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What Happens When The U.S. Military Won't Help Greengrass Shoot A Movie??

shakey support? by BadMrWonka	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:13:31 AM
get it? I kid, I kid...
FIRST by Magma Suit	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:13:51 AM
The United States military will own your ass!
Oh fuck by Magma Suit	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:14:18 AM
Second! (and now third)
this film is going places by ArcadianDS	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:16:09 AM
because recent history proves that Iraq war movies with a liberal slant are absolute blockbuster hits.
also, Merrick by BadMrWonka	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:18:19 AM
even though Helgeland is associated with the pool of bile that is Mystic River (and is therefore dead to me), it is worth noting that he adapted LA Confidential. not really fair to just put Payback and Knight's Tale up there as a reference for him, I don't think...
United 93 was Insulting and Needless by wilsonfisk89	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:19:25 AM
No reason to make that film, even less to shoot it with a cheesy shaky cam.
I wonder by Stevie Grant	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:19:52 AM
what the US military was asked to help with?
Lets get some Wall-Marts up in that country already by Robstar	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:20:52 AM

Why would they help? by Sakurai	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:22:46 AM
It would make no sense if they did.
I sense a political argument brewing... by tonagan	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:24:23 AM

Good book by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:24:31 AM
I didn't read all of it, just the back cover when I bought it for my girlfriend. Excited to see it being made into a movie though. The book seemed very insightful.
Wow. by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:25:23 AM
Looks like Black Hawk Down. But all military movies look like that. Oh well.
I'D RATHER SEE HALO by ingloriousjedi	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:28:11 AM
And at the end of the Film Master Cheif takes off his helmet to reveal he is played by Matt Damon, who then says 'Maaaaatttt Daaaamon' to camera. Fade to Black.
But Jason Bournes a one man army. by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:31:25 AM

Do we really need the same ol' political slugfest in every TB? by gruntybear	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:39:09 AM
I mean, come THE FUCK on.
united 93 by LegoKenobi	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:39:59 AM
was brilliant and needed, from beginning to end.
Fuck Right Wing Cunts....Engage by messi	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:44:27 AM
there's your starter. but in all honesty all i hear in that paragraph is warmongering power hungry evil humans are not helping because he's telling the truth. whatever. fucking humans. Acting like a bunch of children.
DARKSEID IS COMING! by messi	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:45:07 AM
That's something you should care about.
Darkseid... by Kid Z	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:47:36 AM
...IS!
Left Wind Dicks...can't engage by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:54:41 AM
If you get my drift. Anyway, good for the U.S. military. Why the hell should they help any dickless wonder of a Hollywood hackster in making a film that portrays the soldiers as "occupiers". Oh right. They killed a dictator who filled mass graves and threw little kids in prison, how evil of them. They're kicking the cream out of Al Queda in Iraq (which keeps 'em busy over there, don'tcha know, instead of busy over here), wow what a worthless endeavor. Who cares, after all, about that smoking hole in the ground in New York City? Man, Hollywood just doesn't get it. Every movie based on the Iraq war has flopped at the box office. And why? Because the American public isnt' stupid. It's well aware that any film about Iraq is going to be full of anti-American, anti-Bush bullshit. And for some reason most people don't wanna cough up bucks for that. Here's a word for you, Hollywood, and the word is "DUH!"
re: Iraq War movies with liberal slant by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:55:18 AM
The reason why these movies aren't doing well is because they're being released DURING the Iraq War, you fucking piece of shit moron. How well do you think "The Deerhunter" would have played in 1971 instead of 1978? What about "Platoon" in 1972 instead of 1986? And so on and so forth. The point is: you're a fucking piece of shit, ArcadianDS. Anytime a film, book, or any art for that matter, reveals something about the nature of a controversial event that is driven by a right-wing nut job adminisration, it's "liberal". Hey man, I like right-wing flicks. I like the Dirty Harry movies, fascist as they are. Do you ever wonder why the great minds in history are all progressive i.e. liberal? Why are the worst presidents all republicans? What the fuck is your problem? Why do you hate America?
Sorry, meant Left Wing dicks by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:56:53 AM
Although "wind" pretty well covers it too, come to think of it.
Oh Fireproof by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:57:21 AM
You make me laugh.
CYGNUS WE NEED YOU by ChestBumpingFatKids	Apr 22nd, 2008 10:58:04 AM
Where are you buddy? Get in here and start raving. We can't do it without you!
That smoking hole in the ground in New York... by Knuckleduster	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:00:44 AM
Wasn't it made by Bin Laden?
CGI cats added to moroccan locations? by SpencerTrilby	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:02:41 AM
Seriously, though: the US Army provided human and logistical resources to both Transformers and Iron Man and those films have opposite views on the Military-Industrial Complex. They're ok with Michael Bay filming their stuff like a car commercial, or Favreau treating them like irresponsible warmongers or clueless canon fodder; the army representatives don't fucking care as long as they're put onscreen in mainstream movies. Whether the movie is praising them or not, as long as there are famous actors, slick CGI or funny catchphrases it's still as good an infomercial for recruitment as America's Army or Top Gun were back in the day.
Fireproof by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:03:34 AM
You have no idea what you are talking about. al Qaeda in Iraq is something totally different than THE REAL al Qaeda, which is operating in Pakistan along the Afghani border without a peep from Bush's allies in the Pakistani government. The only time anything gets done is when the CIA and military take Obama's advice and goes ahead and attacks targets WITHOUT Mushareef's go-ahead...which both Bush and McInsane both said was a dumb idea. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, you fucking dweeb. Why don't you read an intelligence report every once and a while...you might actually learn something. Or wait, is that more "liberal" "anti-American" propaganda? You know, THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE? You cocksucker. See my previous post about why the Iraq War movies have "flopped". Is every single Vietnam movie "anit-American"? Because only the really unrealistic ones, which star Stallone and Norris, could be perceived as "pro-war". And I doubt it's because people don't like anti-Bush things, seeing as he's the most unpopular president IN HISTORY. Good god, I schooled your goofy, anus-licking, shit-eating ass.
The usscygnus bot will pick up the key words.... by Bobo_Vision	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:04:05 AM
in that article, and be dispacthed immediately to post its automated message: aint-it-liberal-news.com.
Expecting this to be great, but tank by waggy	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:04:34 AM
just like the brilliant United 93. Colonel Activity hit the nail on the head. Nobody wants to watch these films right now, regardless of the quality (though most so far have been pretty crappy).
There were war movies during WWII by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:06:13 AM
You fucking piece of shit moron. And Republicans make the worst presidents? Really? The impeached cunt-sucker Bill Clinton, who missed 3 chances to get Bin Laden and thus helped bring about 9/11, the inbred Jimmy Carter and his clan (otherwise known as the Washington Hillbillies), who bumbled the Iran hostage crisis and thus is one of the reasons we're facing a nuclear Iran today - those guys were great Presidents? Crap you really DON'T know your history, do you? Were you aware that Lincoln was a Republican? And Reagan? Geez, stop watching Dirty Harry and pick up a goddamn history book. And enjoy the Greengrass flick. You deserve to waste your money on it.
Man, the wingers really make me smile... by TheGreatHomsar	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:06:15 AM
I love to hear people jaw on and on about how the war in Iraq was about removing Saddam from power. Do you fucktards honestly believe that? Little Georgie got ahead of himself, drank the Koolaid Rumsfeld and Cheney were dishing out, and invaded based on shitty ass intelligence (which is becoming a US specialty). Then, when we realized we'd fucked up royally, they started singing this tune about "liberating the Iraqis from a dictator" bla bla bla. Please. Enough starry-eyed, flag-waving horseshit already. Our guys (and girls) are nothing but bullet sponges over there, and our bravest people are getting killed to prevent a civil war that is GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY. Meh, who am I kidding? I'm arguing politics on aintitcool, never mind.
I love you guys by ChestBumpingFatKids	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:07:30 AM
I really, really do.
A message for those who are still trashing United 93. by Henry Jones Sr	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:08:24 AM
Fuck off already.
Some reading material for you right-wing morons by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:08:50 AM
http://tinyurl.com/47v9tg
An anti-military/anti-war movie about Iraq? by jdb1972	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:08:59 AM
Egads! That's the ticket to box office success. Why hasn't someone thought of that before?
