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sigh by Shan	Apr 8th, 2008 08:51:58 AM
No-one watches political stuff, haven't they seen the box office lately?
so, it's a documentary? by LegoKenobi	Apr 8th, 2008 08:53:12 AM

First? by DanteS2005	Apr 8th, 2008 08:53:38 AM
I'm ashamed of myself...
What, Bush Biographers beat you to it? by TopHat	Apr 8th, 2008 08:53:54 AM
...Come on. I know Moriarty or Harry must have this script. Give us a review!
the movie will tank by ArcadianDS	Apr 8th, 2008 08:56:15 AM
remember when Oliver Stone directed great films? Yeah, me neither.
Why a Bush movie? Does Bush even qualify? by GibsonUSA	Apr 8th, 2008 08:57:36 AM
I would rather have a Clinton movie. With cigar sex scene.
Oliver Stone is crazy by CuervoJones	Apr 8th, 2008 08:58:23 AM
I like crazy people.
Nobody will go see this by KazamaSmokers	Apr 8th, 2008 08:58:39 AM
Not because it won't be good... it's just that the American public wants to forget George W. Bush ever existed.
It's The White House meets Animal House! by rev_skarekroe	Apr 8th, 2008 08:59:36 AM
That's how they should pitch it. And the trailer should have Todd Rundgren's "Bang The Drum All Day" playing.
Jack Nicholson as Mrs. Bush by GibsonUSA	Apr 8th, 2008 09:01:04 AM
With Joker paint.
If it's half as good as Nixon by theoneofblood	Apr 8th, 2008 09:01:50 AM
It'll damned good. That movie surprised me as I thought Stone would just do a total hatchet job, he actually finished the movie with me kinda liking RN and definately feeling sorry for him.
I wish the Farrelly Brothers would do this. by DerLanghaarige	Apr 8th, 2008 09:03:03 AM
I mean the Farrelly's from 10 years ago.
www.aint-it-liberal-propaganda.c om by uss cygnus	Apr 8th, 2008 09:03:38 AM
DEPORT OLIVER STONE. Ever see "Key Largo"?
this is bugnuts by kafka07	Apr 8th, 2008 09:04:43 AM
fuck bush
I hate George W. Bush... by Batman Begins Sucks Ass	Apr 8th, 2008 09:05:54 AM
...about as much as I hate Batman Begins. What a total piece of of shit these two are.
The impression? by The Funketeer	Apr 8th, 2008 09:06:04 AM
That's funny because his script seems to give the same impression his presidency has.
Whats Bush approval rating? Last I heard was approx 30%? by GibsonUSA	Apr 8th, 2008 09:06:12 AM
Casually heard off TV. So um...who's gonna watch this movie again?
This is a joke by Mr Slippy Fist	Apr 8th, 2008 09:06:54 AM
Wow, a movie where someone gets ripped up drunk, fail classes in college, and joins a fraternity. I think I saw a much funnier and better version of this movie already called Animal House. Oliver Stone needs to give it up. I agree with GibsonUSA, Clinton would be a hell of a lot better. We can all relate to those late night in bars picking up the fat chicks.
Oliver Stone has become a joke by zacdilone	Apr 8th, 2008 09:11:40 AM
He's counting on all those who hate Bush to turn out in droves. He's forgetting that in order to make a successful movie, you need to make a GOOD movie.
Hah, this should be a horror movie. by GibsonUSA	Apr 8th, 2008 09:13:03 AM
It's got the formula: 1. Starts out with teen/twenties and his friends. 2. Frat parties, getting wasted. 3. Then people getting pwned.
HUGE SURPRISE! by leobloom	Apr 8th, 2008 09:16:12 AM
But seriously who is the audience for this movie? Most people don't like the job the prez is doing, but at the same time they're not going to pony up the money to see Oliver Stone's version of the story either.
This Is One Case... by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 09:18:07 AM
Where no matter how much Oliver Stone exaggerates or sensationalizes his subject, he still can't come close to the disaster that is George W. Bush. He is, without a doubt, the most incompetent and yet arrogantly dictatorial presidents we have ever elected, and his administration more corrupt than any other, even Grant's. Stone is just going to put out an appetizer, the historians will be taking meat off W's bones for years and decades to come. I just hope Bush lives a long long long time, so he can see how truly despised his presidency is. But hey, if hasn't "gotten" it in almost eight years, he probably never will. He is a hollow shell of a man.
This movie will not be good by SkiBum	Apr 8th, 2008 09:20:29 AM
And most of the american movie-going public will treat it as the literal truth. Sad.
whether you like Bush or hate him... by just pillow talk	Apr 8th, 2008 09:21:44 AM
who really wants to see this movie?
Yeah by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 09:25:31 AM
It's STONE that's become the joke, not Bush. Sure. And I love this: "most people don't like the job the prez is doing". That gets my vote for understatement of the year. I just love how all the fools who voted for this idiot are still trying to equivocate on how bad he is and switching the blame elsewhere. If they say something like "Well, yeah he's been terrible, but..." - you know they voted for this chimp...TWICE. Now they know to have any credibility in any political discussion whatsoever, they need to admit that basic reality first - then they attack and blame the Libs. It's fucking hilarious.
Love him or hate him, you elected him. by GibsonUSA	Apr 8th, 2008 09:26:22 AM
I'm not at all keen on politics as others, but going into the Fall of 04 everyone was telling me there was no way Bush would get re-elected. His approval was way too low and everyone hated his guts. Well...look what happened. How did it happen? Which is why I dont really believe poll numbers too much. If a third term were allowed, whats to say he wouldnt get re-elected again?
GibsonUSA... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:27:58 AM
President Bush's favorability rating sits at about 35-38%. This is remarkably higher than one would think considering the tireless onslaught of ridicule and hatred he receives from pundits from the left. Sources: htt p://www.pollingreport .com /BushFav. htm (remove the spaces) Ironically, the favorability rating of Bush is much higher than Congress from whom all three Presidential candidates now sit. Congress' favorability rating has sunk drastically over the past year and a half to an all time low of 19-22%. (Source: htt p://www. polling report. com/ CongJob. htm ) Hmmm...maybe good ol' conspiracy theory activist Oliver Stone (who doesn't even hold a college degree -- he dropped out after a single year) might want to make a movie about the new Democratic-controlled Congress?
I will see this movie by kafka07	Apr 8th, 2008 09:28:35 AM
after reading that article, it will be hilarious to see it. Seeing a drunk Bush almost crash a plane; him calling Rumsfeld a turdblossom; getting in a fist fight with his father. It'll be a great stoner movie.
Wow by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 09:31:24 AM
All the necons came first to the talkback. I think killing and crippling thousands of young Americans for no real reason is a little more dramatic than Clinton's cigar sex scene. Sorry guys. Clinton's reign of peace and prosperity may be "controversial", but your guy is the fucking SS Titanic of presidents.
Let's Get Retarded by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 8th, 2008 09:31:33 AM
I mean uh "let's get it started"
So Stone nailed it then? by Theta	Apr 8th, 2008 09:31:51 AM
Memo to anybody who thinks the Dubya administration had any respect for hierarchy or policy: Wasn't that Kool-Aid tasty? Here, have some more!
His approval rating hit 29% by V'Shael	Apr 8th, 2008 09:32:20 AM
But opinion polls don't mean a whole hell of a lot.
"no reverence for hierarchy, the office itself or for the implic by SmilingPolitely	Apr 8th, 2008 09:32:52 AM
That sounds about right. I can only hope this irritates the piss out of Bush/Cheney.
AS LONG by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 09:35:46 AM
AS CROMWELL SAYS "THAT'LL DO, THAT'LL DO" I'm sold. I don't what it is about this movie that has me so facsinated? I could really give fuck all about politics but I am all about any spoliers or photos that come from this movie?? I guess I've finally gotten sick of Blockbuster movie hype that I am turing my attention to dramas. Like I can't wait for the first pic of Brolin as W. and then have (insert movie company) come and take it down. Or to see the hand held in a secert screening of the trailer on youtube.
chrrisssssmmmmm, or whatever the fuck your name is by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 09:36:09 AM
LOL! Bush has the lowest second-term ratings than any president other than Nixon! Way to spin those numbers, you right-wing freak. The reason the congress is so low-rated is because they haven't put this fucker in jail or ended this pathetic war. Nice try, buddy.
