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FIRST! THE BLACKEST NIGHT!
by messi
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:01:23 AM
THE BLACKEST NIGHT!
Hal Jordan never had a definitive origin
by messi
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:03:54 AM
It was always in patches. I'm probably the biggest Geoff Johns Green Lantern fan on AICN, yes even more than Abin Sur but i'm torn whether changing the idea that Hal can overcome fear from being totally fearless a good one, because making him totally fearless it what let Parallax in, since he felt fear again. Either way I like the parts in between his father dying and getting the ring which we don't get to see much of.
Ms Marvel please be real
by messi
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:06:57 AM
that would be one hot woman. Too bad she's a fascist bitch. But i'll forget about that for that time.
definitely going to pick up Superman V Hollywood...
by RighteousBrother
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:36:39 AM
I read that test footage was filmed of Nicholas Cage dressed up as Superman in an updated black suit for Tim Burton's version - I would kill to see this footage.
"If Marvel ever does give me a shot at writing"
by Thick McRunFast
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:43:06 AM
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....oh, you were serious?!? Dream on, nerd.
Ultimate Human #3 was weird
by rev_skarekroe
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:50:54 AM
Usually when Ellis writes a sucky issue of an Ultimate Universe book, I assume he's being a lazy writer. It'll be splash pages and two-page dialogue free spreads of spaceships or whatever. But for this one, he actually WROTE all that dialog. You could easily condense it into three panels ("I worked for the UK's Secret Service, but when they balked at my desire to create a domestic supervillain, I experimented on myself using genetic material from each of you and gaining super-mental powers! And now I need to kill you both in order to stabilize my condition! Mu-hahahahaha!") and filled the rest of the book with people hitting each other, leaving all the work to the artist but he didn't. What IS that man thinking?
Where is KICK-ASS # 2???
by SamBlackChvrch21
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:01:02 AM
The first issue was GREAT (but not great enough for Hollywood quite yet Mr. Millar). I can't wait to read whats next
secret tournament of blah blah
by Shigeru
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:03:32 AM
ummm yeah have you guys gotten any submissions for it? it's like... something I would do in middle school. middle school.

And everyone should check out the one shot "Bohda Te" -- it was excellent and hilarious.
McRunfast
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:13:58 AM
What comic book reader DOESN'T think it would be cool to write comics?

However, I already have an ISBN attached to my name (with another on the way), and I have a wonderful family (with another on the way), so most of my dreams have already been fulfilled. Anything else is gravy.
Shigeru
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:18:21 AM
You don't like it? Meet me after recess!
Got to disagree about Ultimate Human...
by SpiderHarshaw
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:25:40 AM
I thought it was a nice change of pace to have an issue that wasn't all kidney punching, all the time. Could it have been compressed? Absolutely. But think how funny it'll be when the kids who've just been to see the Iron Man and Hulk movies pick this trade up and cry uncontrollably at the besuited Brits talking for pages and pages and pages. Good times.
"I already have an ISBN attached to my name"
by Thick McRunFast
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:28:16 AM
You self-publish. Congratulations.
@$$ Kickery Tourney
by optimous_douche
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:36:45 AM
We were actually hoping that most of the submissions would come from middle school students.

This way when we critique the pieces we'll know that we could win any ensuing fist fights.

No.
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:38:40 AM
But my days of arguing in a talkback are done. This is about comics, not me. Hundreds of lines about comics, and the one thing you pull out is an attack on me? No.
Amodeo
by Shigeru
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:45:34 AM
bully!

