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Partners In Crime!! Three Reviews Of DOCTOR WHO 4.1!!

Catherine Tate by Call me Kenneth	Apr 5th, 2008 05:33:11 PM
Jesus
Can't wait can't wait can't wait.... by R L S	Apr 5th, 2008 05:38:58 PM
...can't wait can't wait can't wait.
It really sucks that TVLinks got shut down... by R L S	Apr 5th, 2008 05:40:05 PM
I don't know where else online to see new and classic Who.
It wasn't THAT good by supertoyslast	Apr 5th, 2008 05:40:18 PM
It was okay. Not as good as Smith & Jones for a series opener. Tate may not be as bad as in the Christmas special, but there was little here to suggest she might actually be good. It's next week's episode that I'm looking forward to - set in Pompeii and filmed on the 'Rome' set. Bring on Volcano Day! But enough with the incessant music already. Not every single second needs to be scored.
I loved Dr. Who so much as a kid.. by Brunomac	Apr 5th, 2008 05:41:10 PM
why am I so uninterested now? I guess Pertwee and Baker ruined me for the dooshy, sweater-wearing Docs to follow (yeah, I'm that old)
Dr Who by NudeandAroused	Apr 5th, 2008 05:45:18 PM
Has been a fun revival. My son and I enjoy it every week.
Attention Americans! by Call me Kenneth	Apr 5th, 2008 05:46:09 PM
This episode was written by Russell T (Ooh, missus! Where's me screwdriver?) Davies. Save up your downloadage credits for the next one instead. It's got a volcano in it.
It was mostly good by photoboy	Apr 5th, 2008 05:46:24 PM
But the presence of Billie in it knocks some points off. I hope she's not going to be in this season too much... Catherine Tate was less annoying than I expected, although I've have preferred they kept Martha as the companion.
it was ok but rose was ace by prime666	Apr 5th, 2008 05:54:03 PM
I was a bit disappointed in it. is no1 guna mention the lame job they did pimping the theme tune??? Kill off Tate and unghost Rose
i'm a Tater by Cedar_Room	Apr 5th, 2008 05:59:09 PM
and whilst she was certainly less annoying here than in the Christmas special - she's still got a long long way to go to reach the heights of Rose and Martha. Not only were they good characters (and good actresses) they both were a little bit fit. I liked the mime scene, thought the aliens were very silly. Also suprised no-one has mentioned Sarah Lancashires Wile E Coyote death - that was rather lame. I'll keep watching, coz it still might get better. Tennant is definitely a great Doctor.
why no talkback on the sag/aftra split? by bacci40	Apr 5th, 2008 06:03:28 PM
cuz this doesnt look good at all...both are gonna negotiate seperately and the chances of a strike by one or both looks pretty good...think the wga hurt production? this will kill it...and the economy of los angeles and america with it
To Cedar_Room, the Tater by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Apr 5th, 2008 06:10:12 PM
At least you're willing to acknowledge that Tate has improved her character since she last appeared. That's a start. In the coming weeks we may see that she can be completely serious for a whole episode or two, and you may decide to cease your Tater roasting (I can do these all day, no problem). And btw, I did say that Sarah Lancashire's end was poor too. I like your Wile E Coyote reference.
Blame this on Mr Bigith Dicketh In Moutheth....Stair him down!! by TomBodet	Apr 5th, 2008 06:14:46 PM
What-Stair? Stairs? Matt Stairs? Fred Astairs? Daleks? Did someone say STAIRS and Daleks in the SAME Sentence? Why SURE they did son! Help Me Lord Prince Obama-yer my only hope-we're trapped and being chased by 100 mad plunger wielding Daleks O Lord Prince Obama HELP-whadda we do????? Well, as a Community Organizer in South Chicago-esp in the Cicero neck of the woods, this is what I did. It's a Two-Point Program, yes indeed. You foil this Dastardly Attack by these Horribly terrifying Aliens Hordes by(write this down now, very important you remember)-running thru a doorway, and then-Going Up Stairs. Better yet, use the Escalator. It helps if you can double-clutch too! Prince Obama over and out.
Weak by kuryakin	Apr 5th, 2008 06:22:07 PM
I mean come on this was the series opener and what was the huge villain he had to face? A bunch of fatbabies from space? And a villain whose idea of being menacing was to take her glasses off when delivering one line and then put them on again for the next line (a move commonly known as the David Caruso gambit I believe) and as for Catherine Tate, I'm sorry but she is just shit. I did like how the Doctor had that kind of oh-shit-did-I-say-I-would-call -you moment when she mentioned how he had invited her to come with him but overall, this was a really dull episode. Why do they keep letting Rusty Davies write these things? Speaking of writing things, I appreciate that some people will not have seen it and will want to know all about what happens in an episode but telling us every single thing that happened just doesn't count as a review and worse, it undermines the efforts of the other people who are submitting reviews and trying not to give stuff away
I'm gonna miss Martha by Trik_Ster	Apr 5th, 2008 06:31:42 PM
She was a very smart, self sufficient, and interesting companion (when she wasn't pining over the Doctor) and Freema is very hawt.
First review should have been cut in half by performingmonkey	Apr 5th, 2008 07:27:21 PM
Why have a review where the whole episode is described in detail? What you want in a review is opinions of how good the episode is and just a brief synopsis that doesn't give away too much. By the H Christ-child... I thought the episode was OK but it's probably going to be the weakest of all 13. It didn't match up to the IMO brilliant 'Smith & Jones' of last year (the intro to Martha Jones, featuring the hospital being transported to the Moon by the Judoon...platoon, one of Russell T Davies's best). I liked the Adipose enemies (if you can call them that!), the shots of hundreds of them were brilliantly done for the budget of this series, they were aided by WETA Digital I believe. As usual though, the story idea was too big to be fully realised in 45 minutes, but in the end this one was mainly about bringing Catherine Tate's character back. The Pompeii episode looks to be like...an episode of 'Rome' but Doctor Who style. Excellent!
RTD delivers his usual brand of shitness. by TinSpider	Apr 5th, 2008 07:29:57 PM
That cunt needs to go. NOW. I'm really hoping I can last the full season, because there is at least one good episode per run, but Catherine Fucking Tate??? I hate that ugly ginger bitch. I find her to be the most irritating person on tv. Even when she's not talking she bugs the shit out of me. And my wife. And my mother in law. In fact my entire fucking family... and my friends. Actually, come to thhink of it I don't know one person who actually likes her. Wierd that, considering her popularity.
review length by danowen	Apr 5th, 2008 07:33:21 PM
I usually do shorter reviews, but this specific one wasn't tailored directly for AICN, sorry. It's usually fairly obvious where the meat of the review begins, so just scan down to the last few paragraphs. I'll try and make sure future reviews aren't so detailed when I send them in.
US Fans, if you can't wait for Sci-Fi to air Who 4.0 by Head In A Box	Apr 5th, 2008 07:40:52 PM
If you're in the U.S. and can't wait, just download some good 'ol bit torrent software (I use Azureus) and you can download a pretty decent quality .avi file of each episode. They're usually up within an hour or two of airing in the UK. I got all of Season 3 that way last year. And for any prissy copyright-infringement whiners out there, I only downloaded them to tide me over till the DVD's came out, which I gladly handed my money over for when the time came and will gladly do so again when season 4 hits DVD. Just a couple more megs to go on my download. WOO HOO! NEW WHO!!! CAN'T WAIT!!!
it was sucess..... by Gabba-UK	Apr 5th, 2008 08:07:39 PM
in so much that I didn't drive my foot through the screen when Tate was on it. Yes I do admit that her performance, and I use that term quite wrongly, has been massively toned down since The Runaway Bride but that was most likely due to the huge outcry and fan backlash since it was announced that Tate was on board the tardis full time. Seriously expectations were so low about what the result going to be that it would have to be a an incredibly poor episode to fail to reach them them. Fortune, luck and some skill prevented a complete crapfest unfolding before my eyes and I can't help but wonder how much greater an episode it would've been if the much better Sally Sparrow from last seasons Blink was the new assistant. Still, I'm going to watch it next week but it most improve and do it soon if this Tater is going to watch past episode 4 which is the limit at which I think I can tolerate Tate without going Postal. By the way Rose showing up in the first episode was SO clearly tacked on at a much later date that it obvious what RTD was doing. It screamed 'please don't write us off just yet. If you stick around well show you a bit more Rose if you do.' Well, sorry RTD I ain't biting. 3 more episodes to change my mind and no more. I REALLY can't fucking stand Catherine Tate......
Sorry about the poor use of some of my English... by Gabba-UK	Apr 5th, 2008 08:22:15 PM
But I've just got home after a very long day working 14 hours managing a betting shop on Grand National day. It was not a good result for the bookies by the way.
fucking terrible by Mr_X	Apr 5th, 2008 08:30:59 PM
really fat babies? really? was it syupposed to be meancing? complete shite. here, have a special effects budget and use it on complete bollocks. why oh why does russell t still has his grubby fingers all over this series? give it to moffat who can give create quality epsiodes. i missed teh opening credits but because it stank so much i knew who fucking wrote it.
Holy Shit! A Doctor Who talkback?!?! by ZeroCorpse	Apr 5th, 2008 08:37:37 PM
Thanks Herc! I honestly appreciate it. Now, if you could just get your damn Buffy DVD set off the page, it would be perfect.
It is great by Nortimus	Apr 5th, 2008 08:42:08 PM
Downloaded it. Watched it. Loved it. It's a very solid season opener and I'm incredibly excited to see where this "jam packed" season takes us. Who fans will not be disappointed.
this weeks torchwood on the other hand by Mr_X	Apr 5th, 2008 08:43:37 PM
was actually ok. death galore! - any writer will do apart from russell t
"Review" doesn't mean "plot summary" by Mr Willi	Apr 5th, 2008 08:44:03 PM
I'm glad I saw the episode before reading the first "review." It is not necessary recounting the ENTIRE plot ... save yourself some time and typing by just sticking to what you thought of it. That said, I thought it was a pretty strong episode, better than the Xmas special by far. It is a good kickoff to what I'm hoping will be a great season. As far as Rose... let's just say a little internet searching will tell you why she is back...
