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Planet of the Ood!! The Britons Appraise DOCTOR WHO 30.3!!

Fantastic episode! by cymraeg_cowboy	Apr 19th, 2008 06:29:41 PM
first ftrst please please
I know its sad..... by cymraeg_cowboy	Apr 19th, 2008 06:30:43 PM
....to have a faint glow of satisfation.......but I do!
Congrats cymraeg_cowboy by mrfan	Apr 19th, 2008 06:34:12 PM
Congrats
I don't agree.... by cymraeg_cowboy	Apr 19th, 2008 06:41:21 PM
with the above reviews..... I thought it was easily the best so far this series and word work really well watched straight after The Impossible planet/The Satan Pit. Loved that the Oods first appearence was all fire and this ice. Catherine Tate (who I was dreading) has pretty much won me over at this point, though I think the writing for her has been very good....one or two obvious allusions to future events...your song is going to end....missing bee's etc.....but does anyone think that the Dr and Donna being revered by people as godlike *(the carving last week and the reference to stories being sung to future generations of ood) is something we may see more of and build towards something?
I think they give Graeme Harper the weaker scripts by photoboy	Apr 19th, 2008 06:46:20 PM
...because he can make even a weak story work on screen. This week's episode was fairly solid, not the best ever (especially after last week's volcanic events) but certainly very enjoyable, and no mentions of fucking Billie Piper either which was great. I'm dreading when she chavs her way back into this season.
Should remake Dr. Shrinker by mrfan	Apr 19th, 2008 07:00:25 PM
Now, that was a crazy doctor.
I was going to give it three episodes by sean bean	Apr 19th, 2008 07:01:31 PM
to see if I could stand to watch a series with Catherine Tate as a companion, and after this one I will definitely go the distance. She's not nearly as bad as I feared and was a pretty sympathetic character in episode three. So consider me an ex-Tater. Donna makes a nice contrast to Rose and Martha (and even Captain Jack, for that matter) in that she challenges the Doctor rather than fawn over him. But the Doctor's song ends soon! And she is returning! And there is something on Donna's back! I love the foreshadowing in every series of the - the payoff has been great in every season so far.
I'm pretty stoked.... by R L S	Apr 19th, 2008 07:27:51 PM
...for the return of the Sontarans later this year!
And the Sarah Jane Adventures... by R L S	Apr 19th, 2008 07:29:12 PM
...aren't nearly as bad as I had imagined them to be. What a pleasant surprise.
The Oooooooooooood. Return, and they're not very happy. by davidaball	Apr 19th, 2008 07:48:26 PM
Following Russell T Davies' Standard formula last week was the past now we have our episode in the future. And next week we're back on Earth as per his annual plan. It's got some great moments in it but its still a bit pants. Especially the bit where you discover they have to carry their brain around with them. Surely they would at least have a pocket or a little satchel. What was the claw chase about? he runs he falls over they've got him and then they let him go. this epsiode does well and then just throws it all away. Foreshadowing the future “All the bee's disappearing...” More to come on this I'm sure. And the Ood's Final message to the doctor leads us to a rather sad conculsion to the series.
macguffin by dang2010	Apr 19th, 2008 08:02:26 PM
You know, another seeming theme there are developing is Donna's willingness to rewrite history. Or trying to get the Doctor to do it. I wonder if there's a chance that one of them dies, and the other comes back to save them. Maybe next season will be about what happens when you change history. That's just my hoping that David Tennant will come back somehow. I mean, he's a great actor but what does he have lined up instead? How had is it to commit to 13 episodes a year?
I liked it, a first for this series by Lenny8	Apr 19th, 2008 08:05:23 PM
Not much a Tate fan, but this episode was the best so far of the new series. The grappling claw chase was VERY good, although not really covered by the reviewers here. The plot shifts were not as obvious as in previous episodes, and the pacing was almost tolerable, vs. most episodes which are like gasping for air during a hurricane. Good stuff and this may wind up being one of the high points of the series.
Disappearing bees by Lenny8	Apr 19th, 2008 08:06:09 PM
BTW, apparently this season's arc
Another good episode. by earlfist	Apr 19th, 2008 08:17:24 PM
I suppose I will be in the minority here, but Donna in furs, hair all windswept, was fairly sexy!. I cannot believe that one of the reviewers thinks that they saved on the fx budget with this . Don't forgat this is a b.b.c.. production. good solid episode.
This was the weakest episode so far by a long way..... by Gabba-UK	Apr 19th, 2008 08:22:32 PM
The FX budget must have been blown on last weeks episode, the same 5 sets were used over and over again, the Ood are the weakest new race from new Who (except for Absorbalov but a five year old created that one for a Blue Peter competition I believe, so I'll let that slide) I can't take a bad guy seriously if they have a face like a serving of calamari. The performance of the chief villain by Tim Mckinnery, who I rate very highly as actor normally was just bad and as about as scary as a hair roller. Then we have Donna.... I'm sorry but I just have no empathy with Donna. I simply can't look at her without thinking 'that's Catherine Tate'. Her presence jars my suspension of disbelief just enough to keep me from really getting into it. Its a great shame because the character itself is a strong one and I think a necessary change from what we've have had so far in the re-vamped Who. The Doctor needs someone to question him, pull him back from his greater excess's. But Tate... simply put, isn't the one to play that character. I've never liked her in the first place, her comedy show isn't funny, that whole deep breathy Essex sounding 'Oh my god' style of delivery she has to 'express' surprise/wonder/disgust/disapp ointment (delete as applicable) is not a substitute for talent and someone should really tell her that. I think what it is about her is that I'm very worried about and dreading in fact, is the inevitable slipping in of the 'I'm I bo'vveerrred' gag. Its just there, in the background lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce and inflict maximum damage to my viewing pleasure. I'm happy for those out there who seem to be warming to her but for me at least, she is limiting the enjoyment I normally get from the show. The only consolation is that next week promise's to be a good one with UNIT making a welcome return along with the 'Torchwood' version of Martha which is an improvement on the sometimes Love-sick puppy 'Who' version of Martha. Thankfully her arse is just as good on both versions. But even then, It better be a stronger episode than this weeks because if it isn't I really don't think I'll care enough to stick around to find out where all the bee's are going to....
ok. not great by jccalhoun	Apr 19th, 2008 08:38:17 PM
I liked to see the Ood again. But there were too many characters that didn't seem to need to exist and some highly suspect logic going on. They evolved a brain outside of their body? What sense does that make? And because they have two brains they must have a 3rd? WTF? I also really hate when they have people traveling between galaxies. Do people have any idea just how far away the nearest galaxy is? Donna wasn't bad. I like her picking up the ball and trying to talk into it. Can the Doctor officially pick where and when he goes now? The beginning of this episode kind of implied he could and I don't remember any other episode of the particular season imply that he had very good control over the TARDIS's destination.
traveling between galaxies... by davidaball	Apr 19th, 2008 08:55:28 PM
Totally agree with distinct lack of logic. Nice leaving the Ood on their own planet but what exacly are they going to eat in this frozen wasteland? When Donna first meets an Ood The Doctor chastises her "it's not an it it's a he" I thought they were a sexles race where are all the lady Oods? As for having a problem with galaxy traveling: What about all this time traveling?
Did they have to upstairs in that warehouse-??????? by TomBodet	Apr 19th, 2008 09:35:39 PM
Oh and what did they find-? why-wait for it-wait for it---- Gobs and Gobs of Daleks!! stuck between floors and reading Plunger Mags--------
Wizards of the Coast should sue the BBC... by Mr Willi	Apr 19th, 2008 09:39:55 PM
Let's see: Octopus-faced humanoids that communicate telepathically and have a giant brain as their leader... This was pretty blatant plagiarism on the writer's part, stealing the "Illithids" the Dungeons and Dragons roleplaying game. The Ood, in their orginal "Satan's Pit" storyline, were original creations, but Temple ruined that and should never be allowed to write for the show again if he can't come up with ideas of his own.
Could have been a great episode by Kovac	Apr 19th, 2008 10:15:18 PM
If it wasnt for Catherine Tate.
Yep, I smell a regeneration at the season's end... by SpyGuy	Apr 19th, 2008 10:17:48 PM
The final episode of Series Four is titled "Journey's End," all of the Tenth Doctor's companions are back, the Daleks are back (presumably with Davros this time), and Russell T. Davies simply cannot be trusted about statements like Tennant returning for "specials" in 2009 when it could easily be a smokescreen for Series Five with the new Eleventh Doctor.
Raiders Reference by vadakinX	Apr 19th, 2008 11:27:57 PM
Surely I can't be the only one who noticed the homage to the last shot of Raiders of the Lost Ark when The Doctor and Donna first went into the warehouse with all the containers, can I?
Always exciting to get a new regeneration... by Seph_J	Apr 19th, 2008 11:30:17 PM
...but its equally difficult to let a doctor go. I remember basically hating the Paul McGann film because Sylvester McCoy was shot to death! Unforgiveable. What a way to go. I have to say, the constant Bill Nighy support is intriguing... I can see it working very well. I'd follow Bill Nighy around the universe. But then that would be going against the whole 'younger' approach. I do think an older doctor would be good again though... Bill Nighy IS a timelord in real life anyway, so that would work. Who else? A few years ago I would have said Jasper Carrot.. but not anymore. I'd have Derek Jacobi back too... he took it seriously. How about, Tennant regenerates into Sylvester McCoy, standing up, walking out the Tardis...and immediately get shot... and regenerates into Paul McGann... it could be a series-long flashback to the time war?
great episode... by lynxpro	Apr 20th, 2008 12:05:07 AM
This was old-school Who but with a decent budget. If they keep this on a roll, this will be the best season/series since the show returned. I'm all for Tennant staying, but if The Doctor needs to regenerate at the end of the series for Tennant to do other work, then friggin degenerate him and bring back Paul McGann. I think this just means that his journey as the Last of the Time Lords is about to end, and that Gallifrey and its proper time-line will be restored.
