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by Jubba
Apr 1st, 2008
07:18:38 PM
not a plant....
Malaise Forever!
by The Winged Doucheman
Apr 1st, 2008
07:22:43 PM
Sounds interesting.
by Pops Freshemeyer
Apr 1st, 2008
07:28:29 PM
Think I actually want to see this now...
Motion capture Jimmy Carter....
by FlickaPoo
Apr 1st, 2008
07:30:19 PM
Thanks Moriarty!
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 1st, 2008
07:32:11 PM
Good write-up; it sounds quite fascinating. I'm putting it in the Netflix que...NOW!
Jimmy Carter...
by andyny29
Apr 1st, 2008
07:32:30 PM
worst president ever.
Jimmy hung out w/ Hunter Thompson..
by nolan bautista
Apr 1st, 2008
07:32:36 PM
...extra points there for coolness
CHRIST. This TB received its first spammer at...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 1st, 2008
07:33:54 PM
...07:22:46 PM. Unreal.
okay
by CherryValance
Apr 1st, 2008
07:35:30 PM
it's in my queue
Jimmy Carter...
by andyny29
Apr 1st, 2008
07:35:49 PM
gotta love that can't do anything right leadership.
Devilcat...
by andyny29
Apr 1st, 2008
07:38:13 PM
you took the words right out of my mind.
ARE YOU *TRYING* TO GIVE CYGNUS A HEART ATTACK?
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
07:40:36 PM
Good job Mori. I Netflixed this when Harold put it in his dvd columnn.
Mr. Mcpoops
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Apr 1st, 2008
07:44:49 PM
Quote: "I was quick on the trigger tonight."

Translation: "I have no life."

Well, then by all means...spam away. But make sure you really kill this Talkback. Because we all know that's what this website needs more of.

I have to get that book.....
by travis-dane
Apr 1st, 2008
07:50:49 PM
sounds interesting.
ROFLLMFAO!!!!!
by uss cygnus
Apr 1st, 2008
07:52:57 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! !!!!! This is the funniest thing I've read all day!! ROFL!!! Thanks, guys! You really know how to cheer me up! APRIL FOOLS, INDEED!
Jimmy Carter has dead zombie eyes!....
by FlickaPoo
Apr 1st, 2008
07:53:38 PM
www.aint-we-anti-semites-com
by uss cygnus
Apr 1st, 2008
07:53:55 PM
Yeah, you support Jimmah Carter! Where's the "Billy Beer" ads? LMFAO!
I love Jimmy Carter for making me wait in lines
by Orionsangels
Apr 1st, 2008
07:58:00 PM
I was 5 or 6 years old in the backseat of my mom's car. As we would wait 3hrs a day, sometimes longer to get gasoline. Thanks Jimmy. Those were great times
I Vote for JOHN CARTER on MARS
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Apr 1st, 2008
07:58:05 PM
Thanks for the laughs.
by Kid Idioteque
Apr 1st, 2008
08:12:23 PM
"this man has been more relevant in the years after his Presidency than he was when he held that office" - No shit!!! Worst president ever. And we've had some stinkers.
Hey, Moriarty: take heed!
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:16:31 PM
You are one damned fine writer. Your review was insightful, creatively put together and as thoughtful as it was concise.

Again and again you prove that you're the best writer on the site--and that's actually saying a lot. Thanks for that even-better-than-usual review. Shit, JIMMY CARTER MAN FROM PLAINS sounds legitimately amazing and specifically because of your review I'm going to see the doc ASAP. Thanks again, man. You rule.
jimmy carter: man on mars?
by ironic_name
Apr 1st, 2008
08:20:00 PM
GREAT MOVIE BUT IT'S BEEN SQUASHED
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:20:15 PM
This movie has been effectively been "erased" from the viewing public in the United States like something out of Orwell's 1984. It's not even being reviewed let alone screened in most cities. You're not even allowed to DISCUSS Israel's wall in American media and if you know too much about it, you're an "anti-semite." Most Americans dont know dont care about what's going on over there and the media strives mightily to keep it that way. Similar reviews to yours, Drew in the odd college paper has have viciously attacked by right wing pro-israeli groups and I expect this talkback will be flooded with propaganda about Carter as well. However this is a great movie and a great book. IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND CARE AT ALL ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST GO SEE THIS MOVIE
Uh-oh. It's official. Mori's an old dude.
by Roguewriter
Apr 1st, 2008
08:23:30 PM
Fucking return key...
by Roguewriter
Apr 1st, 2008
08:24:08 PM
You're looking mortality in the eye and trying to get into heaven with all this SERIOUS cinema of late, aren't you, sir? =) (Good pick, BTW.)
Ha! You guys seriously think Carter is the worst?
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:24:30 PM
Have you been sleeping in a fucking cave for seven years? Mark my words: Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever. I was a republican until his administration redefined what America means to the world.