ps- ellis was on crack whilst writing UH #3...
Yeah, I'm gonna have to hand Messi the GL reins...
by Abin Sur
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:57:27 AM
I'm more into Dial H for Hero back-issues now...
Save the hate for the Tournament...
by Ambush Bug
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:06:58 AM
Geez, Shig, don't be a hater.
I actually have had received quite a few submissions for the Tournament and it's proving to be quite popular.
Watch out, don't have fun or anything around here.
But I guess we should do more mature stuff like post in a talkback and argue with people all day, right?
Was hoping for a little support from the Cogs...maybe those days are over.
He started it!
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:09:54 AM
I am SO gonna be mature from now on!
Ms Marvel's Legs = Need to be real
by messi
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:54:16 AM
now.
ISBN?
by steverodgers
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:57:38 AM
what is an ISBN? Also Kitty Pryde will always be hot.
Just ordered Superman vs Hollywood
by Dragon Man
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:05:11 AM
I love books like this, and I would never have known about it had it not been for your review so thank you.
got it
by steverodgers
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:05:52 AM
International Standard Book Number is it cool to have one of these?
Kitty Pryde
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:13:44 AM
WOLVERINE/FIRST CLASS may be the only place you can see her for a while. Rumor has it that SHE'S the one that doesn't come back from Whedon's run on AXM.
kitty pryde
by steverodgers
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:18:13 AM
That is wildly disturbing news.
Army@Love "review"
by War_Tourist
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:39:39 AM
Wow, does that pass as a "review" around here these days? I doubt there's something like editorial oversight here, but if there is, I suggest assigning the nuanced satire tasks to reviewers other than ditto-head minors.
Heh...couldn't remember what a dittohead was...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:48:02 AM
But I assure you, the only Rush I listen to is the one I'm going to see in concert later this month. I haven't had the chance to see them here since the "Signals" tour in 1981. I think Joan Jett opened.
Or maybe that was 1982
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:49:50 AM
I ferget.
Superman VS "Real World Problems"
by God's Brother
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:29:53 PM
If by "real world problems" one refers to Superman meddling in human affairs (instead of just saving a town from a burst dam), then I would argue that THAT is the only good thing about Superman IV. It was really cool to watch Reeve self-righteously toss a bunch a nuclear missles into the sun only to realize later that it's not his place to decide the fate of humankind. To me, this is a classic Superman storyline that we've seen hundreds of times elsewhere. Don't blame the shittiness of Superman IV on Reeve or that idea. Blame it on, oh, I dunno... EVERYTHING ELSE that movie has to offer. Now about Superman III: anybody who says it sucks gets a punch in the nose.
Blue Devil...
by Kid Z
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:42:42 PM
...I still remember that storyline where Blue fought a villain who was an action movie star who got superpowers by shouting the name "Errol Flynn". Good, goofy, pre-crisis 80's comics.
Superman IV...
by Kid Z
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:44:29 PM
...sucked ass, but ya gotta give props to "rebuild the Great Wall of China-vision"!
Blue Devil Rules!
by fiester
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:06:20 PM
I still have all those. I loved that comic. It was fun and funny and it's too bad more folks didn't appreciate it.
Superman could have a chance
by londongirl
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:10:16 PM
... if for once they cast someone who fits the part. If they continue with Routh or Cotrona for JLA, the Siegels might as well take control of the franchise. They can't do more harm. But if the get a fan favorite like Tom Welling, it might actually be a success. I don't trust the WB but at least a solid cast would sell the movie. Anyone interested, there is an online petition asking the WB to cast Welling for the part. http://www.petitiononline.com/ TW4SinJL/petition.html
Ambush Bug
by Shigeru
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:14:20 PM
Chill the hell out, dude. By no means am I a hater or demand pretentious "maturity"... I am after all the guy who pooped in a volcano (anyone? anyone? crickets).

I was just voicing my dislike...well, maybe apathy is a better word for this tournament thing. It just seems like something that would be done in Wizard. But I have nothing against it or you (the creator of it?) personally of course. Just voicing my opinion.


And for the record, the Cogs are still active, but primarily in email form. We're quite close, actually, and I have had a couple real-life meetups with The Heathen. We're just busy with life shit, and hardly ever post.
Oh, and "support from the Cogs"
by Shigeru
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:16:11 PM
I'm posting, ain't I?
Yo YO YO!
by loodabagel
Apr 2nd, 2008
02:37:10 PM
The Loodabagel's in da house, and he too had difficulty reading Ultimate Human. Luckily, the Loodabagel assumed correctly, after 5 or 6 pages, that Iron Man and Hulk wouldn't show up until the last page. Apparently, this mini-crisis left Loodabagel unable to refer to himself in the first person. And hey, shouldn't we be talking about All Star Superman? What the hell people? Get to work!
Infinite Tourney...
by loodabagel
Apr 2nd, 2008
02:40:41 PM
Why is some no-name douche-cunt fighting the Black Panther? Seriously, that guy's gonna get the shit kicked out of him.
Superman vs. Hollywood
by Mr. Mcpoops
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:00:23 PM
God damn Hastings. It's been over two weeks since I ordered it and it still hasn't come in. I'm losing my zest for reading.
Does anyone else think...
by Thalya
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:18:44 PM
...Countdown emerged into full-on torture porn around issue #19 (the one with Piper dragging dead Trickster through the desert, aka my desktop image at work)? Admittedly, it had a lot of that boiling under the surface throughout the run, but from the desert on it was full-blown, and with issues 6 and 5 now, I think it's kicked into high-gear. Conversely, I think I figured out where Dini's coming from: in retrospect, it really feels as though the story would play better if it were animated.