Tate doesn't bother me as much as I thought... by Boba Fat	Apr 20th, 2008 02:59:47 AM
but I'm not exactly warming to her. The problem is that I'm always aware I'm watching Kathrine Tate "acting". Hopefully, after next week she gets sidelined a bit.
LIBERAL PROPAGANDA! by Antifanboy	Apr 20th, 2008 03:14:14 AM
This episode was a terrible slur against corporations, who are only trying to better the world. Corporations create jobs and pour money into lesser economic developed countries. This show just repeats tired old lies to pander to teenagers wearing Che Guevara t-shirts. But what can you expect from a show that so prominently features homosexuals. I mean, yesterday's episode even had an Indian in it. There was no reason for the character to be Indian. It's political correctness gone mad. This would never have happened in Buffy. In Buffy if characters turned gay they either died or went mad. It wouldn't surprise me if Doctor Who's next companion is a paedophile, it is such godless liberal propaganda. Isn't President Bush supposed to be protecting kids from this unchristian filth? He should also bring back Buffy. Joss Whedon invented television. Bring back Buffy! Buffy buffy bfuufyf byyyy
Gabba UK by Antifanboy	Apr 20th, 2008 03:20:01 AM
You're very noticeable in these Doctor Who talkbacks because you post ridiculous rants that are four or five times longer than anyone else's. And will there ever be an episode that you won't describe as "The worst episode ever"? Seriously, you're turning into that guy from the Simpsons. Methinks you should just stop watching Doctor Who and go back to watching whatever else you were watching before it was on. This was a dark, brutal episode in which Catherine Tate really did well, putting in a quiet, sad and angry performance. There's a righteous crusading angle to her we didn't see in Rose or Martha, the latter of which never moved beyond the wide-eyed curiosity stage. Good stuff.
What, no visit ... by PadewanKlaatu	Apr 20th, 2008 03:21:54 AM
to Raxacoricofallapatorius? Always wanted to see the home world of the Raxacoricofallapatorians, just to see what ever became of the Slitheen family and their race (or maybe it was just my always wanting to use the words Raxacoricofallapatorian and Raxacoricofallapatorius in a talkback post). BTW; DAMN you, Ron Moore, for killing Callie!!!!!!!!
ok epsiode. by Mr_X	Apr 20th, 2008 03:59:10 AM
not outstanding, but was alright. as for tenant, it take longer then a week to do 1 episode. if he wants to leave, good luck to him. i hope he doesn't and sticks around for a while yet
To the guy who mentioned Bees. by DamnMichaelBay	Apr 20th, 2008 04:14:40 AM
To the guy who mentioned that the line 'All the Bees are disappearing' is obviously foreshadowing... YOU ARE A RETARDED NERD WHO OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT WATCH THE NEWS. . . The Bees are disappearing. For real. And noone knows why. . Doctor Who makes a cultural reference, and 'davidaball' thinks it's a plot point. Tard.
Whilst at the gym, watching DW with the sound by UltraMeerkat	Apr 20th, 2008 04:52:59 AM
turned down I mistook the unprocessed Ood's secondary brain as an external testicle. They certainly looked like one.
The ooooooooooooooooood by carefulsilly	Apr 20th, 2008 05:03:40 AM
I really think season four is heading toward the BEST SEASON yet of the new Doctor Who. Three wonderful episodes in a row. I just wish they'd stick to the 7pm time slot and have it in it's usual place. It's far too early in the evening, and I can't help wondering if that icky shot of Tim turning into an Ood wasn't a tad too much for the timeslot. Still, I love a good scare for the kids. I thought the CGI and effects throughout were wondrous and yet again it put me in mind of the best Tom Baker / Sarah Jane Smith adventures. I for one think that Donna is thoroughly believable and simply lovely. Steven x
As a confirmed 'Tater', I hate to say this... by BiggusDickus	Apr 20th, 2008 05:05:16 AM
...but this one wasn't bad at all for Her Shouty Redness. I reckon she turned in a surprisingly restrained performance. In fact, it was Tennant's gurning that was the most distracting thing this week... Still, Sontarans next week - wa-hey! Please, RTD, no more recycling of Daleks vs. Cybermen. Let's have a Sontaran/Judoon battle. On Earth. In London.
And then Bill Nighy for Season Five... by BiggusDickus	Apr 20th, 2008 05:06:37 AM
...with Carey Mulligan's 'Sally Sparrow' assisting. And no more Rose. Ever.
PadewanKlaatu... by BiggusDickus	Apr 20th, 2008 05:10:15 AM
...Thanks for dropping that BSG spoiler to someone who can't get the SciFi channel and is waiting for the DVD box-set in November. Nice one. Wanker.
Uh...DamnMichaelBay by RobinP	Apr 20th, 2008 05:38:39 AM
I think you might need to back up a step, or at least switch to decaff. Current news aside, there's been a well publicised trailer reel showing Donna threatened by a giant bee. So it's very feasable that the line was a hint of things to come within the series continuity. On to the Ood. Good episode. Far better than I thought it'd be because this was the one I was looking forward to least for some reason. Nothing much to dislike, so no complaints. Catherine Tate is growing on me more each weel, as is the dynamic she brings to the show. Looking forward to the Sontarian return next week in what I think is a two parter. Is it me, or is Martha coming back earlier than we'd be led to believe ?
The Bees by supertoyslast	Apr 20th, 2008 05:48:59 AM
Um, the line about the bees disappearing has been mentioned before in the first episode. Since it is now being repeated, this isn't just a cultural reference. It clearly is foreshadowing and will no doubt tie in to something later in the series. Probably something to do with Rose's alternate universe bleeding into ours. So it is foreshadowing which takes inspiration from a real-life event. It is possible for it to be both, you know.
Martha by supertoyslast	Apr 20th, 2008 05:53:39 AM
Yes, I had got the impression that Martha would return for 4-5 consecutive episodes near the end of the current series. This may just be me misinterpreting announcements. I guess she'll be in this two-parter then return for the multi-companion story. What I don't quite understand about that is that it's going to be a Doctor-lite episode since there's not enough time for Tennant to film 13 full episodes. So how come there's enough time for Tate to film 13 full episodes? Or will there be a Donna-lite episode too? (Oh please, oh please, oh please....)
Last nights ep was kind of bland, though by emeraldboy	Apr 20th, 2008 05:54:49 AM
i noticed when one of the ood said Your song will come to an end dr. That was a hint at the Dr's demise. I didnt see last weeks ep. From a review I have just read, tate was in lauren mode. I am glad I missed. The observer on sunday reviewed next weeks ep and they said it excellent. Ricky Gervais's new show has a working title of The man from the Pru. It is set in the 1970's and it is based in an Insurance company in Reading and focuses on a group on twentysomethings. The reviewer also castigated Freema ageyman.
Martha's line is "Im back and I am bringin you back to earth" by emeraldboy	Apr 20th, 2008 06:05:00 AM
Martha is involved in the Dr's demise. Donna says you turned her into a soldier. Martha is working as loyal ATMOS foot soldier.
Martha's line is "Im back and I am bringin you back to earth" by emeraldboy	Apr 20th, 2008 06:05:24 AM
Martha is involved in the Dr's demise. Donna says you turned her into a soldier. Martha is working as loyal ATMOS foot soldier. I am wondering at some point did Rose meet Martha.
The song was about loneliness by executiverocker	Apr 20th, 2008 06:34:30 AM
So if doctors song about loneliness is going to end it will mean a return of rose, or the timelords, or something that will end his loneliness
Loneliness, song, end of song, end of season... by RobinP	Apr 20th, 2008 06:51:57 AM
Here's the RobinP theory. Rose still has that TARDIS energy coursing through her cute li'l body - right ? Could it be that as she once revived a Dalek with this energy, Davro is also linked in to this ? Maybe he has Rose working for him somehow or other.(See, I think there are still millions of Daleks strwen throughout eternity at different times. The fact that they perished in the Time War doesn't mean that they've been wiped out of ever existing. But if I think too deeply about that, I get a headache). I never fully understood how come they never went back and revived those in the Dalek city on Skaro who were defeated by having their power cut off in the very first Dalek story) So it COULD be that Rose could come back in the season closer, be involved with Davros somehow...then in a final heart wrenching scene, use her TARDIS whammy to give the Doctor, who sacrifices himself and dies... the final jolt of energy needed to regenerate OR evolve to a higher form of Time Lord capable of many more regenerations. Their "Decker/V'Ger" type melding would mean that Rose would be a part of him forever AND free up Tennant to pursue other opportunities if that's what he wants. THAT, my friends, is the RobinP theory.
should've clarified... by Gabba-UK	Apr 20th, 2008 07:01:21 AM
I thought this was the weakest episode of this series. There have been worse ones. And oddly my dis-satifaction with episode had little to do with me being a Tater. Oh, I still don't like her but this just a poor episode all round and I can't in all fairness blame her when even Tennent wasn't firing on all cylinders. Liked the liberal propaganda stuff antifanboy. Made me laugh out loud. Sorry if you think I rant but I've really dug the re-vamped Who but Tate just isn't my cup of tea. So far its not stopped me watching but I can see me just leaving the PVR to record the whole series and me watching them sometime in the future. Tate has for me, stopped Who becoming essential, watching when I get back from work at midnight viewing to watching when nothing else is on viewing. Which is a shame cos I was really looking forward to series 4.
good series so far by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 20th, 2008 07:22:25 AM
3 for 3, Tate's character is much improved, the Sontarans next week, Moffat's Silence in the Library 2 parter on the horizon and one of the all time great Who characters reappearing towards the end of the series. What could possibly go wrong?
