As for 'frak'... It allows them so say 'fuck', 'go fuck yourself', 'mother-fucker' and countless other variations, as often as they like with no reprisals. Seems like a smart move to me on a show that's aiming for a certain level of 'realism' in its dialogue.

A fat fraking Cylon...like a fat chinaman...something you thought you'd never see. What will Ron Moore think of next??

I think that we will find that this is set a long time in the future and that all this happened with Cylons on Earth many years ago a la Terminator or the Matrix.

Human beings fled Earth to search for other new homes, and they found Cobal.

Some of the Earthling Cylons stowed aboard as spies or something similar.

Once they discovered and moved to the 12 colonies, much of the original lore of Earth was lost, but not the Immortal Cylons, as predicted Human beings ended up creating a new race of Cylons, but unbeknownst to them the Earth Cylons started to influence them and eventually lead them, creating the 7 models known for a while, the other 4 we have just found were 4 of the original models from earth, but they had their memories wiped (For some reason), the only one who knows what lies on Earth is the last model we have not seen yet.

When they do get to Earth they will discover it is a Cylon controlled world, but far more advanced Cylons than the ones they know of, they will have to choose whether they can live in co-existence or whether they leave and try and find another new home elsewhere. The Earth Cylons will be more accepting of Humans and actually value them, unlike the Colony Cylons who basically just wanted to enslave them. The Earth Cy;ons will answer all the questions both the Humans and the Colony Cylons have and explain how they are destined to be together,

In fact perhaps not all Humans exited Earth and those that remain have integrated fully with Cylons who have almost become a hybrid, no distinction between Human and Cylon and all Social problems and Death Illness are all solved, it my be a Utopia.

That’s what I think is going to happen, maybe its completely wrong though…Thoughts?

They were having a "Joke of the Day" contest (this was during the time when Howard was transitioning to Sirius and couldn't be on the air...so I was listening) and this fellow calls in with the following joke:

"A guy is at work and his telephone rings. 'This is Dr. Smith down at County General. Your wife has been admitted and you should get down here right away'. So the guy drives down to the hospital and is met by the grim faced doctor. 'Sir', he explains, 'Your wife has been in a terrible automobile accident. She'll live, but she will never be able to walk, talk, feed or clean herself ever again'. The guy looks at the doctor and pleads 'Doctor, isn't there anything else you can do for her?' The doctor grins and says 'Man, I'm just kidding with you. She's dead!'

Which gets them both chortling that fake laugh of theirs and wins the joke of the day.

Then his (Don? Mike? who knows which is which??) wife is killed in a car accident a year or two later.

Now, that's tragic and I feel really bad when anyone's life is cut short, especially in a senseless car crash...but THAT'S COMEDY!

Seriously, that sucks, but it's oddly funny or ironic or whatever.

And Howard sucks for not replaying yesterday's show. I call BULLSHIT on the whole to-do.

Anyone who spoiled "The Wire" should be airlocked. That's like a school building in the summertime...NO CLASS!

The Boomer/Eights and Caprica/Sixes wanted to try and live with them in peace, the Brother Cavils only put up with them because everyone else wanted to, and were all in favour of near-extermination and brutal oppression to keep them in line, the Simon models always just seem coldly analytical about situations, just studying things without forming an opinion, Leobens are religious nutcases who think everything is pre-ordained and don't seem to get involved, and Dorals are the most beligeratn and human-hating of the group, and probably the first to want to just kill the humans. D'ianna seemd to take the lead all the time and try and walk the line between everyone's viewpoints, until she became obsessed with the Final Five and her model was boxed. The Cylons now seem to have decided they want to get to Earth instead of the humans, and this, rather than exterminating the humans, seems to be their driving motivation at the moment. Why is just one of the mysteries that this season will surely tackle.

As for JMS, you're right, but he too had his alien civilisations behave in different,. sometimes contradictory ways, because this is more realistic that the Trek race-as-analogy-for-one-specif ic-viewpoint/philosphy schtick thaqt leads to honour-obsessed Klingons, super-capitalistic Ferengi, logic-loving Vulcans, etc. You could just as easily have said, "what's up with the Minbari? One minute they want to exterminate humans, next minute they're our best friends!", and it would be just as shallow and misleading an interpretation as yours of the Cylons.

Secondly, your points about the Cylon double-agents just 'happening' to be surviving in the fleet is completely fallacious. For one thing, the Cylons, even the ones who didn't know who they were, may have had some hidden drive to gravitate towards positions of authority and effectiveness, and may have had secret information forewarning of the attack in them that gave them the edge in surviving and making it to safety. But even without this speculation, there's the blindingly obvious solution that for every Cylon agent that made it into the rag-tag fleet and survived, maybe a hundred died in the attacks! With Boomer (and Doral) on Galactica and Gina on Pegasus, maybe one of the Cylon goals was to get an agent on every Battlestar, and the only reason we've seen the ones one Pegasus and Galactica is because all the ones on other Battlestars perished with them (maybe even assisted in sabotaging them), before being resurrected in the Cylon fleet.