And Bug, speaking as a former Cog, I'd chip in with the brackets, but so far, at best, of all the pairings I know only one character out of each. That could change in later rounds, though, so..

In other news, they need to fire the person who edits The Flash from that book. I'd commit hiri-kiri before I let that dreck get past my desk.
Countdown
by optimous_douche
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:32:56 PM
I wish they weren't so married to the 52 theme.

About 24 issues of this series would have been perfect.

Bloated mid-section aside though, I applaud DC's publishing schedule throughout Countdown, 52 and all of the other titles related to the great impending doom.

Blue Beetle
by Doctor Manhattan
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:35:26 PM
Can't agree more with Rock-Me. The first 25 issues were fantastic, but John Rogers is off the book as of issue #26. (I read it was a hiatus, but who knows). Since his writing is a major reason to read the book, you may want to dial back your recommendation for new readers to jump on. I hope it maintains the quality it has up until now, but with new blood on board, only time will tell.
re: Blue Beetle - Crap!
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 2nd, 2008
06:55:06 PM
I completely forgot about that. Thanks, Doc.
Not to mention, though I hate to mention...
by Thalya
Apr 2nd, 2008
07:58:45 PM
Blue Beetle #26 is the all-Spanish issue.
blue beetle is great...
by blackthought
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:41:39 PM
all-star superman is a classic run...classic dammit.
Count me as one of those NOT on the Tom Welling bandwagon
by slder78
Apr 3rd, 2008
12:35:08 AM
There has been nothing in his portrayal of Clark Kent that has been anywhere near what it is in the comics. Remember, Clark is the secret identity, Kal-El is the man. So far on Smallville we've been treated to seven (going on eight) years of emo Clark who's a college dropout and still bitches about having powers and wanting to be normal instead of the confident man of steel.

I don't think there's enough time left in the series to get Clark or Welling's portrayal of him to a place where we can believe him as Superman.

slder78 you dumb fuck
by messi
Apr 3rd, 2008
02:54:40 AM
What comics have you been reading? Remember they rebooted Supes in 85. The producers and Welling himself said that Clark is based more on John Byrne's run where Clark is the real guy and Superman is a public persona and they do that in Smallville. Also in the Comics Clark didn't become confident enough to be Superman literally comfortable with being the most powerful guy in the world till his late 20's. Smallville Clark is still in his early 20's and still has his trips around the world to go to. people change in those years, what you're saying is as ignorant as saying Bruce Wayne from Batman Begins is nothing like Batman based on the flashback when he was 22, except between 22 and 29 when he came back, he changed as a person as do people in real life. There is nothing to suggest the early 20's Clark won't become Superman, if anything they are showing more and more of it, from him saving the kid at the dam to realizing he should continue his training and hoping he can live up to what people think he can. Ignorant dumb fuck.
Welling is a puppet folks
by optimous_douche
Apr 3rd, 2008
06:41:08 AM
To blame Welling and Roth for poor portrayals of the Blue Boyscout is like blaming the failing economy on Ambush Bug. We are all mere puppets to our masters.

Do you honestlky think that if they gave Welling a blue suit and little red booties tomorrow he would object to putting them on?

The reason he mulls around as a sullen emo is because that’s what the director told him to do.

The director made him this way because the producers told the director that was the direction they wanted for the show.

The producers made this decision because of an edict handed from the studio based on marketing data culled from a focus group that said 13-25 year old females and 20-27 year old males really think that the Superman character is more identifiable as a bitchy whiner.