Here we go...put on your boxing gloves by Utamoh	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:09:12 AM
Hoo boy, it's gonna get hot in these talkbacks now. My comment for both sides of the argument? It's all about oil. Period. A friend of mine who's father was in the Pentagon told his son "If you want to know the reason behind any military operation in the Middle East, follow the oil. Every other reason is bullshit."
Al Queda wasn't in New York by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:09:16 AM
...until we got there. Oh curse that Peter Minuit buying it from the Indians in 1626. There would be no Al Queda today! Oh woe.
I was sick of modern day military movies by BiggusDickus	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:09:16 AM
...as far back as 'Three Kings'. I don't think I'm the only one, either. Personally, I don't think a movie site is the place for a political debate, although I'm still puzzled as to why we bombed the tar out of Iraq when most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Over to you guys...
"What Happens When The U.S. Military Won't Help Greengrass Shoot by GodMars	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:09:46 AM
Who cares?
Hell yes... by TheGreatHomsar	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:11:57 AM
Ever wonder why the bulk of suicide bombers come from our good "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Egypt? Ever wonder what country Bin Laden is from? (I'll give you righties a hint...it's not Iraq!)
Someone gave a shout out to Peter Minuit... by Bobo_Vision	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:17:01 AM
...for buying New York from the Indians. They're going old school up in here. Cuz datz how we do in deez talkbacks, son. We keep it real up in dis mug.
Saddam is the reason we're in Iraq by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:17:33 AM
Good god, the spew one has to hear every time Iraq comes up. If Saddam had come clean, if he'd obeyed the U.N. mandates, if he hadn't been spreading crapola about possessing nuclear weapons, if he hadn't been shooting at our airplanes, plotting to assassinate an American president and doing other things that made him a clear threat to everyone around him, we wouldn't be in Iraq and he'd maybe still be alive, for what THAT'S worth. He was an evil dickhead and the world is better off without him. If FDR had been as proactive as Bush was and had taken out Hitler, instead of trying to appease him, golly, think of it, no WWII. "Imagine there's no Auschwitz...it's easy if you try..."
Reagan?!?! by BenBraddock	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:18:51 AM
Fireproof, are you serious? I just choked on my tea from laughing!
What's wrong with THREE KINGS? by -guyinthebackrow	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:19:21 AM
I liked that movie. It was good. And so was UNITED 93. And BLOODY SUNDAY. That guy's a good director. Let's all just calm down, watch the movie, and then formulate an opinion. But, it's true, Iraq war movies thus far make zero money.
Oh good, just what I didn't want... by photoboy	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:21:05 AM
... another Iraq movie.
Sweet god, we found the nukes? by TheGreatHomsar	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:21:08 AM
I must've missed that somewhere, Fireproof.
Yeah, it's Monica's fault too, Node by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:21:20 AM
She distracted Clinton from his presidential duties by sucking on his dick. She should be hanged like the traitor she is. Poor guy was all set to take out Bin Laden and that strumpet had to go and suck his brains out (literally). Christ, what a blame game you lefties like to play.
It doesn't matter who missed Osama the first time by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:21:31 AM
What matters is Bush screwed up by taking forces off the hunt in Afghanistan and putting them in Iraq to depose a dictator who, while evil, stabilized the region by being a buffer against Iran. Why did he do it? To do something his Daddy couldn't. To prove himself. Plain and simple.
Haven't any of you read the PNAC documents? by ChestBumpingFatKids	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:21:32 AM
They spelled out in the 90s what the Iraq war would be for. You neocons should take note, by the way - this document was written by the people like Bill Kristol and other neocon thinktank people and pundits. The reason for the war isn't oil or weapons of mass destruction and certainly not democracy. The reason for the war is to establish a foothold in that part of the Middle East and, as a corollary, to show the region what badasses we are and how powerful we are. Oil is a definite spoil of war but isn't the main reason. This has been stated goal since before the war - stated by the very people who lobbied for and started the war. This isn't liberal propaganda.
To Fireproof, the pussy: by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:22:05 AM
(1) The majority of movies made during WWII were commissioned by the United States military to drum up support for a war the public wanted nothing to do with because we had problems of our own...until Pearl Harbor. Comparing WWII to Iraq? Please, go kill youself, ass-hat. WWII was a just war (seeing as how the WORLD was banded together; where's our allies in Iraq?). You lose point 1... (2) Clinton was the best president since FDR. How do I know? Because he presided over the biggest economic growth IN HISTORY. What did he get impeached for again? Getting a BJ? Man, you guys are a bunch of self-hating homosexuals, aren't you? For shame. Don't get me started on letting bin Laden go. Bush disbanded the CIA unit in 2005, you fucking terd. Read a book, choad-licker. Ever heard of Tora Bora? I'll help you out: we had bin Laden cornered, a request was made for extra Army Rangers/special forces, Bush wanted to ramp up the effort to get ready for Iraq...bin Laden gets away...awwww. You lose again, fuck-wad. (3) The Iranian hostage crisis? Really? How does that give Iran fake weapons right now? You know, they don't have nuclear weapons, right? Where do you get your news, Sean Hannity? They discontinued their weapons program YEARS ago. I read it...um, where was that again? Oh yeah, AN INTELLIGENCE REPORT THAT BUSH CO. HID!!!! If you want to talk about presidents being pussies, why don't we discuss Reagan DOING NOTHING after the Marines barracks were bombed in Lebanon? What was that? Oh, you lost again? Go kill yourself, choader-boy. (4) Lincoln would be a Democrat if he was alive today. What party gained a bunch of racists when the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 60s? Republicans (why do you think that the South votes repub?). Going back further, what party gained alot of racists when Lincoln was runnning with anti-slavery positions? Democratic. How does that work? Do you really think that Lincoln would be at home with the xenophobic, racist republican base? Doubt it. YOU LOSE EVERY POINT!!! Now go play with your pet gerbil.
Iraq War Movies by Montag666	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:22:14 AM
The reason why they're not doing well is because they're not very good to begin with. Redacted was like an afterschool special with its terrible acting. Cool concept, badly executed. This should be interesting because Greengrass is no Hollywood hack by any stretch of the imagination.
Carter is to blame for this mess we're in. by Uncapie	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:22:22 AM
And he's a democrat. When the American Embassy was taken over by Iranian radicals and they kept our personel hostage(Thank you Ross Perot for getting some of the U.S. people out.) Carter stood by with dreams of chasing rabid rabbits and building houses. What he should have done was give them an ultimatum. 24 hours give our people back or we go in. After that, takeout their infrastructure; water, power, radio and tv stations with B-52 airstrikes then move in with ground troops. Every nation would have supported us because an attack on an embassy is an attack on sovereign soil. If he'd have acted immediately, we'd be paying $1.00 a gallon for gas now. Tops. That rescue they attempted was a fiasco. They should have pulled in a favor from the Isreali's, have their Mossad go in and get our guys. They knew the terrain and would have gotten the job done. Regardless, I liked Reagan and I liked Carter.Its not about political affiliations, its about who can step up to the plate and do the job.
So choke, Ben by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:23:29 AM
Reagan brought an end to the Cold War without firing a shot. He wasn't interested in appeasement either. Oh how the lefties howled when he said "Tear down that wall", the filthy warmonger. sips black coffee, a man's drink
wilsonfisk89 by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:23:48 AM
United 93 is one of the best films i've ever seen. That is all.
I wish the US would rather focus on Mugabe. by Knuckleduster	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:24:12 AM
Oh shit, I forgot, no oil there. I mean, fuck Africa. Poor hungry fuckers... What's that? No one here knows who Mugabe is? Okay.
Fireproof by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:24:22 AM
You are the "Naked Gun" of the human race: a giant joke.
The U.S. Military prefers to support movies by themikejonas	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:25:37 AM
that are more historically accurate. You know, like Pearl Harbor and Transformers.
I'm with knuckleduster by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:26:57 AM
But on the whole Iranian Hostage thing in the 70s.... You guys do realize that Iran is a Shiite nation and al Qaeda is Sunni and they hate each other, right? One has nothing to do with the other. And Reagan did not win the cold war, you fucking idiot. Go suck Hannity's cock.
Define appeasement: by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:28:11 AM
Is it giving weapons to Saddam or is it selling weapons to Iran to fund terrorists in Central America? Quick, Fireproof, make something up.