That stated, Carter *did* suck as president but *has* been one of the best ex-presidents ever. He really did deserve that Nobel Peace Prize for his tireless and innovative humanitarian work. And if you doubt that, do some research, fellers.
Isn't consensus that Cygnus is an idiot?
by Brians Life
Apr 1st, 2008
08:25:07 PM
Is the commission still out on that? I couldn't make the last meeting.
Jimmy Carter : Brother of the man who brought us Billy Beer
by Alice Cooper Stalker
Apr 1st, 2008
08:31:28 PM
I think that is a more appropriate title.
CYGNUS LOVES ISRAEL MORE THAN AMERICA
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
08:31:52 PM
Some patriot.
democracy in action?
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:32:12 PM
well reported instance concerning Carter's book at George Washington University... this exerpt is from wikipedia, you can find many other reports online: On March 8, 2007 George Washington University hosted a visit by Carter during which he discussed his book. According to Beth Schwartzapfel, in her report published in The Forward, a group of Jewish students led by Robert Fishman, executive director of the campus Hillel, dominated the microphones, preventing other students from asking their own questions, while asking questions critical of Carter prepared, forwarded, and distributed to them in advance by faculty and students at Emory University as if they were their own questions: The sheet distributed to students listed five questions. Among the issues raised were Carter’s refusal to debate Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz and former U.S. Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross; continuing Palestinian violence in Gaza; Carter’s assertion that Israel did not accept Clinton’s peace proposal; whether donations from the Saudi royal family explains [sic] the failure of the Carter Center to criticize human rights abuses in Saudi Arabia, and Carter’s decision to use the word “apartheid” in his book’s title. One of the students involved in distributing the handout, Aviva Berman, said that four of the five questions came directly from a list prepared by Deborah Lipstadt and other professors at Emory University, prior to Carter’s appearance at the school’s campus in Atlanta. "When Carter came to speak at Emory, they had those questions made up, so they just forwarded them to me", she told the Forward.[43] Dershowitz is the Jewish equivalent of Al Sharpton, the attack dog who makes outlandish statements on behalf of the far right israeli lobby to entangle anyone who makes unacceptable statements. According to him Carter is an anti-semite... actually anyone who says anything critical of Israel is an anti semite. from wikipedia an incident at Harvard in 2002: In spring 2002, as reported later by the Harvard Crimson, a "petition, which calls for Harvard and MIT to divest from Israel and from American companies that sell arms to Israel, [and which] also calls for the U.S. government to stop supplying weapons until four specific conditions are met by the Israeli government," gathered signatures from 74 Harvard and 56 MIT faculty members, totaling over 600 signatures in all.[13] Among the signatures was that of Harvard's Winthrop House Master Paul D. Hanson, who "signed the petition as a professor of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations" and whom Dershowitz "publicly challenged...to a debate over the Israel divestment petition."[13] But "saying Hanson had turned down his offer, Dershowitz staged a solo debate in the Winthrop Junior Common Room [at Harvard]. Standing beside a chair with a copy of the petition taped to it, he said students and professors who had signed the petition were antisemitic and knew 'basically nothing about the Middle East.'" According to Adams, "'Your House master is a bigot and you ought to know that,' he told the crowd of about 200 students. 'Everyone else who signed that petition is also a bigot.'" alan dershowitz, great defender of free speech and civil rights... except when his own interests are challenged
Jimmy Carter's new book.
by Dresh
Apr 1st, 2008
08:32:38 PM
I don't know if you heard, but President Carter is working on a new book about the educational crisis in the African-American community. It'll be called "Why Nig**rs Are So Dumb". When confronted by African-American leaders about the book's factual inaccuracies and under-researched allegations, Mr. Carter will point out that he chose the title "in order to provoke debate". When challenged to actually debate his provably false assertions, Mr. Carter will - again - run like a little girl, to tightly controlled venues that treat him with the unquestioning awe and respect reserved for a "cultural icon". The entire adventure will be documented by Oliver Stone and the resulting film will be called: "Jimmy Carter: The Greatest Guy Who's Ever Lived".
Jimmy Carter
by 900LBGorilla
Apr 1st, 2008
08:32:40 PM
Jimmy Carter Made Dubya look like a genius of a President (yes I am saying Dubya is dumb too- not nearly AS dumb as Jimmy….but kinda dumb nonetheless). But listening to Jimmy blather on about things he had a hand in screwing up and still amazingly doesn’t understand at ALL is like watching a 5 year old wipe poop on a rug…. my goodness Moriarty, I love ya but articles like this are just painful.
ironic_name: dead on
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:32:56 PM
The first nanosecond I glanced at the screen I thought that John Carter of Mars was finally seeing the light of day!
Happy Boy
by 900LBGorilla
Apr 1st, 2008
08:37:55 PM
Yes this movie has been squashed - just like the amazing works of Ed Wood...I can’t Believe people ignore these amazing works of art and brillinace!
900LBGorilla
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:40:25 PM
are you that ignorant or simply spreading propaganda so this talkback doesn't actually discuss the movie? Carter is the only President who's actually DONE ANYTHING constructive in the middle east in 30 years. CAMP DAVID ACCORDS??? ever heard of it? between egypt and israel? even reagan and clinton have done squat to fix the situation between israel and the arabs. The Camp David Accords are probably the most significant progress towards peace in the middle east in most of our lifetimes... so effective in fact that most of you probably dont remember a time when war between egypt and israel was a real possibility. but go ahead... if you're pro-israel or just stupid go ahead and make retarded comments about Carter... most of you weren't even alive when he was president and probably cant remember a thing about his administration.
yah! carter can write
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:42:35 PM
who would have thunk it?
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:42:58 PM
Jimmy Carter is obviously smarter than W
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:45:27 PM
Neither one are academics, but at least Carter can put together a cogent sentence on his own without fucking it up. Gorilla, what evidence can you cite to back up your assertion?