Ood was good enough by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Apr 20th, 2008 07:37:25 AM
I've just caught up on watching last night's ep. It was my least favourite one so far this season. There were some neat ideas regarding the Oods backstory but overall the story was patchy. The crane chase looked great though it was blatantly there to 'action up' the episode. Still, if this turns out to be my least favourite ep of the whole season then I'll be happy. Because like I say, Ood was good enough. Next week is clearly bound to be better. Sontarans, UNIT and Martha My Dear. I'll have to get back to submitting a review again for that.
In an ideal world... by weatherballoon	Apr 20th, 2008 07:44:46 AM
... the Doctor will regenerate into Richard Coyle, and Russell Davies will regenerate into Stephen Moffatt. Sigh. Just in it waiting for that two-parter now.
Donna by mulberry	Apr 20th, 2008 07:54:20 AM
Have horrible feeling that the changes made to Donna between Christmas special and now (smarter, wiser, more rounded, much deeper) are not just down to sorting out a poor character - I keep thinking she will not turn out to be what she seems. And that is really spoiling things for me at the minute.
Hey, Mulberry... by RobinP	Apr 20th, 2008 08:17:25 AM
I hadn't thought of that. You could be on to something. Didn't someone mention about Donna having something on her back last week as part of a prophetic vision ? Damn....you've got ME thinking again now.
Donna Redux by weatherballoon	Apr 20th, 2008 08:36:36 AM
I don't think she's going to be an evil replacement. But she might have tracked down the Doctor in order to steal the TARDIS and change some specific thing in history... Did they mention her Dad dying in the first episode? Not sure what that would have to do with bees and planets disappearing. But I think Rose's universe will have a strange problem with increasing bee numbers...
Didn't the Daleks attach themselves to peoples backs once? by Smashing	Apr 20th, 2008 08:43:29 AM
Back in the old show?, with the return of the daleks penned in for this series's end I would expect Donna's back issue to tie in with that? Last nights episode was another solid, if slightly uninspired story, so far series 4 has been a solid start but also quite formulaic, not much to further the Doctors character but a big well done over Donna's transformation from one off joke character into the best companion of the new show so far, besides Mickey. When she said she wanted to go home I was heartbroken for her and I really hope Tate does more that the one series. I do not think Tennant will regenerate this series though his alternative universe counterpart might?, maybe into Gethin Jones from Blue Peter? I am very excited to see how this series pans out but at only episode 3 I find myself wishing it was the series finale so I can see how it fits together, I hope this overshadowing, caused by the knowledge we have over you know who's return does not become the years arc too early on. Also yay for Martha back next week.
Donna's the Rani by Babba-Booey	Apr 20th, 2008 08:46:32 AM
There. I said it. She's gonna try and open up a can of fuckemup on the doctor, forcing him to regenerate. Also Sprach Zarathustra will play and the new doctor looks just like Ric Flair! The doctor says, "Whoooo!" and delivers a chop to the Rani's chest, struts back into the Tardis and heads to Charlotte North Carolina to open up a chain of Fish & Chips stores.
Fuck y'all Michelle Gomez as the new Doctor! by EvilWizardGlick	Apr 20th, 2008 09:24:48 AM
Thats right bitches, make history with the first FEMALE doctor ( well except for that special). Or MOSS ( Richard Ayoude sp?) as the first minority doctor. At the very least Sue White deserves to be a companion.
Ric Flair is the Doctor by jccalhoun	Apr 20th, 2008 09:36:44 AM
Wow. That would be amazingly weird. I need to see that!
EvilWizardGlick: The doctor ain't a hermaphodite! by mistergreen	Apr 20th, 2008 09:40:18 AM
This regeneration business doesn't change sex, for goodness sakes.
Raiders Reference... by Kelvington	Apr 20th, 2008 09:43:10 AM
I saw the Raiders Reference right away, but since they mentioned it in the confidential. I didn't bother to mention it in my review. As for Donna being the Rani, I bloody love that! I'm pretty sure the Doctor doesn't regenerate this year, Tennant has said he's signed on through 2010, which could be a rouse but I would be shocked if he left this season. I think the reason they leave is two fold, one, it can typecast you pretty well, and two, for the amount of money you make, you work an entire year just to shoot and promote the series. It's very long and hard to shoot, which I boil down to poor planning and union rules. It takes eight months to shoot thirteen episodes, instead of thirteen to twenty weeks. I know there's scope and it's huge, but still, if you could have an actor for half a year to keep them, then do it. I would happily put up with a seven episode run if the Doctor's would stay around longer. Hell, bring CE back for seven episodes a year, then have McGann do seven, and then the next year let Tennent do seven and McCoy do seven. The bee thing is just a hook into the Agatha Cristie episode with the giant bee. And trust me I'll be bitching about that like nobody's business. Bees, spiders and all exoskeleton creatures can't get to be huge, because the exoskeleton can't support a bug over two pounds. And thank god for that! Finally, who remembers the Sontarons being wee folk? They looked well over four feet tall in the preview. Have they been to hobbiton lately? Just curious.
A bee is not a wasp! by Mockingbird Girl	Apr 20th, 2008 10:04:59 AM
The upcoming Agatha Christie episode is entitled "The Unicorn and the Wasp" -- and, yes, apparently features a giant wasp. But it is bees, not wasps, that are disappearing. AND BEES ARE NOT WASPS! Basic science, people.
I know whats on Donnas back.... by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 10:09:13 AM
... i'ts another fucking big growth.. like the one on her face. Maybe Davros will cut it off, nuture it and use it to create a new race of evil organic fuckers. But yes indeed, Donna COULD be the fucking Rani. Someone picked up the Masters ring at the close of Series 3... could it not have been the Rani? Is this some plan for her to bring the Master back? If indeed Davros IS making an appearance, it had bloody better well be the fucking most awesome 'who' in the history of the program. If they fuck Davros up by re-vamping/re-imagining/re-shi t-kicking him, I'll cry. He was just about acceptable in 'Remembrance', albeit a little too weird. His skin was too flabby. The severed revolving head approach in 'revelation' was ok, but distracting, and non-threatening. I don't think theres any doubt that we want Davros back as a fucked-up, brilliant, crazy scientist from 'Genesis' - providing its a good story. And he's not 're-booted'. To be honest, I'll come clean. I just want another 'Genesis' quality, 'Genesis' style Davros story. Set on Skaro maybe - featuring Thals and Kaleds possibly... at least doing justice to the fantastic character. And lets have a vote, how many people would actually continue to watch if McCoy did become part of the show again? I certainly would....
You're Right it is a Wasp... my bad by Kelvington	Apr 20th, 2008 10:14:39 AM
You're Right it is a wasp and not a bee, my bad. Sorry! Still can't be that big... basic science.
Series arc by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 10:21:25 AM
Davros (on Skaro): "Power such as that would set me up above the Gods!!" Quintas: (in Pompei): "Thankyou, household Gods, thankyou for everything." Connection? Is the series finale going to be a battle of God-like beings? The universally revered Doctor, and the God-wannabe Davros?
Meanwhile, in the United States... by tonagan	Apr 20th, 2008 10:30:19 AM
We just got to see the Christmas special and the season finale of Torchwood. I just feel guilty torrenting something that'll eventually be on (unlike Ashes to Ashes, which I'm happy to get, thanks to BBCA's wimpiness.)
One thing we know for sure....... by axcel1	Apr 20th, 2008 10:34:53 AM
Ms Tate IS leaving at the end of this Season(series), she made that clear in an interview earlier this year. I hope that is what "Journey's End" is about. Not that I want to see her go.
Oh, one more thing............. by axcel1	Apr 20th, 2008 10:37:08 AM
Planets are disappearing, too.
Prophecies from Pompei by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 10:41:54 AM
Evelina: Doctor, thats your name. Doctor: How did you know that? Evelina: And you, you call yourself 'Noble'. Mother: Now then Evelina, don't be rude! Doctor: No no no, let her talk. Evelina: You both come from so far away. Lucius: The female soothsayer is inclined to invent all sorts of vaguearies. Doctor: Oh, not this time...Lucius, I recon you've been out soothsayed! Lucius: Is that so... man from Galifrey Doctor: What? Lucius: Strangest of images, where home is lost in fire, is it not? Donna: Doctor, what are they doing? Lucius: And you, daughter of... London. Donna: How does he know that? Lucius: It is the gift of Pompei, every single oracle tells the truth. Donna: Thats impossible. Lucius: Doctor she is returning. Doctor: Who is? Whose she? Lucius: And you, daugher of London, there is something on your back! Donna: Whats that mean? EvelinaL: Even the word 'Doctor' is false, your real name is hidden. It burns in the stars - In the Cascade of Medusa herself. You are a lord, Sir.. a Lord of Time. Donna 'calls herself NOBLE'? Its her name. Anything else?
Rose by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 10:48:47 AM
I can see making her the villain She's willing to sacrifice 2 unverses to be with the Doc Him, not so much> Watching him having to reject her might make me shed a manly tear.