Fireproof by DocPazuzu	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:28:27 AM
You really are a moron.
Read that, man-ass-lover fireproof by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:28:46 AM
http://tinyurl.com/47v9tg
Oh please... by TheGreatHomsar	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:28:46 AM
Reagan ended the Cold War? Another neocon catchphrase that just reeks of bullshit. The internal collapse of the Soviet Union ended the Cold War, not anything Reagan did. He just happened to be in office when the Communist system (which had grossly overspent itself in the space/arms races of the 1950s-1980s) collapsed under its own weight.
Maybe there wouldn't have been a Pearl Harbor by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:29:36 AM
If FDR hadn't tried to appease Hitler, Colonel, and how dare you all me a pussy, since it's doubtful you've ever seen one. And Clinton was the best president since FDR? For what? Embarrassing the office of President? Signing NAFTA, which his own wife opposes now? (which is about the only thing about that harpy I like). Goodbye American jobs. Your foaming libtard rage amuses me. The majority of Americans believe Reagan was a great President, or have you forgotten the public's reaction to his death? Now go abuse your keyboard playing World of Warcraft, you mighty elfslayer, you.
I care about that smoking hole in the ground in New York City by RenoNevada2000	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:29:37 AM
Which is why I am incensed that we invaded Iraq without finishing the job we started in Afghanistan. You remember that mission, don't you? Where we were going to get Osama Bin Laden, the religious extremist who planned the 9/11 attacks and wouldn't have anything to do with the secular government of Iraq? And I think you answered your own question about why Clinton didn't doi anything about bin Laden. He was too busy having to deal with a Republican Congress trying to impeach him over a blowjob while they were busy having affairs witheir barely legal assistants and pages or trying to pick up other men in airport bathrooms.
Stop cheating, TheGreatHomsar by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:29:39 AM
you're using facts! Knock it off!
Glasnost and the Helsinki accords... by Bobo_Vision	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:33:06 AM
were largely responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union. Reagan just made a speech and took all the credit. Its kind of like standing on an Ocean liner in front of a banner that reads "Mission Accomplished". Ya know whatem sayin', son? For reals yo.
The majority of Americans by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:33:09 AM
Also watch American Idol...your point? Pussy... When did FDR try to appease Hitler? Is it when we kicked ass on D-Day? Damn that appeasement!!! NAFTA was pushed through by the REPUBLICAN HOUSE!!! Do you remember how they used to threaten to shut down the government if they didn't get their way? I suppose you don't. I'm surprised you figured out how to breath, coward, because you are so incredibly stupid I'm shocked that you can think hard enough to use your lungs. You should really kill yourself.
This "patriotism" hindering filmmaking is silly... by DanielKurland	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:34:44 AM
I went to a screening of Cusack's "War, Inc." which was probably one of the best war satires I've seen (although the ending of the movie does fall apart, albeit, I think intentionally), but afterwards he told us the film is only getting a limited release in LA and New York, and then going straight to DVD. Freedom of speech, etc. should just let these films be made. Same thing with "Three Kings", which is another really great movie all around.
The Communist bloc... by DocPazuzu	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:35:02 AM
...was going to fail sooner or later, sure, but as much as I disagreed with many of both Reagan's and Thatcher's policies, their reign and reinvigoration of Western liberal democracy hastened the collapse. Fireproof is still an idiot though.
borrowed military tech? by Bouncy X	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:36:01 AM
why dont they just create what they need? they can make dinosaurs and flying men, but they cant make american military apparely and equipment?
CGI pants! by DocPazuzu	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:36:39 AM
and helmets.
Colonel Activity to "Fireproof the pussy" by finky089	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:37:12 AM
lol - our methods might differ, but fundamentally I applaud your efforts
Good book by digitalcos	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:39:08 AM
I didn't read all of it either D. Vader, but I did look it up on Amazon once. Actaully, I never got around to looking it up on Amazon, but I had thought about it. Actually, I never really got around to thinking about it either. Actaually, I don't even like reading.
So Clinton was blameless by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:39:13 AM
Uh huh. He fiddled around with various wimmin and neglected his duties as president, failed to protect his country from an obvious threat, the result of which were over 3000 dead after the worst attack in history on American soil, and it's all because of those bad ol' Republicans for taking him to task for disgracing himself and then lying about it. Geez, now I understand how some people worship the ground Obama walks on, despite his own lies, his questionable judgement and the lovely people he hangs out with. Sheesh. And what makes anyone with sense believe that Al Queda can be fought only in Afghanistan, not in Iraq? Why is it the lefties want us out of Iraq but in Darfur? Jeezus how lame.
Fireproof, ever hear of Gorbachev? by BenBraddock	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:39:15 AM
Glasnost? Perestroika? Think they might have had a little more to do with it.. How could you not be anything but embarrassed by having Ronnie Regan as your president?
DigitalCos by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:41:46 AM
Points to you, you get the joke =).
Bouncy X - "creating" military tech by finky089	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:42:39 AM
We don't want to go and get all creative in Hollwood, do we? Stop that nonsense!
Here Node, educate yourself by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:43:42 AM
http://www.youthnoise.com/page .php?page_id=1904 You're welcome.
Fireproof misses the point by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:44:50 AM
Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq when we got there. We, in essence, brought them there when we invaded. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Note to Fireproof by finky089	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:46:01 AM
It's one thing to not proofread your posts and have mistypings (guilty!), but if you want to maintain some credibility among the complete falsehoods you're typing here, intentional misspellings like "wimmin" probably won't help anyone here take your points too seriously.
I'm officially retiring from this talkback... by TheGreatHomsar	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:46:15 AM
...but before I relegate myself back to "Amused Observer" status, I wanted to restate that: 1) while not a bad president by any means, Reagan did very little to end the Cold War. 2) Iraq's nuclear ambitions were little more than saber-rattling to threaten its immediate neighbors, much like another nation that starts with letters "Ira_" 3) Liberals are not opposed to killing terrorists, we are opposed to tying down our military resources in an occupation of a country that was not a major force in the war on terrorism UNTIL WE MADE IT ONE. 4) As someone previously posted, the War in Iraq was more about Bush's screwball experiment to democratize the Middle East by force than nuclear weapons, oil, or personal vendettas against Saddam. Good day to you all...
Bobo Vison, educate yourself by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:47:54 AM
http://www.radio.cz/en/article /54699 And try to read something besides the horse poop at Moveon.org. Rots the brain, son. Actually knowing the truth about Reagan might give you some pointers about being a man with principles, instead of a pussy with propoganda. Have a nice day.
Yeah, we brought the enemy to Iraq by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:48:59 AM
We should have stayed home, damn it, no way they'd have followed us there...
I tried to read that article just now by Bobo_Vision	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:51:22 AM
Which I rarely do, but it said its not available. Oh well. I don't read Moveondotorg, I was quoting my college professor from years ago. You could take it up with him I guess, but he might resent being called a pussy with propaganda. I'm sure you'll have no trouble calling him that from behind your computer though.
Czech dissidents love Reagan by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:55:34 AM
For those uninterested in doing some research and thus avoid spewing leftwing garbage: Former Czech dissidents on Ronald Reagan's role in bringing down communism [07-06-2004] By Pavla Horáková Listen 16kb/s ~ 32kb/s June 12, 1987: The President of the United States, Ronald Reagan, speaks in front of the Brandenburg Gate in West Berlin: "General-Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, if you seek liberalization: Come here to this gate! Mr Gorbachev, open this gate... Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" Just over two years later the Berlin Wall indeed came down, signalling the defeat of Soviet communism and the liberation of Central and Eastern Europe. Last Saturday, Ronald Reagan died at his home in Los Angeles at the age of 93 after a long struggle with Alzheimer's disease. Having called the Soviet Union an "evil empire" in a 1983 speech, President Reagan was probably the most hated and ridiculed of all the Western leaders by the Czechoslovak former communist regime. The communist media relentlessly condemned what they called 'Reagan's war-mongering' and the arms race. Jan Ruml, a former anti-communist dissident, was serving a prison sentence at that time and remembers who Reagan's tough stance gave him strength. "In the 1980s we placed our hopes in Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. The fact that someone out there called communism by its proper name and actually did something to promote freedom and democracy helped us a great deal. Ronald Reagan was the man instrumental in bringing down communism and we should all remember him with great respect as the man thanks to whom we are enjoying our present freedom." Another former member of anti-communist opposition and the first post-communist Czechoslovak Foreign Minister, Jiri Dienstbier, says the Reagan administration supported the Czechoslovak opposition by sending U.S. politicians, journalists and academics to Czechoslovakia to meet the dissidents. But Mr Dienstbier says it would be an exaggeration to say that it was Ronald Reagan who overthrew communism. "Of course, Reagan would not have succeeded without Gorbachev. I think the final cooperation between Reagan and Gorbachev in changing the world was the most important. Because communism just exhausted all its resources and Mikhail Gorbachev understood it and tried to the change the whole background and the whole policy of the Soviet Union and the international relations." Jiri DienstbierMr Dienstbier also says that President Reagan knew how to respond to those political changes in Russia. "Ronald Reagan was a very controversial person even in America. He had very strong conservative rightist rhetoric but in fact he behaved very pragmatically. He spoke about the 'evil empire' but then he walked with Mikhail Gorbachev in the Red Square because he understood that a lot of things had changed in Russia and America should support it." Now the above statement, children, comes from those who suffered the effects of the Soviet Union. It's a pity some Americans are unable to appreciate what Reagan accomplished. Tsk. Well, like their opinions count anyway. Here's the link to the site the above came from: http://www.radio.cz/en/articl e/54699 So nice you hate Reagan, BenBraddock. You're in such good company.
