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Mmm. Guess I'm first.
by Laserbrain
Apr 21st, 2008
05:30:52 AM
My hopes are still high for this...
by Laserbrain
Apr 21st, 2008
05:35:48 AM
Bring it on home, Steve.
Dang
by Antz
Apr 21st, 2008
05:43:25 AM
I've got to avoid spoilers for the next 5 months before I'll get a chance to see it.
Three Words -- THE PHANTOM MENACE
by LaserPants
Apr 21st, 2008
05:43:27 AM
Remember the disappointment, reign in thine expectations, and hopefully enjoy yourselves.

Also, I love the original Raiders, but never liked Temple of Doom or Last Crusade. I thought both sequels kinda sucked actually. So, if this is the best of the three, thats still not saying much.
Ending?
by DangerMan
Apr 21st, 2008
05:46:24 AM
Wells tends to get things right over there. As far as the ending longtime fans have been waiting for, I wonder if it's the same ending as leaked from that otherwise stupid "Saucer Men" draft?
Can't wait for the horrific bad-guy death
by Jor-El23
Apr 21st, 2008
05:50:30 AM
How will Blanchett's character die? We've had skin melt off and flake off. The bad-guy death in Temple wasn't as good but I think they'll have a good one here.
Mutt =
by ugh
Apr 21st, 2008
05:51:03 AM
Indy and Marion's lovechild!
No shitty Title spamming please,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 21st, 2008
05:51:08 AM
can we not just argue about what sort of headgear the archaeologist about town would wear?
30 days to go.
by AllieJamison
Apr 21st, 2008
05:56:07 AM
I'm kinda glad that Mori has remained pretty silent on the whole "bad buzz" thing. It's all a cryptic collection of subjective perspectives by "you don't know whom" anyway. And who knows who that guy Wells quoted is. Despite that it feels quite good to read his thoughts. Goddamn it, it feels just fanfuckingtastic. In the end, though, some people will like it, some will love it and many are probably going to be very disappointed. And who can tell on which side he/she's going to end up. Only 30 more days.
Yeah, not clicking that link
by Norm Cascade
Apr 21st, 2008
05:57:02 AM
What kind of degenerate cock sucker just HAS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS??? This is retarded, and so is anybody who clicks on the link, then brings the shit back here on the talkbacks. I realize AICN is supposed to be on the cutting edge of movie news (wanking motion), but this just seems irresponsible. No, wait... I mean fucking pathetic... that's all.
I followed the link just to see the pics...
by Kragmose
Apr 21st, 2008
06:15:18 AM
Didn't read any of the text. Oh no. But damn, it looks great.
Best sequel - not a stretch
by filmcoyote
Apr 21st, 2008
06:22:40 AM
I enjoy Last Crusade but it's not amazing and Temple is a horrible film. I hope this is good but Lucas has too much involvement for me to get my hopes up, it's not one of this summer's films i know i'll love like Dark Knight or Wall-E. I hope i love it but i can't get up the faith.
Lucas is using the "Phantom Menace Defense"
by OBSD
Apr 21st, 2008
06:23:03 AM
on this one and that has me worried. It's a defense that only someone like him could dream up and it goes a little something like this: "What? It's just a movie. It's not MY fault you've been anticipating another movie in this very popular series for 16 years. That's your fault. It's also your fault that the follow-up movies that you imagine in your head for the last 16 years are much better that the scribbings I wrote on a napkin while taking a shit. In fact everything is your fault. It's a great movie. If you don't see that, then it's your fault, not mine." When I first read that about Phantom Menace, I was miffed, but now that he's said it about Crystal Skull, it just makes me sad. Sad that he can fleece money from fans year after year and they still let him. And he's about to do it again. le sigh.
Only one way I'm seeing this...
by Rocco Curioso
Apr 21st, 2008
06:23:57 AM
and that's if Joe Pesci shows up at the end, tells a funny story, then looks at Shia and says "You know what you are?... you're a mutt!"(smashes Crystal Skull over Shia's head; laughter ensues).
Nah, think I'll wait. Not even reading this talkback.
by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks
Apr 21st, 2008
06:32:15 AM
I'm so fuckin excited right now.
There aren't that many spoilers, anyway.
by raw_bean
Apr 21st, 2008
06:34:05 AM
It's production notes, not a script leak. Sounds good though.
No more spoilers, leaks, or pics!
by Live.
Apr 21st, 2008
06:37:19 AM
This movie is as sold as it ever can be. Everybody has already made up their mind whether to see it or not. Further spoilers won't convince one more person to see this movie. All it can do at this point is *lessen* the desire to see it.
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
06:38:04 AM
"C'mon genius"
Oh God
by sean bean
Apr 21st, 2008
06:41:53 AM
I can't help myself. I've already ruined Iron Man for myself by reading every spoiler and review. Now I'm going to wreck Indy IV. Why do I do this to myself? What an idiot.
Don't bother clicking the link, no news there
by YackBacker
Apr 21st, 2008
06:48:36 AM
This is another waste of time source. Mori, you did the same thing pointing us to another "source" recently (can't remember the movie now, maybe DARK KNIGHT?). Dude, collecting online reports and making one omnibus post does not make you a "source!" This is 2008- this site has been aound for over 10 years. Don't bullshit us with these 1995 "internet journalist" sources. You all have and should do better than that.
"Ruckkehr"? Where is the "ü"? Or at least the "e" behind the "u"
by DerLanghaarige
Apr 21st, 2008
06:59:41 AM
It's "Rückkehr"! Think Heavy Metal!
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
07:00:01 AM
"Not as easy as it used to be"
filmcoyote
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 21st, 2008
07:08:41 AM
Temple is a horrible film? Wow.
not looking
by Mr_X
Apr 21st, 2008
07:11:09 AM
nope. not gonna do it you cant make me!
Jarv
by just pillow talk
Apr 21st, 2008
07:15:10 AM
We should ask NoDiggity that question.
A great movie can survive spoilers
by Jor-El23
Apr 21st, 2008
07:16:15 AM
Good morning pillowtalk
by Abominable Snowcone
Apr 21st, 2008
07:36:12 AM
I glanced over the article. Just a few minor spoilers here and there. Some stuff about Mac being a possible turncoat. A hint about John Hurt's role. Nothing to ruin the movie for me. Quicksand! Why'd it have to be quicksand!?
I´m not that strong
by CuervoJones
Apr 21st, 2008
07:41:05 AM
I´m gonna click.
I need to see the movie
by CuervoJones
Apr 21st, 2008
07:44:16 AM
NOW!
ANOTHER diner based on that Hopper painting
by Lenny8
Apr 21st, 2008
07:45:25 AM
Talk about going to the well over and over and over again....
Temple is a horrible film.
by CuervoJones
Apr 21st, 2008
07:49:32 AM
If you are a sad, sad person.
funny comment from that site
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
07:50:37 AM
maybe 4 or 5 comments down, someone is already crackin' on AICN- too funny!

Dzayson says ... This reads like a typical Harry Knowles fanboy knobjob review. If you're inclined to suck back whatever Spielberg and Lucas serve up time after time, of course you'll go bonkers for Indy 4. How many bullshit positive reviews did I read about the insufferable Star Wars Episodes II and III?