There is blame for the direction of Smallville and the last Superman movie. But let’s place the blame where it belongs. Actors are not decision makers folks, if you took away just one small chromosome, they would be dancing next to an organ grinder.

All-Star Supes #10
by Shigeru
Apr 3rd, 2008
08:50:19 AM
one of the best comics ever?
All Star Supes
by optimous_douche
Apr 3rd, 2008
09:35:34 AM
I am the world's biggest fan of Quitely and Morrison, but something bugged me about this title.

I always thought there were two points to the first Crisis. One get rid of the multi-verse and two to reign in the multitude of powers Superman aquired over teh years.

Well the latest crisis brought back the multiverse (granted it is far more organized now) and All Star Superman is once again turning Kal-El into a God.

I did like this title, but this point just kept nagging at the back of my head while I was reading it.

Kal-El in ALL-STAR
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 3rd, 2008
09:56:32 AM
He's a god in more ways than figurative. Morrison has kind of made him THE God. He's the creator of our world. Did anyone else catch that?
All-Star Supes
by optimous_douche
Apr 3rd, 2008
10:22:22 AM
Oh see I took it as an alternate world, almost a petrie dish experiment within the fortress to see what a world would be like without him.

And I guess that's where they lost my willing suspension of disbelief. The man has the strength to change the course of tides and now has the brainpower to recreate life.

I like it when heroes are fallible, that's why I have a hard time reading any books pre-1980's. There's no excitement if you know that everything can be overcome.

I'm with Shiggy Pop...
by loodabagel
Apr 3rd, 2008
10:41:35 AM
Because I know he likes to be called that. And Morrison's magical fake-science is just the icing on the cake. All Star Superman is easily the best Superman comic ever. Anyone who says otherwise is just nostalgic.
All Star Superman, etc.
by The Heathen
Apr 3rd, 2008
12:21:24 PM
Greetings from the Orbiting Cogmansion… umm, anyway, I think that All Star Superman is going to be looked back at in say ten years and be known as the 'definitive' Superman story. It's damn perfect in every single way it could be. From writing, art, presentation, emotion, action, surprises, tiny details, characterization, etc. o it's amazing. Issue #10 was brilliant, almost as much as Buffy sleeping with a chick. Ahh, just kidding, don't get me wrong, Buffy sleeping with an Asian cutie is awesome, but even that can't compare to how superb All Star Superman is. It's almost as good as Countdown even natch!!! And yeah, Black Panther would fuck up that dude from Checkmate and… who were the rest? Uh, Wildcat would rule too because Denis Farina voiced him and there you have it. Cog presence has now been felt. *boom tubes away*

*boom tubes back* optimous douche was right about it being an alternate world/galaxy thing, but maybe that world was Earth Q and maybe he did create us and therefore himself by creating that world if that world was Earth Q? Talkback commence!!! Oh, and Buffy really was a good issue too, even without the lesbianism. Drew Goddard's first issue felt like I was watching the show the way it flowed so well. That guy rocks. *boom tubes away*
*boom tubes in*
by Shigeru
Apr 3rd, 2008
02:26:58 PM
Applying pre-crisi & post-crisis stuff to All Star Supes is pretty silly. It's meant to be an elseworlds type Superman story, but even more than that it's supposed to be an architypal and DEFINITIVE Superman story. Optimus Douche you seem to be missing the point.

The world that Supes created and was overseeing was one of my favorite parts in that issue, and at the end when the guy draws the first costume of Supes I about fell out of my chair (well I think I was in bed actually). It's obviously allegorical and I wouldn't worry too much about whether it's "our" world or not. Besides, Grant is known for fucking with perception anyways. *boom tubes out*
I think our boom tube effed up the tb…
by The Heathen
Apr 3rd, 2008
06:18:40 PM
or does anyone post anymore?

Gus?

Farabee???

Hmm…
messi, normally i wouldn't submit a response
by slder78
Apr 3rd, 2008
07:44:23 PM
to such a vulgar retort, but i do know of Byrne's work, and the fact that Byrne got rid of the fortress of solitude and had both Clarks parents alive undermines your use of that work as the basis of your argument. The producers and Welling can say what they want about "influences" on the show, but they've messed with cannon enough to where your can't say it's post crisis or pre crisis or silver age or whatever.

