzu, I believe you are right.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
07:42:24 AM
Del Toro was talking about being faithful to Jackson's film version, not to Tolkien. (sigh).
oh ringy
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
07:44:29 AM
I can hear your little heart breaking.

Please explain to me why Dwarf tossing is such a big deal to you? It's not like it happened constantly in Jackson's effort.

What will we see in a "Faithful to Jackson" Hobbit ?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
07:58:29 AM
Hmm. The dwarves are more comical in THE HOBBIT, so I suppose you can't shout foul there. Hopefully Del Toro will try for a more cheerfully lit world, but his own films tend to be amber in color, so I don't expect a decent color palette from Del Toro (which matches the muted look of Jackson's LOTR, in style, really). How will the two films treat Gandalf? Hopefully there won't be a breakdancing wizard confrontation between Gandalf and the Necromancer (Sauron). I suppose the Goblins of the Misty Mountains will all look like hideous deformed Mutants, in deference to the Orcs of Jackson's LOTR. Will the Necromancer's home in Eastern Mirkwood have all those fancy pointy things on them like Barad Dur did? Will the Spiders of Mirkwood drool a lot? Will Beorn be in the movie, or are Man-Bears too silly? Let's hope Smaug is a CLEAN Dragon, not a pus-oozing one, and that he's colored RED, not CGI-friendly grey. (Dang. Could they have picked Del Toro for his amber colored tendencies, so that the overall look will be CGI-Friendly to a Red Smaug?) Will the battle of the Five Armies have a lot of head choppings of Goblins? Fuck me, I don't seem to really care anymore. The damage has been done already, really. WETA and the designs Jackson prefers out of WETA will determine the look of this film, and we all know what that look is already.
So, who else have I missed about recurring parts??
by HewligansHaircut
Apr 25th, 2008
08:01:05 AM
So, who can return? Bilbo - (need younger actor, not Ian Holm (who is one of my favorite actors but needs younger blood to sell)) Gandalf - yes, ian to return Elrond - Mr Baggins i presume Gollum - More Precious Mocap action Gloin - Yup, my son is in raiders Eagle - Hey, give me a break, i'm an effect Legolas - waving in the background, can turn up at the end of the first film as they escape on the barrels. turns up and shouts "where'd they go??" The Ring - I was a bit more sinister before, now i'm just pretty useful So, who else have I missed about recurring parts?? Oh, and i see this split with escaping from the elves as the end of the first film, and the whole Lake Town and Dragon fights and the battle of the 5 armies and subsequent dwarf action saved for the second film... How do other people think it will be split....
how should the goblins look, like the cartoon?
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
08:01:53 AM
Are you basing the 'look' of the Hobbit off of the cartoon?
The Bridge Film
by alocksley
Apr 25th, 2008
08:05:50 AM
For those of you bemoaning the "bridge" film as a money grab made up out of whole cloth, you need only look to the appendices of LOTR to see that Tolkien had mapped out the events between The Hobbit and LOTR quite carefully. If that timeline is followed, the second film should be quite interesting, with the Witch King being driven out of Mirkwood, etc. My ardent hope, however, is that Jackson, Boyens and Fran Walsh stay as far away from these scripts as possible. The screenplays for the LOTR films were by far the weakest aspect of the films, butchering Tolkien's wonderful dialogue and making absurd changes to the story in the name of "making it work as a movie."
Amazing News
by BeatsMe
Apr 25th, 2008
08:06:12 AM
Sorry, you Jacksonphiles. This is going to be even better. The LotR was good, but the one thing Jackson didn't do well was create much of a creepy otherwordly feeling--he's a bit literal as a director (which is fine sometimes). Del Toro will make a movie that gets under your skin.
Pillows
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
08:14:42 AM
no he isn't. He's basing it on the exact vision in his head. The problem for ringy is that this will be a complete disasater unless it matches to the fucking letter what he sees.

There's no point trying to explain that every one has a different imagination, and what Jackson put on screen was what Jackson saw it as. He'll just wail and gnash his teeth until he gets as near as possible to what he wants.

Hysterically he once described the elves as being an Aryan wet dream (or words to that effect) and I'd actually like to know how on middle-earth you depict elves without making them look like that.

"Tolkien's Wonderful Dialogue"
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
08:15:46 AM
You have to be fucking joking. Tolkien wrote dreadful portentous dialogue (that was apt for the novel).

Would you like his appaling doggerel translated to film as well?

This sucks.
by fireclown
Apr 25th, 2008
08:19:04 AM
Anything that delays Del Toro from doing my Mountains Of Madness is a frakking crime.
I know Jarv, but I would like to hear from him
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
08:19:30 AM
what they should look like.

Sorry alocksley, ringy, but the LOTR was fucking amazing.

Dwarf Tossing ... the problem.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
08:24:11 AM
For me, The Dwarf Tossing represented Jackson's sadistic humor (in it's mildest form). It finds the discomfiture of a sentient being (a dwarf) due to constant short jokes and anachronistic references to the bar sport of Dwarf Bowling in our modern day to be FUNNY. It also is the same sense of humor that finds the fight between Gandalf and Saruman funny (Jackson said he thought the idea of old bones cracking to be funny, and that this tied into his distaste for Wizards and Magic in general). Jackson's taste in humor is sadistic, as anyone who has seen his splatter movies will realize. If he could get away with it, he'd put humping jokes into the movies, like the old Cowboy Ghost raping the Egyptian Mummy in "The Frighteners". Dwarf Tossing is the mildest example of a more cruel aspect to Jackson, a sneering contempt for magic and wonder, a delight in pain and horror. He'd have been a perfect Orc in Tolkien's universe.
I would also like to know what the fuck he thinks
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
08:24:21 AM
Orcs should look like.

He never complains about the Dwarves (so refers to Dwarf tossing instead), but I suppose there isn't that much variety in a short dude with a beard.

However, Del Toro is NOT an Orc.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
08:24:51 AM
So there's a lot of hope.
What happens between Hobbit and LOTR?
by Jor-El23
Apr 25th, 2008
08:27:09 AM
Is there a previous body of Tolkien work, even if it's just appendixes? There has to be right? They wouldn't just make up this entire new story without at least some ideas from Tolkien.
what a load of complete shit
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
08:29:36 AM
It was less than 5 minutes in over 9 hours of film.

So what if he finds it amusing?

I have different issues with them, so can understand why you don't like them, but what I am completely mistyfied about are the ludicrous reasons you have for such dislike. I don't think he has "sneering contempt" for it, in fact I think he produced a respectful translation. Would you rather he had slavishly copied everything from the novel (don't answer)?

At least he got rid of Tom Bombadil.

BTW- that scene in the frighteners is funny, as is much of Bad Taste and Braindead. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't quite funny.

I have to say that I do not like The 2 Towers and I HATE return of the king, so I'm not been fanboyish about it,

It ain't the worshipping....
by Damned if I can login
Apr 25th, 2008
08:33:32 AM
...at the cock of Tolkien. It's the worshipping at the cock of *Jackson* that is perplexing. The esteemed professor's work has proven its worth over many decades of scrutiny.

It doesn't matter how many times you say Jackson made the GREATEST ADVENTURE EPIC FILM IN HISTORY....nothing could be further from the truth.

So no big deal with them making this "bridge" film. If GDT intends to stay faithful to the Jackson version...well, after the hack adaptation of the first batch of three ya might as well write whatever the fuck ya want. Although to be fair it should be stated that it's "loosely" based on Tolkien. Or some other description, such as "somewhat", "kinda", or "marginally".

wah wah wah (fap-fap)...how dare you say that about the diety named Jackson (fap-fap-fap)....

Fantastic. Del Toro will improve on Middle Earth
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:41:21 AM
Would have wished for Cuaron, but Guillermo has proved to be very able himself. Jackson did mainly very good, the two of them with Weta will do marvels. Just hope Guillermo has a big hand in the script, Jackson and co was a bit hit and miss in that department. Cant wait to see the results of bringing my favorite book to the screen.
It's too bad Del Toro sucks. Jackson should have done it himself
by Proman1984
Apr 25th, 2008
08:48:37 AM
Booya!
I see Ringy...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
08:52:08 AM
...is starting early, spouting off his tired, mad old shit about how evil Jackson is and how he hates magic. I can't even be arsed to counter him at the moment.
Favorite Image of a Goblin
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
08:52:17 AM
From the 1st Edition AD&D Monster Mansual, pciture by David Trampier
Bedlam will reign...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
08:53:49 AM
...in the Hobbit talkbacks for other reasons, too. All the Star Wars nerds will be looking for payback now that they're sensing the Tolkienites' very own version of the prequels.

It will hilarious and gloriously stupid.

Jackson does hate wizards and magic.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
08:57:16 AM
He SAID so on the extended edition commentaries. He specifically pointed out the Wizard Smackdown fight as his way of making a wizard duel as physical and non-magical as possible.
it will BE...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
08:57:23 AM
...hilarious and gloriously stupid.

"we used to smarter"

"From the 1st Edition AD&D Monster Mansual, pciture by David Tra
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
08:57:45 AM
You Fucking LARP nerd.

As if we needed confirmation of that.

What's for hard about the 2nd Hobbit movie?
by mistergreen
Apr 25th, 2008
08:58:47 AM
It's all been written already. I don't get your worry.
The hilarious bit about your last post is that
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
09:00:04 AM
not only have you listened to all the commentary, but you've obviously failed to understand it.

Just because he wanted a more physical fight doesn't mean he hates magic.

You know who you are? You're the geek in Nightmare on Elm Street 3 that gets chomped by his own wheelchair: "In my dreams, I'm an all powerful wizard".

Even though I am in no way religious
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Apr 25th, 2008
09:00:19 AM
thank you jesus.
No, the reason he hates magic IS ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
09:06:31 AM
... because he actually SAYS that. Not because he wanted a more physical fight. He actually SAYS that he hates magic. And Wizards.
I don't get it....
by Damned if I can login
Apr 25th, 2008
09:07:01 AM
If Jackson "has contempt for wizards and magic" why do the film? Like Tim Burton wanting to do Superman when he isn't a fan of comics. Why?

Oh wait....I forgot. Sleeping on a gigantic pile of money with lots of beautiful, naked women. Scratch that question.

