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Frist
by Ashok0
Apr 12th, 2008
08:32:56 PM
What the heck is Dr Who.
frits
by iamhagrid
Apr 12th, 2008
08:37:40 PM
you spelt frits wrong
Where are the torrents?
by Kurutteru Yatsu
Apr 12th, 2008
08:41:30 PM
Stop reviewing and start uploading you fucking Brits, I've been checking isohunt and BTjunkie for the past four hours.
Kurutteru Yatsu
by sduggled
Apr 12th, 2008
09:16:44 PM
Sounds like you need a membership to thebox or uknova. Or, mininova has had the torrent up since just before 1pm today.
@Jinky
by RaveX
Apr 12th, 2008
09:22:52 PM
"For the fourth time in four series the second episode is a historical piece that has a seemingly supernatural issue to solve. Is there a particular reason for this? I don’t know but it just seems a bit repetitive and unnecessary."

Actually, 1st season of the new series had the third episode as a historical piece that has a seemingly supernatural issue to solve (Dickens and The Unquiet Dead ). The second episode was The End of the World, which would by definition be the opposite of a historical piece.

And yes, knowing this makes me a nerd, thank you very much. :p

Yeah, torrent has been everywhere for hours
by gotilk
Apr 12th, 2008
09:29:55 PM
Best advice? Get on a private site, somehow. That or Usenet.
I've never seen a Doctor Who episode I didn't like!!!!!
by axcel1
Apr 12th, 2008
09:36:10 PM
And, I hope the Doctor always has his sonic screwdriver right there in his pocket!!!!
Ok, hold on, wait a minute...................
by axcel1
Apr 12th, 2008
09:41:24 PM
I wasn't crazy about the time during the 70s when the Doctor (Jon Pretwee at the time)couldn't use the TARDIS (The first 2 years, I believe.) Sorry, but, The Doctor without the TARDIS didn't do it for me.
Pretty nice little episode
by jccalhoun
Apr 12th, 2008
09:43:16 PM
The Sonic screwdriver only appears once in this one I think. Pretty nice episode. I liked the doctor having the dilemma of saving Pompeii or not. Even Donna's brashness was kind of a nice change from previous New Who companions. No Rose hints this week. Much better story than last week.
too many reviews....but cathaters eat your words....
by earlfist
Apr 12th, 2008
09:48:38 PM
What a spectacular episode. I am not sure if I have ever seen a British show look this...well I can only say expensive. Great non Davies script and I am really liking Donna now. A few minor points. 1. Tennants bad Tony Curtis impersontion again whilst talking about "DA CURSE OF DA TIME LAWDS"(Very similar to "yonder lies da castle of my fadder da califf" for all you real movie fans) 2. The soundtrack just doesn't stop, For gawd sake have some confidence in your story. But the best episode since "blink" (why are the second episoded always so good"tooth and claw" "the shakespear code" and now this...odd) anyone who now slags off Tate now answers to me Cathaters beware. I'm sharper than most.
Is this show actually good?
by Ashok0
Apr 12th, 2008
09:49:51 PM
Or is it typical SCIFI garbage (minus BSG, which is amazing)
dr. who isn't like BSG
by RaveX
Apr 12th, 2008
09:54:46 PM
but it's different kind of amazing.
BSG is like that sophisticated relative
by gotilk
Apr 12th, 2008
10:08:20 PM
.. the one you wanted to be more like when you were a kid. Went to college, remained cool, listened to all the right music but didn't make a big deal about it. Read and kept great books.

Dr Who is like the fun relative, the one you see once a year and doesn't know when to stop or shut up. You can't get enough of this person, and he or she just enjoys the living hell out of life. But wow, what a nerd sometimes. Oh well, still great to be around.
Catheters?
by Noddy93
Apr 12th, 2008
10:08:43 PM
what the fuck do catheters have to do w/ Doctor Wu?
And Stargate is like that other relative...
by gotilk
Apr 12th, 2008
10:09:27 PM
..the one you'd never let babysit the kids. EVER!
Catheters.
by gotilk
Apr 12th, 2008
10:10:50 PM
The Doc is is kinda old, maybe it's hard to pee.
Amazed that people still don't know what Who is
by performingmonkey
Apr 12th, 2008
10:13:54 PM
Just a quick description, it's a family sci-fi show where this guy who calls himself The Doctor travels through time and space with companions helping people out, saving the world from alien threats, that kind of thing. What makes the series so unique is the changing locations every episode. Unlike on something like Galactica where it's mostly the same sets and CG models every week, Doctor Who is changing all the time, except for the Tardis set.
what a strange batch of reviews...
by Mr Willi
Apr 12th, 2008
10:18:28 PM
There wasn't much agreement on anything, except that most liked it. This was a pretty good episode... in fact, probably one of the strongest of the new series. It's funny because as much as some bitch and complain here, even bad Who is better than most television these days.
"So Unique"
by Noddy93
Apr 12th, 2008
10:21:58 PM
how can something be "so unique"? it's either unique or it isn't... unique you cannot quantify not afraid? you will be
as for foreshadowing (spoilers)...
by Mr Willi
Apr 12th, 2008
10:24:09 PM
... we have two episodes this season mentioning that planets have just disappeared. Obliviously the cause is going to be revealed in the finale. And we know it involves Daleks and Davros. We also know that there is something sinister about Donna (which is a major reason her character will only be in one season.) Also know that the Doctor himself will disappear and all his companions, including Rose, will go looking for him. Any one want to start connecting the dots? (and for a final spoiler, cybermen will be in the Xmas special.)
Oh... and yes
by Noddy93
Apr 12th, 2008
10:26:02 PM
the new episode is worth the bandwidth. i finished watching it about half an hour ago and i would recommend the show. Tate is proving to be far less annoying than i expected. perhaps it's due to the welcomed absence of sexual tension between the dr & companion.
Yes, but "Shadow Proclomation" is the series
by James_O'Nasty
Apr 12th, 2008
10:32:15 PM
buzzword, yeah?????
Nope, not Shadow Proclomation
by Mr Willi
Apr 12th, 2008
11:02:56 PM
RTD already has said there is no "buzzword" for the series, but that every episode will foreshadow the finale. He also said that it will have something to do with something the Master said in the last series (concerning the Medusa whatchamacallit)
Catherine Tate is ruining this show
by Strabo
Apr 12th, 2008
11:11:21 PM
I'm sorry. I still can't stand her presence. This episode with either Rose or Martha would have been great. Particularly for the Doctor lore (Timelords intuitively understanding history that's fixed or in flux, and The Doctor making the choice to sacrifice Pompeii to save the rest of the world). Unfortunately, Tate's stench ruins it. I gave up on The Sarah Jane Adventures in mid-season because it was just too juvenile. Tate's presence may well piss me off enough that I stop watching Doctor Who. What the fuck were they thinking bringing her back?
Also, anyone who introduces Doctor Who...
by Strabo
Apr 12th, 2008
11:20:54 PM
...without pointing out that The Doctor is obviously patterned after Sherlock Holmes is missing the point.
Ugh. Fucking Catherine Tate.
by Strabo
Apr 12th, 2008
11:50:32 PM
Why the fuck would The Doctor pick Donna Noble as a Companion anyway? She was strictly an innocent bystander in The Runaway Bride. She's an incurious, unintelligent, uncouth, harpy. She's nothing like any of the other Companions I've ever seen on Doctor Who. She was such a terrible character that they had to mine Sarah Jane for inspiration to bring her back. What a terrible fucking idea. They should have just brought Elisabeth Sladen back as a Companion again.
The Mill? Is that who does the effects?
by gotilk
Apr 13th, 2008
12:14:55 AM
Whoever it is pulled off miracles on this one with a BBC budget. KUDOS! The Rock (Venereals or Vesuvionsters or Volares or Pyromaniacs or whatever they were called) monsters were really top notch and the shots of Pompeii being destroyed were film quality. Really impressive work. Oh, and Catherine Tate is growing on me. So far, it's still kind of like a fungal (not a FUN GAL) type of feeling, but she wasn't bad.
even geekier yet
by griff n dohr
Apr 13th, 2008
12:54:56 AM
caecilius and family were part of an ongoing storyline for o level latin students way back in the 70s. would have been nice though to see the household mutt Cerberus get a part. the texts, if anyone cares, were published by the university of cambridge.
i enjoyed that
by dang2010
Apr 13th, 2008
01:16:46 AM
I really enjoyed at episode. Really, Donna Noble is a great big idiot? I thought her humanity was great, a nice touch. I love how she and the doctor lock heads.
Cathaters or catheters...subtlety really is lost on apes
by earlfist
Apr 13th, 2008
01:19:37 AM
One is a device filled with foul matter that spills out on occasiona, offering nothing good and leaving a foul stench, and the other is a medical tube and bag that collects urine.
I'm sorry, but this was just woeful....
by BiggusDickus
Apr 13th, 2008
02:00:01 AM
That Tate woman has killed this show stone dead. The words 'jump' and 'shark' are running around my brain right now. Can somebody tell me when the Steven Moffat episodes are on, please? Until then, I'll be watching my Galactica box sets over again.
Way Way better episode than Last week!
by mistergreen
Apr 13th, 2008
02:20:32 AM
Very good episode. Hope they keep up the writing and keep Russel Davies away from the typewriter.
The Doctor & Donna Dynamic...
by ZeroCorpse
Apr 13th, 2008
03:01:54 AM
The dynamic between the current pair is like with Colin Baker's Doctor and Peri, but reversed.

In that run, the Doctor was bombastic, loudmouthed, bossy, and cranky half of the time, and Peri was receptive, frequently yelled at, and quick to admit her flaws once pointed out by The Doctor.

In the current series, it's Donna who is bombastic, loudmouthed, bossy and cranky, and the Doctor who is being yelled at, is receptive, and who is quick to admit his own flaws once pointed out by Donna.