No matter how you look at it, the characterization of Clark Kent as a whinny petulant teenager in his 20's is terrible. Going with your argument, even if he grew in to what he is destined to become in his late 20's. Season eight is the LAST season of the show. Which means he has 22 episodes to show the emotional growth that that particular version Clark needs to show.

The only thing I hate about All Star Supes...
by loodabagel
Apr 3rd, 2008
08:06:37 PM
Is that ten years from now, Superman fans will be able to hold it above the heads of the Batman fans.
's true about Morrison
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 3rd, 2008
09:17:21 PM
...and uhn, I kinda *knew* it wasn't our world. *grin* But you're right, he mostly like to play with peoples heads and perspective.

It's been almost 20 years, and he STILL has me feeling sorry for that coyote in Animal Man.
If ASS is an Elseworlds Then All Good
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
06:02:42 AM
Then all is good with that. Like I said, I enjoy the hell out of this book, and contained in an Elseworlds setting I'm fine with Morrison and crew having fun and going balls to the wall by making Kal a God of sorts.

I hear a lot of people saying though that this will be the definitive Superman, well on that we’ll have to agree to disagree.

If this book is going to go off and write its own continuity then it's far from being close to THE Superman title. This guy now has seventy plus years of history under his belt, but we’re going to let ten issues define a character? Hardly.

It’s a good book and I have enjoyed every damn page of it. Plus, I enjoy it immensely more than the “standard” Superman titles.

I’ve been saying for the past couple years that Astonishing X-men is THE X-men title. It’s apart from the other titles, but it still adheres to their continuity.

However, unlike say, Astonishing X-men, ASS does not try to blend into the existing continuity, but rather it rips portions out and redistributes them at will. Which is fine, it makes for a great story. I just think we’re a little too quick these days to redefine our heroes because it’s easier than remembering the past.

Continuity
by Shigeru
Apr 4th, 2008
08:39:50 AM
Is shite. I hate when people bring it up as a complaint. Honestly you want ASS to reference or respect or whatever 70 years of history? (especially when the quality in those 70 years varies wildly)
The Byrne shit is prime a prime example of how stupid trying to respect all continuity is... reboots, reimaginings, invisible force fields that make him fly, people coming back from the dead, ect ect.. I guess the problem isn't with the concept of Continuity, it's just that the big two seem to think changing the entire status quo twice a year is good because they apparently believe fans have the attention span of gnats. What's wrong with taking a character and placing him/her in extraordinary situations, rather than fucking with the actual character all the time?

My point: Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's All Star Superman is THE definitive Superman because it respects the greatest of all continuity: SUPERMAN HIMSELF. The pure essence of Supes. It captures what is at the heart of the character better than any other book featuring him, ever.
Fine Points Shig
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
10:11:07 AM
Bravo, Shig.
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
10:26:36 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself so I'll just use quotation marks, "Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely's All Star Superman is THE definitive Superman because it respects the greatest of all continuity: SUPERMAN HIMSELF. The pure essence of Supes. It captures what is at the heart of the character better than any other book featuring him, ever."

Perfectly said my friend.

Looda, good point! Who knows, maybe we'll get another classic Batman story in that time? Maybe Morrison himself will do it? Perhaps Batman R.I.P.? Not likely, but you never know.

optimous: "This guy now has seventy plus years of history under his belt, but we’re going to let ten issues define a character? Hardly." Actually, yeah, I think the consensus would be yes. I mean, The Dark Knight Returns was what, 6 issues? And it defined Batman for well over 20 years. All Star Superman is just that good. I think it's going to be the definitive title for Superman for the reasons I've shared and for hoe perfectly Shig explained it.
I accept your surrender, optimous_douche!
by Shigeru
Apr 4th, 2008
10:44:54 AM
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Door!
The Heater
by Shigeru
Apr 4th, 2008
10:48:04 AM
I 8========D you too my friend
Total 8===D
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
11:18:44 AM
Not a surrender
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
11:38:31 AM
Merely an acknowledgement. One of the first things you learn in corporate communications is to listen. Even if you don’t agree, you acknowledge the other person’s point of view. You did make some very good points and when I acknowledged that you whipped out a cyber cock. Thanks.