Photos from the London shoot by filmdetail	Apr 22nd, 2008 11:57:44 AM
Here are photos and video from the London part of the shoot which happened earlier this month: http://tinyurl.com/2mafrj
Here's a link to that article by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:02:24 PM
A link that works. Don't know why the other one won't. http://www.google.com/search?h l=en&q=reagan+bringing+down+so viet+union Past the address into your address line. It'll take you to Google. Click the first item on the list. It should take you to the Radio Praha article. And now kids, it's lunchtime. Outta here. See ya.
Now just a minute Fireproof... by morGoth	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:05:45 PM
...tell me you didn't say that FDR "appeased" Hitler?!! Please tell me you didn't say that. Man, you swilled a whole gallon of Cheney juice this morning didn't you? BTW, Clinton would've had zero support, especially from people like you, if he'd even suggested going into Afghanistan after bin Laden and alQueda. Furthermore, there were plenty of war movies during WWII that were put out by Hollywood. Yup, that same Hollywood you and your kind are always going on about how unpatriotic "they" are. The difference is that was a declared war and FDR certainly knew how to rally the WHOLE country, not just Democrats. How many cabinet members has Dubya appointed who are Democratic? Oh yeah, The Great Uniter, I forgot. I'll be there on opening night to watch this just to see what it's all about...then I'll read the book.
Well, Node, how about MSNBC? by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:06:47 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/51 45921/ Of course some believe the whole network is run by 15-year-olds. Jeez, the stuff the left spew. Again, I got a burger on the grill, so bye.
they're doing Greengrass a favor by Tenenbaum	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:08:16 PM
anti-Iraq War films are box office poison.
Yeah, enjoy the movie, Morgoth by Fireproof	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:10:09 PM
You and the other 5 people in the theatre. Sheesh. FDR did appease Hitler, as did most of Europe, until Pearl Harbor. FDR's stance was somewhat understandable, since the U.S had already suffered from WWI and understandably wished to stay out of the European mess. But just the same, if he'd acted sooner, Pearl Harbor may never have happened. If Clinton had acted against Bin Laden, 9/11 would definitely not have happened. How's the 'Bama juice, by the way? Didn't know he had any. LOL! See ya.
"I got a burger on the grill..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:10:54 PM
Whopper?
Pearl Harbor happened because of the US embargo by Uncapie	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:17:04 PM
We stopped selling them scrap and pig iron that they needed for their war effort. Remember, they had no beef with us, only the whole of Asia which they wanted to take over. We cut them off, so they had no choice but to take us on and get it. FDR knew they were coming and he let it happen because we needed to stimulate our economy(It was sluggish.)and get us officially into the war. Hitler signed the Axis pact with Italy and Japan. Originally, he did not want to go up against the United States. The Japanese made the Nazi's look like choir boys with the Rape of Nanking, the Death March On Bataan, the P.O.W. tortures and places like Camp 731. After reading what they did there, you don't feel so bad that we nuked them twice.
Bwahahahahaaa, that article by Bobo_Vision	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:17:42 PM
Thats your proof that Reagan ended the cold war? Thats the idiot's perception of how the Cold War ended. Reagan says to Gorbachev, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down that wall", and Mr. Gorbachev says, "Oh shit, why didn't you say so earlier." You're funny, Mr. Fireproof. And props to Mr. Nice Gaius for the Burger King line, that was sweet.
Cock-smoker! Cum-chugger! by Darthkrusty	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:21:15 PM
I think these vile insults haven't been thrown yet in this talkback. Just wondering if it will ever happen... a civil, mature politcal debate on this site without the name-calling (although it is funny sometimes). Also interesting to see which side usually throws the first lewd insult. Peace-out!
trickle down by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:21:25 PM
made everyone poor
Too Liberally by TooWhippy	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:24:27 PM
Why should the US government help a film that underminds their objective? This film will loose a ton of money just like all the other anti-war films of recent.
Let's look at it this way... by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:24:47 PM
I am a vet of both Afghanistan and Iraq, I was a Warrent officer, flying a UH-60 through over a year in both places. The boys I lift ticketed didn't all come back, and I took a few out in bad shape. Iraq is better now than it was. The people on the ground tell us that in person time and again, we have done far more to help them than them to hurt. I stand by that. I know I did good there. I helped not only our boys but Iraqi civilians and even extremists who were wounded. I dare say most of them would not have returned the favor to me had it been reversed. And I am at peace with it. It does need to end at some point. I am confident it will. There will always be an American precence there, just as we are still in Japan, Germany, and South Korea, so too will be in Iraq and Afghanistan at least in some capacity for a while to come. As for politics; let us all remember the political extreme of either side is just as dangerous as the other. Extreme Right will lead to Theocracy, and facism. Extreme left will lead to Communism and total involvement of the government in our daily lives. Extreme Right: Iran, Theocracy, Facism. Extreme Left: Russia, Communism, a cog in an ever expanding governmental machine. Neither is right or better than the other. We need more middle ground.
Now Pearl harbor was FDR's fault too? by morGoth	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:25:56 PM
Yeah, I'm sure Hirohito took all his marching orders from FDR and Hitler. By all means, go eat lunch, then come back and Google some more "geo-politics" stuff since you obviously don't have a mind to actually think about what you're reading.
Wow, those CGI soldiers walking and stuff looks great! by captboulder	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:27:26 PM
The wonders of cinema!
YouthNoise by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:29:07 PM
Gotta love how Fireproof completely dodged the fact he posted a 15 year old's copypasta as the definitive answer for why we invaded. Or that his article demonstrating how indispensable Reagan was to the USSR's demise quotes all of two people and one of them doesn't even really agree. Good times.
You can't really blame the military by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:29:51 PM
TooWhippy is right. The military has no reason to spend the time or money on a film that makes government leaders look bad. THEY (the military) won't look bad, just our leaders will. But unfortunately, they work for our leaders so its sorta a conflict of interest.
morGoth: 'patriotic' Hollywood by 9000rpm	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:31:20 PM
There's a saying about the continent being tilted on its side and all the trash flowed down to the west coast. Hollywood is home to a lot of deviates, deviates with values that have nothing in common with most Americans, deviates in the position of deciding what films get produced and what agenda they are going to promote and what ideals they are going to suppress. True, Hollywood made a lot of movies in the WW2. A different breed at the helm, that’s for sure. And it had nothing to do with WW2 being a 'declared war' (that's the most bogus argument ever. The ONLY reason the UN didn't support America in its efforts in Iraq is because so many corrupt officials were making so much money on the oil-for-food scam that they did everything possible to protect Saddam. Koffi Annan's own son was well entrenched in the corruption. If it wasn't for the UN's abject corruption they would have supported Saddam's removal and the mess in Iraq wouldn't be anything like it has become and twits like you wouldn’t be going around whining 'undeclared war, undeclared war". So, you’ll be there opening night to watch this just to see what it's all about...then you'll read the book. And that’s something to be proud of?
You morons! by Knuckleduster	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:33:57 PM
Gremlins 2 had Christopher Lee! It beats the first Gremlins hands down!