WE NEED A FILM ABOUT OBAMA! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:36:51 AM
We need for Stone to make a film about an articulate but extremely inexperienced man who thirsts for political power! This story would have everything! It would cover Obama's childhood, his drug years, his "poor years" at Harvard, his years making millions working as a lawyer, his controversial years on the payroll of Tony "the Syrian" Rezko, his supposed "opposition to the war in Iraq" (which supposedly came before he was even in Congress), his almost failed run for the Illinois Senate (just three and a half years ago) where he only won because the young Republican candidate and his wife were "swingers", his immediate campaign for the office of President and Commander-in-Chief and his cat fight with Hillary and Bill Clinton. Hopefully, Stone's film would have the hilarious ending in which this pompous self-promoter lost the election to Senator John McCain by 10% of the popular vote and over 35 electoral college votes!
His disapproval rating hit 71% by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Apr 8th, 2008 09:36:55 AM
And that's a compliment. He should be tried for war crimes for what he, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bremer did to Iraq. Murdering, greedy bastards.
Don't much care for "Approval Ratings" but... by Blanket-Man	Apr 8th, 2008 09:40:51 AM
...to claim that Bush is "at about 35-38%" is a bit of a stretch. That's ONE poll out of dozens that are regularly taken. Check out http://www.realclearpolitics. com/polls/archive/?poll_id=19 and you'll see that on average his approval rating is a lot closer to 30% than it is to 40%. Even Faux News' most recent poll had it at 30%. Doesn't matter though; we're stuck with him for another 9 months or so, then McCain for 4 after that. The Dems are just that incompetent.
Rebeck2... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:41:13 AM
Did you even graduate from high school, or do you spew this sort of DNC talking points out of your very limited intellect? You sound like Al Franken (or worse, Michael Moore)! This Congress is rated so low because they are the worst Congress in the history of this nation. Nice try, my extremely liberal hippie friend. But I imagine that you will have quite a bit of crazy liberal support in these message boards. At least some of us are willing to endure the EXTREME HATE of the far left radicals who frequent these boards simply because we believe and speak the truth. Bush isn't my favorite guy (by a long shot), but he is better than that wildly inexperienced and unqualified NObama. But some libtards would rather have that than the preservation of this nation in a time of conflict.
Oliver Stone needs fucking cash NOW! by Baron Karza	Apr 8th, 2008 09:42:04 AM
Listen, Stoney will do anything you want, just give me some munny! C'mon people, O-Stone need CASH NOW BITCH!
Remember when George W. Bush was elected president? by Napoleon Park	Apr 8th, 2008 09:42:49 AM
it happened in 2004.
"We need for Stone to make a film about an articulate but extrem by RenoNevada2000	Apr 8th, 2008 09:43:27 AM
He is. It's about Bush. Pay attention.
Oh wait... by RenoNevada2000	Apr 8th, 2008 09:44:13 AM
Bush isn't articulate. At least not to those of us who speak English.
And the Democratic controlled Congress... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:44:33 AM
...sits at an average of 22%. Yet far-left libtards will "spin" this figure to their advantage. sigh Keep sucking Obama and Pelosi's cocks, mindless haters. It seems that this is the extent of your educationally limited minds.
ccchhhrrriiisssm by Jeff Albertson	Apr 8th, 2008 09:45:15 AM
What a joke you are.
F a movie by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:45:17 AM
Impeach this monster! Try him for war crimes!
i hope somebody kills him by deliciouscowbell	Apr 8th, 2008 09:45:35 AM
god i hope that happens. fuck george bush.
Bush Elected Again . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 09:46:11 AM
For a 3rd Term? I'd probably vote for him, but I vote against the democrats all the time--so I'll be voting for Democrat-lite McCain, even though I'm not excited about voting for him. Still, I was excited about voting for him in 2004, lukewarm about voting for him in 2000, and alternately like and dislike his policies--he ain't no Reagan. Still, Stone's depiction sounds like it's going to be mostly fictional, so he should go balls out. Make Bush a serial killer, hunting down interns and picking 'em off, one by one. Frankly, even if Stone was likely to do an accurate or objective portrayal, I might say: that's nice. And not go to the movie. They way he is almost sure to do it, and it certainly sounds like he's going to do it? Stupid, typical, predictable: and I'm not going to see it. And when it comes to seeing movies, I'm the decider.
FUCK BUSH!! by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:46:23 AM
God this feels good!
For those who think Stone will make an anti-Bush film... by blackmantis	Apr 8th, 2008 09:47:26 AM
Remember that he made pretty fair and even-handed film about Richard Nixon. NIXON!!!
Damn!It already started.... by travis-dane	Apr 8th, 2008 09:47:58 AM
politics and AICN dont go to good together.
Whos worse? by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:48:40 AM
Bush or Bay?
Many TBers and Obama have something in common: by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:48:43 AM
Neither understand foreign or domestic policy. They only understand empty and hateful (at least, toward the right) sound bites -- which have become the cocaine for the uneducated masses. Go ahead and try to elect a candidate on the basis of the empty "fluff" rhetoric that he cums in your face. Ignore the fact that there is an alternative who spent over 23 years in the military (with over 5 as a prisoner of war) and over 25 years in Congress. McCain is the ONLY INTELLIGENT CHOICE for 2008! McCain/Condi in 2008!
blackmantis by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:49:45 AM
If Stone portrays GWB truthfully, then it will be anti-Bush anyway.
Stone by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:50:44 AM
Would have to put spin on it to make the douchebag look halfway decent
Approval Ratings by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 8th, 2008 09:51:46 AM
Remember that approval ratings are culled from surveys of people with land-line phones who are at home during the day on weekdays. IE, old people. So 30% of old people approve of Bush. The rest of us don't have our heads shoved up our asses.
Hope it's better than World Trade Center by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 8th, 2008 09:51:52 AM
That was a terrible movie. Paul Greengrass really showed Stone up with United 93.
yes, Stone dropped out of college, but by kafka07	Apr 8th, 2008 09:52:04 AM
he went and joined the military and fought in Vietnam. I don't like Stone overall, but I respect that about him. No doubt his experiences in Vietnam gave him a lot of insight and wisdom, the kind which he would not find in a college institution. You can't say the same thing about G.W. since he decided to skip out on the war, Cheney too.
Who's going to play McCain in the movie by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 09:52:05 AM
The snivelling pussy who was handed his ass in the presidential election by Bush and described as a loony who went mad in a prison camp, and then spent the following years with his nose up Bush's ass. How can you respect someone like that?
Low approval rating? by Napoleon Park	Apr 8th, 2008 09:52:14 AM
When W's approval drops down to like 25% people say that's so low. Sweet Jeebus, that means that one person in four thinks he's done a fine job. Out of every four people you know, one thinks that overthhrowing foreign governments and crushing the skulls of their leaders sons is a fine and dandy thing for the United States of America to stand for. It means if you and three other people were asked "Hey, wanna kill 4000 American soldiers for no apparent reason?" one of you would say "Yeah okay, let's do that." Put it his way, 25% approval means if you and your girlfriend go out to dinner with her best friend and her boyfriend, one of you is a fucking idiot. when a quarter of the population is perfectly happy to shoulder the moral responsibility for the actions of the worst president in US history, how is that supposed to be a "low" number? Especially when their big defense is either to slip into a meditation trance repeating the 9/11 mantra or to point and yell "Yeah, well at least he didn't get his cock sucked!" I'll take a president who wants to get his cock sucked (or her pussy eaten) in the oval office over one who regards the US Army as expendable pawns any day.
USS Cygnus by PotSmokinAlien	Apr 8th, 2008 09:52:41 AM
Deport Oliver Stone to where, you fucking idiot? He was born here.
I can't wait by Darksider	Apr 8th, 2008 09:53:45 AM

santi01 by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 8th, 2008 09:54:06 AM
Tough call...but at the end of the day only one of them made Pearl Harbor.
IMPEACH OBAMA...!!! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 09:54:21 AM
Get this imposter out of Congress! This gross voterfucker wants to shoot his inexperience up the asses of the American people! We can't afford to allow someone as inexperienced and unqualified to become the President on the basis of his empty rhetoric. Obama's response: "I will not allow you to shut out the voice of the American people!" The only people who suck that shit are the mindless liberals and uneducated masses who can't see the forest because of all of the trees. A man who will sit through over 20 years of his activist pastor's ridiculously idiotic unAmerican comments is NOT QUALIFIED to become Commander-in-Chief of this nation.
Anyone who thinks this is all fiction and way over the top... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 8th, 2008 09:56:03 AM
Should watch the doco Bush's War, done by PBS as a Frontline special. Pretty damning stuff, as retold from people who were actually there and directly involved. In fact I think you can even watch it online at PBS's site... And people voted for this man as president not once, but twice...