It's almost like it's an intentional role-reversal. Donna is essentially the 6th Doctor of Companions.

I like her. NOBODY here can convince me she's worse than Mickey, Mel, or that twat that hung out with the Doctor for two episodes a couple years back, only to be dumped by the Doctor because he couldn't obey orders and tried to exploit alien technology for his own ends. I do believe he's the only companion to be legitimately sacked by the Doctor.

And Mickey was just a toss-face.

That's more like it!
by Shan
Apr 13th, 2008
03:16:54 AM
That was about a million times better than last week. The duelling soothsayers - priceless.
Pompeii, New Orleans of it's day?
by Shan
Apr 13th, 2008
04:02:53 AM
I could be quite wrong about this but I seem to remember reading that Vesuvius was belching smoke for months, maybe even a year and a half. Everyone rich enough to get out did and those who were left either couldn't, wouldn't or thought it would just "blow over".
That should be its, not it's
by Shan
Apr 13th, 2008
04:03:22 AM
I can't believe I did that.
Joss Whedon should SUE!
by Antifanboy
Apr 13th, 2008
05:21:41 AM
How do these Brits think they can get away with this? Odd English guy with a female who has to learn from his great wisdom - they are stealing it all from Buffy! The Doctor is ripping off Giles! The lawsuit is in the post, BBC... I mean, even that concept of having a blue box that is bigger on the inside than on the outside was stolen from Buffy s5 e17! Everyone knows Joss Whedon invented television. Get with the programme. Also: Doctor Who is against Jesus.
budget
by RumpleWho
Apr 13th, 2008
05:39:04 AM
It'd be great if BSG and Who had paypal sites where fans could 'augment' their budgets. Say Who got 500,000 fans to contribute 20 bucks, that's an extra 10M.
Clearly, Antifanboy, your humour would
by Seph_J
Apr 13th, 2008
07:18:37 AM
indeed be funny, if the majority of Americans didn't think this. But unfortunately, most of them are so closed into their own little world (the USA) that anything from outside the boundries of existance, i.e overseas, is unknown. And anything that wasn't made by Americans MUST have been copied from something that WAS made by Americans.

what a laugh.

what a sad country the USA is.

Mark my words...
by DimensionsPlural
Apr 13th, 2008
07:56:07 AM
Said it last week, I'll say it again: series 4 to be the best series yet. Strongest opening 2 episodes since series 1. Donna showed more emotion and yes, acting range in this one ep than Martha did for an entire series.
Dude, where's my TARDIS?
by football
Apr 13th, 2008
08:01:28 AM
Interesting that the writers should address the language/clothes issue but what about ignore how light the TARDIS is. Okay, it's smaller from the outside but what about its weight, especially with all that techno equipment inside? It must be as light as a feather considering anyone can remove it by simply pushing it. Has this been addressed in the past and if so why would the Time Lords invent something that could be so light and easy to steal? The episode was alright, but I didn't like the transportation of 21st century home life into ancient Roman homes. It came across as lazy writing and totally unresearched. That said, I still like Tennant's Doctor no matter how trite some of the episodes might be, like yesterday's.
Too many reviews
by The Handsome 12th Doctor
Apr 13th, 2008
08:35:57 AM
And that's coming from someone who wrote one. I think the reviews are all good however. I like how we all like and dislike different aspects of it. It shows that we're not fanboys automatically praising everything.
loved this episode
by Cedar_Room
Apr 13th, 2008
08:42:14 AM
good god what do you moaners want? This episode had it all - fantastic sets and CGI, a great story, great inserts that flesh out the Doctors mythology, some good comedy and Catherine Tate's enormous cleavage!! Alright i'll admit after ep 1 I was a confirmed Tater, and barring a couple of over-the-top shouty moments I thought she was GREAT this episode, and definitely a refreshing change from the other companions who never stood up to and challenged what the Doctor was doing. For the first time I see potential with her character. Tennant was great as always, I loved the little Latin gags, loved the bits about how a Timelord sees time, loved loved loved the SFX - this was one of the best Who episodes since it's return - maybe ever? And at last, if what everyone else is saying is true about the series arc, I am excited about seeing where this is going and it sounds like it may be asking big questions about the Doctors affect on the universe. Love it.
The Fires! The Fires!
by carefulsilly
Apr 13th, 2008
08:48:15 AM
I was wondering if Steve Lyons was going to get a 'cheers' in the credits, but then it was very different. Thoroughly enjoyable fare and dare I say much better than last week? It felt like a breakneck speed Tom Baker. Loved the foreshadowing - what is destroying all these planets? And what can Donna have on her back. Another reviewer mentioned that Donna is only in this series, but Catherine Tate has signed for the four feature length stories too. Thus she can't be doomed to die. Unless the whole parallel universe story maguffin is true. Steven x
Interesting...
by TroutMaskReplicant
Apr 13th, 2008
09:05:40 AM
I wonder if they could rent out more sets from HBO and such in the future? Like if Deadwood was still going they could have an episode with a wild west theme...Also the budget augmentation idea is good...could do with it.
ZeroCorpse...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 13th, 2008
09:31:35 AM
...Tha twat you refer to was Turlough, and I'd still take him over Catherine bloody Tate! Kill her! Kill the bitch off now!!!
Fires of POMPEII was awesome!
by spud mcspud
Apr 13th, 2008
09:34:12 AM
Yes, even Catherine Tate was tolerable in this - although is it really believable that she wouldn't be freaking out, tied to a sacrificial altar with a mad soothsayer holding a knife above your abdomen?

But any gripe about this episode is a very minor one, because this was the best Who episode ince BLINK. Absolutely fantastic, great plot, some good dialogue, in involving plot, and a dark centre to it revealing how dire the dilemmas facing a Time Lord can actually be. It'll be interesting to see how Donna reacts to these moral dilemmas as the season progresses - but no complaints if they're all as great as this one. Fantastic!