Tate by Specktron	Apr 5th, 2008 08:44:45 PM
...I think she's a bit sexy. Erm...discuss....(cough)
This week's Torchwood was good. (spoilers) by ZeroCorpse	Apr 5th, 2008 08:53:14 PM
Left a lot of questions-- Like where the hell are they going to get another medic AND another technical genius? Damn. I was just getting to like Owen, and I ALWAYS like Tosh. I liked her even more after seeing how she got into Torchwood, and then a week later they off her?!?! Wahhh!!!!! As I've been saying ALL this season of Torchwood has been quite good, though you wouldn't know it from looking at AICN. Perhaps if Whedon writes an episode of Torchwood, or admits to watching it, or mentions that he's heard of it, we'll get some Torchwood news on here. Anyway, Glad to see Doctor Who get some love, anyway. I won't look a gift Timelord in the mouth.
i would if i had to by Mr_X	Apr 5th, 2008 08:53:49 PM
i cant focus beyond that thing on the side of her chin. if i was forced out of all the currect who universe it would be martha first, tosh season, and then gwen.
Must...find...torrent... by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 5th, 2008 08:56:55 PM
I've been updating my search and no dice so far. And yeah, WTF was up with Torchwood? I refuse to believe SPOILER Owen and Tosh won't be back. Especially Tosh. I require her breasty English Asian-ness.
zerocorpse by Mr_X	Apr 5th, 2008 08:57:08 PM
less of the buffy bashing please. quite good who is below par wheldon. but yeah, torchwood has been rather good of late, even though it has some rather rediculous and hammy acting storylines.
I guess next they'll get by Trik_Ster	Apr 5th, 2008 09:01:24 PM
that unibrow chick from the cashew commercials You can see her here: http://tinyurl.com/3xg35w
I am bovered. by O_Goncho	Apr 5th, 2008 09:12:27 PM
I can't get past how much I hate Cathetine Tate, no matter how toned down her character now is. Pretty bland, forgettable episode really. Only the scene where the Doctor and Donna first spot each other, and the ending made it worth watching.
Comply or Die by proper	Apr 5th, 2008 09:25:21 PM
I won the national today 7-1,thanks Babylon opression.My other horse Iron Man didn't even get over the second fence lol,thanks N.E.R.D. nation ;).......that ep was alright,harmless fun.Bernard Cribbens FTW.Why didnt Billie stick around to tell where the car keys were?,thats selfish.You lot will all watch every episode so don't tell fibs,why that would be like me saying that although in my opinion Torchwood is still really super crap and I'm glad that people who want to discuss it are trapped in the zone where they can talk about which characters would be able to help them buy a nice set of curtains and that everybody in Cardiff plays for whatever team they feel like like representing based on which side of the bed they got up on for infinity which is probably why Herc doesn't bother leaving a talkback (good) and that I'm well above it even though I watched it every week,accepted the good,laughed off the bad(and very bad) and would,in a sick kind of way miss it if it was gone.Glad Lee Evans got killed twice but I'm sure Tosh got killed because I said here last year that she is the only one I'd keep..Did anybody catch the first 3 Dalek episodes on BBC3 tonight?,ah how far we have come...http://tinyurl.com/3mwv x8...http://tinyurl.com/53xzt9 ...http://tinyurl.com/3oc2f8.. .http://tinyurl.com/3stk79..mi nd you,maybe not. BTW The greatest wrestler of all time retired on Sunday but he left us a valuble lesson http://tinyurl.com/3f8kqo,that was an emotional TV moment for the ages :).Diamonds are forever and so is Ric Flair and Dr WHOOOOOOOOOO.
Re: Kurutteru Yatsu by Head In A Box	Apr 5th, 2008 09:38:01 PM
I found my torrent of tonight's (and every other for that matter) episode on isohunt.com. Just do a search for Doctor Who Partners in Crime, and you're good to go.
Very Good Episode by jtishere	Apr 5th, 2008 09:50:12 PM
It's hard to do cute well in a science fiction series, but this episode managed to carry it off quite well. One of the better Doctor Who episdes I've seen. And the surprise did surprise.
I hate this show. by I Hope You Die	Apr 5th, 2008 09:54:39 PM
Every episode I've seen follows the same formula: (1) government official / business person is an alien; (2) doctor's companion interacts with her seemingly retarded family members; (3) doctor has to rescue someone who's fallen over a ledge; (4) people run through steam corridors shouting incoherently; (5) doctor's companion delivers poorly written contemplative monologue; (6) doctor finds alien central control system and stands their manipulating it with sonic screwdriver while babbling incoherently; (7) this causes the day to be saved in a cut away scene; (8) viewers left with unsatisfying ending to incoherent plot. Always in that order.
I would love to watch season 4 by Kovac	Apr 5th, 2008 09:55:03 PM
But I don't think I could take Catherine Tate. She was bad enough for a single episode, but a whole string of them? Gag me with a sock, it is just too much.
It'll Get Worse by albermarle	Apr 5th, 2008 09:57:18 PM
The best that can be said about Catherine Tate is that she wasn't totally repellent in tonight's episode. But damn she was close. Wooden acting, accent all over the place and looks grim. I love Dr Who and yet her presence is probably going to be the reason I stop watching in a couple of episodes.
The Adipose by EyeofPolyphemus	Apr 5th, 2008 09:59:24 PM
Those buggers look like the critters chasing after the kitten in that internet photo captioned, "Every time you masturbate, God kills a kitten."
Those aliens with the flatulence aren't back, are they? by kabong	Apr 5th, 2008 10:52:25 PM
I didn't read the review; it was too long, and my time is valuable. Is there an executive summary? Send it out for coverage.
Does Anyone thing that RTD's subtle hints for the series are not by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 5th, 2008 11:20:57 PM
I think that he is going down the well too many times... Can anyone say that the villain this season will have a vendetta against the Doctor based on love?!
I enjoyed the episode though... by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 5th, 2008 11:23:41 PM
One question: Would Galifry exist in alternate dimensions? Or do the Time Lords transcend dimensions and are completely wiped out?
Wasn't Martha supposed to show up on Torchwood? by punto	Apr 5th, 2008 11:34:11 PM
Did that happen on season 2? they seemed to be up to ep 12 last time I checked, and I didn't hear anything. If not, then why the fuck am I bothering with watching the train rack that was season 1?
She does show up by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 5th, 2008 11:37:24 PM
And I enjoyed it
Head In A Box by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 5th, 2008 11:55:56 PM
Yeah, not two minutes after I posted that I checked isohunt and grabbed it. Thoughts: Adipose = RTD thinking Domo-kun would make a fine addition to the Who list of alien races, the miming scene killed, and whether we all knew she was back or not seeing BP at the end was indeed a "HOLY SHIT" moment. Overall a fun episode; it looks like this season really will be lighter in tone. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to do an image search for Naoko Mori so I can continue mourning the loss of Toshiko's cleavage.
Catherine Tate's other work. by RenoNevada2000	Apr 6th, 2008 12:02:25 AM
I have a chance to see Catherine Tate in Mrs. Radcliffe's Revolution at the Philly Film Fest on MOnday. Have any Brits seen this flick? Should I definitely make time for it or find something else to fill that time slot in my fest schedule?
Is it me, or is Russel Davies making DR Who gay? by OBSD	Apr 6th, 2008 12:28:29 AM
Catherine Tate looks like the biggest fag-hag in the world. Look at the evolution of Companions over his run. You've got the "love interest" (Rose), The "rebound-but-only-in-a-friend- way" (Martha) and now, the "fag-hag" (Catherine Tate), Russel T Davies should stand down and give the job to Stephen Moffitt. Thank you Russell for reviving Dr. Who. We'll never forget you for that. Now please go away before you ruin it forever.
Martha was bril on Torchwood. by ZeroCorpse	Apr 6th, 2008 01:08:56 AM
And with Owen gone, we might see Martha come back? Anyway, for those who missed Torchwood, Martha is now a member of UNIT (thanks to a little recommendation by the Doctor). Season 2 of Torchwood was excellent, but unfortunately AICN chose not to cover it-- at all-- ever. Lotsa Buffy news, though. If you like that sort of thing. Anyway. I don't dislike Tate. It might be nice to have a companion that isn't hot for the Doctor. She was funny, and had a few moments that endeared her to me. We'll see how it goes. I still miss Martha, though. (Hottest. Companion. Ever.) And Rose! WTF?!?! How can Rose be there? And when the Doctor sees her, how badly will that hurt him? I have to admit, when I saw that sonic pen, I though for a moment that the nanny was actually The Rani. No such luck. I guess all the Timelords are dead now for real. Still waiting for Brian Blessed to have a cameo (or whole episode) as King Yrcanos. That would SO rock. (Blessed is still around, isn't he?)
Ahh. Yes. RIP Toshiko's cleavage. by ZeroCorpse	Apr 6th, 2008 01:11:16 AM
And the rest of her. She was great. I'll miss her. And Owen too. Buy hey! We've still got Ianto! That's something, isn't it? Isn't it? I just hope Torchwood doesn't piss on my dislike for Rhys and make him a member of the team. I DO. NOT. LIKE. RHYS. Gwen could do SO much better than that sod.