Lost Jarv, you think I am confusing Jackson with the FILMS.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
09:10:06 AM
I'm not. The films weren't complete shite. Plenty of loyalty to Tolkien, plenty of love for Tolkien. What I'm saying is that Jackson the person didn't really care about Tolkien, though he deferred to collaborators who did. Which is why his NOT being the director is good news. The less of Jackson's personal involvement the better.
Jackson, Walsh & Boyens:stick to the story this time
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
09:11:39 AM
You added and subtracted unnecessarily with Lotr, Del Toro, don't let them much up The Hobbit.Like they say about the bible, those that subtract from the holy words will have their time in heaven subtracted, those that add to them will have their time in hell added to. The Hobbit it a timeless classic and needs no changes in the name of hollywood-style movie emotion-manipulation.
"chomped by his own wheelchair"
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
09:11:57 AM
heh
I'm not Ringy
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
09:13:47 AM
what I'm saying is that unless it hits some sort of slavish translation then it will never be good enough for you.

Your bitterness passed with ROTK into kong so I know damned well it is just against the director.

No, Jarv, I don't want a "slavish translation".
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
09:17:17 AM
Just one with fewer Dwarf Tossing, Wizard hating, Zombie-Makeup moments.
Who was that obnoxious tool...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 25th, 2008
09:19:06 AM
...several years ago who also hated Jackson and claimed to have the only true vision of LOTR? He had actually shot his own, very literal version of the Council of Elrond with some of his buddies and posted a link to it online. Needless to say, it was howlingly awful and he subsequently evaporated from talkback.

Good times, good times...

Ringwearer9
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 25th, 2008
09:19:55 AM
It is so wonderfully odd that you usually only post on Tolkien/Peter Jackson themed Talkbacks. And once again, we find you providing a double-scoop of lunacy and hilarity.

If you think Jackson's "hate" for wizard-style magic is a point of contention, then you should re-read your Tolkien. The master himself did not care for the idea of "magic" especially in the Harry Potter/Bedknobs and Broomesticks manner. Tolkien always meant for the "magic" of his characters to be more low-key, insinuated, and unexplained. The fact that Jackson may not be a big fan of wizards shooting lighting bolts or some shite at one another is lockstep with Tolkien's vision. And he admitted that when putting a wizard onscreen, you've got to be able to somehow show their "power" without them casting ridiculous spells all the time. The fact that their is so little "classic magic" in the book (and film) is one of the story's strengths. You should know this.

"Jackson the person didn't really care about Tolkien"
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 25th, 2008
09:21:45 AM
Bullshit. I've watched the same DVD extras and commentaries. That is an outright fallacy.
Ringy this is my point
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
09:22:38 AM
There was one Dwarf toss in 9 hours. Not a big deal.

What does Gandalf actually do in the way of magic in the books? I think Jackson put in more magic than Tolkien.

Zombie Makeup? on hybrid flesh-eating monsters? heaven forbid.

Ok I am not a big Hellboy Fan
by Series7
Apr 25th, 2008
09:30:29 AM
Wanted to be, really liked Blade 2. One of the few movies I paid twice to see in theaters, the other one being Kong. Both awesome, both times, and on subsequint viewings on the VHS. I know I am in the minority for being a huge fan of Kong and Blade 2. Personally I like the LOTR the least out of Jacksons body of work. I know they are 11 oscars of amazingness, but I never read the books but I respect them for what they are and realize that it was cinematic greatness. But i just don't see me watching them as much as Meet the Feebles or Frightners (which I did read the book of? I think it was the movie book either way I killed that book in a day and I am shitty slow reader). But how close to the comic was the Hellboy movie anyone?
Ok I am not a big Hellboy Fan
by Series7
Apr 25th, 2008
09:30:33 AM
Wanted to be, really liked Blade 2. One of the few movies I paid twice to see in theaters, the other one being Kong. Both awesome, both times, and on subsequint viewings on the VHS. I know I am in the minority for being a huge fan of Kong and Blade 2. Personally I like the LOTR the least out of Jacksons body of work. I know they are 11 oscars of amazingness, but I never read the books but I respect them for what they are and realize that it was cinematic greatness. But i just don't see me watching them as much as Meet the Feebles or Frightners (which I did read the book of? I think it was the movie book either way I killed that book in a day and I am shitty slow reader). But how close to the comic was the Hellboy movie anyone?
I could've lived with the one Dwarf tossing comment...
by Damned if I can login
Apr 25th, 2008
09:31:35 AM
...if it weren't for the fact that Gimli was depicted throughout the three films as some kind of bumbling fool. I recall one reviewer saying of ROTK, "more great comic relief from Gimli".
Hellboy was...
by Underoos Hero
Apr 25th, 2008
09:35:42 AM
Hellboy was one of those movies that I was really wanting to enjoy. I love monsters and practical effects and Hellboy is pretty cool. But the movie just did not quite get there for me. I did however like Pans Labyrinth. Good movie. I think with the Jackson team behind him Del Toro can pull this off. He's got talent. I will definately be in line to see this.
Jarv, your count is off a bit ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
09:41:40 AM
2 Dwarf Tosses. Plus a short people joke involving barrels. Gandalf's wizardry was fire based, do would lend itself to a lot of wizardly pytotechnics. Did you notice that the battle against the Wargs in Fellowship was excised? Spectacular firey wizardry from the book.
Ringy-
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
09:45:09 AM
Ok 2 dwarf tosses & 1 short person joke IN 9 HOURS. Not a big deal.

Warg battle, fine, but there wasn't the wizards duel- so I'd call that even.

Really, you are nitpicking.

I've said it before but you are the classic purist: generally good taste, but with anorak level obsessivenes.

It's official: Only fat people can direct this films!!!!
by ludmir88
Apr 25th, 2008
09:49:59 AM
they are gifted.
James McAvoy as Bilbo?
by fjosman
Apr 25th, 2008
09:52:34 AM
He got the right amount of innonce and kick ass if he wants to. And Sean Connery for the voice of Smau....no wait a minute...:-)
I still don't understand the focus on dwarf tossing
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
09:52:39 AM
Wasn't there other, maybe more pertinent things, that bothered you more about Jackson's version?

I can totally buy people having problems with the 2nd and 3rd films, but for me, Fellowship was a perfect introduction to the world.

you shouldn't be scared of make-believe-characters
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
10:02:43 AM
anchorite. They're just movies.

Oh, and watch your sleeve, it just caught fire.

This is my big sticking point pillows,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:13:06 AM
See if he bitched about moving Shelob into ROTK and thereby destroying the flow of both movies then he'd have something.

But what he does is bitch repeatedly at some percieved lack of respect.

Max Von Sydow for the voice of Smaug
by Movietool
Apr 25th, 2008
10:25:27 AM
Ron Pealman for the Goblin King. Pealman's got a good voice, yes, but Von Sydow's voice OWNS.
Ron PEARLMAN
by Movietool
Apr 25th, 2008
10:28:13 AM
How the hell did I mispell it twice?
exactly...
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
10:29:54 AM
Dwarf tossing, while silly, does not impact the movie. Perhaps focusing on the elves joining the Helms Deep battle, maybe that's something that can get your undies in an uproar.
or the over use of Arwen at the expense of other
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:30:47 AM
other characters. BTW, I'm having real problems with that arsehole in the Batman TB.
Finally!
by Damned if I can login
Apr 25th, 2008
10:40:15 AM
The point has been stated:

Not a good thing to insert many, many, *many* useless scenes (Jackson's kids, Aragorn falling off a cliff, etc) when that time would've been better served showing things that were omitted.

Jobacca, Pops, etc
by Teko
Apr 25th, 2008
10:41:46 AM
You are trolls and assholes. That is all.
Pillow Talk ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
10:42:15 AM
... Dwarf tossing is just an example. The Elves at Helm's Deep is indeed awful. Especially with Aragorn telling the Elves how to SHOOT. And the Elves marching in Nazi lockstep.
Ricarleite, NO, apparently Hob bit will be SPLIT IN TWO
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
10:45:05 AM
... the Hobbit will be split into two movies, with "filler" material added (Gandlaf's and Aragorn's unseen adventures, for example). That's according to Yahoo News, who corrected their original "bridge between Hobbit and LOTR movie" report, based on info given them by New Line.
The Hobbit 2: Tokyo Drift
by Ray Gamma
Apr 25th, 2008
10:45:19 AM
Fastriouser
How was an army made up of Aryan wet dreams
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:47:44 AM
meant to march- cavorting down the hill waving tambourines throwing petals in front of each other?
the split is bad news though
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:48:53 AM
there isn't enough material in the hobbit to do that. It'll be like moving shelob- ill advised and a bit rubbish.
I'm Tired. I can't do this for another 4 years.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
10:50:05 AM
Del Toro is a bright spot in the Jacksonian Darkness. That is all.
"The Jacksonian Darkness"
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:53:31 AM
"and there, standing alone, was Ringwearer9, blinking the tears out of his eyes as he bravely faced down the evil kiwi hordes spilling out of Mordor. "Curse you, Jackson, you magic hater, I shall never be bowed." And he stood there, short sword clutched in his hand "For Tolkien, and the legacy of Live Action Role Playing". With that the 4 year battle was joined"
Yeah, Jarv, I was actually a little happy to hear about a bridge
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
10:55:04 AM
Because it meant the Hobbit wasn't being stretched out and padded out, and because it meant the second movie might be creative and new, without pissing all over the original foreground story. Alas.
Have a good weekend chaps
by Lost Jarv
Apr 25th, 2008
10:57:46 AM
I'm off
Was Uwe Boll too busy?
by Nico Toscani
Apr 25th, 2008
11:12:36 AM
If you ask me, the only director with the vision to truly bring such an epic, moving story like this to life is Uwe Boll. I defy you to prove me otherwise!
The Voice of Smaug....
by SlickyVonBoner
Apr 25th, 2008
11:19:51 AM
Should be Clancy Brown! He's perfect. You know it to be true.
Why Bother?
by dogstar69
Apr 25th, 2008
11:24:16 AM
The Lord of the Rings movies are so boring, the CGI looks terrible already, the acting is worse than the Star Wars prequels, which is exactly what the hobbit movies are going to be compared too when fans of LOTR realise they have been royally duped. i may not be a fan of the movies, but i am a fan of Peter Jackson, so i watched the trilogy for him alone. The films were a brave undertaking, a giant risk there was an audience, but making two more movies just screams of a cash in
The Voice of Smaug
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 25th, 2008
11:25:21 AM
Clancy Brown would be a pretty sweet choice. I happen to think that Jeremy Irons would sound great, too.