I still hold to my opinion that this will not change the tide of continuity, nor will the regular Superman universe be changed by this book.

The Dark Knight did not change Batman, Year One did. Why, because it was engrained into the regular continuity by DC.

If Morrison’s version of All Star became the regular Superman we would be where we were at before the first crisis.

I guess only time will truly tell.

Correction
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
11:40:42 AM
Sorry the cyber salami wasn't for me. Appologies.
You're talking in continuity specifically then?
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
12:11:07 PM
BATMAN YEAR ONE only changed Batman...
by stones_throw
Apr 4th, 2008
12:14:34 PM
...because of the prior success of DKR. That's why they wanted Frank Miller to tell a new origin story for Batman. The root was DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Isn't it playing semantics to say, no, it was actually the in-continuity story that was a response to the out-of-continuity story that *actually* affected the character? I'd say the influence of ALL STAR SUPES is already being felt with Geoff Johns' work on ACTION COMICS, and books like SUPERMAN CONFIDENTIAL. So what if it's not part of "canon", whatever that actually means?
Meant to type an actual message, so here that is…
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
12:21:18 PM
Batman: Year One has been st into continuity sure. It's a great story too, but The Dark Knight Returns is what many people tell others to read when they want a Batman story and it WAS the story that changed things to grim n gritty or whatever and affected the way readers and creators viewed Batman for over two decades. Is it in continuity? Well, not really, but sorta. It's comics. I do know that it DID in fact change Batman way more than even Year One did. Also, Kingdom Come wasn't in continuity, but many DC fans thought it would be cool if it was and guess who's been in JSA for the past few months? ; ) Continuity can change depending on the mood or Mephisto obviously. Hell, for all we know DC could eradicate the current characters we know and use the All Star line as the only universe, which would rule as much as it would suck! As far as being where we were before the first Crisis? Who cares? It's not that big of a deal. Like some have said, the DC verse isn't all that different right now anyways.

8==D

|{o}|
ASS & Continuity
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
12:21:47 PM
That's all I was saying.

I swear, I do LOVE this book. Pretty sure I said that in an earlier post (too lazy to check).

I just disagree with it being called the definitive Superman story or that it will change canon. That's not what it was ever intended to do.

Quite honestly I would like to see more All Star titles by different teams.

I'm one of the few people that enjoy Batdouche in ASB. I just like seeing an angry filthy Batman.

And Miller has the right to do that because these books are not part of the on-going DC continuity.

I remember someone saying continuity be damned. Well what the hell are we collecting comics for? Comic books are serial in nature, one story building off of another.

At least that's how I see it.

Really no need to flame me for ASB, I had more than enough when I defended the title back when Barking Frog did his opus to the book. Oh, what the hell, life is short, flame on.

We're gonna have to change your name, Optimous...
by rock-me Amodeo
Apr 4th, 2008
12:54:18 PM
...to Johnny Storm. That will set everyone's expectations...
Like whatever you will…
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
01:18:26 PM
but what do you think of Miller saying this is his Year Two or 2.5 or whatever he's calling it?

And yeah, ASB is horrendous, but I actually, seriously liked the last issue with all the yellow paint. First time it sorta felt like a Batman comic.
Miller is Nucking Futs
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
01:27:08 PM
This shit is not Year 2. He's not a hero, he's Batdouche.

And yes, the GL one has been my favorite by far.

This is Robin's book all the way. You identify waaaayyyyy more with him than Batdouche.

Or Are We All Just Getting Old
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
01:28:46 PM
I wonder if people who grew up on silver age books felt the same way about Year One or DKR as we all do about ASB.

No answers, just pontificating.

Old?
by Shigeru
Apr 4th, 2008
02:50:18 PM
Maybe that explains the adherence to continuity?
Optimus I was just being funny, man, no hard feelings! Intelligent discussion is good. And here we go:

When any writer or editor can go in any of the "canon" Supes books (which are..? there are so damn many of them it's hard to tell) and change whatever the hell they feel like on a whim... well what makes that canon exactly? Or more specifically, what's the difference between non-canon and canon if they all change arbitrarily anyway.