A strange brew,indeed.. by The True Priapic	Apr 6th, 2008 01:32:34 AM
Just watched the episode.A few thoughts....I like Tennant enormously and he really is a very likable presence.In fact it's great that the show's true star is the title character.The story was strangely uninvolving...especially after the dire Christmas special with botox minogue and that fucking hilarious(for all the wrong reasons)fat couple.JUst a genuinely mediocre effort with terrific Tennant. Strange that the effects are garnering such plaudits..the Adipose were just silly little things and their mother ship??I couldn't understand the reference.Why did the SFY crew so blatantly rip off CE3K mother ship?No ref needed here.The Nanny's death was just plain daft and it is indeed worrying that FUCKING Tate's presence is already redefing the show as a comedy. Then there are the two main points of conention.....NUMBER 1:Rose.....an obviously tacked on scene presumably shot out of context to fit Ms Piper in and added ...WHy??Thematically shouldn't the show concentrate on Donna and the Doctor as a reintroduction to a new companion.Rose's appearance(complete with downbeat Doomsday music illfittingly edited in between Donnas joyous theme as she races..er,around a corner to...do something...for no real reason.Why not leave the keys hidden in the bins in the dark alley next to the car????All very 'added-on'.Im guessing this is to guarantee interest in S4 incase people really do turn off because of the direction/THAT FUCKING WOMAN. Rose looked seriously monkey faced too,no smile,maybe an evil glint?Don't like her hair too much but still bangable.......Then there's Nmber 2: Donna.Lets start with the character...don't like her and I'm already a little tired of meeting companions family etc.,how they need excitement in their drab lives.The scene with Gramps was overblown and I find this rapidly growing number of smaltzy scenes rather offputting.Gramps cheering Donna..in a flying box with a weird fella??Rubbish.Rose on a beach was far more expertly made to elicit emotion.Donna is grating both in looks and sound)The moments in the episode when she stood about doing Fuck all while the Doctor saved the day were painful.Maybe,thats the point..she'll finally be proved later in the series to be a valuable companion.BUt my thoughts were "Why is she there?Where are Martha's jiggling bum cheeks?" I still see no real reason as to why Martha was jettisoned as she had grown to be a fairly good companion and by the end of S3 had found a fair balance with Tennant. Then there's the real Number Two:Catherine FUCKING Tate.I don't like her voice,I don't find her funny,I loathe her one-note actingstyle and I genuinely cannot watch her.It's like I said in another Talkback:I can literally smell her.It's like old chip batter and off vinegar.I appreciate young girls love Tennant but I'm certainly not sitting at home wanking to FUCKING Tate on a Saturday night!No Siree.I'll save up for hopefully more Boomer nudie shots in BSG.Grace Park I love you.That FUCKING Tate.I love how she overly expresses certain WORDS when she's getting ANGRY and ends her sentences LOSIN' 'ER ACCEN'!!Every time.
Thanks for covering this but... by gotilk	Apr 6th, 2008 01:41:09 AM
could have used a little more love for Torchwood here this season. It was an outstanding season.
R L S...tv links is back by bacci40	Apr 6th, 2008 01:48:15 AM
http://tv-links.cc/...and there are a ton more that are just as good...including one that for the life of me, i cant figure out how they stay online, as they charge to stream certain shows...what bullocks
TORCHWOOD! by Dataset	Apr 6th, 2008 01:50:16 AM
Cover it next year, please! Some of us don't Zone.
Russel T Davies - The Anti-Christ!! by Tigravaya	Apr 6th, 2008 02:54:44 AM
Sorry, but after watching last night's Episode 1 of new season of Who, I'm simply crying at what that total prick Russell T Davies has done with our once beloved show. Yes, congratualtions for getting it back on air, but as someone else said above - please fck off now!! I mean really, anything RTD writes is a total fucking embarrassment!! And maybe it has been said elsewhere, that I've missed, but his pathetic ripping off of Joss Whedon is just UNBELIEVABLE!! Season 2 .. Cybermen in an alternative universe .. our character find their alternate versions driving about in a van fighting the baddies. Hmmmm... 'Dopplegangland' anyone?? And Torchwood? What a farce! I actually found myself screaming at the TV at the opening of episode 1 of new season. Captain Jack's been gone without word, the team are trying to carry on the good fight alone, but messing up. They get caught up in a hostage situation with the baddie holding onto an innocent, gun to her head. Suddenly a shot rings out, and badd ie is dead. 'Don't fucking say it!" I scream. But no, Captain Jack stands there looking oh so smarmy and smiles at the camera 'Did you miss me?'. For FUCK'S SAKE!! A TOTAL rip-off of the Buffy Season 3 opener. And now this season, a character dies but is brought back to life by his friends .. but OH NO .. he's brought back something evil from the other side, that has to be fought and defeated. FUCK OFF RTD, your patehric drivel writing and rip-offs do NOT impress this fan!! And Tosh's death scene .. and video after. Declaring her love for Owen. I guess this was meant to be moving, but I just watch incredulously. Did ANYONE buy into this sudden Tosh-Owen unrequited love crap?? With Willow and Xander, it was totally believable, and well written. Owen is a fcking prick! What did he EVER do do engender such feelings from Tosh? Why would ANYONE fall for such an asshole? NO REASON! Viewers hated Owen for those reasons, but somehow RTD thinks it will add pathos to his show to have Tosh love him while he is oblivious. Well sorry, but NO .. just makes Tosh seems a total prick too! Not as much as RTD for writing this crap though!! And while I'm here .. SFX Magazine .. if you continue your total love-fest of all things RTD, complte with 4 or 5* reviews for Dr Who episodes, then after being with you from #1, I'm gone!! Sci-Fi Now is definitely the #1 UK mag now - telling it like it REALLY is! Torchwood and Dr Who are SHIT under RTD!!(But Moffat RULES!!!) Sorry for the rant ... first time posting here, and just HAD to get this of my chest!!
Awesome ep! by DimensionsPlural	Apr 6th, 2008 04:05:58 AM
Loved it from start to finish. The march of the Adipose was the cutest thing ever, still have a big cheesy grin on my face! Want one now please, better still lots of little squeezy ones. Tate was surprisingly good, and will only get better. Better companion than Martha I'm saying! Could be the best series yet, can't wait to go up Pompeii next week!
I've given up on nu-Who.. by UltraMeerkat	Apr 6th, 2008 04:17:06 AM
...it was gradually going down hill after Eccleston left, and now that the awful Catherine Tate has joined the cast, RTD continues with his bland and amature scripts, and Billy Piper is returning it's become fucking unwatchable, bland sci-fi.
train wreck by punto	Apr 6th, 2008 04:22:37 AM
of a season
I see that You Taters Have not watched Dr Who Confidential by Roborob	Apr 6th, 2008 04:41:13 AM
Russel T Davis stated in Confidential that he wanted a alien that wasn't scary after all they are babies, and I admit it will be a big seller at Christmas. Bernard Cribbens was a replacement for the man who played Donna's dad in the Runaway Bride who sadly died, also I might point out that Bernard also traveled by Tardis in 1965 in an alternative adventure on the big screen in Daleks - Invasion Earth 2150AD. I didn't dislike Catherine Tate in her first story imagine if that happened to you on your wedding day, I would act similarly. Here she was more restrained and as good as either Martha or Rose as they all had someing wrong with them ie they were there to scream. You just have to see Martha in Torchwood to see a different aspect that is not the scream queen that female passengers of the Tardis always seem labled with.
So.... To summarise whats been said on the Talkback so far... by Gabba-UK	Apr 6th, 2008 05:15:12 AM
1: Catherine 'FUCKING' Tate. 2: Missing Matha Jones and that INCREDIBLE arse of hers. 3: Fuck off RTD and stick to Torchwood in the future, because that shows format sits better with your writing style. 4: Catherine 'FUCKING' Tate. 5: Rose clearly bolted in at a later date, smacking of desperation. 6: Most prepared to give it 3/4 episodes before changing channels permantly. 7: Catherine 'FUCKING' Tate. That about wraps it up for this TB I think.
And to those defending Tate... by Gabba-UK	Apr 6th, 2008 05:23:42 AM
let me just point out that there is now a new collective noun for those who hate her. Tater. The only one I can think of for those who like her is a Tragic of Tate fans.
I Thought the episode was flat by emeraldboy	Apr 6th, 2008 05:35:04 AM
I thought the bit with Donna and the dr in miss foster's office was funny and it made great use of tate comic timing. Sarah lancashire was out of her depth as the villian. Less dialoug could be a good thing or not. but flat it was. Donnas mom was very annoying.
Of course there is no mention of Cribbens being in the Dalek inv by wowsah156	Apr 6th, 2008 05:39:53 AM
Cribbens must be a big who fan. He doesnt reallly need to work, but ilove the fact that he is part of Who again!! Watch the Peter Cushing Who movie to see Cribbens turned into a Dalek agent!!
ATMOS by executiverocker	Apr 6th, 2008 05:40:39 AM
11 minutes in, look at the taxi, it has the letters "ATMOS" on the windscreen. Apparently this is a clue for future episodes?
After a few hours to let it sink in.. by The True Priapic	Apr 6th, 2008 05:48:44 AM
I'm still a little puzzled by the sloppy Rose inclusion.Dammit,why did Donna run around a fucking corner to dump car keys in broad daylight of a group of rubberneckers??What lousy plotting.And why so serious,Rose?At a fucking guess I'd say she is searching for The Doctor just as Donna was at the beginning as a Dalek threat has entered her universe/dimension...blah..bla h...I'm getting bored myself now.Dammit,I hope theres a cople of spiffing Family of Blood/Blink gems in this season or this could be the right time to scrap seasons...and..THAT WOMAN...how strange her face is.I mean,really strange..."Hang on!" "What does it (cue deep throaty spittle voice) LOO' LI' 'M DOIN'?" Or whatever that 'thing' said...ugghh.Fishwife.
