Indy 4 has, at the very least, the advantage of not only being made by nearly the entire creative force which did the first three, but also featuring the same cast. This reason alone is enough for me to believe that Indy 4 will not disappoint. I'm not expecting the Second Coming, but I am expecting to have a smile on my face as I reconnect with an old friend. (Cue the Raiders March).

We've heard all the arguments. They don't hold up.

Verdict: Temple of Doom is a great time.

Ok, not really. It's mostly because Lucas is a douche and the story isn't set in that part of the world (same reason I guess he wasn't in ToD.)

Insert dirty joke here.

Zing!

Do you expect Speed racer to be better than Indy, or just looking forward to it more? (actually it sounds like both)

I suppose I could make a similar argument if the Wachowskis had never made Matrix Revolutions. That one was such a let down. Not necessarily as much as the SW Prequels (in aggregate), but then, my expectations for Matrix Revolutions weren't anywhere near as high was they were for the prequels pre-Phantom Menace.

As a fellow 30yr old, I think you're onto something there. Truly.

For years we heard this was basically the case with Indy IV, but it FINALLY got made, so don't give up hope. Then again, it remains to be seen what kind of film Indy IV will turn out to be. Although I would love to revisit the Goonies and think Zom's got a great premise for building a story around, it's probably better to leave these childhood delights in our memories (or give the film theatrical re-releases!) instead of making sequels.

I think the rumored plot behind a potential Goonies 2 was going to focus on the children of the Goonies going off on an adventure similar to their parents' original one, only the parents would then reteam to go after their kids.

I guess you could argue that just because a daughter doesn't show up in KOTCS and Mutt does (if Mutt really is his son, which I have doubts about), it doesn't preclude Indy from still having a daughter that he doesn't find out about until still later in his life. It just makes it even more unlikely to happen.

Or if it opens in an interior shot somewhere, perhaps it'll be a poignant piece of art or an old map of some sort - semi-related to the plot- that the logo will fade into.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Al dabarran

Just make sure to remove the spaces. He's got some other good scores there, too.

And bringing Short Round back would like bringing Boba Fet back.

Crystal Skull seems to be following a similar development, becoming an update/homage to 1950's anti-Commie/sci-fi flicks.

Know your pop cultural history and become a happier and more content movie geek.

TLC can't really decide what it wants to be and as a result it's an amorphous, meandering, lumbering mass of cinematic potential but very little delivery. TOD does exactly what it sets out to do from beginning to end and is much more satisfactory.

I should add that this is all relative and I still consider TLC to be miles ahead of almost all action/adventure movies made today and I do enjoy watching it - although not as much as Raiders and TOD.

And please, the Anything Goes opening is both funny and awesomely out of left field, and signifies quite nicely that this ride is going to be somewhat different than Raiders. Get over it.

Oh, and I was 17 when TOD came out.

I'm glad you've shown up though, this has been a very argument-free few days.

I recentally saw it again and loved it. Maybe it was nostalgia, or maybe it was the unwise afternoon drinking, but I really enjoyed myself. It is a good adventure film, sure it isn't as good as Raiders, but it is a thoroughly enjoyable pulp story.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Except maybe "NEWT IS JONES!"

Discuss.

Or is it merely that you're overjoyed that there is a detail you can use to make yourself sound smarter than you really are when discussing Indiana Jones?

"Bono estente, pussycat..."

Next.

The banquet also makes me cringe because of Capshaw's antics. In fact, it's a testament to the power of TOD that Capshaw doesn't scupper the whole film.

Nice tits though.

I just don't see how you can criticise Temple on one hand for having variety and then this one for following the formula- you're being completely contradictory.

And the stupid and childish nature of it, I feel, fits perfectly into its pulp origins. Really, is it anymore stupid than the other pulp stuff? or even Raiders?

And I didn't think the bug usage was reminiscent of snakes in Raiders, but I know you like these sort of paralells.

Jock flew Indy to the designated rendezvous point where they met up with Satipo and the crew he had hired for the expedition. You can't fly mules to an area that remote and why should Jones have to hoof it if he can afford hiring a pilot?

You should be more concerned with why a German sub sailed topside in decidedly non-German waters for so long (and to a secret naval base, no less) just so Jones could tag along.

See? All the Jones movies have these lapses in logic. Again, this is why you fail so epically in this neverending debate.

Still my favorite Indy though, mostly due to Shorty and Willie and chilled monkey brains.

Fantastic.

In this case his ability to suspend disbelief is the fixed constant, and he is utterly unable to apply it to different criteria (hence the WTF moments in Temple bothering him, but not in Raiders)

With regard to Alien/Aliens it is that he seems to believe that there is only one possible format/ genre for an Alien film, and when the sequel does not fit he has to mentally bash the square peg into the round hole. This leads to him finding paralells where none exist and coming to a completely risible conclusion. However, his inflexibility mean that he cannot look at a different approach to it, because it offends his belief system, so therefore he is stuck standing on a rapidly eroding platform and looking more and more obsessive by the minute.

Is that all you've got, fuckspoon?

I am sorry to say that I failed. You are now, and always will be a hopeless little cretin who is proving to be a waste of the time that his dad spent wanking on his fat crack whore mother's arse.

Now fuck off.

Mind you the Sword and Sworcery TB was great.

And of course we've got the same old shit from Nodiggity, whom I must say I don't think I agree with any of his movie opinions. I wasn't a speed racer fan, but that movie looks awful to me.

