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Last of The Daytime SciFi.Com Feeds?? GALACTICA 4.3!!

streaming doesn't beat watching it live.. by srh1son	Apr 18th, 2008 12:23:11 AM
commericals and all.
Is it US only? by vadakinX	Apr 18th, 2008 12:28:54 AM

I missed the last ep by Trik_Ster	Apr 18th, 2008 12:36:53 AM
and so dl'ed it, and got a hd version I don't ever want to see Roslin in HD again
"YOU'RE STREAMING THE WRONG WAY!" by Read and Shut Up	Apr 18th, 2008 12:56:41 AM
Seriously - the last ep was tits. Starbuck and Ol' Cragface hugging at the end? Chill inducing.
If you missed an episode, watch it on MSN.com Hulu tv episodes.. by Brian_De_Man	Apr 18th, 2008 01:06:06 AM

Here is the plot of the final episode: by vadakinX	Apr 18th, 2008 01:06:30 AM
It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships, striking from a hidden base, have won their first victory against the evil Galactic Empire. During the battle, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with enough power to destroy an entire planet. Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy... Sounds interesting...but where's Earth? Dammit!
The streaming is pretty quality, actually. by gotilk	Apr 18th, 2008 01:14:13 AM
But it looks better in HDTV. I admit it, I'll be watching it twice. I'm a frakkin' goober.
I hope they don't do what I think they're gonna do... by The Shyster	Apr 18th, 2008 01:16:10 AM
'cause if C**** goes out the airlock, I'm going to be very sad :(
Cally out the airlock? - not a spoiler, just a guess... by Abin Sur	Apr 18th, 2008 06:41:41 AM
Didn't they already do that ep LAST season? How many times can the poor girl get explosively decompressed?
Cally out the Airlock is not going to happen... by Lemming	Apr 18th, 2008 07:02:54 AM
I've no idea why anyone would think that. That's just stupid.
Great, cuz I work from 9 to 5EST. by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 07:03:48 AM
:-( I am FRAKKED.
Lobotomized spaceships by CuervoJones	Apr 18th, 2008 07:09:59 AM
Crazy. I like crazy.
I dont think this is the last streaming by ArianeB	Apr 18th, 2008 07:13:18 AM
My reading of the streaming page is that this will be the first and last time they stream eight times in one day. Next week we will be back to one at noon. I assume this is a test of the system capabilities.
New Theory... by SKULL1138	Apr 18th, 2008 07:22:08 AM
I posted a Theory on the last BSG talkback, but I ahve another... I reckon that they are all Cylons...Let em explain. I think the FInal 5 are the original models of cylons that were either banished from earth or left Earth for soem reason, they created the other 7 models and then Cylons eveolved a stage further to creat a race almost identical ti Humans, so much so that these new Cylons actually thought they were humans, they then created the Toaster cylons themselves, the 7 models had their memories of all this wiped and were programmed bnot to think about the original 5, they took over the Toasters and limited their AI so they would be almost slave like and plotted the destruction of the Humans (Evolved Cylons) The final Cylon and leader of them all placed the other 4 we have just discovered into the Human society as a way to protect them and make sure they survive, the Toasters recognise this and thus will not folow the ones who wish to destroy the humans and lobotomise the Toasters. In the end they will realise the reason no tests can be created to tell the difference between Cylon and Human is because the genetic make up is exactly the same, they are just more advanced Cylons. The Final Cylon along wiht he awakkened other 4 will reveal all this by the end of this series, probably as they get to earth, and at that point they will either discover a society of fully integrated Cylons/Humans, or they will find their Human creators and set about destroying them as revenge for exiling them into the stars. Evidence - How can a Cylon and a Human have a Baby if they are a different species, this has happened twice already (Tyrrol is a Cylon) GOD - the one true God they refer to is the Final Cylon Leader, what is a god if not the being that creates a species? I am relaly starting to think now that this all makes sense that this War was completely pointless, but perhaps necessary for some ultimate goal of the Final Cylon that we are not aware of, perhaps thats why Strbuch although not the final Cylon can be downloaded into another body identical. I also think that is why Baltar survived the attack on caprixca and how he can talk to both himself and six, because it is a side effect of the download process. Perhaps Baltar as disliked as he is will be the link to revelaing everything, perhaps it si even the final Cylon/God that is talking directly with Baltar/Six although appearing as someone they already know. Thoughts? Totally wrong?
Apologies for spelling by SKULL1138	Apr 18th, 2008 07:23:41 AM
That was a pretty badly spelt post....sorry, just a dyslexic typer, I put letters in the wrong order and type faster than I can actually type well.
Why inviso text that last one? by jccalhoun	Apr 18th, 2008 07:36:30 AM
That last point of the invisotext was pretty much given away in the teaser for this episode so why invisotext it?
"Where's Earth?" by Shan	Apr 18th, 2008 07:48:00 AM
In a galaxy far, far away of course ...
Battlestar Galacticlue board game by SpyGuy	Apr 18th, 2008 07:51:21 AM
I'll guess Cally in repair bay with the wrench.
I had a really strong stream this morning by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 18th, 2008 07:52:22 AM
I drank a big old glass of moo-juice before bed. Really yellow and pungent (the stream, not the milk). Morning wood rules!
Frankly, it sounds like piss-poor writing. by jae683	Apr 18th, 2008 07:52:53 AM
This series has so many dropped plot lines and plot holes it's ridiculous. What ever happened to the 'special' love child between a Cylon and a Human? Guess now that chief is a cylon, and he and Cally have a kid, that wasn't such a big deal. Or has that kid disappeared too. And what about Richard Hatches' character? He sort dropped off the face of the fleet. They whole finding an alternative home planet thing (and the three year jump in time) felt like shark jumping, frankly. Just another excuse to comment on the 'current administration and Iraq.' We all know how Hollywood types love those story lines, never mind that it doesn't make a lick of sense. I mean, why would a race nuke the willys out of another race's home planet, and then conveniently decide to change policy once they found them. I would think an enemy robot race would just take them out and be done with it. They seem to change their minds more than a woman in a clothing store. And let's not get started on the whole mumbo-jumbo metaphysical crap going on. I suppose we'll all be Cylons in the end. ‘Oh, were just like them and they’re just like us!’ jeeze. Some sort of BS esoteric non-sense. Here's an idea, why not tell a straight-up sci-fi story where all the plot lines have a purpose, and earth isn't just some maguffin. And please, please, no cheesy flying motorcycles! I loved this series when it started, but I’m quickly losing hope for it.
bah, eidting on this thing sucks! by jae683	Apr 18th, 2008 07:53:42 AM
Sorry for the giant paragraph.
funny how those things jae683 is complaining about are being add by jccalhoun	Apr 18th, 2008 08:20:10 AM
This episode feature the Chief and Cally's kid (who is a fatty) and Richard Hatch's character.
That Will Smith Ad Is Freaking me Out by Aquatarkusman	Apr 18th, 2008 08:20:45 AM
Get some Chapstick, motherfucker!
Bring it on!! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Apr 18th, 2008 08:34:53 AM
The series just goes from strength to strength. Cant wait for tonights episode! Shits gonna fly!!
add, you're mistaking me for someone who wants this show to fail by jae683	Apr 18th, 2008 08:35:32 AM
I don't. I hope they clean it up and get back to the original quality. I haven't seen the recent spots, but if they answer some of these plot line in this episode, great.
jae683 by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 08:45:39 AM
Have faith. To some, the show may seem to be stuck in Lost-style limbo, full of plot holes, mischaracterizations, and forgotten storylines, but some of us have seen Moore's Deep Space Nine. The final season, and chiefly, the final seven episodes of DS9 were nothing short of fucking incredible. Every major theme and overarching plotline or characterization in the _series_ had an episode that capped off the arc perfectly. I remember watching the series as it aired. When the commercials came on talking about "the final seven episodes of Deep Space Nine!" I wondered how it would be possible to wrap up the series in that short a time. Moore didn't just avoid disappointment, he completely blew away every expectation I had as to how the series would end.
=( by The Shyster	Apr 18th, 2008 08:48:26 AM
That ending makes me feel... kinda... not good.
stream worked great this time around by cyrent	Apr 18th, 2008 08:48:36 AM
able to watch the entire thing in pretty good quality with zero stutters... and I'm not even on that great of a connection (sharing a 768kbps dsl with roommates) talk about a shocking dramatic conclusion to an episode though. it actually surprised me twice in about 30 seconds.
stuff continues to happen but not the good stuff by jccalhoun	Apr 18th, 2008 08:50:30 AM
If we didn't know that there were only like 17 episodes left this would be a pretty good episode. Lots of stuff happens but unfortunately because I know that the end is coming (although probably not until next year. grrr) all these complications are frustrating. The end wasn't totally unexpected but was sad to see that happen. More questions and more difficulties hiding the truth. On another note I noticed that both Helo and Athena were on the ship with Starbuck. Does that mean their kid is too?
BSG board game: by palewook	Apr 18th, 2008 08:50:35 AM
i'll take the president with cancer in the sickbay
whoah by EBF	Apr 18th, 2008 08:53:04 AM
Tori: What is she covering up for President Roslyn?