The Doctor is IN !!! by RobinP	Apr 6th, 2008 05:58:24 AM
First off - great to see the usual Sunday morning, Post Who crowd back in action. What a great episode to kick off the new season, and well worth waiting for. (Was it me, or did this season seem a long time coming ?) The Adipose - yup cutesy little slabs of fat, and how long until they're on Woolworths shelves as the latest "must have" ? They were specifically designed to be toys, I feel. Catherine Tate will be a fanastic companion, much better than Martha Jones, who I felt was a little "flat" as a character, and I never took to her family - especially her mother with those eyebrows. Bernard Cribbins is hopefully going to be a recurring character. He deserves that. Finally - Rose is back...then disappears. Here's the RobinP theory. Is she going to be popping up here and there throughout the season "Bad Wolf" style ? I hope so.
Donna :"I don't FANC' YOOO!" by The True Priapic	Apr 6th, 2008 06:15:50 AM
Doctor: long pause,staring directly at Donna.Then slowly moves his gaze from her face to her feet.His eyes slowly follow up her body rejoining her eyes.His upper lip turns and his left eye squints "Do you think....I....would....ever think of YOU in that way.I used to bang Teegan and receive blow jobs from Billie Piper.Have you ....ever..heard of anyone rebounding from birds like THA' to....some-THING like you.Good day,fishwife." The Doctor walks into the Tardis as Donna looks on,jaw literally dropped(in that wonderful way Catherine FUCKING Tate can only do).The Tardis gears up and begins to disappear as Donna regains some composure enough to shout "OOOOIIII....' AIN' FINISHED WIV Y.."But the Tardis' engine noise drowns her out.Last scene interior of Tardis.Doctor,laughing,champag ne in hand."Fuck it.I'm not THAT lonely.Hahahahahahaah!"Cue DR WHO 'scream' theme tune.NEXT EPISODE: The Doctor and the Dame.Cue fleeting images of the Doctor looking pleased "The 1980's.Fantastic!" Ext.A stately home.Int. An overly makeupped old woman being pushed via wheelchair by two shirtless muscle built men.Dame "WE must stop this ...DOCTOR!" Cut to The Doctor running through hallways towards camera.Cut to a normal middle class bedroom as a wife,in bed,turns to her sleeping husband."I'll put the light out soon,love.JUst let me finish this chapter of Dame Bab's new romance." Quick cut of same wife screaming hysterically.Cut to Doctor looking concerned.Cut to OLd Dame Cartland laughing.Cut of Doctor running toward camera.Last cut of Dame Barbara Cartland,one finger tickling the chin oif one muscle boy as with the other hand she waves on 2 little dogs."Poodles?TAKE HIM!"Cue:Doctoe Who 'scream' theme tune.....written by RTD.
REGARDING SPOILERS by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 06:25:55 AM
what the fuck is the point in publishing a review at the top of the page with a glaring spoiler in it about the surprise at the end of this episode, only to publish another review further down that has been intentionally left spoiler-free? there were no spoiler tags at the top of these reviews. But luckily for me I live in the UK and saw the episode last night. I felt it was very silly and lighthearted, exactly the sort of Dr Who epeisode I can't stand. However, the surprise at the end made it worth sitting through the silliness. I just feel a bit sorry for any American fans who might have read this spoiler before getting to watch the new series launch next week.
what a bunch of whiners by Mr Willi	Apr 6th, 2008 07:12:26 AM
I'm no RTD fan either, but you got to give him credit when he does it right. And the first episode was a pretty good one and worked perfectly as a launching episode for series 4. And I really hated the idea of Catherine Tate as a sidekick as well, but she did a good job in this episode, her character being much more low-key than in the Xmas bride. (Plus I like the fact she isn't in love with the doctor). I know the AICN talkbacks are a place where many people spread their inner hate while counting down the days to their own suicides, but really, quit bitching if you can't filter the nuggets of gold from the shit.
No more sonic screwdriver please!!!!!! by daglesj	Apr 6th, 2008 07:40:20 AM
Jeez is that device getting so cheesy! I remember back in the olden days the sonic would make an appearance once every 8 episodes or so. Now its used as mentioned in the first review every two minutes to help the stuck plot along. It's now a case of "Dr comes across major seemingly insurmountable problem - Dr simply waves sonic screwdriver at it and problem solved!" LAZY LAZY LAZY! 1.Cut down the sonic screwdriver (maybe give the writer only 6 chances to use it per series, they can argue the toss as to who gets the chances. 2. Cut down Tennant's constant gurning and wild eyed expressions. Please, you are a highly experienced timelord, little should phaze you now! 3. Cut down on all the running about that also seems to require the use of the screwdriver eventually when a door presents itself.
Taters by The Handsome 12th Doctor	Apr 6th, 2008 07:48:43 AM
Hey, I made up a word that other people are using. Go me! I still believe all these Taters need to get the chip off their shoulder and give her a chance. Even if it's only as far as next week when it looks to be an ep with real monsters and a genuine threat.
Catherine Tate by palewook	Apr 6th, 2008 07:48:54 AM
meh. wasn't a fan of her in this episode.
Plus.... by daglesj	Apr 6th, 2008 07:49:00 AM
...I cant look at Billie Piper in the same light since I saw her in the nude on that callgirl series. It just seemed wrong...even after 5 or 6 viewings.
oh dear... by metaluna	Apr 6th, 2008 07:58:02 AM
...that was SOOOO BAD. Lazy writing. Cute xmas-merchandise-ready-to-go aliens (I figure RTD has a cut on every one sold). This could only appeal to nine year olds and pre mature adults as I think they removed any pretence of actual drama out of it. RTD needs to go but unfortunately I fear the BBC have already got him doing the next specials after this series. By the way, Steven Spielberg wants his mothership back and Wylie Coyote his hovering in mid air before falling gag back. I wouldn't bother wasting bandwidth downloading this.
re: daglesj by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 08:11:53 AM
where can i have 5 or 6 viewings of this alleged Bille Piper nude scene?
Oh my god, I hate nerds so much by jacobkosh	Apr 6th, 2008 08:46:34 AM
If there was a concentration camp for hopeless nerds and social maladapts, and the torture and degradation were shown live on streaming video 24/7, I would be doing that very thing right now. And probably jerking off to it, too. I mean, there's just so much idiocy here to choose from. The guy who thinks any alternate-universe story is a ripoff of Buffy - fucking Buffy, for fuck's sake. I mean, Jesus. Do people not read books anymore? There's the insane frothing hate for Catherine Tate, which just strikes me as a wildly disproportionate reaction to a character on a fucking childrens' show - as well as being hilariously revisionist of recent history. I bet half of you missing the good old days of Rose spent the first year complaining about what a chav she was. Ditto for all the whinging about Davies - "He can't write for shit! Trust me, I've seen everything he's ever done!" Honestly, though, I just don't get the mentality of people who spend their time watching things just so they can come complain about them online later. I never bitch about things on the internet, because I don't make a habit of watching things I don't like! And even if I do mistakenly catch an episode of "Bionic Woman" or whatever, it somehow doesn't work me up into the stroke-inducing levels of rage you weirdos seem to get off on.
What is the Shadow Proclamation? by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 6th, 2008 09:14:13 AM

I hate nerds by supertoyslast	Apr 6th, 2008 09:15:27 AM
Says the man posting on AICN. And you "never bitch about things on the internet". Although you're more than willing to bitch on the internet about people bitching about things on the internet. And just how long is it going to take people to understand the difference between a "children's show" and a "family show"? No sci-fi show aimed at kids is ever going to get 8.4 million viewers in the UK. They're not all kids and they're not all nerds. You may as well accept it - in the UK Doctor Who is a mainstream success among all age groups.
What is the Shadow Proclamation? by DarfurOnTheRocks	Apr 6th, 2008 09:15:28 AM
We've heard about it before. I always assumed it to be a charter of sorts. I guess now it is a council or governing body.... any ideas?
Shadow Proclamation by supertoyslast	Apr 6th, 2008 09:20:17 AM
There's been discussion about this on the OG boards and it seems a little unclear. It has been mentioned in several episodes including 'Rose'. Then it seemed to be a treaty between alien races since the Doctor claimed that the invading aliens were in breach of a certain article of the Shadow Proclamation. But this episode made it sound like an actual organisation since Sarah Lancashire's character was afraid the Doctor was going to report her to the Proclamation. My guess is that it's some kind of Galactic UN. This seemed like such a blatant drop of the phrase that I hope we learn more in future episodes, rather than it merely being a bit of internal continuity-wank.
I'm a Tater and proud of it! by BiggusDickus	Apr 6th, 2008 09:23:22 AM
Awful, awful woman. Casting her when the wonderful Carey Mulligan was such a sure-fire hit as Sally Sparrow last season is simply madness.
Re: Oh my god, I hate nerds so much by Tigravaya	Apr 6th, 2008 09:28:02 AM
>> I mean, there's just so much idiocy here to choose from. The guy who thinks any alternate-universe story is a ripoff of Buffy - fucking Buffy, for fuck's sake. I mean, Jesus. Do people not read books anymore? **************************** Of COURSE alternative universes have been done a gazillion times (Sliders, anyone). The point I made was that in this case, they find their alternate selves driving about in a van, fighting the forces of evil - a DIRECT rip-off from the Buffy episode. RTD soooo wants to be Joss Whedon but hasn't the BILLIONTH of the talent!! So sad to see ...
Catherine Tate by Finklestone	Apr 6th, 2008 09:38:47 AM
The talentless should crawl away somewhere and die.