Liberals will go see this movie in droves by johnyaztec	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:35:38 PM
Liberals will go see this movie in droves to root for the muzzies and cheer when American soldiers die. GO SCREW LIBTARDS
Here here, Nerosday by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:36:03 PM
More middle ground is definitely what's needed. Unfortunately, no one will agree on what's middle ground. I, for one, try to stay independent. I believe in state's rights, limited central government control (like our founding fathers), and am anti-gun control. However, I'm also against the Iraq War, for gay marriage, and various other "liberal" topics. Unfortunately, I blame the Bush administration for pushing the extremes to either side with their "If you're not with us, you're against us" attitude that permeates EVERY political topic nowadays. I can't say I'm for gay marriage without Republicans deeming me a cowardly, godless, liberal, and I can't state I'm anti-gun control without Democrats calling me a close-minded redneck. Though the latter happens far less than the former.
9000rpm, they are called DEVIANTS... by Abin Sur	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:42:08 PM
Not "deviates." I wouldn't correct except you said it like 12 fucking times.
Hey 9000rpm... by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:43:13 PM
The word you're looking for is "deviant". "Deviates" is a verb, as in "to deviate", like "the pilot will deviate his flight path".
re: middle ground by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:43:50 PM
I'm for that as well. I had no problem with Bush until he tried to sell Iraq. Afghanistan and Pakistan was were bin Laden was, and that's where we bolted. And I don't doubt that Iraq is "better". And I don't doubt that the people are grateful. But that wasn't why we were supposed to be there. Bush and Co. linked Saddam and bin Laden to the public. If we wanted to liberate people from warlords, there's about a dozen or so African nations in need of help. Just look at the PNAC website and tell me that Bush had is cronies haven't been underhanded little beasties....oh, and you can support the troops and still hate Bush; if not, then I guess almost 70% of this countries hates the troops.
Why would they help any Hollywood director? by Mgmax	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:44:29 PM
Try to think of one moment in one movie that didn't portray Iraq soldiers as just this side of the Manson family. The military should tell them to fuck off until they stop smearing our troops as the source of all evil.
Everytime I see the raising prices for food and gas..... by captboulder	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:44:53 PM
and how weak our fucking dollar has become. I'm reminded how much Gerorge W. Bush, a Republican President, is all about his own ass! The reason for going to Iraq was bullshit before and its bullshit now!
Anyone who says liberals cheer when US soldiers die by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:45:07 PM
Is a moron, plain and simple.
On the ground meaning the Iraqi people themselves and our troops by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:46:26 PM
I wish people in the news and media would talk to them both more.
MY TWO CENTS: DIRECTED AT THE GOD BLESS AMERICA YAHOO BUSH IS GO by Richard Brooks	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:46:38 PM
Jesus get a grip you fucking retards this is a movie news website you cocks not a political debate...leave the politics to the pro's which clearly none of you aint. OH and IMO Bush is a dick,your nation is corrupt and america aint all that....so there now can we please get back to discussing movies in a rational manner
to the right wing trolls out there by filmfanatic1	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:47:06 PM
Please try to defend the last 7 years of 2 wars instead of slamming the left, as if they have been running the country for these years. We have a just war in Afghanistan that now is falling apart and an unjust war in Iraq that had NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. Try defending your position instead of pretending we've had a Dem president and Congress for all these years
MgMax by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:48:25 PM
Ever see Three Kings?
Because he has a silly name? by I Dunno	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:53:36 PM
"Hi, I'm Pete Brownbark and I'd like to shoot with you..."
Nerosday by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:55:34 PM
I know what you're saying. I'd like to hear more from the troops, too. I have plenty of friends and family who have been in the military, and I like hearing what they say over what Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, etc. say.
Paull Greengrass Should Take . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:56:52 PM
A few million dollars and set fire to it, and make a film of that. Oh, wait. He is.
MgMax by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:56:57 PM
Black Hawk Down?
I'M ALL ABOUT THE WHOPPER by BurgerTime	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:57:02 PM

Stop Loss has Done $10m Domestic by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:58:44 PM
On a $25m budget. I'm just saying . . . Paul Greengrass also went on the Rush Limbaugh show to promote United 93. Thought I'd mention that, too. Left-wingers hate the right-wing attack machine . . . until they think they can promote something and make some money.
Why blame/congratulate a President on the economy by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:58:45 PM
when the last time I checked the economy was run by free markets? I refuse to few tax increases/tax cuts and some monkeying around by the Fed really makes a damn difference.
Rather, "I refuse to believe" by Shut the Fuck up Donny	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:59:40 PM
Sorry about the mispost.
We've Had a Democratic Congress Since 2006 by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 12:59:57 PM
And we're still in Iraq. And I thought they were going to lower gas prices, and instead, they've gone up. What happened with that?
And don't get me wrong. by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:00:11 PM
I understand the issue of staying, but the terrorists, would have issue with us either way. Most of those in Iraq are not Iraqis, they are Syrian, Iranian, and especially Suadis, and oddly enough eastern Europeans like Chechnyans. There is only a small contengent of true Iraqis fighting us there. I just can't conscience leaving them in the cold. People say we are influencing their government and we are, especially economicly. But the influence these outsiders would bring would come at the end of a gun. I met too many good people there to leave them to that. I would re-up if it came to that. And do remeber we were in Saudi originally at the request of the Kingdom. Osama has issue with both the US and his own government.
There is no middle ground by Darth_Inedible	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:02:14 PM
If you desire "balance" you just have to try and look at the situation with an objective eye and pick one side of the see-saw, as depressing as that might sound. Planting yourself in the center only takes your opinion out of the equation, and your ass WILL end up sliding down onto one of the sides eventually.
by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:03:04 PM
I didn't know Greengrass was an American. Interesting...and the "democratic congress"? Uh, what was there majority again? How many seats? How many vetoes has Bushed signed? This is strictly Bush's game, willis. Don't be willfully stupid...it's unbecoming.
I agree by TCSailor	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:04:43 PM
Why have a slugfest about this movie? Let 'em keep making movies critical of our armed forces and policies and keep watchin' em bomb bigger than an IED. Noone will watch it as we can watch the news every day to get the basics that war is bad, our military is evil, our policies and president monstrous, etc etc. Not that I agree...but let Soros and his Lib buds keep pouring money into box office bombs. Warms my heart.
Colonel Activity: Willfully Stupid? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:04:50 PM
Physician, heal thyself.
Democratic majority by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:06:05 PM
49 republicans, 49 Democrats, 2 independents...one of whom is that weenie Lieberman. Quite the majority, eh willis?
TCSailor: Good Point by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:06:59 PM
It's their money. They should get through it down a blackhole, repeatedly, if they want to.
Greengrass is British by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:07:08 PM
Born in the UK.
Willis by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:07:37 PM
Well, I'm guessing that you know the truth, you're just acting stupid...as if it's your will to be stupid. You should stop that.
GREENGRASS IS IRISH ACTUALLY by Richard Brooks	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:08:21 PM
Just thought Id point it out
Colonel Activity: Promises Were Made by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:10:19 PM
Without qualifiers of: except, of course, if our majorities are slimmer than we are expecting. A lot of this stuff was supposed to be cleared up after the first 100 days. According to Nancy Pelosi, anyway, after the election results were in. And 233 vs 202 in the house . . . oughta be able to get something done. If they were serious. If it wasn't all political posturing.
Surrey, England constitutes Irish? by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:10:55 PM
Or did he have Irish parents?
A Dem Congress since '06, but... by filmfanatic1	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:11:17 PM
Now, they get blocked because they always need 60 votes to pass anything, they can't even debate the war without that threshhold. And I'm still waiting for that wonderful defense of Bush without FoxNews-type bashing; tell me how 8 years were the best years of our lives. Soros and his Lib buddies don't run this country, TCSailor.
by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:12:19 PM
I also didn't know that Soros was a movie producer. Interesting. Is it that you're stupid, or is it that you're retarded? What movie, besides "Redacted", which was a fictionalized version of real events, have made the military "evil"? Is is "Stop-Loss"? Is that it? Or "In the Valley of Elah"? Is that it? Holy shit, you're full of it.