And saying this episode was 'better than last week'...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 13th, 2008
09:36:20 AM
...is like saying crabs are better than the clap.
best ep not written by Moffat.
by lynxpro
Apr 13th, 2008
09:44:54 AM
Seriously, I thought this was the best episode not written by Steven Moffat. I'm surprised nobody mentioned the references to San Fran or The Doctor's father [Ulysses]. I should also mention that as for the one review that said this was the first ep shot in a foreign country with the principle actors; that's only true if narrowing it to NewWho...ClassicWho shot in the Netherlands and Spain...and the TVM shot in Vancouver B.C.
'Rome' references
by supertoyslast
Apr 13th, 2008
10:11:46 AM
I liked how the Doctor first believed that they had arrived in Rome. And I loved how some of the music seemed to be inspired by the music from HBO's 'Rome'. Although there could have been less of it since - as stated in one of the reviews - not every single moment needs to be scored. It shows a remarkable lack of faith in the actors to hold the audience's attention.
1st time i fell asleep during a who episode
by palewook
Apr 13th, 2008
10:43:14 AM
The difference between children's tv and family tv...
by dj_bollocks
Apr 13th, 2008
10:58:36 AM
My problem is the pantomime creeping in... to be fair it's been there in heavy doses for a while.... Last night had bad bouts of pantomime followed by Tennant's one dimension of Time Lord indignation - if he could flesh the stylings and emotions of the troubled Time Lord searching for an answer to relieve his guilt, etc then I'd buy it... I guess when you watch Blink it makes you think about how could it can be when it's not as good as it should be... Family TV yes - tailoring it to the kids - please don't or at least don't try so hard....
I'm sorry but the Tate apologists just don't FUCKING GET IT!!!!!
by Gabba-UK
Apr 13th, 2008
11:01:31 AM
I don't know ANYONE who likes her now or before. I haven't heard rumour of someone who likes her, I don't know anyone who might know someone who possibly likes her etc etc. All this tells me is that I and everyone else I know has considerably better taste than those who do. I don't hate Donna Noble. As a companion to the Doctor, Donna could prove to the best one yet....... but none of that matters because when she's on screen she looks, sounds and acts like Catherine 'FUCKING' Tate!!!!! Those of us that don't like her and we are legion by the way, hate her with the kind of heat, pressure and intensity that nature usually reserves for fucking star creation!!! There are only two things that's keeping me watching. Firstly David Tennent, whos version of the Doctor is second only to Tom Baker. And if the current writers can give him an iconic moment that tops Baker asking Davros if he would like a jelly baby then he WILL be the best Doctor of all. The second is despite Tate being present, she isn't as awful (yet) as Bonnie Langford was playing Mel!! Don't be taking that as a positive however because the difference between them can be measured in the width of a hair on a mosquito's ball sack!! We just don't like Catherine 'FUCKING' Tate, understand?
FAO Gabba-UK
by carefulsilly
Apr 13th, 2008
11:16:06 AM
Hello there, I'm afraid I'm at a loss to understand who you speak for. You seem to use the word 'we' a lot and I'd prefer it if you stated who you speak on behalf of. I for one do not dislike Catherine Tate, nor do I believe that she will bring about the ruination of the show. The closing moments of last night's episode highlighted an extremely human character, played to perfection. I don't quite understand the vitriol aimed at her. What has she done that is so bad? Granted, Donna Noble can be annoying - she's supposed to be - she's the everyman, look at her reaction to things, it's how NORMAL people would react. As to Catherine Tate; I for one think she's bringing something new to the show and she demonstrates a range that is on par with Billie Piper. The character of Rose is what made me fall in love with Doctor Who all over again. In my eyes Russell T Davies made an obsolete show relevant again. That incidentally is a good thing. (I'm afraid it's Martha as a character that I never really warmed to.) Anyhow - nothing persoanl meant by this I'd just like to know what it is that grates on your nerves so much? (And yes she can overact a little - but then she's settling in! Oh and I happen to think Mel is the best audio companion in the Big Finish CD's. But quite right, utterly dreadful on TV.) Steven x
PS
by carefulsilly
Apr 13th, 2008
11:18:17 AM
Am I mental for wanting Paul McGann back? He needs another crack at it. The man is simply amazing. And handsome. And talented. And oh...bring back Paul for a Time War special!
I was a Tater
by Cedar_Room
Apr 13th, 2008
11:20:26 AM
which means Tate hater for the uninitiated - but she was great in that last episode, and definitely shows potential for the rest of the series. Still not won me over totally yet, but how you can slag her off so much after last night's GREAT episode is beyond me.
Carefulsilly vs GabbaUK
by Antifanboy
Apr 13th, 2008
11:31:53 AM
You definitely hit the nail on the head with the Taters always using the pronoun "We", as if they represent this 'silent majority' who hate Catherine Tate. I'm sure fanboys like GabbaUK know plenty of people who hate her - they're the same people who sit around debating the deeper meaning of Ghost Light. I, on the other hand, didn't encounter a single Tater until I came here. Admittedly I don't hang around with many Doctor Who nerds (and I mean nerds, not fans). My sister, for example, is a Catherine Tate fan who watched Doctor Who for the first time when Tate was in the Christmas special, and has watched it ever since. I think the fact that ratings are up on last year, and haven't dipped since last week, proves that Tate isn't going to be the death of Doctor Who after all. Though, by all means, why don't the Taters boycott the show? At least then it will prove they're just a particularly noisy minority who assume everyone else must agree with them, cos, like, they're right, right?
Whats wrong with Tate?
by Gabba-UK
Apr 13th, 2008
11:47:59 AM
Nothing at all. Apart from from being unfunny, unable to act, unless your counting that southern sounding grating harpie persona that she only seems capable of doing. The fact that the total range of facial movement she can express is bulldog licking piss off a nettle and pornstar mouth tape. No matter how well dressed the costume department make her she still looks like a pikey. There is nothing about her worthy of rememberance or momento. She is symbolic of all that is crass and purile in the dumbing down of British tv, in whose company can be assembled the likes of Jeremy Kyle and Trisha. Where the only currency is shock tatics and cheap tricks in the pursuit of headlines and ratings. Where quality and integrety is to be avoided at all cost should it offend and distance the advertising revenue. Apart from all that she's bloody marvelous I'm sure.
Carefulsilly, not mental
by The Handsome 12th Doctor
Apr 13th, 2008
12:11:03 PM
A great many people (myself included) would like to see McGann back. He played a brilliant Doctor, unfortunately stuck in a woeful story. He's done ace work in the audio stories since then.
Come now, Gabba UK
by Antifanboy
Apr 13th, 2008
12:15:34 PM
Doctor Who is a show about a man from another planet who travels in time and space in a spaceship that looks like a kind of old-fashioned telephone booth which is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside and his worst enemy are a bunch of obvious Nazi allegories who look like giant pepperpots. It's not really something you can get pretentious or snobby about. There's a reason they repeat it on BBC3 and not BBC4.
Comparing her to Jeremy Kyle!!!!!
by carefulsilly
Apr 13th, 2008
12:20:10 PM
What? What?????? That doesn't make an ounce of sense, he's a vile, twisted, hideous middle class moron who delights in shouting at people and putting them down because they are unemployed and don't use condoms. The other is an actress who has several awards under her belt; not just for her comedy but also for her work on stage in dramatic roles. You may want to check out her back catalogue to see the utterly amazing performances that she has given. (She showed David Schwimmer a thing or two!) I'm beginning to think there is something to what Dawn French said about funny women. She intimated that men - straight men more often than not - find funny women threatening. Thus the men become defensive as 'comedy' is the male domain. I wonder if it's that? Don't know, but it's strange how Catherine Tate's 'integrity' is being undermined. And to waffle on about her appearance. I mean, why? What for? Why do you regard her as a 'pikey?' I find that quite offensive. And as to her being a symbol of 'crass and purile TV' please explain. I just don't get it. Both her comedies and drama's have not relied on shock tactics and cheap tricks. In what way has this happened? Friends of mine who loathe Doctor Who have tuned in purely to watch her. Thus, the producers really DID know what they were doing. It's almost like Doctor Who fans simply enjoy knocking it because THEY are not creating it. And her... Could it be that you simpy don't fancy her? Tell me it's not that!
My posts are not appearing.
by Smashing
Apr 13th, 2008
12:21:24 PM
Am I censored now?
Paul Fans Unite!!!!!!!!!!!!
by carefulsilly
Apr 13th, 2008
12:23:07 PM
Let's get Paul back then! Can you imagine if he had played it in his natural Liverpudlian with that wrking class swagger? We'd have had Chris Eccleston years before Chris Eccleston! Now, if only they would destroy that wig and costume and bring him back as a time war weary Time Lord in leather. Now I'd watch that. And maybe we could have Sheridan as his companion. (In my dreams.) Sigh...
Right that one works!
by Smashing
Apr 13th, 2008
12:23:50 PM
Excellent episode, Tate is one of the best things about this show now, in less than 2 weeks I simply cannot imagine the show without her, bodes ill for next years Tate-less series. Last nights ep was exciting, educational!, and most of all chock full of things to like, plots for the series arc, funny euro trash family moments and The Doc revealing things about who he is, finally, yay a solid 8/10 from me.
BigusDickus, ZeroCorpse was referring to...
by axcel1
Apr 13th, 2008
12:30:04 PM
Adam, from "Dalek"(2005). In the next episode, "The Long Game", the Doctor caught him stealing tech from the space station they landed on and took him home, he only lasted 2 episodes.
Great episode.
by Sprout
Apr 13th, 2008
12:34:53 PM
One of the finest episodes since the shows return, the best bit was the Rome reference... its not a reference to the HBO/BBC show though, its refering to the first Doctor adventure from 1965!
axcel1
by BiggusDickus
Apr 13th, 2008
12:36:31 PM
Thanks for the correction fella! Although, to be fair, Turlough was a twat too...
And, he did say..............
by axcel1
Apr 13th, 2008
12:38:07 PM
A couple of years, not 20 years, which was when Turlough first appeared.
You are welcome, and.........
by axcel1
Apr 13th, 2008
12:41:05 PM
I totally feel the same way about Turlough, was glad when he left. oh, my last remark wasn't me being a smart ass.
I can't believe you think my dislike for her is based on if I fa
by Gabba-UK
Apr 13th, 2008
12:49:28 PM
I just don't like her. My appreciation of some one is not based on looks, on awards or I might add the views of others. Dawn French is a hell of a sexy woman by the way because she is very funny and smart one, which trumps a size 8 figure and Kate Moss looks every single time. I just find Tate to be irritating, annoying and crass. In the same way I count Kyle, Trisha and to a lesser degree Little Britian, something else whose 'charms' seem to have escaped me. By the way saying Catherine taught David Schwimmer a thing or two is hardly helpful in your cause for defending your position on Tate. After those couple of minutes what else did they do for the day?
Tate is one of the new wave of British 'comics'...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 13th, 2008
01:05:27 PM
...who think that inventing a catchphrase and repeating it ad nauseum is the pinnacle of comedy (see 'Little Britain' for further evidence of the current malaise of humour in this country.) My real beef, though, is not with her, but with 'Donna Noble'. Why RTD chose Donna as the best candidate for a new companion when Carey Mulligan's 'Sally Sparrow' was available, is a feat of casting logic that simply escapes me...
I'll bet...
by TheHichhiker
Apr 13th, 2008
01:07:07 PM
... the "6 months later in Rome" scene is far from being unnecessary. The implication was that he has change something that should not have been changed and it will come back to haunt him later in the season. As for Donna, I think she is a very annoying character but I also think she is a perfect companion for right now to undo some of the damage of this completely moronic move to sexualize the Doctor and his companions. It was kinda cute when it was one companion and it was just a hint, but it since got way out of control. It just makes no sense.
The Hitchhiker
by Antifanboy
Apr 13th, 2008
01:13:05 PM
I agree that they did Martha all wrong, having her fall in love with the Doctor. It never really worked, the whole unrequited love idea. There was just no chemistry. I'm glad it's not just an endless string of young girls falling in love with the Doctor. Having someone older, who doesn't fancy him in the slightest, was a good idea. Donna is a far stronger counterpart than Martha was. Last year felt unbalanced by the Doctor's overwhelming presence.
What did she teach Schwimmer by the way...?
by Gabba-UK
Apr 13th, 2008
02:11:43 PM
How to be unfunny? That would explain Run Fat Boy Run then....

by Seph_J
Apr 13th, 2008
03:00:14 PM
You know how they escaped from those Rockbeasts?
by TomBodet
Apr 13th, 2008
03:04:24 PM
Who were actually just the dreaded plunger wielding Daleks? Why on the First Staircase on the left!!!!!
I would fiddle, shag, lick, touch
by Seph_J
Apr 13th, 2008
03:09:04 PM
bone, shaft, shag, pork, pound, roast, screw, bum, bang, pooch Sally Sparrow.

Which is another way of saying, she is the next companion. Even her character arc in Blink set her up as someone who was primed and ready for companionship. She's a no-bullshit gal, who already had a taste of the weird and the fucking-terrifying world of the Doctor.

Russell T. Davies..... of course, thanks for bringing the show back.... however, what the hell? Why go through all the trouble to do so, and then cast Tate, instead of an perfect, pre-established character, like the brilliant Sally Sparrow?

And in last weeks episode, when Miss Foster-(mother) was speaking at the presentation in the opening scenes, did anyone notice that in her close ups, the words 'Adipose InDUSTries' were cropped in the frame, to reveal the simple word.... DUST.

Is Russell Davies truly hiding this series 'Bad-Wolf' / 'Vote Saxon' 'buzzword' from us? Could it be DUST?.... Or am I the sort of person who sees Venom in the eyes of the Spidey 3 poster, and was it really worth learning Japanese, just so I could read the back of the Cloverfield photographs?

