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I'll trade-wait for Secret Invasion
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 9th, 2008
08:16:46 AM
Looks like the sort of thing that'll just be frustrating to read month-by- month.
Considering this is ACIN
by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
08:17:34 AM
There must be a way to get you guys some advanced previews. Most comic sites had advanced reviews of Secret Invasion up a week before the issue came out, and you guys have to settle for a week after. Hell, even a day after would work for me.
Secret Invasion
by symon
Apr 9th, 2008
08:25:55 AM
Good review for someone who hasn't been reading the big Marvel books lately - but doesn't this book deserve a second review from someone who's actually following the larger story line? I think this is an event that is only going to work well for people who've been reading the big Marvel books for the last couple of years. That being said, even I was a little disappointed with the opening...
One Week Later
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:27:44 AM
Well, let's wrap the world around Hell Pop!

This is a site done by the fans for the fans. We could knock on DC and Marvel's door, asking for their books all in advance. For me, though, that would (subconsciously or consciously) influence me to maybe not give reviews like the ones I give above. One of the reasons we are so passionate in our reviews is because we plop our hard earned cash down for the books.

So sorry, the week later thing (something that has been a constant here at AICN Comics for about seven years) is going to stay. There are plenty of other sites out there who get preview copies and rush to their computers the minute they are off the preseses. We like to take a bit of time to savor the books and write something a bit more thorough and thought out.

Here's an option. Go to those other sites and check out their reviews, then come back here for how the books really are.
I've already read those book.
by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
08:32:35 AM
a week ago.
oh
by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
08:33:00 AM
but ok, ill stick to those site instead of yours.
Your chioice, Poppy...
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:39:34 AM
It's a great big wide internet, my friend. Room for all kinds of reviews. And limiting yourself from one because it doesn't serve it up immediatley is...well...pretty limiting. But if you would rather choose their McFish over our grilled salmon, well, then be my guest.
Quick question
by Chilli815
Apr 9th, 2008
08:42:41 AM
What's the exact policy on submitting comic-books for you chaps to read? Because there's a web-comic I'm involved with, and I was wondering whether you paid those much heed.
neither is Shenjanno
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:47:31 AM
Well, it isn't.
The Twelve or Superpowers | Armageddon or Deep Impact
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
08:48:05 AM
"The Twelve" and "Superpowers" are the same exact comic book. Except that "Superpowers" has a lot more hype and "The Twelve" is a much better comic book.

This is exactly like when "Surface", "Invasion" and "Threshold" hit TV at the same time.

Or "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact".

Or "Deep Star Six" and "The Abyss".

Or "Twister" and that other tornado movie.

It's the same thing over again.
Chilli815
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:49:09 AM
At the end of the column, we tell people to click on the link of your favorite reviewer to submit comics for review. Right now, I'm a bit backed up with the indie jones stuff, but we do have a dot.comics section occasionally that focuses on webcomics. Hope this helps.
Ambush Bug
by Chilli815
Apr 9th, 2008
08:50:20 AM
Righteo. I do remember throwing it out there a while ago, but nothing came of it. Might be worth another stab at any rate.
Read Walking Dead...
by JBouganim1
Apr 9th, 2008
08:50:46 AM
Amazing issue. I can't believe how in one issue they can just take out nearly kill more then 3/4s of the characters

by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
08:55:18 AM
BTW, I wasn't trying to aggrivate you or anyone else. And I wasn't criticizing your reviews in and of themselves, I would just genuinely like to see them sooner. Is being swayed by advanced stuff really an issue? I've never felt that advanced movie reviews or trips to Skywalker ranch/Pixar/Movie sets ever stopped the rest of AICN from being fair and balanced. I figured a $4 comic would bring anyone to their knees for a publisher... so to speak. But you guys are more aware of your own character than I.
Sorry, Chilli
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:55:24 AM
Sometimes the requests people send get lost in the cracks. I really do try to read everything people send me for Indie Jones and dot.comics, though. There's just a lot of it.
Well, we're up every Wednesday, Pop
by Ambush Bug
Apr 9th, 2008
08:57:14 AM
Hope to see you then.
Wolverine = WORST MARVEL CHARACTER EVER
by Err
Apr 9th, 2008
08:59:46 AM
Hell Pop
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
09:02:02 AM
I'm currently under the impression that not only do they receive advance reviews, but some of the "for profit" sites may actually pay their reviewers a stipend. I could be 100% completely wrong, but I only know from the @$$hole perspective, and what I know is this:

The @$$holes provide the AICN Comics reviewing service FOR FREE. As in, we spend our OWN time reviewing comics that we bought OURSELVES. The reviews get posted here after being formatted under our own blood/sweat/tears/ejaculate and we don't make a dime off it.

I'm not complaining; I'm simply stating that we do this as a free service.
In conclusion
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
09:04:12 AM
And my reason for stating that is to explain that THAT is why we take our time with it. We're NOT dedicated newsmen. This is NOT our day job or even a side job or even a PAYING job.

N.B. In the prior post, in the first sentence, it should read "advance copies" not "advance reviews".
Hey Shenjanno
by stones_throw
Apr 9th, 2008
09:05:45 AM
Care to explain that ten-page preview they had up on ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY? Or the fact that this is a new #1 with a huge marketing push behind it, rather than appearing in the Avengers books? Marvel seems to be making a pretty concerted effort to get new readers on to SECRET INVASION. And so when the plot is already well underway by the beginning of this #1 (suitable for new readers, see) it can't help but seem a little dishonest to me. Hell, buddy, like Hellpop says, you could have read about a million advance reviews all saying the same thing. I tried to bring a different perspective by focusing on the book itself, not the self-created hype or build-up.
Not saying you should stop.
by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
09:06:43 AM
I think it become an issue (albiet minor) for me after there is such saturation of things like the Marvel DC events prior to it's arrival that by the time I see you guys headlineing with something like SI #1, I don't even bother reading it. Not because of a poor review, but I've already read enough on the subject. Whereas I would have paid more attention a week ago. But like you said. It's your corner of the internet, do with it as you please.
wow
by Hell Pop
Apr 9th, 2008
09:07:40 AM
can I write a run-on sentence or what?
Does Wolverine keep his metal in the fight?
by blindambition238
Apr 9th, 2008
09:09:42 AM
Cause if he does, but has none of that healing mojo, you'll be getting lots of submission where he passes out from adamantium poisoning...
Stoney's review on Invasion
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
09:18:46 AM
I was thinking I would probably be the one to review the book (given my familiarity with all the moving parts), but when he snatched it out of my palsied hands, I thought it was a very cool move for exactly the reason stated. Sure, I'm a HUGE Avengers fan (around 350 lbs, ba-dump-bump) and I remember trying to pull all the pieces together when Skrullectra was revealed.

But given all the hype and "sturm und drang" to garner new fans, I was really curious to see how non-slavering non-fans would react. Now *you* know, and now *I* know.

And I would almost guarantee it's a perspective you won't get anywhere else, one that should be considered before recommending it to the casual reader.
Ambush Bug
by Chilli815
Apr 9th, 2008
09:32:28 AM
Right on. Tell ya what, soon as we figure out some website issues, I'll give you a buzz. It's called Reynard City, and after a period of change from formats we're hopefully going to stabilise enough to (slowly) build up an audience.
secret invasion
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
09:34:31 AM
why is bendis still getting work at marvel? walking dead is on fire.
Secret Invasion review from a TRUE novice...
by tonagan
Apr 9th, 2008
09:49:23 AM
So once I'm done reading all the words in this square, do I read the square beneath it or the one on the right? I think there's something wrong with the color because that lady has green hair. A dinosaur? Is that a spaceship or a time machine? So if little white bubbles come out of their head, that means they're thinking? So what happens if it's just a little box with quotation marks, does that mean someone's thinking? Or are they talking? Or is someone else talking? So why did the one bad guy have a bowler hat and the other guy didn't? It would be much less confusing if they all had bowler hats? And why are all the bad guys quoting Telly Savalas from Kojak? Forget it, my head hurts. I'm going to take a nap.
this is
by God's Brother
Apr 9th, 2008
10:06:09 AM
the BEST comics reviews site on the internet, hands down. I gave up on superhero comics awhile back, but I still find my way back here every week, just to see what I've been missing (usually nothing much, or nothing worth spending money on), to read well written/well thought out reviews, etc. When I know of a certain comic that comes out, I immediately think "I can't wait for next week, when these guys do their take...", even though I CAN wait for next week, and do, gladly. Am I rambling? Either way, keep up the good work, guys. You're the only reason I come to this site at all.
So if there's been a 4 year build up...
by God's Brother
Apr 9th, 2008
10:19:07 AM
then how the hell are "new readers" exposed to 10 sample pages gonna feel that buildup? Oh, I get it, clunky exposition, so poorly constructed that it might actually turn "new readers" off, rather than have them scouring the back-issue bins hungry to buy as many of these overpriced comic-book-thingees as possible. If you wanted to attract new readers to this big event as a way to entice newbies to your continuity-laden universe, you start the event from the beginning. Skrull-lektra: expose the shocking truth in issue 1 of Secret Invasion, rather than over a year ago in some random Avengers story. Iron Man helping us (me) play catch-up just makes me wanna punch him in the face.
Plus, on this site...you don't just get OUR reviews...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
10:19:38 AM
...you all get the added BONUS reviews of the reviews themselves! Woot-woot! Which MUST mean we're a lot more interesting than the comics we review! Or is there a flaw in my logic?