Jesus, MORE fucking "marital discord"? by Mockingbird Girl	Apr 18th, 2008 09:01:00 AM
Gosh, I hope it's just like last week's episode where everyone talks a lot and nothing actually happens.
This is a DARK episode (no spoilers). by DonnaDarko	Apr 18th, 2008 09:24:19 AM
Just caught the stream on SciFi.com - it's quite possibily the darkest episode of the series so far.
Who is Natalie? by Diagnostic	Apr 18th, 2008 09:40:00 AM
Honestly. It really hard to keep them straight. It has been off air for so long.
Weapons Locker 1701D by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 18th, 2008 09:47:49 AM
Energize Me!
"Hand of God" lightship? by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 18th, 2008 09:50:35 AM
Did anyone else see that? The Plot Thickens...
"Lost-style limbo, full of plot holes, mischaracterizations" by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 09:52:16 AM
You mean like how LOST S4 is explaining everything? Good way to lose all credibility... and yes *LOST SPOILERS* Richard is coming back.
Ashok0 by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 09:54:25 AM
They've explained nothing. This season has proven to be yet more filler on the level of the execrable third season.
Uh....filler....right..... by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 18th, 2008 09:57:07 AM
If your heart wasn't pounding during the last minute of that episode you might be a skinjob!
Strabo by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 09:57:46 AM
Yeah, the sickness, who made it off the island, what happened to Michael, did Desmond really time travel... none of that was explained. lol. You, sir, are an idiot.
Kentucky Colonel by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 09:58:45 AM
I think Strabo was drinking Kool-Aid, and claiming that LOSTs hi-octane 4th season has been all "filler".
I'm almost to where jae683 is at by gruntybear	Apr 18th, 2008 09:59:40 AM
Except for the fact that I loved everything up to the end of last season - yes, even the Dylan as cylon Pied Piper headscratcher. The problem this season seems to be seriously muddled writing. Why the fuck is Lee leaving the fleet? Was it ever addressed? What actual confirmation do the Watchtower four have that they are indeed cylons? I don't buy Anders' red-eye "scanning" by the raider as proof positive that all four are skinjobs. I'm tired of these inchoate "feelings" driving the crew to weaker and weaker plotlines. Those four have a "feeling" that they're cylons. Roslyn has a "feeling" about the correct way to Earth. Starbuck has the exact opposite "feeling" about why "THEY'RE GOING THE WRONG WAY!" Fuck the "feeling" shit and give me some concrete reasons for why the plot is moving the way it seems to be moving. There are just too many continuity/timeline errors for Tigh and Galen to both be toasters. Plus, why should I give two shits about internal cylon metaphysical bickering? That whole "stop lobotomizing the raiders" coffee break debate in that cheaply lit nightclub that the cylons use as a command center went fucking N-O-W-H-E-R-E. The "final five" mystery seems completely tacked out of the ether. I seriously don't care who the final cylon is. I want the war to be resolved. I want to know why the cylons suddenly "got religion" and changed tactics. I want the fleet to find Earth. Everything else is bullshit.
Apparently not. by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 10:00:36 AM
I'm thinking more about things from the first season (of Lost, my previous post was NOT about BSG) that have yet to be explained.
Way to drop the pounds, Callie! by Smokin Doc Cottle	Apr 18th, 2008 10:01:09 AM
Yeah, she was hot with the baby-fat-cheeks, but damn does she look fine! Super cool haircut, tight assed booty, all that. She can jump in my bunk anytime! Plus, she's a smoker! Fire it up, indeed!
Herc, THANK YOU! by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 18th, 2008 10:03:29 AM
I've been waiting for Heroes to go down in price and NOW IT HAS!!!! Just bought it. You rock dude!! Or dudette. Have we established that yet? Haven't been paying attention. Nevertheless, THANK YOU.
grunty by Shoegeezer	Apr 18th, 2008 10:05:38 AM
The lobotomised raiders is just the start of bad things in the Cylon world. Things escalate in ep 3.
Strabo by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:06:38 AM
Well, LOST has explained 90% of everything from S1. Polar bears. Explained. What Kate Did. Explained. Locke's Paralysis. Explained. Saywer's Letter. Explained. The Sickness. Explained. The Cable on the Beach. Explained. The Hatch. Explained. The Others. Explained. The Numbers, Smokey, and the Skeletons? Bigger mysteries which will certainly be dealt with in S5-6.
Helo and Athena by ArianeB	Apr 18th, 2008 10:08:16 AM
I have no idea why Helo and Athena went with Starbuck. Anders makes sense, so does Gaeta, since he is the FTL travel expert, but why send Helo (the CAG now that Apollo left) and Athena. Guess the writers could not think of anything else for those characters to do.
gruntybear by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:09:43 AM
I must say, I am really loving S4's writing. And no one, not even the writer's, have ever suggested that the "Final Five" are typical toasters. They are certainly "different" from the other 7 models. I have a feeling they may be singular individuals. And who's to say Tigh DIDN'T fight in the first Cylon war? I wouldn't be surprised if the Final Five pre-date the birth of the Cylons...
Oh, and seriously, fuck the Lost-ies. Fuck them hard by gruntybear	Apr 18th, 2008 10:10:25 AM
That show is total garbage, through and through. Ooh, the 4th season is THE BEST YET!!!! They explain EVERYTHING!!!! The finishline is in sight, so it's all planned out and all the pieces are falling into place!!! Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. It's just more stopgap, on the fly explanations to keep the mainstream audience dialed in. It's a show about tramping back and forth across a giant magical island, where EVERY fucking conversation is started when one character sticks a gun in the face of another character. Oh, the drama. And where if the castaways just got together and had one giant beach summit where they actually finished conversations with one another, all of the so-called "mysteries" would be over. Macguffin after macguffin after macguffin.
gruntybear by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 10:12:04 AM
Rewatch the last three or four episodes of the third season to answer most of your questions. Lee has left the Galactica due to his resignation during Baltar's trial. Particularly due to the scene where Admiral Adama called him a traitor and a liar for defending Baltar. As far as the four sleeper cylons go, RDM has stated that the fourth season will change our idea of what a cylon is. The popular theory is that we'll learn that cylons were invented prior to the exodus from Kobol, and that the citizens of the Twelve Colonies are the descendants of the original cylons and the refugees from Kobol. As far as a resolution to the conflict between the two fleets, and finding Earth, refer to my post above about RDM's final season of DS9. History has shown that RDM _WILL_ provide a denoument to the show that will satisfy all of your questions. Just give him time, and enjoy the ride. And while I'm here, I'll take the opportunity to tweak Ashok0. From what I understand, J.J. Abrams _didn't_ give the fans of Alias much of a denoument in that show. I'm far more convinced of RDM's ability to close out BSG with a win than with Abram's ability to finish Lost without screwing the fans.
SkidMarkedUndies by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 10:13:03 AM
Hercules is perpetually a fourteen-year-old girl. Witness the constant fetishization of everything related to Buffy and Joss Whedon.
Ugh. by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 10:15:52 AM
Denouement x2.
gruntybear by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:20:09 AM
Actually I hate to break it to you but JJ Abrams has virtually nothing to do with LOST. LOST is being helmed by a different man, Damon Lindeloff AKA God. And unlike Alias, LOST S4 really does answer everything in a highly logical fashion. It is planned out to the very end, and the pieces really are falling into place like an intricate jigsaw puzzle. And "The Constant" remains one of the strongest hour of television I have ever seen. Period. Mania Review for "The Constant": A+ IGN Review for "The Constant": 10.0
Ashok0 by EagleDelta1	Apr 18th, 2008 10:27:55 AM
LOST S4 is definitely is the best written LOST season yet, but there is one thing they haven't answered about the Others yet(at least, some of them) - some of them don't age - WTF? Richard looked the same when he met teenager Ben as he does now. Grunty - I think your just pissed cause BSG isn't going the direction YOU think it should. Moore can't please everyone with the way he's going to end the show. Simple solution - if you don't like it, DON'T WATCH IT!
palewook by secretcylon	Apr 18th, 2008 10:31:55 AM
i'll take long knowing looks in the CIC please.
gruntybear by Lemming	Apr 18th, 2008 10:34:58 AM
"The problem this season seems to be seriously muddled writing. Why the fuck is Lee leaving the fleet? Was it ever addressed?" Forgotten Season three already? He left the military because he didn't agree with Baltar's sentence and his dad as admiral wouldn't let him do anything about it. Then he just told you in the last episode why he's leaving - he thinks he can make more of a difference in politics than in the cockpit. "What actual confirmation do the Watchtower four have that they are indeed cylons?" Um...they all heard the same song and were drawn to the same room on the Galactica? I know I'd take that as a pretty big indicator. Grunty, how about you actually watch the show. You'd be surprised how many questions it clears up....