I can't believe I am actually saying this...Torchwood > Who? by Desmondo	Apr 6th, 2008 09:41:03 AM
I actually really enjoyed Torchwood this season. A lot of pretty good episodes. The origins episode. The finale. James Marsters. Owen beign dead thing. The wedding. It's still rough around the edges, but definately more watchable than the awful season 1. OK yeah I don't like Catherine Tate. Nobody does. But she acted a bit better in this episode fine. The problem will always be however in a cast of good looking people she stands out like a sore thumb. Thats sound harsh, it is - I guess I didn't realise how acustomed I have become to seeing pretty people on TV. Also could Russell have made it ANY CLEARER that Donna doesn't fancy the doctor. YES WE GET IT. She doesn't like him like that. Your not doing that storyline again. WE KNOW!!! All I'll say is looking forward to Stephen Moffat episodes. And the inveitable return of Davros, which I'm sure will be the worst kept secret ever.
re: jacobkosh by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 09:57:31 AM
regarding your comments above implying that people shouldn't bitch about Dr Who and your remark about 'not watching things you don't like'..... well my reply to you is: people USED TO like Dr Who, that's why they're bitching about it now. The sad fact is, once upon a time Dr Who was not aimed at an under-10's audience. You just have to watch Tom Baker's run to realise that, in spite of the wobbly sets and dodgy latex monsters, it was actually quite a genuinely morbid, serious sci-fi series. Has Russell T Davies given Dr Who the kiss of life, or the kiss of death? On the one hand, he has successfully re-launched it for a new younger audience, but on the other hand, even the darkest episodes so far in this re-launch have been lightweight family silliness compared to the more frightening 70s heyday of Dr Who.
Glad I didn't read that first review. by gotilk	Apr 6th, 2008 10:05:00 AM
More like a recap.
TORCHWOOD series 2 by palimpsest	Apr 6th, 2008 10:10:22 AM
Basically a huge improvement all round on the wholly hit and miss first series. WHO 4.1? Yeah it was OK. Tate's wasn't half as annoying as she was last time out, the effects were fine, and a neat twist at the end to nudge another season arc. And Tennant has his Who thing down pat. next week - the Doctor goes to Vesuvius - expect aliens masterminding volcanic eruptions and some ripe scene-scoffing from guest stars Phil Davis and Peter Capaldi...
Will Tate grow on me? by gotilk	Apr 6th, 2008 10:13:20 AM
Not sure yet, but I also do not hate her yet, as many others seem to. She is pretty funny. The conversation through the windows was priceless. The big reveal at the end has me worried, however, that it will be something they drag on all season. Please do not do that. I still have hope that we'll get a few more gems this year.
Loving the Adipose by carefulsilly	Apr 6th, 2008 10:15:57 AM
I was thrilled, really fooking thrilled by the cameo surprise at the finale of the episode. I'm thinking Rose is trying to find the Doctor. Maybe she's been forced to do it by...Davros! Aha! Oh please let the Davros rumours be true. And I simply love Donna Noble. Love her. She's just a normal person and that's why she'll work out fine. And I think Catherine Tate is fabulous. So there.
The Whole vs the Sum of the Parts by Dreamfasting	Apr 6th, 2008 10:41:53 AM
This is one of those shows that just shouldn't work. A caustic assistant should wear thin. A CGI monster that looks an exile from a children's cartoon? Another bout of loneliness/chemistry? More running? It should have been a complete mess. But put it all together and somehow it all works, and works beautifully. It's fun, its funny and lightly dramatic, it tugs the heartstrikes, drops in a few little was-that-foreshadowing lines and then sucker-punches the fans (in a good way) at the end just when we feel comfortable. In tone, in style ... it's exactly what I wanted in my entertainment right now (not that I don't look forward in hopes of some grittier episodes ... I'm very curious to see how they will re-envision the Sontarans, especially given that they are one of the few old-school villains to dare assault Gallifrey directly).
please don't ¨update¨ Davros by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 10:42:24 AM
I can just see it now; Davros appears in the end-of series double episode, but he's been updated with a new voice, a completely different appearance, and his politically-incorrect 'wheelchair' replaced by a hovering skateboard or something. Oh, and he'll be played camply by some comedian like David Walliams from 'Little Britain'.
Wasn't John Simm announced as the next doctor? by BiggusDickus	Apr 6th, 2008 10:57:51 AM
...Or did I dream that?
Davros by carefulsilly	Apr 6th, 2008 11:06:56 AM
Isn't Julian Bleach playing him? Has that all been made up?
John SImm was announced by Cedar_Room	Apr 6th, 2008 11:08:38 AM
as The Master. And then he played The Master. In a couple of episodes. Last series.
Davros. by The True Priapic	Apr 6th, 2008 11:08:39 AM
From what I understand it's a different actor playing him but the production are being faithful to the original depiction (i.e.Genesis..)so it looks like the series may be dealing with a breakdown of universes/times/dimension which will allow older/dead/lost characters to cameo.Apparently different kinds of Dalek will be encountered as will a red one.I'm still going to be watching the show regardless of my above ranting but....how cool that original rumour was about McGann coming back for an appearance.I always liked his look and attitude.Such a shame for McGann that it didn't work out for his 'generation'(?).It'd be nice to have seen him get a crack at a little guest-star shot(vertainly wouldn't do the audio books any damage business-wise).If they kill off Marth in the Sontaran episode....Ggggggrrr..red mist...descending....
All things sonic by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 6th, 2008 11:44:36 AM
Watching 4.1 a second time, yes, the sonic screwdriver stuff has gotten out of hand. Could the Doctor really not find another way into the building, necessitating he blow open a fire exit-- complete with mini-explosion and sparks-- not once, but twice? Did he really need to use it to open a window FROM THE INSIDE? How does the nanny's sonic pen get through the window when the screwdriver couldn't? How does a sonic pen get through a triple deadlock seal? Why is the Doctor not keeping this miracle device and just chucking it in a bin at the end of the episode? It reminded me of 3.1, when the SS gets fried and the Doctor is forced to lock a door on his own. They even give it a close-up. Oy. And yeah, is the Shadow Proclamation still a proclamation or is it an organization now? I think RTD fucked up on that one. PS: Stop slagging off on Rhys, I like the character. I seriously doubt he'd be joining Torchwood though, he is just a truck driver/office manager type after all.
Simm by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 6th, 2008 11:48:42 AM
I've seen Simm as one of the names suggested to play the Doctor when and if Tennant steps down, but I think it's someone's wishful thinking wanting to be made true. Wouldn't make any sense to have the Doctor and the Master trading off appearances.
The silent conversation by kwisatzhaderach	Apr 6th, 2008 12:25:54 PM
between The Doctor and Donna is one of the most entertaining things i've ever seen. Absolutely hilarious.
ate... just lesve her slone! by funkyknitwear	Apr 6th, 2008 01:32:50 PM
i remmber the days when new dr who episodes were a shame to watch... kast night's was fun and filled me up fun like a ward bucket of custard...enough with the hate! it was great!
Doctor Who and Torchwood...What the HELL is wrong with you peopl by JillianneSix	Apr 6th, 2008 01:33:10 PM
First off...I am an american, who got to see the Torchwood finale AND the Doctor Who premiere last night. I loved them both, cried all the way through Torchwood and was left speechless at the end of Doctor Who. Why can't you people just enjoy the ride? Catherine Tate was brilliant. I, too, thought see was a hag in The Runaway Bride, but after repeated viewings, she softens quite a bit. Torchwood has improved by leaps and bounds this season, period. But I do not for the life of me understand why a good portion of you guys a)hate Donna, b)hate Rose, c)think The Doctor is a twat, etc...If you don't like it, don't watch it. As for me, and MANY people in the Northwest Louisiana area, we watch more BBC shows than network as it is. Doctor Who and Torchwood have a tremendous following here, and it's startling to read some of these talkbacks and I have to say, some of you are bang off WRONG. I don't know if you are just used to the crap TV we churn out as americans, but Doctor Who and Torchwood are on par with Buffy, Angel, Battlestar, The X-Files, basically some of the best sci-fi shows EVER. Basically, my message is stop being self-indulgent pricks and enjoy the damn ride like a true geek. Embrace it, because it won't be around forever...well, in Doctor Who's case it probably will, but nevermind that:)
I don't hate Tate, or Rose. I just want more Martha by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 01:57:54 PM
i don't know why but she just clicked for me as the Doctor's companion, or more as the human foil for all the galactic weirdness. I'd like to see her get over the Doctor as a romantic interest and go back for the adventure. She was cool on Torchwood too so I could handle seeing her there more. Hell, give her her own spinoff, but short of The Martha Jones Chronicles, I'd really like to see her exploring the galaxy and universe again.
Question: I just saw I, Claudius recently and in the first by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 02:02:13 PM
episode, the guy who played Agrippa looked and sounded exactly like Jon Pertwee who played the third Doctor, but the credits had him as John with some other last name. Anyone know if he used a diffrent name for some reason on either show?
re: JillianneSix by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 02:14:59 PM
re:your comments above: The fact that Russell T Davies has clearly aimed the new Dr Who 're-boot' at the 'Buffy' audience is exactly why it's starting to take a lot of criticism. Buffy was a steaming pile of ludicrous shit.
I thought Tate was excellent. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2008 02:18:31 PM
She handled the dramatic moments with a light touch and subtly flair for acting she has not revealed before. All the people moaning about her are basically pissed as she is not hot in the Rose or Martha way, get over it, The Doctor now has a companion who is in a way his equal and she ain't scared to stand up to him because she is not in love with him It should change the whole shows feel and last nights episode was an excellent start, funny, quirky and moving, all the Who traits from since the show began. As for the RTD writes gay discussion, its year 4, he is gay, time to awaken to the fact that of course a gay man will have certain ways of seeing and writing things, I repeat, year 4 its an old argument and one not really relevant to the good drama RTD creates.
re: Smashing by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 02:33:22 PM
seriously, though, Everyone with any real interest in science fiction is secretly holding out for the Steven Moffat series next year. Why? Because Moffat has written the darkest, cleverest episodes since the re-boot started. Personally, my distaste for Russell T Davies' stories is nothing to do with him being gay at all (for all I know or care, Steven Moffat could be gay too). It is simply to do with the fact that Davies' storylines revolve around the same central theme every single time (sinister organisation takes over central London/Cardiff with army of sinister iPods/Christmas trees), and they often involve stupid goofy things like humans with cat makeup on, or silly chubby aliens that look like Teletubbies.
ps by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 02:39:34 PM
The best series ever was Tom Baker's run in the seventies. Proper disturbing, thought-provoking sci-fi. And most of his adventures took him right across time and space throughout the galaxy in his unlimited time-and-space vehicle, the Tardis. For some inexplicable reason, Russell T Davies seems to think that the owner of a fantastically powerful time-and-space vehicle would prefer to spend most of his time in and around London docklands in 2008.