How goes it pillows and Abom?
by Lost Jarv
Apr 21st, 2008
08:02:15 AM
I miss Nodiggity. What a fool
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:05:59 AM
It's not the mileage; it's the years
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:06:04 AM
"It's not the mileage; it's the years"
ALL TALBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:07:49 AM
"Professor this is definately a dead end!"
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:10:44 AM
"You're a teacher?"
Temple
by filmcoyote
Apr 21st, 2008
08:10:49 AM
There is just nothing fun about Temple. These kinds of serials are about fun and adventure, that's what made Raiders great and Last Crusade entertaining. However Temple wasn't fun and entertaining and it lost all sense tof characterisation (not that Last Crusade made up here). Raiders was a brilliant film because like Jaws it was spectacle that also showed 70s-style characterisation. Marion is a strong, impressive character. Willie in Temple is justa cookie-cutter damsell in distress, no spark, no zip, no fun. Short-round and the mine-cart thing are too kiddish. The story is too slight and too dark. I'm all for dark in many films, hell most films, but these types of films by their very nature are fast, bright and breezy. The script for Raiders was able to deal with what should have been a much darker storyline than Temple in a clever, child-accessible way without just shoe-horning in a kid to get kid audiences on board. Temple just doesn't work. Last Crusade is kind of a product of its time but it gets by on brio. Raiders will always remain one of the best summer blockbusters ever created for its sense of style, wit, excellent story, well defined characters and sheer fun. I disliked Temple when i saw it aged 7 in the cinema and i've never warmed even vaguely to it. Last Crusade i loved at the time and still enjoy, although less than my 13-year-old self who's enthusiasm was through the roof that summer getting Batman and Indy in the same summer (ah, here we are again). Raiders just gets better and better, which should be impossible given that it's so perfect to begin with.
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:16:24 AM
"You're a teacher?"
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:17:15 AM
"You're a teacher?"
Mutt Williams and the Franchise of Doom!!!
by TheJake
Apr 21st, 2008
08:17:51 AM
Dear 8lb. 6oz. baby Jesus, please let me be wrong about this movie, pretty pretty please. XOXO - TheJake
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:18:03 AM
"You're a teacher?"
filmcoyote is spot on
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
08:20:35 AM
most people i know who like Temple liked it when they saw it as kids, and it was usually the first one they saw, having been an infant when raiders came out. short rounds, the carts, all that stuff is aimed at kids. it's full of ridiculous physics and other stuff for laugh value. it is nowhere near as big in scope or as artfully told as raiders or crusade. the treasure and the risk to the world are puny. a glowing stone? saving a village? put that against the ark and the holy grail,with much more historic mythos than a glowing rock...and put the nazis up against a bunch of towelheads with too much eye makeup on..dipping people in lava, making kids mine...to what great world ruling end?

raisers stands on it's own. crusade is a good continuation. Temple is the ewoks of the series. the ugly middle child whose only highlights can be summed up with: club obi wan,mountain rafting,crushing room, rope bridge.

and the raft and bridge both still fall into that bullshit physics category.

Kingdom of the Crystal Skullfuck
by random dude
Apr 21st, 2008
08:21:06 AM
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:26:21 AM
"You're a teacher?"
ALL TALKBACKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:27:07 AM
"You're a teacher?"
Yeah I thought I wanted to know spoliers for this movie
by Series7
Apr 21st, 2008
08:27:50 AM
Then I realized I didn't care. Its not like I need to know which X-men is going to die. Or if there is going to be a cameo for a certain character. Each Indy is made for the movie. So yeah don't care.
ALL TALKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:32:44 AM
ALL TALKERS TAKE NOTE!
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
08:33:21 AM
"Part Time"
indy 4 merch at hot topic?
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
08:34:05 AM
you KNOW there's gonna be some Agent Spalko baby tees in the girls section.

Indy 4 will be no Phantom Menace...
by sapno_krei
Apr 21st, 2008
08:48:32 AM
I remember how, about 5 minutes into TPM, I realized how much I missed Luke, Han, Leia and company. Yes, it was a STAR WARS movie, but without faces I knew. That was a huge strike against the prequels, and it didn't help much that the plot of the first film was so clunky that it prevented one from engaging with the characters.

Indy 4 has, at the very least, the advantage of not only being made by nearly the entire creative force which did the first three, but also featuring the same cast. This reason alone is enough for me to believe that Indy 4 will not disappoint. I'm not expecting the Second Coming, but I am expecting to have a smile on my face as I reconnect with an old friend. (Cue the Raiders March).

the spalko 'leg up' pic is hottttttt though
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
08:48:32 AM
so if you were avoiding the spoilers on the mayspace page, scroll down quickly enough to check that out. thigh! :D
Temple backlash surprising...
by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
08:50:36 AM
Raiders, of course, is a nearly perfect movie. Every note right on. Temple, however, goes for something else, the visceral thrill of the serials, only ramped up to 1000. I was 13 when that flick hit and it was the most fun I'd had at the movies up to that point. (since replaced by Cronenberg's CRASH, of course.. heh heh) Anyway, Temple seemed to be what the Jones franchise was all about. No complaints on Crusade either, though the big score, the Grail, was less than thrilling. (all that for a cup?) Anyway, if this thing packs the goods plus the old fashioned "aw shucks" swagger, it'll fill the bill.
Temple is very 'episodic'
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
09:01:35 AM
if there were enough movies for the series to be a true serial, if say, there was a tv movie every few years, or it was a tv show- then temple would be just fine. it's like one of the totally random x-files episodes. self contained, but doesn't build up to or connect with the series.

it's an episode, an instance, an excursion. but it's also an accidental journey, and that's probably why it doesn't work with the series as a whole. indy wasn't seeking this adventure, he fell into it and had to find a way out, saving people by default. plus the treasure was just crap. --the same stone that can bring bounty to a village can power a bullshit cult dunking statue and brainwash children? that's why i'm a bit worried about the crystal skull, while it's another totally fictitious treasure, at least mysterious crystal skulls do exist from south america, though not 'alien' in appearance. :/

Spoiler on Comcast On Demand?
by jlowry71
Apr 21st, 2008
09:08:51 AM
I don't know if this is a spoiler or just a mistake or what, but I was on Comcast On Demand this morning looking at some trailers in their New Movies section. For Indy 4 they're showing the trailer from the Super Bowl I believe. But when you read the trailer's description it says -- "Indy travels to the lost city of Atlantis." Anyone else here anything about an Atlantis connection to Indy 4?

by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
09:09:34 AM
Can't argue with any of your points Zom but I will offer this. With movies like this, my critical eye tends to get a bit myopic. "Raiders" is that "rare to the point of extinction" instance of entertainment and intellegence. The remainder of the series shaved off much of the smarts in favor of the thrill. I view these movies, hopefully, with the eyes of a dork kid who can still gasp "daaaaang" when something big explodes and our heroes get out in the nick of time. To do anything else is merely setting oneself up for inevitable disappointment. That said, I still do not like to be insulted, hence why The Phantom Menace smarted like a thumbtack in the eyeball.
correcting myself
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
09:15:00 AM
i know the glowing lingham stone did not actually power the sacrificial device or brainwash the children, and i do understand the subtext that power can bring good or evil depending on who controls it..i do

but come on, it's still a story with really bad indian stereotypes stealing a rock and making kids mine...for what? the thugee empire will take over the world with jewels and child labor? it's weak, guys. weak.

how do i know? because i've tried to sell my old "mola ram' mcdonald's glass on ebay and no body wants that crap.

I always thought Abner Ravenwood was the guy
by joeelliott
Apr 21st, 2008
09:17:23 AM
in the opening of Last Crusade. The one young Indy stole the Cross of Coranado from.
**Spolier Order of Scenes based on what I've read**
by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
09:21:31 AM
*Warehouse/Doomtown/Rocket Sled* *College / Skull exposition / Indy warned of his 'outing' as a Commie* *Intro of Mutt / Bike Chase / Train ride - Mutt motivation reveal* *Classic red-line flight montage* *Mexican town / Jungle Temple / John Hurt intro / Capture by Russians* *Marion reveal / Jungle chase / Quicksand / Father-son scene * *Temple Traps / Temple Climax* *Wedding or Retirement scene* What do you all think?
Lucas is right
by The Funketeer
Apr 21st, 2008
09:28:21 AM
It is just a movie. As much as I'm looking forward to this, if I'm disappointed, it won't be the end of the world and the first three movies won't have gotten any worse because this one wasn't as good as I wanted it to be. The Phantom Menace was no worse than Star Wars. The only difference was, I was 6 when I saw Star Wars for the first time and in my 20s when I saw Menace. Nothing will ever be as good as it was when you were 6 years old.

by FleshMachine
Apr 21st, 2008
09:48:25 AM
Funk, that's the dumbest thing I've read on here in awhile.
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
09:55:17 AM
By your logic bad films don't exist.
Lucas is WRONG
by mach6
Apr 21st, 2008
09:58:03 AM
The fact that Lucas would regard his work as "just a movie" shows how much disdain he has for his fans, and how little faith he has in his own ability as an artist. Is it just a movie? Sure, in the same way that the Mona Lisa is "just a painting" to someone without any sense of aesthetics or appreciation for the craft.