Wow, talk about a way to sacrifice all credibility, gboybama. Actually, there is a show on TV that *did* sketch out a plan ahead of time. It's called LOST. You know, the show which has exactly 40 episodes left. A phenomenal 4th season which is bringing the entire story towards a home landing. The show which as a SERIES finale which is already pre-planned and scheduled for May of 2010. Idiot.

Thats probably what I would go with if I was a writer on the show.

I also agree about the person saying its now getting too confusing and disjointed, thats absolute rubbish, i certainly dont feel that way when I watch it.

LOST is getting a little disjointed for me now, but I still love it, hell I loved the Prisoner and even the writers did not know what was going on in that, but BSG is not like this at all.

By the way Prisoner is being remade by Sky TV in UK, but I cant talk about it, because I work for Sky.

Cheers

Ron Moore continues to amaze me. As the above poster said, LOST and BSG coupled together could end the war in the Middle East, terminate Uwe Boll's career, or trigger the return of the Messiah.

1. DHARMA damaged a magnet, causing an EMP to charge. They wanted to study the anomaly so they created the Swan to discharge the EMP. In the event of an EMERGENCY, a failsafe key was created to destroy the magnet.

2. DHARMA was killed in a Purge. Rosseau and the Swan operative were left alive.

3. Flying away from the island = dangerous. You can get time travel sickness from radiation. Leaving island by sub = Safe.

4. Ben had left the island by sub in the past but was afraid to leave for surgery, most likely because Widmore has a bounty on his head.

5. The island is cloaked, and is difficult to track without knowing its precise coordinates. Ben's equipment to track the island remotely may have been destroyed by the EMP failsafe explosion.

6. The EMP failsafe explosion exposed Desmond to radiation, leading to time traveling anomalies.

7. After the EMP failsafe explosion, the magnetic burst was captured by Penny, who is now very close to rescuing Desmond.

I know LOST haters may not like to admit it. But it makes sense.

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To raw_bean, I so want to agree with you. But, I think these latest Cylon models are going to end up being singular individuals. For instance, does it make sense for there to be a Colonel Tigh on each Battlestar? Someone of his rank would be well known throughout the fleet and therefore copies of him wouldn't be able to be as stealthy as the odd Leoben or two peppered around the colonies. But, if we say that, then we're back to the coincidental survival problem I mentioned before. You suggest I haven't been paying attention. I say some folks have a short memory. The BSG survived through the lucky stroke of not having a central computer network for the toasters to control. Their fighters were effective because they were older models. Now, we're going to say that every event that led to the survival of the final four was a manipulation by the Cylons? If so, that cheapens the Galactica's survival. It was never meant to be destroyed. Of course, that doesn't jibe with the number of times the BSG was within mere moments of being destroyed while in combat with the Cylons. You mean they jumped just seconds before the warheads hit and the Cylons planned all that out? Honestly guys, I think it's obvious that we're not supposed to think about these two shows too seriously. They just don't stand up to that level of scrutiny. That said, BSG, LOST and Dexter are the only shows currently season passed on my Tivo. For all my complaints, they really are only nitpicks compared to how much these shows beat the other crap out there on the airwaves.

As far as the navigation issues go, it has consistently been stated that navigation is ALWAYS safely possible if you traverse across very specific coordinates. The entire island was surrounded by magnetic anomalies both BEFORE and AFTER the Swan explosion. However, with the Failsafe activated, the magnetism will not cause the island to implode on itself.

As far as Ben leaving the island, I agree this is the biggest gray area of the series. However, I think Ben probably has a legitimate reason for wishing to stay on the island. Possibly in fear that Widmore will kill him (note: this DOES require fan fic style thinking). However, I think once Ben DOES leave with the Oceanic Six, we will understand clearly why he did not wish to leave the island for surgery if he could.

Why would leaving in a sub be any different than doing so in a boat or airplane? Once can assume a submarine could pass UNDERNEATH a spatial barrier.

As far as how is electromagnetism connected to time travel, now you're just getting nitpicky. As far as I know, time travel isn't possible. While you're questioning the mechanics of time travel, how do the ships in BSG communicate w/o WAP as I have not seen any Linksys routers anywhere on the ships, and how can Cylons be real if there is no Core 2 Quad chip in their heads?