Not sure I'd like to see McGann back as
by Seph_J
Apr 13th, 2008
03:22:43 PM
the ACTUAL doctor... that opportunity was missed. At least, I'd prefer Tennant over him. After Tennant truly chucks it in though, who knows. At least he's tried and tested, and generally liked. However it would be unspeakably cool (and wonderful for continuity) to have substantial (even feature-length) flashbacks to the McGann era Time War, and at least attempt to get some more of McGanns great doctor portrayal. As well as a McGann/Eccleston regeneration scene. Wouldn't that just be great. Would allow Tennant the time to do other things too.

Infact, thats exactly the rumour that I heard a while back... not heard anything since though.

And please... if Davros IS in this series, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't reboot him, or re-model him, or re-style him, or re-imagine him, or any other shit-kicking idea. Davros is Davros. He's great, hes terrifying, hes just fine how he is. Leave him the fuck alone. And you better get that voice right, or I'll find you, Russell.. I will.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but wasn't the last time we saw Davros in 'Remembrance'? Didn't the hand of Omega get sent to Skaro, and destroy it? or something? And didn't Davros escape in a pod? I don't know.. its been a while.

Fanboys hate all female comedians...
by Mr Willi
Apr 13th, 2008
03:28:07 PM
I mean, seriously, has there ever been a female comedian that the fanboys haven't bitched about? It can be Tate, Silverman, Fey, etc... A lot of the anger stems from fanboys' own inadequacy issues with women and being unable to relate to the opposite sex. And no, I'm not being sarcastic. At first, I hated the choice of Tate as well, esp. given I liked Martha Jones so well. But in these first two episodes she has really won me over. All this bitching and moaning about Tate has more to do with the whiners themselves rather than problems with the writing or the character.
When I saw the preview for Fires of Pompeii last week..
by Strabo
Apr 13th, 2008
03:36:26 PM
...I kept hoping that The Doctor would just leave Donna in Pompeii. After all, she is the textbook definition of "plebian", a term whose origins lie in lower class Roman citizens. Oh, and when I use the word "plebian", it is most certainly a pejorative.
nnnnnoooooooo........
by Gabba-UK
Apr 13th, 2008
03:54:35 PM
I just don't like Catherine Tate. Why is it that so difficult to understand. I don't like raw tomatoes, couldn't tell you why I don't. They could've found any actress from anywhere in the world.... they had to pick my least favourite.
Gabba UK
by Antifanboy
Apr 13th, 2008
03:59:55 PM
We know you don't like Catherine Tate, Gabba UK. You've made that perfectly clear. It's that you think your opinion is a fact and everyone else is just wrong to disagree with you that grates.
Maybe if you do not like Tate watching this series is a bad idea
by Smashing
Apr 13th, 2008
04:10:23 PM
She is in every episode so if you ain't a fan of hers your in for a rough year, also new wave of British comedians using catch phrases?, I thought that was what British comedy was, catchphrases, see carry On Fawlty Towers, The Fast Show, Frankie Howard or basically any mainstream UK comedian since the inception of time, Tate is the first woman to become famous from this so maybe its just misogynistic grapes at work?
Tate Apologists
by simhedges
Apr 13th, 2008
05:06:54 PM
Gabba-UK wrote: !I don't know ANYONE who likes her now or before". That's because we haven't been formally introduced as yet.
gotham_night
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 13th, 2008
05:13:55 PM
Go watch The Unquiet Dead, The Empty Child, The Girl in the Fireplace, The Impossible Planet, Human Nature and Blink then come back and say that again.
Ashok0
by kwisatzhaderach
Apr 13th, 2008
05:15:14 PM
Doctor Who is the longest running and best sci-fi show of all time. You've got 740 episodes to check out.
Not watching the show might be a good idea
by axcel1
Apr 13th, 2008
05:39:34 PM
For example, I didn't like Star Trek Enterprise, but, it wasn't the characters I didn't like, it was the show itself. I really like the characters and the actors who portraied them. So, I only watched certain ones, like, the Borg, the Ferngari, the different Klingons, the time travel ones.
The best...
by metaluna
Apr 13th, 2008
06:14:10 PM
...my arse! Only if you like pantomime drama, crappy effects, ham acting and the worst, most unbelievable characters in sci fi. Every time the Dr has a problem, he whips out his bloody sonic screwdriver and gets out of another jam. It's boring! Sure, there are a few decent episodes as previously mentioned, but overall it's for 8 year olds and adults who really should have grown up long before this. I was expecting a lot more from the new incarnation considering the high standard of some shows and modern production techniques, but it's failed. What a waste of time. If it wasn't plonked in the middle of my Saturday tea time when there's jack all else on, would I go out of my way to watch it... nope.
Fuck Sally Sparrow
by El_Barstardo
Apr 13th, 2008
06:36:05 PM
What the fuck was so great about Sally Sparrow? She seemed like a pretty 'standard' lead character in Blink, nothing really unique. So why the hell are so many people so hard up she return as a companion? Because she is hot? I simply don't see what 'Sally Sparrow' would bring to the show as a companion, or where they could go with her. Tate on the other hand is promising to be a great foil for the doctor, the Human face that will stand up to his more murkey side. A companion like her allows the writers to make the doctor himself darker, which is something I say to bring on!
I know man on man "FRIENDSHIP" may sound gross to RTD,
by David Cloverfield
Apr 13th, 2008
06:52:56 PM
Can't the doc have a heterosexual guy pal tagging along? I believe this is a forward thinking show, they should risk it. Since companions are not supposed to be love interests, that would make sense. I know, a companion must be clueless and ineffectual in most situations and that's better suited for females, but there must be ways to work around that. Or have a couple as companions. I don't care. Just stop with the "oooh, Doctor I'Ve suddenly seen something in you I haven't seen before" shit. The last three companions are like they're the same girl with three time lord regenerations. They could do so much more.
only problem i had with this episode....
by Obscura
Apr 13th, 2008
06:55:03 PM
they took those fantastic Rome sets and made them look tiny. i was amazed. I watched Dr Who Confidential afterwards and they were actually shooting on some great big huge vistas, Yet thats to the wonder of BBC film crews, they managed to make it feel like the entire Episode was filmed in a back alley. They don't understand the concept of a wide shot.
I like how companions came and went...
by Bill Clay
Apr 13th, 2008
07:40:15 PM
...in the old Who. None of this 'all series long' stuff. Companions came and left mid-series, and you were never sure which adventure would be their last. And new companions were picked up at the drop of a hat! The Tardis looked like a hostel at times! ;) For the most part, the new Who has kept us to one companion each series. We need more team work!
For football a few words on the TARDIS....
by Kelvington
Apr 13th, 2008
10:02:00 PM
First I would love to know how to paragraph breaks here, like I see in some of the other posts. But on to the TARDIS. And this goes WAY, WAY back to the 70's, the police box, bit you see is just a portal. The inside of the TARDIS is NOT in the same place as the outside (police box bit) of the TARDIS. So it doesn't weigh much since infact all the "equipment" you see inside the TARDIS, is somewhere else in the universe. In better days (meaning bigger budgets) we actually saw OTHER rooms of the TARDIS, including bedrooms, a swimming pool, and disco.. OK so we never saw a disco, but you get the idea. Which is why it was such very bad form for the inside of the TARDIS to be damaged when the Titanic hit it. RUBBISH, shields up foolishness. The inside is not in the same place as the outside, that's why the box only weighs what a police box does, and just for the record, sometimes it floats, and sometimes it sinks. Hope this helps.
paragraph breaks...
by Bill Clay
Apr 13th, 2008
10:08:37 PM
< P > remove the spaces

like this

Why the doctor needs a companion
by Dreamfasting
Apr 13th, 2008
11:16:50 PM
Another fun episode that overlays layers of comedy, quasi-serious drama and comic book adventure. I thought this episode does a really good job of examining the idea that the Doctor needs a companion to be different from other time lords. The time lords in general are always described as passive, non-involved, and one gets the impression from this story that the Doctor would drift back to being that way too, were it not for having a human egging him on. I loved the snappy geekiness of the first half, but given how often over the series the Doctor protests that he can't do anything about Gallifrey I can't help but feel the series struggling and straining against the pressure to hit the comic book reset button and bring it back. I can't see how they can resist the pressure much longer, which is sad because it's one of the few "consequences" the show has managed to have.
tight bod
by dang2010
Apr 13th, 2008
11:23:16 PM
I wonder how many of these Taters hate her because she doesn't have a tight little body, like Rose and Martha. I personally have gotten into the show because of her, I liked Runaway Bride that much. Of course, that was my first exposure to her. I have a feeling there's going to be a tragic end for Donna Noble, though. Or if there is, the doctor will go back and save her, and break the rules. Are the ratings up for this in the UK?
Far from starting a flame war about the TARDIS...
by Kelvington
Apr 13th, 2008
11:50:03 PM
Thanks for the paragraph info by the way.

The TARDIS is NOT a hologram or a hologram generator, although it DOES have a holographic generator which has been used to generate a hologram of the Doctor in the new series. The exterior can change but is REAL and not a projection. According to the "Operating Theory" of the TARDIS (Google it) they say...

The main doorway between the outside and inside is a natural portal existing between the interior and exterior worlds, maintained by the dimensional integrator circuitry. The only way the interior of the ship could be destroyed is by exposure to a very large blast of energy; this could be caused by a very serious disruption in the fabric of space-time, for example, two TARDISes colliding during flight.

Now I'm old, but I clearly remember them talking about the TARDIS interior is NOT in the same place as the exterior. That's why the police box can be lifted and moved about. When it looked like an Organ, it was no heavier than an actual organ. When the Master's TARDIS looked like a column it could be moved about, etc. And while this series of shows has been too cheap, or too pressed on time to show other rooms of the TARDIS (except when picking out outfits) It's wicked huge and is somewhere else.

Why would you move a big huge ship around when you could just move the portal, or words to that effect have been said in the past.