Lucas showed his contempt for the craft with the horrific abortions that were the Star Wars prequels, and what he subsequently did to the OT. Similarly, Indy 4 will suck, despite Spielberg directing.
"JUST A MOVIE"??
by FleshMachine
Apr 21st, 2008
09:59:24 AM
that is the biggest bullshit cop-out...thats like saying oh it's just a book or just a painting. Sure you can make "just" an anything! or you can make so much more. fuck lucas and his cop-outs. either its a good film or it isnt...all 3 indys films are at the very least really good films..i love all 3 and raiders is a GREAT FILM! the first 3 star wars films are all very good movies (fuck you jedi haters!)..the first 2 being GREAT FILMS! so when lucas says oh the critics already hate it and the audience expects to much...yeah we fucking do you shitty-prequel making douchbag! if you dont think you can make a great film then dont bother trying. lucas has done nothing but talk down this film from day one...read the vanity fair article...its pathetic. it like he has no confidence in his work. after churning out the lame ass garbage that was ep1-2-3 it has me worried...at least spielberg is a competant director,,that gives me hope. I"ll be first in line...but i dunno...is this a good film or just a bunch of old rich has-beens surrounded by yes-men doing a circle jerk. i really hope they made a great film. not a "don't get your hopes up it's only a movie" movie.
"Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes was no worse than the original.
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
10:01:47 AM
"The only difference was, I was ten when I saw the Heston version for the first time. Nothing will ever be as good as it was when you were ten years old."
At least we have Spielberg.....
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
10:03:00 AM
to keep Lucas's crazy ass in check a little bit. I don't think Spielberg has gone mad like Lucas yet.
i bet the trailer was a fake,
by Lloyd Bonafide the Korean War Veteran
Apr 21st, 2008
10:03:27 AM
after phantom menance's awesome trailer - then letdown, they have a semi-low-key indy trailer to keep hopes mediocre. then when the movie kicks ass, they make out like bandits.
The Temple hate is tired
by slone13
Apr 21st, 2008
10:10:42 AM

We've heard all the arguments. They don't hold up.

Verdict: Temple of Doom is a great time.

make out like bandits?
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
10:11:53 AM
i hope you mean blanchett and lebouf. i'd pay to see that action. pwa-hah
Temple of Doom is a great time.
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
10:13:20 AM
that's like saying the fat ugly girl has a great personality, and is a good dancer.

by IndiAbbey Jones
Apr 21st, 2008
10:17:51 AM
*Warehouse/Doomtown/Rocket Sled* *College / Skull exposition / Indy warned of his 'outing' as a Commie* *Intro of Mutt / Bike Chase / Train ride - Mutt motivation reveal* *Classic red-line flight montage* *Mexican town / Jungle Temple / John Hurt intro / Capture by Russians* *Marion reveal / Jungle chase / Quicksand / Father-son scene * *Temple Traps / Temple Climax* *Wedding or Retirement scene* What do you all think?
"Robocop 3 was just as good as Robocop"
by OBSD
Apr 21st, 2008
10:17:56 AM
The only difference is that when I saw Robocop, I wan't menatlly retarted. Seriously, dude, Episode 1 was shit. The big difference between Star Wars and Phantom Menace? Using "I was 6" logic? EVERYBODY enjoyed Star Wars. It appealed to people of all ages, so people who were 6 enjoyed it as well as people in their 30s and 40s. Only 6 year olds enjoyed Phantom Menace. You know, and the feeble minded.
IndiAbbey Jones...
by gringostar
Apr 21st, 2008
10:24:42 AM
six posts of "You're a teacher?" - come on man!
You Miss Me? You really miss me? I FEEL THE LOVE!
by NoDiggity
Apr 21st, 2008
10:28:39 AM
Maybe it's the nice spring weather, but these spoiler pics, especially those shots of the skull stone carvings, makes me feel overwhelmed by Indy nostalgia, and WANT this to be a good movie. It won't be, but I'm suddenly willing to hope against hope.
I very little you very big! Play with you no fun! Oh no be sen p
by GibsonUSA
Apr 21st, 2008
10:30:36 AM
No Short Round = No beating TOD.
"I wan't menatlly retarted."
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
10:32:58 AM
Really?
"Temple of Doom is a great time"
by slone13
Apr 21st, 2008
10:34:01 AM
Is absolutely nothing like saying "the fat ugly girl has a great personality and is a good dancer". At all. You definitely need to work on your similes.
Temple of Doom was great
by GibsonUSA
Apr 21st, 2008
10:36:08 AM
I dont know what your expectations are. It was a thrill. If you dont like TOD then what do you think of 99% of the other movies that come out in theaters every year?
IndiAbbey
by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye
Apr 21st, 2008
10:37:55 AM
no one gives a shit about your stupid line drops and scene order. what a waste of time
"the fat ugly girl has a great personality"
by GibsonUSA
Apr 21st, 2008
10:38:52 AM
I challenge any of the TOD haters here to prove that they have a hot girlfriend.
HA!
by OBSD
Apr 21st, 2008
10:38:56 AM
You corrected my spelling. Way to go. Here's a cookie. And a balloon. It says "I'm A Member of the JR. Spelling Police! I troll Message Boards Looking For Others' Spelling Mistakes Because My Own Life Is So Hollow!" It's a big balloon. You can tie it to your wrist.
OBSD
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
10:52:22 AM
I didn't correct anything. I just merely highlighted a statement where spelling made it amusing.

By the way, what color is the balloon?
TOD was great. Only time Spielberg showed a PAIR
by Tacom
Apr 21st, 2008
10:55:42 AM
Hearts plucked out of chests, kids being enslaved. Spielberg showed his dark side. And OF COURSE, he now disowns the movie and apologizes for it. How did he produce kids with Willie Scott when he was had his balls removed after they met?
Well, you're right.
by OBSD
Apr 21st, 2008
10:58:08 AM
When you're right, you're right. Sorry about that. You can still have a balloon though. It's Puce. And the cookie? Peanut butter with M & Ms.
I prefer oatmeal raisin. ;)
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
11:04:43 AM
still dont give a shit about this movie
by johnyaztec
Apr 21st, 2008
11:06:34 AM
Don't care, I'm just going to wait until it comes on FX
johnyaztec
by Shermdawg
Apr 21st, 2008
11:11:17 AM
You'll be waiting for awhile since this will most likely land on TNT.
I wish Lucas, Spielberg and the like
by INWOsuxRED
Apr 21st, 2008
11:11:40 AM
would find some of their leaks and bust them. Most of the non-foiler leaks and the non-promo leaks come from dorks who signed an agreement not to leak things, who know that the productions take all kinds of precautions to keep secrets, and who are being paid to do a job that involves not leaking information. There are thousands of film geeks out there who would give their left nut to work on a film like this and they'd actually keep their word and not leak things to nerd sites.
Lucas didn't "cry" about spoilers
by MattmanReturns
Apr 21st, 2008
11:27:26 AM
Spielberg did. Lucas kind of shrugged his shoulders and had the attitude of, "well that doesn't ruin the movie."
Jeff Wells a good source? He is the most miserable fucker alive!
by Proman1984
Apr 21st, 2008
11:31:13 AM
That said, Spielberg PUTS everyone to shame. This movie will own your ass.
Oh, and Temple of Doom is THE GREATEST ADVENTURE movie of all ti
by Proman1984
Apr 21st, 2008
11:32:25 AM
Suck it bitches!
Only time Spielberg showed a PAIR
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
12:01:03 PM
I agree. It even brought about the PG-13 rating.
I thought you were a teacher..........
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
12:06:15 PM
Indy: "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Archaeologist!"
Lucas didn't whine about the internet
by Shaner Jedi
Apr 21st, 2008
12:10:59 PM
re-read the article. He was pragmatic about it. It was Spielberg who was digging in his heels.
All I need to say is
by Abominable Snowcone
Apr 21st, 2008
12:15:14 PM
Seeing a new Indy movie in one month is gonna make me spooge. That's enough for me. I'm not going to the theater looking for the cure to cancer.
How come...
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
12:22:42 PM
Sallah isn't in this movie?
Herb West - No Sallah
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
12:36:17 PM
because Lucas is a douche and Arabs are "not good" for the current US cinema unless they're "bad".

Ok, not really. It's mostly because Lucas is a douche and the story isn't set in that part of the world (same reason I guess he wasn't in ToD.)

