Seriously though, what an amazing opener for Season 4. At the end I was left wanting more, oh so much more.

Herc, would you agree that everything that happens up until the opening credits felt a lot like the intensity of 33? I was blown away by it, and I can't even say what it was here....sorry people, no spoilers from me.

That boxing episode? What a piece of shit. Almost funny how bad and cheesy it was.

Since this is the last season I hope that they don't have as much time for the whole "we want soccer mom viewers" thing and stick to the story that helped make the first two seasons watchable.

Soccer moms must love deleted scenes.

Tom Zarek
Gaeta
Romo Lampkin

Obviously, the Final Cylon did not arrive at the same spot as the remaining Four did during their reveal. This leads me to believe that he/she was not onboard the Galactica at that time (i.e. Zarek & Lampkin). However, I'm fascinated by the idea that the F.C. may already be self-aware. If so, they would have no real "need" of the music and, therefore, would not be drawn to the same meeting as the other Four.

Now, with all that in mind, it leaves open the very real possibility that they have been a part of manipulating events since the very beginning. And in order for the Final Cylon's reveal to carry dramatic weight, I think it's going to have to be someone relatively important. But that's just me.

Just a guess but that is the fun of it.

Also, I'm not quite sure if wiping ut the human race can be considered 'the plan' , since it seems to have been pointed out from season one (with Six and Starbuck fighting over the arrow), that their real goal has something to do with earth.

Ah well.....I've had doubts before and the writers have never let me down. I hated everyone's most liked episode 'Downloaded', but after the process went on I don't hate it anymore on context to the story. Sooooooooo.....hopefully I'll be having one of those 'Man it's good to be wrong' moments that are sometimes good to have when worried about things of this sort.

Now....no...I will not even utter the C idea in the BSG talkback.

Speaking of Boomer and Athena, I can't wait to see what that article a while back said about the 'Boomer' version of Sharon coming back in a 'big way' meant.

The Cylon that D'Anna apologized to in the temple was The Hybrid.

Oh, and HOWDY to both of you--doff o' the cap from my chromey dome atcha!

Just a thought.

Besides, I am not one to steal a Purveyor's thunder.

Let us not speak falsely now.

I am lying.

Oops wrong series.

ChromeHemispheri calTop, I would not dare imply that you are a predictable purveyor because you're not. But glady, when it comes to purvey opportunities, you ARE as sure as sunrise. :)

Wow

Frak

The answer is the Hybrid, whom she doubted, insulted, and expressed a fear of "becoming as crazy as" right before the vision.

The Hybrid Theory is thus Re-Purveyed....

If you are going down another path, you are Going The Wrong Way!

... get many hot women that will bludgen people to death for you.... hmmm....

Sorry guys, I get the chance to betray humanity in exchange for a cult of hot women, you guys are screwed! Screw 72 virgins, I want Baltar's deal with the 20 crazy sluts! :-)

That one babe certainly gave those guys a major beat down.

One thing I'll say....if they try to spin this show to end on the note that there really is a God, I'll vomit. I mean , no aliens allowed, but the 'Supreme Being' is Okey Dokey?

I did like Baltar's sincere prayer to have his life exchanged for the child, I do tha a lot myself. I don't believe in God, but if he,it whatever is there, I'd rathjer be taken than some poor soul who never hurt a fly. I thought it was rather effective because when he said he was praying at the beginning it was the old weasely Baltar, and he really sold it when he meant it.

I honstley thought the next week episode was going to go balls out and allow Starbuck to hijack the fleet, but it appears she's going to be captured from the previews.

I think the tension with the 4 revealed Cylons is going to be unbearable and very unpredictable, every scene could lead to anything. I just hope they don't pull that Tigh gag again. Yeah it worked, but it would get old.

Well if the previews were right(rather the Cylons in them), the Fifth IS with the fleet, so unfortunately that clever Chromedome idea about the hybrid doesn't seem feasable. But then, just as they just re-invented the 'plan' plot with one line (Maybe something has changed), that can also change.

Good start.

But "Baltar's Bitches" does sound more like a group that is likely to beat the shit out of someone though.

My money is still on Tom Zarek as the final Cylon, if for no other reason than it would really mess with fans of the original series and he's not an obvious choice like Adama or Rosalin.

I'm just sayin, is all....