Weapons Room 1701D by ChestBumpingFatKids	Apr 18th, 2008 10:37:21 AM
Nice
Lemming + 1, gruntybear 0 by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:56:49 AM

lee also tried to kill himself so not flying is no surprise by jccalhoun	Apr 18th, 2008 11:12:15 AM
Remember the time he was lost floating in space and wanted to die? Remember the entire series where he has had issues with being a pilot? I think of all things Apollo leaving the military is one of the more believable character moves they have made. Now allowing him to leave when he is one of the most experienced pilots? That's another story entirely.
BSG by redfishbluefish	Apr 18th, 2008 11:44:27 AM
rocks my world! sorry, i just had to say that. just a matter of hours 'til utter bliss.......
damn, that's some col'blooded shit. by Babba-Booey	Apr 18th, 2008 11:47:50 AM
skin jobs be frakin' up the jernt.
OMG'S by skydemon	Apr 18th, 2008 11:49:26 AM
Speechless!! Don't miss this one.!
CALLIE OUT THE AIRLOCK! by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 11:51:03 AM
Holy shit!....um, oh yeah, by the way - Spoiler Alert.
ShiftyEyedDog2 by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 11:57:38 AM
Great. Thanks for that.
the setup by EBF	Apr 18th, 2008 11:57:48 AM
everything going on is meat. while i'm not that interested in tori , and feel like these last few episodes have given her more time than i care about, what she did was really important. will the other cylons kill her? is it that important for the cylons to be in secret? now we know they really think so. but what if one of them doesn't think so? will that mean that tori is automatically ashamed of what she did? is she really feeling "power" and "new awareness" or is she just an asshole who will get a come-uppance? Tori, tori, tori...
GruntyBear by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye	Apr 18th, 2008 11:59:40 AM
Your rant is the rant of a man who never really paid any attention. each of your questions has an obvious answer. go frag off and watch a new tv show if you think its "full of holes"
Strabo by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 12:00:43 PM
You're welcome. Just had to share my feelings of shock. And hey, any truly rabid fan would've already watched it by now.
Normally, I don't care... by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 12:00:59 PM
...about spoilers. I love BSG so much though that I try to avoid them. The first spoiler I was ever pissed off about knowing beforehand was Boomer shooting Adama at the end of season one (and no, that no longer counts as a spoiler, given that it aired in 2005).
ShiftyEyedDog2 by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 12:07:05 PM
I'm at work, unfortunately. I'm taking a risk watching it now. I hate having a manager that's on-site. Stupid reorganization. I preferred it when my manager was a thousand miles away.
Lee leaving by Alientoast	Apr 18th, 2008 12:09:26 PM
Lee leaving, and Bill letting him leave, makes perfect sense. Lee indeed is a good pilot, but Bill knows that the only reason he enlisted was because his dad wanted him to. Combine the issue with Zak Adama, plus the whole Starbuck thing, and you can understand the issues he feels as a guilt-tripped father just trying to make things 'right' for his kids, biological or "adopted".
theories/etc by fact10	Apr 18th, 2008 12:21:20 PM
i've read lots of theories in the new version saying that humans and cylons are the same race and they got me thinking about the original show. when i first started watching bsg i kept waiting for the new version of Imperious Leader to show up. There are re-imagined versions of most every other central character from the original show (for a while there was no Athena, but then sharon took on the name) and it seemed only natural that they would include the main baddy from the old show and yet we still haven't seen him. is he the final cylon? in the original, cylons were a reptilian race that incorporated cybernetic technology into their physicality and created centurion robots. humans obviously were a completely seperate species in that continuity. Imperious Leader was made to appear to be more like the original reptilian cylons than the other civilian cylons and the cylon heirarchy seemed to be based on those who were closer to the original species lording over those who were more robotic. in the new version, given that most if not all cylons are cyborgs, the heirarchy exists here too, except its the android model lording over the cyborg model. we're also given the knowledge that contemporary earth exists in the same continuity as the new series. there had to be a dylan to write "watchtower" right? the final five's sensitivity to the song leads me to think they are more closely linked to humanity than the other seven android models, and thus higher in the the heirarchy. all of the cylons seem to view the cylon/human hybrid babies as even higher up. so what does that make the hybrid on the basestar? what makes it different from the organic cylon/human kids? they treat it with the same disregard as they do the other more slavish cylons
A+ episode! by Razorback	Apr 18th, 2008 12:32:34 PM
Best so far this season... and I loved the first two.
Wow. by Paragon Complex	Apr 18th, 2008 12:50:32 PM
.....
I almost wanna do my podcast NOW! by Lt.Mindcrime	Apr 18th, 2008 12:57:00 PM
I'm the host of Galactica Action Stations and that ending just DROPPED my jaw. I'm actually emotionally moved...this just sux. Still watching the episode you TOTALLY saw this coming.
I too noticed the Lightships and Orbs by Lt.Mindcrime	Apr 18th, 2008 12:58:29 PM
I hope that explains a TON! It'd be cool if the "Lords of Kobol" were the seraphs and the One True God was Lorne Greene
I have'nt been this sad since... by The Shyster	Apr 18th, 2008 01:00:52 PM
Shane dropped a hand-grenade sandwich into Lem's lap. I seriously cried. This is so fucked up... *SPOILERS* I mean... did they (the writers) really have to do that? I'm not talking from a character stand point, don't get me wrong. I know Cally was a PT supporting character at best, but putting a mother through the ringer like that, only to have this BITCH steal her kid and blow her out the airlock like that... =( *
I disagree Shyster. by Lt.Mindcrime	Apr 18th, 2008 01:08:24 PM
I think we're seeing something here. Tori's got a dark side. This is what we needed to see. Especially if she's going to Frak Baltar. She's always had a dark side...don't forget she was the one who came up with the idea of rigging the election. Tori may be an evil cylon...which is AWESOME!
Shyster by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 01:12:45 PM
The bitch didn't steal her kid. She saved the kid. she knew Callie couldn't stick around to reveal their secret, but rather than let Callie put them both out the airlock, she managed to get the kid out of harms way before doing what she had to do. Hey, Callie wanted to die. Let her. But don't punish the kid.
A couple spoilers for the future by jccalhoun	Apr 18th, 2008 01:15:51 PM
I saw this behind the scenes video on Galactica Sitrep that has a couple spoilers in it (one scene of dialog is fairly spoilery of one of the storylines) http://tinyurl.com/3velyq I'm a bit surprised they let that out. Of course knowing tv the scene immediately after that one reveals that the conversation was totally wrong...
Node32774 by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 01:34:34 PM
How about you go fuck yourself, ehh? When the writers prove that they can actually answer all the questions by, you know, actually ANSWERING some, then we'll shut up.
Lost and BSG by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 01:45:39 PM
Lost and BSG are both in the same boat. Both seemed to be randomly wandering around answering questions only to create new mysteries, but now that BOTH have and end date to work towards, tey can BOTH map it out properly. I love both shows, and consider them 2 of the best on TV ever. Why do people feel the need to bash one and praise the other? now Heroes, on the other hand.... that's complete shite
Back to BSG... SPOILERS by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 02:12:08 PM
Wow. That was a great episode. I can't believe they did that. Still, RDM said that there would be several deaths this season, so, it shouldn't come as a big surprise, given how many of the other second tier characters they've killed over the course of the series. It's kind of funny though. All of Tyrol's deckhands in the miniseries are now dead. And two of them killed via airlock. I have to say that I agree with DonnaDarko, for the most part. That was a _very_ dark episode. I don't think we can call it the darkest (Flesh and Bone, or Exodus Part 2 anyone?), but it's certainly pretty dark. Oh, and Node, actions speak louder than words. The producers can polish each other's knobs on the podcast all they want, but I haven't seen shit on the show to convince me otherwise. And again, as history shows, RDM won't disappoint. From what I've heard, Abrams didn't provide a satisfactory end to Alias. So, enjoy your blind, and likely misplaced, faith. I hope it bites you in the ass.
Oh, one more thing... by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 02:16:59 PM
...due to being at work, I wasn't able to pay quite as much attention as I'd like, but from what I saw, I really enjoyed the blurry camera work. Particularly the scene with Tyrol in the background with his audio faded out. Great work, that.
Strabo by thedottedlion	Apr 18th, 2008 02:18:12 PM
Abrams has almost nothing to do with Lost anymore. Stfu and give lindelof/cuse their due.
ahhhh we have all agreed on something by snapple_ladys_lazy_eye	Apr 18th, 2008 02:47:35 PM
that heroes is feckless shit. fucking x-men ripoff still pisses me off.
by Lt.Mindcrime	Apr 18th, 2008 03:03:37 PM
Heroes is quite good...I don't know what you posers are talking about. As to Lost...That is TRULY shite! The fact is the show is more pompous than mac-users. It delights itself in the masterbation of it's own stories to a climax that you then have to get up and clean up after. Frankly BSG is the only quality show on TV...and it's gone by the end of 09.
Stream failed.. last 4 minutes or so. by gotilk	Apr 18th, 2008 03:04:48 PM
Bummer.
Gotilk: by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 03:08:41 PM
once it hit 4pm Eastern, they stop streaming. Last 4 minutes: Callie wants to blow herself and baby out airlock, Tori talks her out of it, takes baby, then knocks out Callie. When she comes to, Callie is alone in airlock, and Tori opens it up. RIP Callie
One last stream...it's on now. by Lt.Mindcrime	Apr 18th, 2008 03:13:49 PM
It's playing now!!!! Tune in at about 35 after to catch what you missed.