Why did I pick May 22 to get married?
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
12:37:26 PM
There will be no Indy on opening night for me.
I'm glad Sallah isn't in this movie...
by sapno_krei
Apr 21st, 2008
12:38:28 PM
While it's good to have Marion back after missing out on 2, too much familiarity is a bad thing. Kinda like having Boba Fett in 4 of the 6 STAR WARS movies (5, if you count the clones in Episode III).
No Sallah
by slone13
Apr 21st, 2008
12:41:24 PM
As finky noted, Indy's adventures in the newest flick don't take him anywhere near Sallah's neck of the woods. As much as I love Sallah, it's not as if Indy and him always worked together or anything. To shoehorn him in just for the sake of seeing him would be silly.
This movie will fucking OWN you
by Proman1984
Apr 21st, 2008
12:44:45 PM
Batman beware
finky089
by sapno_krei
Apr 21st, 2008
12:44:50 PM
"Why did I pick May 22 to get married? by finky089 Apr 21st, 2008 12:37:26 PM There will be no Indy on opening night for me."

Insert dirty joke here.

EW interview
by Tenenbaum
Apr 21st, 2008
12:46:36 PM
George is pretty bitter about the fan reaction to the Prequels. In the EW interview with Lucas and Spielberg, Lucas basically says that Indy 4 will suck bc all the fans already have their own movie mapped out in their heads. Spielberg flat out has to say that Lucas' comments aren't his own. Then they have an argument about digital vs. film.
All right, Let me collect my wits.
by NoDiggity
Apr 21st, 2008
12:47:08 PM
See, what thrilled me about those photos in one of the links were these really cool photos of Mayan architecture, with really cool skull designs set into the floor and walls of some ancient temple. But I realize that I was projecting MY Indiana Jones and friends into that cool setting. The Indiana Jones from RAIDERS (and to a lesser extent, from LAST CRUSADE). However, I remember now that almost EVERY photo and snip of film footage from the trailers has been LAME. Apathetic delivery from Ford. The omnipresence of Shia. The retarded CGI enhanced acrobatics of Ford. The unimaginative reuse of iconic locations, such as the Warehouse. Yes, it's still going to be bad. Yes, I have to see it in the theater just to see HOW bad. I'm looking forward to Speed Racer more, to be honest with you. I expect more from the Wachowskis. Matrix Reloaded was ten kinds of Awesome.
Having Marion back trumps other "cameos"
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
12:49:36 PM
Cameos from past characters can be fun, etc., but they do need to serve the story. A Marcus Brody rolse could have been (and seems like they might have wanted to if he was still around) been feasible in this film. But Marcus notwithstanding, bringing Marion back seems like a great character to have return. She left a great impression on all the Indyfans since Raiders and it sounds like the writers (Darabont? Nathanson? Somebody?!) figured out a way to have her character in the story that made sense. I'm glad there will be some new characters in this film, even if I'm not wild about who they cast for at least one of them. I'm just psyched to get a new Indy movie - whether it turns out fantastic or just "okay."
sapno_krei
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
12:51:33 PM
heh, I really left myself open to that, didn't I?

Zing!

Been a while, Diggity
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
12:55:39 PM
but, then I haven't been around as much as usual either.

Do you expect Speed racer to be better than Indy, or just looking forward to it more? (actually it sounds like both)

I suppose I could make a similar argument if the Wachowskis had never made Matrix Revolutions. That one was such a let down. Not necessarily as much as the SW Prequels (in aggregate), but then, my expectations for Matrix Revolutions weren't anywhere near as high was they were for the prequels pre-Phantom Menace.

finky089 and slone13
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
12:59:09 PM
Good points about Sallah, I hadn't thought of that.
Hey Finky.
by NoDiggity
Apr 21st, 2008
01:01:20 PM
I do think Speed Racer will be better, and I'm looking forward to it more. Only because of the most recent trailer ... it had looked like SpyKids shite until recently, to me.

I actually liked Matrix Revolutions as well. It was a very dark and sad ending for Neo and Trinity, but I still loved the whole Neo=Christ feel, and wept at his noble sacrifice (and Trinity's too).
Part 1=Marion, Part 2=Short Round, Part 3=Connery
by GibsonUSA
Apr 21st, 2008
01:24:02 PM
So that means Short Round is up for INDY 5 right? RIGHT??
PLAY WITH YOU NO FUN!
by GibsonUSA
Apr 21st, 2008
01:32:12 PM
OH NO BE SEN PIE! OH NO BE SEN PIE!

tod ftw
may 22nd
by AllieJamison
Apr 21st, 2008
01:44:49 PM
Hahahaa. Seriously, Finky? That's great. Congrats!
Idea / Speculation
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
01:48:27 PM
Just throwing this out there, and I expect to get totally flamed / hated. All this talk about the alien angle in Indy 4, and the idea that they could be the Close Encounters aliens, plus a couple of the production stills had me thinking. I wouldn't be upset if the film ended w/ the aliens showing up and Indy leaving w/ them on some last adventure. Cut to: the closing scenes of Close Encounters where Dreyfuss is waiting to get on the ship. And in the background, as they're listing off the names of the returnees, walking of the ship is "Dr. Indiana Jones." Although, from those new images, now thinking the closing scene will probably be Indy and Marion in the famous diner painting come-to-life. Alright, bring on the flaming / hating.
Another Wild Guess
by Rebeck2
Apr 21st, 2008
01:59:30 PM
Something about the way guy #2 (PR guy #2?) describes the ending being everything the fans could hope for and a resounding reaction, reminds me of when Connery showed up unexpectedly at the end of Costner's Robin Hood. Could it be, despite the press releases that Connery passed, that he does the same thing here?
connery did drink from the grail
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
02:15:47 PM
sure it healed his wound but maybe made him live a wee bit longer? i think connery looks younger than ford these days anyway
and i'm joking- i don't want to see that
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
02:23:19 PM
but anythign's possible in loopholeywood
So - Is it the skull of an alien?
by sevadro
Apr 21st, 2008
02:30:45 PM
And how exactly would that help the Nazis do anything? Don't all answer at once.
russians. not nazis
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
02:32:47 PM
but, how does an alien skull get crystalized and have a fixed jaw?
CONNERY!!!
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
02:52:19 PM
It would be an awesome moment if Sean Connery would show up in this film for a brief cameo. That would be like great icing on an already incredible cake. I have no doubt that this is going to be a terrific film. And anybody who goes to this flick ready to hate it is not worthy to carry the title of FILM FAN.
The Funketeer, Lucas is filling your brain with shit
by YackBacker
Apr 21st, 2008
02:53:39 PM
Well, if Lucas thinks this works are "just movies" then I don't think he'd mind us ignoring all the chinzy merchandise he pushes along with his movies. I'll stick with paying attention to just the movie. That way I won't be distracted away from how bad his movies can be. Fuck Lucas.
THE LUCAS LEGACY
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
02:58:05 PM
George Lucas has all the things we see today possible. If he hadn't had the balls to take the chances that he took with STAR WARS, then sites like this would be non-existent, modern cinema as we know it would not exist, and you Lucas-haters would just have to find some other illegitimate topic to bitch about.
no reason to go into this hating it..
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
02:58:32 PM
so many people here are just ready to hate anything because it isn't the fan fiction they've been brewing in their head for years in between movies.

this looks to follow a winning formula. no doubt people will say it's too formula- or it's like raiders crossed with crusade...who gives a fuck? heap it on.

absolutely no reason to go into this hating. not even the 'bouf can slow this down.