Anyway, tat's why I became a reviewer...well, that and the free enemas. Or am I being redundant?
Dear Shenjanno.....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
10:26:09 AM
Can I get you some Massengill to take care of that sand in your vagina? No? Then how about you simply STFU, 'kay son? Your rant against Stones is the epitome of the word pedantic, not to mention that calling him a dilettante shows how little you actually know of him. Though I must say your posts DO say quite a bit about you. To borrow a rather famous Whedonism: "Bored now."
Right & Wrong
by Saluki
Apr 9th, 2008
10:34:50 AM
I think Bug is going out of his way to dislike Kick-Ass #2 here, most of all since the main character had a damned good reason to burn his comic books. Then what does he do? He suits right back up. Walking Dead #48 is just a brutal as any review has made it out to be, but I'm surprised so many reviewers enjoyed it as much. Many other readers I've spoken with thought it wasn't handled too well. Oh well, we are finally out of the prison. Hoorah.
Shenjanno
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
10:38:33 AM
I would take the opposite view. Just because someone's view is valid doesn't make it informed, and just because someone's view is uninformed doesn't make it invalid, particularly as Marvel is inviting uninformed readers to formulate opinions based on marketing.

And you're free to debate it on those merits, or any other point you choose, but not as thinly-veiled ad hominems.

Oh, and so you can join us in the stone age, throw in an occasional "less than" br "greater than" for line breaks, two for paragraph breaks. It may make you seem less rant-y.
Okay
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
10:51:22 AM
Just trying to help.
CHEAP SHOTS!?
by v1cious
Apr 9th, 2008
10:58:22 AM
you put The Walking Dead 48 under CHEAP SHOTS? come on.
Geoff Johns - Nihilist!
by Village Idiot
Apr 9th, 2008
11:03:22 AM
(Can't seem to get my new login to work, so we're going to harken back to the old days with this one.)

My one problem with the "Superman and the Legion of Superheroes" story in ACTION is the fact that the *entire planet* seemed to be accomplices to the bad guys' agenda, and what's more, they seemed to have caved *amazingly quickly*. The only way the planet gets back on track is to be acted upon by outside forces (that is, Superman and the Legion of Superheroes). Where is the Amnesty Int'l of the 31st century? Where is Bono 3008AD? What happened to liberal sanctimony, dammit??? In the final analysis, not a very cheery view of humanity.

But it was a pretty cheery view of superheroics, and I guess that's what we signed up for, right? Gary Frank's art is, honest to Pete, the best thing to hit the Superman titles since 1999. (And yeah, that includes Jim Lee. Suck it.) And any comic that includes a cameo by poor Dr. Zoidberg gets points. All in all, the story was just about worth the time and money for this severely lapsed comic fan.

Now, back to adulthood, and waiting for the last two issues of ALL-STAR SUPERMAN.
Ow! I'm SO hurt Shenjanno!
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
11:04:38 AM
Not at all actually, but keep on trying with such intellectual witticisms. Still bored but always slightly amused at people such as yourself who can't actually debate anything but rather only fling knuckle-dragging comments that insult YOU far more than myself. By the way, what are you, twelve? (My apologies to any 12 year olds for the comparison)
Forgot to give a thumbs-up to tonagan
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
11:22:10 AM
You had me laughing! Sincerely.
Now that's cute
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
11:31:01 AM
It's a slow work day and playing with idiot trolls is a hobby of mine, junior (Seriously, ask any @$$ or Cog). It wasn't a a dissenting opinion that merited the STFU it was (and is) your consistently crass comments which (I repeat) says a lot more about how pathetic (not to mention sad) you actually are kiddo. But hey, when in Rome as they say so: Why dont' you just get your mom to lick it like she did last night and the night before? Oh wait, that's right it was your dad the night before.
Ambush - re: One Week Later
by Felix_Happer
Apr 9th, 2008
11:44:05 AM
Well said. Props.
To Context or Not to Context?
by optimous_douche
Apr 9th, 2008
12:05:01 PM
Dick licking, ginger testicle fondling ass play, and grudel grappling aside (just wanted to cover all bases), it seems the crux of this argument is whether us reviewer type folks should take comic issues on their own merit or whether to look at them in the context of the larger holistic continuity.

As the saying goes, “There’s no pleasing everyone”. And I know first hand the fine line we walk each week as reviewers.

When I started my reviews on AICN, I wanted to put everything into context. I remember my review of Booster Gold #0, where I drew parallels to Johns’ work on this book and Giffen’s work in the 1980’s Justice League.

Topping out at close to 1000 words, this tome to days of yore was met with a bit of talkback venom and griping. “Bug rein these guys in, enough of this remember when blah…blah…blah…”, wrote one irate Talkbacker.

So what do we do as reviewers? We want to please our readership, while still getting enjoyment out of this pro bono activity. Also, many of us have been collecting books for a long time. By pointing out where the book has been and where it’s going is just natural pontification for those of us with a pulp fetish.

Comics are serial in nature, building off of the momentum of past stories. On the same token each new issue brings with it a new air of vitality (or at least it should). I think both sides are right.

I’ve been marketing for fifteen years, and Marvel is indeed trying to capture new readers with Secret Invasion. Companies do not spend marketing dollars without a clear plan of attack. Why didn’t we see Brand new Day in Entertainment Weekly or any other Marvel title as of late? Why? Because EW is a channel to capture non-comic fans. If they just wanted the comic fan base they would have skipped the advertising money and just did an interview with Wizard. Even if the EW piece wasn’t a “paid” advertisement, marvel had to pay marketing dollars to make non-comic pubs aware of this book.

I would have applauded either a contextual review or looking at Secret Invasion with fresh non-jaded eyes as Stone so admirably did.

As I said, no pleasing everyone.

One thing to keep in mind, Hell Pop:
by SleazyG.
Apr 9th, 2008
12:06:50 PM
We're not just here to service comic book readers. Yeah, I know CBR and Newsarama get to the stuff before us. But AICN exists to serve those who appreciate all sorts of pop culture--movies, TV, DVD releases, special events and giveaways, soundtracks even for cryin' out loud. There are a lot of people out there who don't read comics regularly, or go to other comics sites, but when they see our column hit, they go "huh...I wonder what's in there?" Next thing you know, they're reading our stuff all the time, and actually trying out new comics they never would have spotted at their LCS--because they don't go to their LCS. In fact, the one single thing that makes me happiest about this column is when we get a comment in the TB's or via email that says "I don't normally buy comics, but based on your review of Book X I tried it, and I really liked it." We're here in large part to service a community that the other sites don't, and it pays off both for us and for the comics industry, and I'm kinda proud of that.
Reviewers should only write about stuff they already know, huh?
by SleazyG.
Apr 9th, 2008
12:14:30 PM
Wow. So somebody who's went to film school, wrote screenplays, and has now been reviewing movies for a quarter of a century should only review what he knows? Quick, somebody tell Ebert that now that he's coming back, he's not qualified to review the "Sex And The City" movie, because if he hasn't seen all the episodes on cable(or the late night edited-for-TV reruns on WGN here in Chicago) he won't be able to tell if it's good or not.
Oh, wait, that's right: you should be able to judge the *quality* of a piece of entertainment on its own. I forgot.
Look, whether you read the buildup in advance or not, when you're reading the current issue the one rule is this: It Cannot Suck. And I'm sorry, but that's a rule BMB has broken so many times I lost count when I had used up the fingers of everybody who writes for our column listing them all. Shitty writing is shitty writing. PERIOD. And the fact is, BMB has been criticized by us (among many, many, many others) for unwieldy, overly expository dialogue for at least half a decade. Instead of showing us things as they happen, somebody shows up and spends three pages of word balloons *telling* us what happened in the most stilted manner possible. It's a major flaw in his writing, and it's not a new one, and our reviewer said so. I'm hard pressed to find the problem here.
"OK, I think everyone needs to chill a bit about this book."
by ironic_name
Apr 9th, 2008
12:32:03 PM
considering I don't give a shit, nor does anyone else, I'd say thats dunzo.
Hurting people hurt people *sniff*
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
12:38:56 PM

I think someone needs a hug.
BTW regarding Kick-Ass....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
12:44:53 PM
Let's not overlook it as yet another example of Millar's ever so thinly veiled racist tendencies either. Or did it escape anyone reading the book that BOTH sets of gang members didn't have a single caucasian in either? It doesn't really surprise me considering Scotland is on one of the most racist countries there is.
Village Idiot – Action
by optimous_douche
Apr 9th, 2008
12:46:00 PM
I couldn’t agree more with your first paragraph and I actually had an entire paragraph in my review about this point.