And then we have the attention seeking drippy little whore yet again trying to get a rise out of someone.

"A Turd De Force!"
- Vern, AICNews

"Assrapingly good! Braffed's father gives the most powerful performance of his career. A powerful film that shows the beauty of incest."
- Warren Jeffs, Utah Times

"Made me cum harder than Jeff Gannon."
- Karl Rove

"Disgusting. Makes me want to vomit."
- Mirajeff, AICNews

The Hulk had some interesting threads, the Pro Lee vs. Lee Bashers.

The Dark Knight, well, what more needs to be said. I'm quite confident that will kick so much ass.

And Indy seems to have this prevailing nervousness to it. People want to believe, but dare they be let down again?

There's going to be some carnage.

The 1989 San Fransisco 49'ers

A dodge viper

the third secret of fatima

A jar of olives, empty but for one sad lonely pit

His own head

Gentle Ben

Ringy has a lot of anger just waiting to be unleashed. Some of it spilled over into the Iron Man thread because, well, because he had some extra just laying around.

But really, the TB's have been the same subjects- Hulk, Indy, Iron Man, Terminator and there's just nothing new to say about them (I didn't give a fuck about Iron Man to begin with). To make matters worse, at the beginning of the year they went Cloverfield crazy, and people are just burnt out.

HULK I could really care less about. Not really my bag.

THE DARK KNIGHT - this is my most anticipated film. I have high hopes here; I think it could be special.

INDY 4 = nervousness abounds!

"... what kind of miserable human beings are you that you can't enjoy a superhero film unless the superhero is CONSTANTLY being badass, super-competent, and a joyless fucktard? Probably because that's what you are yourselves. I spit on you."

Wow, on so many levels.

Iron Man

Dark Knight

Hulk

Indy

Not unlike a certain beloved tome? eh ringy?

And sorry BSB, but TDK looks like something in another league. And Indy would be ranked my #2, if only in the hopes of it regaining some of that magic that only Indy can bring to the table.

I'm not alone in this opinion, and as much as the character is hyped in Geek circles he really does not have that much cache outside of them.

Especially not on our side of the pond.

Also, I said this the other day, but I did a straw poll in the office about who had heard of the movie and got "Who", "They're making a film of Iron Man, why?", "couldn't care less", "I like Robert Downey Jr, but It's Iron Man so I probably won't bother" for the majority of answers. But I work with a group of cretinous ignorami that are actually excited about big brother starting again. So I'm not reading too much into that

It's revisionism, BB was not perfect but it certainly wasn't a shitfest.

However, I do agree with you that one of my favourite things about the Burton version is that Batman is just there.

Doc P's words, right here, sum up my feelings on ToD. It has it's enjoyable parts and it's groaner moments, but the sheer fact that Willie's antics don't completely fuck up the film proves it IS doing a number of things right.

Die in pain, braffed

Location: Greengrass TB

You're completely bonkers, NoDiggity. Truly mad.

Opening scene in Shanghai - post- "Anything Goes" (which I enjoy), the scene and dialogue between Indy and Lao and sons works, DESPITE Willie's incessant comments.

The exposition scene where the village elder tells Indy about the loss of their sacred stone and the disappearance of their children sets up the tone well for the rest of the film DESPITE Willie's stupid comments;

Indy and Shorty's observation of the Thuggee ritual from the "observation deck (huh?) is creepy and shows you exactly what kind of sinister stuff is going on underneath the palace DESPITE Wiilie's screaming and stupid comments.

Even the Deathtrp scene before that where Willie has to save Indy and ShortRound works okay for me, despite he screaming b/c here her "girly" personality actually is at odds with the heroism required by her in this scene. Yet, she briefly overcomes it to save Indy and ShortRound.

The fight scene between Indy and the giant Thuggee guard prior to the mine car chase works just fine despite Willie's screaming and shadowboxing behind them.

In fact, you can almost ignore Willie from the point at which Indy is brought out of the "dark sleep" by SHorty because she doesn't affect a single thing in the remainder of the story from there on. That in itself is NOT a testament to a strongly written character in ToD. BUT, it DOES provide evidence that the movie itself still works, even at the end, despite the inclusion of a character who was obviously there only as a "love interest" for Indy (and SS).

The only novelized Indy film I've read is ToD because I have the old paperback version of it. I re-read it last year and really wasn't impressed with it either. I can't compare it to the other Indy novelizations, but compared to the novelizations I've read for the Star Wars movies (an old, original New Hope paperback copy and all three of the prequels), it really was subpar. it didn't even really expand upon much from the movie, not in any interesting way. But I've been thinking of picking up that new omnibus of the Indy novelizations because i want to read the other two films.

and even if it's not, we can still defend Indy together

The Last Crusade was better as a whole but the ending was weaksauce compared to ToD. Anyone who says the best Indy is anything other than Raiders had best be fucking joking. End of story.

As for those who only like Temple of Doom and decry Raiders and Last Crusade - what the fuck is wrong with you? I remember some great moments in Temple, but it is obviously an attempt to take the film and its main character in a different direction than the film to which it owed its existence - Raiders of the Lost Ark.

Braffed-Go fuck yourself you loser piece of shit

Now to go and check out that retard. The one that isn't braffed.

Now I've heard it all. First people bashing T2, now this.

Jesus, have you nothing better to do than cyber-stalk us?

And I totally agree with the bad CGI, but that doesn't take away from the overall enjoyment of the Indy films.