When people look back on Superman stories, they are not going to go "Oh that didn't follow the specific John Byrne revamp and he was actually on Jupiter in Action Comics when that happened so it didn't count." They are going to go "Remember that story about Superman being super and Lois Lane and Lex Luthor and saving little kids!"
It's not like Superman has different powers or Krypton never blew up or anything.
example:
by Shigeru
Apr 4th, 2008
02:53:31 PM
When regular Spider-Man sucked, Ultimate Spider-Man ruled. So yeah Uncle Ben had a ponytail but if you're going to bitch about that then you are missing the point.
Year Two'ish
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
03:34:40 PM
"NRAMA: Speaking of the whole setting in time, you’ve said that this is, at least, unofficially, “Batman: Year Two” for you…

Frank Miller: That’s the way I’m thinking of it, the title is definitely Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder."

http://tinyurl.com/29schr

From Wiki, "Frank Miller has also stated that All Star Batman & Robin does exist in the same continuity as the other storylines in his "Dark Knight Universe". This consists of Miller's Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, its sequel Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Batman: Year One, the upcoming Holy Terror, Batman!, and the Frank Miller / Todd McFarlane collaboration on Spawn/Batman. Of these, only Year One is considered canonical to the mainstream DC Universe.[4] In 2007, Frank Miller's "Dark Knight Universe" was officially designated as Earth-31 within the new DC Comics Multiverse comprised of 52 alternate universes.[5]"
Too old?
by loodabagel
Apr 4th, 2008
03:35:33 PM

Not to worry. As the unofficial connection to today's wild and wacky youth, I can generally say that ASBAR sucks when you're a young person as well. Even for future generations, ASBAR won't be an amazing stroke of insanity, it'll just be insane. And I also think that (because I can feel this thought crawling around in the back somewhere) we as a people are not in the decline of the comics age. I for one, would much rathere read a well written issue of Y The Last Man than "Lois Lane gets Murdered by Superman in some Imaginary Story." But I disgress. Carry on the previous discussion.

JMS's Spider-Man run was godd before it became him stuck on the title, no stories left to tell, doing crossovers for 2 1/2 straight years.
Holy Terror Batman!
by loodabagel
Apr 4th, 2008
03:36:48 PM
Dear god, when will it ever see the light of day? Appease me world!
Shig & All - What All Stars Next????
by optimous_douche
Apr 4th, 2008
04:14:01 PM
All good in the talkback hood brutha :-)

Yeah I have no doubt that Miller thinks this is Year 2...because he's insane.

Moving on...What All Stars Next? The Ultimate line has pretty much consumed the Marvel universe, what books do you think should bloat out the All Star Lineup?

Upcoming All Star Titles…
by The Heathen
Apr 4th, 2008
04:26:04 PM
As far as I know, it's Adam Hughes writing and drawing Wonder Woman and at one time it was Geoff Johns and JG Jones doing a Batgirl title, but I'm not sure.
i'm hearing the same flutters...
by blackthought
Apr 4th, 2008
10:21:14 PM
about an all star wonder woman book...i'd pretty much bank on one in the future. for who i'd like to see all starred up would be a young man of upstanding morality in black adam. and i'm a fan of jayce and the wheel warriors when i was gorging myself of zillions of animated shows as a youngster and its now been pointed out to me that jms worked on that show. who knew? also all star treatment would be nice on aquaman since they can't figure out what the frak to do with him in dc proper at the moment. i mean the man can communicate with fuggin' dolphins and coral reefs and shite. to me, that is bad ass. go water!
All Star Aquaman
by The Heathen
Apr 5th, 2008
04:29:07 PM
Would actually be awesome if done right. I agree, blackthought, DC has no idea what to do with him in normal continuity and someone so powerful could really benefit from a clean slate and new look, etc. Morrison would be awesome on that I bet. I'd want to see that title published with a writer like that and a really unique looking artist like Ladronn.
Morrison+Aquaman=
by loodabagel
Apr 5th, 2008
06:50:51 PM

Seaguy! It sounds awesome because it's already been done. Apparently, Morrison and Cameron Stewart are indeed working on a sequel. But yes, I know Seaguy is different. I would kill for an awesome Aquaman story. He's the king of Earth, surely that would make for a compelling yarn. Although, given how boring the book's been in, uh, forever, even a Frank Miller Goddamn Aquaman would be great.