Colonel Activity: Being Stupid by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:14:04 PM
If being stupid is defined (as it apparently is, in your dictionary) as not marching in lock-step with your predictably tedious talking points, then I'm a big fat idiot. BTW, I don't believe anyone suggested that Paul Greengrass was an American. Certainly, I didn't. And I'm 100% correct about the promises that members of the Democrat majorities made (and numerous political action committees on their behalf), but it doesn't surprise me that 100% factual accuracy is merely "stupid" to a liberal. There are big, sweeping, emotional things at stake here!
USS CYGNUS HATES AMERICA! by Laserhead	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:14:31 PM

Willis by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:14:37 PM
You need a super majority in the Congress, pal. Otherwise, King George can veto at will. Do you flunk American Gov't and Politics 101? Besides, the Dems have tried to push through spending bills with timetables but lil Georgie keeps on waving that veto wand.
About fracking time! by Motoko Kusanagi	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:15:16 PM
Who needs support of the military when there's unbiased CGI?
Dear Colonel Activity.... by Psynapse	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:17:50 PM
I notice you keep sticking to documented facts to back up your opinions (which I happen to to agree with based on those same facts). Careful man, you may break AICN being this reasoned.
Re: facts by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:18:21 PM
Let me educate you, my little turd polisher: we are still in Iraq because of Bush, not the Dems. They have tried to get bills through that set timetables. FACT. Gas has gone up because of OPEC and oil companies. The Dems couldn't do a goddamn thing about it. Neither could the republicans. Stop being an ass.
Bush: He Ain't No Reagan by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:19:27 PM
I'm not defending Bush (others may, but don't confuse them with me). He sort of got tax cuts right. Pre-emptive war? Wrong. Embracing Ted Kennedy's education bill? Wrong. Current stimulus nonsense? Wrong. Signing Campaign Finance Reform? Wrong. Open borders and amnesty proposals? Wrong. Medicare prescription drug benefit boondoggle/socialism? Wrong. While I completely supported his Social Security reforms, his administration mishandled that from the get-go, and nothing happened (sort of like the Democrats in congress on most liberal issues). I'm a conservative, but Bush hasn't been a particularly reliable conservative, from the beginning. And McCain is a Democrat in RINO's clothing. So, I'm not a big fan of the Republican party, period. I'm still not entirely sure that I'm not going to vote for Obama. Put that in your hat and smoke it.
I don't think that anyone is foolish enough... by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:20:38 PM
to ever think the US military are Nazis, though there are fools out there who will portray us that way. Let people say what they want and think what they want. Its a free country and love them or hate them our military helps protect that freedom. I don't see anyone or any movie out there depicting us as monsters. Everything else is just different points of view or opinion based sometimes on personal feeling, or lack of understanding, sometimes over justification. I take no offense. Just so long as we aren't shown eating babies and sweeping through villages like mongols raping, burning, and killing all in our path. That would simply be too much.
But The Dems Promised Me Lower Gas Prices by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:21:13 PM
Are you saying they were lying to me, and they knew it? Or that they just didn't know there's not a big buttong that says "lower gas prices" on the house floor? Nancy Pelosi says: "Why, I'm sure I saw one there before the election. Oh, those wascally Wepublicans!" Stop being an ass? That's a mirror, Colonel Activity! I'm over here.
The Best Military Movies . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:22:07 PM
Show soldiers eating babies. And eating Mongols.
Willis by Colonel Activity	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:22:28 PM
I didn't say anything about your party affliation. I just said you were full of shit. The biggest hosers are the left-wing 9/11 conspiracy nuts and the right-wing "MEXICANS ARE TAKING OURRRJAWWBS!" rednecks. Also, anyone who defends Bush.
kevinwillis net what about baby soldiers eating mongols by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:23:39 PM
that would be cool too, eh?
nerosday by Stevie Grant	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:24:14 PM
don't ever watch Redacted then. It depicted Americans soldiers stopping just short of eating babies.
The Super-Majority . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:25:34 PM
Are you saying the Democrats didn't know that when they promised to get us out of Iraq? Or that the promise was, in fact, a nuance statement of general principle, rather than any sort of commitment they were making to their voters? Or did they not know that the president can veto legislation?
Oooh! Baby's Eating Soldiers by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:26:48 PM
Finally, we do discover a WMD in Iraq. And it's not what we thought. Not at ALL what we thought. "Sergeant, looks. It's a baby. How could it possibly still alive? Gosh, it's cute. Wait. Are those teeth?"
I haven't seen it yet. I'm a teacher now so I haven't had a lot by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:29:15 PM
maybe in the summer though
a lot of time by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:30:54 PM

They actually expected the US to suppor this film? by aceattorney	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:30:55 PM
Out of their minds.
Colonel Activity: "I just said you were full of shit." by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:31:38 PM
What an awesome argument. You've convinced me that you are great at telling people they are stupid, full of shit, and retarded. Keep up the good work!
Nerosday: Have you Seen Deathproof? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:32:33 PM
Or Planet Terror? Those are the ones I still haven't gotten around to seeing. Dammit.
exciting news for harry potter fans by bacci40	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:33:57 PM
emma watson shows bush
Stevie Grant (sigh) by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:36:16 PM
well it was only a matter of time before someone did
FINAL CRISIS - 2 Weeks by messi	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:37:21 PM
pray it's a merciful end. That Darkseid doesn't rip your balls off.
Wilsonfisk89 Is An Idiot by DangerMan	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:37:25 PM
A pox on the guy.
I HATE LIBERALS... NO, WAIT! I MEAN CONSERVATIVES! by Le Vicious Fishus	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:38:04 PM
Ah shit. Not again...
not yet. I think the next thing I'll see is Iron Man by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:38:23 PM
My son is driving me nuts about it, and I'm a fanboy from way back so I'll be there.
Babysoldiers eating Mongols by D.Vader	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:38:59 PM
Now that's a hilarious war movie I'd pay to see.
Two facts: by Christopher3	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:41:18 PM
(1) Iraq movies do poorly. (2) Everyone knows the "war" is going poorly. No great truths are being revealed by the left; no nefarious facts are being hidden by the right.
morGoth, read your world history. by Uncapie	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:42:06 PM
FDR knew he had to get us into the war. The AVG(American Volunteer Group-The Flying Tigers) were already in China under the command General Chenault being paid by General Chung-Kai-Shek. Try flying a DC-3 over the Burma Hump at 18 years old with no defense and having a group of Zero's shoot you down. The U.S was not at war with Japan though. The U.S. was suppling the majority of iron and steel to fuel the Japanese war effort. The Dutch and French rubber plantations were doing the same supplying the U.S. until the Japanese took them over. Some was smuggled out over the years, but not much and at a cost of many lives. When the U.S. cut Japan off for good, they had no choice but to go after what they wanted. The Imperial Japanese Ambassadors left a day early and destroyed their code books and correspondence in Washington, D.C. FDR knew six hours in advance that the Japanese fleet was on their way to bomb Pearl Harbor and he let it happen. Not because he wanted to, but because he needed to get the U.S. into the war for economic reasons. Had the Pacific Fleet been alerted, it would have been a different ballgame. Our pilots were better than theres, but they had better planes(P-40's vs. Zero's.). Both navies were exceptionally strong. Had the flight of B-17's been able to land at Hickam Field, refuel and rearm, they would have crippled most of the Japanese fleet.Still, we did manage to get two P-40's off at Pearl Harbor to go after them. That is a true fact. History would have been different in the Pacific had Pearl been alerted.