THE LUCAS LEGACY-PART II
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
02:58:52 PM
I Have A Geeky Question For You, Too
by Rebeck2
Apr 21st, 2008
02:59:01 PM
Since when do the classic "grey" (movie) aliens have teeth?? That's a new one. Will there be biting? Will Blanchett get chomped by an E.T.? Wow, I need to get a life.
THE LUCAS LEGACY-PART II
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:02:42 PM
Give Lucas and Spielberg some credit. These two are probably the most successful filmmakers of all time, and deservedly so. SO WHAT if everything they make isn't on a par with STAR WARS or JAWS. These are only two of a rare handful who, when they put out a film, it is worth watching. Save your hatred for the carbon-cutter pissants who turn out all of this been-there, done that horror crap that is filling up the mulitplexes.
SHIA LEBEEF AS H. W. BUSH
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 21st, 2008
03:08:24 PM
'Read my lips. No, no no no, no no, no no nono no no! no nono no no no! no no new taxes.'
HAVE FUN!!!
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:10:57 PM
Here's something new for you film-haters to try-the next time you go to a movie, go into it with an open mind. You might find your cinema experience more enjoyable. The bottom line is this-if you hate what Lucas and Spielberg do, then stay home with your mommies. Don't buy a ticket. I know I'll have a better time knowing that there is some mongoloid sitting behind me before the lights go down telling his posse what a piece of crap the movie they've just paid $$$ to see is going to be. Just stay home and watch your reruns of BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER. That would make everything more pleasant for everyone.
i think solobear is harrison ford.
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:13:43 PM
he sounds like an angry old man. and i agree with him
THE INDY SCORE
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:14:26 PM
Does anyone know if there have been any postings of cuts from the new INDY score by John Williams? I've seen the track listings, but I'm ready to hear some of that John Williams magic!!!
ZOM-BOT IS A PERCEPTIVE DUDE!!!
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:16:42 PM
Hey bud, you couldn't be more right!!! It's nice to know that there is someone out there who knows how to appreciate something. It does piss me off to the nth degree to see people dissing stuff that I enjoy, more so when they truly know nothing about it.
I expect a shit sandwich.
by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz
Apr 21st, 2008
03:17:19 PM
And I am sure that's exactly what the new Indy will be. A nice steaming shit sandwich.
SHORT ROUND AS H. W. BUSH
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 21st, 2008
03:20:12 PM
'Wead my lips. No new taxes. DOLL!!!'
Reminds me....
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:22:40 PM
Again about the alien conjecture, I think the last track on the soundtrack is called "departure." Can be interpreted differently, but still...
ooh ohh soundtrack musings
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:28:49 PM
whether they get so blatant with the visuals, wouldn't it be cool if the 'famous 5 notes' from encounters was worked smoothly into that closing (departure) score?
CE3K
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:32:43 PM
It would certainly put a big smile on this fan's face. Williams is a master. The music that he composed-especially between 1977 and 1984-is nothing short of magnificent. When Jerry Goldsmith passed away, not only did I mourn his passing, but it made me appreciate John Williams all the more. He's not getting any younger (none of us are) but composers on a par with Goldsmith and Williams are truly few and far between.
poor Jonathan Ke Quan (short round)
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:33:22 PM
most people don't even know he was vietnamese playing japanese in most of his roles.

IMDB has some surprising stuff on him, but his last movie was foriegn in 2002, but he helped with fight choreography in x-men? wtf!

Jonathan Ke Quan
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:36:17 PM
I hold out some hope that one of the INDY rumors I read quite a while ago might be true-that the film has some surprising cameos. Wouldn't it be swell if short Round made another appearance on the big screen!
Short Round
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:39:41 PM
For that matter, would it kill them to do another Goonies flick?
short round cameo.
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:39:58 PM
it'd be great if short round cameo was of some smuggler or ex-con, whose current opinion on indy wasn't that good. not like backstabbingly bad, just pissed that he was kinda lulled into a life of criminal hijinx and then abandoned.
Cameos
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:40:41 PM
I know the nazi monkey is dead from bad dates, but maybe there will be a new Commie space monkey! His name shall be "Pinko."
on the other hand
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:41:08 PM
it would be equally good to see short round doing very well, or maybe also having gotten into teaching or archaeology
GOONIES 2
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:42:09 PM
Absolutely. This has been something that has been rumored and talked about off and on for quite a few years. Get that cast back together with Richard Donner and you'd have something that true movie-geeks everywhere would flock to.
goonies 2, breakfast club 2, etc
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:46:44 PM
instant box office from the 30 somethings and the hot topic 'the 80's are cool' generation.

i'm 30 and i need some closure. seeing my childhood characters dealing with adventures and issues in middle age, done well, would be hilarious.

Captain Katanga
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:47:44 PM
No cooler character in the Indy series. Bring back Katanga!
CAMEOS-AHHH, THE POSSIBILITIES
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:47:53 PM
Henry Jones Sr., Short Round, Sallah, BRING 'EM ALL ON. It's been 19 long years since Dr. Jones has been on the silver screen, why not make this a movie to remember. Spielberg would certainly be clever enough to put all of these guys into the film, and not make it look stupid or contrived. If nothing else, it would certainly leave the fans smiling.
Soundtrack musings
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
03:48:55 PM
I want to speculate on stuff like "Departure", but I couldn't bring myself to read the track listings for the CD when that info came out the other week. I guess some part of me still wants to be "unspoiled" for this film.
definately ways to sneak in cameos
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:49:56 PM
-without looking forced...if they can't figure it out let me write it for 'em.
zom-bot.com
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
03:51:07 PM
"seeing my childhood characters dealing with adventures and issues in middle age, done well, would be hilarious."

As a fellow 30yr old, I think you're onto something there. Truly.

departure:
by zom-bot.com
Apr 21st, 2008
03:53:15 PM
noun

The act of leaving.

egress, exit, exodus, going, withdrawal

death? flying saucery? i'm liking that CE3K time travel musing more and more. then the 5th indy movie could be indy being old and crotchety in the late seventies! j/k about that bit.

Indy
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:55:53 PM
If they count the Young Indy Chronicles as canon, thought it was always cool that there was Super Old Indy w/ the patch over his eye. Still alive, but having logged waaay more mileage.
Goonies 2
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
03:56:21 PM
The assembled cast and Dick Donner talk a little about reuniting for Goonies 2 on the DVD commentary. But it all seems like as much of a pipedream as an honest-to-god Ghostbusters 3. Some components want to do it, others aren't so big on it and ultimately it comes down to having a good enough story for all parties to agree on.

For years we heard this was basically the case with Indy IV, but it FINALLY got made, so don't give up hope. Then again, it remains to be seen what kind of film Indy IV will turn out to be. Although I would love to revisit the Goonies and think Zom's got a great premise for building a story around, it's probably better to leave these childhood delights in our memories (or give the film theatrical re-releases!) instead of making sequels.

I think the rumored plot behind a potential Goonies 2 was going to focus on the children of the Goonies going off on an adventure similar to their parents' original one, only the parents would then reteam to go after their kids.

The Fun Of It All
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
03:56:34 PM
This is why I love these films-it's great to be around fellow fans who are ready to talk about and enjoy these flicks as much as I am without geting all negative and nasty about them. Having fun is what it's all about. Always remember that, and the darknened theater and the lines you stand in to get in there will be places you treasure. Sorry if I sound maudlin, but I'm tired of the nay-sayers and doombringers. To quote Oddball from KELLY'S HEROES, "Knock it off with the negative waves!"
Here's one...
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
03:59:43 PM
Over the months we've spoilered and speculated over pretty much everything. One thing I'll be psyched to see is how they do the opening Paramount Mountain dissolve. Raiders had the South American mountain; Doom had the Chinese gong; and Last Crusade had, what? That Utah rock formation? I forget.
Embeedeuce
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
03:59:53 PM
Lucas has all but stated he doesn't count YIJ Chronicles as "canon" with both Indy now having a "son" instead of a daughter and more so by having the "Old Indy" bits removed from the DVDs.

I guess you could argue that just because a daughter doesn't show up in KOTCS and Mutt does (if Mutt really is his son, which I have doubts about), it doesn't preclude Indy from still having a daughter that he doesn't find out about until still later in his life. It just makes it even more unlikely to happen.

GOONIES 2
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
04:01:50 PM
I agree. If the script is good, then make it. JAMES BOND shouldn't be the only ongoing film character. I got quite a charge out of seeing RAMBO kicking ass again, and going on another balls-to-the-wall adventure with John McClain was a hoot! Give me more GOONIES, show me another CONAN. Hit me with another STAR TREK. And while you're at it, Hollywood, why not pepper me with some really good original films.
Yeah, the Utah rock formation was Last Crusade
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
04:02:20 PM
That's a good question Embeedeuce. If the film opens in that New Mexico location, I wonder if it'll be a craggy southwestern mountain?

Or if it opens in an interior shot somewhere, perhaps it'll be a poignant piece of art or an old map of some sort - semi-related to the plot- that the logo will fade into.

So wait...
by Embeedeuce
Apr 21st, 2008
04:08:26 PM
Did Indy nail Catherine Zeta Jones or not??
Catherine Zeta Jones
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
04:14:24 PM
I don't know about Iny nailing her, but I do know that she would make one Hell of a WONDER WOMAN! They don't need to find some 18-year-old vapid starlet to fill that red-white-and blue suit. It's just tooo bad that the film has been put on the back burner.
CZJ as WW
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
04:17:08 PM
agreed and agreed. Do you remember when Entanglement came out and they had that banner poster of her with her long leg stretched across it? I felt so dirty whenever I'd see one.
LOL - "Entanglement"
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
04:18:28 PM
what a dullard I can be. I meant "Entrapment". Hell, I was too busy oggling the poster to read the name of the movie anyway.
Movie scores & Goonies
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
04:21:56 PM
since we were briefly speaking of both, I thought I'd share a link with you guys to a guy on YouTube who has uploaded about 25 minutes of Goonies score (and Cyndi Lauper's Goonies R Good Enough). I made a playlist from his tracks and enjoy listening to it every once in a while.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Al dabarran

Just make sure to remove the spaces. He's got some other good scores there, too.