Heres a new one by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:57:44 AM
Whats worse? Obama sitting in front of a loud minister making controvercial statements? or The President sending 4000 American kids to their death? Hurry Quick!
ccchhhrrriiisssm by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 09:58:40 AM
Might be retarded
ccchhhrrriiisssm by Wee Willie	Apr 8th, 2008 09:59:05 AM
A few thoughts on McCain. He was in the military 23 years, including 5 as a POW. So that makes only 18 years in the service, and five sitting on his ass in a moneky cage. Also, the man can't lift his hands over his head, which means if he's elected and his motorcade comes by, and you wave at him. HE WILL NOT WAVE BACK. Is that the kid of rudeness we need in office? I ask you, sir! As for lack of experience, what experience did W have? Oh, right, he was the Governer of Texas, which means he sat at a desk rubber-stamping legislation.
Will Rove and Jeff Gannon fuck? by SmilingPolitely	Apr 8th, 2008 09:59:13 AM
Repressed homosexual, psychopathic, right-wingers... JFK had it right.
Speed Fricassee by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:01:05 AM
So your telling me over 8000 American troops died over the 8 years of Clintons terms?
Do liberals really believe that Bush... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:02:22 AM
...is a sinister man who wanted to bring this nation into a meaningless war? Read "BUSH AT WAR" (by Pulitzer Prize winning and Watergate exposing journalist Bob Woodward), you goddamned mindless retards! Woodward is critical of figures like Donald Rumsfeld -- but credits the Bush Administration for acting on behalf of the intelligence offered to him by the military and the Pentagon. Woodward destroys the myth (so often repeated by liberals) that Bush is "slow-witted or unintelligent." Woodward reminds us that most of his advisors graduated at Ivy League Policy educational institutions. Bush himself graduated from two liberal institutions -- Harvard and Yale. While he was an average undergrad (with a GPA higher than John Kerry's during the same time), Bush went on to earn an MBA from Harvard Business School with high honors. But liberals want us to think that Bush is an "unintelligent, diabolical maniac out to destroy the free world." I don't know what is scarier -- the liberals oft-repeated fictional assessement or the fact that so many libtards are STUPID ENOUGH to believe such bullshit?!?
----------------> "0" by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:03:48 AM
It is the number of years that Obama served in the military, and the number of years he served in Congress before deciding to run for President.
Napolean Park by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 10:04:10 AM
Thats because when you and your girlfriend go out to dinner with her best friend and her boyfriend, that the best friend's boyfriend turns out to be an uneducated god-fearing guy from the Bible Belt.
Dont forget by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:04:34 AM
Were not even talking about the tropps that were maimed, disfigured, limbs amputated,or the fact they have to have their families BUY them sufficient gear to stay protected. Or how 'bout the horrible conditions of the VA hospitals when they get back, the mental and emotional issues most are also facing,not to mention the fact most will not have jobs IF they get back home.
TB shitstorm in by Lost Jarv	Apr 8th, 2008 10:06:08 AM
3-2-1.....
It just doesn't matter anymore by gruntybear	Apr 8th, 2008 10:06:15 AM
Politics in this country are just so polarized as to be completely pointless. Thank you ever so much talk radio and your endless spewing of biased, fear-mongering hatred. Why participate in what has become just another cartoon WCW "smackdown" between sloganeering droogies on both sides? Brainwashed morons like ccchhhrrriiisssm are pretty much the norm for all these so-called "discussions." When can we get past the bullshit posturing and the partisan soundbites to actually fix the problems? When can we free ourselves from the absolute bug-fuck insanity of religion? When will we throw off the corporate yoke and start worrying about real people and real problems? When will rationality and reason prevail?
During the Clinton Administration... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:06:23 AM
...11,343 military personel died while serving our nation overseas. Does this mean that Clinton was "sending our boys to their deaths?" Try again, uneduated libtards. But be encouraged: Your HATE has made you powerful.
ccchhhrrriiisssm by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:06:41 AM
I do not believe "unintelligent, diabolical maniac out to destroy the free world". Calling him a diablical maniac is giving that fuckin retard way to much credit. I do agree that he is unintelligent!
Guys, you can't argue with Bush supporters... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 8th, 2008 10:07:46 AM
It's like arguing with the retarded, you can't possibly win, and all it ends up doing is making you look as stupid as they are.
Bush said it best: by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 8th, 2008 10:07:48 AM
"I truly believe man and the fish can co-exist peacefully."
santi01 by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:08:08 AM
That troop comment is a fucking lie and you know it. You can't even keep a straight face. What "troops" are we talking about? Foreign troops? Or are we just having a little make believe time? Want your dolls?
as if by palooka_boy	Apr 8th, 2008 10:09:35 AM
as if we need a new movie to tell us to hate GWB. its not like i'm a fan of the guy, but seriously, he's not the spawn of satan. get the fuck over it, hollywood, and start working on your St. Obama picture
sadly enough this will all be viewed as factual by tompiltoff	Apr 8th, 2008 10:09:51 AM
thus cementing the inevitability that I will again hear some douchey student say 'no blood for oil' and punch him/her.
Sorry Santi by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:10:03 AM
Wrong name.
Rebeck2 by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:10:51 AM
That wasnt me, ccchhhrrriiisssm wrote that number. I als thinks its BS, but i think ccchhhrrriiisssm is mentally handicapped.
Speed Fricassee by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:10:54 AM
Was the idiot I was speaking to.
gruntybear... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:11:20 AM
I am "brainwashed?" sigh Thank you for enlightening me, O' uneducated one! You have shown me the light of the strange truths uttered by the far left's oft repeated talking points, and made me want to flush my 8 years of meaningless education. Jezzzus Christ, dipshit! You will HATE anyone who doesn't agree with your own uninformed opinions about religion and politics and criticize conservatives for sharing theirs -- all the while you would allow the far left to continue shouting theirs? Good job. You are a similar reason to why Hitler was so strong in German politics!
Dismiss Oliver Stone and hire Brian dePalma by ricarleite	Apr 8th, 2008 10:12:20 AM
He could give Bush a little something extra.
santi, we're in complete agreement by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:12:49 AM
It doesn't even pay to debate ccchhhrisssm because his posts say it so much better than we can.
Didn't Take Any Time At All by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:13:29 AM
For this TalkBack to descend to the depths. When it comes down to it, this movie is being made for the foreign box office, who personifies the "evil" of America in the character of Dubya and, unlike the domestic audience, will turn out in droves to see the "true" story of Frat Boy Dubya . . . and have all their prejudices against Americans confirmed. I think it's the international box office that makes this movie worth doing from a business standpoint, because I think the domestic box office will suck. The domestic gross for Nixon was $13.6 million, against a budget of $44 million. In other words, it flopped. This movie is going to tank domestically (no matter what the haters say, in the end it will not satisfy anybody), and will depend on strong foreign box office in order to avoid being a complete disaster.
I feel like... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:14:17 AM
...I am standing on a roof of a mall watching mindless zombies walk around aimlessly as they spout their mindless hatefilled opinions to one another. Damn! Please liberal people -- for the sake of America -- form an educated opinion! sigh I suppose that your intolerance toward anyone who disagrees with you will continue....and continue...and continue...long after McCain gets elected President.
Bush supporters are funny by Movietool	Apr 8th, 2008 10:14:19 AM
Can't you just hear the desperation in everything they do and say? The almost inaudible sobs in their words as they try any and every deflection they can think of to find something, ANYTHING to be proud about after voting for the dullard that currently heads their party. "I'll take him over that inexperienced Obama! Blah Blah Blah." "Hillary's a socialist! Blah Blah Blah." "Democrats won't make this nation secure! Blah Blah Blah." Listen, conservatives, and just accept it: Bush was a bad president. He was unqualified for the office and your cowardly party nominated him anyways because McCain was just a little too liberal, and you were all too used to keeping your boots on the necks of liberals after your sweeping congressional victories. The result? The most corrupt congress followed by the most corrupt president in history. Good work. Down deep inside, I know the truth hurts, but here it is: you want Clinton back. The economy was stronger, the nation was safer, and other nations actually took us seriously.
will it tell Bush is really an alien lizard thinly diguised? by pipergates	Apr 8th, 2008 10:15:49 AM
just watch him when he gets upset
ccchhhrrriiisssm by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:18:23 AM
Please defend this wat that has killed over 4000 Americans that have left behind families, please.
ccchhhrrriiisssm, Liberals Will Believe Anything by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:18:25 AM
It's a religion, and the religion has to have it's devil, and the devil will always be the top guy, the most visible guy, or the most visible (and most effective) conservatives (re: infidels) and until they can legalize the televised executions of conservatives for heresy, they'll have to be satisfied with hatchet job "news" stories, "thoughtful, insightful" movies, and clusterfucked "statistics" that prove their antedeluvian, creationist theories (that is, in the beginning, Obama said: let their be healthcare, and there was healthcare, and Obama saw that it was good).
ccchhhrrriiisssm by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 8th, 2008 10:19:01 AM
hate to break it to you but the last thing Americans want to see in the White House is another Republican. Especially one that should be sitting on his lawn enjoying his retirement.