While I wasn’t really concerned with where Amnesty International will be 1000 years from now, I wondered how the hell the evil Justice league erased every damn historical record of Superman’s true existence. No matter how good any smear campaign might be, people will not dispute a deluge of documented facts.

Let’s no make mistake that Earth in this title parallels Nazi Germany. What made Hitler so “effective” (God I’m nauseous from writing that) was the fact that were very few books espousing the virtues of Judaism.

Plus in the pre intertube days information was a precious commodity held by only those who could afford it.

It’s only 2008 and the sheer volume of information on the Internet is staggering. Barring any apocalyptic event, I can only see information in the year 3000 being a million times more voluminous.

Fuck off?
by SleazyG.
Apr 9th, 2008
12:46:04 PM
Right, just so we're clear: everybody's welcome to their opinion, as long as it agrees with yours. Anybody who disagrees, or hasn't spent a hundred bucks on the research to review a four dollar issue, or just doesn't give a shit about this crossover, should fuck off.
And *we're* the ones with the problem? Whatever. Surely your lunch break is over by now--don't you think you should be headed to Algebra?
More likely someone needs a shot of penicillin Rock-Me...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
12:49:47 PM
Considering all the 'presents' mommy and daddy likely bring home from their 'work' of turning tricks in alleys & Wal-Mart parking lots.
To a simple (and single) minded feeb, it likely wouldn't
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
01:02:29 PM
I successfully avoided purchasing Winick's Titans!
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
01:04:37 PM
Giant presumed turd came out today, and I refrained from buying it!

I'm so proud of myself.
V1cious - CHEAP SHOTS
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
01:08:48 PM
V1cious, "Cheap Shots" are (usually) not a description of the book being reviewed, but of the review itself.

Every "Cheap Shot" review is pretty much a single-paragraph mini-review instead of the extended diatribe that some of the other books garner, and the amount of text delivered is up to the individual reviewer.

Take a look and see for yourself.
As I understand it, Millar's pretty specific in his scripting
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
01:09:36 PM
By all means, correct me with information if I'm mistaken.
It's Winick so it's assuredly a turd Squash....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
01:10:28 PM
As anything since Barry Ween has been.
scotland
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
01:37:12 PM
i like the out of left field attack on scotland by psynapse. who likes scotland? just a lot of uneducated racist comic book writing bastards if you ask me.
hey, same 4 talkbackers...
by Gatsbys West Egg Omlet
Apr 9th, 2008
01:44:53 PM
get to work. or school. or to your real lives. stop with the online pissing contest.
Yo Squashua!
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
01:55:00 PM
You called it duders. Check this exceprt from Matt Brady's advance review on Newsarama.

**QUOTE:"This is a terrible comic book. Titans #1 fails on nearly every conceivable level. Nearly everything about it is wrong-headed, and closer examination makes it fall apart even further. It’s something like this book, alongside things like Countdown, that reveals profound cracks in the DC editorial process."

matt brady
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
01:57:57 PM
that guy is a racist too...
kick ass...
by blackthought
Apr 9th, 2008
02:01:00 PM
was anything like how the super hype machine that is marvel marketed as...that kid would be dead in issue 1 let alone 2...i have too many problems with that book. realistic my ass...and i only harp on the realism because well that was what was marketed...i wish black adam would show up in that book and punch his head off. hmm...the dark age...sweet.
Really, steverodgers? Okay you asked for it...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:06:00 PM
Try this on for size then: http://tinyurl.com/6a3742

Se e, I may be rude and crass at any given moment but at least I'm not an ignorant simp like you. Next time address a subject you actually know something about dipshit.

Aw crap..we're gonna break the internet!
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:08:32 PM
Shenjanno and I agreed on something! Expect a rain of toads any moment. (*_^)
Funny T-shirt seen online today...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:10:43 PM
"Jersey Girls Aren't trash!!"

"Trash gets picked up."

Newsrama paraphrased as "Titans #1 as a Giant Pile of Shit"
by Squashua
Apr 9th, 2008
02:23:56 PM
TITANS: Destined to suck.
by SleazyG.
Apr 9th, 2008
02:29:18 PM
Not just because nobody gives a shit about these characters apart or as a team. Not just because of killing off characters with so much potential (like Son Of Vulcan) in the so-long-ago-nobody-remembers-i t one-shot intro issue. Not just because it's one too many of the same kind of team book, at a time when TEEN TITANS has far more interesting characters. No, the real reason it was destined to suck in two little words: The Writer.
wow
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
02:29:40 PM
those guys really are racist! at any rate psyapse that was the first time I was ever the object of anyone’s ire on a talkback – you totally broke my talkback cherry. that said I wasn’t trying to get you riled up – I really thought you calling out scotland as a nation of racists was straight hilarious and showed a deft comedic touch.
The I mis-understood and apologize...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:40:02 PM
My ego is NOWHERE near that big. I'm just used to coming under fire for having a determined (and informed I like to think) opinion. That, and when on the internet I'm quite eye-for-an-eye when it comes to insults. Hell, I'm that way everywhere. Scotland DOES have long history of it's courts kind of 'overlooking' murders of minorities wherever and whenever it can. And hey, chweck out Britain's attitudes towards people with HIV overall. We Americans may be an arrogant lot but at least we are at least somewhat more evolved when it comes to these kinds of social situations.
Goddamn typos....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:42:52 PM
That should have been "Then I mis0understood and apologize". Ah well...
Ack! again!
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
02:43:41 PM
.....
oh and...
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
03:00:12 PM
matt brady is obviously not a racists and looks like he is a great reviewer with that spot on criticism of titans #1 and the asleep at the wheel editorial crew that is currently turning DC into a wild steaming shit-pile. Someone should see if he can do some pro-bono work for AICN.
When's the last time you saw a mixed race gang?
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 9th, 2008
03:08:24 PM
That really rarely happens outside the mass media's attempts to be p.c. Sorry.
Well, we're never early. And we take our time.
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
03:10:07 PM
We're like comic-book Viagra.
I was thinking recreational and ubiquitous
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
03:23:36 PM
But all analogies break down eventually.
You were probably think of...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
03:25:35 PM
...yo mama..

by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
03:26:06 PM
*heh*
One of my favorite T-Shirt quotables…
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
03:30:38 PM
"Michael Jackson didn't rape those children… he made love to them."

Also, "Dale Earnhardt… King of the right hand turns."

Sorry to any Nascar fans or people who have been raped by Michael Jackson.

Oh yeah, comic stuff…
Umm....seriously Rev? ALL OVER...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
03:31:07 PM
But I'm from Florida.....
Mixed race gang...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
03:34:26 PM
you mean, like, a bunch of mulattos?
Regardless of whether I'm misinterpreting Millar's racial atitud
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
03:38:19 PM
I'm certainly NOT misunderstanding that he's full of shit (Kick-Ass is realism? Only if you're a delusional Scotsman apparently)nor am I even remotely off-base on the racist attitudes in much of his native country (that article I cited is only one of many sources, by all means research the issue yourselves).
SECRET INVASION Has Potential, But So Did WWHULK
by LaserPants
Apr 9th, 2008
03:38:33 PM
And that ending SUCKED.

I still think the paranoia tension is present, although I CAN'T FUCKING STAND Bendis' dialogue. Everyone has the same goofy, Whedon-Without-Wit snappy/snarky delivery that drives me nuts. I wish Whedon was writing the books, because they would most likely be ALOT better.