Widmore was written as a side character originally? Has this been confirmed by Damon? Even if true... who cares, Widmore ROCKS. :D The more Widmore the better, power for Damon for signing him on to more episodes.

Tracking the island has always been virtually impossible. Consistently. Flight 815 didn't "see" the island until it was right on top of it. Namoi has a *beep* of a time finding the island. Penny can't find it. Now, how did Michael successfully get to NY w/o going in circles when Desmond couldn't leave? This is the 2nd real legitimate plot hole that you've mentioned. But remember, we didn't actually SEE Michael get rescued, and Ben did give Mike specific directions. Either way I'm hoping we will get an answer later in S4. I'm wondering if time travel was involved.

I don't think we can comment fully on the numbers now. That's one of the BIG mysteries along with Smokey that I wouldn't expect to see resolved until Season 6.

I think we'll definitely see the 4 Toe statue once we see the other side of the island again, along with the Temple. And hey, it's been confirmed that Richard is coming back!!! Woo!!!

Some of your points are ridiculously nitpicky, some I agree are legitimate questions. Either way, I think everything will gel nicely once S4 reaches its climax. I have a feeling once Ben is FORCED to leave along with the Oceanic Six, all this navigation business will be made clear. In the mean time, I don't care what anyone says. No currently airing show on TV has anything on LOST, with the SOLE exception of DEXTER and BSG. Period.

summon the writers to ream and retool the final season!!

there is nothing wrong with me wrong with me wrong with me wrong with me

maybe he repaired it??

And, you might be the only one who knows what your name means... Care to Share? :~)

CapSix's InHead Baltar could also be an Angel of God, and now Baltar's InHead Baltar could be the same Angel?

The "Leoben" who guided Starbuck to the Maestrom admitted he was not really a Leoben, but just appearing to Starbuck in that form--also an Angel of God?

Grace Park Forever!

So say me all.

Whatever they are supposed to be or represent - tonight they raised their game level by putting Baltar in the employ of the Final Five(the four revealed) through Final Five member Tory.

Also, it is probably no coincidence that Kara gets the green light to search for Earth at the same time Baltar gets "retained" by the final Cylons.

Sonny did not go down easy and neither did Brother Cavil, Doral, and Simon. Like Sonny's killers, this one may come back to haunt Six.

...other than that, good episode...

loved the baltar/baltar conversation. he always manages to know more than he wants to, yet rarely follows up on it.

the lobotomizing of the cylon raiders made me feel sick.

aww, they get to take the shitmobile to find earth. well, it's better than nothing. i was pretty sure Starbuck was going to have her head explode if she had to go any further away.

Jamie Bamber is not allowed to leave the show. So says I. plus i don't think they need him on Horatio Hornblower any longer. Apollo is here til the bitter end.

James Callis in Bridget Jones' Diary (he's pretty funny), but it does still surprise me that he gets all the hot chicks on BSG. Perhaps that is all part of Baltar being 'special'.

sorry i missed the leno (i never thought i would ever say that) with helfer and shatner. must youtube it.

by the way, is it friday, yet? more BSG now, please!

best line to date on BSG, "no more Mr. Nice Gaius!". i am starting to think it may be unbeatable.

Seems like they have to answer the question this season.....

I say the Prez is the final Cylon.

Six, Leoben, and Sharon were really hanging on to her every word. Any particular insights regarding her remarks?

The "will not harm their own" was repeated at least twice, so I suspect it means that the Four will not be a threat to the Fleet, AND the connection between Raiders (possibly Centurions, too?) and the Four--no harming each other. Seems like the Centurions and Skin Jobs got no qualms about harming each other now, eh.

The "End Of The Line" reference was interesting to me, since D'Anna's dream sequence had her evading troops on Galactica until being shot in front of a hatch labelled End Of The Line. This started her Flatlining experience--ultimately leading her to the Temple Vision (and, in my theory, her Apology to The Hybrid). Kind of a full circle thingy, eh?

And probably all of it is utterly wrong!

The episode did not have alot of action, but it did launch some enormous story arcs --the Hybrid calling out the Final Four/Five was one of the biggest, especially in the way she influenced Six, Leoben, and Sharon to break the rules and discuss them. That encounter with the Hybrid looks to be a very formative one for those three models.

The accursed executive saw fit to release the S3 dvd set SO DAMN CLOSE to the S4 premiere, and (though I have seen S3) I am rewatching it as my wife gets caught up--so I have delayed watching Razor until we are thru S3. (But I am watching the S4 eps while she is at work! Maybe an urgent, stealthy viewing of Razor is in order).

may I suggest 7arahananW?

Damn, I love this show!

They did note that her viper's flight computer had no record of anything at all, so no coordinates to use there.