(Kind of tough to think of Smaug without remembering Richard Boone's performance in the Rankin-Bass cartoon.)

McAvoy for Bilbo. Jeremy Irons for Smaug.
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
11:32:50 AM
A slithery refined voice for Smaug rather than a booming coarse one. I bet Del Toro is more exited about the Spiders of Mirkwood than about Smaug.
Ringy
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 25th, 2008
11:33:23 AM
I do agree that THE HOBBIT should not be stretched and broken into two films. That seems a bit of a mistake and it's quite unnecessary. I'm really not that comfortable with the idea of this "bridging material". I can't imagine what kind of dialogue would need to be crafted out of thin air.
I hope they use the same music score
by WickedMonster
Apr 25th, 2008
11:34:18 AM
LOTR had the best score, both in terms of ambiance and relativeness.
dogstar69
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 25th, 2008
11:35:04 AM
Quote: "...the CGI looks terrible already, the acting is worse than the Star Wars prequels..."

WHAT?! Dude, what are you drinking because I want some.

Great choice. Not sure about 2nd movie.
by fastcars
Apr 25th, 2008
11:44:18 AM
The whole fun of "The Hobbit" was that it was one straightforward narrative. Breaking it in half seems greedy and unnecessary. Also, while the LoR films were great, their long-drawn-out nature doesn't age well. Oh well. Del Toro rocks, so I'll hope for the best.
Oh, and AD&D is not "LARP"
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
11:45:39 AM
It's dice and sheets of paper. But the Monster Manual (1st edition) had some excellent art in it, especially David A. Trampier's work. And he drew a perfect picture of an attacking Goblin, with sword, shield, armour, and not a sign of cancerous tumours.
This should be a standalone
by Wee Willie
Apr 25th, 2008
11:48:06 AM
why try to link it, cast-wise, or conceptually to the LOTR trilogy? It's a movie, not a fucking TV series. Oh, and James Macavoy as Bilbo.
Brian Blessed for Beorn
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
11:54:54 AM
I want to see one of those giant eagles.
Johnathan Rhys-Davies = Gimli = Gloin
by YotzVonFrelnik
Apr 25th, 2008
11:55:55 AM
It must be stressed!!! To not do this casting would be the biggest HUH??? ever.
As long as Del Toro doesn't write the screenplay
by krushjudgement
Apr 25th, 2008
12:01:07 PM
He's a ham handed writer.
Ron Pearlman
by homer40
Apr 25th, 2008
12:04:04 PM
Really, who gives a shit if Ron Pearlman is in the film. I mean, he's a decent actor, but hardly worth the endless mentions in this discussion. How about Paul Giamatti for any role? His performance in John Adams establishes him as perhaps the greatest working actor alive, and his performance as Adams as one of the finest ever committed to film. As far as Del Toro goes, I loved Pan's Labyrinth but thought Hellboy sucked. Really-sucked-not a near miss, just bad,worse than Constantine, worse than League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, worse than Van Helsing (all bad). And don't get me started on Blade. So I guess we have to hope that "arty" Del Toro shows up for work. Can you imagine the film if Speilberg had signed on?
Holy shit, Harry
by Archive
Apr 25th, 2008
12:07:06 PM
You're right. Ron Perlman IS Smaug.
Teko - How do you figure?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
12:10:46 PM
I'm an asshole because I said I liked The Hobbit, then said, in my opinion, the LOTR films were all downhill once Boromir died? Oh, okay.
Mr. Nice Gaius
by dogstar69
Apr 25th, 2008
12:15:25 PM
i'm not a fan of the acting, was maybe a better way i should've written it down, but i stick by the CGI looking shoddy, i caught felloship on TV recently and was shocked by how much it had dated, cos like i said i'm not a great fan of the flicks, but peter jackson knows his effects work (except the elastic native in Kong) and i'm shocked how they look now
no way does the CGI look shoddy
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
12:40:49 PM
What specifically do you think looks that way dogstar?
please make the three trolls with big noses
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
12:44:51 PM
No noseless undefined cavemonster like Jackson created in Soria. Look up Kittelsen if in doubt about how a troll looks.
The CGI looked shoddy from Day One.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
12:48:29 PM
It was terrible in Fellowship. The Cave Troll? It was a blurry, jagged, under-rendered mess. The pits of Saruman looked terrible. The CGI did improve in the sequels (and Gollum is a fantastic piece of near-realistic animation) but it was Grey-colored, not-ready-for-daylight CGI that we still live in the twilight of. Will Cameron's AVATAR show us the way out? I hope so. I also hope WETA can top the dragon from BEOWULF, because that beast was ALMOST good enough for live action. Not quite, though. It would be nice if they sprung for some good Animatic models for Smaug instead of depending on the gollums working on their computers for him, though.
What if Peter Jackson goes all Lucas on us?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
12:52:02 PM
When would we get the LOTR Special Extended Editions where all of the swords have been replaced by walkie talkies or something?
they shouldnt use american actors
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
12:54:49 PM
unless they can do convincing non-american english. dont want no elf or dwarf sounding like a cowboy, that would snap you right out of MiddleEarth
Then we agree to disagree on that Ringy
by just pillow talk
Apr 25th, 2008
12:56:38 PM
I'm not saying there weren't some instances when it didn't look good, but I thought it looked pretty damn good for the most part.

I will agree with you on hoping that Avatar raises the bar to a level yet seen.

Special extended editions?
by toadkillerdog
Apr 25th, 2008
01:00:50 PM
Dear lord, no! The special's already are well over 3 hours long now. Can you imagine how long it might be if they where further extended?
I gotta Admit that the Nazgul with the flaming sword ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
01:05:30 PM
... on the special editions, rearing up on his flying steed, was an awesome moment. Of course, the Nazgul broke Gandalf's wand, depriving him of his a wizardly weapon, a MOMENT NOT IN THE BOOKS.
Worried about Guillermo's tin ear for English dialogue..
by Darth_Inedible
Apr 25th, 2008
01:08:04 PM
Peter/NL better hook him up with a great acting/dialogue coach or this could be the weak link in the film.
Smaug just might benefit from Avatar
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
01:10:26 PM
cause Weta is helping out Cameron there, right? And progressing in bounds in the process i bet.
Uwe Boll...now *that's* kamedy....
by Damned if I can login
Apr 25th, 2008
01:14:42 PM
Pubie Soap....I don't remember who originally called him that but it's frikkin' hilarious...
Hellz to the Yea!
by DonKingKong
Apr 25th, 2008
01:14:47 PM
Finally!!!!
film moments not in the book-hammy jackson
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
01:16:54 PM
i hate that, much as i appreciate most of his work
THE SILMARILLION
by Keanu Gives
Apr 25th, 2008
01:17:55 PM
Making a movie out of The Hobbit is a piece of cake. Making one (or three) out of The Silmarillion is impossible. But I would die to see a Silmarillion miniseries.
have you signed the Stop uwe boll petition yet?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
01:25:42 PM
www.petitiononline.c om/RRH53888/petition.html still only 224471 Total Signatures
Last I remember The Hobbit was pretty self contained
by Reel American Hero
Apr 25th, 2008
01:29:01 PM
I think making two movies out of the story is just the studio wanting more cash out of our fanboy pockets. But it's Del Toro, so he could end up making two very awesome movies out of this one story.
One more thing, is there anything that doesn't get shit on?
by Reel American Hero
Apr 25th, 2008
01:31:03 PM
It seems all the time that something comes out, it's hailed by us and sometimes normal people as a new classic, just awesome movie. Then a few months, or years go by, and then all of a sudden it 'sucks'. My question is is there anything that we don't shit on after a few months? It's getting ridiculous.
Fat people will make excellent dwarves
by wintocha67
Apr 25th, 2008
01:38:22 PM
And skinny children for Goblins in make-up with CGI added to enhance, not CGI goblins like Gollum or Clone Troopers, please. Where can I send my extensive notes to Guillermo on how to make adult films for fans of the original?
Michael Wincott!!!
by OgieOglethorpe
Apr 25th, 2008
01:40:29 PM
Michael Wincott for the voice of Smaug!!!
Only 1 Hobbit Needed..Free Snipes!
by conspiracy
Apr 25th, 2008
01:52:22 PM
A travesty of filmaking and of Justice. A "Made up" Non-Tolkein 2nd Hobbit just sounds like shit...it's as silly as making a movie called "The Bible: The extra 21st Century chapters". As for poor Snipes...just more proof there is no justice in this Fascist/Socialist land. Here is a man who has over the years paid more in taxes than most of us will ever make..and now Uncle Sam is gonna throw him in a cell because he dares resist that last bit of "legalized" extortion?
Er, Bilbo in The Hobbit is the same age as Frodo in Lord of the
by ar42
Apr 25th, 2008
02:01:02 PM
So no more wrinkle jokes.
snipes should just make a film about being in jail
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:05:19 PM
why didnt snipes just stay in africa?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:09:00 PM
bet they treat him like a god over there
Actually what I said was...
by Jobacca
Apr 25th, 2008
02:12:11 PM
Narnia is BETTER than LOTR. And I'm not even christian. Hell,the Filmation He-Man scripts are better written than anything Tolkein ever wrote. Ask any English teacher worth his salt. Ask anyone with ANY taste in literature. Tolkein was a horrible,horrible hack of a writer and the films based on his work are tedious and boring. Peter Jackson is the only motherfucker in Hollywood who could turn a 5 minute short into a 6 hour epic. I would love it if someone would lube themselves up and watch those horrible hobbit movies again-I'm pretty sure a good 80% involves long shots of hobbits walking in the woods and tracking shots of trees. Thats all those movies were about. Even the battle scenes were boring. Remember kids,theres only one Return and it aint of The King. Heres hoping someone makes a fanfilm about Ewoks killing and eating the whole fucking Fellowship...yub nub,bitches!
No, Pops...
by Teko
Apr 25th, 2008
02:12:39 PM
You're a troll because of quotes like "nothing's more excited than midgets walking!". You know, posting stuff that's designed to get fanboys into a frothing rage. That's dickish. You too, Dogstar.
snipes could have been a big fish in africa
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:18:05 PM
instead of being molested in jail
instead of being fresh fish
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:20:24 PM
Ah, got it.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
02:22:49 PM
Sorry, didn't know it was illegal to joke on here and/or it's that time of the month for you...
wonder how much his fancy martial arts will help
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:23:09 PM
in the real jail world
What's wrong with the expanded 21st century Bible?
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
02:25:07 PM
Sounds like good reading. Almost as good as the World War III/Biblical prophecy comic that Rob Liefeld is working on.
YES, FINALLY!!
by purplepurple
Apr 25th, 2008
02:34:34 PM
What an amazing saga this will be. Epic people EPIC!!!
Morgan Freeman as Gandalf!
by Death&Gravity
Apr 25th, 2008
02:36:09 PM
Bilbo Baggins - Gary Coleman.
how about simon bisley's bible?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:36:39 PM
it's supposed to be the holy words of jesus and his disciples, not added on to by corrupt and misguiding clergy. or censored by them.
so is doug jones Gollum now?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
02:48:35 PM
its the Jones versus Serkis duel!
Casting
by Ohiofile
Apr 25th, 2008
02:51:53 PM
Casting - Whoops
by Ohiofile
Apr 25th, 2008
02:55:55 PM
Andy Serkis as Beorn the man Doug Jones as Beorn the Bear Ricky Gervais as Smaug Freddy Highmore as Bilbo
Highmore? why not?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
03:07:02 PM
about Gervais i hope you're joking. Highmore's a bit young but a fantastic actor...a bit skinny though, Hobbits are supposed to be rotund. McAvoy could easily flesh out a bit.
I did not know about Bisley's Bible.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
03:07:38 PM
Is JC going to be all roided up, Lobo style?
So Smaug won't have eyes on his face...
by Kid Z
Apr 25th, 2008
03:11:53 PM
... they'll be on his hands (forepaws?) or along the edges of his wings. I'm just being a smart-ass, seriously, this could be good.
He just gave an interview to TheOneRing.net...
by brokentusk
Apr 25th, 2008
03:13:02 PM
I won't paste the link because these message boards suck ass and the link won't paste properly, but from his answers it sounds like he's going to do a FANTASTIC job! He's bringing back all the key people, Andy Serkis, Ian McKellen, Richard Taylor, Alan Lee, John Howe, etc. He's already spoken to them! Seriously, check it out - it made my day.
Happy, happy!
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:13:39 PM
Outstanding! Though I preferred Jackson directing for the sake of continuity, I'm delighted at delToro taking the directors mantle for this go around.