Finky's getting married???!
by Braffed
Apr 21st, 2008
04:23:27 PM
Seriously, I hope you and your husband have a wonderful life!
But...negative words are FUN to write!
by Drath
Apr 21st, 2008
05:06:59 PM
And there in lies my explanation of all the shit-talk that goes on about this movie, George Lucas, the Star Wars Prequels, Shia the Beef, CGI, and hell anything that gets much if any attention from talkbackers. BTW, I think the movie looks fine, and I'm fine not knowing the secrets. Amazing how much of my good will they earned bringing back Karen Allen though.
SLOTH AS H. W. BUSH
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 21st, 2008
05:27:58 PM
'Weed muh wihps. Ro ruu raxet.'
Sloth and Toxic Avenger: separated at birth?
by finky089
Apr 21st, 2008
05:40:27 PM
only Mama Fratelli knows for sure
INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DIMINISHING RETURNS
by LaserPants
Apr 21st, 2008
05:45:22 PM
Lets hope this doesn't menace phantomly.
INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DIMINISHING RETURNS
by LaserPants
Apr 21st, 2008
05:49:08 PM
Lets hope this doesn't menace phantomly.
Wow...
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
05:52:16 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how fast a Talkback can die, it's like somebody hits a switch. It makes me think that there must be an alternate title spam marathon going on or something.
Theres Just Not Much Left To Say
by LaserPants
Apr 21st, 2008
06:10:15 PM
What else is there to say about this project, really? At least until it actually comes out and everyone lovehates it and starts pukecumming on it. I have no expectations, so I'm sure I'll at least be entertained.
The Short Round Factor
by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
07:03:47 PM
Back in the summer of '03, I was thrown into a room of freshman scriptwriters and we hashed out, per our bosses, the next Indiana Jones flick. I believe my take on it was that Jones was tasked to work his way into the recently Red Chinese overrun Tibet and find a doorway to what was, for all intensive purposes, Heaven and/or Hell. To add some cool conflict, a fellow scribe suggested that Short Round was a midlevel soldier in the Red Army and part of the brigade that stumbled upon his old mentor, Dr. Jones. We discover their father/son relationship had soured over the years and Shorty is bitter as all hell. When it appeared that Jones was on the verge of execution, Shorty saved the day and the duo finished the job. Big pyrotechnic finale, or course :D Nothing ever came of it, of course, but it was quite a fun week of work.... and, for a change, we got paid! Thought it was interesting that Shorty was mentioned in earlier posts... hadn't heard a lot about him as TKOTCS marches toward release.
The correct title
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:05:43 PM
I believe the film is called INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL. Why don't you morons stow the infantile title substitutions, lay off Lucas, Spielberg and Ford, and go find something better to do with your time than diss a film that isn't even out yet. I hope when it comes to your town, that you are sold out of the showing you plan on attending.
To the Major:
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:08:47 PM
I like your idea, and it's nice for once to see something here that is at least fun to read. We've all had our ideas of what a great INDY adventure could be. If I have one complaint about these films, it's that, in my humble opinion, they should be like BOND films, one every three to five years.

by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
07:15:09 PM
Thanks solo! Betcha' if this thing makes some serious bank this summer, you may get your wish. As self-important as Lucas and Spielberg can be sometimes (not that it's a bad thing, per se), they are first and foremost MOVIE FANS and you know this particular franchise is close to their collective hearts. Probably leap at the chance to make a few more before hanging it up...
FURTHER ADVENTURES
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:21:40 PM
Many moons ago, at the tenth anniversary STAR WARS convention in Los Angeles, I attended the Q7A session for the about-to-go-into-production INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE. I asked if Harrison Ford decided to hang up the hat if they would consider casting someone else in the role, such as with the JAMES BOND films. I was largely booed by the crowd. It was a humbling experience to be sure, but, as much as I like Harrison Ford, I still, to this day believe that another actor in the role would not be such a bad thing, as long as the creative integrity of the series was maintained.
FURTHER ADVENTURES PART II
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:28:12 PM
That is not to say that I think Harrison Ford should leave this role. I look at it this way. When Sean Connery left the Bond series, it continued. And I still look forward to the BOND films. And just because William Shatner's fat ass isn't planted in the captain's chair doesn'r mean I don't want to see another STAR TREK film.
Further Further Adventures
by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
07:38:25 PM
Couldn't agree more on all fronts. Dunno' if they're grooming Shia for an eventual full-time fedora but if so, great. Not quite comprehending the bile that this particular actor receives on this site - - perhaps his choice of projects or his personal life, I have no clue. But if "Mutt" Jones or whatever moniker he ultimately goes by (assuming, of course, he is related to the Jones legacy in some way...I'm in a relatively spoiler free zone over here) is the future of the franchise, as long as the writing and filmmaking prowess is there, so am I.
FURTHER ADVENTURES x 3
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:44:26 PM
Absolutely. And as far as all these people being down on Shia, all I can think of to say is, imagine the crap that these twerps would be spewing about Harrison Ford if this site had been around in 1977. I think some of these so-called "fans" are only fans of their own negative attitudes and ability to spew retarded rhetoric.
Looking Forward
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:50:34 PM
I just know that every year a bunch of films come out that I look forward to. I see them, and then my opinion is formed. If something I'm looking forward to seeing turns out to be junk, I look at it this way. I gave the film a chance. And seeing a crappy film every now and again just helps to to appreciate the good ones even more. And I can say that I've never seen a Steven Spielberg film that I've felt was junk. I've liked some of them more than others, but this is one guy you can count on to not turn out crap.
Further Adventures Cubed plus 1
by Major Hockshtetter
Apr 21st, 2008
07:57:49 PM
You bring up an interesting point, solo. As someone who has worked on the fringes of the film biz for about fifteen years, this site and its Talkbackers are a real wild card out west. Don't think for a second that AICN doesn't come up repeatedly in various creative meetings and isn't monitored regularly by the powers that be (or at a minimum by an underling who reports and summerizes to the powers that be). In a business that regularly falls prey to vapidness caused by too many non-creative types making creative decisions, AICN and all it entails COULD be a force of real change. Sadly, it's the brainless yokels littering these talkbacks that torpedo what could be a viable link of communication between fan and film community.
THE SUMMER MONTHS
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
07:58:03 PM
My must-see list for this summer is, in order of release: IRON MAN INDIANA JONES AND THE KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL THE INCREDIBLE HULK WANTED HELLBOY II: THE GOLDEN ARMY THE DARK KNIGHT THE X-FILES: I WANT TO BELIEVE THE MUMMY: TOMB OF THE DRAGON EMPEROR THE PINEAPPLE EXPRESS TROPIC THUNDER BABYLON A.D.
The Major's Point
by solobear
Apr 21st, 2008
08:03:52 PM
I have to agree with you there. Back in '87, I worked as a production assistant for V.C.E., a visual effects company run by ex-ILM alumnus Peter Kuran. It was probably the best summer job I ever had. All of these people who claim to love films so much should think about what they say. It shines a dark and sad light on those of us who DO truly hold a special place in our hearts for films and the art of filmmaking. One thing for sure, though, is that no matter how pissed off I get at what some of these idiots spew, my love for films is never diminished, just emboldened.
Chase scene - Speeding vehicles, Indy jumps onto a russian jeep
by Orionsangels
Apr 21st, 2008
08:15:57 PM
There's a picture of it somewhere online. It looks badass
Still waiting
by mvckalel
Apr 21st, 2008
09:06:02 PM
What spoilers?? I mean, common sense...
Major Hockshtetter
by Herb West
Apr 21st, 2008
10:38:04 PM
Re: The Short Round Factor- A bit late but that sounded like a great idea. I think fans could accept an adult Short Round faster than Shia.
What does the skull "do"
by I Dunno
Apr 21st, 2008
10:39:31 PM
WE know what the ark does. We know what the Grail did (not a very quality product BTW). I have no idea what the Sanakara Stones do so is the scull going to do something, hopefully kill the Russians?
Oh my God! The guy can read AND type the press kit!
by Uga
Apr 21st, 2008
10:39:57 PM
This is huge! Seriously, though, to be the best Indiana Jones SEQUEL isn't that tough to come by.
No "further adventures."
by I Dunno
Apr 21st, 2008
10:52:17 PM
Ford is Indy, period. And don't hand me Sean Connery. He played Bond for what, 5 years before being replaced? Not the same thing.