It's true pipergates! by Sledge Hammer	Apr 8th, 2008 10:19:31 AM
I saw him eat a mouse once, and he ate that fucker whole, just like on V. And what comes after V? That's right! Fucking W! Be afraid. Be very afraid...
Irony by Lost Jarv	Apr 8th, 2008 10:19:50 AM
Chrism talking about other people being intolerant of different opinions. This is very fucking funny.
ccchhhrrriiisssm by enderandrew	Apr 8th, 2008 10:20:04 AM
I can't help but agree. I disagree with many of Bush's policies, but he isn't the idiot everyone makes him out to be. He isn't this huge liar. He is very upfront about who he is, and what he intended to do in office. If you look at what he said, and what he did, they line up pretty well.
Wouldn't bet on that Kwisatz by Lost Jarv	Apr 8th, 2008 10:20:42 AM
there's a damned good chance that McCain will beat either Obama or Clinton. I wouldn't be surprised.
Ok enough rhetoric by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:20:45 AM
Will one of you Bush backers please defend this guy logically, his War, his economy, his country that is going to shit. Someone please logically defend him. You cant!
Speed Fricassee... by KosherWookie	Apr 8th, 2008 10:21:04 AM
Check out the Urban Legends reference page (Snopes.com); your figures are in error. That said, though, deaths during the Bush years are only slightly higher (1,300 more) than the Clinton years.
Uh, yeah... Coulda told you that 8 years ago... by Kid Z	Apr 8th, 2008 10:22:46 AM
...What took you so long to catch up, Stone?
Still waiting......................... ..... by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:23:00 AM

enderandrew by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:23:24 AM
In which speech, does Bush say he wants to ruin America domestically, internationally, militarily and economically? I must have missed that speech. But if he did, you're right - he met all his goals.
Gotta run to work, but... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:26:07 AM
...let me make a statement that will make liberals everywhere shit their pants with rage. Bubba Clinton's idea of "peace" caused 9/11! Billy Boy's attempt to avoid any military conflict with his ever-shrinking military budget and base closures caused militant terrorist groups like Al Quaeda to feel empowered. During the Clinton Administration, Al Quaeda was at least partially (or entirely) responsible for at least a dozen acts of terrorism against US targets -- including the first WTC bombing, the attack on the USS Cole (in which a friend of mine died), attacks on two separate US Embassies in Africa, attacks on US troops stationed in Saudi Arabia, and planned attacks on the West Coast during the Jan 1, 2000 festivities. Even 9/11 was largely planned during the Clinton Administration. Clinton's response: He sent a few missiles into empty camps in Afghanistan and into downtown Bagdad. How much did Clinton know about the threat from Al Quaeda? We will never know, because his National Security Advisor (Sandy Berger) pled guilty for stealing vital National Security documents from the National Archives in Washington D.C. (See htt p://www.nytimes. com/2005/04/01/ politics/01berger. html - remove spaces). Nearly forgotten is the 9/11 Commission's opinion that the lack of effort by the Clinton Administration to track down Osama bin Laden was at least partially responsible for the events of 9/11. Well, I owe I own so off to work I go... Have fun hating me, libfiends.
santi01, Defend Roosevelt and Truman by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:26:48 AM
For the 416,800 military deaths (approximately) in World War II. Or what about the 116,708 military deaths for America during World War I? Defend Woodrow Wilson for that. Or defend JFK and LBJ for the 60,000 American military personel killed during Vietnam. Or what about the 54,229 killed during the Korean War? Shouldn't Truman be forced to answer for that?
kevinwillis by Movietool	Apr 8th, 2008 10:27:17 AM
Surely you must see that BOTH parties are religions at this point. You don't really believe that Republicans are just well-meaning folk that don't spew out plenty of Hate and Bile just like the Democrats, do you? Hatchet job "news" stories, "thoughtful, insightful" movies, and clusterfucked "statistics" are used as ammunition on BOTH sides, with equal vitrol. (Oh, and mentioning "creationist stories" is particularly ironic since your man Bush doesn't even believe in Evolution, which is only the basis of all modern biology.)
Active Duty Deaths: Bush Vs. Clinton by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:28:58 AM
Active duty deaths during Clinton's first four years (1993 - 1996): 4302 Active duty deaths during Bush's first four years (2001 - 2004): 5187 The difference? 885 deaths over four years, or about 221 deaths a year. Of course, during Bush's first four years in office we liberated both Afghanistan and Iraq. What did we accomplish, in terms of military victories, during Clinton's first four years in office?
santi01... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:29:04 AM
Can you defend a vote for Obama (without using simplistic, ignorant talking bites)? The guy has 0 years experience in either the military or foreign/domestic policy. He runs for President simply upon his empty but eloquent speaking ability. Waiting... Well actually, poor folks like me have to go to work. I'll look for your response tonight after sorting through all of the mindless liberal "tolerant" hatred that I will receive.
Hail To The Thief - should be the movie title by performingmonkey	Apr 8th, 2008 10:29:29 AM
He should never have been in office, but he NEEDED to be there to allow the fiasco of the last 7 years to happen. Just a puppet of his father and those Masonic fuckers that own them, who in turn answer to Israel, who in turn answer to...er, God.
Movietool... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:30:58 AM
Martin Luther King Jr. believed in both God and creationism. Do you hate him too?
kevinwillis by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:30:58 AM

Im not defending anyone by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:31:04 AM
In my opinion they're all a bunch of assholes. My point is proven though that this current sitting presidents actions throughout can NOT be defended.
Active Duty Deaths Redux by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:31:42 AM
There were another 3,198 active duty deaths under Clinton during the second four years of his term (1997 - 2000). That's about 800 active duty deaths per year. A significant enough number that, if the media hadn't been so busy focusing on Lewinskigate and marveling and Clinton's ability to lie, there would have been protests with folks chanting "Clinton lied, people died!"
I'm talking about Actions. by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:32:34 AM
All of this administrations actions have been morally and ethically corrupt
kevinwillis by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:32:36 AM
hahahahahahaha... "Victories".... "Liberated".... You're hilarious, man. Oh boy...I'm crying with laughter. No, I'm just crying. It WOULD be funny if it wasn't so fucking sad.
Clinton by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:34:03 AM
Was an ass too.
movietool by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:34:12 AM
All good points. Policy-wise, however, I'd argue that conservatives (moreso than Republicans) are practically objective rationalists compared to the modern day Democratic left. But what was the whole Whitewater affair if not a puritanical witch hunt? I'm with you on the nonsense, brother.
santi01... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:35:06 AM
I've really got to run to work (or I will be late), but I suggest that you read Pulitizer Prize winning, Washington Post editing and Watergate exposing journalist Bob Woodward's book "BUSH AT WAR." It gives the clear justification for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It clearly shows that, contrary to the wild hate theories spewed by liberals, the Bush Administration acted in good conscience in Iraq. See ya later, friend.
I agree, this movie might tank by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 10:35:44 AM
Because come November, this country is going to be so fed up with Bush, that they might not want to have to look at or hear anything that has to do with Bush, and this movie couldn't portray him any worse than they already see him in their own minds.
No no...Clinton GOT Ass by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:35:54 AM
Bush IS the ass.
HUH!?! Objective Rationalists!?!?! by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:36:28 AM
You mean the republicans that use the platform of family values this and family values that, then get caught banging little boys, or trolling the bathrooms at airports. Give me a fucking break
Rebeck2: Yes, It Is Sad by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:37:39 AM
But you can start to read, and think, and study, and reflect, and ponder--and then maybe your life won't be such a sad web of lies! There is hope. There truly is.
Clinton by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:37:42 AM
Got Fat Ass!
santi01: I Said Conservatives, Not Republicans by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:38:38 AM
Besides, it's the closet lefties that are bangin' the little boys. Come on, you know that.
Rebeck2 by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:39:09 AM
Have you noticed instead of defending this guys policies and actions, they tell you to go and read something. No one, not even his dick riders, can defend what has happened to this country.
Also, I Was Referring to Policies by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:40:46 AM
Not sexual perversions or their personal life. Quite frankly, I didn't hold anything Clinton did in the Oval Office against him. Who doesn't like a nice BJ under the desk now and again? The raising taxes and the healthcare task force I wasn't a big fan of. But those certainly weren't impeachable offenses.
One last thing by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 10:41:19 AM
i gotta start working too. Transformers was the shit!!!!!!