All that being said, and this is another one of those things that drives me nuts about these "event" books, is that the tension, the build-up, was established sometime several months ago when the New Avengers found the Elektra Skrull. WHY NOT HAVE THE ACTUAL BOOK START WITH THAT (?!) and then go from there? Wouldn't that make more sense? Wouldn't that be more trade friendly? Novice reader friendly? Why are they so retarded about stuff like this? And you know that the whole thing will be one long cocktease result in some flaccid nothing of an ending. Make it stick and make it hurt! Make the Negative Zone freakout rip the world to shreads and have lasting consequences. Like the whole WWHULK thing. That wasn't a world war! It was a weeklong skirmish in New York that ended with nothing. NOTHING. I mean really now.
BTW-This TB is numbah 4 on AICN right now
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
03:39:10 PM
So take a bow, folks.
I've said it before, I'll say it again...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
03:44:38 PM
Gail Simone could fall into a coma and STILL write better than Bendis.
2 points
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
03:46:43 PM
An uninformed opinion is always less valid than an informed one. That's just basic maths people. So the Secret Invasion review this week is pretty much poorly presented. Sorry Guys. I mean when it criticises the book for not being what it is obviously not meant to be, it loses credibility. This is the payoff of all the backroom shenanigans that have been building since The Avengers relaunch and Secret Wars. The secret is now out - that's the point. My second point? I am so fucking pissed at DC for putting Winick on that Titans book. Back when Wolfman and Perez started their series in the early 80's I loved that book, I was about 12 I think, and would have given up reading comics around then if it wasn't for the Titans and the UK Warrior mag at the time with Alan Moore's Marvelman and V for Vendetta. They have kept me reading for another 25 years! And now they bring back my childhood favourite team with all the original members (grown up! - just like me! - he says in a big girly voice!) and they give it to Winick. Winick. Winick? The second writer ever that has been banned from my standing order bags (after Claremont - but that was in '88). I had to stop buying Green Arrow coz of that reality show attention whore. It was SO FUCKING TEDIOUS. He just ain't a superhero writer - not in his genes. Pedro and me? - great book, really is. Barry Ween? - laugh out loud funny. Green Arrow? FUCKING BORING BORING BORING. Sorry, I wouldn't normally get this upset, but like I said, childhood heroes. The idea of the missed opportunity of bringing them back written by say, oh, I don't know - GEOFF JOHNS!!!, almost makes me wanna cry. Gail Simone would have rocked too.
Boy, Shenjanno...
by stones_throw
Apr 9th, 2008
03:50:56 PM
Marvel has a friend in you. Cuz they're a business they can market their books how they like and no one should call 'em on it? Another 90,000 or so readers like you and they're set!
bendis
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
03:55:13 PM
i have to agree with laserpants. his dialogue has gotten worse and worse. maybe it is just a taste thing – I know he has many supporters (including apparently the people in charge of marvel) – but I just can’t get into it. I did think alias was pretty awesome and i like what Powers I have read. It’s just his mainstream marvel stuff just falls totally flat for me. again though, his books sell like 5 cent hot-cakes – so maybe I just don’t get it.
hey...
by blackthought
Apr 9th, 2008
03:57:00 PM
as a mixed raced man...i'd like to be represented in some form that isn't distasteful...you know, like a zombie in walking dead or something.
Christ, how informed does one have to be to review a Marvel #1?
by stones_throw
Apr 9th, 2008
04:00:02 PM
It's not like I'm writing a physics dissertation here. Marvel's hyped up this big event for months. They've put out a ton of variant covers and tie-ins. I've paid attention to some of the online hullaballoo. As a spare-time reviewer on AICN and a lifelong Marvel fan I decide to see if it holds up. And when I see a comic with tons of clunky exposition that starts halfway into a story from the last few months of AVENGERS, I call bullshit. Yeah, I guess a review by someone who's bought every tie-in and prologue and spends 300 words wondering whether Rocket Raccoon is a Skrull would have been a lot more useful and unbiased.
Rocket Raccoon
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
04:02:25 PM
is not a skrull. he is a kick-ass talking raccoon with a jet-pack. he is awesome. mantlo forever.
Oh Nonono Shenjanno...
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
04:03:36 PM
I am not 'interpreting' fuck all in the 'realism' claim laid on Kick-Ass unless reading the author's VERY OWN WORDS (Seriously, by all means read the CBR and Newsarama interviews with him on it) is an 'interpretation' of the english language.

**DIRECT QUOTE: NRAMA: Let’s get back into the kid who dons the mask and the set up…this is the “real world?”

MM: Right. Our world. The world right outside your window. It's a story about what would happen if you made a suit tonight and went out looking for trouble, using all the great things we love about superhero comics... from secret identities, arch enemies, horrible situations and so on. It's everything we've ever seen happening at once and turned up to eleven.

Uh-huh. Try again you fucking HACK.

As for uninformed opinions, five words:
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
04:06:12 PM
"The emperor has no clothes."

Ninety-nine percent of the time, I would agree with you, steverodgers, but not always.
SECRET INVASION=marketed towards new readers
by stones_throw
Apr 9th, 2008
04:07:42 PM
Yet it also requires detailed revision going back "years" in order to be appreciated? I'm seeing a contradiction there, bud. Ergo my criticism of Marvel.
My Secret Invasion #1 opinion (on the book and this infamous @$$
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:08:03 PM
First off, I just want it to be known that I find Bendis to be wildly inconsistent and in vital need of a good editor as well as needing to take more care with his source material which is something he also has problems with. I've read all of New Avengers and some of Mighty Avengers. I really liked the smaller and more intimate situation of the recent David Mack issue of NA and I hate whenever there are those specifically Bendis thought balloons in MA. I even called him a bald asshole in my review of his Halo: Uprising #2 comic, which hasn't released an issue #3 yet, so hopefully Bungie took my advice. I also thought that House of M was super horrible and even though he didn't write Civil War, I was only able to get through 4 of its 7 issues.

After all that near Bendii-like exposition - I liked Secret Invasion #1. I really liked it for a Bendis book and especially for a "big event" Bendis book. So, way to go you bald asshole! Seriously though, the issue has MAJOR stuff happen in it like (SPOILERS) the reveal of three Skrulls, the destruction of SWORD, the apparent destruction of the Hellicarrier, the implosion of the Baxter Building, Reed getting shot in the face, Iron Man being infected with a virus that brought down some of the previous things listed and the Avengers teams meeting in the Savage Land where their first mission was and seeing a dozen+ characters that may or may not be Skrulls appear in a Skrull crashed ship.

Call me crazy, but that sounds pretty damn entertaining for a superhero comic. Like someone mentioned, the reveal that their are Skrulls secretly hiding isn't the main point of the story, it's the ramifications of it, which is usually where Bendis wouldn't go. Usually, Secret Invasion #1 would be issue #7 or #8 of 8 in the series, but having the shit hit the fan in the first issue hopefully will force his hand and bald head to really keep the mix of plot and action happening for 7 more issues. Hopefully. Hell, I'm still not sure he can do that, but so far, so good in my book.

So, yes, I disagree with the review and think it was handled a bit carelessly, but no hard feeling Stones. I also think that Shenjanno has made some good points among his many posts regarding the review itself, although the outcome or continuing debate seems to be stuck in the mud and some things have been a little trite. I liked the Aliens example though. Can't argue with that.

That's my opinion anyways. I say praise Bendis when you can because I've seen FAR WORSE from him and if everything he wrote that involved superheros was this good I'd be fine with it.
Oops, I meant to say "ian216a"
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
04:08:21 PM
not steverodgers. To YOU I say: Mantlo forever, indeed. More Rocket Raccoon.
stones_throw
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
04:12:59 PM
To answer your question... just informed enough. :) A question for you though - you been tempted to go back and read all this background stuff that people had been talking about, or do you just want to stab out the eyes of all these bitching fan-boys on the TB? Have to admit, you are getting it kinda harsh today.
Btw, Am I The Only A$$Hole Who Loves CROSSING MIDNIGHT?
by LaserPants
Apr 9th, 2008
04:16:46 PM
Its a Vertigo book and its aces. Some weird Japanese modern myth fantasy war thang. Its really, REALLY good, and I haven't seen one mention of it here. Anyone else digging this book or am I alone?
rock-me Amodeo
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
04:19:59 PM
true - there can be wisdom gained from the innocence of naivity (as beautifully demonstrated in the last 12 years of South Park), but that wisdom is usually kinda more profound than whether a funnybook is good or not :)
Real life Superheros presented in comics?
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:22:22 PM
JMS', Supreme Power was unique and didn't devolve into normal super heroics when it was under the MAX imprint. Afterwards? Not so much…
amen
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
04:23:21 PM
you can never have enough rocket raccoon or really any of the mantlo helmed comics. i think the skrulls would find themselves in some serious trouble if ROM came back to town.
Maybe in Florida, Psynapse
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 9th, 2008
04:25:08 PM
Out here in Georgia, black folks do their thing the hood, Latin Kings and other Mexican gangs are out in their areas... I don't know about Asian gangs. And there's not much of a white gang presence, at least not in an major way (excepting suburban teenagers who think they're hard, and skinheads). No Mulatto gangs at all that I know of, though that's an intriguing concept.
I'm with Stones here....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
04:25:41 PM
I thought SI#1 sucked rancid (and pustulent for that matter) donkey balls. And if we're gonna tout the great 'nod to continuity' are you REALLY gonna try to seel FUCKING PHOENIX as a skrull dupe? Really? Guess no one involved with SI has actually read any of that characters history. And then there's Yu's depiction of the Shuttle Wolverine in a mask that was NEVER seen after Hulk #181?!? Continuity my ass...
Re: LaserPants - Best American Horror Movie
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:26:10 PM
Way off topic, but I remember you said that Hostel was the best American horror movie of the last 20 years and asked what could compete. I'd say, May is a far better horror movie. Way more subtle too. Then there's the recent, The Mist. Also, The Blair Witch Project and Requiem For A Dream is definitely horrifying I'd say.