James McAvoy is still my first choice for Bilbo but I would also like to see Paul Giamatti taking the role. Anyone who caught his performance in the recent HBO "John Adams" will know why.

Praise Jack-Toro, praise them with great praise! Eglerio!

I'll get excited once the cameras start rolling
by finky089
Apr 25th, 2008
03:14:41 PM
until that point, anything could kill this production.

That said, I REALLY hope it does make it to production, because these film should KICK ASS!

Now get Martin Freeman to play Bilbo!
by TheNorthlander
Apr 25th, 2008
03:17:30 PM
Seriously.
Whoa...thank'ee kindly brokentusk!
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:28:26 PM
...on my way to theoneringnet right now!

AHHHH...thunk! McKellen confirmed to reprise Gandalf! Oh happy day!

Bisely's bible is out, he drew himself as the devil
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
03:29:25 PM
Tempting Jesus in the desert. But he's not up to his good old self, like when he did Slaine. Google it.
Bah, Martin Freeman!
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:30:11 PM
He's too, I dunno, plodgy or something. Just doesn't fit in my mind nicely. James McAvoy or nowt sez I!
Gervais was a joke
by Ohiofile
Apr 25th, 2008
03:32:12 PM
But that Martin Freeman idea is pretty good. Makes much more sense in a transition from him to Ian Holm than someone like McAvoy. Plus, he fits in better with the Hobbits as a whole. Back to Highmore though. He'll be 18/19 when cameras roll. McAvoy will be early thirties and Freeman will be about forty. How old, in human years, should Bilbo during this adventure?
Who the hell is Martin Freeman?
by toadkillerdog
Apr 25th, 2008
03:32:45 PM
Never heard of the dude. What has he been in?
This sure sounds like two movies to me...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:33:10 PM
GDT: "You know, I traveled to New Zealand just a little while ago, and one of the main reasons for going was to sit down and talk about the second film. ‘The Hobbit’, the book, is really one self-contained film, so for the second movie we sat down and worked it out. When we did this we got really excited because this second film is not a ‘tag on’, it’s not ‘filler’, it’s an integral part of telling the story of those 50 years of history lost in the narrative. There will be certain things that we will see from the first movie but from a different point of view, but it will feel like a volume, in the 5 volumes of the entire story. It will not feel like a bridge, I’ve been hearing it called ‘a bridge film’, it’s not, it’s an integral chapter of the story, and I think we’re all on the same page."

Movie One: The Hobbit

Movie Two: The Rise of the Shadow

Giamatti Baggins?! No way.
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
03:34:09 PM
Happy news, Morgoth, but with Giamatti i agree not. Haven't seen the role you refer too, but he just doesn't have the nobility of a Baggins, he's too ratty. And way too american.
McKellen back as Gandalf!! AWESOME!!!
by purplepurple
Apr 25th, 2008
03:35:42 PM
I cant stop using exclamation signs!!!
toadkillerdog...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:36:37 PM
Martin Freeman was Arthuer Dent in that awful (movie, certainly not the book) 'The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' movie and he was also in the original Britcom 'The Office.'
purplepurple!!!
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:37:34 PM
Me neither!!
Thanks morGoth
by toadkillerdog
Apr 25th, 2008
03:41:23 PM
I thought it might have been Morgan Freeman for a while there!
i'm guessing Bilbo should be in his 30ies
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
03:41:42 PM
in human age. What say the local Tolkien scholars?
so, will McKellen play Gandalf again??
by kafka07
Apr 25th, 2008
03:45:34 PM
And will other characters from LOTR be in the Hobbit besides Bilbo and Gandalf? I've never read the Hobbit.
GLAD IT'S NOT PETER JACKSON
by The Decider
Apr 25th, 2008
03:45:48 PM
LotR couldn't've been much worse given the resources at Hackson's disposal.
Shia as Gandolf!!!
by disfigurehead
Apr 25th, 2008
03:52:21 PM
hey, it could happen.
Aw c'mon pipergates..
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:53:52 PM
..."way too American?!!" Mellon, you disappoint me with your prejudice. So, I'm assuming you'll never watch 'John Adams' but if you did, the scene where Adams is alone in the not-quite-finished-Whitehouse and burning some papers, he comes off just like Holms in Fellowship. Anyway, vee shall see, yes?
Alan Lee will be back too!!
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
03:57:46 PM
Whoo-hoo! Looks like continuity will be maintained. Dammit people, get the Hell on over to theonering.net and read all about it. C'mon Harry, post a freakin' link to the article already (more exclamations)!!!
Yeah toadkillerdog...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:00:58 PM
...Morgan Freeman as...Bilbo Blackkinz, dam right. He's one bad Hobbit-mutha!
Man, I'm feelin' REAL good about this...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:05:38 PM
GDT: "What I’m trying to do is keep the elements in place but allow you to feel a progression from ‘The Hobbit’ until ‘The Return of the King’. I believe ‘The Hobbit’ is a very crucial volume in The Lord of the Rings, it is a narrative that starts out very much in an innocent and golden way. It is permeated from England going through World War One, so there is a loss of innocence and a darker tone as the book and the film progresses. We’ll be doing that in the first film, taking you from a time of more purity to a darker reality throughout the film, but I think that is in the spirit of the book."

Very, very good...the man obviously gets the book. People need to get over this "It's a kids story." attitude. Even Tolkien's kids gave him shit about the tone in the ealrier part of the book. Of course, if the movie stays with a narrator, it WILL have a more children oriented tone...wonder how that will be handled?

Pushing animatronic state of the art
by Shaner Jedi
Apr 25th, 2008
04:10:36 PM
I love that del Toro is talking about pushing animatronics into the future. It's about time that craft got a nice kick in the pants and moved forward. Everyone is obssessed with CG innovation and sometimes the combo animatronic/CG shows. That's all great but don't neglect the other crafts.
yeah that "chat" with Del Toro is golden
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:12:09 PM
Morgoth, nothing against americans, xcept the neocons. I just dont want any funny accents, cowboy elfs, snapping you out of the old britsh style world of Middle Earth.
kafka07...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:13:04 PM
The only characters from the Hobbit in LoTR are Bilbo, Gandalf, Elrond and the stone trolls you briefly glimpsed in Fellowship. Speculation for the second movie would also include Sauron (hinted at in the Hobbit as the Necromancer), Saruman, Galadriel and maybe Aragorn and Arwen. I predict a big battle scene at Dol Guldur.
"a more ‘golden’ world, a more wide-eyed world"
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:17:02 PM
he's got it. "a world that is part of the mythos of millions of people and we will approach it as passionately and respectfully as it needs to be taken." fair enough. sounds better than jackson & co already.
No Raimi = No Dance Scene = BOO!
by www.valiens.com
Apr 25th, 2008
04:17:09 PM
I was SO looking forward to a breakdown in the middle of the 5 hour Hobbit movie where they just let loose because the evil ring made them evil dance asexually. And then an homage to some of Raimi's other films. Plus, Bruce Campbell in an inconsequential elf cameo that makes us wish he were starring in the flick? Would have been priceless, I tells ya, priceless! Oh well. Guess the Mexican with artistic vision will have to do.
Wait, so it is "The Hobbit" and a "bridge movie?"
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
04:18:27 PM
What was with Yahoo's retraction claiming otherwise?
Lawks piper...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:19:03 PM
...and here I thought I was leaving {[:^) Surely you agree that Gimatti is a competent enough actor to pull off an English accent, yes? No, I don't want ANY modern day accents no matter the ethnic origin. Having Bilbo sound like a whiny So. Californian would be as bad as if he sounded like he was straight out of Hong Kong (no offence to any Chinese folk). Nah, it's got to be English accents all the way for continuity.
Who knows Ringbearer9...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:21:12 PM
...but I have a feeling we're in for a lot more confusion in the coming months, yes?

BTW, speak to DOT lately?