I think Doc's responsibilities by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 10:54:28 AM
are starting to show Up until recently he could rest in the knowledge that all the other time lords were making sure the day to day things were on track. I think he'll be feeling the preasure of being the last of his kind in greater and less obvious ways
IOW by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 10:57:30 AM
He is going to have to find a path to Galifry
RE: Planets are disappearing, too by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 11:04:40 AM
That was the 2nd season of Lexx
The Time War... by vadakinX	Apr 20th, 2008 11:06:04 AM
In Fires of Pompeii, the Doctor said he couldn't go back and save the Time Lords. But the way he said it makes me believe he had tried, that it was one of those events that was "in flux" as in an event he could change, but when he tried, he couldn't which would suggest that Gallifrey (and Skaro) isn't just gone, it's been wiped from existence. The homeworld of the Time Lords is trapped in a place out side of time, possibly before the beginning of the universe, so no matter how far back it time he goes, he can't find Gallifrey and he can't warn the Time Lords. Gallifrey ending up outside of time would also help explain why the Time Lords couldn't forsee their own fate. The reason I'm bringing this up is because of The Doctor's song coming to an end...if it is indeed a song of lonliness, then it may be a hint at a return of Gallifrey and Skaro. If I remember correctly, Skaro suffered the same fate as Gallifrey. The return of Davros may tie into the return of not only the Daleks, but Skaro as well, which would open the door for Gallifrey to return as well in the rumoured Time War special.
Donna Noble is an anagram of A Neon Blond. by Smashing	Apr 20th, 2008 11:07:43 AM
A clue?
Maybe by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 11:20:46 AM
He can't bring Galifry back without bringing Skaro back, and as much as he wants Galifry back, he wants Skaro gone more
Oh Shit by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 11:29:08 AM
Insert stairs and doors jibba jabber here
My theory... by DuncanDisorderly	Apr 20th, 2008 11:34:10 AM
Donna is the Rani and Rose will turn up end of series to stop her. You heard it here first...
Mr T as the 11th Doctor by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 11:35:23 AM
urrrr, WHATS YOU LOOKIN AT FOOL!
Why and How would Donna be the Rani? by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 11:41:29 AM
Another hobwatch? (or whatever their called) Rose as the life giver again. She weilded cosmic powers once... Who's to say (Including The Doctor) that that can ever, really be relinquised.
the tatehaters... by omarthesnake	Apr 20th, 2008 12:52:28 PM
seem curiously quiet. As if most of them have realized she's doing a damned good job and no one cares to hear their mindless venom. She was excellent in the Pompeii episode, and fine in this one. Pity she's not giving you ammo for your complaining... because so many of you seem to be the types who only enjoy complaining and can't bring themselves to accept a show on its own right if it makes the unforgivable sin of not being exactly, precisely the version of the show you'd make if you were in charge. Which you never will be. Oh, and regarding some complaints last week about her gingerness... what the hell is this anti-redheaded thing about anyhow? That's a very strange, silly bias to have. (shrug)
At the very end of time by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:07:00 PM
Te Doctor holding a sabre Uses it to scratch a 1 foot line in the dust Then he steps over the line
I'm generally a tater by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:10:15 PM
and the reason why we've stopped complaining is because we would simply be repeating ourselves as to why we hate the tate. The reasons remain. As everyone has said, she's wisely toned her 'thing' down since the christmas special - but the fact remains that there was very little reason to pick her to start with... aside from her annoying 'am i bovvered' show. I was very surprised when I actually felt myself giving a shit during her scenes in Pompei where she showed her yearning to go back and 'just save one!' I was surprised at her acting there. But shes got a lot to do to be worthy of WHO. And that rhymes. And the Doctor doesn't necessarily want SKARO gone... he had a greal deal of trouble just blowing the infant Daleks up in Genesis... I can't see him destroying the entire Thal and Kaled races too! Perhaps the whole moral aspect that seems to be playing a large role so far this series will have something to do with this later? For example, the adipose were just kids, and he didn't slaughter them.
I'm generally a tater by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:10:18 PM
and the reason why we've stopped complaining is because we would simply be repeating ourselves as to why we hate the tate. The reasons remain. As everyone has said, she's wisely toned her 'thing' down since the christmas special - but the fact remains that there was very little reason to pick her to start with... aside from her annoying 'am i bovvered' show. I was very surprised when I actually felt myself giving a shit during her scenes in Pompei where she showed her yearning to go back and 'just save one!' I was surprised at her acting there. But shes got a lot to do to be worthy of WHO. And that rhymes. And the Doctor doesn't necessarily want SKARO gone... he had a greal deal of trouble just blowing the infant Daleks up in Genesis... I can't see him destroying the entire Thal and Kaled races too! Perhaps the whole moral aspect that seems to be playing a large role so far this series will have something to do with this later? For example, the adipose were just kids, and he didn't slaughter them.
gaah by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:10:39 PM
fucking non formating forum The Doctor Holding a sabre Uses it to scratch a 1 foot line in the dust Then he steps over the line
double posters are cunts by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:13:58 PM
i.e. me. Oh and one more thing... anyone else interested to see the Doctor come to terms with the fall of Arcadia? Here's hoping.
Donna as the Rani? by ZeroCorpse	Apr 20th, 2008 01:14:21 PM
I suppose it's possible. I did think it was the Rani who picked up the Master's ring at the end of last series. Who knows? They've done weirder things. I could also buy that Rose will become the mother of the new Timelords-- She's got the power within her, and it might be growing into something bigger. Hell, she brought Jack back to life as an immortal. She may be capable of bringing back Gallifrey as well. Davros never really impressed me. He always came off as a bit too chatty. He could have beaten the Doctor a few times, but always goes into villain exposition mode, instead. I agree that the whole "evil head of a company" theme is WAY overplayed on this series. What is it with U.K. writers? Are the bosses in England really so bad that "evil boss" could be it's own genre? I would love to see McCoy back on the show, but I'm not sure how they'd pull that off. I loved his Doctor. But then, I was a big fan Colin Baker, too, and NOBODY seems to like the Sixth Doctor besides me. A theory on the end of Gallifrey: With no other Timelords around (or at least, none we know of) it's entirely possible the Doctor has WAY more regenerations now. He's not limited by the "rules" anymore because there's no one to control it. Also, Timelords have shown a tendency to steal each others' regenerations, which might mean that if all the other Timelords are dead, the remaining Timelords get their regenerations by default. Oh, and Timelords can cross gender with regenerations, or it has at least been hinted that they can. I wouldn't mind a gender reversal for the Doctor, just for a Regeneration or two. Why not? It could be fun if they get the right woman for the job.
I'm waiting for the Doctor to say by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:22:49 PM
I know Kung-fu And in the next sentence I'm not left handed
The Bees by ZeroCorpse	Apr 20th, 2008 01:24:12 PM
I don't think this was a "clue" or anything. This is REALLY HAPPENING in our world, right now. All the bees are disappearing, and it's a pretty big deal because they're sort of essential to our ecosystem. I think this was just the scriptwriter bringing an important world fact to your attention.
The whole Rose thing could be a mistake by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:34:21 PM
As The Doctor, you Know you could tear down the vaults of heave so you could be together But, also, as The Doctor you Know you can't tear down the vaults of heaven so you can be together.
I'm just waiting for the Doctor to say by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:38:31 PM
"Donna... you're.. you're the Rani?! I trusted you Donna. You used me?!" to which she will reply "Am I bovvered?" At which point Doctor Who changes genre, from Sci-fi to farce.
I don't get it by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:39:53 PM
bovverd?
you don't get it? by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:48:17 PM
are you American?
What's on Donna's back? See "Planet of the Spiders"... by SpyGuy	Apr 20th, 2008 01:49:22 PM
And yes, they can even disappear, which would explain quite a bit.
you need to by Seph_J	Apr 20th, 2008 01:51:31 PM
youtube the Tate woman... look for her 'show'... and then it'll all become clear
Yhy, yes by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 01:51:49 PM
Yes I am Thank you
Good episode. by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 20th, 2008 03:14:00 PM
A little goofy at the beginning with the Star Trek rocking back and forth on the TARDIS and Donna's costume change, then later more unnecessary screwdriver use and the Ood being able to transform the boss into one of their own didn't make a whole lot of sense (looked cool though), but overall I had a fun time with it. Donna talking into the ball was great as was the exchange about the Doctor's last encounter with the Ood ("It was the devil"). The "I want to go home" scene was also very well done. I'd say 3/5 is an appropriate score for this one. Also, weird bit of trivia: Reading through the talkback and being a newer Who fan, I didn't know who the Rani was so I wiki'd it only to find that the picture for the entry is of Rani Mukherjee, the famous Bollywood actress. I laughed, anyway...
enjoyable episode by palewook	Apr 20th, 2008 04:08:28 PM
some good stuff, some ok.
"Am I bovvered?" by axcel1	Apr 20th, 2008 04:26:33 PM
'Bovvered' is a bastardisation of the word 'bothered'. I thought that's what it meant, but, I wasn't sure. Oh, and BTw, I'm not "bovvered" by Ms Tate.
"I tolerate this century but I don't enjoy it" by proper	Apr 20th, 2008 04:31:15 PM
I've enjoyed these last 3 episodes.The Ice planet was good,shame there were no warriors there,maybe next time..Bigguth=Yeah,you know it,that was a cheap move and I only have to wait till Tuesday,check this,http://tinyurl.com/3bj842 :)..Talking of cheap moves,To be the man you have to beat the man,I think you know the rest little man,Howard would be ashamed ;)..UltraMeerkat= I thought It would be cool if they did a little cough but there you go,I can imagine how that looked in silence,hope it didn't put you off your reps :).The Sontarons look quality,I'm looking foward to next week.http://tinyurl.com/4nqq6b .