And bringing Short Round back would like bringing Boba Fet back.

Connery
by Rebeck2
Apr 21st, 2008
11:16:55 PM
Was Bond for five MOVIES. Then number six with Diamonds Are Forever after Lazenby. (And then seven later on, unofficially) It is absolutely a fair comparison - the posters didn't say "Sean Connery IS James Bond" for nothing. The difference is that the character was already established in a series of books. No offense but Indiana Jones is a fairly shallow creation of Lucas's - a name, a hat, and a whip. It's Harrison Ford (with Spielberg's great human touch) that brought him to life. It would be hard to see someone else play him. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't spin off the Shia LaBeouf character in the future. Hollywood is shameless that way. And I actually think the kid has much the same kind of self-deprecating charisma as Ford and will grow into a very likable hero figure in whatever movies he does.
Things I dislike
by hopewell1
Apr 22nd, 2008
12:09:14 AM
1. The first two thirds of Temple of Doom. 2. Sean Connery turning Last Crusade into a vanity project (i.e. Indy as chump in his own movie) 3. The tank scene (Indy escapes crushing death by...a lucky ricochet) 4. People who insist on calling Jack in the Box things like jack in the crack, i.e. people who can't leave a title alone without adding their own spin. We get it. Indy's old. 5. speculative bitching 6. People who can take 7 bucks and two hours of their lives they feel they wasted on Phantom Menace and bitch about it for 9 freakin' years.
"or at a minimum by an underling who reports and summerizes"
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
04:27:38 AM
We know of him. His name's Philibrick and his life, frankly, sucks.
Temple haters fail.
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
05:39:46 AM
Raiders is an update of, and homage to, the old movie serials. TOD, by contrast, is a 1930's pulp novel come to life. If you've ever read any non-Conan stories by Robert E. Howard, for example, you'd immediately notice the similarities in tone, pacing and motifs.

Crystal Skull seems to be following a similar development, becoming an update/homage to 1950's anti-Commie/sci-fi flicks.

Know your pop cultural history and become a happier and more content movie geek.

That Doesn't Make Temple A Good Movie, Doc
by LaserPants
Apr 22nd, 2008
05:59:22 AM
Yes, yes, we all realize the source inspiration, Doc. Its is still a crap movie. As was Crusade. Films should be judged on their own merits, not the material they're inspired by, right? Raiders is the only classic in this series, the only one worth watching more than once. Crystal Skull will probably be entertaining, especially as a nostalgia object, but ultimately forgettable as a film.
Temple of Doom sucks royal monkey dick.
by Motoko Kusanagi
Apr 22nd, 2008
06:00:17 AM
The opener is cool and the ending on the bridge, too. But that crap between those parts is just boring, annoying, laughable and infantile. I refuse to think that the Berg shot this part himself and guess it must've been the Boll in his early years.
LaserPants
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
06:07:58 AM
So far, most of the complaints I have heard regarding TOD are things which can be directly traced to its pulp roots.

TLC can't really decide what it wants to be and as a result it's an amorphous, meandering, lumbering mass of cinematic potential but very little delivery. TOD does exactly what it sets out to do from beginning to end and is much more satisfactory.

I should add that this is all relative and I still consider TLC to be miles ahead of almost all action/adventure movies made today and I do enjoy watching it - although not as much as Raiders and TOD.

I like Temple and Raiders,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
06:13:14 AM
I'm OK with Crusade, but frankly they all piss on last year's action movies.
How does TOD's "pulp roots" explain it's noisy stupidity?
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
06:59:04 AM
Did Robert E. Howard's pulp non-conan pulp tales insist on a 5 minute rendition of "Anything Goes", with severe closeups of Spielberg's new love interest in order to try and make her into a star? Was it a prerequisite of a "pulp" story that it make no logical sense? I've read Howard's pulp stories, and they are sometimes cheerfully gratuitous in the violence and sex department, but they try to justify their existence logically most of the time.

Doc, just chalk it up to youth. You were young, Temple has fond childhood memories for you. But it's a bad movie. Trust us, who weren't 8 when we saw it.
NoDoggity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:03:46 AM
The violence and sex in REH's stories wasn't motivated any more than in TOD.

And please, the Anything Goes opening is both funny and awesomely out of left field, and signifies quite nicely that this ride is going to be somewhat different than Raiders. Get over it.

Oh, and I was 17 when TOD came out.

DocPazuzu ...
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:09:51 AM
... I'm flabbergasted. Were you drunk at the theater? Are you honestly telling me that when that Paramount Mountain faded, you were delighted that it didn't fade on Indy in the middle of another tense adventure, but a MUSICAL? You were really so jaded and sick of RAIDERS by the time you saw TEMPLE that you found it's "out of left field" un-Raiderishness "refreshing" ? What did you do, watch Raiders incessantly over and over until you were sick of it or something?
You're a mass of contradictions, diggers, old chum
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:12:07 AM
Basically, I seem to remember you slating this on the basis that it was going to be an unoriginal retread of Raiders- and now you slam temple for doing something "out of left field".

I'm glad you've shown up though, this has been a very argument-free few days.

I will give you though,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:13:50 AM
I was about 6 when I saw temple and loved it.

I recentally saw it again and loved it. Maybe it was nostalgia, or maybe it was the unwise afternoon drinking, but I really enjoyed myself. It is a good adventure film, sure it isn't as good as Raiders, but it is a thoroughly enjoyable pulp story.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Jarvy McJarveson...
by Braffed
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:15:13 AM
You silly bitch.
NoDiggity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:17:20 AM
Nothing to add to Jarv's post really...

Except maybe "NEWT IS JONES!"

Fuck off Braffed
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:19:02 AM
Newt=Jones
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:20:15 AM
the way Braffed= fully functioning useful member of society, with no severe emotional and personality disorders or weight problem.

Discuss.

NoDiggity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:23:08 AM
Are you telling me that your fruit fly attention span wasn't satisfied when TOD faded into another mid-adventure Indy after Anything Goes? Was the song, like, too long or gay n stuff?

Or is it merely that you're overjoyed that there is a detail you can use to make yourself sound smarter than you really are when discussing Indiana Jones?

Lost Jarv, it has to reproduce some of the mood.
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:23:25 AM
For instance, Indy has to kinda be the same character. We want to see him globe trot and hunt treasure in dangerous exotic locales. We don't want to see some girlfriend of Spielberg's mugging for the camera because he's got the hots for her and thinks he's being shoving her belipsticked puss in the Raiders fans' faces before the movie can properly start. I mean, it would be even more "refreshing" if Bugs Bunny and all his Looney Tunes friends showed up and joined Indy on his adventures, right? But I would be inconsisten for complaining about that because I ask for some originality in a new Indy movie, instead of just sadly copying every little iconic moment from the first film? I liked what the first film did. I want it to make more NEW stuff in that same vein, that same SPIRIT, not just hackily repeating the elements. Not just "Gotta show Indy with Cobwebs on his hat" "gotta show Indy with a tube fired missile launcher" "gotta show Indy kicking enemy army guys out of moving military vehicles". It can still have the same spirit without being a retread of old previously done elements, and objecting to Bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes being in the movie doesn't condradict that.
"belipsticked puss "
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:26:42 AM
Sounds like something out of The Fast Show.

"Bono estente, pussycat..."

DocPazuzu ...
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:30:17 AM
I suppose you didn't notice that, after putting up with that stupid musical number, and staring up the nostrils of Spielberg's girlfriend, we were instantly transported to the tension and adventure of ... guys sitting around in a nightclub. With Indy acting out-of-character, trading cool historical artifacts AWAY for a boring piece of cut glass, and a pointless and illogical action scene where Indy dodges bullets and performs actions stunts AFTER being given a poison that should be making him less and less capable. (he seems most affected right after they give it to him, which is why he surrenders the diamond). Massive illogic. Audience intelligence insulted. Too much goofiness and funniness, undermining any tension and sense of real danger. Sure, I was able to wait, but look what I got. Crap.
Jarvic Von Jarvoski
by Braffed
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:30:58 AM
Don't be like that. I miss our little chats...I haven't heard much from Abom or Finky lately. When you go to the "bathhouse" later, can you tell them I said "hi"!
Fuck off Braffed
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:36:11 AM
You utterly useless speciman
NoDiggity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:37:12 AM
Your argumentation is completely arbitrary. It's not that all three of the sequels have original and familiar aspects, it's that YOU decide which original and familiar aspects have any merit. Thus, your arguments have literally zero objective value and are merely a matter of your own personal taste and tailored debating tactics.