SPOILER by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 03:22:13 PM
She doesn't just knock out Callie, she knocks her about 10 feet with some kind of super strength. Interesting revelation about the new cylons. Also, Tori the new Count Iblis?
Snowpuff: regarding "super strength" by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 03:27:05 PM
i didnt really think about it when it happened, but now that you mention it, i realize its not really a new revelation. In the original mini-series/pilot, leoben picks adama up off the ground by the throat, holds him up that way with his arm outstretched, and then throws him.
Shifty by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 03:35:31 PM
Definitely, but we didn't know what these new cylons are capable of, whether or not they are "human" et cetera. Also did you notice they went out of their way to show ______ as very very dead? Why did they do that? Being shoved out the _______ not enough? Me thinks that's a clue to something.
is ____ as very very a clue? by EBF	Apr 18th, 2008 03:40:43 PM
i think what's crazy is they found her body but tori never had to explain how she found the baby? does tyrol know? is he lying to adama is adama the final cylon? (ha,ha)
I don't know by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 03:46:38 PM
I think it's interesting that Callie says that ever since they got to the nebula, everything's been fracked up. At first glance, you think she's referring to the Chief's behavior, but I don't know. I think showing ______ as very dead might mean something. The producers have never bothered with that before. Maybe ______ is not as dead as they'd like us to think. She ain't in the last supper picture either.
EBF by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 18th, 2008 03:49:07 PM
im assuming that tori could just claim that she found the baby in the airlock control room (or whatever its called) where callie "left" it before killing herself. OR she could have brought it back to tyrol's uarters while he was gone, so tyrol just came back and found it alone.
Unbelievable... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 18th, 2008 04:00:10 PM
I was watching last week's preview and thinking to myself there's no way they're going to do that. Wow, this show has balls.
Don't watch the previews! I know that's a lot to ask, even for by Pennsy	Apr 18th, 2008 04:14:02 PM
But it's something I just find it necessary to avoid. Promo jockeys want to give the store away on some shows when they don't have enough confidence in their product to not spell it out.
My biggest fear is by jae683	Apr 18th, 2008 04:29:56 PM
that they'll find Earth, and it's just a burned out husk, all because of (get this) ... global warming!
i know how this is going to end.- by alice 13	Apr 18th, 2008 04:31:47 PM
they find earth and land on earth and meet earthlings but on this future dystopian earth no one is allowed to hug.
Teaser Promos by secretcylon	Apr 18th, 2008 04:56:52 PM
I have seen 7 out of 10 of them for this season and they are ALL very spoiler heavy. Don't know why they did this. BEWARE.
ALL this 'who is and isn't a Cylon' business by jae683	Apr 18th, 2008 05:08:15 PM
reminds me of that old Dr. Pepper jingle. 'I'm a Cylon, He's a Cylon, She's a Cylon ... wouldn't you like to be a Cylon too.' Bah, now I'll never get that song out of my held.
The season has started extremely strong by Nabster	Apr 18th, 2008 05:15:45 PM
the first two episodes have been fantastic. I think the timeframe of only one season has forced the showrunners to cut all the fat from the story line. Its been very dramatic and compelling, even stronger than Lost so far. spoiler Although I don't understand how the one eyed old man could be a cylon? spoiler His character has known Adama for years. If one was to claim he was planted all those years ago, how could they possibly know he would become a significant player? Especially when you consider the fact his character was a washed out drunk, only to be luckily given a second chance by Adama.
Wnanahara7... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 18th, 2008 05:16:01 PM
Oh I agree, they shouldn't have shown it in the previews, no doubt. Would have made for a much better surprise if they hadn't telegraphed it at all. By balls I was referring to the fact that they did it at all.
re: Teaser Promos by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 05:48:50 PM
Secretcylon, where can I see those?
boomer and Cavell by EBF	Apr 18th, 2008 06:51:24 PM
seemed cheap. but is it a setup for something even more? now Cavell seems to speak of himself and the "voting process" in a very interesting way. Also, what will happen if the Natalies are all dead? We seem to not care because we (spoiler) probably know D'ana will be unboxed.
I watched the final 15 mins on the edge of my seat, jaw on the f by Charlie Murphy	Apr 18th, 2008 09:59:54 PM
what a great fucking episode... so many great scenes, about 3 times I yelled "HOLY FUCK!" at the screen. sweet scene at the start with adama and roslin... that final shot of the corpse will surely give me nightmares. christ almighty this show has kicked my ass 3 out of 3 this year.
Speechless by NudeandAroused	Apr 18th, 2008 10:01:31 PM
Don't mind telling you that I am speechless.
A+ by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:05:47 PM

EVIL all around by Alientoast	Apr 18th, 2008 10:06:14 PM
Cavil lies and tries to kill the Sharons/Sixes/Lebonins. Tori is an evil bitch...this makes the Balter is teh anti-christ even more plausible, since his little shoulder devil seems to have great interest in Tori. Plus look at the previews next week...Tori seems to have some Aryan Race dogma coming on
Baltar got the night off by SWEEP	Apr 18th, 2008 10:06:18 PM
Too busy frakking the twelve disciples. :)
k that blew me away more than Kevin Johnson by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 10:08:41 PM
:-o
poor callie by darlin13	Apr 18th, 2008 10:08:52 PM
like you didnt see THAT coming!?
Nabster, I totally agree by neenerspb	Apr 18th, 2008 10:10:58 PM
I've been telling my husband that I don't understand how they're going to explain the fact that Tigh has been friends with Adama for over 30 years (according to the show) and one would assume that he would have had to have aged. It makes me wonder just how special the final five are. Do they age? Tonight's episode was amazing. Can't wait for next week.
Starbucks crew by SWEEP	Apr 18th, 2008 10:16:44 PM
Seems like she took a lot of major players(would you take a cylon to find earth?), what about Helo and Athena's kid? just another dropped plot point? Is Tori babysitting? and I guess theres not going to be any more space battles(not in the budget) The shows never going to have a satisfactory finish. Kinda just riding it out now
Excellent Episode by bullet3	Apr 18th, 2008 10:17:48 PM
I thought last week was pretty weak, but this was just brilliant. Cally's always been a favorite character of mine, and to see her go like that (I love how they showed being sucked out from her point of view). I'm crushed.
Wanahara7 by neenerspb	Apr 18th, 2008 10:19:16 PM
Yeah, that seems a little off to me too although during the opening of one of the first two episodes this season didn't they show her dancing for him? I thought that was kinda weird too. Now this.
Not true SWEEP by bullet3	Apr 18th, 2008 10:19:37 PM
According to a visual fx technician from the show interviewed on the Galactica Watercooler podcast after the season 4 premiere, there are several space battles still to come.
Ever notice the Cylon Model numbers? by RyanMurray	Apr 18th, 2008 10:21:03 PM
All the basestar Cylons are models 1 - 6, then Boomer is model number 8. The final five are 7, 9-12. I always found it peculiar that they spaced out the model numbers that way, with the 'final five' actually being split up around model number 7. And then having Boomer/Athena/Eight be programmed to never think of those models that followed her. Or any of the models, 1-6 for that matter. And I don't think you can just chalk it up to "us as the viewers being introduced to them that way" because we knew that Boomer was 8 early on, and Cavil is 1, De'anna is 3, etc. So, is the 'final' cylon model #7, and thusly the bridge between the seven we currently know, and the four 'how can they be cylons?' cylons? Or is Tigh model #7, thusly more than likely the oldest and the one that has aged the most? SPOILERS In regards to the ending of tonights episode, I don't think that the slow-pan over Cally's dead body was any sort of hint. If they wanted you to possibly believe that she was the final cylon, then they wouldn't have shown that shot. I don't really think the future editing will be like 'HEY WE SHOWED YOU THAT CAMERA PAN OF HER CORPSE, NOW WE SHOWED YOU SHE'S ALIVE!' because it's not like they can simply return to a single shot of her being dead, and have it be a shock that she's now alive. The shock would be that she was a cylon, not that they showed her body to make us think she's dead.
Love the Cylon on Cylon violence!! by Billyeveryteen	Apr 18th, 2008 10:21:15 PM
However, the Cylon on Human violence is still very painfull..
Excellent episode by Le Vicious Fishus	Apr 18th, 2008 10:40:09 PM
in a so-far excellent season. My only gripe with tonight's ep was the Cylon base-star massacre which everyone (but the sixes and company) surely saw coming from a light year away. How could the skin-jobs who staged last week's coup be naive enough to think that Cavil wasn't going to return the favor with interest at the earliest opportunity?
the garbage scow by EBF	Apr 18th, 2008 10:46:27 PM
that is actually a plot device for lee wouldn't adama have a better ship if he wanted to do a secret mission?
snowpuff by secretcylon	Apr 18th, 2008 11:06:36 PM
I do alot of promo editing for Sci Fi and have done my fair share of battlestar promos. I've seen them at work and there's no real way for you to see them until they come out. I could show them to you but then I'd get in real big trouble and lose alot of work. This season i've edited a few character spots for BSG, they were all single character spots eg Gaius Baltar Pariah or Prophet? etc. Anyway, when I saw the episodic promos I remember being very surprised at how spoilerific they were.