Afganistan by chuckmc	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:44:26 PM
Michael Scheuer (a former head of the CIA Bin Laden unit in Afghanistan) writes in "Imperial Hubris" that the war on Iraq is based on politically motivated false intelligence from exiled Iraqi's who were looking to overthrow Saddam. The CIA told the White House that it was bad intelligence, but they refused to believe it. He calls the invasion of Iraq "a sham causing more instability than it prevents". At one point in time American forces had Bin Laden and most of the remnants of Al Qaeda trapped in a valley in Afghanistan. However because American had started pulling forces out of Afghanistan in preparation for the invasion of Iraq, the US did not have sufficient troops in place to finish the job and Bin Laden et al escaped into Pakistan. He also says that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda feel they are fighting a defensive war against "imperialist America" due to America's backing of "brutal and corrupt" Muslim dictatorships in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, UAE, Quatar, pre Gulf War I Saddam in Iraq, pre revolution Shaw of Iran) and Israel. If American stopped giving aid to these Muslim dictatorships and Israel and pulled all the US troops out of their bases in these countries, Bin Laden and Al Qaeda would no longer have a reason to fight. I have read that Bin Laden is happy that the US has invaded Iraq, as it has succeeded in 1) being a huge propaganda victory for Al Qaeda in the Muslim world and 2) has replaced an anti Iran anti Al Qaeda anti Shia Sunni Iraq goverment (Saddam) with a pro Iran (and more inline with Al Qaeda thinking) Shia Iraq government elected by the dominant Shia population in Iraq. As for the overthrow of the Shaw in Iran, due to the shift in CIA emphasis from intelligence collected on the ground to intelligence collected electronically in the 1970s, in a backwater nation like Iran they never saw the revolution coming, even when there was widespread rioting in the streets. As a result, by the time the CIA was aware of what was happening, it was too late for the US to do anything to stop the overthrow of the Shaw. It had nothing to do with the Carter administration as they were cut down at the knees by a blind CIA.
Civilization as we know it will be in ruins... by Le Vicious Fishus	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:44:31 PM
in less than a decade whether a liberal or a conservative is in power. So "gather your rosebuds while ye may," buckos. "Peak oil," folks. Google it and prepare for the end of the civilized world. Better yet, go here: http://tinyurl.com/6n3c4x and scroll down a bit.
Better yet by Le Vicious Fishus	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:46:27 PM
Are we headed for the end? http://tinyurl.com/59zsjy
It's called being objective 9000rpm... by morGoth	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:51:21 PM
...before I write something off, I want to see what it's about first. Can you tell me right now if this is going to be a good/bad movie? Have you read the book to which it refers? As for these deviates you seem so familiar with, are you saying there are none between, say, Boston and Lake Tahoe? Really, they’re all in Hollywood? The point about a declared war is that the entire country was behind the effort and it was largely due to the FDR administrations efforts. You can say the word “bogus” all you want but the facts are certainly there. Have you heard every “bogus” argument so that you can actually say it’s the most bogus? Are you saying there are no people in Hollywood capable of making an objective movie about war? That’s both an absolute and all encompassing statement…how omniscient you are! Declared war as in the US Congress declaring war. Who said anything about the UN besides you? Goodness, taking the high road right off the bat, huh? So, you know me well enough to call me names, eh? Ah yes, real bad-assed Internet courage on display. You really know how to discuss something don’t you? 9000rpm? More like 2mwy (2 miliradians per year). And, yeah, I’m proud of everything I do except maybe engaging Internet know-nothings like you.
Bush and his cronies,... by poeticwarriorII	Apr 22nd, 2008 01:53:10 PM
have done nothing but fuck up from the first day that dipshit was in office. Can we please have an IQ test and a minimum score as a requirement for running for any government job? Bush has that empty headed look in his eye almost all the time anymore.
Node32774 by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:00:49 PM
most and I'd say 80% come home fine. Few have the full blown PTSD, the way the movies love to make them majority of vets seem to have. I have nghtmares sometimes, i crash a UH-60 once, its not something you forget, Ive been shot at plenty, Hit power lines, even had a couple guys fall out the back, at low levels thank God. I see that stuff, and snippits of things. Alot of it is what ifs. Worse case things, my actions or failure to act getting people killed. That sort of thing. fortunately I was never in that position. But you think about it. They medical guys always seem to have it the hardest. even more so than infantry men.
NODE32774 by Richard Brooks	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:07:33 PM
I refuse to discuss my ethics or my code of morality because it is nobodies business. I will say that I am in no way on line to talk bollock-tics only movies and seeing a movie talkback descend into a 2nd rate politcal debate filled with angry fools makes me slightly ticked off
Most are just... different... by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:07:55 PM
I know its not saying much, but its little things. You seem muted. It is from always being "on" I think. You burn your candle out, some if that makes any sense. Most come home and come out of the service after a few years and, like me do something completely different. I didn't want to fly anymore. Things like that. Some come home and have a hard time, they drink alittle more, they act a little numb, they don't relate to softness, or quiet like they used to. Some want nothing, but that. Do some change, yeah. are some the same, yeah. Is it awful and are we all crazy or do the majority of us that come how become radically different? No.
sorry for all the typos by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:14:01 PM
I'm watching over a class of kids taking a test and trying to keep one eye on them and type.
nerosday by Stevie Grant	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:15:59 PM
I wasn't being a smart-ass or critical of the troops, I was just pointing out that a film had been made depicting American soldiers like raping, killing, pillaging, etc... and then never mentioned that they were punished.
Stevie Grant oh, no I got you. by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:20:13 PM
the (sigh) was just that someone did make a movie like that finally.
I'm Agressive and Politically Minded by WerePlatypus	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:23:50 PM
That's right. I am also a badass, as you will see. I know things, man. I learned them in school, ya fag. I am so knowledgable, that I know secret hidden facts about history that no one else on this talkback knows. I have read political commentary that will blow up your fucking head. The sheer weight of my conviction is so fucking strong, it is destined to change this country forever. Anyone else's response to my post will be met with derision - as it serves that you are 1. Stupid and uneducated 2. Unamerican with questionable ties to unsavory political machines both domestic and abroad 3. Unaware of just how much carnage your side has caused us in blood and treasure 6. Clueless about how many lives are saved by the policies I support 6. Are probably a pussy, sheep, whiner, or homosexual. But . . . enough about you, this post is about me, me me me ME, Mother fucker!! I AM so badass I will shove a cannon of rightous indignation down you peehole and pull my mightly trigger bomb of absolute truths until there is nothing left but my own heroic form, arms raised in victory on a smoking mountaintop of personal glory. Yeah! yeah, yeah! Oh crap . . . wait a sec . . . is this? Ah shit. This is wrong forum. I was looking for the Transformers 2 forum. Sorry everyone.
I'm out y'all by nerosday	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:24:11 PM

When is Hollywood going to get it?! by Rubiks Doob	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:25:28 PM
No one wants to see these Iraq movies because we have to see this crap all day long on the news. People go to the movies to escape the shitty reality of living in the USA under an idiot warmonger, not be reminded of it. Bombs away...
Films about the Iraq War are box office disasters by Luscious.868	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:26:39 PM
Use your fucking grey matter Hollywood. People don't want to pay to be reminded of Bush's massive fuck up. We hear about it every day in the news.
Politics aside by batjac	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:28:15 PM
Why would the military support a film against it? It would be like Exxon sponsoring Greenpeace. All business. Kind of like how Robert Redford and Cruise have all but wiped out the revived United Artists because of their bad business decision(s). Movies--TV-- in the end, it has to be what makes money. That said, I was involved in Hunt For Red October. THe military cooperation was incredible. The actors and crew were great. THe stars were taken out on a real boat for orientation. Sean Connery-what you see is what you get. Nice man. Alec Baldwin was fantastic with the sailors. Scott Glenn smoked---continuously.
and way off topic but..... by batjac	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:30:24 PM
Anyone heard a hint if REAPER is renewed?
"Ever see Three Kings? Black Hawk Down?" by Mgmax	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:32:26 PM
Yeah, when they came out-- long before the war in Iraq. I'm talking about the Rendition-Redacted-Lions For Lambs-In the Valley of Elah wave, which have all been what I said.
The Day Evil Won. by Sailor Rip	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:34:38 PM
Darkseid IS coming. I like saying "Darkseid" like how rappers say "West sieeeeeeeeeeeed", you know like, Darkseieeeeeeeeeed"
no more anti American war films please!! by rhine1784	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:38:23 PM
When is Hollywood going to figure out that the majority of movie going Americans do NOT like anti-American, anti-US Soldier movies in a time of war (whether you are for it or against it). Examples: In the Valley of Elah, Redacted, Rendition, Stop-Loss, Lions for Lambs. All flopping wastes of film.
Good point Rhine1784 by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:45:17 PM
No matter what side of the divide you fall on you know your pretty much are going to be upset coming out either way and angrier. Nobody wants to pay for that. Unless its Star Wars.
Also maybe cause non of it took place in Iraq by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:48:37 PM

MATT DAMON AS H. W. BUSH (WITH GREENGRASS SHAKYCAM) by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:49:52 PM
"R-r-r-r-r-r-read m-m-m-m-m-m-my l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-lips. N-n-n-n-n-n-no n-n-n-n-n-n-n-new t-t-t-t-t-t-t-tax-x-x-x-x-xes. "
WHO'S GOING TO PLAY L. PAUL BREMER LOUNGING by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:51:39 PM
by the pool and eating grapes under the palm trees?