I'm Not Going to Defend the Iraq War by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:43:35 AM
I disagree with the Iraq war as policy. I've also disagreed with Bush's immigration policies, his signing of Campaign Finance Reform, the No Kids Left Behind act, and the Medicare prescription drug benefit boondoggle. There's lots of stuff Bush has done that is not remotely conservative, policy wise. Pre-emptive wars are not a traditionally conservative strategy. I'd defend the tax cuts, but the liberal objection to leaving more money in the private economy is so religious it's like trying to argue a fundamentalist Baptist preacher out of his belief in Jesus. Ain't going to happen.
Transformers was Shit? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 10:44:08 AM
I agree with that, wholeheartedly.
santi01... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:44:23 AM
If you were intelligent enough, you would understand that a proper defense about Iraq policies could not be made on a TB page. Unfortunately, libtards who live off of the sound bites that they suck from the cocks of the DNC just can't understand that. But read the book, santi01. It provides a very good defense, and it will also shatter some myths often repeated by liberal zombies. Gotta run...laterz.
Precious moments by The Osiris of This Here Shit	Apr 8th, 2008 10:45:07 AM
"You are a similar reason to why Hitler was so strong in German politics!" fills me with joy. It's like a alien kung-fu master joined the campus Republicans. I can only hope and pray that english is your first language. P.S. You are issued 3 exclamation points when you are born, which you must use wisely. You are in very deep debt.
I don't understand how its 2008 by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 10:45:49 AM
and we are still arguing over religious beliefs. Seriously isn't that proof enough that there is no god damn answer? Still can't believe that people don't see that McCain is going to be our next president either.
Yes, I should familiarize myself with contractions... by The Osiris of This Here Shit	Apr 8th, 2008 10:46:51 AM
Undone by my hubris!(Shit, that was my last one...)
i'm a fiscal conservative and i know Bush is a fucking moron. by BMacSmith	Apr 8th, 2008 10:47:30 AM
what a sellout piece of shit.
Chrism can you enlighten me... by Lost Jarv	Apr 8th, 2008 10:47:41 AM
Why do you need military experience to be president? You keep citing this as somehow hugely important, but I don't think it is. (And don't say commander in chief).
To anyone who supports Bush still. by Judge Briggs	Apr 8th, 2008 10:48:21 AM
Wake up... the country is fucked up because of this fuck-tard of a prez... tell me at least one thing Bush as gotten right since he stole the election in 2000. One thing! There is a reason why historians are already saying that he will be one of the worst presidents in our country's history. Wake up. You are living in the matrix. Turn off Faux News and pick up a book by hundreds of authors documenting the monumental fuck ups of the past 8 years.
santi01... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:49:15 AM
Yes, Transformers were the shit. I think that was a bipartisan belief. ;-) ccchhhrrriiisssm out!
Maybe... by Jeff Albertson	Apr 8th, 2008 10:49:50 AM
if ccchhhrrriiisssm and kevinwillis.net flood the AICN talkbacks with their bullshit talking points repeated verbatim from Faux News then the vast, overwhelming majority of people in this country will start to believe that Dubya WASN'T the worst president EVER. But most likely not. Why aren't they posting on a political site? Oh right, because they're laughably stupid and the only place that they can spout their bullshit and have people actually respond to them is the AICN talkbacks. Good luck with that plan, guys. I see a third term for Dubya in 2008 due to your tireless posting on a site that has banner ads with aliens and predators on it. You're so smart!
I can't stand Bush, but... by MJohnson	Apr 8th, 2008 10:51:13 AM
Oliver Stone is a moronic hack, so Somehow this doesn't surprise me at all...seems like a match made in heaven...
Faux News ? by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 10:51:24 AM
How incredibly clever! ;-) Did you get this from CNN, MSNBC, Michael Moore, the Huffington Report or the DNC?
Faux News .. by Judge Briggs	Apr 8th, 2008 10:52:36 AM
Pretty much a self-given label since the network is a joke. So many documented fuck ups.
LOL, Santi by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 10:53:36 AM
Yes, I noticed that. Well there's a million books that outline the massive failures of the Bush presidency, I guess they're avoiding THAT kind of reading.
emoticons? by Jeff Albertson	Apr 8th, 2008 10:55:30 AM
See... there are plenty of gay republicans out there. That documentary was hilarious.
Also by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 10:59:44 AM
The whole world is just ridiculous. Seriously thinking about politics makes me wish I just lived in the fucking woods and a cabin and had nothing to do with the outside world. Just a bunch of douche bags with there own agendas not out to really help anything. Hopefully the democratic party will pull there heads out of there asses and just give the nomination to Gore. How I think finally has grown a big enough pair of balls where he would actaully do something as a president. Thats the problem with democrates, no balls. Well minus Hillary.
It would be news only if.... by superduper3000	Apr 8th, 2008 11:00:28 AM
The only thing that would remotely qualify as 'news' on this story would be the headline: "Oliver Stone film to use meticulously researched, historically accurate and unbiased script for 'W' biobgraphical film" "Yeah, we thought we'd go the typical route, " said the famed director of such films as World Trade Center and JFK, ", but then I thought of posterity and my career. There has to be a point in which we, as directors, put our egos and bias aside and just tell the real story." Honestly, the more I hear about this the more I'm reminded of that garbage Reagan 'biopic' that NBC tried to launch a few years back. You don't have to be the biggest 'W' fan in the world to appreciate a good story, but for the love of me I don't see the artistic, historical, political, or overall relevance of this project whatsoever... does ANYONE expect this to be anything but what we all know it'll become? Man, the zealots are gonna miss W come next year...they think Obama or McCain will sell those funny calenders? Me thinks not...history forgive us....
Sorry, ccchhhrrriiisssm... by MJohnson	Apr 8th, 2008 11:04:16 AM
But the only one spewing hatred here is you...I'm a liberal, and I would never think of disrespecting conservatives that I didn't know on a public forum...mostly because liberals and conservatives are equally patriots who desire a strong and prosperous nation: they just differ in the ways in which they think it can be best accomplished. Might interest you to know that your choice, John McCain, publicly called BOTH Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama "patriots" and said that as senators they deserved his respect. Unlike you, I'm not scared of terrorists no matter who leads our country for the next four years. The only real thing to fear is extremist thinking that equates disagreement with being wrong and that unthinkingly parrots sound bytes from today's infotainment media. So, just to point out where your extremist thinking is undeniably wrong, I am a liberal, and neither retarded nor a hippy, both claims you made above for all liberals. Since I am neither of those two, you are clearly wrong, and therefore why should anyone trust anything you have to say? From now on you might want to stick to statements that you can prove, and then have the balls to actually back up with your sources for your information.
Jeff Albertson: Not As Smart As You by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 11:06:25 AM
Kettle, meet pot.
Faux News? Are you talking about CBS? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 11:08:54 AM
Or MSNBC? Oh, you mean Fox News. The one network that doesn't have the DNC write all of it's news for it.
I think by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 11:11:53 AM
Since America is dumb enough to still believe in religion. That lets just go back to the old days when people were killed for being weird. And if you were a shitty leader you have to kill your self, something like that. Either way America is infested with too many dumb people to maintain our position as world leader for much longer. I think say 100 years from now when everyone speaks Chinese, it will be taught how George W. Bush was the start of Americas fall.
Yes Kevin by Rebeck2	Apr 8th, 2008 11:12:08 AM
And up is down and down is up.
Why so much hate? by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 11:15:36 AM
Is that all Democrats can muster? And how is this "cool" news? Where's my daily Iron Man clip and Dark Knight ARG update? I'm not paying you to talk about politics! Well, I'm not paying you at all, so, whatever...
Don't trust anyone over 12 by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 8th, 2008 11:15:47 AM
Fucking hormones!
Superduper3000 by hst666	Apr 8th, 2008 11:15:50 AM
"Oliver Stone film to use meticulously researched, historically accurate and unbiased script for 'W' biobgraphical film" Form the comments at the top, this movie sounds like it will fit that description.
Bush is flawed... by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 11:18:49 AM
...but this premise sounds slightly distorted with regards to the truth.