Callie by Strabo	Apr 18th, 2008 11:11:11 PM
Callie now joins the ranks of people like Ellen Tigh, Crashdown, Jammer, Kat, and Billy Keikeya. Formerly semi-prominent characters who have died. It's pretty unlikely that any of them are the final cylon. It's much more likely that it's one of the second tier characters who are still alive. Dualla, Gaeta, Zarek, Racetrack, or Cottle. For the final cylon to be one of the dead characters, since they're not in the cylon fleet, they'd have to be in hiding in the Colonial fleet. That's pretty unlikely. Well, that or they'd have to come back by another means...the ships of light, perhaps. The final possibility is that the final cylon is one of the third tier characters. At that point you're looking at people like Hotdog, the Gunnery Sergeant (I don't even know her name), Seelix, or the medic played by Jamie Bamber's wife. I think it's highly unlikely that it's any of those characters as they'll want to pick a character that the audience picks up on immediately, rather than being left scratching their heads wondering who it could possibly be. Oh, I had a thought about the current cylon civil war. The entire war was brought about by the deadlock in the vote, and the subsequent defection of Boomer from her model. Currently, we have six cylon models active. The resolution of the civil war will be that D'anna is unboxed to return their numbers to seven, such that there can't be a deadlocked vote, with the additional rule that members of a model may no longer cast independent votes.
secretcylon by Ashok0	Apr 18th, 2008 11:16:14 PM
TELL ALL, MATE!!!!
secretcylon by d1138	Apr 18th, 2008 11:18:09 PM
No, you don't.
frak! frak! frakkity-frak! by oisin5199	Apr 18th, 2008 11:22:49 PM
I didn't think they'd go there with the reveal in last week's promo, but damn they did. I wish it hadn't been given away. So does Tori suddenly have Cylon strength? Or was that just a good angle for a punch, because Callie went flying. Talk about a suffering character. I mean she went from being the cute, mousy engineer (almost like Kaylee on Firefly) to getting the crap beat out of her by a delusional Chief, to almost being executed by her own people, to being a miserable, abandoned, suffering mother with post-partem and now this. And that kid's going to be so messed up. And would everyone quit with the 'dropped plot points' complaint? Just because the writers don't get to things on your timetable doesn't mean they've dropped plot points. I'm sure that Athena and Helo's baby has NOT been forgotten, as it's a pretty major part of the series. You can't have every character and every plot point hit every episode. Someone complained about no Zarek. Now we have Zarek. Just be patient, for frak's sake. It's not like this season is dragging so far. Damn! What a set of 3 episodes.
Le Vicious by flickchick85	Apr 18th, 2008 11:28:07 PM
The cylons for the most part, while being excellent schemers, are a young race, and still very naive. The Cavils have always been the most worldly (They are number One, after all) while the Six's and Eight's have often been painted as the most naive/trusting. To me it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't expect Cavil's double-cross. Oh, and I loved this episode. Good riddance, Cally. Glad she didn't take her kid with her. Tory's becoming the most interesting of the Four. Never thought I'd say that. And that superstrength! Something tells me Tory's embracing her Cylon-ness, and when it comes down to the point where she has to pick a side, she's gonna side with the big bad cylons (and not the human-sympathizing cylons). I could be way off there, though.
Questions? - Maybe a spolier in there. by kdoc13	Apr 18th, 2008 11:31:36 PM
OK, Can someone help me out with a few things. Somewhere along the way I think BSG got a little lost. 1.) Ok, there was a big push to have Helo and Athena's baby as this big plot point. Now it's just gone. There is also Nicky now who is a hybrid. WTF? It seems like there are going to be all kinds of little hybrid kids running around if this keeps up, why the big deal over the first one? 2.) Seriously, is there any good explanation for Starbuck coming back, unless she is the final Cylon? This is a show that for sci-fi, has tried to ground itself in a sense of reality. I know, I know, I am asking a lot here. But We've already learned that the Vipers have limited Oxygen supplies, can only go short range, and break pretty easily. So she is crushed due to high gravity, her viper explodes, she is able to find her way back to the fleet after at least three FTL jumps. WTF? Can we just out her as the final cylon and move on? 3.) By the way, why is it that all the worst Cylon haters and members of the resistance are all now Cylons? Does that just seem weak to anyone else, or is it just me? 4.) WTF happened to Boomer? She was one of the Cylons pushing for working with the humans the most, now she's talking about having stronger defense, siding with the group that still wants to wipe out the humans? When did this change happen, is it not a bit sudden? Does it not defy a little logic? Plus Cavil? I'm much better looking than creepy old dude, Boomer, what gives? 5.) So, if you kill off the 6's and 8's (with the exception of Boomer), and they can't download again, doesn't that Frak up the Cylons? I mean, isn't each group supposed to be responsible for some aspect of Cylon functionality? So, if you kill off one group, or two, aren't you like condemning yourself to failure? And what will this mean for naked boomer action in the future? 6.) So, D'Anna get's unboxed. No spoiler there, we all know it's coming. And there are no more 6's 8's and whatever Leobin is. Why would Cavil unbox her at all? Doesn't it seem like this is against what we've seen again? I don't know, I guess there's supposed to be a plan for this season, but so far it just doesn't fit in with the last three seasons.
OK, I was wrong (re: Boomer/Cavil) by GregoryHarbin	Apr 18th, 2008 11:36:07 PM
OK, so Cavil's frakking Boomer. Didn't see that coming. Whoever last week was saying that her dancing was a big deal and I said it wasn't, I was wrong, you were right, k, let's move on. My thoughts: 1. Didn't see the Boomer/Cavil relationship coming AT ALL. 2. So is Natalie dead now? 3. What's up with Starbuck? Is she the fifth F5, then? 4. Why is Athena on the garbage ship? Did she volunteer? Surely Adama would want her with the fleet. 5. Is Lee going to start ANOTHER coup d’état with Apollo--I mean Zarek? Why doesn't he just go ahead and take over the entire fleet. He's got the military behind him. 6. Was Tori working as a Cylon, or as Tori when she took Nicky and airlocked Cally? She was acting really strangely, do you think that was her programming taking over? If so, not good. 7. Finally: CALLY'S DEAD! WHAT THE FRAK. I love love love Nikki Clyne. I can't believe at all that she's dead. The show just won't be the same. 8. Ron Moore said he's finished the podcasts for 403, 404, and this episode, 405. They're in the hands of SciFi.com, so whenever they get finished with the files, we'll get to hear TPTB's explanation for some of the drastic turns this show is taking.
like I said, it's called patience by oisin5199	Apr 18th, 2008 11:42:28 PM
for frak's sake, Helo and Athena's baby is NOT gone!! As it's pretty clear, the Final Five are a different kind of Cylon. We still don't know really what they are, so thinking that Nicky is a hybrid in the same way that the other baby is, is a huge assumption. And dude, you're watching a science fiction program. Obviously, forces are at work with Starbuck beyond what we known now. It's been pretty clear for some time now (especially since New Caprica), that Boomer has embraced her Cylonity and has cut all her ties to humanity. And of course, we don't know what the consequences of the Cylon civil war are yet. It just happened. Just keep watching.
In-Head Callie by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 11:45:39 PM
What I wouldn't give to see Callie show up inside the Chief's head. But I still don't believe we've seen the last of her. Maybe as a dream, maybe as in-head Callie, maybe as the final cylon... I don't know. I think she'll be back!
the other thing about Tori vs. Callie by oisin5199	Apr 18th, 2008 11:49:20 PM
Since Callie already had the inside panel open with the green button lit, everyone's going to assume it was a suicide. Including the Chief. Will Tori tell him? I don't think there was any 'programming' involved (that would be too easy). I think it was simply her being incredibly devious by pretending to help Callie and killing her to keep their secret. Tori's quickly becoming the most dangerous, because it seems like she's turning into something totally amoral. Anders has his irrational love for Starbuck, Tigh has his devotion to duty and Adama, and his (still) undying hatred for the Cylons, Tyrol has (had) his family, while Tori has nothing, besides a half-hearted devotion to Roslin which she'll drop in a second when it suits her. I think without Callie, Tyrol will become more dangerous himself, but I think he'll still have a strong moral center underneath it all.
Maybe she's Count Iblis by snowpuff	Apr 18th, 2008 11:51:06 PM

Whew... by Cobbio	Apr 18th, 2008 11:55:49 PM
Christ, what a badass episode! BSG is a strong 3 for 3 this season. The social climate in both fleets is disintegrating fast, characters are starting to completely lose it, and things are getting dark. I love the fact major characters we've grown to really care about can still be killed off in ugly, ugly ways. Can't wait to see where this is going.