FLAME ON!

David Cloverfield said:
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
01:30:01 AM
"a companion must be clueless and ineffectual in most situations and that's better suited for females"

and I laughed because it's true.

A McGann 'Time War' interlude...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
02:20:06 AM
would just about be the perfect interlude for next year (or the year after) when Tennent goes off to do Hamlet.

And Seph_J's idea of an Eccleston regenteration as the final shot has given me a boner...

Come on RTD, let's be 'avin some!

That should read 'regeneration', btw...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
02:21:39 AM
D'oh! Darned wireless keyboard keeps getting all the mucking words fuddled...
Catherine FUCKING Tate
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
03:45:17 AM
I'm sorry but even the most moving scene of last Saturday's episode was ruined by That Woman shouting "GOooooooooWWWWWaaAAA BBBBBACKKKK NNNAAAAAAaaaaaRRRRRRR!" which fucking belongs on Eastenders or 'sumfing'.I hate her brand of acting.But I freely admit this episode was better than that rubbish fat baby episode.Fuck people saying how cute the Adipose were.This is Doctor who.Monsters should be frightening.Period.I liked the Ood so am hoping for next week.But sadly I'm missing my normal weekend erection whenever I see martha and her wonderful arse.
Martha's Arse.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
03:52:36 AM
I want it served with a side order of whipped cream and lashings of baby oil.God,I miss good ol' fashioned english arse.China is the land of 'no-arse'.Just plain flat.It aint the land of tit either.I'd happily fuck Billie Piper but I wouldn't be able to get it out of my head that that ginger twat Chris Evans had been up it.Euururrrggghh.I'dd keep hearing his voice in my head.I get the sneaking suspicion that Billie would be one of those birds that are post-cum hideous.You know,the ones that the moment after shooting your load you look at her and think "UUGgghhhh."essentially the same feeling you get when you look at Catherine FUCKING Tate at any time of the day or night."UUGgghhh."
Martha's Arse.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
03:52:50 AM
I want it served with a side order of whipped cream and lashings of baby oil.God,I miss good ol' fashioned english arse.China is the land of 'no-arse'.Just plain flat.It aint the land of tit either.I'd happily fuck Billie Piper but I wouldn't be able to get it out of my head that that ginger twat Chris Evans had been up it.Euururrrggghh.I'dd keep hearing his voice in my head.I get the sneaking suspicion that Billie would be one of those birds that are post-cum hideous.You know,the ones that the moment after shooting your load you look at her and think "UUGgghhhh."essentially the same feeling you get when you look at Catherine FUCKING Tate at any time of the day or night."UUGgghhh."
Priapic,
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
04:03:52 AM
Doctor Who isn't really appreciated by the Chinese female demographic either... as I've discovered. How about you?
I think I've learned a lot from Dr. Who. See an alien threat:
by David Cloverfield
Apr 14th, 2008
04:10:27 AM
I should 1. Ask where it came from. 2. Run around. 3. Point Sonic Screwdriver at it. It's not that hard to be a timelord.

by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
04:16:31 AM
I disagree about the Chinese ass point..... Chinese girls do have ass..... but no tit.
Seph,uh huh.You're right.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
04:23:20 AM
Dude,I have tried but the time travelling aspect seems too difficult to comprehend for her/them.Origanlly I thought she was interested as she looked genuinely enthralled but then became frightened of the Daleks and hates the sound(the Who 'scream') at the end of the episodes.I've yet to use Who in a class as I .....just haven't.But I did use Star Trek:Next Gen episode "darmok" to explain metaphor.Terrifying to realise at the beginning that Trek and the idea of transporting were totally unheard of here.But by the end of the lesson I had students walking out saying "Darmok and Jihlad on the ocean".Strange.Similarly I have started to become accustomed to refering to Chinese as 'yellow'.It's been three years but I finally become comfortable with it mainly due to the constant eiteration by Chinese people that they are in fact yellow! God,I miss Martha.I had to get incredibly drunk on shoddy Chinese 'beer' last night in order to watch the good Doctor.My head hurts.I demand Martha Jones:naked,washed and ripe for impregnation.
Yeh, I find the yellow thing weird too...
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
04:30:28 AM
... wouldn't have thought it myself.

Download some old Twilight Zone episodes... they are always good for the classes. Scary, but not too scary. My kids love em.

My little chinky lady thinks Doctor Who is silly, because she doesn't understand it....but she loves Fresh Prince of Bel Air, and she also loves Spielberg's Amazing Stories.

Whats with the Marta Love? To be honest, I'm fairly young, but I'd still choose Sarah Jane over any of the new companions....

Sally Sparrow would be the best though...

Oh yeh... and she hates things which
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
04:33:46 AM
are 'disgusting'... for example the real Dalek (i.e the organism inside the travel-machine), and she HATES the Oood. 'some disgusting face' she calls it. so sweet. and fucking annoying.

So how do YOU keep up with the DW episodes then? Where do you get them?

Companions/Consorts.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
04:44:35 AM
Hmm.Yup,in the day i fancied sarah jane but generally never thought of the girls in Who as 'sexual' but ...my,god... I ran across an interview with the chick that played Perry on YouTube.Holy Christ she's hot! My Martha love comes from a lack of seeing her fun bags bounce about every week thanks to RTD insistance on making the main actors ALWAYS run towards camera every week.I should say that it looks like the spoilers in The Zone on DW4 are pretty legit as the last episodes remarks about something on Donna's back prove............Hmm,Sally Sparrow?Yes indeed.Just to think of this season with her instead of THAT woman makes me sad..............China anecdote:yesterday I played the Simon Cowell part in a TV English speaking contest and one student actually got so nervous that she started spouting all sorts of stuff such as "The Chinese...made a mistake.....Tibet...The Chinese...made a ...mistake." Cue gasps. "Thankyou student number 13" No applause.She's probably now..ahem...'missing'."My daughter?Where is she?What daughter?"
Liked it
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
04:54:38 AM
except the pyro-thingies looked like a final fantasy boss- but aside from that...
You Tube.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
04:56:41 AM
Thankfully some very charitable people put the new episodes on line really quickly and I can get to watch them Sunday night as I work all day Sunday.Did it all last season too.That is to say as long as the Chinese 'Government'(read:Big Brother) doesn't block the fucking thing again.God knows what I'd do without YouTube sometimes.....I might try Twilight Zone on your rec.Original Trek and some Next Gen wor(my Aussie mate's China doll loves Next gen) but my girl seems happy enough with that godfuckingawful Koren soap called Happy families.I watch it and I want to kill people.When I first got here I worked with an old guy who used to shout at peiople in the streets and call them peasants!I hope never to be that bitter about the Chinese but by God they can make you hate 'em.In that competition yesterday my Chinese co-judge was one of those wankers that ACTUALLy think that using long words make them sound inteelectual.Gilded turd.Must admit though,Chinese girls look like absolute angels when sleeping.It's only when they open their mouths and speak that they ruin the image.I'd happily burn Hello Kitty's everywhere.Who will never catch on here as it's too complicated for 'them'.Yeah,the Ood was a wallpaper on my laptop but I had to remove it as she hated it(fair enough really) but holy shit she fucking HATES Heath Ledger as the Joker.
Big_Bubbaloola
by Big_Bubbaloola
Apr 14th, 2008
05:15:34 AM
Just testing this paragraph break thing out.

Let's see....

Big_Bubbaloola
by Big_Bubbaloola
Apr 14th, 2008
05:16:10 AM
Woo hoo it works

See!!!

and on Catherine FUCKING Tate
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
05:40:23 AM
to give her her sunday name-

I can't stand her "comedy". I think she's about as funny as a tax demand. To make matters worse I despised the Runaway Dog, and was less than thrilled at last week's effort.

However, this week- with a couple of notable estuary english screaches aside- she was a vast improvement on the previous week.

It seems strange that my most dreaded thing about the new series has got better by the week.

And it isn't because I'm intimidated by funny women. Where did this bollocks come from?

Chinese ladies
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
05:49:21 AM
have been shaped and carved by this dump of a country. MATERIALISTIC just doesn't cover it. And IGNORANT is also an understatement. But like we talked about before.. the old "its not their fault" line isn't any consolation to those of use who have to live with it everyday.

But hey, we chose to stay...

I

I am gulty of
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
06:09:31 AM
the occasional shouting in the streets... but its usually for a good reason. And shouting 'peasants' is just wrong. Hows your putonghua by the way?
Can't add anything to that,Seph_J.
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
06:14:00 AM
The materialistic nature is truly shocking,to a point where it is overpowering.'It's the thought that counts' doesn't mean aything here.But.....you're right,we can always leave.I generally likeit here BECAUSE of its differences.Fascinating and equally depressing.I guess you heard all about the Edison Chen Sex Scandal?Christ,the two-facedness of it all.Everyone is fucking someone here,but the Chinese have to come out and make hime out as a bad boy and the girls as sluts.Sometimes I think about raising the topic of Tibet and/or something arguably challenging to discuss in a conversation class but then.....I just sigh and give up and end up talking about idiomatic expressions or something regular.Never challenge the Chinese(they can't handle it).China Anecdote 2:When I first came to Wuxi I took an English Corner(discussion)class and did it on time travel(i.e. Who would you like to meet?Where would you go?etc.,general 2nd conditional stuff) and one student refused to entertain the idea.'I wouldn't use it(the time machine)'!!He then followed me to my office complaining about/asking me why I was teaching this as it was for children.'I don't need to learn about this.I'm an ENGINEER!'The idiot kept coming back for more though.Kept picking his nose throughout lessons too.............Anyway,I am going to try Doctor Who in a class but the new series doesn't lend itself too well to being taught here.Can't think of an angle.Hmmm.................... ................I'll give Catherine FUCKING Tate one thing....one thing...one thing ONLY , EVER...she is certainly better than Kyle Minogue was in that Christmas abortion.DEAR GOD....Fuckable-but sadly too botoxed now.Simply cannot act.Fundamentally incapable.Terrible.
The Chinese believe they have got it all
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
06:23:07 AM
sussed out. Like they are way ahead of us. The government has got there before most of us. I actively TRY to discuss controversial things, but I find whatever I say, theres always some textbook CCP-taught reply that i'll get.