Tennant Leaving... by sambrook	Apr 20th, 2008 05:22:49 PM
If he is then it doesn't necessarily mean the specials next year are false. He could regenerate at the end of this series and then have the special next years as one-off "missing adventures" from his time as the tenth Doctor. And with three specials planned that's one with each assistant. Then, Christmas special 2009, enter the new Doctor. Of course none of this answers who'd be in this year's Christmas special as, having seen the villains for it, it's not very easy to casually have a missing adventure. Well I guess it might be actually, just set it in the immediate aftermath of... SPOILERS ...Doomsda y and have the Doctor hunting down Cybermen not sucked through the void. We know not all of them were. It would also mean no companion which fits both the theory above and the Christmas special tradition of the past couple of years of having one-off companions. This is all guess work and it's probably way off but I'm just glad the Christmas special this year has iconic villains. Of course it would be even better if they did a two hour TV movie about the Time War but you can't have everything.
I loved it! Screw persistent detractors... by Avon	Apr 20th, 2008 05:36:00 PM
It's nice to see some ex-Tate haters actually seeing some sense and praising a fine companion. Things I loved: the claw chase scene, the scene with Donna first laying eyes on the Ood in the snow, the bit at the end where our villain 'changes', the brilliantly realised CGI Planet wideshots.... there was a lot to commend about this week's episode and more than some are letting on. This episode together with last week's marks a definite feel of 'classic' Who in many respects, i.e. the cliff hanger type scenes right down to the whole idea of slavery and human's involvement/exploration of humans as flawed beings.
Will we believe The Doctor less when #11 appears? by tangcameo	Apr 20th, 2008 07:00:02 PM
I know all actors get tired of sci-fi roles over time but when Tennant's Doctor bites it and regenerates into #11, will we all believe in the show a little less - like when T2 took over Mulder's spot on the X-Files? Did anyone else expect The Doctor to say "Bless you" or "Gesundheit" when Halpen sneezed out his Ood brain? I think Rose's return has to go with her link to the Heart of the Tardis. It's probably strong enough to keep her linked from one dimension to the next. It's not a hole between existences but a thread between her and the Tardis. And I really hope they quietly and quickly drop Donna's annoying personality.
For The Record I Didn't Hate The Episode... by Kelvington	Apr 20th, 2008 07:04:00 PM
I just thought it was weaker than it needed to be. A few less characters would have been better I think. I'm not in the Donna hating crowd, I do think she should get that mole removed though. It's sort of distracting, particularly when her tear ran right down her face and off the mole.
Just like certain people coming back wasn't THAT big a secret by V'Shael	Apr 20th, 2008 07:09:28 PM
Just like certain-people-coming-back wasn't THAT big a secret, the fact that Tennant is leaving "unexpectedly" at the end of the season is supposed to be a secret too.
Songs in the story by Dreamfasting	Apr 20th, 2008 08:56:13 PM
I noticed that there was a lot of little things going on in the choices of background themes in this episode, although I don't feel I quite caught it all. I wonder if the talk of "songs" might be rather literal - foreshadowing the changing of musical themes in the show (not that it can't also be story foreshadowing).
I wonder if Doctor Who by Trik_Ster	Apr 20th, 2008 09:09:20 PM
Would be the outside observer God, i love the charactewr an all you could do with it I love all the actors an how they've brought him to life but, there are a couple episode I coulda done without....
Tate was pretty good. by gotilk	Apr 21st, 2008 12:20:53 AM
Not anywhere near annoying. Matter of fact, I liked quite a few of her moments this week. Not too shabby.
ripoff by stealandwheat	Apr 21st, 2008 12:24:42 AM
the ood is a utter ripoff neil blomkamp alive in joberg seriously.
proper... by BiggusDickus	Apr 21st, 2008 12:37:13 AM
Ha! Loved it! Nice link, man...thanks!
Rose as a God by carefulsilly	Apr 21st, 2008 01:20:57 AM
Hang on a minute - all this talk of 'Uber Rose' with her Time Vortex powers and we're forgetting the reason the ninth Doctor died was that he absorbed all of that energy out of her to stop her from dying. Thus she CAN'T still have the powers can she? And the Doctor expelled the energy back into the vortex, along with the odd trail shooting out of his mouth in the Christmas Invasion. Thus I'm sticking with the theory that the Doctor will venture back into Rose's universe as it succums to the raging Dalek army lead by everyone's favourite. Wasn't there a theory that Stephen Moffat's museum story was about them unearthing Davros in a library? Oh we should just ignore these spoilers and just enjoy it! But I can't, soon as it says SPOILERS I can feel my finger hovering over the mouse, 'go on click Steven, click, click, click.' Just to re-iterate though - lovng season four so far just wish Torchwood could be this good.
a resounding "meh" by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 02:23:43 AM
It was ok- not as good as pompeii, but light years better than Partners in Crime. Not a lot to criticise, and not a lot to get excited about, just totally average.
Library plot - spoilers by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 03:34:07 AM
The doctor picks up a book, and underneath it is Davros!! He's been hiding under a book for 20 years. That evil genius.
Possible Rose explanation... by Lemming	Apr 21st, 2008 04:48:28 AM
We can assume she has some residual link with the TARDIS from what happened to her, so perhaps the reason she's 'ghosting' around with a sullen look on her face is because she's being pulled along with the TARDIS through time and space without the Doctor's knowledge? It would explain why she was there so briefly, leaving just after the TARDIS did.
davidaball re: Ood sex by Lemming	Apr 21st, 2008 04:51:00 AM
'he' is accurate if they are sexless or asexual. Look it up :)
jccalhoun by Lemming	Apr 21st, 2008 04:55:07 AM
"They evolved a brain outside of their body? What sense does that make? And because they have two brains they must have a 3rd? WTF? I also really hate when they have people traveling between galaxies. Do people have any idea just how far away the nearest galaxy is?" Listen mate, maybe you should just give up on science fiction altogether and stop trying to apply Newtonian physics to things which don't necessarily use them.
jccalhoun by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 05:04:42 AM
I'm sure another Galaxy is much easier to get to than the year 300 trillion, or whatever it was in 'Utopia'. But you're right, its all impossible. Which makes it stupid right? So... from this day on, the only film I am gonna watch, is the CCTV footage from the security cameras in my local shopping center. Because everything that happens in that IS REAL. And thats whats important right.
heh by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 05:11:29 AM
Just for Seph there is now the gritty Urban drama "chav watch". This groundbreaking series is cobbled together exclusively from CCTV footage. Be prepared for the heatbreak as the litte pierced gothette has her heartbroken by the local teenage dreamboat. Gasp in fear as the fat kid gets knocked down and happy slapped by local gang of hardmen "the hoodies", laugh at the crazy antics of 5 boys hiding from truancy officers, cry as little petunia is denied the Top Shop miniskirt of her dreams by her mother (because she's 8)..... New to ITV4
chav watch - "more real than reality" by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 05:30:17 AM
Great pitch jarv. Make sure you only use footage from motionless surveillance cameras... not those motorised ones which turn around - because the movement of the camera might not be naturalistic enough. And do you know just how difficult it is to turn your head at the same speed at a motorised CCTV camera? jccalhoun does. So we don't want any of that, thanks.
History of Davros by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 05:37:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho / classic/episodeguide/ dalekhistory2.shtml
It's no fun arguing about Dr. Who this week by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 05:47:31 AM
There was bugger all controversial in it, and it wasn't exactly edge of the seat stuff. It was all just meh. Hence resorting to chavwatch for laughs.
Lost Jarv by spud mcspud	Apr 21st, 2008 06:15:58 AM
That's because next season of TORCHWOOD will feature the Ood oral-sexing women to death all over Earth as a couple of them come through a time/space rift and land in Cardiff. Those tentacles! The orgasmic fury! John Barrowman rimmed by the Cthulhoid horrors! 1001 gay things to do to/with a Shoggoth! The horror... The horror...
Fine. Let it. by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 06:27:30 AM
I avoid Torchwood like the plague anyway.
GAY DOCTOR WHO by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 07:12:08 AM
Re-watched a few series 2 episodes yesterday: London 2012 Olympics story... the little girl sits in her room singing "Laugh, cucooburrugh GAY your life may be" That guy with the tatooed face in the Cat People Hospital was clearly a gay-man-with-aids analagy - "I'm dying.. but thats fine." My God, there were Gay references in all of them...everywhere! All around me!!!!
SPOILER by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 21st, 2008 07:16:20 AM
**************************** ************************** ************************** ************************** Donna has a huge beetle on her back. But why?*********************** ************************** ************
Kwiz by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 08:03:38 AM
I'd be more concerned about the new lifeform growing on her face. Fucking minger.
Alternate Torchwood by Hagakure	Apr 21st, 2008 09:00:27 AM
Maybe I missed this piece of information, but did any of the episodes ever deal with their being an alternate Doctor in the universe Rose is currently trapped? Torchwood was established because of The Doctor/Werewolf incident (at least in 'this' universe). If a Torchwood exists in an alternate dimension, is there the possibility of Rose making contact with another Doctor?
About Rose-residual power by Automaton Overlord	Apr 21st, 2008 09:04:53 AM
I don't think it nessesarily indicates she has power now, For the ten seconds that she was the full blown Bad Wolf godess, she could see the whole of time and influence it pretty strongly. I mean she scattered that Bad Wolf graphitti all across time and made Captain Jack immortal for the purpose delivering the YANA message to the doctor in the distant future. It seems totaly posible to me that, during her brief moment of power she could pretty much do whatever she wanted with time, including watch or visit with people at her leisure.
Terribly sad and wonderful finale on Torchwood by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 09:05:38 AM
man. If you can't find something to pull your heartstrings in that episode, you aint got a heart. Recommened to anyone who thinks Torchwood is shallow.