Dumb fucking liberals on this site.... by TheJazzTerminator	Apr 8th, 2008 11:19:13 AM
99% of you dumbasses "hate Bush" because everything has been fucking handed to you on a silver platter by mommy and daddy and you can't relate to a world where there were REAL threats and when EVERYONE in the country pulled together to support the defeat of a foreign danger. Do you turds know what I'm talking about? Probably not because you're mostly all doped out, so I'll just tell you. Try to wade through the big wave of pot smoke to read these words carefully: WORLD - WAR - II. Do you think there were a bunch of pansy ass little bitches criticizing everything the president did back then? If you faggots were around during WWII, we'd all be speaking German right now. Bush has certainly made strategical mistakes during the two wars we have going on - like ANY president in history - but, you people need to get off the fucking pot for a moment and think about what's going on in the world. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO WANT TO KILL AMERICANS. They don't discriminate between those who "like Bush" and those who "hate Bush." THEY WANT TO KILL YOU. And, Bush is going after them. Before one of you douche bags says, "Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11," no one SAID it did! But, that doesn't change the fact that al-quaeda is hell fucking bent on taking over every country he can get his hands on so he can launch attacks. So, get off the dope and realize that you guys are just a bunch of pansy ass bitches who don't understand for one second what the real world is like because you're a bunch of spoiled little pussies. Acknowledgement is the first step to recovery; there's still hope for most of you! And, lastly - to the Clinton supporters -- I'm sorry, but when was 9-11 planned? Oh, right. DURING BILL CLINTON'S PRESIDENCY! While Billy Boy was getting a hummer from Monica the pig, Bin Laden was conspiring the kill 3,000 American people. And, while Billy Boy was playing golf, Bin Laden was building terrorist training camps in Afghanistan. And, while Billy Boy was LYING TO A GRAND JURY, Osama was recruiting hijackers to fly planes into the WTC. So, get off your fucking high horses and get with the facts, jerk offs.
Americans.... by messi	Apr 8th, 2008 11:19:50 AM
fuckin hell.
Statute of Limitations for War Crimes? by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 8th, 2008 11:22:25 AM
Ask the Kmer Rouge. We're still going after those bastards. A boy can dream, right?
why is this on AICN? by batzilla	Apr 8th, 2008 11:22:55 AM
I hate Oliver Stone. He sucks ass. And why a movie about dubya? Why not a stupid, piece of shit movie about JFK?
Dubya's bad but... by sidestepper	Apr 8th, 2008 11:24:06 AM
can't hold a torch to Jimma Carter - 17% approval rating, couldn't kick his ass out fast enough after fucking shit up for only 4 years
The whole 'Liberal' thing by uppercanuck	Apr 8th, 2008 11:25:46 AM
Interesting how in the U.S. the term 'Liberal' is so often used in a derogatory manner. Then again, so is 'Conservative'. It's not that much different up here in Canada, but at least our divide isn't driven by such hate. Apples & oranges, I know, I know. For what it's worth, the assumed disdain for Americans up here is pretty much non-existent, except to those who buy into the idea that U.S. media represents the average American. Obviously that idea is horse shit.
WWII parallel is flawed by Kentucky Colonel	Apr 8th, 2008 11:31:22 AM
In WWII, we didn't care about killing women & children. Ask the old folk in Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg, Hiroshima. We didn't have 24/7 media coverage. The soldiers didn't have to fill out paperwork every time they discharged their weapons. Iraq is not a war. It is a sham. If we were really at war we would be out there killing every mother's son. We're seemingly just swatting at flies. I wish we'd never gone there, but if we are there and serious about getting the job done...KILL KILL KILL! Then LEAVE LEAVE LEAVE! Enough of this "waiting for the Iraqi army to take over" bullshit. And I'd rather have a lying, blow job snatching, budget balancing big mac addict than a holier-than-thou (insert your Bushisim here) idiot who bankrupts everything he has ever touched. Fuck Raplph Nader, too.
Oliver Stone sucks by Ashok0	Apr 8th, 2008 11:34:31 AM
Seriously, no one cares about this hack director.
Will Stone make a movie about Obama and his pastor? by Ashok0	Apr 8th, 2008 11:35:28 AM
THOSE EVIL WHITEYS!!!!!
I don't hate Liberals. by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 11:36:12 AM
I've grown up in California, and I can say with much certainty that California Liberals are filled with much more hate than California Conservatives. I've had debates with FRIENDS who would say that I am so "full of shit." Democrats HATE Republicans. Republicans respectfully disagree with Democrats. I do not use "Liberal" as a derogatory word, but one that aptly describes someone's political stance on Government and Economics.
Fuck all politicians by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:36:24 AM
Cant really defend any of them. This country is going to shit no matter who is in charge. Believe dat!
I love bush movies, oh wait a min G.W. :( by wowsucks	Apr 8th, 2008 11:37:07 AM
Then again Oliver Stone is know for the details, ha! Either way, who cares which equals fail!
Everything is about Money by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:37:49 AM
And all you stupid asses that defend Bush should realize there is nothing Moral or Noble about Iraq. Fuckin sheep
Ashok0 by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 11:38:16 AM
Are you a "typical white person"? Oh, I love how this stuff is just swept under the rug!
A movie about Bush is a bad bad idea... by Darth Macchio	Apr 8th, 2008 11:38:31 AM
...at least for another 10 or 15 years (personally I think a "fictionalized but based in truth" movie is unwarranted for Bush but that's me). I cannot see how it won't be biased...even with Nixon and all...coming from Stone. The man is nothing if not opinionated. He wasn't exactly truthful in the freakin 'Doors' movie for Fletch's sake! And while I might agree with Stone on his bias (not a Bush supporter)...it does no one any good to bullshit one way or the other. This period of our history is going to be marked like many other dramatic and huge changing periods of our history and we (Americans, that is) owe it to our Nation and those who've come before us and those who enabled us to be here...we owe them the simple honor of the truth...if it paints Bush and his administration as good or bad. The truth is all that matters. Also have to chime in...got "The Mist" on dvd yesterday and even fully knowing the ending....holy shit...I'm still dwelling on it heavily almost 24 hours later...an absolutely Amazing, powerful, and heartbreaking film...Darabount is a genius filmmaker. The Struzan tribute is kick ass too!
The Mist by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:39:59 AM
IMO The Mist was the most slept on movie of last year for sure. Great ending.
Mission: Accomplished starring Tom Cruise by Napoleon Park	Apr 8th, 2008 11:43:51 AM
Osama Bin Laden and Al Queada conspired to have a suicide squad launch multiple attacks on the WTC, the Pentagon and the White House (the third attack was stopped by the plane's passengers), So we bombed the crap out of Afghanistan, then overthrew the government of Iraq and had their leader's son's skulls crushed. mission accomplished! Then terrorists mailed anthrax to various targets in the US and we... well, uh, found Hussein and posted his execution on YouTube and lenno got a few good jokes out of it. Mission accomplished! 4000 US soldiers dead trying to shore up a government we knocked down in the first place? Sure. Mission Accomplished! Oh, and finding Bin Laden, finding our who mailed the anthrax and providing our soldiers with body armor? Mission... we're working on it.
Darth Macchio by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 11:46:01 AM
Nicely said! Developing a movie, for ANY KIND OF PRESIDENT, shouldn't occur while he's STILL PRESIDENT. There's no way that it can't be anything other than biased. Wait a couple years... Once Obama or McCain are out of office, THEN you can create a movie about Bush.
Oliver wants to bang Hillary the movie. by wowsucks	Apr 8th, 2008 11:48:53 AM
Any takers? Not matter anyones view, bush is evil, blah, blah, blah. They all pretty much suck, and we are always stuck having to choose the best of the worst options. Either way, yes the movie should have waited.
I'd bang Chelsea by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:51:13 AM
She's gotten better than i thought she would. just a thought
Clinton Obama v. McCain Rice by Napoleon Park	Apr 8th, 2008 11:53:33 AM
Because neihther party wants to be the one to fail to fix the mess this country is in during the next 8 years. Watching this election is like watching giveaway checkers, both parties manueuvering to lose in order to avoid getting the blame for not being able to fix this mess. I will still go out and vote for the best woman for the job, but face, it, the country is so screwed. Let's go watch a Speed Racer movie and try not to think about the future.
Chelsea has bug eyes by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 11:56:19 AM
She's a freakin' insect. She should be burned with a giant magnifying glass.
Into bug eyed chicks.... by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:57:15 AM
Its my thing i guess
ccchhhrrriiisssm and fffrrriiiends. by ZeroCorpse	Apr 8th, 2008 11:57:56 AM
Free Republic is that way -----> Go there. I'm really sick of your childish "libtards" cries and Obama teeth-gnashing. It's clear you don't want any of us to join you or see your side of it, because you don't give respectful, compelling answers. You only throw insults and hate around, and make up silly names like a schoolyard brat. Seriously, fuck right off to Freeper land, where they LOVE that juvenile shit.
Darth Macchio by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 11:57:56 AM
Whatever, the movie has to be made now! In 10 or 15 years, when China controls the world, they will not allow any movies to be made about other leaders. So its either now or never.