Haven't read, Crossing Midnight. Sorry. I like the title though.
I'm right in thinking that Mantlo wrote micronauts too aren't I?
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
04:28:13 PM
It did raise big smiles from me when I saw a comic with both Rocket Raccon AND Bug in it. I seem to remember Bill Mantlo doing some kiss-ass Defenders books too. Where did he get to?
Oh I've seen that too Rev....
by Psynapse
Apr 9th, 2008
04:28:29 PM
I've just also seen thug groups of brown and white folk from time to time as well. Asians it seems are TRULY insular no matter where you go though.
As for Kick-Ass...
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 9th, 2008
04:28:50 PM
...I haven't read it. But I'm sure Millar got his inspiration from folks like this http://articles.citypages.com/ articles/2008-01-16/feature/su perheroes-in-real-life/
SHIT!!
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
04:30:49 PM
just looked him up on Wikipedia - "In 1992, Mantlo was struck by a car while rollerblading. He suffered severe head trauma and spent over a year in a coma. He has since been institutionalized and is not expected to fully recover." - That's horrible
mantlo
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
04:32:16 PM
I believe unfortunately he had a stroke and I read somewhere that he still likes fan mail. he did micronauts too. the guy was great - he wrote really fun comics.
SHIT!
by steverodgers
Apr 9th, 2008
04:34:07 PM
stuck by a car? awful. i feel like he has a website out there where you can send him stuff. i might be totally wrong. like i was on the stroke thing. its a real shame. his work was really great.
Shenjanno re: Supreme Power
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:34:50 PM
True, but wasn't there people in those cars and didn't they leave a bunch of bodies in the wake of all their super powered fighting? They might have fought like super powered people would in say JLA, but the outcome, the aftermath was what was real because it showed it. I think so anyway, it's been a while since I read that. I love when Hyperion was pissed and basically told everyone to fuck off when he crashed into earth like a comet. That was awesome. Then there was other things like when Hyperion did something with his laser eyes underwater and then you see the dead fish rise to the surface and the fight with Doc Spectrum was in the safari wasn't it? I think I remember dead elephants and other animal life in the wake of that too. Man, I wish that book could have stayed MAX.
Secret Invasion is a ripoff of BSG
by mrfan
Apr 9th, 2008
04:50:49 PM
Instead of who is a Cylon it is who is a Skrull. Once again Marvel steals an idea.
Skrulls or not Skrulls in the ship…
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:52:31 PM
I think there is at least one or two "real" characters in there (bets on Beast, Luke Cage, Hawkeye being real, just guessing). I liked just seeing that Wolverine costume and Phoenix in gneral, BUT IF they are the "real" characters (which wouldn't be unlike Bendis) then I'd have major issues with it, specifically with that iteration of Wolverine and Jean Grey. And as for Yu, I think his stuff looks great in the book. Looks like he had more time with it and the inks from Morales really help. Obviously Laura Martin kicks ass.
See what you mean, Shenjanno.
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
04:56:16 PM
Well said.
HOSTEL 2 was better than HOSTEL.
by SleazyG.
Apr 9th, 2008
04:57:16 PM
Fact.
Secret Bitching
by Jinxo
Apr 9th, 2008
05:03:40 PM
I have to say, Stones Throw did get me thinking about Secret Invasion i ways I hadn't. Okay, the point is to do a "smart" Skrull story, where they really take full advantage of what they can do. But while it is cool to take a new more mature approach to the story, I think the event would have benefitted from more old school execution. Based on the first issue this doesn't come off as a self contained event. You do come into the story in progress with lots of plot elements popping in in ways that don't pay off. Okay, not EVERYTHING has to pay off in one issue but, come on. There is so much in the book just hanging out not making immediate sense that by the time you get to the surprise ending it sort of feels more like just one more thing that will make sense later.

Again, why can't you do a smart plot but put a little of the old school comic melodrama back in there? Give me a sneering villain semi-explaining things, setting things up, something other than utter "What's going on?" madness.

And, surprisingly, I think this "We-ve been planning and dropping hints for years" thing is maybe pissing me off more than an after the fact retcon move. Reading the stuff where they chuckle and go, "Oh, hahaha, you will definitely want to go back and reread years worth of comics looking for the clues!" Yeah, guess what? I don't want to do that. I don't want to be digging through a billion comics trying to ferret out hints so cleverly dropped I couldn't see them. And they name check all these huge events going, "Oh yes, the Skrulls had a hand in those things." Really? The Skrulls had a hand in House Of M? Because here's the thing. If they had a hand in it that made no real impact then I don't care. ANd if it turns out they did have a big hand in it, one that once reveals makes House Of M worthwhile and not a waste of time, then that will piss me off. The idea that they were so busy laying in secret unrevealed drama, making sure that THAT worked while leaving the actual story/event of the moment feeling flat... that would be annoying as hell. Now with the Skrull info revealed House Of M pops better! Yeah, I kinda wanted it to pop then.

I'm reading. I think it will be okay. But I do wish it was more old school, more self contained and self-explanatory than it looks to be.
Still haven't seen, Hostel 2…
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
05:09:44 PM
but I doubt it is better than May or any of the others I listed.

Not sure about the time line of the events, but I think Bendis may have actually been planning this legitimately since New Avengers, which was about four years ago.

Yu, I like sometimes, mostly when I've read/seen a string of work that is more real looking ala Gary Frank or JH Williams III. I think Yu's work is a nice break in style, but when he's rushed it is super sloppy and his chins and faces in general bug me.

I'd only guess that Hawkeye is real coming out of the ship because of Bendis fucking with the character so much and him getting a kick out of it, but I hope it's a Skrull too. Same goes for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.
I Like HOSTEL Better Than HOSTEL 2
by LaserPants
Apr 9th, 2008
05:10:46 PM
But I LOVE that HOSTEL 2 shows us the whole terrible business from the point of view of the people who pay to torture. That was really interesting and very creepy, because I am convinced that places like that exist. Its an eerily plausible premise.

That being said, TheHeathen, I think that HOSTEL easily beats MAY (which I thought was rather silly), BLAIR WITCH (not scary, but a good experiment), and REQUIEM FOR A DREAM (amazing soundtrack, so-so movie). But thats just my opinion. I liked those movies too, but not as much as HOSTEL.

Someone mentioned before that SILENCE OF THE LAMBS was the best American horror film of the last 20 years. I'm inclined to agree with that, actually.
Silence of the Lambs
by The Heathen
Apr 9th, 2008
05:19:35 PM
Yeah, that may be true.

I like Hostel, but think that the movies I mentioned are better overall, maybe not The Mist, but the others I think so. I really love May though. Oh well, just wanted to follow up. Thought it was a good discussion topic. : )
Just beyond the last 20 years but...
by Jinxo
Apr 9th, 2008
05:27:03 PM
...just rewatched The Fly remake and that still holds up pretty welll as a gut churning and unsettling film.
Hey, only 150 more posts...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
05:43:15 PM
and we'll be the number one talkback for several whole hours! Woot!
How
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
07:36:31 PM
many
more
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
07:36:50 PM
posts
did
by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
07:37:09 PM
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by ian216a
Apr 9th, 2008
07:37:44 PM
I know - I know. Cheap gag.
Burma Shave
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 9th, 2008
08:22:30 PM
Now THAT'S a cheap gag...
Oh Yeah, Cronenberg's THE FLY Is Horrifying and Insane
by LaserPants
Apr 9th, 2008
08:27:19 PM
One of the creepiest, most disturbing, and stomach-churning films I've ever seen. Good call Jinxo. But that was 1986, right? Just outta the 20 year range.