Dr Who as good as Battlestar Galactica???? by Tigravaya	Apr 6th, 2008 02:39:50 PM
>>Doctor Who and Torchwood are on par with Buffy, Angel, Battlestar, The X-Files Awww come on!!! Now you're just being ludicrous!! As a kiddies pantomime show, Doctor Who is okay (my 10 year old nephew loves it). When someone like Moffat get his hands on it, it can be SUPERB. Torchwood is just totally fake, and obvious manipulation. None of their relationships create any feeling of emotion because there's no build up, no believability. And I'm no homophobe, but even I'm getting SICK and TIRED of RTD's agenda, where most male characters have to be bisexual. Ianto was was of the last remaining interesting characters .. but that sub-plot with Jack is just total pathetic bull-shit and made me want to throw a brick throught the TV screen. And BTW .. Battlestar Galactica is about the best thing on TV, period!! I never thought anything would beat Babylon 5 for space opera, but this has.
billie pipers saggy old boobs by JacktheRaper	Apr 6th, 2008 02:43:26 PM
what a crock of shit!
Ray Gamma by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2008 02:45:36 PM
RTD stories have always been family centric, his doctor does touch base with his companions home life a lot, and I like seeing it, its been a staple of the shows relaunch so I cant imagine how tough watching it must be for you, I love it myself. I guess my unreal like for science fiction, does that make it an illusion or a schizo moment?, lets me know their are many ways of telling stories and some people enjoy them more than others. As for goofy things, Who is the master of goofy aliens, I love em.
Tigravaya don't start that gay agenda bullshit again. by Smashing	Apr 6th, 2008 02:53:05 PM
There is no gay agenda, there is only a gay writer writing what he knows which is apparently camp and frothy, I understand you not caring for that but each to there own. I disagree that Who cannot stand along side BSG or Buffy, its as quirky and takes itself very lightly, a refreshing change to BSG's panic attack inducing moments.
Shame Billie Piper came back by Steve Rogers	Apr 6th, 2008 02:54:43 PM
The best thing that happened to the show was when she left. More Martha Jones! Less boring Rose!
Don't hate her because she's beautiful Freema's by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 02:54:48 PM
also a damn fine actress and fit the tone of season three particularly well. Which I thought as the best season yet, Eccelston's included. And BTW I love the Catherine Tate show always have, before she had anything to do with Dctor Who(least as far as I know or knew) and I'll love it if she proves as deft at drama as she did at comedy. I think some of us have been afraid tha having a famous comedian replacinfg Martha meant that the show would drift away from the darker cooler turn it took last season and fall into antics, but the things I've been hearing lately give me more hope. Plus, any Doctor Who s better than most else out there.
More Moffat! by Automaton Overlord	Apr 6th, 2008 03:13:38 PM
I command it!
Davros is being updated. by zootlewurdle	Apr 6th, 2008 03:15:29 PM
Rumour is that Davros is being updated to be more in line with the new lighter, more comic Dr Who. He's going to be renamed "Stavros" and is going to be played by british comic/actor Harry Enfield.
Never change Davros. His look was iconic by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 03:29:57 PM
he had it perfct from Genesis of Dalek's on. He'll the Davros look was the prototype for Scorpius. Hey, is Wayne Pygram available?
Braca was his Nyder. by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 03:32:03 PM
Nyder was cool. Wish they'd bring him back.
And Sean Pertwee as the new Brigadier in charge of Unit by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 03:33:46 PM
He'd be perfect for that. Anyone seenhim in Cadfael as Hugh Berengier
Pirate Bay is your friend by Stile	Apr 6th, 2008 03:37:14 PM
First things first, I'm glad that they kept the remixed opening theme that they kept from Voyage of the Damned. Tate was fine, she's capable of doing more than "Am I bovvered." Her pantomime with the Doctor was hysterical. Ms. Foster was great, and we had the most adorable aliens this week (wave). The only thing that bothered me was when Tate got huffy at the end of the episode; brief flashback to Runaway Bride with that. Overall it was quite good. On par with Smith and Jones.
Let me put it another way... by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 03:43:44 PM
We're all familiar with people talking about how they used to ¨hide behind the couch when Dr Who was on¨ when they were kids. People LOVE having those memories of being terrified by Doctor Who when they were kids. 30 years from now, it's very unlikely that anyone will fondly reminisce about being scared shitless by the stories in the current series. It's so completely tame now, it's gradually had the politically-incorrect stuffing knocked out of it by the BBC. Ever since some bright spark at the BBC thought it was a good idea to re-vamp Doctor Who by introducing the miserable Sylvester McCoy and Bonnie ¨fucking annoying please stab me¨ Langford some years ago, Doctor Who has moved further and further away from the clever dark 'Quatermass' territory, and more towards the lightweight fluffy pantomime nonsense. For example, the rubbishy CGI cute little ¨Adipose¨ stay-puft marshmallow creatures that appeared in this week's episode (you Americans can look forward to that cringey element when it airs over there next week) just made me want to leave the room and go and check my email or take a dump or something.
The Gay Agenda: We Want to Get Laid by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 03:44:32 PM
Hey, that's my agenda and I'm straight. We can all get along.
I should also add... by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 03:47:31 PM
I should also add that my 5 year old daughter watched it too and looked thoroughly bored for the duration of the episode.
And Moffat Does Rule. I'll watch anything he by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 6th, 2008 03:51:09 PM
writes.
Russell, if you're reading this... by Ray Gamma	Apr 6th, 2008 03:51:33 PM
Russell, if you're reading this... I know you seem like a really nice likeable bloke and all, and I don't want you to feel miserable about the negative reaction to your work, but, come on man, you're doing this work in the first place because you are a fan of Doctor Who yourself. Yeah? Try to shake it up please and scare the living wits out of the audience like the old days. For the love of God, man!
Bernard Cribbins:Old time Dr. Who by JML9999	Apr 6th, 2008 04:27:55 PM
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm018 7754/ as Tom Campbell http://www.imdb.com/title/tt00 60278/ in Daleks' Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
moffat is the only guy by OBSD	Apr 6th, 2008 04:48:14 PM
to write episodes of Dr Who that are truly "hide behind the couch" scary. That's why he should take over. The other reason he's better than Davies is that unlike Davies, Moffat doesn't rely on a Deus Ex Machina EVERY SINGLE TIME to get the doctor out of a jam. He lets the Doctor rely on his intelligence, something Davies knows nothing about. But the ratings on this and Torchwood are through the roof in the UK (the same country that gave us the brilliant ideas for such thought provoking fare as American Idol, Big Brother and The Weakest Link. thanks, guys.), so the BBC will never let Davies go.
Ray Gamma, Pertwee best Doctor by EvilWizardGlick	Apr 6th, 2008 05:20:10 PM
Watch what they had Pertwee do. He drove a hovercar, he cruised in a boat, and he used Venusian martial arts. Pertwee just plain had more fun doing the doctor than any of the others.
Michelle Gomez ( Sue White) for The Rani! by EvilWizardGlick	Apr 6th, 2008 05:22:35 PM
Or an Alternate Universe female Doctor. Fuck, just make her a female doctor!
Doctor Donna, NO SEX! by EvilWizardGlick	Apr 6th, 2008 05:25:32 PM
I guess the Rose and Martha ( and Sarah Jane suggestion) romances are a thing of the past. Which they should be. The Doctor has traveled with very many HOT women. To think he was banging all of them, kind of demeans his character. Or maybe he was touring the Hershey Highway with Jaimie? Thank god old platonic doctor is back.
Torchwood info, Mickey moves in! by EvilWizardGlick	Apr 6th, 2008 05:27:44 PM
I read some spoilers about this seasons final episode of Torchwood. They were correct, so I'll throw in what else was said. Mickey and Martha join the team. Next season will be lighter and have less Jack. Mickey? Fucking Mickey! What are they thinking?!!!!
Shockingly good episode by INWOsuxRED	Apr 6th, 2008 05:32:09 PM
You'd figure this should suck:Start-up RTD episode, complete with Tate and cute little CGI critters as well making a social statement with less subtlty than South Park. Instead it was lots of fun. Can't wait for the rest of the season.
Kurutteru Yatsu, think about it.......... by axcel1	Apr 6th, 2008 06:20:56 PM
John Simm would be great as the Doctor, he was great as the Master. As for how that would be possible, he could have passed his DNA to the Doctor while he was holding him as he was dying. We can only hope. Robert Carlyle and David Morrisey are rumored to be in the running to be the next Doctor.
Tate has potential to actually grow by INWOsuxRED	Apr 6th, 2008 06:21:12 PM
Rose was a fucking cunt by the time she left the show. In the first series she almost destroyed the world by selfishly going after her father. Then after she promised she learned her lesson, she did it again in the 2nd series. Not to mention she didn't even care that when she left, everyone assumed Mickey murdered her so she ruined his life and her mother's. Then when she finally got back around her family she treated them like shit. I like that Tate started out a bitch and has already shown significant growth. I hope she doesn't go backwards as a character like Rose did. I'm glad Martha will be back. It would be cool if she got promoted to Brigadier and would run into the Doctor at least a couple times a season.
First use of Massive on TV? by Pixeldriver	Apr 6th, 2008 07:31:22 PM
So all those Axe commercials with the girls running don't count? Or is it that they are commercials?
Love the Doctor by Evil Chicken	Apr 6th, 2008 08:44:42 PM
The whole family is hooked. I can't wait 'till it hits our shores.