I personally like explaining to people that the CCP is just like a big company, trying to be successful, and make as much money for its shareholders as possible. The fair treatment and rights of the people of China isn't priority. And then they say "yeh, you would think that, your foreign - and we've been told thats the sort of thing you believe.. because YOUR Government doesn't like China, so its lies about the CCP".

At which point its very VERY hard to attempt to dissuade people from that idea.

I have taught a number of Chinese the word 'Motive' recently. As in... "what MOTIVE does the Goverment have for lying to you... many. What motive do I have for lying to you... none... Think about that"

Seems to have made a few people question the government.

If you are even looking for a headache, pick a random person, and try to convince them that Li HongZhi is NOT the son of satan.... trust me, it'll do your head in. Then try to get them to BELIEVE that he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize!! They will laugh at you.

Likewise with the Dalai Lama. If you can get ONE person to believe that 1) he isn't a terrorist, and 2) he WON a nobel peace prize... I'll send you 100 yuan in the post!

hang in there buddy

And another thing, try this on your lady...
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
06:28:53 AM
... she if she can distinguish between CHINA (the 5,000 year old civilizationg) and the CCP (the 50 year old commie government).

In most peoples minds, they are one and the same. Slag the CCP off, and they take it personally. I have spent DAYS of my life trying to seperate these two entities in the minds of the people around me. Trying to make them understand that EVERYTHING CAN'T BE PERFECT. THERE MUST BE PROBLEMS. Why cant you admit that, then deal with the problems... and then become a GENUINELY great country. Rather then denying everything bad about the place.

God its good to get this off my chest. Especially in a DR WHO talkback.

Err, I suppose I better say something about Dr Who. Err... wow, so... err.. Captain Jack is the face of Boe... Think that'll be dealt with at any point?

Generally,I liken it to being....
by The True Priapic
Apr 14th, 2008
06:30:51 AM
..a black football player in late '70 s England.I am consistantly referred to as a monkey.Goddammit I'm going to the pub.
Can I ask a small favour of RTD
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
06:59:53 AM
and no appearance by Captain Jack in this series. I'm piss bored of him, and it looks like he keeps being in it because the beeb beieves that he is some sort of sex symbol.

Whatever floats your boat, but I'm just bored of the character.

Kudos to football...
by Hagakure
Apr 14th, 2008
07:57:15 AM
...for pointing out how easily movable the Tardis is. I have often wondered why something so valuable didn't have a better security system in place. And just like the Sonic Screwdriver, the Tardis is rapidly becoming something just to move the plot along when it gets stuck. Granted, the chameleon circuit is 'stuck', but didn't the season 3 finale pretty much establish the abilities of the 'perception filter'? By the show's own admission, Jack, Martha and The Doctor wore a piece of the Tardis around there neck and were basically invisible. Don't get me wrong, I love Doctor Who, but screwing with the continuity can mess with your head.
China isn't the only country where....
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
08:32:12 AM
...huge swathes of the populace blindly believe whatever the ruling classes tell them. WMD anyone?

Oh, and yonder Priapic fellow - agree re: Peri, the assis-tit-ant from way back. Hubba hubba.

And Tegan, too. Brassy Aussie birds with big norks - gotta love 'em.

cathaters give themselves away
by earlfist
Apr 14th, 2008
08:54:52 AM
Think about this, at one point some dumb fan boy tries to defend his dislike of Ms. Tate by saying how much he fancies Dawn French. You just do not get it do you. A womans appeal is not just based on whether she is suitable mastorbatory fodder for a woman hating eternal virgin like yourself. Ms Tate is merely a very good actor playing an irritating but worthy character. Mysogonistic views you have give us genuine fan boys a very bad image. Please do us all a favour less comment!
That wasn't me
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
09:01:12 AM
I don't like her screeching and I would be prepared to give her a pass for it if it wasn't the fact that it is pretty much all she does all the time. This isn't misogynistic
And I REALLY don't want to fuck Dawn French
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
09:02:41 AM
what a horrid idea.

Bet she's never short of a jar of mayonnaise.

Disappearing Planets
by DoctorWhat
Apr 14th, 2008
10:00:03 AM
I too noticed the references in both this episode and last week's episode to disappearing/lost plants. I assumed that the disappearances probably had to do with the Sontarans (or maybe the Rutans, their sworn enemies). I hadn't heard the Daleks/Davros rumor. Interesting... If the Adiposian Seed World disappeared in the present day, though, and the Pyrovile's planet went missing at the time of Pompeii, then I'm not sure how that equates. The Daleks do have time travel capabilities, though, don't they? www.doctorwhatus.blogspot.com
I H8 T8
by NoahTall
Apr 14th, 2008
10:07:27 AM
And that pretty much sums up my feelings.
Text Speak is all Tate is worth
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
10:09:45 AM
otherwise it should be outlawed from Takback.
hmm, when I say "give her a pass for it"
by Lost Jarv
Apr 14th, 2008
10:10:35 AM
I mean that it is down to the character and not her.

I was sort of hoping that the cult-women were going to chop that growth on her face off that has been bugging me.

Lack of male companions (or sidkicks) in
by CrichtonAstronut
Apr 14th, 2008
10:23:13 AM
Doctor Who can't really be blamed on RTD. They've never really lasted in the original series. When theym were around at all it was in addition to a female companion, not as a substitute. And with the exception of Jack and maybe Ian, and K-9 if you count masculine voiced robot dogs, weren't given much to do and basically served to make the doctor and the female companion look smarter and more capable by comparison. See Mickey Smith and Harry Sullivan. yeah, they get a few moments, but it's the Doctor's show, and basically the tag along guy tends to distract from that. For some reason, probably sexist, the women can be a proactive as and capable as Leela or the Romanas and still not threaten the Doctor's lead status. Of course in Ian's time and to some extent Troughton's (Jamie had some good moments), the Doctor was more wise old man or just the brains leaving the heavy lifting to he resident male. It wasn't til Pertwee's time that the Doctor fully embraced the action hero and the males got a little farther in the background, Leathbridge Stewart and his men weren't exactly companions in the traditonal sense. In fact Stewart liked to think of himself as the Doctor's boss, not that the Doctor was fooled, or Stewart in the end.
I love the Catherine Tate show
by CrichtonAstronut
Apr 14th, 2008
10:45:17 AM
And it appears she's showing a lot of range here. I love female comedians in general, but in a show that's meant to balance humor and life and death tension and drama, you gotta wonder how two comedic actors are going to work as the only two regulars. I think that was the potential many, myself included, saw in Sally Sparrow, someone who could really play up how scary and sad all these situations re from a human perspective. Martha and Rose certainly brought that. Where's the contrast. Actually, the most hopeful thing I've heard is that Donna "has room to change abd grow up." The other thing about Martha and Rose, was that they brought youth and sense of youthful wonder to the Doctor's world. Donna came off last year as a bit older and a little more jaded. She seemed to struggle more with unlearning what she thought the world was than in embracing the new. If that's changed I'm all for Donna.
CrichtonAstronut, I'm just saying
by David Cloverfield
Apr 14th, 2008
10:47:29 AM
that with NuWho, the buddy cop dynamic could work, with the right character. Why not make him a messed up teenager or a science fiction writer or something. That's gotta be more interesting than 4th clueless London chick melting from the Doctors awesomeness.
Yes but biggus dickus, no-one really
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
11:00:51 AM
believed there were WMD. Thats why everyone collectively said NO to war. And thats why BUSH decided to just do it anyway.
Could work. Like the apprentice, teacher angle.
by CrichtonAstronut
Apr 14th, 2008
11:27:38 AM
Tennat's Smith and that kid in Family of Bood had a good report. Though I might go for more a thirty or forty year old who wants a bit of wonder in his life. Or some tough cop, military guy opposite to the Doctor on the surface, who's really a geek at heart. If only because, with all the armchair psycology Doctor Who gets, you know there'll be some talk if he starts spending all his time with a teenage boy or even a twenty year old. Probably should be no younger than thirty, to quiet the gossips.
What about a male companion who...
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
11:34:56 AM
was an openly, and violently homophobic alcoholic, and everytime the Doctor smiled at him, he fucking right hooks him in the jaw. He would have to deal with no alcohol whilst travelling around the galaxy, and all the problems that would bring, and what tension would we have when Captain Jasck turns up and starts wiggling his ass, like he does. You'd get lines like:

"I ain't playing doctors and nurses with you, you fucking queer", and "Sonic fucking screwdriver? Bet you use that when you get lonely, you raging bum-boy".

Of course I love Doctor Who, but at least this would put an end to RTD over-homo-izing my beloved Dr Who.

Try as I might I still can't quite see Doctor Who as
by CrichtonAstronut
Apr 14th, 2008
11:46:00 AM
a gay romp. For one thing too many hot chicks keep showing up. Martha, Rose, Sparrow, the Voyage chick, hell Donna aint ugly. I can see someone going there in Torchwood, but not Doctor Who or the Sarah Jane Adventures.
Its more subtle than that though...
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
12:00:03 PM
I mean, who listens to Billie Piper music? 10 yr old girls AND gay men.... the same with Kylie Minogue. And YES DONNA IS UGLY. She is about as manly as a woman gets. I'm sure if RTD closes his eyes, he could convince himself that he was bedding a guy... with a womans curves.

The whole program is now camp.... and it never used to be... at least, not intentionally. Now its INTENTIONAL as all hell, and it shows.

The irony is, on C4 many years ago, there used to be a sketch show featuring the 'GAY-DALEKS'... where they used to run round shouting 'EX-SPERM-INATE'!

