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Moving on to the now...

This new film, while I naturally hope it does very well, has some baggage; that is, many are prepared to dislike it from the start due to poor marketing and excuses. If the movie truly delivers, much of the baggage will be forgotten and forgiven.

But let's face it, of all the "blockbuster high-anticipation flicks" of summer, 2008, Hulk is the underdog. I will be there opening day with my ticket though.

But Spidey, X-Men, Hulk, Iron Man, even Daredevil (!) were made with high enough standards that they'd be compatible in aesthetics and tone.

While all-out team-up movies are probably just fantasies, side roles or bit parts would be neat. Imagine Spidey swinging in to the middle of a Hulk battle in NYC, unannounced!

so i guess sooner or later we'll have 'spidey vs daredevil 2' directed by hack director number 11.

you define the hero's greatness with his rogue gallery. that's why batman is the best around. joker and two-face vs the dark knight? nothing, and i mean n-o-t-h-i-n-g can beat that!

No Daredevil? Again, not a problem- Give us Moon Knight. No Blade? Like it matters! When was Blade ever associated with the Avengers, anyway?

Look-- Marvel seems to have the rights to most of the Avengers. Hulk, Iron Man, Vision, Black Widow, Scarlet Witch, Hercules, Thor, Hawkeye, Wasp, Hank Pym, Captain America. . . So we won't see The Beast in the Avengers? WHO CARES? So we won't see the FF interact with them? It's not like the FF and Avengers teamed up much, anyway.

There are tons of Marvel characters left to cross over with the Avengers. Yeah, this will be an Avengers group in a world without Spider-Man, the X-Men, Daredevil, Blade, or the Fantastic Four, but their roles can be filled by other similar characters.

Best part thus far is the Stark/Downey cameo.Talk about fan service.And Holdyourfire,as for your dismay of Fury being Black, it's not that big a deal.Although he's based on the Ultimates version (and of course Sam J.who himself was always a fan of the Avengers.)it would make sense to further market this Movie via Sam's casting.

It's not a Black and White issue, just creative differences tis all.And where the fuck is the other "Sam"(Elliot)in this remake/sequel/rehash?We was great as Thunderbolt Ross.

As for Lee's Hulk sure it was a bit esoteric but for the most part, it followed the source material. I was'nt crazy about the Asorbing Dad,the Comic panel scenes or Hulk being a mute but it was entertaining nonetheless and far outweighs the lame duck TV series in which Lou Ferigno's Hulk can be killed by bullets,can't leap over tall buildings in a single bound and cries like a bitch whenever some Woman dies.Not to mention most of his antagonists were mere mortals.Even Norton's vision will surpass the Tv series.Gawd!

Ah, shit, I just looked up Transporter 3 on IMDB and it turns out Leterrier is not directing. That's a damn shame. Mind you, the guy taking over is named Olivier Megaton, and I am prepared to give anyone named MEGATON a chance.

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Oh, and to whoever's reading this: you, of course, are part of that 5%. Aren't all those other, dumb people annoying?

Sure, no technology we have now will completely convince us that a person on screen is 8' tall and throwing tanks around. Our real-world brains will always rebel to some extent. But at least we'd believe that it's an actual *person*, and not just a pile of pixels. One thing LOTR did nail was the relative-size trickery. If they can make Gandalf tower over Frodo, they can make a human Hulk tower over regular people.

I think it comes down to a question of artistry for me. I don't really care about the ingenuity of some room full of computer nerds hunched over workstations, clicking mouses and tablets. Give me the ingenuity of genius cameramen (& women), cinematographers, makeup artists, lighting professionals, model-makers, and practical-effects wizards. Give me a room full of brilliant specialists in the art of light and vision, and let them problem-solve. *Those* people are artists.

At this point, nothing you can do with a computer-simulated human is really going to impress me.

The Ultimate Nick Fury has just as much right to be spread around the multiverse as the white one. Personally, I think the Sam Jackson version has more personality and is just more interesting and involved than the 616 version.

Hulk and Iron Man are obviously in the same world this time. The last Hulk movie was a "What If..?" world-- Also not the 616, but not the same as the current movie, and not the same as the TV show. Different Marvel universes exist-- This is a standard in the comics. It's not a stretch to believe that the movie universe used for this Hulk and this Iron Man is a universe in which the Hulk is 1' 4" taller, where Iron Man came along later and was in Iraq instead of Nam, and where this Nick Fury is the cooler, more interesting Black one based on Samuel L. Jackson.

NOT the comics. Stop expecting things to be exactly like the comics, because they won't be. There's too much history to jam into the movie, and not enough time.

As for Hulk being CG, I have to say, I'm getting fucking sick of CG, but I cannot fathom how you'd make a character like the Hulk out of some dude painted green. The Hulk is not just an 7' 8" muscular green guy. He's motherfucking HUGE! He weighs 1,400 pounds! Show me a fucking pro wrestler who looks massive enough to weigh 1,400 pounds, even when forced perspective is used to alter his appearance on screen. It can't be done. Even Lord of the Rings had to use CG to animate the trolls, and THEY are closer to Hulk size than Gandalf in comparison to Frodo.

Oh, and I contend that anyone who liked Ang Lee's version hasn't read a Hulk comic in a very, very long time. NOTHING was "spot on" in the Ang Lee abortion. The sooner it's forgotten, the better. I swear, I think some people defend it because accepting that it sucks would put a flaw in their beloved Ang Lee's career.

Frankly, I think Ang Lee sucks. Nothing he has made has impressed me. Most of it is self-indulgent, slow-moving, preachy crap that substitutes camera techniques for decent storytelling. And yes, I think Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon was utter selfwank shit.

And if you think this new CG Hulk looks the same or as worse as Lee's, you're obviously not paying attention.

And if you think this new CG Hulk looks the same or as worse as Lee's, you're obviously not paying attention.

And if you think this new CG Hulk looks the same or as worse as Lee's, you're obviously not paying attention.

I really hope this Hulk is good and I really liked Lee's Hulk...I don't really care for the ears thing altho at the end of the day...why not? Realism? With a giant green dude bashing shit? Say what? But all that aside...I think we're going to get a kick ass Iron Man flick, a hopefully genius Dark Knight and a kick ass Hulk movie would be great too! But...after seeing those turdfest Transporter movies...I don't have much hope. Oh and hate on Lee all you want...if you actually think that the Transporter director is a more competent director than Lee then you are frozen anal vomit. Sorry, no opinions here..I think maybe Lee wasn't a good match for a more puerile action movie even tho I liked it but to compare directors from their own scopes of work and then say a "chest bumping fat kid in an adult's body"-Letteriere (fucking get an easy name to spell dammit!) is somehow more talented than Lee is just ridiculous....with an I. As in Incorrect. Argh!

I'm not writing it off totally, but will wait to see what others say after seeing it before I give it any more of my time.