Doctor Who on Sci-fi by DiernaSoul	Apr 6th, 2008 09:36:17 PM
Just a heads up folks that Season 4 will be airing Friday nights at 8 on sci-fi starting April 11th. So see we're only a week behind the UK. And Martha will return. She'll be in several eps this season. Like the 6th ep "The Doctor's Daughter" (which features a gal named Jenny who claims to be the uh doctor's daughter...and funny enough she's played by the actual daughter of the 4th Doctor lol ) and the season finale which will also have Rose, Sarah Jane, and Capt Jack. :D And the Sarah Jane adventures will also premier on Sci-fi on April 11th at 7:30pm (which is an odd time).
Mixed bag. too short by jccalhoun	Apr 6th, 2008 09:56:16 PM
I just finished watching it. It was a really mixed bag. all the missing each other at the beginning was cute but didn't feel like Who. It was something different for Who. However, it meant that the actual story was, what? 20 minutes long? The way they structure these shows simply doesn't allow for enough plot and for the worlds to be well enough developed. I liked the fat babies. I was surrised at the fate of the nanny since it seemed as if they were priming her to return. We don't know what the fat babies look like once they grow up so I would imagine that we will get to see the adults at some point I was going to complain that the actor playing Tate's grandfather looked too young but I just looked him up and he actually is 80. I hope I look that good when I'm 80. I can't stand Rose and her baby talk voice. If they are going to bring back past companions including Sarah Jane is would be nice to see some of the other humans who got left behind return. All the way back at least as far as Dodo Chaplet with Hartnell there are people hanging around that know who the Doctor is.
good overall by omarthesnake	Apr 6th, 2008 10:17:14 PM
very spritely and fun romp. The Shmoos were very cute. Catherine Tate was fine, very good in fact, and if you Taters could get past your mindless hatred of her because of some other role you'd realize that. And as for the RTD haters, here's my theory: You're all just pissed off the BBC didn't come knock on your parents' basement door and ask YOU to do the reboot so you could turn your fanfic about Doctor Who, the sidekick who's just like you, and the Sexbot5000 into an actual filmed episode. He does rely on the sonic screwdriver too much, but most of your other bitching and moaning just screams of "It's wrong because it's not exactly what i'd do if i were put in charge". And the granddad in this episode was terrific.
Very quickly, because it's late by JillianneSix	Apr 6th, 2008 11:32:38 PM
It's not ludicrous that I feel MY favorite shows are on par with each other. I will say that they all definitely have different things going for them, but the quality is excellent throughout. Moving on, I DO NOT want a female Doctor. A female time lord, sure, but for the Doctor to be a woman on HIS next regeneration makes NO sense whatsoever. Next, Martha Jones was an EXCELLENT character with a huge flaw: having a crush on The Doctor. On Torchwood, she was Martha Jones that was meant to be. And finally, yes, Rose is back in some manner, we don't know why or how, but she's around. I say enjoy it. I love Rose. I miss Rose. And, I am happy to have Rose back, in any compacity. I don't get Rose-haters. The person who made The Doctor a little human and who became, for all intents and purposes, a bit of a Time Lord herself. When he met her, I always had the impression that he had been alone for a LONG time. He was angry and edgy, and then he met Rose, who just wanted to see the beauty of the universe. If not for Rose, we would be watching a VERY different show with (in my point of view) a progressively sinister Doctor. One more thing, I don't think Doctor Who is ever going to be as dark in tone as the "year that never was." So, if you keep watching, expect cutesy things to pop up here and there, because kids watch this show, too, guys. Yes, it can be very scary, but it doesn't need to be scary all the time. Note The X-Files, a show that pulled that balance off all the time.
axcel1, re: Simm by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 7th, 2008 12:02:57 AM
I suppose it's possible, just doesn't seem very likely. Out of the other two names I'd pick Carlyle, but he still gets film roles fairly often, doesn't he? They need to find a television actor who'd want to be in it for the long haul and not want to run off to the West End, which is something I could see happening to Captain Jack's character as well. Maybe Captain John can fill in a bit if that happens.
Also on the subject of cast changes by Kurutteru Yatsu	Apr 7th, 2008 12:07:14 AM
While I would more than welcome Martha Jones replacing Owen (nothing against his character but you know, it's Martha), they aren't really serious about bringing Mickey to Torchwood are they? He was more a comic foil than anything else and besides, I thought he had already hooked up with the Torchwood in the alternate universe. Oh, and since Rose is coming back do you suppose Jackie might turn up as well? God help me, I would go for the mother/daughter tag team action.
DiernaSoul by Trik_Ster	Apr 7th, 2008 01:33:42 AM
is Sci-Fi also getting Trochwood?
err by Trik_Ster	Apr 7th, 2008 01:34:23 AM
Torchwood
Dr Who is GAY ISLAMIC propaganda! by Antifanboy	Apr 7th, 2008 02:42:06 AM
Seriously, four years ago Doctor Who came back with maneating burping dustbins, farting alien bodysnatchers and the Doctor on Big Brother. And people were hating on it here. But it's come a long way since then. Though nothing has changed: people (the same people) are STILL hating on it! It wouldn't be an AICN Doctor Who talkback if 90% of people didn't say "OMG, this was the worst episode ever, RTD is too gay, he's ruining Doctor Who, this is the last episode I'll ever watch, it really can't get any worse than this." Yeah, go watch Ghost Light or The Nightmare of Eden (from what one poster called the show's heydey!). Somehow I don't think the other 8.4 million of us will be joining you.
it sucked donkey's balls by mrswing	Apr 7th, 2008 03:12:26 AM
One of the worst ever Whos. Plot is ridiculous, satire heavy-handed, Catherine Tate is AWFUL (not funny and not attractive), aliens are silly pokemon-copies... Dr. Who should be sci-fi adventure with a dash of surrealist humor, not a wacky comedy with scifi elements tacked on. When will RTD get that through his head? Hopefully Moffat ups the quality once he takes the reins.
Infinite Quest question by RokurGepta	Apr 7th, 2008 03:44:44 AM
Is the Doctor Who animated episode "infinite quest" going to be broadcast in the United States? so far the region 1 DVD doesn't even exist yet, and I haven't been able to find it available for streaming, and/or torrents :(
Big Brother .... by hardy24	Apr 7th, 2008 04:18:10 AM
wasn't our fault, it was the Dutch that unleashed that pile of crap on the world.
To Ray Gamma - re: 'scaring the living wits...' by BiggusDickus	Apr 7th, 2008 05:13:39 AM
Didn't you see 'Blink' last season? Hell, I was behind the sofa and I'm pushing forty!
my 2 favorite new who episodes are... by RokurGepta	Apr 7th, 2008 05:32:53 AM
"Blink" and "Love & Monsters" classic doctor who question, what was the name of the episode where the doctor goes to a mine (i think) and there are evil green glowing worm creatures?
Answer to Question by Tigravaya	Apr 7th, 2008 05:48:55 AM
That was 'The Green Death', with Pertwee. I remember being terrified of that story as a young kid.
Only ONE Moffat episode this season... by Lemming	Apr 7th, 2008 05:56:34 AM
sorry guys but it's true. I wish it wasn't. I enjoy Who, but no way in hell I'm delusional enough to think RTD's writing is anything but clumsy 80% of the time. And yes, he does have a 'gay agenda'. He usually shoehorns in something homosexual somewhere. It's not enough to have alien women, they have to be lesbian as well when RTD is at the helm.
Tigravaya, thank you thank you by RokurGepta	Apr 7th, 2008 06:05:22 AM
Yeah, me too, I used to watch Doctor Who every weekend with my Dad when I was hella young, I remember watching that episode when I was 8 years old and hiding behind the couch, and then I had nightmares that green glowing worms were chasing me...
To m by Tigravaya	Apr 7th, 2008 06:42:32 AM

To RokurGepta by Tigravaya	Apr 7th, 2008 06:44:26 AM
8 years old? You must be around my age then - 43. That's the trouble with our generation. We can remember when Dr Who was more of an adult show, and not a kiddies pantomime. And who of our age doesn't remember being terrirfied of shop window dummies! :)
Tigravaya.... by RokurGepta	Apr 7th, 2008 06:54:24 AM
I'm not quite that old... actually I just turned 30.... but yes, I do remember when Doctor Who was more of an adult themed show. I wish the newer seasons would be scary, don't get me wrong, I like the new who episodes for the most part..... I wish that he wouldn't visit Earth so often, and where the heck is the brigadier, i keep hoping that he will make an appearance. I seem to remember a lot more people dying back in the old seasons, and a lot more episodes with cliff hanger endings...
Rose: This season's villain or another Bad Wolf? by Hagakure	Apr 7th, 2008 07:36:59 AM
I never had a problem with Rose, and I thought that final scene between Rose and The Doctor was absolutely perfect (spoiled, of course, by a needless Catherine Tate in wedding gown.) I actually liked the sexual chemistry between Rose and The Doctor (A guy who lives forever who travels alone in space with hot women and we are supposed to believe he DOESN'T make a move. Even Time Lords get the urge!!) But, I HOPE TO GOD this season isn't just an excuse to bring back Rose just to ruin what was set up with their tragic ending. PLEASE GOD, DO NOT RUIN ONE OF THE BEST GOODBYE'S EVER!! Alas, why do I get the feeling I am asking the impossible?
I think Henryu Ian Cusik--Desmond from Lost by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 08:17:45 AM
would make an awsome Doctor. He can do scared, angry, concerned. and he doesn't spend all his time trying to be cool, which is exactly why he is the coolest guy on Lost and would make cool as hell Doctor.
CrichtonAstronut speaks the truth! Cusick for the 11th Doctor! by SpyGuy	Apr 7th, 2008 08:27:08 AM
Cusick's Desmond is incredibly Doctorish, especially now with the added time-travel element to his character. Surely Cusick can work in 13-episode seasons of DOCTOR WHO in between his LOST schedule? Oh, and a quick note to Lemming...Steven Moffat's writing TWO episodes this season: A two-parter titled "Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead." Here's hoping Moffat becomes the new showrunner for DOCTOR WHO after Davies leaves.