I used to laugh.

But hell, i'll take a 'slightly-gay-yet-not-always-i n-a-subtle-way' doctor who over NO doctor who.

Vanishing Planets = Buffy Stabbing Angel
by Hagakure
Apr 14th, 2008
12:06:18 PM
Isn't one of the last things The Doctor told Rose is that they could never see each other again because to open that portal (again) would cause two universes (universi?) to collapse? This could be the possible season arc. With this season looking like The Doctor dealing with heavy choices, I can see them going for the finale where The Doctor, despite his feelings, intentionally sending Rose back to the other world to save a billion people. (Not sure if the producers are willing to have The Doctor's actions lead to Rose's death, but who knows.) From all of the message boards, everyone loved the tragic ending when The Doctor and Rose said goodbye. The only thing that could make that better is for an even bigger tragic ending.
Victor Lewis Smith! Gay Daleks!
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
12:20:59 PM
Brilliant! Well remembered, fella! http://www.sidereel.com/TV_Off al_-_Victor_Lewis_Smith/_watch linkviewer/17
"White Wee Wee!"
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
12:23:28 PM
Funny, I'm a newcomer to Dr. Who
by David Cloverfield
Apr 14th, 2008
01:08:32 PM
and I can't imagine it without the gayness anymore. That's what makes it unique. I mean The Master lip syncing Scissor sisters. Yeah, no weirdness there. But Doctor Who is quirky and gay and yet somehow has the best special effects I can see on TV. (Yeah I know, BSG can show th same spaceship more realistically every week, but for Doctor Who they create so many great backgrounds and good looking characters, and they're differentevery week). The first season had Rose's empowerment (we all know female empowerment is gay. Just look at Buffy.) the second had the platonic love between the Doc and Rose (yeah, like you wouldn't nail Billy Piper. GAY!) and then the infamous Master/Doctor televised slashfic (the gayest thing yet). Doctor Who is gay. Not in characters but in themes (and characters) and I find it amusing. I wouldn't mind seeing a different approach after RTD, however. And weirdly I think a male companion would end the gayness. Yeah, I know. It's a paradox.
Tardis translation
by NakedYossarian
Apr 14th, 2008
01:23:12 PM
The first review states that if you speak in the language that the TARDIS is translating to, nobody will understand you. I don't think that's the case, I think it just translates back to your native language - English for Donna, which may sound "Celtic" to Romans who don't speak English. Seemed like a neat trick.
Doctor Dan: "first time principle actors have actually filmed ou
by Mockingbird Girl
Apr 14th, 2008
01:29:42 PM
Not even close. "City of Death" - Tom Baker and Lalla Ward in Paris, 1979.
Hmmm, buggered that up
by Mockingbird Girl
Apr 14th, 2008
01:31:16 PM
But obviously, it's not even CLOSE to being the first time principal actors of DW have filmed outside the UK. In fact, you're nearly 30 years behind the curve!
Gay Dalek link no workee! My bad. Try this one...
by BiggusDickus
Apr 14th, 2008
01:33:23 PM
http://tinyurl.com/62zbde
Catherine Tate should take this quarter
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
03:21:26 PM
Go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off her face!!!
Once again with the political correctness...
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
03:37:33 PM
You don't have to be a misongynist who hates all female comedians in order to find Catherine FUCKING Tate grating, any more than you have to be a homophobe in order to hate RTD's frustratingly inconsistent style of writing.

Isn't it odd that it seems to be the navel-contemplating liberal intellectuallists - the very ones straining to be seen as smart, open-minded, and absolutely dedicated to pursuing the ruthless forcing of political correctness upon EVERYONE whether they want it or not - who keep coming up with this absolute fucking bollocks? How do you freaks even KNOW that a Tater, by extension, hates every other female comedian? How does RTD, in the interview in last month's SFX, even KNOW that everyone was going to hate Tate because she's a "successful female comedian"? Yes, Tate has been OK in some drama, but by and large, her "comedy" consists of bellowing and shouting. So does the humour of Johnny Vegas, but you don't see HIM being lauded as the next great serious actor of the year.

Tater haters, drop this fucking politically correct bullshit, for the love of all that does not suck! You CAN actually hate Tate because she's a bellowing Cockney fishwife, NOT because you suffer from some intrinsic fear of successful wimmin blah blah blah. Not all of us suffer from some post-Imperialist middle class white guilt complex that makes people who were not remotely responsible for anything the British Empire did suddenly feel ashamed of their own race. THAT is the root of this sickness that is political correctness, and its result is that the white, rich upper-class majority of the British Government now loathe themselves and everything they think they stand for, and the rest of us are going to pay for it.

FUCK political correctness. Call me a misogynist for not being a Tate fan, and I'll call you the kind of twat who ends up giving England away to the non-English, the kind off person who puts the indigenous Anglo-Saxon English to the back of the queue so some hands-out illegal immigrants who arrived on the back of the Eurostar last month can have the benefits before someone like me who has worked in this country and paid their taxes for over twenty years. Get off your fucking hetero-hating, misogynist-seeking race-obssessed sex-obssessed white-working-class-Caucasian hating high horse and rejoin the human fucking race. In other words, get off the cross, honey - someone needs the wood. Fucking amateur sociologists.

*Caveat - Yes this rant is mainly aimed at the psuedo-intellectual political correction thought Nazis of the UK, but hey - feel free to apply it the good ol' US too.

CrichtonAstronut
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
03:47:29 PM
The reason sexy as hell women keep showing up is BECAUSE Who is now such a gay show.

I mean, how many hot chicks in Hollywood have Gay Best Friends? They feel SAFE around gay men!

OMG - The Doctor is GAY!!!

I'm the Doc.
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
03:49:47 PM
Doc Melanoma. Donna Noble's wart. Not her wart, no! I'm her growth. Her tumour. That's why she calls me Melanoma Head. Old Melanoma Head's coming! From Gallifrey. Donna Noble's wart.

(I watched some classic John Candy last night. Great, great times :D)

So this isn;t about Ellen Pompeo?
by Napoleon Park
Apr 14th, 2008
04:20:05 PM
Just kidding on yah, Doc Hookah is great.
Oh the humanity.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
05:34:31 PM
Who will defend all the hard done by straight men of the world?, its a tragedy!
Oh the humanity.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
05:34:41 PM
Who will defend all the hard done by straight white men of the world?, its a tragedy!
I covered both bases there.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
05:35:47 PM
Just in case the very small chance Spud is not white applied.
I covered both bases there.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
05:35:50 PM
Just in case the very small chance Spud is not white applied.
Yeah, Smashing,
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
05:54:13 PM
'Cos only the non-white, non-hetero peoples of the world are hurting or offended. 'Cos all the hetero white men of the world are oppressors, and we're all profiting off the miseries of others.

Anyone fucking dumb enough to believe the above, shoot yourselves in the head. Repeatedly, if necessary. Especially Smashing, and his unreconstructed martyr complexes (you know - the ones where the evil straight white men ruined everything for everyone and only the poor, oppressed homosexual non-whites of the world have any intrinsic worth).

Oh lighten de fuck up monsieur potatoe.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
06:16:31 PM
Seriously its a Doctor Who talkback not the United bleeding Nations. The way you see me implies an extreme hysteria on you're part, are you a Sun reporter or Kelvin Mackenzie?. Seriously some of my best friends are straight people so you know, like, chill out man dingo. I am not saying only minorities can feel or be persecuted but you have to admit that as a hetty white boy you're kinda top of the heap, I would not worry too much about losing that position if I was you.
Dude, where's my Ood?
by The Handsome 12th Doctor
Apr 14th, 2008
06:17:44 PM
I've just read that the British Board of Film Classification have given Volume 1 of this season (first three episodes) a '12' certificate. This is because 'Planet of the Ood' contains a moderately gory moment.

What time is this ep going out on Saturday? Are we going to get this gory moment on telly?

It goes out at 6.20!
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
06:33:05 PM
Hardly an appropriate time for a 12 rated show, madness, its probably something to do with the gay agenda, if kids get scared RTD goes round to there house to "comfort" them in a really gay way.
Hate is hate - or is that Tate?
by spud mcspud
Apr 14th, 2008
06:38:17 PM
You'll find in the New Labour Britain, the hetty white boy tends to be regarded last as the fat, hetty white boys who are running the country are easing their consciences and assuaging their post-colonialist guilt by making the hetty white boys of my generation suffer. Yep, I have to be considered last for a job because Gordon Brown wants to make the black population of Britain feel better about the white slavemasters of the 1800s, by making the current white generation suffer publicly. Hence all the Affirmative Action bullshit, which results in me, in 2001, not being able to get certain benefits while I looked for work (my first break in work since 1988) while certain minorities - Asian in my instance - were allowed things like free driving lessons, free transport to interviews etc. Why only minorities? To assuage this post-colonialist guilt. My life HAS been negatively affected by this rampant political correctness, and I can assure you Smashing, hetty white boys have had it like this for well at least the last twenty years. It's uninformed people like you that keep it going by assuming people like me, sick of paying for what white men three of four generations above me did by having to go without now. Our country is FUCKED - absolutely, politically and sociologically, FUCKED - and is pretty much on the brink of a civil war brought about by an uncaring Government who doesn't give a fuck about me and mine. Whether or not you think this is all in jest is up to you, but don't expect me to fall for shit like "you don't like Tate because you're scared of successful women" and "you don't like RTD's writing 'cos he's gay" when really what you're saying is "You're an insecure hetero who can't handle independent women" or "you're a ragingn homophobe who can't deal with his own latent homosexuality". Such petty chidishness has been the preserve of veiled middle-class 'intellectual' piss-taking for years, and obviously you are one of those smug bastards, so instead of hiding behind your Times-reading, self-loathing politically correct front, tell me what you REALLY think of we white working-class heteros.