Callie and 8 by frakthetoasters	Apr 19th, 2008 12:10:21 AM
I wonder if Callie was on some kind of post-partum medication? and what was that 8 doing Frenching Dean Stockwell who was covered in Cylon birthing goo? Bring back Xena I mean...3!
rip callie by damnkenyans	Apr 19th, 2008 12:16:00 AM
Well, i for one didn't see this coming. I am also worried about the extremes that Tori is now embracing. What about Tigh? The "I can't stand your faces" line makes me believe that they are all going to get put through the ringer as the eps air. I'm still lost over Apollo's desire to side with Zarek. It seems that he just wants to stir up trouble. Maybe he has insight to the Pres physical situation and wants to prevent the Z man from having too much power when she finally does die. I wonder how this will play in the eps to come...
That look on Anders' face. by gotilk	Apr 19th, 2008 12:17:40 AM
When Starbuck's back is to him was classic.
All TV needs to be like this by br1947	Apr 19th, 2008 12:36:58 AM
ALL TV. Fuck 200 channels to chose from, give me one channel with shows like this and Lost on 24/7, I'll buy anything they advertise!
Oh, and horray for Zarek's return! by br1947	Apr 19th, 2008 12:38:08 AM
Final cylon = original Apollo
answering a few questions... by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 01:21:37 AM
OK, here are some answers for a couple of questions posed above. Hera, Helo and Athena's baby has been a plot point that only makes occasional appearances for quite some time. After her birth, she disappeared until the New Caprica arc. Then she was again absent until the Eye of Jupiter episodes. After that, she was again largely absent until the shared dream sequence between Caprica Six, Roslin, and Athena in 3x19. So, historically, she only really pops up every ten episodes or so anyway. That means her last appearance in 3x19 was only five episodes ago. It hasn't been that long. As I stated earlier in the thread, Ronald D. Moore has stated that the Final Five are not like the other cylons. He said that the fourth season would change our idea of what a cylon is. Search for my earlier post for more info. RDM has also stated unequivocably that Kara is NOT the final cylon, and that the final cylon is NOT present in the BSG Last Supper pic. I really wish people would pay attention to this so that we don't have to keep repeating it. See the Last Supper pic here: http://www.scifi.com/battlesta r/ Boomer's character arc has been very well developed. About as well as Athena's arc. In "Downloaded" Caprica Six and then Galactica Boomer decided to change THE PLAN from annihilating the Colonials to trying to atone for their attempted genocide by acting as a shepherd for the remaining Colonials. The unwarranted, to Boomer anyway, insurrection on New Caprica permanently soured her on humanity. She considers them ungrateful for what the cylons were willing to provide for them. So, no, it's not a bit sudden or illogical. Also, no, the 2s, 6s, and 8s are not dead. Presumably there are more of them on the basestars controlled by the 1s, 4s, and 5s. If not, presumably there are more bodies on the Resurrection Ship that could be woken up to take their place. Also, yes, presumably the Natalie version of Number Six is presumed dead. Finally, I find it funny that someone above complains about there not being any more fleet battles when the episode that aired tonight included one. Talk about a REALLY short-term memory. Oh, half of what I typed above is pretty easy to gather from watching the third season. The DVDs are out there. Hell, torrents are out there. Try watching the show before asking questions with easy answers.
Oh, one more thing, dammit... by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 01:28:11 AM
...a couple of people mention the ships of light above as being in tonight's episode. I've seen the episode twice now, and I don't recall seeing them. If you're talking about the three lights in Kara's memory of the gas giant and comet, those are clearly meant to be the three stars in the ternary system. This is also, by the way, likely the Alpha Centauri system, consisting of two Sol-like stars, Alpha Centauri A and B, and Proxima Centauri, a brown dwarf removed from the immediate interactions of A and B. Proxima Centauri is also the closest star to our own. Also of interest is the fact that astronomers do not believe that gas giant formation would be possible in the Alpha Centauri A/B pairing due to the gravitational interaction between those two stars. So, if the system Kara was shown is in fact Alpha Centauri, the writers are probably wrong about the gas giant.
Teasers? by gotilk	Apr 19th, 2008 01:38:47 AM
Hell, I close my eyes when the drums kick in during the opening sequence.
The writers threw in an easter egg. by Spamster	Apr 19th, 2008 01:45:39 AM
Weapons locker 1701D. Ha, ha, didn't Ronald Moore write for Star Trek the Next Generation? I thought it was a great easter egg.
Also, that Busted Tees advertisement by Spamster	Apr 19th, 2008 01:46:20 AM
Goddamn that chick in those ads is hot!
Weak Streak Continues by wallygogo	Apr 19th, 2008 01:53:13 AM
This season has been sub-par. While Lost's 4th season has stepped up, BSG has remained in the rut of season 3.
Amen gotilk... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 19th, 2008 01:58:03 AM
I turn my head away from the TV when those goddam drums start playing. This is pretty much the only thing I hate about the show.
so the toasters will rebel AGAIN agsinst the newer cylons by Jubba	Apr 19th, 2008 02:02:08 AM
so it looks like the toaster cylons don't like taking orders from the new model cylons. that makes me think that when the toasters rise up against the human-esque cylons, they will realise that they are no different from the humans they tried to destroy and they will kill themselves, getting rid of all cylons just as the humans find earth. thoughts?
Jubba by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 02:05:18 AM
The safe assumption would be that the toasters that had their inhibitors removed were all destroyed in the cylon fleet battle tonight. I think even Natalie realized that they couldn't be controlled without the inhibitors, so I doubt she'd repeat her mistake again.
the cylons are closer to earth than we think by Holodigm	Apr 19th, 2008 03:00:52 AM
go watch the episode again, i believe it's when all the basestars finish their jump (right before getting blown up). look in the bottom left of the screen, and you can CLEARLY see the Orion constellation!
Holodigm by ShiftyEyedDog2	Apr 19th, 2008 03:38:18 AM
The problem with seeing "the Orion Constellation" is that unless you are looking at it from the same angle as from Earth, it would not look the same. Patterns of dots (or stars in this case) in a 3-dimensional environment are all dependent on perspective.
Holodigm by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 04:06:22 AM
Excellent catch! That is clearly the Orion Constellation. Unfortunately, all this tells us is that Earth lies upon the axis formed by a line between the constellation and the camera. Either between the location of the Cylon fleet and the stars of the constellation, or directly behind (antipodean to) the camera's viewpoint. The stars that make up the constellation range from about 250 light years away to 1300 ly distant, so, the closer you get to the constellation, the more distorted the constellation would become due to parallax. The parallax would work both ways too. So, yes, Holodigm is definitely correct. The Cylon fleet is probably pretty damn close to Earth already.
frak me by redfishbluefish	Apr 19th, 2008 06:49:05 AM
that episode was harsh. i'm exhausted. definitely a huge turn of events. i think with this episode they have finally successfully merged the classic "stand alone" episode with 'serialized' events. well done. now back to our regularly scheduled program "Kara Thrace and the Shitmobile- Adventures in Space"
d1138 by secretcylon	Apr 19th, 2008 06:52:45 AM
I don't what?
Tori and stuff by Alientoast	Apr 19th, 2008 06:58:08 AM
"Was Tori working as a Cylon, or as Tori when she took Nicky and airlocked Cally? She was acting really strangely, do you think that was her programming taking over?"...no programming. Tori has the hawts for Tyrol...she was saving her own skin, removing a rival, and creating a situation (single parent) that would allow her to conceivably get closer to Tyrol. As for the Cylons, we can assume that not all the Sixes and Sharons are dead. RDM has said that 3 Cylon models will be perma-killed this season. Since Athena/Boomer/Caprica Six are such integral cylon characters, it doesn't make sense that they will all be killed...especially since Caprica and Athena aren't even within the Cylon fleet and thus would be (largely) immune from the immediate effects of the civil war. This sneak attack will be a setback, but IMO the Cavils will eventually lose since D'Anna gets unboxed.
d1138/Ashok0 by secretcylon	Apr 19th, 2008 07:37:12 AM
There's an episode of DS9 where nog loses his leg from the knee down. In a subsequent episode, he loses himself in song as a way of coping with the trauma. Chief O'brien will have a spirited discussion with Admiral Sisko at Joe's I mean Quark's. Chief O'brien will shake hands with Gull Dukat. I really liked Husker in the Razor flashbacks. It would be cool to see him again.
Lee will be revealed to be the final model by Proevad	Apr 19th, 2008 08:11:34 AM
This has to be where this whole political angle to the show is going. Lee will be the Obama like leader who will unite the two races. (or species?)in this case. But is he fully cylon or a hybrid? Is there such a thing as a full cylon or full human anymore? Remember the add campaign "All" will be revealed? Didn't see the Cally out the airlock scene coming. I actually jumped when Tori attacked her.
They used up their FRAK quotient for the season in this episode by Riley Martin	Apr 19th, 2008 08:43:22 AM
No more FRAK's please. Ever. It's just silly.
Strabo by snowpuff	Apr 19th, 2008 08:54:25 AM
Some of what ya posted is wrong. I believe most of the 2, 6 and 8s are now indeed finished. Not all, but most.