Animatronics, couldnt agree more.
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:21:13 PM
Del Toro is going the right way. After watching what he did with the Faun, with probably a pretty limited budget, i can picture true greatness from him, with unlimited Hollywood cash.
Good point Shaner
by eggart
Apr 25th, 2008
04:25:48 PM
CGI everything rarely holds together. Look at how the vagina faced vampires worked in Blade II. Pretty spiffy.
I agree piper...
by morGoth
Apr 25th, 2008
04:26:26 PM
...though delToro won't have to produce any oliphaunts, fighting trolls or Nazgul critters this time around. I'm quite sure (since Serkis seems to be coming back) Gollum will be given the same mocap treatment instead of being an animatronic. Should look even better this time around.

I find the whole sequence of the Hobbit and LoTR to be eerily similar to my experience. I was turned on to LoTR first and read the Hobbit afterwards. Heh, it's just another case of his-toe-ree repeating!

Giamatti sounding british?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:27:35 PM
as great an actor as he is...no, i doubt it. I think it would just be painful. Besides he doesn't look right. His voice doesn't sound right either.
Del Toro himself says it's two seperate stories ...
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
04:28:17 PM
Hobbit, and the years between Hobbit and Fellowship. I like that. He also talks about the world being more wide eyed and innocent in the Hobbit. I like that too. I'm not sure I like him saying that he'll show this by a more "golden palette". I hope that doesn't mean he's going to shoot it in his preferred Amber tint. Go for Technicolor PLEASE. Enough of this "tinted" look in films.
Morgoth, who is DOT ?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 25th, 2008
04:29:51 PM
Not ringing a bell ...
me too so sad Raimi didnt make dancing goth hobbit
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:30:10 PM
boohoo
think Smaug will be animatronic?
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:35:15 PM
and they still have to make Spiders, Eagles, Orcs, Trolls(long nosed), Beorn, and Vargs. Wonder how they would make Smaug's long neck if animatronic?
I'll call it now
by HarrysTitCheese
Apr 25th, 2008
04:37:30 PM
When the films come out, Fat Boy will be in a quandary. On one side PJ's dick, the other, GdT's dick. Whose to suck? Fattie will cop out and say both visions are special and cannot be compared. They will compliment one another. Suck two dicks at once, Harry. It's the only option you got.
watch theonering net spring back alive
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
04:48:05 PM
They must be so happy, they can even get some sponsors back now and make some money! Wonder if anything much has been happening there since the last film came out.
Watch out, Prossor!
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 25th, 2008
04:49:14 PM
I said the first flick was great until Boromir died, then the rest of the series was all downhill, and got called a troll and an asshole. Apparently you're only allowed to comment if you like stuff...
Hope they can fit Tom Bombadil in there
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
05:07:46 PM
sure missed him in Lotr. Old Man Willow too.
"I HAVEN'T seen PAN'S LABYRINTH... but I've seen the rest"
by MattmanReturns
Apr 25th, 2008
05:45:32 PM
That'd be like judging Peter Jackson based on everything he's made except Lord of the Rings. Del Toro is just now coming into his own... Pan's Labyrinth was, IMO, his first masterpiece. Even GOOD directors might never make a masterpiece, but Del Toro has. You owe it to yourself to see it.
final scene of Pan's weak?!that was pure beauty
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
06:28:21 PM
I liked Del Toro after Blade and Hellboy, havent seen the earlier ones yet, but Pan really opened my eyes to his storytelling abilities. That final scene was like the best fantasy Giiliam has ever made, and that is saying something.
interview with DelToro at Voices from Krypton
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
06:35:58 PM
There was a link to it at theonering.net : www.voicesfromkrypton.com /2008/04/index.html He speaks about buying the Hobbit and identifying with Bilbo. Guess he looks like a hobbit, like Jackson used to. He also speaks about his favorite characters from the book...
Pan's was a bit cold, agreed
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
06:42:06 PM
Maybe a bit too european for some americans in that way.
LordEnigma
by JediWuddayaknow
Apr 25th, 2008
06:59:48 PM
"Totally fucking forgotten to the winds of times :D! WOOOOOOO!!!" Really? Yeah you're right the story hasn't maintained a pretty steady popularity since the 1960's and didn't have ANY affect on the world of cinema at all. Dumb fuck troll.
Union Jackass
by Vern
Apr 25th, 2008
07:00:54 PM
I don't know if you're a young guy that doesn't remember this far back or something but lots of people loved Peter Jackson before he did LORD OF THE RINGS. That's why they were excited when he signed up to do it. HEAVENLY CREATURES is great, BAD TASTE is hilarious and I know people who still hold Roger Ebert's 1 star (or was it no star?) review of THE FRIGHTENERS against him. Most of all people used to love MEET THE FEEBLES and especially BRAINDEAD/DEAD ALIVE which I think are a little overrated myself but show the great imagination that led to these later big budget movies.
The fact anyone can think this is a bad choice...
by quantize
Apr 25th, 2008
07:56:33 PM
proves the general low level of taste and intelligence.. The guy is fucking MADE for this...easily more than Jackson EVER was. wake the fuck up you hyper tards
not bad, soylentmean
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:00:49 PM
wouldnt mind a hint of a dragons flame too
I'd suspect Jackson wants a break from the Mythology
by Avon
Apr 25th, 2008
08:03:58 PM
...the massiveness of it and to pursue alternate artistic endeavours. Should be good news for everybody... still waiting for 'Lovely Bones'.
and gandalf blowing some smokerings
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:04:34 PM
like McKellen, i prefer Gandalf the Gray
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:08:03 PM
he said something like Gandalf the White was too high and mighty. Im very glad he will be back in his pointed hat in his more dwn to MiddleEarth-persona.
though he might really prefer Gandalf the gay
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:10:38 PM
ehem
He is 100% right for this
by performingmonkey
Apr 25th, 2008
08:12:53 PM
In many ways there is MORE general fantasy kickass-ery in The Hobbit than in LOTR. Like you wouldn't have a huge talking dragon or talking trolls in LOTR but both of those are in The Hobbit (both actually appear in FOTR in some form, the firework at the start represents Smaug the dragon and the trolls are there as stone statues, which is what happens when sunlight hits them). The elves and dwarves in The Hobbit are way more generic than the very real feeling races they became in LOTR and his expanded writings. Del Toro is definitely the right guy to handle all of this. There's no fear of him delivering a half-assed effort, that's for sure.
dont worry about continuity, go to theoneringnet
by pipergates
Apr 25th, 2008
08:41:02 PM
read what Del Toro has to say about maintaining the universe Jackson created. And the whole crew that created it is going to be working with him.
I SECOND MARTIN FREEMAN!!!
by elvenblade
Apr 25th, 2008
09:21:19 PM
He's got the perfect clueless yet charming adventurer face. I think James McAvoy is too much of a pretty boy for Bilbo myself...
I am also wondering
by NubtheSquirrel
Apr 25th, 2008
09:34:04 PM
Will Andy Serkis come back as Gollum or will Del Toro turn to Doug Jones to do the body work. Too many questions that need to be answered.
Here's a shitstorm
by krushjudgement
Apr 25th, 2008
11:42:15 PM
I think Pan's Labyrinth is an overrated piece of garbage with some good special effects on top.
Not a bad decision on Peter's part
by Teddy Artery
Apr 26th, 2008
01:55:57 AM
"Guillermo, remind me... why is everyone speaking Spanish in Middle-Earth?"
CUNTHAM SNITCHWALKER IS A COCK KNOCKER
by suit and tie
Apr 26th, 2008
02:24:06 AM
HE IS AND AIDES INFECTED FUCK HOLE OF A SEMINAL SEWER WHO SPEWS SHIT IN EVERY TALKBACK BECAUSE EVERY PERSON HE MET IN REAL LIFE RECOCNIZE IT AS FAGGOT TRANNY COCKSMOKER THAT IS INSANE BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF DICK IN IT'S MOUTH CUT OFF THE SUPPLY OF AIR TO ITS DOUCHEBAG BRAIN. KILL YOURSELF FUCKTARD YOU SERVE NO PURPOSE BUT TO TAKE MY COCK IN THE BROWNEYE SHIT FUCK CUNT.
all Suite and Tie...
by quantize
Apr 26th, 2008
03:43:39 AM
...and no class! :-P
watch it igotbigballs...
by just pillow talk
Apr 26th, 2008
08:40:38 AM
Queefer will crush your nut sacks against a brick wall, or maybe drop a concrete block on them. He's fucking insane in the membrane.
Material for the Second Movie...
by fishface
Apr 26th, 2008
09:37:00 AM
If they take the rise and defeat of the Witch King in Dol Guldur in Mirkwood, where the white council banded together to drive him out, you could have a pretty kick-ass wizard's-centric movie. This was barely touched on by Tolkien in the Hobbit, but it could make for a pretty exciting 2 hours of film.
Sauron is the one in Mirkwood
by performingmonkey
Apr 26th, 2008
09:58:33 AM
It's Sauron, not the Witch-king, who's holed up in the fortress of Dol Guldur during the events of The Hobbit. But Gandalf, Saruman and co don't know he's back yet, they just know some dude called the Necromancer is at large. Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur gets captured and thrown in the dungeons. It's then that he realises that the Necromancer is really Sauron who has returned. The second movie could be called The White Council or something and they need Mckellen, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett and Hugo Weaving back.
Agreed, performingmonkey...
by fishface
Apr 26th, 2008
10:12:36 AM
And it would be one helluva ride. Tolkien didn't write a whole lot about the Wizards (Maia?) But it seems spot on for a sequel that could bridge both.
The only change in Tolkien's Timeline
by fishface
Apr 26th, 2008
10:19:46 AM
Would put those events involving the Necromancer AFTER the Battle of the Five Armies. So they woudl have to explain Gandalf's absence, unless they spend time foreshadowing (Having him captured, then escaping), leaving the dealing with the reborn Sauron for the entirety of the second movie. Would be easier just to unplug the whole thing, and put it in the second movie, maybe leaving some sort of allusion to the next movie at the end of The Hobbit. MAN! I hope that is it, would be nice if it got traction in the rumor mill.
Guy singing in this video to play young Bilbo
by Behemoth
Apr 26th, 2008
10:34:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =eWF1MioHo4U
Let's try that link again...
by Behemoth
Apr 26th, 2008
10:36:37 AM
http://tinyurl.com/4otcsf
The White Council/Necromancer idea
by purplepurple
Apr 26th, 2008
11:29:22 AM
That would be awesome beyond belief for the "dreaded" bridge movie. Darker stuff and Wizards = Cool in my book. I wonder though if Christopher Lee would want to come back after what seemed like a messy separation with Peter and Co...
What the hell is the second film gonna be about
by The_Squid
Apr 26th, 2008
12:38:03 PM
I know a lot of stuff goes on between the hobbit and LOTR, but can you really throw it all together into one cohesive story.
Ron perlman
by SpikedBuffy
Apr 26th, 2008
12:47:51 PM
Ron Perlman should definately play beorn
Dead Alive =piece of shit
by Broseph
Apr 26th, 2008
01:18:50 PM
Fuck that movie sucked.it's still hard to beleive pj made that
THIS'LL draw the Star Wars goobers:
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
Apr 26th, 2008
02:04:59 PM
JAKE LLOYD FOR BILBO. There. That oughta do it.
Smog the dragon? You mean Smog the magic dragon?
by pipergates
Apr 26th, 2008
02:07:17 PM
Thats funny
With that announcement, not sure two films a good idea
by AntoniusBloc
Apr 26th, 2008
02:22:57 PM
Prequels haven't turned out very well, but at least the Hobbit stands alone as a story, directed more towards children than LOTR. Does Tolkien himself provide enough writing to make a movie, and more importantly, a movie worth watching. As far as I'm conerned, the success of the LOTR films had a lot to do with PJ but even more to do with Tolkien himself. Kind of hope the Tolkien estate pulls the plug and gets some new blood to work on future Tolkien films, and possibly remake LOTR.
The White Council/ Necromancer idea.
by fishface
Apr 26th, 2008
02:35:45 PM
It would shock me if it hasn't been pitched, especially given the guy is called the Necromancer for a reason. Undead hordes and goblins versus elves in Mirkwood, with the White Council in to assault the tower in a climatic final battle? Gold, pure gold. And we get to know Sauron isn't defeated and will only get stronger. Anyone have a direct line to Del Toro? Seems tailor made for him...
Del Toro quoted at Cannes 2006:
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 26th, 2008
02:44:57 PM
"I was never into heroic fantasy. At all. I don't like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits -- I've never been into that at all. I don't like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff."
James McAvoy for Bilbo
by Epleterte
Apr 26th, 2008
02:50:49 PM
You know it.
and
by Epleterte
Apr 26th, 2008
02:52:20 PM
keep Ron Perlman the fuck away from this.
Queefer
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
Apr 26th, 2008
06:20:18 PM
Queefer, MK II
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
Apr 26th, 2008
06:21:27 PM
............Anybody else here get the feeling that Queefer is actually the Angriest Lesbian In The World?
GDT developing Doctor Strange @ Marvel?
by Calico Pete
Apr 26th, 2008
06:23:14 PM
is this true?
"The Angriest Lesbian In The World"
by Half-Baked-Goggle-Box-Do-Gooder
Apr 26th, 2008
06:25:37 PM
Come to think of it, that wouldn't be a bad user ID. It's all yours, KB.
Murder! Death! Kill!
by occula
Apr 26th, 2008
10:26:30 PM
i am emerging from a literal black hole because this is the only news that can shake me from my work coma. wahooo, i say, wahoooooo!!!