Anyways, I bet Brundlefly is a Skrull! Hotcha!
...
by blackthought
Apr 9th, 2008
09:23:22 PM
i miss jeff goldblum.
The Fly
by Jinxo
Apr 9th, 2008
10:46:23 PM
The thing that also surprised me was that the film had a couple moments that actually made me laugh hard. Like, he's crawling around on the ceiling osrt of embracing the situation. Geena Davis is watching horrified. Then he pulls up his shirt to show her some horrible growth and very playfully goes, "Hey look. WHat's this? I dunno." Like he's showing her bad deformed disease tissue but he's acting like it's a cute nick nack. So wrong.
Oooo, scary movies...
by Ambush Bug
Apr 10th, 2008
12:53:03 AM
Some of my favorite ones:

Black Christmas (original)
When a Stranger Calls (original, both for the same reason)
Session 9 (spooky as hell ghost in an asylum movie)
Rosemary's Baby (paranoia at it's best)
Jacob's Ladder (the worst trip to hell I've ever seen)
28 Days Later (best zombie movie in years)
Takashi Miike's Audition (slow build but big, big payoff in the end)
Se7en (cause, c'mon, it's damn good)
John Carpenter's The Thing
Jaws (both for obvious reasons)
and the scene with the crazy old bum in David Lynch's Mullholland Drive makes me jump every time.
Best FLY memory
by Ambush Bug
Apr 10th, 2008
12:55:33 AM
It was my thirteenth birthday and I convinced my mom to take my brother, my best friend, and myself to see ALIENS, THE FLY, and THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PART TWO all at the same theater. Best birthday ever and the best mom in the world for letting me have it.
I'd just like to add that I didn't hate SECRET INVASION...
by stones_throw
Apr 10th, 2008
02:03:01 AM
I'm pretty neutral on it. My review was more about the hype and promotion, and I did add that if you'd been following the whole build-up you'd probably like it. I didn't think it was terrible by any means. But I didn't feel any of the supposedly big events (like the explosion of the space station, the Baxter Building) because of the jokey tone and the lack of grounding. And no, development that happens outside of SECRET INVASION #1 doesn't count as development when considering an all-new #1 on its own merits.
Can someone just shoot Quesada, Bendis, and Millar?
by IndustryKiller!
Apr 10th, 2008
05:56:16 AM
I cannot remember in my entire lifetime of reading comic books a trifecta that had such a horrible effect on an established universe for the sake of what seems like nothing more than pure uncut narcissism. At least when Todd Mcfarlane and Rob Leifield decided to suck they started their own comic book company to do it in. These clowns at Marvel will be remembered as the terrorists of the comic book world years from now. Taked about in the annals typically reserved for Spider Mans clone saga. I mean how many HORRIBLE major crossovers do these fucking dickheads have to write before the fans drag them out into the streets? However tough we have been on them thus far, it isn't enough. The @$$holes here should dedicate a weekly article to talking about how awful Marvel comics are under this sickening dictatorship of creativity with these blowhard prick writers.
Jinxo, Bendis be old school?
by IndustryKiller!
Apr 10th, 2008
06:12:14 AM
hahahaha not in a million years. To even suggest that he might benefit from something like that is the very definition of futility. That would take away the very essence of its Bendisness. Every panel and every page wouldn't reek of his cynical overly written mark. See the whole point is that no character is showcased other than Brian Michael bendis. If you can get through two pages of any comic he has written and it hasn't been drilled into the very nether regions of your skull exactly who the writer is then, god dammit, he has failed in his mission. I make it sound like he's a terrible writer in general, he isn't. But he's one of the worst mainstream comic book writers in the history of the medium. Devastating well established characters in his unholy attempt to leave his ark on everything he touches. I really which he would take his dialogue skills and just man up and write some fucking screenplays because that is very obviously what he wants to do. Guys like him and mark Millar are clearly just wannabe hollywood writers who can't seem to bring themselves to step up to the plate.
Are Big Events Really Big Events Anymore?
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
06:33:40 AM
As I was catching up on the TB’s , a lot of people have been using the descriptor “Big Event” to refer to Secret Invasion.

House of M was dubbed a Big Event, as was Civil War. If you are a follower of the mutant titles the whole Messiah Complex storyline was also dubbed a Big Event.

I’m truly starting to become desensitized to Big Events, because every fucking issue I read these days, on both sides of the big houses, is an infinitesimal part of a Big Event.

Hey, I enjoy a good cross-over story as much as the next guy. I’ve also never been cheap with my comic buys, so this is not a money issue. But does anyone remember when the cross-over or cross tie-in events used to be special and only happen like once a year?

It feels like as of late every “chestnut” title is engrained in a year long story arc that ties-in to some other over arching universe shattering event.

I’m probably just being an old fuck, suffering from juvenile Alzheimer’s disease, but I remember when big events took you by surprise, they were contained between one to two titles, and they were over in like three months.

I enjoyed the living hell out of Uncanny 496 (for the first time in a long time) because it didn’t harp the shit storm surrounding the mutant titles. It touched on it briefly and then showed three characters I have grown to love over the past thirty years of my life, just being themselves.

My point is that these big events are turning into the boy who cried wolf. I hope after Final Crisis and Secret Invasion, the dust finally settles and both houses get back to great self-contained story telling.

Big Events - when everything is special...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 10th, 2008
08:31:29 AM
...nothing is.
Shen do u read?
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
09:01:47 AM
I wasn't bashing your coveted SI #1. I enjoyed the book.

Rock-Me got the point. When everything is an event, you can no longer call them events. They are just regular bloated stories.

When you no longer steal your comic money from your Mom's purse, perhaps you will be a bit more critical on where your hard earned comic dollars are being spent.

And if you think I'm old, most of your coveted newsarama reviewers are in their forties.

I didn't love Secret Invasion....BUT!
by Shigeru
Apr 10th, 2008
09:12:23 AM
That review was SO DAMN NITPICKY that I wanted to punch a kitten halfway through it. Damnation, it seemed like you were writing it whilst trying to push out a log that had been in yer body for like a week....and took out all your frusrtation on the book. I mean some of it was just plain wrong (ie nothing happened.

I'd also like to re-iterate what Heath said: "the reveal that their are Skrulls secretly hiding isn't the main point of the story, it's the ramifications of it, which is usually where Bendis wouldn't go. "
frusrtation
by Shigeru
Apr 10th, 2008
09:15:22 AM
that is not a word
Obviously Shenjanno doesn't know squat about comics.
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
09:20:49 AM
Half of the writers and artists are in the comic industry not for the love of comics anymore. It is simply a fast buck for them. Something for them to do until a "real job" comes their way. They think they will be writing for Hollywood movies, the great American novel, or something else. They have no clue nor respect for the medium for the fans or the characters. Civil War was pathetic. Now, they are stealing ideas from Battlestar Galactica. Who is a Skrull is just a little too close as to who is a Cylon. Pathetic.
I agree with both of Industrykillers posts...
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
09:21:08 AM
Quesada (who is about to be replaced by Brevoort as EIC if the rumors are true), Millar, and Bendis (3 egos the size of manhattan no less) are the bag of dicks if you ask me.
Not a communist. A comicist.
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
09:32:48 AM
It would be nice to have people in the industry care about what they are giving the public and the fans. Have some thought about the direction of characters, some that have been around almost fifty years. No, they are just slopping out whatever they can. Getting the money and running with no consideration to the important people: The Fans.
The thing is Psynapse...
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
09:35:02 AM
is that none of three have produced anything spectacular.
shenjanno
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 10th, 2008
09:48:01 AM
I'm sorry, did I pull your string? No, I didn't.

Okay, NOW I've pulled your string. Give me your opinion, which neither I nor the internet can live without. Give me your unique view, that is so special...like everyone else's.

Respond to me, my puppet.
If you define sales figures as an example of quality...
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
09:49:38 AM
I will simply point out that Michael Bolton has sold MILLIONS of records. Paris Hilton and Britney Spears CONTINUE to make headlines. Ergo facto: The masses are ignorant sheep/lemming hybrids (though not without their willing spokespeople as the existence of Shenjanno attests to).
mrfan is wrong about one thing:
by Shigeru
Apr 10th, 2008
09:55:26 AM
Bendis' early B&W (I have heard) are spectacular. Ultimate Spider-Man is really fucking good, with spectacular moments.

Millar: The Ultimates (in my and a lot of people's opinions) was absolutely spectacular. As was The Authority with Frank Quitely.

Quesadilla hasn't done shit.
Show me numbers.
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
09:57:00 AM
I would love to know exactly how well your "favorite" issues are selling right now. By all means back up your claims that comics are headed in the right direction. Also, I would be very interested in entertaining me with what great comic legacy any of the three will leave. What great storylines will be forever remembered? Please let the praise begin.
if the amazing shark-jumping spiderman...
by RealDoubleJ
Apr 10th, 2008
10:00:39 AM
...has taught us anything it's that not all marvel zombies will agree with the company line. Shenjanno, you've got too much free time. Go out & do something. Failing that, read the fucking comics you like & stop bitching about someone else's opinion
Look at my post
by Shigeru
Apr 10th, 2008
10:01:01 AM
I have nothing to do with shenjammo but Millar and Bendis WILL be remembered, if not for Civil War and Secret Invasion
Shigeru,
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
10:04:58 AM
I will admit that everyone, including me, has different tastes in comics. To each their own. I can respect that.
Quesada has made Marvel good again...
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
10:06:51 AM
after the dark age of the 90's "speculator" boom.

For the first time in literally DECADES, Marvel has regained its social relevance and it's atmosphere of "anything can happen"--just like in its heyday of the 60's.

Civil War was fantastic. People who cry "out of character" probably haven't been readin' comics for very long... and most certainly have nothing.