Wow - just wow! by Col. Tigh-Fighter	Apr 19th, 2008 09:23:07 AM
What an episode! This show gets better and darker everytime.
Amazing piece of art - naysayers take schlong in chute by Behemoth	Apr 19th, 2008 09:40:19 AM
People call this episode "slow" or say it didn't "advance the plot" enough??? You are grade A morons. This was an unbelievable piece of television. The shot where Anders is looking up at Kara from beneath the grating...the flashbacks re: Cally, the Cylons betraying each other, the atmosphere of insanity aboard Starbuck's ship...just incredible work on this.
by dj_bollocks	Apr 19th, 2008 09:58:17 AM
ahhh the darkness ! maybe tori's programming is to protect all cylon/human offspring... there are at least 2 now... and does the note signify anything ? it's back in the doorway now ?
Who's a Cylon... by BizarroJerry	Apr 19th, 2008 10:17:32 AM
It's funny how this show has become "Who's a Cylon?" It was never really a plotline I was interested in. I thought fighting them for survival was enough. You gotta give it up to Grace Park for takin' one for the team, kissin' that 70 year old man.
Proevad by jae683	Apr 19th, 2008 10:24:35 AM
the Obama like leader? lololol
A FINAL FIVE FIRST by NoHubris	Apr 19th, 2008 10:28:06 AM
This is the very first time one of Final Five (Tory) does something that is diabolical (i.e. extremely evil and cruel).
Proevad by Manos	Apr 19th, 2008 10:38:31 AM
The Obama-Like leader who unites both races??? Please, the man can't even unite his own party.
snowpuff, Alientoast by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 10:58:59 AM
I just read through the entire spoiler list at Patriot Resource. They don't seem to list anything about any of the cylons being perma-killed/boxed. Do you have a cite for that? Even if that's true, I highly doubt they'd do it this early in the season. Particularly with models as integral as Six and Eight. If they were to kill off three of the existing models, it would likely be the models they use the least. 4, and 5, likely (Simon and Doral). After that, it's a toss-up between 1 and 2 (Cavil and Leoben). Proevad: here it is, one more time for the slow people. THE FINAL CYLON IS NOT PRESENT IN THE LAST SUPPER PICTURE. Got it? Say it with me, one more time. THE FINAL CYLON IS NOT PRESENT IN THE LAST SUPPER PICTURE. What does this mean? LEE IS NOT THE FINAL CYLON. Nor are Roslin, Baltar, Kara, Helo, or Admiral Adama.
my guess how they end it all... by irrelevntelefant	Apr 19th, 2008 11:16:45 AM
they reach earth and discover they are all cylons. roslyn doesn't die and she hooks up with adama. after their first night of love making, they fall peacefully asleep. adama wakes up in what appears to be a strange bed. the room is pastel shades of pink and turquoise, miami sound machine can be heard faintly in the background. a wall calander reads "july 1984" just then tubbs and crockett enter the room - crockett "Castillo, man, someone slipped you some laced Columbian brown. You've been trippin hard for like 3 days now". Jan Hammer music rises as a speed boat races away cut/scene/print
the four by zooch	Apr 19th, 2008 11:26:31 AM
Why is it such a big deal for them to keep their identities a secret? What are they afraid of? Athena is a cylon within the fleet and no one cares anymore.
EAT IT, CALLY! by I Hope You Die	Apr 19th, 2008 11:30:09 AM
Tory is fast becoming my favorite character. Cylon and lovin' it! I don't think she has any programming; finding out she's a Cylon has just unleashed her inner sociopath. She's now free to do whatever she feels like. They're really going to milk this final Cylon thing too. The ominous Gaeta reveal? Zarek manipulating Junior Adama? They're playing to all the fan theories.
Glad I missed this week's promo... by Bill Clay	Apr 19th, 2008 11:32:43 AM
Shit! What a sucker punch when Callie flew out that airlock. I would have been PISSED if I had seen a promo giving away that ending. I agree with the other posters, I'm making a point of avoiding promos for the rest of the season.
Other stuff... by I Hope You Die	Apr 19th, 2008 11:54:52 AM
Do we know that the Cylon basestars were destroyed? They were taking heavy damage but I don't know if they were destroyed. Maybe there's still time for a Centurion uprising to save them. Or something else.
Great Ep... by Lemming	Apr 19th, 2008 12:04:47 PM
1) Lee's quite the bastard when he wants to be isn't he? 2)Tori is clearly sociopathic. All that talk about seeing things differently etc. She's definitely a bad Cylon. 3)Cally getting airlocked was great TV, but felt a bit like injustice. She's never had a break, poor girl. :( 4)Those Vipers stuck on top of the Demetrius look a little awkward to get to if they are in a rush...
Strabo by Shan	Apr 19th, 2008 12:06:16 PM
My sympathies that someone ruined the Season 1 finale for you. That was one of the most shocking surprises I've seen on TV for years, I was totally caught out by that and did not see it coming.
Palewook by Shan	Apr 19th, 2008 12:08:03 PM
I'll take Boomer in the CIC/bridge with the pistol/sidearm.
I wish there was an airlock on LOST. by Ashok0	Apr 19th, 2008 12:09:18 PM
I'd throw Kate in it.
About the constellations, shouldn't that also show when? by Shan	Apr 19th, 2008 12:19:33 PM
After all, the constellations, not only do they exist from a particular point of view (ie Earth - which should also mean in the BSG Universe life started on Earth) but also a particular time frame, as too many years in the past or too many in the future means the star patterns would have changed.
One of the more artfully produced episodes... by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 19th, 2008 12:41:42 PM
I'm surprised how well this episode was directed. Was this by a new director to the show? (I'm too lazy to check.) I'm going to miss Cally. The episode sort of teased early on that she could be the Final Five. But I'm afraid she's not -- there so far is no evidence that any of the Final Five can resurrect. On a superficial note, I always suspected the actress who played Cally looks better without bangs. Nice to see that for her last appearance on the show, she had her bangs grown out.
Shan by Strabo	Apr 19th, 2008 12:44:14 PM
Thanks for your sympathy. The funny part is that I think Herc was the one who posted those spoilers. Oh well. It was still an incredible episode. Quoting from Wikipedia: "The configurations of the constellation Orion roughly formed about 1.5 million years ago, because of relative slow movements of stars within the constellation from earth's perspective (especially the belt of Orion). Orion will remain visible in the night sky for the next 1 to 2 million years, making it one of the longest observable constellations, parallel to the rise of human civilization." So, unfortunately this doesn't tell us much about the time frame of the series.
GODSDAMN. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 19th, 2008 12:44:19 PM
That was intense, dark, moody, and harsh. Compelling episode - one that's indicative of yet another season off to a fantastic start. I'll just echo Hairy Nutsack's words: this show has got balls. Balls the size of boulders. And RDM & Co. just keep finding ways to hit me over the head.
Some Cylon/Human Reproduction Questions by thegimik	Apr 19th, 2008 12:49:05 PM
Maybe this is just a plot hole, I don't know, but I was sitting here thinking about Human/Cylon babies and I don't really have an answer for these quesitons.... 1) If Cylons reporduce with humans would that not mean that the child would be a Cylon clone? Or would the DNA from each species mix to form something unique each and every time? I'll cite the following as an example: Boomer has a girl, Helo has a boy with curly hair no less. We have not seen much of Hera, but when we do, what are the odds that she will be Asian? 2) If the babies do end up looking like their Cylon model would that not rule out the whole all humanity are Cylons argument?
Oh yeah... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 19th, 2008 12:49:41 PM
...my boy Tom Zarek has finally made his return. Get ready because I think he's going to be stepping more to the forefront. And something tells me that Romo Lampkin can't be far behind. RIP Cally. Even though she was a lesser second-tier character, I'm sad to see her go. Such a waste of a perfectly hot little piece of Human/Cylon-mother ass. Her death could equal Tyrol unleashed...
oops by thegimik	Apr 19th, 2008 12:50:42 PM
I meant Galen not Helo
wallygogo by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 19th, 2008 12:56:20 PM
Quote: "This season has been sub-par. While Lost's 4th season has stepped up, BSG has remained in the rut of season 3." I don't know what show you're watching but, thankfully, it's not the same one I've been tuning to.
starbuck by mobydick9	Apr 19th, 2008 12:57:44 PM
the similarities to moby dick please me. starbuck helming her own ship makes her seem (ironically) like ahab, and earth the white whale. if she pulls out three marines to enforce her bidding on the ship i wouldn't be surprised.
How can this TB not be #1? by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 19th, 2008 12:58:11 PM
The G.I. JOE thread is still in the top spot?! Are you kidding me? Come on kids. Post it up. THIS. IS. GALACTICA!!!