i know PJ is making 'lovely bones' (boring) and 'tintin' (potentially lame) but maybe this will mean he gets to then concentrate on 'temeraire', which will be fucking awesome. just wait.

hey gents! hope everybody's doin well!

'temeraire'
by SpikedBuffy
Apr 27th, 2008
12:44:03 AM
will be sic.
Fingers Crossed...
by The Grug
Apr 27th, 2008
03:50:18 AM
that he makes it more Pan's Labyrinth than Hellboy... fingers very firmly crossed.
Dwarf tossing
by JButlersRevenge
Apr 27th, 2008
07:32:13 AM
I'd like like to see PJ remake the amoured car scene from Robocop. "Can you fly Gimli?"
armoured car scene
by JButlersRevenge
Apr 27th, 2008
07:53:04 AM
sorry...
i bet Del Toro wont misty-eyed overdose like PJ
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
08:52:50 AM
he handled that little girl in Pan's just perfectly.
Kwizatzhaderach, is that quote from Del Toro for real?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 27th, 2008
08:53:15 AM
Oh, Fuck. (sigh).
Does Del Toro even care about Hellboy then?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 27th, 2008
08:58:20 AM
Or is he just "going along to get along" on that as well?
"More Pan's than Hellboy"
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
09:15:52 AM
Grug, i bet he will. But like somebody said earlier, Hellboy has a lot of heart and Pan's is a bit cold. What i've seen of his work so far gives me confidence he knows The Hobbit needs a lot of heart, as well as magic. I would have hoped for Cuaron on this, for the qualities he shoved in Potter (his was the best) and Children of Men; the magic and wonder, the journey of discovery, the depth of characters. But my only worry with Del Toro is that he might go too creepy. Jackson did too at times, his orcs looked more like zombies than creatures of fairy-tales. Good thing the troll Del Toro made for Hellboy 2 looks much more real and all-age friendly than the undefined cave monster "troll" PJ made in Moria. Seems to me like Del Toro is better versed in mythology, PJ just likes ugly scary monsters, Del Toro likes all kinds of creatures. But to make the best troll they really should look up the drawings of Kittelsen.
Um, Everyone Knows Del Toro Hates Fantasy, Right?
by Captain Mal
Apr 27th, 2008
09:22:42 AM
And Hobbits specifically? Here's a direct quote:

“I was never into heroic fantasy. At all. I don’t like little guys and dragons, hairy feet, hobbits — I’ve never been into that at all. I don’t like sword and sorcery, I hate all that stuff.”

That quote is referenced here: http://tinyurl.com/4kq86g (among other places). So, uh, why is this guy making "The Hobbit," then?

that "quote" from Kwizatzhaderach=april's fools
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
09:23:53 AM
Theres an interview on theoneringnet, and they have a link to a sound inteview on "voices from krypton" where Del Toro talks about buying The Hobbit at age eleven and identifying with Bilbo, and a lot of obvious love for the story. His favorites scenes are the ones with the Spiders of Mirkwood and Smaug.
he talks about rejecting several lucrative franchises
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
09:30:12 AM
Potter must be one of those. But that this one is a dream project.
Wrong, Pipergates
by Captain Mal
Apr 27th, 2008
11:05:12 AM
That Quote comes from Salon.com, when Andrew O'Hehir asked Del Toro about the influences of Tolkien and Lewis on his own work. The link to the interview is here: http://tinyurl.com/6dq8o3

Del Toro says he had affection for Lewis' work when he was young (though not anymore), but that he never liked Tolkien's stuff. In fact, he blatantly uses the word "hate."

The "quote"
by rbatty024
Apr 27th, 2008
11:15:32 AM
I read the same Salon.com article. It's an interesting contrary take on Del Toro and The Hobbit. Basically, he says that Del Toro making the Hobbit will keep him from doing some truly creative and original work like The Mountains of Madness. He also says that it sounds like the work of Peter Jackson delegating the same way Lucas does. I would recommend reading the article in the above link.

Personally, I like the concept of Del Toro taking over The Hobbit. It's a different book with a different voice and style. I think Del Toro needs to take a child's eye view of the quest.

Doug Jones for Tom Bombadil
by FILMFUNK
Apr 27th, 2008
12:03:37 PM
there's plenty fucking material to make 2 movies what with stuff like the Barrow wytes and Bombadil they cut from Rings or is that in the Hobbit anyway frickin A

and deffo Pearlman for Smaug!

Goddamn it. So Jackson picked Del Toro because he ALSO Hates Tol
by Ringwearer9
Apr 27th, 2008
01:02:14 PM
Is it too much to ask to find someone who LOVES Tolkien, and Dragons, and Magic? Not just willing to give the world a "golden" look (which is just applying Del Toro's favorite tint to the Hobbit, not being loyal to the feel of that world). Fuck me.
"quote" ...somebody is lying
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
01:22:16 PM
I sure hope its not Del Toro. But he does talk, clearly audibly Del Toro himself, about his love for the Hobbit. If he was hollywood-bullshitting at one point it had better been on the other occasion. Link: www.voicesfromkrypton.com/20 08/04/exclusive-inter.html#mor e
I hope it's not Del Toro that's lying.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 27th, 2008
01:47:00 PM
Here's his audio comments about loving The Hobbit when he was 11. http://tinyurl.com/4lgsnk I like his take on it, about it being about Bilbo growing up, learning about life and death. But those Salon.com comments really bother me. Sure, he may have loved it when he was 11, but does he now? He actually SAYS that he HATES hobbits and dragons! That directly contradicts what he says in the interview (one week before he hopes to be signed on to the Hobbit) where he says his favorite parts are Smaug and the Mirkwood Spiders.
a bit worried
by THE KNIGHT
Apr 27th, 2008
04:00:41 PM
About Del Toro's negative comments toward hating fantasy. O_o
here he says he doesnt like cheap fantasy
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
04:25:29 PM
I wonder if that's what he talked about in that other supposed interview. From theoneringnet: " At the age of 11 I read THE HOBBIT and it enchanted me as only a classic Fairy Tale can- it had enough darkness and dread and emotion to make a profound impression that lasted me until now. Beorn, Mirkwood, the Wargs, Smaug, the Riddles in the Dark, they all lived in me... Nevertheless at that early age, the rest of Tolkien proved to contain Geography and Genealogy that proved too complex for my prepubescent brain... I was never propelled into an aleatory addiction to sub-genres like Sword & Sorcery or indiscriminate fantasies about magical this or that- Like any other genre or subgenre there's a great abundance that makes it hard to discern when a new "trilogy" or "chronicle" comes from as genuine a place as Tolkien's did or form a genuine fervor -religious or otherwise- like C.S. Lewis did."
re "the quote"
by DocPazuzu
Apr 27th, 2008
05:07:59 PM
Please consider the quote in relation to virtually every piece of cinema Del Toro has ever been involved in. The only example I can think of where fantasy didn't play any part is Mimic, and even that one had giant, human-imitating bugs.

There are really only two viable explanations for his quote:

1) That he's referring to the deluge of rote fantasy flooding pop culture today.

2) That he is so cynical that he makes nothing but good to great fantasy movies even though he hates the genre with a passion.

Honestly, Del Toro saying he "hates" fantasy is about as valid as John Ford saying he "hated" westerns.

I know this quote is making Ringy cream his panties since he now thinks he has the argumentative hook required to vindicate everything he at this very moment is planning to hate about the new movies.

This is your brain. This is your brain after listening to Ringy.

*points to blob of cold oatmeal on the floor*

Just say no, kiddies.