That's funny. by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 09:11:55 AM
Because I was unlucky enough to see that episode the other day when I was waiting for the wife to get ready. Maybe it's because I missed so much Torchwood (and I'm more than prepared to concede that this is the case, but I don't watch things I hate), but I'd use that episode as the perfect example of shallow, trite, hackneyed crap. Especially with that little cute bird's message from beyond the grave. I nearly puked laughing. Oh and why did they not kill of that Welsh pig? they could have kept the attractive cast member and got rid of both Crazy Frog and that minger in one fell swoop. Sorry about the lack of character names, but it's because I don't give enough of a fuck about it.
Hagakure by Automaton Overlord	Apr 21st, 2008 09:13:18 AM
I love that! Maybe We'll see the eighth or doctor in an alt. dimension where the the time war never occured and therefore never regenerated into the ninth doctor. I love this show.
Lost Jarv by Automaton Overlord	Apr 21st, 2008 09:20:35 AM
I just watched the last six minutes of Casablanca. What a crap-fest, lots of bullshit hemming and hawing about whether she's going to get on the plane or not. Then the dude from the maltese falcon points a gun at the invisible man to make sure the plane gets away, like I care. Then for some stupid reason this nazi guy shows up and the invisible man shoots him. Then, he and the maltese falcon guy walk of talking about how they're best friends forever! SO GAY! Worst movie ever.
Souds like the plots this season, or purhaps the by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 09:30:54 AM
tone is more like the first or second season than the third. I got that impression from the Voyage of the Damned too. It seemed very like the End of the World episode from the third season. BTW love the heavenly hosts. And the Captain got way too little screen time. And that historian guy would've made a good companion, I agree. Would have made an interesting dynamic for a few episodes. Liked Astrid too, but not as much as Rose or Martha. Colorful settings and characters, lots of future world details, but lacking the focus of the season three episodes. The tension of 42 the, the desperation of Lazarus in The Lazarus experiment, the claustrophstraphobic Gridlock, the creepy Blink and the sad and creepy Family of Blood two parter, plus the epic hree part finle. The pacing seemed more controlled and centered more on the story and characters in each episode. Just struck me thinking back to that season. Voyage of the Damned did have some pretty awesome guest actors. BTW Anyone noticed scenes in the three part final on BBCA that weren't in the Scifi channel showing, and more surprisingly vice versa. For instance the Doctor didn't express surprise at the Master being married in the BBCA showing, but the Master didn't mention how he helped design the Aircraft carrier where brought the Tardis in the US version. And I don't think Martha explained about still having the perception filter whil walking the Earth in the Scifi showing. Looking forward to Martha and the Sontarans. Glad it will be relatively early on that we'll see her.
And I agree about the evil rich guy. Too much already by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 09:37:02 AM
And they never got better than Henry Van Staten anyway.
CrichtonAstronut - Too little, too late by spud mcspud	Apr 21st, 2008 09:37:19 AM
SPOILAGE - DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILAGE! And there I was thinking it was just one missed opportunity. Sure, for once I DIDN'T want to throw a brick at my telly when that smugly (smug AND ugly) twat Owen (a ding-ding ding-ding ding) was talking to Tosh about being about to die, and then he ruined it with that hackneyed, pretentious speech about "Raah! Why wouldn't I want to rage my way into oblivion?". Wanker. Tosh finally showed some chracter - which is probably why they had her killed off - we can't have character development in TW, can we? That would so go against the grain, what with a leading actor who can't act, can't emote, and sure as shit can't develop a character! We can't have character development in TORCHWOOD - why else would we keep Captain Jack alive?!?!? The impressive death scenes aside, it was a shit decision to have Capt John go goody at the end (oh, not at ALL like Spike, then) and even shittier to keep Gray alive. And Ianto STILL hasn't been chopped up and turned into firewood! TORCHWOOD is visual slash fiction for the girls / gay guys who fancy Captain Jack and Spike from Buffy. Everything else this season has been window dressing. It's wankshite and doesn't deserve the money being spent on it. Not when FIREFLY doesn't get past a first season, and manages to be more entertaining in one episode than two entire seasons of TORCHWEAK...
LOL: Casablanca post by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 09:38:08 AM

Loved Derek Jacobi's Master. Brilliant. Always love by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 09:44:24 AM
Derek Jacobi in anything he does. But John Simm did a sort of Caligula in I, Claudius thing with the Master that was ust scary cool in a whole different way. Gotta have some love for that too.
Donna has a tattoo on her back. by DrLektor	Apr 21st, 2008 09:59:43 AM
It's a map to all the missing bees. The final Doctor Who of the season? Well, yeah I think it's not that the Doctor can't save Galifrey, it's that he won't, he's scared, that much was obvious from the episode. The finale will have him surrender to his fate and bring back the Timelords but at the cost of his life, maybe at the cost of all his remaining regenerations, oh man wouldn;t it be beautiful and heartbreaking to see him die, regenerate, then plunge into the fire and die again, then another, and another. The bummer is reversing the Time war would also bring back the Daleks. You want a decent cliffhanger on top of that? How about all the companions fighting desperately to save the Doctor and then failing. He's gone, really gone. The next couple of Who's will have the remaining companions alone in the Tardis, much like the Scooby Gang soldiering after Buffy died. Tennant can return of course, in flashback, in dream sequences, in hologram form. So what then? Well, the Timelords are back, take your pick, this stuff practically writes itself.
that Casablanca Post was good by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 10:00:59 AM
See- I knew that it was my fault for only watching the end- and I'd have missed it usually. Yup, I'll concede that one.
Evolutionary Quandry by DoctorWhat	Apr 21st, 2008 10:07:51 AM
So, The Doctor says that a race of "helpers" could not have evolved. And yet, we're meant to accept that a race of incredibly nice, hairless/furless aliens who - for some ridiculous reason - carry their brains in their hands would evolve on a hostile ice planet. Yeah.... Wow, this was a weak episode. www.doctorwhatus.blogspot.com
Lost Jarv/Mcspud so you don't like Torchwood by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 10:10:43 AM
just wondering because you guys seem a bit ambiguous on that point. Can't quite tell which side of the fense your on. Defintitely, getting the "don't give a fuck" vibe from from the dozens of posts everday about Doc Who and Torchwood, it's clear these trifles have no importance in your world. Just like we can clearly the folks who have no strong feeelings for or against homosexuality from the way they can talk about and apperently see nothing else in the world. Here's a thought, if you didn't even like the finale, time to call it quits, it'll never the seriesyou want it to be. Then again you have to worry about what those fictional gays will get up to with your back turned. Kinda Scarry. Like weeping Angels Don't look away. Don't even Blink
It's series four... by 11dayempire	Apr 21st, 2008 10:11:27 AM
...not series 30. The production team made a deliberate decision to start the series numbers from scratch, in order to avoid alienating new viewers. Oh, and everyone in the UK press (and the public) refers to it as "the fourth series of the revived Doctor Who".
BTW Anyone see the Gram Norton show by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 10:22:47 AM
with David Tennate last night. When someone answered a personals ad Norton put up David the Doctor or something. And a guy answered named Derek and said he'd be the Master to David's Doctor. Don't know if that was an intentional reference to Derek Jacobi or when the episode first aired but it was kind of funny.
BTW Totally agree that Firefly got the royal gip by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 10:47:29 AM
getting canceled without even one full season.
Love Tennate. Hope he stays a long time, but by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 10:54:47 AM
I don't think the series woul have to be worse with a new Doctor. i had thought they'd have hard time finding better than Eccelston and that the series would go down hill in the second season without him. But Damned if Tennate didn't flat own the role. And the next guy might take the role in a whole new and just as brilliant direction. Hell, Martha stepped in well for Rose, sounds like Donna's proving the Taters wrong. Doc Who's never been afraid to shake things up castwise and so far it's worked for them.
That was okay by INWOsuxRED	Apr 21st, 2008 10:57:03 AM
not good. not bad. okay. certainly was hoping for good.
Crichton by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 10:59:45 AM
A few points of clarity, and I can't speak for Spud. 1) I rarey post on Torchwood, and if I do it is to reply to someone else- in this case, you. I don't watch it as a rule. I do care about Dr. Who, and if you look at the posts- the vast majority of them concern Who. 2) I haven't posted this week on the Gay Agenda as there is no sign of it this series(I don't think it is as all pervasive as spud), and mostly I just like debating Smashing. In fact, my biggest complaint about last series of Dr. Who wasn't the gay stuff it was the soap opera nature of a lot of it- especially Martha mooning after the Doctor like some lovesick puppy. 3)I've already conceded that it is probably because I didn't watch the series that I thought it was trite, hackneyed garbage. I will therefore, continue with my policy of avoiding it.
Thought the mole was gonna e this season's by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 11:00:11 AM
BadWolf. It'll just be there all season everyone sees no one talks about it, then in the first f the three part finale, it'll jump ff her face and reveale itself as Davros reborn.
and Donna is hugely better than I thought she'd be by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 11:01:13 AM
There's only been a couple of moments that she's pissed me off. If they keep Tate's horrible fishwife tendencies down for the rest of the series then I will be happy to admit I was completely wrong.
"Who needs a wheel chair I've evolved to attach by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 11:03:33 AM
myself to faces. Long live the Dalek's.
Facial Growth= Davros? by Lost Jarv	Apr 21st, 2008 11:29:50 AM
scary thought. And there was me thinking it was a wart. Because witches have warts. It's true.