All Star Justice League seems inevitable. I just hope it's not another Alex Ross project. Ugh.

Well, If Marvel Ever Gave ME A Shot At Writing..
by Buzz Maverik
Apr 5th, 2008
07:17:37 PM
...I've decided I'd feel like freaking.

I know you don't have to know continuity these days to write comics, that they pay you extra if you don't know anything about their comics, but I couldn't do it. I'd have to know all about their comics, which would mean forcing myself to read them.

Actually, I'd probably just ask what I'd be paid then b.s. something like everybody else at Marvel does.

Now, if I got a shot at directing, bay-bee, I'd be there with my little lense looped around my neck...

Given a shot at directing...
by loodabagel
Apr 5th, 2008
08:49:25 PM
I WILL make the great American horror movie. Stay tuned.
If I wrote Aquaman...
by loodabagel
Apr 5th, 2008
08:52:23 PM
Right now, with pretty much no knowledge of the character, knowing nothing of the continuity, would anyone care?
looda, if you wrote Aquaman…
by The Heathen
Apr 6th, 2008
11:39:05 AM
and didn't know squat about the character. I don't think it would raise too many eyebrows. I remember I got the first few issues of the OYL Aquaman that Busiek and Guice were doing, but it just fell off into nothing before I even had the chance to give a poop. Does anyone know WHO is or WHAT is Aquaman currently? Is it Arthur Curry or his new descendant that is named the same thing? I have no clue.
Busiek
by optimous_douche
Apr 7th, 2008
07:10:36 AM
I wish he would do more self created stuff. I love Astro City, but I'm lukewarm to when he tackles the big names.

Off topic I know, but I had to throw that out there.

astro city
by Shigeru
Apr 7th, 2008
10:26:01 AM
rules. also: last.
Last? Not quite....
by Psynapse
Apr 7th, 2008
02:30:53 PM
*snicker*
Astro City...
by loodabagel
Apr 7th, 2008
03:28:08 PM
is boring. Or am I missing something?
Astro City
by optimous_douche
Apr 7th, 2008
04:19:01 PM
I see it as a documentary.

It's a character driven book, with the central character being the city it self.

Busiek also tells tales from the perspective of the everyman forced into extraordinary circumstances.

He gets you to identify with these people by taking you through some of their mundane tasks. Then when he hits you with the superhero, you really feel it.

I could see how some would find these two elements boring.

Meh, different strokes for different folks. definitely more character driven than other titles and of the central characters is the city it self the book does feel lik

i too love...
by blackthought
Apr 7th, 2008
06:47:01 PM
the city of the astros. though their pitching sucks this year.
Hmm…
by The Heathen
Apr 8th, 2008
09:43:14 AM
Secret Invasion didn't suck. Kinda really entertaining actually.

optimous, there is no off topic when you're All Weeking. Besides, you could completely justify bringing up Busiek because I mentioned his Aquaman run.

Walking Dead #48?!?!?!?!?!







last…
Love kirkman but...
by optimous_douche
Apr 8th, 2008
10:31:46 AM
Never been much of a horror or zombie fan, however if someone could get me over to the dark side it would be him.
My only problem with Secret Invasion:*SPOILER ALERT*
by Psynapse
Apr 8th, 2008
10:48:37 AM
Is that if ANY of the 70's folks who show up in the Savage Land are the real deal then it's the goddamn clone saga ALL OVER AGAIN. Then again, that would completely reinforce the fact that Bendis is ultimately a hack when working on anything other than a his own properties. (which is my opinion already) Last(est)?
Maybe I'm just too much of a rebellious teenage punk...
by loodabagel
Apr 8th, 2008
10:03:42 PM
Astro City to me seems like such a Mom and Pop, Apple Pie place. It's too darn cutesy. At least that's what I got from the first two issues.
savage land...
by blackthought
Apr 8th, 2008
10:58:27 PM
how much is that round trip?
Which First Two Issues Lood?
by optimous_douche
Apr 9th, 2008
06:44:29 AM
There have been a ton of restarts to this series.

Each run is slightly different in tone.

If you didn't like the one run you read, go back to the well later in the series and give it a try.

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