Perlman
by DocPazuzu
Apr 27th, 2008
05:21:55 PM
It's a crime if he doesn't voice Smaug. Imagine his sonorous (and a wee bit enhanced) voice coming from the coolest looking dragon in cinema history.

Rhys-Davies voiced Treebeard as well as playing Gimli so by all means let Perlman play Beorn too.

Ron Perlman as Beorn
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 27th, 2008
05:44:57 PM
Genius.
Thank you, Pipergates. That clears it up.
by Ringwearer9
Apr 27th, 2008
07:08:59 PM
I think I'm officially back on the "Happy it's Del Toro directing" bandwagon. Sorry, DocPazuzu.
Harry should ask DelToro about that supposed quote
by pipergates
Apr 27th, 2008
08:11:53 PM
Since he's supposed to be so friendly with him. But yeah i bet it's taken out of context or fabricated. Smaug's voice must be done by Jeremy Irons, or Christopher Lee.
Del Toro called Hobbits "bitter"
by BrandLoyalist
Apr 27th, 2008
08:54:39 PM
Deliver he will - we are ALL SET.
i just watched 54 hours of hobbit on
by yeuxdesoir
Apr 28th, 2008
02:15:18 AM
cable tv. not the extended versions either, just commercials :) we all know jackson can create a fantasy world and he has shown it. however, no matter what he isnt coming back. the next best choice is del toro for high fantasy unless you want another fucking narnia. del toro created his own fantasy project (pan's labrynth). he wrote the thing himself and it has become a recent classic. as much as i love raimi (and not capitalization) i just think del toro is better for high fantasy. on another note, raimi made spiderman his own because it was his style of story telling. if you think he sold out go back and watch all of his classics.
a whole cup full of crazy went in to this TB
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
04:07:44 AM
Queefer you are one crazy geek. Just relax, have a spliff and it will all be ok.

Ringy- I know that you play the loserish game with the dice, but I bet you also dress up like an elf and prance about in the countryside waving a cardboard sword screaming "I am ringwearer, mighty impaler of virgins" while the world laughs.

That quote is obviously a joke.

Queefer aka "Q"
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
07:19:18 AM
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise that you're not the biggest bad ass on the planet.
4th Biggest
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
08:07:12 AM
unfortunately he is out-badassed by 2true, Burt Gummer and Ash.

When he takes down a graboid with a #2 pencil and screams "Hail to the king" then he might make it.

He's got a lot of pent up aggression, just lacks finesse.

ah, but Jarv, that's not the point..
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
09:03:08 AM
Regardless of if he is or is not the biggest bad ass, I would like to have Q at least think he is. More hi-jinks to ensue that way I think.
Andybody see the office the other day.
by Cotton McKnight
Apr 28th, 2008
09:32:39 AM
I thought it was hysterical when Dwight referred to the short guy as someone from the Tolkien universe.
oh yeah and for crying out loud, get ILM
by Cotton McKnight
Apr 28th, 2008
09:34:46 AM
to do this. In case my subject got cut off, I said I.L.M. "Weta" is garbage. Wanna know how I know? Because everything they make is drab and in shades of gray. Or take place in the rain. That happens to mask the poor visual effects. The Hobbit takes place when things are cool in middle earth, relatively speaking. It should be a brighter movie. At least as it opens.
I think his self-esteem is already that high
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
09:37:42 AM
because we all know that he could beat anyone in a fight, drink us all under the table AND fuck any woman on the planet.

Shit, men want to be him, and women just want him.

I know why it's raining here...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
09:40:50 AM
cause Q is angry and makes the world drab and in shades of gray.
That would explain why it is sunny here
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
09:44:27 AM
because his anger caused all the clouds to gather in one fuck off storm in America,
one would think he would be sunny here...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
09:45:56 AM
since I have spread the word of his bad-assery through multiple threads.

I just mentioned his awesomeness in the Burton thread.

It is worth commenting on
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
09:50:21 AM
He's a more diluted version of 2true.

True only pitches up every now and again to vent his rage and spread fear amongst the TB herd. But Judge Bukake is here every day upholding "the law".

what Burton thread?
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
09:51:56 AM
Tim Burton thread...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
10:22:06 AM
And I guess where 2for2true is a God, the Q is the messenger. He's here everyday spreading the law.
heh
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
10:30:34 AM
this is Lord Q from the Jolie thread:

"Not even if she came up to me with her big pouty lips and said "fuck me, cowboy," then bent over in front of me. I mean, I'd probably lacerate my thighs on her protruding tail bone. Besides, can she even support the weight of those lips these days, without a back brace or something?"

Just wow. One angry dude.

Holy Q is the master of eloquence
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
10:36:08 AM
I'll have to hop into the thread now and witness that post with my very own eyes...
I still can't find the burton thread
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
10:39:49 AM
but his post in the Heston Obit was pretty cold.

He's not my hero anymore.

holy fuck
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
10:40:58 AM
What's even more unbelievable is that Master Q didn't fell this heathen after these words from YakMalla:

"With a username like that, I'm guessing heterosexual vaginal intercourse isn't exactly your thing."

Does YakMalla not know that High Q (heh-heh) will smite his ball sack with a brick?

it's here...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
10:42:26 AM
Burton thread: http://www.aintitcool.com/node /34805

I don't think he posted there, but the word of High Q must be spread.

ah- You'd been on an orcus-type quest around
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
10:47:02 AM
the timelines.

I do that to read some of the epic TB wars.

I almost miss m-o-m, but at least Ringy is coming back to the boil.

Sigh, you don't get proper trolls anymore, you just get vomit inducing fuckmonkeys.

Although I think I have now trained braffed. Which should win me a nobel prize.

yes, I go to and fro a bit...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
10:53:53 AM
Which Heston Obit you talking about? I remember there was two, one of which I scanned quickly and didn't see his post.

Yes, the ilk that is around now is utterly pathetic and just plain annoying as fuck.

Now if glovedone doesn't revert back to his usual form, your nobel prize will be in the mail.

C'MON!
by BigCZee
Apr 28th, 2008
10:54:20 AM
To hell with the fucking hobbits! Lets get At The Mountains of Madness up and running!
The post went something along the lines of
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
10:58:32 AM
Yippeee- Heston dies and I won 55 dollars.

It was a bit cold- the dude did make Planet of The Apes.

on a different note
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
11:02:01 AM
I think my current favourite poster is BASTARD SON OF SUPERMAN.

Not only is it a great handle that nails the flaws of that shocker, but his appearance with a plaintive one line "anyone seen my dad" in every thread is fucking poetry.

found it...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
11:03:01 AM
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! by Queefer Bukkake Apr 6th, 2008 01:32:53 AM I just won the Dead Celebrity lottery at work! I picked Charlton Heston as the next celeb to die and he just did it! Thank you, Charles! Thank you for dying so that I can win 55 dollars! It is truly a great day.

Q = class

My least favourite poster
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
11:03:31 AM
is that cunt Mcfly.

Trollish twat that repeated ad nauseum an unfunny joke of mine, calls me out in every post and whines because he doesn't get what he percieves as his due recognition.

A pox on the tosser. I'm going home to sacrifice a cat and call the holy trinity into action.

hah, I saw that dude's posts too....
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
11:03:56 AM
I found it very amusing as well, and I'm sure it drives the pro-superman returns camp crazy...
He is one classy motherfucker
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
11:04:26 AM
but his Tuxedo is in the cleaners at the moment, so he's a bit off form.
yeah, I sent a few posts to Mcfly...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
11:05:00 AM
Later dude.
see you tomorrow.
by Lost Jarv
Apr 28th, 2008
11:09:57 AM
Hopefully there will be some actual news.
probably not...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
11:12:46 AM
As long as Q keeps posting, AICN will continue to survive.
"Weta is garbage."
by DocPazuzu
Apr 28th, 2008
12:22:29 PM
Cotton McKnight = massive online fail.
if Coitton McKnight disturbs you so, DocP...
by just pillow talk
Apr 28th, 2008
12:33:29 PM
We can send Queefer Bukkake over and take him out.
xi, my man
by occula
Apr 28th, 2008
12:36:15 PM
dewd, i have been in the weeds. actually i still am. house renovation project that is kicking my ass. i shall prevail! picked up any shorties on your ducati lately?
gotham_night
by DocPazuzu
Apr 28th, 2008
04:17:50 PM
Which monsters looked like shit?
yeah right weta "suffered" for kong
by slappy jones
Apr 28th, 2008
04:51:33 PM
first of all they had to handle the pain of another oscar and then they suffered the indignity of being selected to handle the effects on james camerons return to feature film work. I bet they can still feel the sting of all the suffering. you fucking bellend. and while I grant you the bronto stampeded was a little dodgy all your other exampels are bullshit. and I would allow one hundred dodgy bronto effects in return for the character of kong. who is the single best CGI effect ever created. fuck davy jones...fuck gollum. the kong character was and still is fucking amazing.
Other Good Smaug Voices...
by NoHubris
Apr 28th, 2008
05:36:44 PM
...are Peter Cullen (e.g. Transformers), Hugo Weaving, or Vin Diesel (e.g. Iron Giant voice.).
gotham_night
by DocPazuzu
Apr 28th, 2008
07:39:43 PM
Yes, the bronto stampede was less than excellent, but the rest of those examples are anything but shit. The CGI in Kong was 90-95% fan-fucking-tastic, no matter what you thought of the movie as a whole.
DocPazuzu, do you really love Jackson's Kong that much?
by Ringwearer9
Apr 28th, 2008
10:01:39 PM
The insects in the Pit scenes were awful. The only good looking thing in the pit were the shiny fleshy toothy worms, because CGI has an easier time with shiny wet surfaces, because they are less complicated. Pretty much every other animal in the movie was colored GREY because cheap CGI couldn't then, (and can't yet) convincingly handle daylight (though George Lucas spared no expense in trying to make smooth-skinned Jar-Jar do it, and mostly succeeded).

And the Stampeding Brontos weren't the only poorly handled effects. King Kong's animation made him look like a small monkey swinging on a jungle gym, not a Massive Monster (just look at the scene where he lightly flips out of sight of Anne along a cliff, not to mention his long-jumping acrobatics across the cliff to the native's wall). And did you really think Anne Darrow vs. the Centipedes was realistically choreographed? Did she really seem to be in the same space as those things? Did you really buy the Grey T-Rexes swinging on vines, and think the looked really good? As many have pointed out, the T-Rex from Jurassic Park was way more convincing an effect, despite being years earlier.
Shit, we've pissed him off
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
02:28:11 AM
cue one razor wire armed "angry god" although I'm still certain he's really the divine messenger from the Holy Church of Chang.
hmmmm, monkey steaks
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
03:26:22 AM
sounds nice.