Plus, things are shit at the moment, the Government (as usual) are falling over themselves to help the minorities and the immigrants way before the indigenous such as myself (as usual) so, yes, I feel a little sensitive at the moment. I'd just like the courtesy of being taken at face value when I say I don't like Tate's humour. Sometimes a dislike of gobby Cockney fishwife humour is just a dislike of gobby Cockney fishwife humour. It's nothing to do with a fear of successful women or a need to work out blah blah blah this week's PC bullshit. As for the top of the heap hetty white boy position - worry about losing it? We lost it when Blair came into power. If you're British, you'll already know this - if not, apologies for the history of new Labour politics, but this is the way it REALLY is.

But back to Who - what do you think about this Ood upcoming ep? Gonna be good, bad or indifferent? I'm going to keep my expectations nice and low, so I'll enjoy it whatever, but I'm not sure it's going to be as good as POMPEII, which will, I'm sure, be one of S4's highlights.

I served in our country's military, did you?
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
06:58:02 PM
I have been passed up for the last 4 jobs I went for because of the old boys club hiring hetero sexual men who where less qualified than me but who "fitted in better". You want to talk to me about being discriminated about, I'm listening but skeptical. Unlike you however I do not blame anyone person for my troubles and I just put up and shut up, asides from online where I vent. You're accusations about me are pretty vile and I really do not know where to start, you do not know me at all and your pop psychology is so far off the mark to be shocking you could think like that. Perhaps, playing pop psych back it reveals more about your thinking than it does mine? I really do not think the UK is fucked, I think like the rest of the world its struggling towards something new, maybe something amazing if we can make it work. I would never stand for anyone being sidelined, even the straight white man you feel I hate, which given I fit two of the three criteria is ludicrous. I am looking forward to this weeks Ood fest, if nothing less it will give Grace Dent the hilarious Radio Times writer more opportunities to call ugly celebrities Ood like, god I love her, I think Tate is amazing, i cannot understand you not liking a gobby companion?, Martha was great but she never really shone as well as she did in the Shakespeare episode for me, Rose is of course Rose, the first and in a way key but Donna is something new, she is a bit thick but more human than any of the previous companions, its like having Jackie Tyler along each week, and how bloody cool would that be? I am going to make it easy for you Spud, and I will preface this by saying I am joking as humour does not seem to be your friend, You are wrong about Tate, she is amazing, no more discussion is needed, you will enjoy her portrayal of Donna without fuss or complaining, this goes for the whole of talkback land, no more Tating, learn to love the Donna and feel the relief it brings, you know you want to.
Oh and I'm working class too.
by Smashing
Apr 14th, 2008
07:02:15 PM
Smashing equals uneducated, like my grammar didn't give that away, working class 34 year old, just for perceptions sake.
Adam was a twat. So was Mickey.
by ZeroCorpse
Apr 14th, 2008
08:15:50 PM
The Doctor HAS travelled with hetero men since RTD took over, but unfortunately, the choices have been lackluster. Nobody liked either of the hetero guys, while Captain Jack is immensely popular.

I see a lot of gay fear here. Some of you seem to hate ANYTHING the show does, because RTD is associated with it, and you know he's gay. I'd bet you wouldn't say jack-shit about it if RTD were in the closet.

I also see a lot of teeth-gnashing about the choice of picking working-class Britons as companions. I'm a yank, so I don't know the class structure in the U.K. right now, but as an actor I know dialects well enough to know that some Britons seem judge each other on their particular dialect, and apparently some people get a lot of hate just for being from a particular region or economic background.

I suppose it's no different than the way we regard rednecks, hicks, hillbillies, white trash, trailer trash, and white kids who act "ghetto" in the States, but still, Donna and Rose were CHARACTERS in a show, and yet I keep seeing lots of hate for the chavs they portray.

That would be like Americans hating "My Name is Earl" because it's a show all about white trash characters. The ACTORS aren't white trash. They're playing roles. We get that-- Why don't you Brits?

Honestly, from an outsider's point of view, Billie Piper's dialect is kind of charming and quaint. That proper BBC English is more of a turn-off! It's so plain. I like the regional and class-based dialects of your country.

I'm Welsh in heritage, though, so you'll probably not take my word for much.

So far, Martha's my choice. She's hot in every way. I do happen to prefer Black women, and when a Black woman is speaking U.K. English, it's an incredible turn-on. When she has an ass like that, there's no contest. She makes Billie Piper look like Catherine Tate.

Not that Tate's horrible. She's passable. She's got nice cans, anyway, and she's a redhead which is apparently more attractive to Americans than it is to some Britons. She's loud, though-- I'll give you that. She comes off rather shrewish.

Before Martha came along, my favorite companion was Ace. It's a shame her story was never followed-up on, because she was interesting, and Sophie Aldred was quite cute, and also happened to have a lovely ass.

Jackie Tyler was pretty hot, too. We don't get much of that actress over here in the States-- She's been in a few things, but when trying to explain who she is to a fellow Yank, I have to reference "King Ralph", which was not exactly an A-list film.

I kind of wish the Doctor would take a non-Brit companion again. He keeps grabbing women from the U.K. and flying off with them--- And you call him gay? --- and the only American he ever took (well, American-sounding, anyway) was Captain Jack.

The companion is necessary. They're a proxy for the audience. The Doctor without a companion would be pretty quiet, because he'd have no one to explain things to-- He'd just do the job and get gone.

But to my title-- I did not like Adam, even before he turned out to be a rotten little git. I NEVER liked Mickey. Not when he was the whiny boyfriend, and not when he was the freedom fighter. He always came across as a toss-face, whinging loser. I'm sure the actor's an OK fellow (I liked him on The Weakest Link) but Mickey, the character, was annoying as hell.

I will note, however, that they need to stop calling Martha the Doctor's first Black companion. Mickey beat her by a couple years.

Correction: The only American since RTD.
by ZeroCorpse
Apr 14th, 2008
08:19:19 PM
I forget: Was Adam meant to be American?

Anyway, I know there were Yanks in the past. Even though they were played by Brits, and they tended to overdo the American accent a bit. (I used to enjoy Nicola's version of American English. She was good, but she enunciated too much sometimes.)

I second that....
by Seph_J
Apr 14th, 2008
09:32:16 PM
Mickey was and still is a toss-face.

And on the Spud/Smashing debate, yes minorities are being carried somewhat in the country, and I can't help but feel they MUST be laughing at us. But the alternative is a racist and uneducated approach, such as in China... where people genuinely think that if you are black, then you MUST be selling drugs... or if you are white, then of course you are disgustingly promiscious, and have 10 girlfriends. And its a really unconfortable place to live for anyone. They even have MASSIVE prejudices against people from other provinces.

What we are doing by placing the importance of these 'minorities' above that of our own peoples, is encouraging people to resent them. Which is gonna end up the same anyway. I'm a tolerant guy... and the UK is a VERY tolerant place, but when I think back to that incident where that play that was being shown in Birmingham was cancelled due to the protests of some 'minority' Sikhs, I get very very angry.

VERY angry indeed.

And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry...

Cos i'll gather a bunch of my mates, storm down to the theater, destroy loads of shit, and demand that your countries freedom to write and perform drama, be stopped immediately!

THATS going too far. THATS when the people of the UK need to become decidedly LESS tolerant.

Series buzzword!!!! And Peri's Tits!
by James_O'Nasty
Apr 14th, 2008
11:29:07 PM
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/M edusa_Cascade

Peri's Tits were the actual companions, NOT Perpugilliam Brown, simply her tits.

Fao Football- the TARDIS is light because...
by foreverguardian
Apr 15th, 2008
02:53:08 AM
The outer shell and the inner complex exist on seperate dimensional planes. The 'Blue Box' is just a manifestation of the faulty chameleon circuit in the TARDIS, which would normally allow the doorway of the ship to appear as literally anything. As it is, it is stuck with a 1950s police box. The internal parts of the ship (which are theoretically infinite in Doctor Who lore, despite us only ever seeing the console room- and one shot of the wardrobe room in TCI) exist outside of this physical plane, but are still affected by what happens to the outer shell, hence the bumps and chaos inside during flight. Yeah, it makes little sense, but that's those wily old Time Lords for ya ;)
Looking back now, Sophie Aldred
by Seph_J
Apr 15th, 2008
03:28:36 AM
was a bit of a meat-head, but certainly very 80s. But when I was watching it, she was certainly one of my favourite companions. FAR better than Langford. My God.
We're more alike than you think, Smashing...
by spud mcspud
Apr 15th, 2008
04:44:52 AM
...I too read Grace Dent! But where on that RT do you find her blog? My shorcut is no longer working!

'Tis true, occasionally, the Spud occasionally has a sense of humour failure (though you have to give me the Uncle Buck references!). It's just that when these talkbacks degrade into "you hate RTD 'cos he's gay" or "you hate Tate 'cos she's a woman and a successful one!", that's not proper criticism, that's hiding behind political correctness to hide what you really think of me. You think I've got you wrong? I probably have: we've never met, I've no idea what you're like as a person, and I'd never guess you were ex-Forces unless you told me (I do understand the old boys thing: I went to private school, Assisted Places scheme, and a lot of the rich snotty bastards ended up in Sandhurst, all manifestly unable to do the job of an NCO, but in there anyway thanks to the Old Boys Network). There's a lot about you I'd never guess unless you told me. But what I DO have to go on are your comments, and even allowing for you being sensitive to comments against RTD being gay because, for all I know, you're gay and have suffered some persecution because of it, and that's one of the buttons in you that's easy to push. But it seems this state of affairs has blinded you to the possibility that some of us are against RTD's writing purely because it's clunky. It's telling that the first time Capt Jack appeared was in a Moffat script, and the fact that he's gay wasn't ignored, but neither was it made an issue of - he flirts, the Doctor puts him back in line - eyebrows may have been raised, but essentially it's part of the plot, it's organic, it's real. Contrasted with the old ladies in GRIDLOCK - which, cu