Unless shes a Mantis by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 11:58:02 AM
In which case, I'd give it to her hard and fast, then she'd eat me.
Quote of the Day: Napoleon Park by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 8th, 2008 12:01:05 PM
"Put it his way, 25% approval means if you and your girlfriend go out to dinner with her best friend and her boyfriend, one of you is a fucking idiot"
ZeroCorpse by santi01	Apr 8th, 2008 12:01:39 PM
Thats all they can do. Then when someone asks for a justifiable defense for this administration, they tell you to either go read some stupid blog, or they say they cant answer that in a talkback. Intelligence at its finest!
I hate Bush, but I don't picture him this way. by FluffyUnbound	Apr 8th, 2008 12:01:53 PM
I suppose we had to expect that Stone would decide merely to depict W as a sports-obsessed idiot who doesn't really care about what he's doing, but I honestly WISH that was W's gig. What's funny is that Stone is making the exact same error in dealing with W's personality that he made with Alexander's. Stone doesn't seem to have understood that the key to Alexander was that, faced with the task of living up to a larger-than-life father, Alexander latched on to the poetic examples of heroes as presented in Homer, and lived his life as an attempt to become one of those heroes. Everything Alexander ever did makes perfect sense once you realized that he was trying to act out a romantic literary fantasy in real life. I think the problem with W is that he too has taken mental and emotional refuge in quasi-literary "hero characters", but instead of Achilles, Bush thinks he's Lincoln or Truman, refusing to compromise or budge and sticking to his guns to the bitter end. The problem is that the picture he has of these past Presidents is extraordinarily simplistic and flawed, and is based on bootlicking biographers and their fantasies, and isn't grounded in the reality of how these earlier men actually led. The other problem is that sticking to your guns is an admirable thing when you're right [as Lincoln was] but it's the absolute worst thing to do when you're wrong. Bush thinks he's Lincoln, when he's really Custer. So the models Bush is trying to emulate to get over the fact that he always disappointed his dad are both factually wrong, and don't really supply any useful guidance to his current situation. Oh well, it's less than a year now so I guess we will live.
Other notable bug-eyed chicks by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 12:02:12 PM
Janine from "Ghostbusters", Ileana Douglas, and the mother from the X-File episode, "Home".
Banging Chelsea would be like... by wowsucks	Apr 8th, 2008 12:02:43 PM
That girl you never admit to your friends, but on a lonely night with a few drinks and slim options, sure do able. Pull her hair over her face and picture better things.
Standards for Quote of the Day Have Dropped Precipitously by sidestepper	Apr 8th, 2008 12:03:19 PM

"Was it over... by SmilingPolitely	Apr 8th, 2008 12:04:09 PM
when Saddam bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!" Zombie John Belushi should for W!
Who knew... by morGoth	Apr 8th, 2008 12:04:54 PM
...that when Bush said "You are either with us or you are against us." he was speaking domestically as well. Look what he's done to this country...polarization and hate (thanks a lot Turdblossom)...hah! Some "uniter" he's become. It wasn't even this bad in the late sixties during Vietnam. I will not be seeing this movie since we are at the beginning of the "End of An Error!" Good riddance to Dubya and his administration.
Have they announced who is going by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 12:07:16 PM
to play the part of Satan in this yet?
JazzTerminator and other reactionaries. by ZeroCorpse	Apr 8th, 2008 12:07:48 PM
"THEY WANT TO KILL YOU" Are you really that tinfoil hat paranoid? Oooh! I'm shaking. Teh terruhrists want to blow up America! We'd better hide in our houses, duct tape the doors, and clutch our guns until Bush can kill all them terruhrists and it will be safe again! Grow a pair and stop relying on the military to protect you from miniscule threats. The chances of you being killed by a terrorist are slimmer than the chances of you being killed by lightning. What's Bush doing about lightning? Or car accidents? Or cancer? Or disgruntled laid off Americans? THEY are more of threat to you than any middle-eastern terrorist with a Jihad against this nation. You look like a bunch of spineless pussies when you whine about how Bush is taking the fight to the terrorists who "WANT TO KILL YOU!!!!!!" Give it a rest. AMERICA has killed more people in the past eight years than ANY terrorist organization. I think the world at large sees us as the bigger threat in the world, at the moment. OMG! I said something to criticize my own country! That must make ME a terruhrist or a traitor or a "blame America first" liberal. SHUDDER! Whatever shall I do when the conservative masses decide they hate me even MORE than they already do just for disagreeing with them? I think I'll go hide in my bunker and wait for the government to take care of the problem. Yeah. That'll work. Now GET YOUR ASS TO FREE REPUBLIC, and take your stupid arguments with you.
Is there any reverence left for the office itself? by JacksParasites	Apr 8th, 2008 12:08:07 PM
The film sounds like a train wreck but honestly, what kind of dopey comment is this: "...with no reverence for hierarchy, the office itself or for the implications of policy," No, there's no reverence for the office anymore. After 7 years of Bush, any1 who still have reverence for the office is probably the type who'd prefer living in North Korea, where there's lots and lots of reverence for their leader. Enjoy.
Polarization: It Takes Two to Tango by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:08:09 PM
And Bush doesn't have a "polarize population" button in the Whitehouse. The individuals who decide to look at their ideological opponents with a black-and-white view, compare them to Nazis, etc., etc.--those are the polarizers. It's voluntary, and individual responsibility, and a completely bi-partisan effort (yay, bi-partisanship!).
Liberalism is a "religion" by Thunderbolt Ross	Apr 8th, 2008 12:08:15 PM
And they have to have their "devil"? That's fucking retarded. There is no "faith" or suspension of disbelief to knowing Bush is a horrible president. It's been well-documented. Unfortunately no-one made up the fact that he's a moron - it's evident any time he speaks extemporaneously ... Really, I mean, a small industry has developed around the fact that he's an incurious, ex-alcoholic born-again Jesus freak. Anyone who says otherwise is the one going on baseless faith.
ZeroCorpose: Bush's War on Lightning by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:09:29 PM
Don't give him any ideas.
Please... by sidestepper	Apr 8th, 2008 12:10:16 PM
make the snide, snarky, uber-sarcastic comments stop! So fucking annoying.
Seriously, Love the Lightning Stat by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:11:44 PM
But it doesn't even begin to cover it. More people are killed, every year, by coconuts falling on their heads than by terrorist attacks. Slipping in their bath tub. Etc. It doesn't mean that terrorism should go unchallenged or unresponded to, as it should. But some perspective would be nice. I think more people are killed be terrorists than by shark attacks, however. So terrorists are technically more dangerous than sharks.
sidestepper by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 12:12:34 PM
Without snide, snarky, uber-sarcastic comments then TB would cease to exist.
Thunderbolt Ross by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:12:52 PM
You sound like a Baptist preacher talking about Jesus and the resurrection. Exactly like 'em. Right down to the offended tone. Just saying.
America is a Bigger Threat than Terrorists by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:14:36 PM
Damn straight. As it should be.
Series7 by sidestepper	Apr 8th, 2008 12:15:12 PM
good point, my bad. let 'em rip!
Who cares !!!! Watch Thirteen Days instead!!! by picardsucks	Apr 8th, 2008 12:17:44 PM
Too soon anyway, Wanna see an amzing true no agenda one way or another film, watch Thirteen Days. Could watch it once a month. Greenwood as JFK is awesome!!! That scene with Stevenson verbally fucking up the fat slavic barbarian Soviet ambassador was just a pleasure. Gorgeous film should have gotten a lot more accolades !!
BTW, Stop-Loss has Made $8 Million by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:17:52 PM
Domestically. Compared to a $25 million dollar budget. Why? Because it's liberal? Because it's anti-American? No! Because it sounds boring! It sounds like, "Do I really want to spend 2 hours in a theater and $8 bucks or more to see this? Uh, no." And that's going to be Oliver Stone's Dubya. Do I really want to spend time and money on this? Um, no. Thanks for playing, though.
PicardSucks . . . what? by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:19:11 PM
Just curious? Riker? Or Gates McFadden?
Thunderbolt Ross . . . by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:20:35 PM
Why won't you just let poor Bruce Banner be? He's a man, not a piece of military hardware! Can't you see what you're doing to him?
Again, more evidence to back my cause... by PirateEmery	Apr 8th, 2008 12:22:43 PM
Sure, some of ccchhhrrriiisssm's statements were a little vehement, but all I have ever heard from the Left was hatred. If we as much as QUESTION Obama, you get up in arms. Yet, you can compare Bush to the Devil? At least McCain ain't racist.