So why does Roslin still think that when they just didn't do it? And further, with examples like Boomer , why would she immediately write off Starbuck, when what she (Roslin) fears the most just got cancelled out.

Does anyone get that?

so, none of the rules we think we may know about what a Cylon is, what a Cylon does may not apply at all to them....

worth keeping in mind.

it seems to me that the Four don't know how different they are, and hence their fear that they are just like the other skin jobs. It will be fun to watch them learn that, even as they have learned that they are not what they thought they were all these years, they are ALSO NOT what they think they are Now....

I don't want to get into a religious argument (especially on AICN), but here's my thinking (some ancient philosopher):

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is God able but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is God able and willing? Then why is there evil?

Is he neither willing nor able? Then why call him God?

Has 'God' created a rock so heavy , he cannot carry?

Little children live completely in the present, can't stand to go to sleep at night because it ends their fun--they fight and fight it. Parents know the children will wake up refreshed the next morning, the play will resume, and so they force the children to go to bed.

Perhaps we are the same way about death, but God knows more than we do? Our feeble understanding and labels cannot constrain & define God: He defined Us.

A "reveal" of the Hybrid still works: the Hybrid was introduced and a "sub-cylon" and more of a gibberish spouting ship controller than a sentient Cylon. A reveal of it as the Fifth still works, so One Will Be Revealed does not mean (necessarily) that it has to be in the fleet.

Though, as the Great and Wise NoHubris notes, a Hybridoid could be present in the fleet as well.

Thanks for havin my back, Hubie!

I have never found it yet.

Curse the Secretly Secluded Hot Babes and their Stealthy Ways!

Baltar's Buxom Babes Bunker = Awesomeness! God bless Callis...that guy's character has had more fine strange than any guilt-ridden scientist should ever be allowed.

Some great lines in this one:

I really enjoyed Tyrol's pep-talk to Anders; you could feel how he was trying to hold onto his identity.
I liked seeing Seelix get some action (I mean kick-ass Viper action!).
Tigh declaring Baltar's Cylon detection test was bunk since it failed to identify Boomer (when in fact it had) was a GREAT reference to something established in the first season.
Kara telling Anders she would shoot him if she found out he was a Cylon was priceless!!!
Some nice moments with Adama, Kara, and Lee, too. Fuck if Olmos doesn't have the most intense facial expressions.

Anders's interaction with the Cylon Raider...that left me speechless. Things are definitely happening now and that scene got me thinking...I may have a new theory on the way.

All in all, a great return. I'm already jonesing for next week.

I've only seen that happen twice here on AICN, and it's been in BSG TB's. Hmm..

Anyway....19 to go. My girl just asked me when I was whining that I had to wait a whole year to find out how this little journey is going to end "I thought you didn't like soap opera's?"

Burned.lol

It could have been a query-response thing, too, I suppose: Raider senses Anders, queries, and then gets The Reply.

Oh, wait--maybe being on an AICN TB on a Friday night is one of the Hot Babe Cult HQ's auto-filters, eh?

dammit!

All former regulars report! This is the final season premier for frak's sake. Get your sit-reps to the CAG ASAP!

Sharon: Who else would he be?

nicely done!

Tied for second are all the Kara scenes along with Baltar's prayer which strengthened his "faith" (From the Judeo-Christian perspective, this is how a person often believes -- by actually experiencing God in some way, such as Moses or Apostle Paul.

InHead Six wearing Red, but a suit instead of slinky dress--she means Business now....

Move it soldiers!

If they can hide from Adama and crew who and what else might be hiding there?

Fundamentally Different Cylons INDEED.

InHead Six's slightly different relationship/tone with Baltar is interesting.

Like the bit on deck, after assessing Starbuck's Viper: "there could be Cylons here now..." Tigh, Chief, WhatsHerName standing right there.....

really liked Baltar's "take me" prayer--fits right in line with his "all my sins forgiven" wish from a long time ago....

And she can FEEL they are close--perhaps in the same way the Raider "felt" something different about Anders, turned on him without firing....?

So, could it have been "God" appearing to her (Moses, burning bush style)?

Cheers!

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The whole Final Five thing seems very tacked on to me, so once they retconned this mystery into the story they had to shift gears a little.

After the retcon I think what they were trying to imply by "And They Have A Plan" is that it has been the Final Five's plan all along rather than the Cylons we know, even though originally the 12 were all normal skinjobs like we already know about.