Spider-man is also the best that he's been in many years. Due to great ideas implemented under Quesada.

So, basically haters can drink their haterade... and then come here to post about all the Marvel comics that they just bought and read.

Man, we're never gonna catch Turdblossom at this rate.
by Squashua
Apr 10th, 2008
10:11:17 AM
Seriously.
Shenjanno, a warning...
by Ambush Bug
Apr 10th, 2008
10:17:27 AM
We don't really stand for trolls here at AICN Comics. If you want to play, play nice. Be respectful. Don't instigate a fight and certainly don't announce that you want to spend the eight hours making perosonal attacks. A post simply reading "Fuck You." is not acceptable around here. I let it slide yesterday because you do seem like a person who wants to talk about comics and occasionally you have some interesting things to say. But I'm going to be nice and give you this warning that you've crossed the line a few too many times. I hate to ban (only done it to one person who used to log in under different names and attack the reviewers instead of focusing on the reviews), but your teetering my friend. Play nice or you're gone.
Someone's going to look at this a few days from now...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 10th, 2008
10:17:52 AM
...and think, why were they trying to catch a turdblossom?
Agree with Shigeru and Shenjanno
by Ian The Mick
Apr 10th, 2008
10:20:06 AM
That SI review wasn't really a review, right? Why bother posting a review if you haven't read anything leading to this event. Some of the comments posted were better then the review itself.
Well by that argument....
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
10:22:05 AM
If I'm an idiot then YOU are most certainly a scumbag fuckwit oh charming waste of gas. Black Market Arms dealing and Human Slavery are also businesses (and thriving ones JUST like Marvel!). Doesn't make them a good thing by a long shot. But hey, it's cool I get it. Trolling and Flaming on AICN is the only way you're gonna get any attention outside of the backdoor action Daddy likes to give you along with Mommy's 'special touches'.
millar
by steverodgers
Apr 10th, 2008
10:23:13 AM
just needs to be kept off the mainstream books. ultimates is a masterpiece. civil war as a long time reader of marvel just didn't ring true to me. cap calling iron man a rich punk or whatever... what was that? i thought enemy of the state was pretty rad - but maybe that was because JRJR was drawing the hell out of it.
"cap calling iron man a rich punk or whatever... what was that?"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
10:38:16 AM
THAT was one of the best moments in a comic with a lot of great moments.

It was also completely in character.

Not to mention...
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
10:38:55 AM
the fact that he calls him a "pampered" punk. Not "rich".
"pampered"
by steverodgers
Apr 10th, 2008
10:47:09 AM
well that does makes that line a lot funnier - and i agree it was a cool thing to say (although not as awesome as the "do you think the "a" stand for france” line) – but i just don't see how it was in character for marvel u cap – it threw me right out of the book - so i would honesty be interested in how you think it was.
"I'm digging the new Fantastic Four so far."
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
10:48:58 AM
I'm not. It seems a little bit flat to me. Not the best by Ellis or Hitch.

I wish FF would make a really outrageous return to dynamism... and Hitch's art isn't it. I'm sick of realistic looking actors drawn in as Marvel characters. Just one more way to make comics as boring as most TV and movies. We're already hiring enough of their crappy writers as it is.

My perspective is just fine thank you very much...
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
10:51:26 AM
You declared me a moron based on the fact that there is larger quantity of (by your own statement) indidviduals who support terrible things (and you are aghast at it, again by your own post) but this okay, because the entity being supported is a business (3rd time I'll say it: your own words) as if that somehow legitimizes the situation. I then point out some example of businesses whose product I find abhorrent as a reflective commentary on your statement of legitimization. Dude you're just arguing for the sake of having anrgument here and it's blatantly obvious. We obviously disagree on a lot and I'm totally willing to debate these things ('Cuz hey, you DO manage to make some intersting points at times) but try to actually debate okay?
"pampered"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
10:56:45 AM
Being as your talkback handle is "steverogers" I'd imagine you know about the character already.

He's a poor, scrawny kid who had such a great desire to be involved in the war effort that he volunteered himself to the super-soldier program. He's tough as nails and fought nazis in WWII. He's the "by the people, for the people" guy in the equation. He's the guy who goes AGAINST the corrupt government when he has to. Compared to him, Stark IS a pampered punk--and he's callin' it like he sees it.

Not to mention that Stark's character totally IS a pampered punk. Who'd disagree with that?

So... I'd be interested to know why it "threw you out of the book" and what could possibly make you think it was out of character. I would say the onus is on you to provide evidence to the contrary... not on me to explain the obvious.

"its just two issues"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:01:01 AM
I think it might be three now. I hope there's a "big blow up"... and I hope I'm still readin' at that point and that I don't drop it because I'm bored.

...and I don't want to see FF "move away from the super hero stuff."

That sounds a little bit dumb.

Glad you like Hitch. He's great for an Ultimate title, I guess. Don't think he works for FF though.

"pampered"
by steverodgers
Apr 10th, 2008
11:09:23 AM
I just never really saw him as a guy with class issues. i would think that he would respect that tony got rich buy creating a wildly successful company on the strength of his inventions and business acumen. I’m not saying that he might not have some lingering issues with tony, but calling him “rich” and “pampered” just seemed a bit un-cap like – more like something that hawkeye would say.
Did he call him rich? Or just pampered?
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:10:54 AM
Just pampered.
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:11:49 AM
Not rich.
"I just never really saw him as a guy with class issues."
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:13:38 AM
Neither do I. Pampered and rich mean two different things.

Are you rich yourself? Is that why it bothered you? Maybe you should change your talkback handle to tonystark.

steverodgers
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:14:37 AM
So... do you got anything else, or is that it?
"FF aren't heroes like the Avengers"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:23:41 AM
No, they're different. Because not all heroes are the same. Because there are no rules to superheroing.

As far as the "they're not superheroes" argument goes... I think we can put this baby to bed.

They're obviously superheroes.

What have you got?

"They aren't superheroes because they explore?"

"They aren't superheroes because they don't have secret identities?"

"They're not superheroes because they wear their costumes a lot?"

"They're not superheroes because they're not the Avengers?"

I mean, none of that shit makes sense.

Glad you like the new FF comic. It's boring to me so far, but maybe that's because I've read all the previous FF comics that Marvel has published and it doesn't quite hold up to Kirby's stuff. But please, enjoy it all you like.

I just don't think you're gonna be able to convince anyone that the FF aren't superheroes.

Not really Shen....
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
11:23:59 AM
The mishandling (hey you did say it) is happening under the regime of a morally bankrupt hypocrite ('Cuz hey, smoking is BAD, but reality-altering deals with a being of evil incarnate is A-Okay!). Granted, Quesada IS a relatively lightweight evil but an evil nonetheless. I agree, the 'businesses' I cited ARE far, far worse than Marvel Comics but your argument was about legitimization based on an entity being a business and that's what I argued against. Also, your comment about 'making money is THE American way' doesn't in any fashion make that a good thing necessarily. Because along with all of that money being made is a shitload of toxic and environmentally harmful waste product as well. Jingoistic embracement of capitalism as an ideal is not only reckless but downright retarded if you consider even for a moment the impact on other species and future generations of our own.
"talkback handle to tonystark."
by steverodgers
Apr 10th, 2008
11:25:10 AM
oh, i think i'm done after that. that was hilarious.
"i think i'm done after that."
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:26:44 AM
How convenient for you.
Psynapse
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:30:07 AM
You're kinda lookin' like a crazy person now. I mean, Quesada is EVIL? A little perspective, dude.

Also, not to split hairs or anything, but you should look into the difference between storylines in Spider-man comics and reality, O.K.?

See that's just it....
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
11:34:42 AM
The greatest of evils are often perpetrated by individuals who are convinced they are doing the right thing. Sound a lot like Quesada to me. And OF COURSE I'm a crazy person but hey Pot? It's Kettle here.
Oh and just because our opinions don't agree..
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
11:35:46 AM
Doesn't make yours 'right' as opposed to my mine. Tolerance is about tolerating that which you disagree with not what you can get along with.
"hey Pot?"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:38:27 AM
My names not Pot. I'm not doing anything near as crazy as calling a guy EVIL because he won't let Wolverine smoke.

You're being a little over the top with that one.

Please come back once you've got something other than the "I know you are but what am I" line.

You got nothing but a big bundle of crazy right now.

I don't think I'm being intolerant of your craziness.
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:39:38 AM
I'm just pointing it out is all.

You have every right to be crazy.

Ultimate spiderman is a great read... regular... is a snooze fes
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
11:42:02 AM
Wrong again.

Strike that. Reverse it.

this TB
by Shigeru
Apr 10th, 2008
11:54:10 AM
just shat the bed
Amen Shig
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
12:00:34 PM
See ya. (Since my opinions though radical also make me insane and delusional what's the point of debating topics with people who are never anything but correct in their own assumptions).
Psynapse - It's Not The Being Correct...
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
12:15:46 PM
that bothers me.