Oh good! Oliver Stone is rushing through this movie by TVguy4566	Apr 8th, 2008 12:24:41 PM
Most of his movies over the last decade has been sloppy messes. I enjoyed Any Given Sunday for what it was, but the Natural Born Killer effects and jump cuts were nausiating at times. Alexander was a mess. World Trade Center was a movie of the week type of fair. Now Stone wants to potentially have this thing done for the November election or at the very least by January 20, 2009. I can see a butcher job in the editing room. Forget the political aspect of it, Stone has had an ADD view to editing over the last decade or so. With even less time to edit, it is going to be all over the place.
ZeroCorpse... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 12:26:12 PM
I'm on a lunch break right now. Quick comment: So you feel that it is alright for liberals to mock the President (in all honesty, this is unfair hatred and ridicule) and every other conservative or Republican? That is what happens in AICN talkback forums. Someone will say something stupid about a conservative, a conservative will respond, the mindless zombies known as liberals begin spewing their vile HATRED toward anything conservative. Conservatives will respond with a similar tone. Guys like you will call only the conservatives "childish." Congratualations! You are the latest example of liberal hypocrisy! Keep sucking away at the DNC's putrid cock. You suck on it the way a baby sucks on a mother's tit! The rest of us (with some semblance of an education) at least can distinguish between TRUTH and PURE HATE. McCain is the ONLY SAFE CHOICE in November! Obama is just a pretender. McCain/Rice in 2008!
kevinwillis.net by Series7	Apr 8th, 2008 12:28:11 PM
Yeah that and Stop Loss was being targeted at teens. Wasn't it an MTV Films production?
Who wants to see an Oliver Stone film? by AntoniusBloc	Apr 8th, 2008 12:29:00 PM
The guy has lost whatever he had for his early films like Platoon, perhaps due to loss of brain cells due to drug use...but a Bush bashing film at the end of his term, can't think of a better way to boost the inexplicable unpopular President Bush because everyone knows how Stone treats the truth in his films...history will prove President Bush to be one of our greatest Presidents, and at the very least, he is one of the greatest leaders, and is a true leader, who doesn't make decisions based on a public opinion poll. Go to the archives, every expert, left or right, republican or democrat or libertarian, predicted that not soon after the 9/11 attacks we would have another attack soon on our soil, many predicting multiple attacks, envisioning suicide bombers at your local starbucks...hmmm, is didn't happen..also, our economy was suppsed to collapse...is it perfect now? No, but the attacks were supposed to devastate our economy...it didn't, yet somehow the media has convinced that President Bush has been a complete failure when he actually has been willing to make the tough decisions and actually be a leader. On a different subject, saw some cool Narnia tv spots, action in this film looks impressive:http://www.iklipz.c om/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=dd cee004-e9e7-4f4b-9f7c-a480cbc5 7ac9
Stop-Loss Being Targeted to Teens by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:32:42 PM
Bonheaded marketing move. But, I saw plenty of marketing for Stop-Loss, watched the trailer. In every case, it was like: why would I want to see this? If I were an MTV generation teen, then I would be seriously asking: would I rather watch this or play Halo 3 (or insert actual cool game that I'm too out of it to know)? Would this movie help me get laid? No? Pass.
Why can't liberals understand that... by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 12:33:07 PM
...America WON the war in 2004, and we are simply trying to keep the peace? Regardless of whether or not you agreed with the war to begin with (although polls say that 73% of Americans supported it in 2003 -- meaning either some of you are lying or changed your mind), the fact remains that a premature pullout would be a disaster. But Obama is just too stupid to understand that, isn't he? His 0 years of military service and 3 years in Congress compare little to his 25 years of indoctrination under a racist, unpatriotic pastor. While our soldiers were fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama was making MILLIONS working for Tony "the Syrian" Rezko keeping thousands of African Americans in Rezko's Chicago slums. Nice job, Obama!
Bush's aproval by Lingerdog	Apr 8th, 2008 12:33:16 PM
Someone made an argument about Bush's approval rating and 1 in 4 saying it's ok to kill 4000 Innocent Americans for no reason, that is where logic disappears from the argument, those that do support the war don't see it as being for no reason. I would like to see a person that feels it was for no reason to go up to a soldier getting off a plane and tell him he wasted whatever amount of time he was in country doing nothing, that his sacrifice is worth nothing because he was there for nothing. On the flip side is the fact that bush's approval ratings were in the 70% range when he first went into Iraq, doesn't that mean that nearly 3/4's of people felt that there was a compelling reason to go to Iraq then? So then will come the argument of the fleecing of America, but the 3/4's of people who now claim to hate Bush will say that they've always hated him, so how did he have such high approval numbers back then. It isn't foreign policy that destroyed his approval ratings, it is his handling of Katrina and the illegal immigration fiasco that have torpedoed him faster than anything else. In the article it says that it portrays Bush as being manipulated by his inner circle, so if it was his inner circle how can you blame him for what has happened, and if it was he that made the decisions unilaterally then why hate Cheney?
GOD DAMN AMERICA! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 12:35:18 PM
...or as Obama would say, "The voice of the American people!"
"GOD DAMN AMERICA!" by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 12:35:22 PM
...or as Obama would say, "The voice of the American people!"
I hate Americans who think they understand politics by bornofdust	Apr 8th, 2008 12:36:51 PM
What else is there to say beyond that? If you want to know what a bad presidency is, get over yourselves and take a look through American history. There has been far worse. Oh and there's no way in hell I'm going to see this movie. I don't care how "unbiased" he thinks it is.
PirateEmery: I Hear a lot of Vitriole on the Right by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:39:11 PM
And I don't like it, but I do understand it . . . I think it reflects the tendency of many on the right to be reactionary. Re: Oh, yeah? I'm a Nazi? Well, you're a Stalinist! And a poopy-pants! That being said, I've had lots of great friendships with liberals who could avoid the typical "You're a Nazi, you're a neocon piece of shit" rhetoric that characterizes much of the left-wing's "deep thought". We agree to disagree, and that's that. Still, I was driven to question my personal, college-age liberalism by just such vitriole, intolerance, and hypocrisy by a bunch of lefties I went to school with, and I gotta thank them for it. I think partisan vitriole is, on the whole, fairly bi-partisan. Certainly seems to be in these TalkBacks.
"At least McCain ain't racist." by FluffyUnbound	Apr 8th, 2008 12:39:39 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? It is well documented that McCain openly refers to Asian people as "gooks", and openly admits that he hates them all and wants to kill them. Some people might say, "Well, he was in that prison camp," but you know what? Our fucking ALLIES in that war were Asian. If Obama himself [not his sideshow barker pastor] went around saying, "You know what? I hate crackers. I wish I had killed more of them," do you think he would be the nominee of a major party for President? And it's not just Asians. In one of the primary debates, one of the candidates suggested that ties between the US and various Muslim states might be improved by trade. Unable to contain himself, the gibbering old senile fool McCain laughed and said, "I don't want to trade for no burkhas!" instantly hitting an all time low for comments in a debate. Can you picture what would happen if someone had said, in response to a statement about trade with Israel, "I don't want to trade for no yarmulkes!" or had said of China, "I don't want to trade for no chopsticks!" or of some African nation, "I don't want to trade for no spears!" But because McCain said it, it's OK, because the media bought into the narrative of McCain the saint years ago and now nothing can change it, no matter what the crazy old psycho says. I realize that there was a time when John McCain provided honorable service to the United States, but he pissed that away years ago. He certainly shit all over his own service and disgraced it and the uniform he once wore for all time when he helped craft a "compromise" on the Military Commissions Act, providing the President with amnesty for military and intelligence personnel who had committed torture and war crimes. Fuck McCain and fuck the press types [like John King] who can't stop sucking his cock long enough to report basic facts about the man.
We Will Always Have Bad Presidents by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:41:07 PM
Until we get rid of the carbon units infesting this planet. Only when a perfect utopia run by machines, of the machines, and for the machines, shall we truly have a perfect "president"--or supreme ruling unit, as I like to say.
Labelling Obama as a racist.... by Bobo_Vision	Apr 8th, 2008 12:42:16 PM
...is the white conservative way of attacking Obama without being considered racist themselves, at least they hope. You get a white right-wing guy angrily going after a black politician with no merit, and it doesn't look good. The remedy, call the black guy a racist even if its unfounded in the hope of deflecting their own attitude towards blacks.
Obama is Extremely Liberal by kevinwillis.net	Apr 8th, 2008 12:43:20 PM
And I'll probably vote against him. Is that racist?
"GOD DAMN AMERICA!" by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Apr 8th, 2008 12:43:48 PM
By the way, Obama, this is NOT the "voice of the American people." This is the voice of a racist, biased liberal who happens to have been your spiritual guide for 20+ years. A real American would h

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