Understanding Tory... by I Hope You Die	Apr 19th, 2008 01:26:04 PM
You've been on the run from a superior force for the past several years, thousands of people have died, your home planet was annihilated, and the odds of your survival remain minuscule. You just found out, however, that you're actually on the winning team. You may even be immortal! Maybe, despite your occupation, you were never actually part of the in-crowd and you've just been elevated from one of the rabble to a major player. Wouldn't you embrace your destiny?
prof pop culture regarding your question by gwarwilleatyou	Apr 19th, 2008 01:45:46 PM
Michael Nankin (who I've never heard of) directed the episode. He has done others including Scar, Maelstrom, and the Passage. He did a few American Gothic episodes and one episode of Picket Fences.
gawrwilleatyou re: Nankin by Pennsy	Apr 19th, 2008 02:00:09 PM
Nice screen name, BTW; whenever I think of Gwar, Beavis and Butt-head come to mind. ;) Before this, Nankin directed Maelstrom, The Passage and Scar, so he's been a Starbuck-centric director up until last night.
The 2's, 6's, and 8's by flickchick85	Apr 19th, 2008 02:00:38 PM
We didn't see the end of that ambush, so I don't think they're finished. Maybe some of them (did we see ONE baseship explode?), but I don't think that's the last we've seen of the Six in charge ("Natalie"), because she's been hyped by the promo material as a very important part of the season (and in the Last Supper picture). I don't know how they're gonna survive, but I for one would LOVE to see the centurions come to the rescue.
MNG re:Zarek... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 19th, 2008 02:15:51 PM
I had the opportunity to have dinner with Richard Hatch along with some other fans last November. Among the many things we talked about, he told us we'd be seeing plenty of Tom Zarek this season. The most surprising thing about Mr. Hatch to me was that he is the biggest fan of Galactica I have ever met. His passion for the show really surprised me.
Strabo by Shan	Apr 19th, 2008 02:40:23 PM
I was under the belief that the majority of the zodiac symbols (maybe that's what I should have said, not constellations) only came into alignment as we see them now a few thousand years ago and will move out of their current appearance in a few thousand years. Here's my theory: The only way the Colonials could have gotten the twelve colony symbols to look very much like the zodiac star patterns we can only see from Earth, then life had to have started on Earth, not Kobol in the BSG universe. Someone had to take it from Earth to Kobol, then set up that holographic projection on Kobol, with an appearance of Earth's night sky which they could only have if they'd been there first/before and that the 13th tribe returned to Earth. I'm hoping that when they find Earth, it's in the future and not the past. I think it would be especially poignant to find ancient ruins of cities which are our present day modern ones with recognisable major buildings/structures - pyramids, Statue of Liberty, Eiffel Tower etc. The time frame because of the constellations from the zodiac would peg the show in our (relatively near) future because too far in the past or too late, there would have been no star patterns to see like our present day zodiac. This is assuming the writers are following this logic. After all it's possible in this universe "All along the Watchtower" wasn't written by Bob Dylan, or even that there was a Bob Dylan ...
I think Baltar's cult will kill themselves by happybunni	Apr 19th, 2008 03:01:48 PM
This season is going to be death death death. Suicides, murders, accidents.
Happybuni by snowpuff	Apr 19th, 2008 03:05:41 PM
Good point. That sounds like something that would happen to Baltar.
Resurrection distance... by Hairy Nutsack	Apr 19th, 2008 04:18:35 PM
You know they really did screw that one up. Leoben was too far away from Cylon space to D/L on Ragnar Anchorage. Boomer was WAY farther out into space by the time she got wacked by Cally.
Ain't it Cool Needs to Get it's Facts Straight by kenichi tanaka	Apr 19th, 2008 04:34:47 PM
First off, I don't know where the fuck Aint it Cool News gets their information from but obviously they're sucking someonebody's balls because this isn't the end of the daytime feeds. Secondly, this is perhaps the worst episode I ever seen. Rom Moore has failed with most of the second season, the entire third season and with the exception of the second episode of this current season, this season is starting to suck as well.
By all means kenichi, by mrfan	Apr 19th, 2008 04:48:41 PM
Don't hold back. Share your feelings.
Dirk Benedict is the final cylon... by Banditmania	Apr 19th, 2008 04:53:04 PM
oh yeah.
Kenichi: You thought this was the worst? by Prof. Pop-Cult	Apr 19th, 2008 06:04:07 PM
For real? Actually, I enjoyed this episode as much as the premiere. It was nice to have seen some focus on Cally, even if it was only to kill her off. A part of me kind of still hopes that she could be the Final Cylon. (Cally being the Final would also tie in with Deanna apologizing to the Final.) It could also explain why she wanted to get with Tyrol -- the Final Cylons need to reproduce.
This Season... missed scenes?? by Oldnewbie	Apr 19th, 2008 06:24:31 PM
It does seem as though we've missed some scenes... like why Tyrol and Boomer don't seem to be together, where there chi;d is, and why a quarter of the shows cast is off with Starbuck. I wonder if we are getting edited versions only so that "directors cuts" will be there for us to buy down the road. Dunnno... might be. Also, as to why Tighe has been around so long, its possible he may have been the first model made, just cause he's number whatever now doesn't mean he wasn't an original. The first attempts may have faild and he was the first to succeed... yet still was more human than machine, hence he ages. The other three with him may have also been flawed models... just speculating. And what the frak is wrong with Roselyn, other than her illness? She is setting up what appears to be a judical dictatorship. Was she that pissed off about the Baltar Trial??
kenichi tanaka by optimus122	Apr 19th, 2008 06:26:20 PM
Moronic
a ahole's thoughts... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 19th, 2008 07:11:43 PM
...1. good episode...I like Callee (shes very cute), but I hated her how she went from a scared soldier on Kobul (I think thats theplanet), to bein vivicous and killin Boomer in less than a episode (I think)...2) wit Callee's delusion/flashback, I was sure that we was gonna see that Tyrol wasnt Nickys father...that would put to rest of a 2nd hybrid...3.) not sure who the hell the final cylon is anymore...hopin its someone important-ish...
What's going on with the podcasts? by kuryakin	Apr 19th, 2008 07:15:13 PM
Last one was the Razor writers' meeting. Is RDM not doing them this season? Anyone know what's happening?
Callie IS the final Cylon by Evil_Imp	Apr 19th, 2008 07:18:47 PM
she's not gone for good , she will return http://img462.imageshack.us/i mg462/1428/3pn0.jpg
kenichi tanaka... by adrock303	Apr 19th, 2008 07:19:01 PM
You have to be joking. Listening to you slam this show, clearly the best on tv, makes me think you're either half-retarded or deaf and blind. Best acted, and more importantly best written show on tv right now. I also love Lost, but BSG surpassed it a long time ago. This last episode was awesome. Far from boring. The character development is excellent and necessary. We can only hope the rest of this season is as good as these first 3 episodes.
I think the final cylon will be Roslin. by mrfan	Apr 19th, 2008 07:29:29 PM
I bet she dies of her cancer. Everyone will grieve for her. Very sad episode. Then she will return in her true full glory and explain the plan(s) of the cylons. Everyone will be caught off guard. Also, I really have wondered if they are going the wrong way. I know if I was Adama I would certainly be doing just that. He knows that there might be Cylons aboard the ship. He knows they are being followed. I sure as hell wouldn't want them to be going to earth. Like leaving bread crumbs for the Cylons. Just handing them Earth.
Probably one of the strongest eps yet. And Gotham sucks. by Ashok0	Apr 19th, 2008 07:33:36 PM
Seriously.... gotham_night has to be one of the lamest posters ever.
Tory evil? nothing compared to Colonel Tigh by ulcer	Apr 19th, 2008 08:05:24 PM
Seriously, she's the most evil final 5 according to you? What did she do, save a baby and flush out a woman that was dangerously out-of-control who just almost killed her husband. Please Colonet Tigh created human suicide bombers!! Kill his own wife!! Executed cruely mostly innocent people believed to have conspired with the cylon!! Ect. he has a history!
Wnanahara7: about distance to resurection ship by ulcer	Apr 19th, 2008 08:11:40 PM
there was a whole episode about it. In that episode the cyclon would have died permanently because they were to far away from a resurrection ship. In the episode called "resurection ship", it was also mentionned their purpose is that the cylon home world is too far away for the conciousness to return.
Why is it... by I Hope You Die	Apr 19th, 2008 08:16:43 PM
Whenever somebody says the show has gone to shit they pinpoint some absurdly early point in time? "Oh, it was fine up until Episode 3 of Season 1, I've been disappointed ever since!" Here's a clue: If you think Season 2 and 3 were crap, you probably just don't like the show.
Lightship comin' our way, thanks to Bucky's painting.. by Billyeveryteen	Apr 19th, 2008 09:05:06 PM
Ask Zarek, and his white uniform.
by damnkenyans	Apr 19th, 2008 09:53:00 PM
I love how people keep posting their guesses that are in the "last supper" photo just so Strabo and Wnanahara7 will type in all caps. I know they say that the final cylon is not in the pic, but pleeze - what if they are? Certainly you are not going to simply take their word for it. Six months from now they may be saying "whoops - we lied". SECONDLY - with all the discussion concerning the resurrection ship. What is going to happen to the cylon homeworld in the long-term, regardless of happens to the cylon fleet. Are they warring at home as well?
Boomer resurrected on ... by Shan	Apr 19th, 2008 09:54:40 PM
... a resurrection ship within range of the fleet and was then flown to Caprica. That was my take on things, anyway.

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