Definitelystoked for a Davros return in any form by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 11:39:03 AM

Sorry for the bitching by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 12:06:39 PM
Just get tire of negativity. Seems to be a lot of it on this site, more than on other sites. A lot of anger about various things in various takbacks. Not any one talkbacker specifically but the accumulated affect just grates on my nerves sometimes. Don't mean to offend. I love Torchwood think it's a brilliant complimet to Doc Who, anyone who doesn't, that's cool, I just hope you all have or find something you do love.
Me too, Crich by spud mcspud	Apr 21st, 2008 12:19:50 PM
Was about to launch into a rant about what TBs are really here for, then read this last post. If you love TORCHWOOD, that's cool, it's your opinion, and as the Voltaire said, I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it. Yeah, Jarv and I think it sucks, for various reasons, but really, isn't that what these Talkbacks are for? Venting, both the good AND the bad? I do get confused by those folks who think TBs should al be sweetness and light - not that that's what I think YOU'RE saying, but a lot do. Yeah, I'm negative probably more than I'm positive, but hey, that's how I roll. Pity the Mrs McSpud ;p
BTW Liked your review McSpud by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 12:37:03 PM
looking forward to the and definitely looking forward to Martha coming back. I've only seen Voyage of the Damned so far and I already miss her. Love to see the rest of team UNIT.
A good episode overall by tylermo	Apr 21st, 2008 12:46:24 PM
It was nice to see the Doc on another planet. They used to do that in the old days, except not as much during Pertwee's run(for obvious reasons). Catherine Tate is still palatable, at least. Not my favorite companion of all time, but much better than expected. And, thank God she's not in love with him like every other companion as of late. POO might be the best ep of the season for me. Kind of waivers between POO and Fires of Pompeii. I see that some are not quite pleased with the episode. It was no Satan Pit, or Mysterious Planet, but I thought it was better than average for the new program. Sure there are the usual liberal cliches, some of which ring true, and others which come from the old generalization hand-book. That's what true-believer liberals AND conservatives do. Either way, it was nice to see Percy Darling. As an American viewer, I've only been exposed to his work in Blackadder. Always loved him. And, I thought he did a fine job. Despite various nitpicks, I'd have to say this episode felt sort of new/old school to me. And, that's what I want. The bridge from new to old Who. Take the best of new and old, and throw out the other crap. I'm excited about the return of the Sontarrans. I was told by an American Doc Who convention panelist that the Sontarrans were (supposedly) going to be in place of the Slitheen in the World War III two-parter, but there was a rights issue. I think former who script editor/writer, Robert Holmers, owns the rights to the Sontarrans. The Judoon were okay, but the Sontarrans would have been much better in that ep, as well. Here's hoping RTD and company can deliver the Sontarran goods. Hoping they'll channel Lynx performance from the Time Warrior. Here's hoping for good things ahead. The last two ep's have washed the bad taste of the Adipose episode out of my mouth.
I had to laugh when I saw the part of the season three by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 12:52:22 PM
where Martha said she thought he was gonna say the Master was his long lost brother and he said she watched too much tv. Wonder if they had the Torchwood finale in mind then. Is the Torchwood talk spoiling anybody? I was pretty sure Americans were pretty much the last peeople on Earth getting to see it. Anyway, New Name for Davros: IANM, I Am Not A Mole.
Jeez did I say hoping enough at the end? by tylermo	Apr 21st, 2008 12:56:05 PM
Eeks. Here's hoping, here's hoping, hoping, hoping. Not to mention some left out words. But, you get the point. WHoever called out for UNIT, I totally agree. And, not some politically-correct UNIT, but some good old Lethbridge-Stewart/Sgt. Benton alien ass-kicking. Unless there's a reasonable non-violent solution to the problem. Is this morbid fan-boy rambling, or what? I would prefer a (nothing new under the sun)story with the return of UNIT in which the retired Brig is called into advise because of his past experience. He and the Doc team up one more time, but the Brig snuffs it in the end to save the world, or something. Hell, Sgt. Benton should be Sgt. Major Benton by now. hehe Nicholas Courtney is every bit of late 70's/early 80's, so I'm not sure how he'd look these days. But, Moffat, or somebody is more than welcome to make something of my sh*tty idea.
There is a Mrs Spud? by Smashing	Apr 21st, 2008 02:35:35 PM
Colour me gobsmacked. Stop making fun of Tate's mole, its childish and demeans us all as men to belittle a ladies looks.
Did anyone see Zac Braffs Catherine Tate moment in Scrubs? by Smashing	Apr 21st, 2008 03:38:41 PM
Very funny, he just found out Turk had a testicle removed and never told him, cue Tate face. http://tinyurl.com/534h3x
I'd love to see more UNIT, hell, a UNIT spinoff by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 04:11:08 PM
More militaristic and large scale than Torchwood, sort of like MI-5 with aliens. I've said before that I thought Sean Pertwee would make a cool sucessor to Coutney lethbridge Stewart. if you don't know who Sean Pertwee is, check out the early episodes of Brother Cadfael from the old PBS days, he played Cadfael's friend and official authority of the region Hugh Berenger. Cadfael BTW was played by Derek Jacobe awesome series if you've not seen it. Anyway, Sean Pertwee would be brilliant as a hard nosed by the book officer set against a strange universe that tends to throw the book out the window. Still think the idea could have legs, definitely with Moffat writing it.
And for the record. I think Catherine Tate's cute by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 04:13:07 PM
mole or not. I just get weird ideas.
Think if Cusik/Desond gets to play the Doctor by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 04:16:26 PM
he should wear that magician outfit wih the cape that Jon Pertwee had in his first episode. Or that one the Master was wearing before he went to the aircraft Carrier.
Robert Holmes. Anytime an Episode said written by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 04:22:23 PM
by Robert Holmes you'd kno you in for something cool as hell. a lot of writers contributed a lot of great stuff over the decades, everytime he was in the credits robert holmes delivered the goods. Stil remember Time Warrior what an intro for Sarah Jane. And I loved the interaction between the Sontaran and the barbarian leader.
Would love to see the brig back by davidaball	Apr 21st, 2008 04:34:00 PM
Almost spat out my sandwich when I read " I mistook the unprocessed Ood's secondary brain as an external testicle. They certainly looked like one." I don't think I'll be able to watch that episode again with them cradling them in their hands. Thanks for the comment DamnMichaelBay will just have to wait and see if there are bees in the finale or if your just an overreacting twat. Would love to see the Brig back but unfortunatly it's up to RTD and I'm not holding my breath.
Some great Ideas on this thread by davidaball	Apr 21st, 2008 04:43:54 PM
I love reading them all like bringing back Galifrey and the Brig. Tate being the Rani or being possesed by a giant spider. RTD should have a quick read through here and he might get some better ideas. And for the record: Sarah Jane Adventures = Good Torchwood = Getting better Doctor Who = Great
Glad to see we all agree about UNIT by tylermo	Apr 21st, 2008 05:48:17 PM
As for Tate as the Rani, I'm not so sure. It's an interesting plot twist to have a companion become the villain, but I don't know if she's right for the part. Either way, Tate's definately less annoying than she was in Runaway Bride. Don't have cable at the moment, so I haven't seen any Torchwood or Sara Jane ep's. My friend downloads the Who's for me, but I hesitate to have him download two or three other programs each week. Which reminds me...I still have six or seven of last year's Battlestar's too watch, and all of the new ones. I've already had two big spoilers, and somebody mentioned another in this forum. Oh well. It's only a tv show.
On the subject of childishness on moles and warts... by Kelvington	Apr 21st, 2008 06:40:24 PM
I take objection to the fact that, if we comment on a Tate's mole as something other than attractive, that it's, and I quote, "childish and demeans us all as men to belittle a ladies looks". No it doesn't, if we did that with our girlfriends or wives, then YES it does, but this is a TV star, a (god forbid) celebrity, she has CHOSEN to put herself out into the public eye, and gets both fame and wealth from it, so she is damn well going to hear it from me about that thing on her face. To quote Uncle Buck, "Here's a quarter, why do you go downtown and find a rat to chew that thing off your face". If your famous, and your doing it by choice, then you damn well going to get ridiculed for something that's no more than a fifteen minute visit in a doctor's office. If it were on my girlfriend, I wouldn't say a freaking word.
It'd be interesting Romana survived somehow by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 06:46:10 PM
not to return as a companion but as a guest character.
That's where that quote came from, I was wondering by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 21st, 2008 06:49:13 PM
where I'd heard it before.
Ah quoting Uncle Buck, as certain debate closer. by Smashing	Apr 21st, 2008 07:00:19 PM
Check it out Kelvington I was joking. I am tired of the "they put themselves in the spotlight so I can bitch them out" argument though. If you wanna act like a dog then at least own it, having celebrity does not automatically mean someone is fair game for demolition. That is just how you see it. Attacking someones looks is a sign of self insecurity anyway uggo.
Regarding the mole, Kelvington. by ZeroCorpse	Apr 21st, 2008 07:14:44 PM
I agree. Celebrities should have them removed! The whole "mole thing" didn't work out for Cindy Crawford or Marilyn Monroe, either. Oh. Wait.