I think all writers have their idiosincracies and habits by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 08:36:35 AM
You really look hard at the body of Moffats work, from Coupling through the Whos and Jekyll, you can see some similsrities in how h portrays characters, uses humor, and writes dialogue, ad obviously Davies brings his own to a work. I kind of admire that he sticks to his guns and makes his work his own. If you play it safe and try to take out everything that's yours in favor of some prescribed formula whether from the internet or from some focus group or CEOs cousin, it becomes bland and artificial. Say what you will about Whedon or Russel T. Davies, as many people as love or hate them, no one seems indifferent. And that in itself is worth something.
Fuck a doodle do by pidpoid	Apr 7th, 2008 08:43:52 AM
Tate was as shockingly bad as was feared, you could see her butting right up against her range as an actress, and working so hard to restrain her natural obnoxious "character". I had barf in my mouth the whole time.
Tate is boring... but if Billie is back I'll watch by cyrent	Apr 7th, 2008 09:52:06 AM
The Rose cameo at the end made me feel like I hadn't wasted 40 minutes watching the rest of the show.
Catherine FUCKING Tate by Lost Jarv	Apr 7th, 2008 10:37:08 AM
is the worst, most shitty addition to the series that RTD has made. She was just awful- but dramatically less annoying than in the Xmas special. I'm hoping that she can improve over the course of the series.
I liked Bernard Cribbins... by Sledge Hammer	Apr 7th, 2008 10:46:27 AM
He was the best thing about, what I felt, was a rather flat and spiritless episode overall. I'd actually like to see him be a companion for a couple of episodes, plus it'd be a new dynamic for this latest incarnation of Who. Honestly I'm getting a bit sick of only having female companions. I think that's why Jack's reappearance worked so well on Who last season, it brought a different dynamic to the crew. But no, instead it looks like we're up for Battle Of The Female Companions... And personally I didn't hate Tate, though I wasn't overly impressed by her in this ep either, and her range does seem very limited in certain regards. Still, I don't object to her presence.I mean if I can put up with Turlough and Mel, then I think I can put up with Donna for a while. Oh, and is it just me, or did anyone else think that the Adipose looked like Clum Babies? Makes me wonder if the parents aren't named Sockbat. Oh, and my early prediction for this season of Who, Rose is evil. At least for a bit...
Children nowadays grow up in a world in which they can be murder by Smashing	Apr 7th, 2008 10:52:35 AM
I don't think people dressed as monsters can scare them anymore. Some episodes of New Who are still scaryish though, I thought the 2 parter with the "devil" was chilling and last years Blink was very creepy, it's all relative.
I love Catherine Tate by dang2010	Apr 7th, 2008 10:53:06 AM
I love Catherine Tate. The first time I watched Dr. Who was "The Runaway Bride," and I thought she was wonderful. She's the whole reason I'm watching the show now, and I liked the first episode a lot. I think she's an interesting presence. I liked that Martha chick on Torchwood and she will be a great addition to that show next season, but I can't wait to see more of Donna and the Doctor. They have great chemistry together. I can't understand why everyone despises her so much.
In which they can be murdered at school by Smashing	Apr 7th, 2008 10:54:53 AM
That was my full title.
Blink was brilliantly creepy. I'm hoping that by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 11:17:22 AM
Rose will be the real Rose and good but will not be able to stay in this dimension. The goodbye scene as too perfect to undo completely. my only issue about the cast change is that one season and no Christmas special is way too briefe for a chracter as brilliant as Martha was. To me she was closer to being the next Sarah Janbe Smith than even Rose. And she was at least as good as Rose,so only giving her one full season seemed like a slap in the face, and would have no matter who replaced her with. Glad to see her guesting here and on Torchwood, but I'd really like to see her get a regular gig again on one series or the other. I am gld to here Tate's notb doing the Runaway Bride persona. I think she showed more of her characters potential at the end in the tag scene where she told the Doctor why she would not be joining him.
Check out Small Worlds on Torchwood too by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 11:21:34 AM
if you want creepy.
I never liked Martha by O_Goncho	Apr 7th, 2008 11:23:36 AM
She was so forced upon us, and ultimately I just don't think Freema was up to the task of following Billie. I'm glad they saw sense and dumped her because from how RTD went on about her at the start of last season you'd think he was gay for her.
Blink was the best though. And Empty Child by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 11:27:51 AM
Jekyll had some moments too. Though not not doc who related.
don't over react, peeps... by lynxpro	Apr 7th, 2008 11:35:12 AM
I watched the episode, and I thought it was one of the better RTD episodes. Especially when compared to his last episode, which was a train wreck even though Kylie Minogue actually was great in it. But I too have problems with the episode. Like a non-Time Lord baddie having a Sonic device. RTD falls flat with that, just like he did by giving The Master a "Laser Screwdriver" instead of just giving him a redesigned Tissue Compression Eliminator (TCE) that didn't look like a giant dildo. Anthony Ainley tended to be panto in the role in the old days, but he sure was creepy firing off the TCE and giving his victims a painful death (complete with the agonizing screams) that reduced them to the size of dolls. That used to scare me as a kid. And I still want K-9 back. For phuk's sake, just buy the rights to the character once and for all. And yes, I want Moffat to take over, although I'd also love to see RDM or JMS write an episode or two, or more. Same goes for Peter David who is a giant Who fan. But I know...people will scream "Americanisation" if that were to happen.
Think I gotta call you on missuse of the term gey by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 11:44:02 AM
unless you mean happy. and hopw was she "forced" on us. Billie left, they had to put somebody in there. Is there anyone else that wouldn't have felt "forced" on you?
meant gay not gey by CrichtonAstronut	Apr 7th, 2008 11:44:31 AM

Bring back Verity Lambert! by Automaton Overlord	Apr 7th, 2008 11:57:53 AM
and bring back larva-guns while you're at it.
If only we could, Automaton Overlord... by SpyGuy	Apr 7th, 2008 01:29:45 PM
She's dead, you idiot.
To all CATH HATERS( most of )you are just a bunch of stupid apes by earlfist	Apr 7th, 2008 02:07:27 PM
Donna is written as an annoying character. That is the intention. Some people are like that. Most do not realise. A lot seem to be talkbackers on this site. Doctor Who is a family show. When it is funny and clever it is excellent. There were many good things about this last episode. Martha, Rose and even Sarah Jane are back later in the year so be patient you mad sad lot. .Anyone who didn't love Donna miming thru the Glass is a moron. I have a better name for you. CATH HATERS. say it quick. like nurse ratchett.
Don't mind Tate at all. by Head In A Box	Apr 7th, 2008 02:07:34 PM
Thought she was just fine. I was rolling during the whole "silent" conversation scene. I think a more comic foil for The Doctor will be a very welcome and refreshing change from the women (and one guy for god's sake) making googly eyes at him in every episode. Hoping RTD keeps the sexual tension between Donna and The Doctor non-existant. Absolutely DID NOT expect to see Rose in the first ep like that. I knew she was coming back but didn't think it would be until the latter half of the series. Nice way to sucker punch the fans and board crawlers.
Moffat's has TWO episodes... by danowen	Apr 7th, 2008 02:58:40 PM
One story, yes -- but it's a two-part episode. His Empty Child two-parter back in s1 was a highlight of that year, but he's surpassed those work in s2 and s3 with his gripping standalone spook-fests. I'm hoping we get double the genius in s4. How big is his head these days, thanks to all the fan reaction??
christ by Ray Gamma	Apr 7th, 2008 03:39:29 PM
there are some easily-pleased idiots posting in this thread.
It may finally be time for me to stop watching. by ThreeOranges	Apr 7th, 2008 03:53:27 PM
I won't, but I should. This episode was bad Who and bad television. I can't imagine am episode with less creativity and less to enjoy. Most of season two of Torchwood was better than this, and Torchwood is terrible. Most of the Sarah Jane show was better, too.
martha replaces owen next season by dang2010	Apr 7th, 2008 04:37:28 PM
According to another website coughtdarkhorizonscough Martha becomes a regular on Torchwood next season. She will be great on that show, I think. I'm sure that the writers on Dr. Who are thrilled they have an actress who can do comedy in Catherine Tate. And it's so nice to see an actress who can do anger and unpleasant emotions, whose face isn't frozen by Botox. You never see them in American movies anymore.
ZZZZZ by gotham_night	Apr 7th, 2008 05:02:47 PM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Meh by Fuck The Napkin	Apr 7th, 2008 05:13:09 PM
Wasn't a very good episode at all, but then I'm not a fan of the majority of RTD's stories. It was there to set the characters up again though, so I'll let it off as an opener. By the way, the Rose appearance definitely wasn't 'tacked on' at the last minute – I knew how she was going to be introduced in this episode well over 6 months ago.
zzz by slkboxrman	Apr 7th, 2008 05:17:08 PM
why this site continues to give the time of day to this steaming turd of a show still bewilders me when there are much better shows to have a talkback about ......thats why i call this show "DR Who Cares"
Meh, it was OK by spud mcspud	Apr 7th, 2008 05:23:32 PM
I can't work up the hatred for this show, it was meh at best and mildly irritating at worst. At least there was no clumsy shoehorning in of RTD's usual "gay agenda" bullshit (that I remember, anyway) and Tate was way more restrained than I thought she'd be. I just REALLY don't see this great acrtees that RTD keeps referring to her as being in the series - in her own show she ran the gamut of emotions from A to B. From "shouting teen" to "shouting Grandma" to her most refined role, "not shouting bald fella who says 'How very dare you!'", there's not exactly range there, is there? RTD-hating Tater haters: Hate on. That's EXACTLY what these TBers are for, don't let anyone tell you different - unload your bile here, and ignore those fuckjugglers that pop up and say 'only nerds and geeks go on TBs and post hate about new Who' while simultaneousl

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