I fucking loathed Kong- had 2 goes at watching it and didn't even get to Skull Island.

It seemed like fucking DAYS passed- why make a film called KONG and not introduce the monkey unti your audience is nearly dead from boredom. Don't they know we can simply turn it off and return the DVD.

On a different note, I bought a pirate copy of Kong, got it home and was overjoyed to discover that it was some piece of shit from the 70's called KONG LIVES! which came complete with an opening sequence of Kong being gunned down by Apache Helicopters that had me in tears. I think Jeff Bridges was in it.

An awesomely terrible movie that was about a billion times more enjoyable than Jackson's bloated fiasco

and to the Warciples
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
05:41:04 AM
The holy scriptures are now significantly bigger and have a genesis section and a revelation section.

I have included the writings of the prophet Q in them, and I'l get them out to you as soon as I can.

Something I've never understood
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
06:34:16 AM
isn't kong basically a monster movie about a big fucking ape? If so, why are we meant to love the monkey?

I don't want to see Kong ice dancing thank you very much.

ha! Call Q and he appears!
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
06:48:41 AM
Make sure you scratch my left nut with your razor wire Q, I've got an itch there.
that does mean he's a messenger..
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
06:49:12 AM
and not a God like 2for2true is.
and Kong sucked
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
06:50:38 AM
The holy scriptures are going to be required reading in all grammar schools across the world. Call it a hunch.
He's one angry dude.
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
07:23:55 AM
He's llke the metatron that spontaneously bursts into flame to give voice to the desires of the Holy Trinity
but if we can harness such anger...
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
07:43:56 AM
It can be used to further the goals of the Church of Chang. A war is coming...
Yes, we must make sure he focuses his rage
by Lost Jarv
Apr 29th, 2008
07:51:58 AM
on the shitheels and TB flotsam.

The lights are going out and we may not see them lit again in our time.

The Queefinator can't be stopped
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
08:37:39 AM
The Q should be unleashed upon the Jeff Albertsons, the Gotham Nights, the McFlys of the talkback world.

There was just a collective shudder from the troll underworld...

Ian McShane as Smaug,
by smddoc
Apr 29th, 2008
09:15:09 AM
Ian McShane would be my perfect casting choice for Smaug. They could even use some of his facial features for the creature design. He kinda has a face like a dragon. He sounds intelligent, and cruel and heartless. While I'ma t it I'd also like to see Paul Giamatti for Bilbo. He just looks like a hobbit to me and is a great actor.
Queefer would grab Smaug's tail by shoving
by just pillow talk
Apr 29th, 2008
09:25:09 AM
his hand down his throat and turning him inside out. Dragons ain't got shit on the Q.
Hah! Thank'ee kindly smddoc...
by morGoth
Apr 29th, 2008
11:36:01 AM
...another plug for Giamatti Baggins!
"If you don't think [Peter] did a fabulous job...
by morGoth
Apr 29th, 2008
11:41:58 AM
...very likely you won't think I will. If you think he did, I will do my best to make you proud of me." So says the man delToro hisself (mtv.com). So, get on with yer hatin' haters and if you felt Jackson's LotR was a waste of time then what are you doing here? Wow, delToro is sure saying all the right things for this fan.

And just for the record, Jackson's Kong was the best CGI character ever put on film. Even better than ol' Gollum.

I prefer Frank Miller's version of The Hobbit
by berserkrl
Apr 29th, 2008
02:32:51 PM
as seen here: http://praxeology.net/hobbit- miller.htm
Re: I prefer Frank Miller's version of The Hobbit
by berserkrl
Apr 29th, 2008
02:33:25 PM
(remove the space)
I dunno, I kinda liked Kong.
by morGoth
Apr 29th, 2008
04:37:35 PM
The only thing (other than the length) that truly botherd me was the damned slow-mo shots. I think most who hate on it were just ready to hate anything Jackson did at that point. But then, this IS AICN and hyperbole rules the day...like the way overusd term "fiasco."
NOT Ron Pearlman
by spix14
Apr 30th, 2008
05:13:55 AM
Please, not Ron as the voice of Smaug. Ron doesn't have that sense of menace and long years in his voice. Sounds too young to me. Remember, Smaug is OLD. Someone hit the nail on the head when they said Jeremy Irons. His voice has that perfect sinister villain feel to it.
Nope, I hated it because it was boring
by Lost Jarv
Apr 30th, 2008
05:18:15 AM
and hyperbole is the AICN way.
Not Jeremy Irons
by DocPazuzu
Apr 30th, 2008
05:33:14 AM
He's too easily recognizable and already has classic voice work which would be hard to look past. Ian McShane is a good suggestion.

Ringy, I actually felt ten years shaved off my life when I read your tired post. There are so many things wrong with it and it exemplifies exactly what's so fundamentally flawed in every bit of film criticism you have ever delivered on these hallowed boards. I can't be bothered to address them at this point since I'm too tired and this TB is on it's way off the front page. Rest assured, however, that I'll address them at a future opportunity if you should mention them again.

I second That
by Lost Jarv
Apr 30th, 2008
06:10:08 AM
no to Jeremy Irons- He's done way too much recognisable voice work. It would be as risible as having Sean Connery voice a dragon.

McShane is a cracking suggestion.

Not bad Doc, not bad...
by morGoth
Apr 30th, 2008
11:26:02 AM
...and Ian McShane can certainly ooze evil from a character (Deadwood). I was thinking Martin Shaw as he'd done some great work on the audio book of The Silmarillion. Of course, every time I mention his name to a Brit they just roll their eyes for some reason. I agree, Irons, while having an excellent timbre to his voice, would be too recognizable.

On another note Doc, the old LoTR days at AICN saw many posters hanging around the TB's weeks after they'd been posted...similiar to what you see on some TB's today. They were fun after the trolls lost interest and went away. I suspect R9 will crash any of those.

Boring to one...
by morGoth
Apr 30th, 2008
11:31:55 AM
...may not mean boring to another.

Yeah, hyperbole, like I said.

It must be acknowledged that, like familiarity, success can also breed contempt. Jackson was/is subject to that phenom. A large part of the Kong criticism would've been given a pass if it had been to the taste of those giving the critique. "Not my genre!" as the Kitchen Sisters said.

berserkrl Millers Hobbit
by smddoc
Apr 30th, 2008
11:45:44 AM
As a huge fan of Millers work...that was some funny shit !

by CRanapia
May 1st, 2008
07:31:24 AM
No, Harry, what would fucking rock would be Del Toro bringing his own remarkable sensibility rather than spending four years joining PJ in banging this tired old corpse.
morGoth
by DocPazuzu
May 1st, 2008
07:58:46 AM
I can't take the credit for the McShane suggestion. Another talkbacker higher up in the TB brought up his name.
James Brown for Smaug
by henrydalton
May 1st, 2008
08:08:28 AM
DAAAAAAAAAAAAMNNNN!!!!!
Ah, so I see Doc...
by morGoth
May 1st, 2008
11:20:31 AM
...smddoc is close enough to yours that my peepers didn't pick up the difference.
Ringwearer9...
by morGoth
May 1st, 2008
11:21:48 AM
...DOT = DaughterOfTime.
Morgoth ...
by NoDiggity
May 3rd, 2008
01:19:29 AM
... WHO ?
Avery Brooks for Smaug's voice
by Dingbatty
May 3rd, 2008
04:23:36 AM
Ah, the indignant stamp of a Tailender's walker
by Rocco Curioso
May 3rd, 2008
08:51:30 AM
"Billy... where's Grandpa's copy of The SimariLlion?"

"In your left hand, Gramps... where it's been for the past decade."

"Billy... did Peter Jackson reply to my telegram yet?"

"We have email now, Gramps. Get with the program."

"Billy, Grandpa has to make a stinky!"

"Well Gramps, that's what the Metamucil and the homing beacon on your walker are for."

I don't know which I loathe more: old people who cling to antiquated children's books, or antiquated people who cling to old children's books.

"Billy... what time is The Lawrence Welk Show on?"

"He's dead, Gramps... as I wish you were."

Martin Freeman and Paul Giamatti
by irritable
May 3rd, 2008
10:20:22 AM
look a lot like John Howe's pictures of Bilbo. Going in a different direction, Joseph Gordon-Leavitt (Mysterious Skin, Brick, Lookout etc) could do a great job. Ian McShane is a terrific old ham with a great voice, but an actor with a high sliminess factor (thinking Malkovich or Spader) would be fun for Smaug.
Today Rocco learned to spell a NEW word…
by morGoth
May 5th, 2008
12:57:06 PM
…R-I-T-A-L-I-N. How proud he was that his favorite red crayon could make such big letters. Now, just as soon as that other testicle dropped, he’d march right up to those Stuffy Tailenders and DEMAND their attention. Sadly, he was once again distracted by that thing in the store window. It had that, that…uh-uh…WORD on the front…if only he could do the sound-picture again he might get it. Why can’t ALL paper pads have the little soft button pictures you pushed to make the sound? HAH…uh…HAH…BAH…uh…BU H.

The angry book store owner ran out and slapped the kid one more time yelling, “It’s a BOOK you imbecile! It’s called The Hobbit!”

four years of talkbacks like this...
by pipergates
May 6th, 2008
11:00:34 PM
mamma mia
Now piper...
by morGoth
May 8th, 2008
11:52:27 AM
...compared to some other subject TB's this is pretty tame. Nonetheless, I will do my part to refrain from being baited into retaliatory flaming.

Pretty funny since 95% of the Tailenders are all in their twenties. Hey, why let facts get in the way of a mindless flamefest?

No...
by morGoth
May 8th, 2008
02:25:24 PM
...bickering Old Farts {[:^)

25% Part II? Is that New Math?

BTW folks...
by morGoth
May 8th, 2008
02:31:47 PM
...a Talkback officially becomes a Tailend Talkback as soon as it's off the main page.

Welcome to The Cult of the Tailenders...would anyone like to become a mOm?

calculators from the present don't work
by just pillow talk
May 19th, 2008
02:12:25 PM
in the past Orcus.
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