Spud, so your problem with Torchwood by ZeroCorpse	Apr 21st, 2008 07:29:34 PM
...is that Firefly got cancelled? Typical Whedon fan. If Joss didn't shit it out of his cranium, then you don't like it, and if he did write it, you think he was the originator and not a hack plagiarist-- which he is. All he does is rehashes other peoples' ideas for nostalgia points and throws in a few dated pop culture references to keep the kids entertained. I'll kindly ask you to keep your fanwank for Joss to a minimum in this talkback, as we got quite enough of Browncoats and Scoobies drooling like obsessive drones all last year when Herc was totally ignoring the Whoniverse to bring us more news about Joss holding press conferences, Joss having a reunion with an actor from Buffy, or Joss taking a shit and calling it Emmy™ Award-Winning piece of creative development. I happen to like Torchwood. I'm not a girl (and really, how can anyone call us girls when they defend fucking BUFFY, the queen of all 14-year-old girl slash-fuel shows?) and I'm not queer. I just like my SciFi characters to do a bit more than throw groovy catch-phrases at each other ("Big bad"? Gag me.) and actually GO OUT and do something instead of standing around in a library shooting snarky banter around the room like a deflating balloon. You gripe about the "gay" thing in Torchwood and then you defend Buffy? Where pretty much every major character is apparently coming out the closet as the story progresses? Dude. Go bag on Torchwood in one of the gajillion Whedon talkbacks that Herc likes to post. Here, you've done nothing to sway my opinion of either Torchwood or Buffy, and have pretty much reinforced my image of Whedon fans being pretentious, deluded, rude little obsessive dorks who wouldn't know an decent story if it were shoved up their ass and sprouted needles. At first, I just "didn't like" Buffy and Firefly, but thanks to Whedon's insane, pushy fans, I absofuckinglutely HATE them now. in my book, Whedonites are a notch below weeaboos and furries on the social scale. Give us a reason to appreciate your argument, instead of the constant comparisons to Whedon, and we might reconsider our position.
Clarification: I don't hate the fans... by ZeroCorpse	Apr 21st, 2008 07:31:50 PM
I hate the shows BECAUSE of the fans. I just think the fans are assholes.
I wouldn't call myself a Whedonite just a... by tylermo	Apr 21st, 2008 08:23:27 PM
fan of Firefly and Serenity. Don't get me wrong, Buffy and Angel weren't too bad. Those programs just aren't my genre. As for pop culture references...yes, there were more than a few. Doctor Who does a little too much of that(these days) for my taste. Seems to work better in Buffy, or Kevin Smith films. Not in Doctor Who so much. Back to my original post...while I'm not really a Buff or Angel fan, I absolutely loved Firefly and Serenity. Not calling it new and original, but it was a lot of fun to watch. I loved the way all of those characters formed one big dysfunctional family. Everybody's entitled to their own opinion, but I happen to include Firefly, Farscape, and the new Battlestar Galactica among some of the best science fiction, or science fantasy programs. Pretty close to original Trek, TNG, DS9, Bab 5(well, some of the characters, and seasons 1-4 at least), original Doctor Who, Blake's 7, etc. On a side note, rude fans seem to exsist in every nook and cranny. From SW prequel-haters to liberal vs. conservative arguments in Star Trek and Doctor Who, etc. Believe me. As a conservative-friendly, libertarian sort of guy it's easy to piss off some of the typical sci-fi politico's. Then again that can be said about the conservative side from time to time, as well. That is all.
The Rani: CONFIRMED by Demon Disco	Apr 21st, 2008 09:10:03 PM
RTD stated on the DVD commentary for Last of the Time Lords that the hand that picked up the Master's ring at the end was indeed The Rani's. It's official. It's canon. She IS back. And it could well be Donna Noble...
I like the Donna is the Rani idea.... by Seph_J	Apr 21st, 2008 10:19:16 PM
however I don't think most people would. The majority of people watching Doctor Who probably wouldn't know who the Rani is. They would feel cheated when the reveal occured. Like.."how the fuck are we supposed to know that Donna was The Rani..... what the fuck is A RANI?". And that WOULD alienate audiences (excuse the pun).
The problem with bringing the Rani back by Lost Jarv	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:17:47 AM
is that it fucks around with continuity that RTD has established. If the current doctor is the last of the Timelords then you should stick to this and not have other Gallifreyans pitch up because you need an idea. Fuck it, why not bring back Romana as a companion or whatshername that was the Doctor's granddaughter? Personally, I think they painted themselves into a bit of a corner with the whole last of the timelords thing. I don't mind Gallifrey being irredeemably totalled, but it strikes me as quite a cool idea to have several rogue and good timelords tooling about the universe.
Except it does sort of make the Doctor by Lost Jarv	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:20:01 AM
part of Interstellar/ time police force. So maybe not. Regarding the Unit thing: I think it is a great idea. However, I also think that this is where a lot of my disappointment with Torchwood comes from- when it was originally announced that is what I thought it was going to be. Then I saw the casting and alarm bells started ringing. Then I watched a few and..... So give us a more gung-ho action based unit (don't cast Sean Pertwee) with more asskicking and less sex.
How is Donna The Rani by emeraldboy	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:35:47 AM
I heard it was JOanna Lumley who is going to play the Rani.
ZeroCorpse by spud mcspud	Apr 22nd, 2008 03:45:47 AM
Good to see ya! Been wondering where you've been this Talkback. If we're going to get into this, at least have the courtesy to read what I say! Nowhere EVER have I copped to being an absolute everything-he-does-is-fried-go ld Whedon fan. I thopught BUFFY TV was okay for its time, not great, but I see why it broke new ground when it first came out. In fact, Herc may well bust a gut at this: I PREFER KRISTY SWANSON'S BUFFY (AND THE MOVIE ITSELF) TO THE TV SHOW!!! Whole other argument. I thought ANGEL was a great improvement on BUFFY, but still - you're right, at times, it felt like being a parent watching a bunch of your kid's friends talking and throwing 'cool' phrases around (using 'cool' very advisedly), but at times, it was fantastic. FIREFLY to me is so far above all the other Joss Whedon stuff, it's in another league. If you're going to generalise, get it right first time. If you don't get my problems with TORCHWOOD by now, give up - you'll never have the capacity to understand. As for FIREFLY and SERENITY, see tylermo's statement above - that's pretty much my view on all this, that the FIREFLY universe has thrown up some of the most exciting sci-fi in years, if not decades. It's a romp - a big old chase show with smart-mouthed (but steely hearted) captains, cowardly but skilled pilots, a naive engineer, a dishonest doctor, a preacher who is also good with a gun... It's the Wild West in space! How can you NOT love that? If I may generalise, Zero... Sometimes it seems like the only reason you DO like TORCHWOOD is because it's sci-fi for the gay community. Leaving aside the argument that surely the main ingredient (or at least the first consideration) in a sci-fi script should be sci-fi, can you SERIOUSLY argue that the writing in TORCHWOOD is better than anything by Whedon? It wasn't a Whedon show that began with a team of alien-hunters so secret that even the Government and the police have no jurisdiction over them, than no-one is supposed to know they exist... except Ianto, who follows Jack back because he fancies him. So Jack makes no attempt to hide his whereabouts, doesn't notice he's being followed, doesn't mind Ianto breaching national security because there might be a shag in it for him... Said it before, said it again: if every time Mulder & Scully entered the office you saw Skinner banging away at some young male FBI intern, THE X-FILES wouldn't have the same kind of gravitas it had. It would be CARRY ON UP THE X-FILES. If you want a camp, stupid sci-fi show, either petition Alex Raymond to replace the current FLASH GORDON with a weekly version of the Sam J Jones 1980 epic, or watch TORCHWOOD. The rest of us expected what we were told it would be - an edgy, darker take on the Who universe. What we GOT was CARRY ON CARDIFF crossed with QUEER AS ALIENS. And the gay community are so out and proud in the BBC that they didn't even have the balls to promote TORCHWOOD for what it is - the first sci-fi show aimed at the gay community first, and the heteros second. They push it as the DR WHO / X-FILES, and give us PREDATOR VS SKINS. The writing is childish, there's no continuity in character development, there are some RIDICULOUS mistakes in it (a SECRET team's SECRET van actually has the TORCHWOOD logo and loads of flashing blue neon on it?!?!?) and some Godwaful sofa-bitingly cringeworthy moments (Captain Jack's Batman helicopter shot as he stands on the building in S1 E1? Fucking RIDICULOUS!). TORCHWOOD doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. People willl be watching and buying the FIREFLY / SERENITY DVDs long after TW has died. And I doubt, very much, if there are enough TW fans to force the Beeb to release a theatrical TORCHWOOD movie. Why don't you stop hinting at the "Spud's a homophobe 'cos he doesn't like gay sci-fi" angle for a minute, and actually give ME some reasons as to why TORCHWOOD is better than FIREFLY, without resorting to throwing insults around like a spoilt child, ZC?
Never particularly got into Buffy and Angel by Lost Jarv	Apr 22nd, 2008 04:08:56 AM
and I've never seen Firefly/ Serenity. But I would like to hit Whedon with a big fucking stick for his Alien Resurrection script.
Don't be dissing 1980 Flash Gordon, Spud by Lost Jarv	Apr 22nd, 2008 04:11:14 AM
It's a masterpiece. Where else would you get a highly trained RSC thesp, a future James Bond, Topol, and the Fucking Exorcist mangling some of the worst dialogue ever written whilst wearing spandex and plastic? It's great on every level and is one of my top 3 "watch when drunk" movies. I fucking love it. So don't be insulting it or I'll set the boreworms on you.
FLASH! AAAAAAA-AAAAAAAAAAAH!!! by spud mcspud	Apr 22nd, 2008 04:46:55 AM
NO, JARV! NOT THE BORE-WORMS! ;D
All good ! by Dude_gimme_tabs	Apr 22nd, 2008 04:49:11 AM
Personally loving Donna as a different type of companion, challenging the Doctor and in turn delighted then terrified at what she finds out there in the Universe. I like how abrasive she is towards some people and situations (eg. the sexism in Pompeii, her reaction when she is about to get speared by the soothsayers etc.) I am look

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