Hell, you should think your opinion is the right one, otherwise why have it.

What's bothersome is the inability to listen (in this case read) to a conflicting point without retaliating with base name calling as the lead in.

Hey, I get it. This is a message board, where flaming was conceived. I've done it in the past when my ire gets raised and perhaps I am a Nancy Boy, but I believe in civility.

That's just how I roll.

Woudl hate to lose you Psynapse, you have some good things to say.

We're all good Shen
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
12:44:37 PM
I think you're a great contributor man and I do agree with you most of the time.

Debate, I'm cool with, and I will be the first to admit my flaws or when I'm wrong.

Different strokes for different folks makes the world go around.

My issue is when people derail the topic to just throw out a personal barb or a jab during these verbal parles.

Seems unecessary and it veers the topic way the hell off point.

That's my only issue.

But, like I said earlier...I could be wrong.

Psynapse
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
12:45:24 PM
You're martyring yourself a bit too much. Much like Shenjanno.

You called Quesada EVIL because he won't let Wolverine smoke in comics. I said that sounds crazy because it does.

Let me say that: I would rather have Wolverine, The Thing, and Nick Fury all puffin' stogies. But do I think that Quesada is EVIL because he says they can't? No.

I have the ability to disagree with that editorial directive without placing him in the same category as Hitler. You don't. Hence the crazy.

Do I know the difference between reality and Spider-man comics? Yes.

Just run away when you've got nothing to say and you've been made to look foolish--following the example of the inappropriately named "steverodgers".

You take it personal Shenjanno
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
12:46:31 PM
So personal that you have to resort to cussing. So personal that one of the moderators has to scold you.

You are right about one thing though. It is a message board. No one is going to agree on everything.

Enough With the Etiquette Lessons - Comics
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
12:47:59 PM
Final Crisis... Flaming turd or the salvation of comics??? GO!
"Regular Spider-man, snooze-o-rama"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
12:55:16 PM
Yeah, who'd want an awesome comic by Dan Slott and Steve McNiven when you can have a piece of shit by Bendis & Bagley?

Whatever.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one and go our separate ways.

Good luck with all the arbitrary "rules" that you've cooked up in your head--and with convincing people that the Fantastic Four aren't superheroes. You'll need it, kid.

"Trying is the point, not succeeding."

Lucky for you.

"Flaming turd or the salvation of comics?"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:00:24 PM
Neither, while leaning toward the latter?

It's hard to believe it won't be good.

It's better to talk about stuff that's actually out though.

You are right about DC.
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
01:02:06 PM
The same thing can be said about Marvel. People behind the scenes of both companies think that it is an easy fix. Whenever sales slip a little they decide to reboot,restart, or eliminate the character(s). Easy way out.
DC
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:03:09 PM
DC doesn't have continuity anymore, they have superconsistency. It's better. It's why they're soaring under the guidance of Grant.

...and NO, nobody wants to ignore Rainbow Batman. Rainbow Batman rules!

mrfan
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:04:17 PM
That's exactly the opposite of what's going on at both companies right now.
First Crisis Good
by optimous_douche
Apr 10th, 2008
01:04:51 PM
I think the first Crisis was necessary. You had a stable of heroes, some of which aged and some didn't. They needed a fix.

I think the problem now is the back to back to ones.

OK, you had Infinite Crisis, which sort of reset things. Then we had 52, which brought back the multi-verse. OK I like "What If" stories, so this is as good a way as any to address alternate universes.

I just don't know what they are trying to acheive with Final Crisis.

I tend to avoid all spoiler sites and pubs, so those of you that read Previews, enlighten me please if you have the answer.

Shenjanno
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:05:42 PM
"I avoided Spider-man like the plague until Bendis came along."

That's probably why you know so little about what you're talking about.

"what they are trying to acheive with Final Crisis"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:09:26 PM
The death of the Fourth World and the birth of the Fifth World.

...and, um, entertaining comics?

The first Crisis was the epitome of unnecessary. It's why they had to fix it.

Wait I'm not THAT crazy...
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
01:15:32 PM
But I think some people are lacking in reading comprehension skills. To wit:

Equate. Verb-1. to regard, treat, or represent as equivalent: We cannot equate the possession of wealth with goodness. 2. to state the equality of or between; put in the form of an equation: to equate growing prosperity with the physical health of a nation. 3. to reduce to an average; make such correction or allowance in as will reduce to a common standard of comparison.

Compare. Verb-1. to examine (two or more objects, ideas, people, etc.) in order to note similarities and differences: to compare two pieces of cloth; to compare the governments of two nations. 2. to consider or describe as similar; liken: Shall I compare thee to a summer's day? 3. Grammar. to form or display the degrees of comparison of (an adjective or adverb).

I was making comparisons NOT equating. I know the difference but my detractors apparently do not.

"Headband Supergirl HAD to die"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:17:23 PM
A death sentence over a fashion choice? You are an extremist.

Couldn't she have just changed her costume back?

...and you're right that it wasn't "unnessecary"--it was unnecessary.

Big difference.

Yo Jeff...
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
01:23:20 PM
let me clarify my Quesada stance then: I DO think he IS an evil influence on the comics industry but then I also think the same of Dan Didio. The editorial direction of BOTH companies reeks of a singular egotism rather than what is good for BOTH the company AND the industry as a whole. And hey, I'm ALL FOR both companies being prosperous businesses. I'm a lifelong comics reader (started at 4 still going at 40). BUT..I witnessed firsthand what can happen when the big 2 pander to the commercial dollar without restraint. It was known as the speculator boom of the 90's (umpteen foil covers anyone?) and it really did damn near implode the industry (Not to mention wrecked several properties, I don't think the X-men will ever quite recover).
I can explain Final Crisis: It's NOT what you may think it is
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
01:28:32 PM
FC is Grant Morrison's personal stamp on the DCU as a whole. In case you aren't aware, Didio recently had to make a flight over to Scotland to talk with Morrison because FC does NOT grow out of Countdown no matter what you may have heard. It is actually a continuation of the 7 Soldiers/ Mr. Miracle series (Evil won remember?) and several other of Morrison's DCU stories. It Grant Morrison doing Ragnarok of the current DCU. DC Universe #0 was created to create 'some' kind of bridge between Countdown and FC because Morrison could give two shits about Didio's editorially mandated hack fest.
Psynapse
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:33:49 PM
Semantics aside, Quesada is a real person and Spider-man is not.

Smoking causes cancer in the real world. The one Quesada (a real person) lives in.

Neither Spider-man nor Mephisto exist in the real world. The one where Quesada edits superhero comics for children.

I don't care if you're comparing or equating, personally. It doesn't really make a difference. I never said you were equating anyway. But I will say that your comparison sucks because it's stupid.

What you need to try to understand is that some comparisons are valid and some are not. But I don't have time to teach a logic class here.

Good luck to you in your future endeavors, sir! You will most certainly need it as much as Shenjanno. You're two sides of the same retarded coin.

Hey Jeff?
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
01:38:48 PM
Nice to see that civility is a skill obviously beyond you. way to be sir, way to be.
And hey....
by Psynapse
Apr 10th, 2008
01:42:50 PM
Since this entire TB has devolved into little more than personal attacks rather than actual debate (Hey I tried to bring it back to that, I really did) I've really lost interest. See ya, kids.
Quesada and DiDio
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:45:03 PM
I think that Marvel and DC are both better now then they've been in a LONG time.

Your criticisms seem a little vague to me. Such as "...reeks of a singular egotism..." Are you saying that Marvel should worry about Image's bottom line? If so, I would say that I don't think that has ever happened in the history of comics--so if you're trying to pull a "things were so much better way-back-when" type of argument off I don't think you'll be successful.

Do you have anything except the nebulous "pander to the commercial dollar" argument? They always have. What's new?

You're gonna need more to back up calling "EVIL" on people who make comics. Sorry.

You honestly don't think that things are better now than in the 90's (for which you seem to hold disdain)?

I do.

"civility is a skill obviously beyond you"
by Jeff Albertson
Apr 10th, 2008
01:47:20 PM
At this point, you hold absolutely no moral high ground.

Just run away, I guess. It's all you can do. You certainly can't make a decent point.

Someone in this talkback stinks.
by Al Swearengen
Apr 10th, 2008
01:47:37 PM
And they reek of fuckin' catpiss.
Just because you get your product promoted somewhere...
by mrfan
Apr 10th, 2008
01:47:51 PM
doesn't mean squat if the product is not good. I know what you are saying Shen. I agree on the statement about promoting. Any type of promotion is good for said product. Comics have been promoted on so much over the years. Promoting is not a problem. Comics will always be promoted in different avenues.