GOTHAM YOU FUCKING TOOL by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:52:43 PM
They weren't in Iraq. They were in Oman or some shit.
The Best Part of This Movie by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:54:24 PM
Will be the part where the babies eat the Mongols. Come to think of it, that's the best part of any film.
The first part of Transformers was in Qatar by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:55:27 PM
I remember cause it had the most cringe worthy subtitle ever pop up on screen: Qater, 'THE MIDDLE EAST'. Derrrrr.... reallly? Sad part is I think some people in the audience I saw it with were probably like 'ohhhhh'.
OH YEAH, QATAR by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:56:11 PM
Same towels, different desert.
BSB and Gotham by Stevie Grant	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:56:24 PM
I'm pretty sure that base was in Qatar (which the movie patronizingly identified as "Qatar - The Middle East"). Yeah, I watched Transformers, don't hold it against me.
Czech dissidents love Reagan by RenoNevada2000	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:56:55 PM
They also loved Frank Zappa, who was certainly no Republican.
nevermind by Stevie Grant	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:57:10 PM
blindambition beat me to it.
WHO'S GOING TO PLAY THE HALLIBURTON EXECUTIVE by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:57:28 PM
who ignores the engineers' warnings and delivers sewage tainted water to the troops anyway?
Wonderful, I misspelled Qatar in the actual post by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:57:44 PM
Just pretend I was intentionally emulating Dubuyah's pronunciation.
GOOD THING BAY MADE SURE TO SAY "THE MIDDLE EAST" by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:58:27 PM
I could've mistaken it for Qatar, Indiana.
I Think There Is Something Both Sides . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 02:59:11 PM
. . . can agree on. Transformers simulanteously sucked and blew.
Qatar? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:00:03 PM
I thought they were in Decatur. Wottayaknow.
I LOVED THE KINGDOM by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:00:15 PM
Especially the final gunfight where Jennifer Garner takes down the Sheikh right in the fucking skull.
MATT DAMON!!! by Ultron ver 2.0	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:00:20 PM
/puppet voice
THE GROUND TRUTH WAS PRETTY GREAT, NODE by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:03:32 PM
I just got No End In Sight via Netflix. Gonna watch it tonight after Dancing With Stars.
The Kingdom would have been 10 times better if by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:04:14 PM
They didn't use the shaky cam. I'm guessing they were trying to emulate Bourne or Mann's Miami Vice, but the film was too polished to give it that guerrilla documentary look. The action/ chase sequence in last act was great though.
If anyone wants to know what kind of President Reagan was... by mojorising74	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:09:13 PM
You simply need to look at the country's deficit before going into the Reagan years and what it was coming out. Anyone can look like a great Dad burning through all his credit cards in a flash and pretending you're rich. But eventually you have to pay the credit cards back. The deficit started after World War 2 and continued to grow slowly but steadily with inflation. No US President could stop it. The national deficit went from $930 billion to more than three trillion between 1980 and 1990, the "Reagan years". Clinton brought the deficit back from three trillion dollars, to a ten trillion dollar surplus. Something no American president has ever accomplished. Forget FDR. He spent his presidency cleaning up his own errors in judgement. As a husband, Clinton may have been a failure. I don't know what his personal life with his wife was like. But personal life aside, Clinton was the greatest US president. Economically anyway. As far as letting Bin Laden get away? Anyone who's familiar with Richard Clark knows that all of the intelligence indicating Bin Laden's whereabouts was sketchy at best, the most likely source, the one who leaked the story, was hired on as a foreign correspondent with fox news. What a scoop! Clinton had also planned on invading Afganistan in the final days of his presidency, but didn't because he didn't want to sandbag the new president with a war. Had Al Gore been elected, he likely would have followed through with Clinton's plan to level Afghanistan. Instead, Clinton had Clark present his plan to the bush administration, a plan that was promptly ignored. Along with all other intelligence coming through Clarks office because he was percieved as "Clinton's guy". This can go on and on.
Actually that Qatar subtitle thing is excatly like by blindambition238	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:09:56 PM
Team America where every location was shown as being 'x miles from America'. Are those things even called subtitles actually?
Box Office Poison... by BoggyCreekBeast	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:14:36 PM
No matter the reviews, this one will wither and die at the box office. Give it up, Hollywood! We know what you think of "Bush's War," and we're TIRED of it!
Hey! by Sailor Rip	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:16:10 PM
A little girl sits in a swing, not swinging A tear rolls down her cheek "Where's daddy?" Jaiger
Ain't It Liberal News by Jackie Boy	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:21:55 PM
Nah, just fuckin' with ya. Love you guys.
Reagan: The Original Cut and Runner by The Wolf at the Door	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:23:00 PM
Lebannon, anyone? (Actually, thank God we got out of there when we did - took the Israelis another couple of decades to figure it out. But hey, since the Bushes blame the Clintons for being "weak on terror" in the 90s ... why not blame Reagan for the 80s, too?) At least you can say Reagan served his country ... as an actor. But the guy was so convincing at playing soldier, he'd convinced HIMSELF that he fought in WWII! Or at least he spoke in public about his memories of fighting in the war. Same diff.
Node32774 by Jackie Boy	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:24:45 PM
most of the time these days box office is opposite the quality of a film. Weren't the most profitable movie last year Transformers, Spiderman 3, and Shrek 3? Just saying.
Uncapie by toadkillerdog	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:25:16 PM
Some of what you say is true: Japan was indeed pushed into the war with the U.S. They were indeed desperate - so desperate, that they thought they could take on the United States which dwarfed them in terms of industrial might. That desperation was a direct result of the Oil embargo. Not pig iron or scraps. However, you are completely wrong about the motives of the United States and FDR in allowing pearl harbor to be attacked. This is one of those canards - no lets call it what is, a lie and smear tactic, that was fostered by isolationists, and later adopted by the far right - Note I did not say conservative. Theer si absolutely no proof that anyone in the United States gov't would knowingly allow a foreign country to attack U.S. soil, and kill U.S servicemen. The United Sates was going to enter WWII - agaisnt Germany, we did not need to be drawn into a pacific showdown with Japan. Japan badly miscalculated, and perhaps hoped it's allies would pull resources away from Pacific. That war could have been prevented, but for the Japanese desiring an empire - without the means to run it.
Why Iraq War movies aren't doing well by NoCalFlicks	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:29:01 PM
Well part of it is probably because the american public is disengaged from the war. As or right now it isn't even the #1 issue in the upcoming election, even though it ties into the economy a great deal. Also, most of the good documentaries/movies on the Iraq War subject are hidden away in arthouse theaters, while these big budget hollywood fluff films are being spashed in 10,000 screens across America.
Bringin Sexy....NO END IN SIGHT by Brians Life	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:30:58 PM
If you're not a fan of the Iraq War, get ready to be PISSED by No End In Sight. while most docs focus on the arrogance and greed, this one is ALL about the ignorance. Let me know what you think, we can talk tomorrow about the 22 year old girl that was in charge of traffic in Bahgdad.
MOROCCAN SPY CAN"T TAKE PICTURES IN A PUBLIC PLACE by leobloom	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:33:43 PM
And then does it anyway!! You can't trust these people, I tell ya!! And who wants to live in a place where you can't take pictures in a public place??
I didn't even realize Bourne was in the top 10 by Jackie Boy	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:35:30 PM
High five, Paul.
Node=Nads by Braffed	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:38:02 PM

BRIAN'S LIFE, NODE by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:39:28 PM
I heard good things about No End In Sight. Thanks for the background info.
NO END IN SIGHT by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:48:04 PM
Good call - great movie.
gotham_night by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:50:21 PM
Have you found a job yet? ZINGER!
300 homophobic? by Braffed	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:50:25 PM
No, it's not you fag!
Braffed by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:52:00 PM
You and gotham_night should get a room and see if you can't spawn even more uselessness.
NODE - SORRY BUT DID WE SEE THE SAME 300? by BringingSexyBack	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:53:23 PM
It was manliciousness incarnate!
Mr. Nice Gays... by Braffed	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:54:39 PM
Sorry, pumpk

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