Next.

DocPazuzu, the "gross out" banquet in TOD
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:42:23 AM
How can you even fail to recognize that his is a cartoonish moment that had NO counterpart in Raiders? My point is that TOD was a kid's cartoon, and making a big deal out of the magical removal of people's hearts, as if this erased the cartoonishness, is being wilfully blind to the fact that TOD was a kid's cartoon in spirit, while RAIDERS was an adventure movie in spirit.
The Gross out banquet
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:44:59 AM
I will give you that this is out of place.
This is what I'm talking about, NoDiggity.
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:45:19 AM
TOD is cartoonish when it suits you, and dark and mean-spirited when it suits you.
INDIANA JONES AND AND THE SEARCH FOR THE STINKY PICKLE...
by Braffed
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:47:09 AM
Spoiler...It's up Jarv's ass
TOD is by no means flawless.
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:48:35 AM
I cringe at the rescue by the British officer and his Indian troops at the end as well as at the banquet -- but these things are in keeping with the tone of pulp stories which have a very un-PC neo- or post-colonial flavor.

The banquet also makes me cringe because of Capshaw's antics. In fact, it's a testament to the power of TOD that Capshaw doesn't scupper the whole film.

Nice tits though.

Fuck off
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:49:03 AM
If RAIDERS had been nothing but Tombs with Traps ..
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:49:42 AM
Would it have been a good movie? Tomb after Tomb after Tomb, with mechanical death trap after mechanical death trap. Over and over. It wouldn't have been, right? What made the first movie good is that you went from Death Trap Temple to chase through forest, to Gun fight in burning Tavern, to sneaking through German camp, to fist fight with spinning propeller blades, to speeding Army Truck fights, to Apocalypse via Ark. The first movie was a series of DIFFERENT events, but in the same vein of adventure. You'd want a sequel to continue ADDING to the adventure, not rehashing the old stuff, get me?
Kapshaw is highly fuckable
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:49:58 AM
albeit annoying.
I like the variety in temple
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:51:57 AM
and I also like the fact that it doesn't break down into set piece scenes like that.

I just don't see how you can criticise Temple on one hand for having variety and then this one for following the formula- you're being completely contradictory.

I guess we only disagree on the faithfulness to pulp ..
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:52:11 AM
.. to explain TOD's difference in tone from RAIDERS. Kate Capshaw also had a magnificent ass.
or even Capshaw
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:52:30 AM
Braffed is annoying me so much that my spelling is collapsing.
that she did. But really diggers,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:53:43 AM
the question on everyone's lips is "what will the well dressed archaelogist about town be wearing this summer?" You're the only one that can tell us.
Hey, I wish someone would post about how much Temple of Doom suc
by sapno_krei
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:54:42 AM
I didn't criticize Temple for having variety ..
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:58:16 AM
.... I criticized it for being fucking stupid and childish. Most of it's set pieces were inferior to RAIDERS set pieces anyway because of the "awww, come on" factor. And where was the variety? The biggest time spent in the film was in the underground caves of Mola Ram. The best part was the spooky moment where Indy steals the stone from the Thuggee altar ... which was good mainly because it recalled the idol stealing moment from RAIDERS, not because it was new. What was "new" was the silly, cartoonish tone. The overfocuse on bugs and gross outs was just an over-the-top attempt to repeat the "Indy Hates Snakes" joke from the first movie and lay it on like mud.
Well dressed Archaeologists like to wear ...
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
07:59:50 AM
... a nice, crisp, fresh new Stetson Hat.
I didn't mean variety from scene to scene
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:12:06 AM
and as in being different from Raiders.

And the stupid and childish nature of it, I feel, fits perfectly into its pulp origins. Really, is it anymore stupid than the other pulp stuff? or even Raiders?

And I didn't think the bug usage was reminiscent of snakes in Raiders, but I know you like these sort of paralells.

You know, they wrote "pulp" for kids as well as adults.
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:15:36 AM
There was stupid pulp, by really bad writers, and excellent pulp, by people like Lovecraft and Howard. How does "pulp" justify crap? There was good pulp and crap pulp. You judge it by whether it's good or crap, not whether it's "pulp".
I don't think it was crap
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:16:59 AM
see- I think this is where we differ. On my judgement it is good pulp fun.
the "awww, come on" factor
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:20:23 AM
This has been bothering me, because it seems to lie at the root of a lot of your arguments. You seem to have a set ability to suspend disbelief, and when it's passed then your tolerance for the film passes as well- however, your tolerance level is set before watching, and is based in genre- but can't move on each individual movie. How is the "aww come on" factor that you talk about not offended by a lot of Raiders? It's certainly fucked right in the arse (not unlike when Braffed's dad pays him a "visit" late at night) in Crusade and you think that is better than Temple.
Lost Jarv ...
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:36:25 AM
Raiders does have some wtf moments, but mostly you have to think about them later, you aren't disbelieving as they are watching them (I actually can't think of a good example right now ... I notice you didn't come up with one either, you immediately switched to The Last Crusade). Last Crusade is a far lesser film because of all the WTF moments. I didn't really like it when I first saw it. However, watched back to back with Temple of Doom, it's got the right SPIRIT, the right MOOD, even if the action pieces are retarded. Even though Indiana is reduced to a being a chump, next to Connery, somehow he seemed more like the original Indiana Jones from Raiders. The globe hopping was fun, the digging up old Crusaders stuff was fun. I am not a giant fan of Crusade. I saw it, sneered at it, forgot it. Only saw it for the second time EVER recently. It's just that Temple of Doom is so atrocious it makes Crusade look good by comparison.
Don't get me wrong,
by Lost Jarv
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:40:42 AM
I don't think temple is flawless. There's lots of it that pisses me off, (the Han Solo gag for example) but all in all I just enjoyed it.
I love raiders, except the final showdown
by David Cloverfield
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:41:50 AM
Indy wins by closing his eyes. Heroic.
Oh, I can think of one wtf moment from Raiders ...
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:43:10 AM
I always wondered why the darts didn't get Indy when he ran back from the altar with the idol in his hands, trying to escape the collapse. I rationalized that the darts were aimed slightly ahead of the triggers heading towards the altar or something, or that they were designed to get someone walking, not running.

Of course, you wonder why the temple is designed to destroy itself every time anyone enters.
Oh yeah and the old "What the hell is the plane doing there" thi
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:46:49 AM
I haven't found an explanation for it. Why is it waiting? Why, if it's there waiting, didn't it just fly Indy in in the first place, instead of letting him travel across land with multiple mules and assistants?
Seriously
by David Cloverfield
Apr 22nd, 2008
08:47:23 AM
Indy fails in stopping a bunch of nazis offing themselves. That's all he accomplishes in Lost Ark. I never thought about that, but that's really lame.
David Cloverfield, Indy was up against the power of GOD
by NoDiggity
Apr 22nd, 2008
09:11:57 AM
or whatever demonic freak was posing as God.
NoDiggity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 22nd, 2008
09:21:00 AM
The plane conundrum is quite simple if you think a bit creatively (or indulge in "fanboyism" as I'm sure you'd prefer to call it if it sinks your theories).

Jock flew Indy to the designated rendezvous point where they met up with Satipo and the crew he had hired for the expedition. You can't fly mules to an area that remote and why should Jones have to hoof it if he can afford hiring a pilot?

You should be more concerned with why a German sub sailed topside in decidedly non-German waters for so long (and to a secret naval base, no less) just so Jones could tag along.

See? All the Jones movies have these lapses in logic. Again, this is why you fail so epically in this neverending debate.

To say a CLASSIC like Temple of Doom sucks?
by GibsonUSA
Apr 22nd, 2008
09:30:08 AM
Then what do you think of Pirates, Transformers, National Treasure, Spiderman 3, X-Men, Tomb Raider, AVP and 99% of movies that comes out every year?
To bash TOD?? Waste of time.
WTF MOMENT IN TOD
by BringingSexyBa