My evidence, you ask? Exhibit A: http://tinyurl.com/37hzpp
Why did i think this was about
by StrokerX
Apr 1st, 2008
08:47:58 PM
that other movie, John Carter Man from Mars or something?
yeah carter only graduated with honors from the Naval Academy
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:48:53 PM
and was literally a NUCLEAR ENGINEER qualified for command of our attack subs. what a dumbass
LOL, Happy Boy!
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:52:25 PM
Ladies and gents: behold what our education system hath produced!
Aint-I-uneducated.com
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
08:53:40 PM
TB geniuses on board.
TOO SOON! (Carter kills cats)
by Pageiv
Apr 1st, 2008
08:53:44 PM
http://blissfultones.net/wp-co ntent/uploads/2007/11/carter.j pg
I'm no bleeding heart liberal
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:53:56 PM
Carter was far from a great president but this has nothing to do with his presidency. I'm also not saying Israel needs to pull out tomorrow from Gaza. But none of you all have a problem that in AMERICA we cant even DISCUSS this? Ex-Presidents, college professors who even broach the subject are subject to all manner of dirty tricks simply for being a decent American and voicing their views... no one has a problem with that?
AMERICA HATERS CAN MOVE TO ISRAEL
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
08:56:32 PM
We'll send you a copy of TDK in the mail. In VHS too! ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO JIMMY!!!!!
Dershowitz likes asian chicks because they are "deferential to
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
08:59:42 PM
it's true Mike Barincle told me. but then he got sued by dershowitz. :( what to believe...
er "deferential to men."
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
09:01:15 PM
true story from a few years back about my man dershowitz. but ok time to stop posting. have fun on this TB guys.
Well stated and agreed, Happy Boy
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:07:48 PM
..about Jimmy Carter AND the Asian chicks...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:10:33 PM
which would obviously have made a more enticing title for this doc.
Seriously, though, I DON'T
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:11:32 PM
like women who are deferential to men. Gimme a chick that will knock me around any day of the week.
At last
by Napoleon Park
Apr 1st, 2008
09:12:53 PM
a movie with the keen social insight of the Argominist. ...er, armonogist> Monogamist? Gormonghast? Argon in the mist? Welll, it's keen and insightful, that the important thing. Just like the arminguest.
Seriously, though--you know about Jimmy Carter
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:14:50 PM
and the asian chicks don't you?

He fucked them--ALL of them--

"in his heart,"
Jimmy Carter--The Playboy Interview [Excerpt]
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:17:19 PM
Jimmy Carter The Playboy Interview - Excerpt

November 1976

"Because I'm just human and I'm tempted and Christ set some almost impossible standards for us. The Bible says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery." Christ said, I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery. I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times.... This is something that God recognizes, that I will do and have done, and God forgives me for it. But that doesn't mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock. Christ says, don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife. The guy who's loyal to his wife ought not to be condescending or proud because of the relative degree of sinfulness."

This is the real McCoy folks. Look it up.
Man, I love that quote...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:18:30 PM
Now THAT'S a stand up guy.
What?!! Happy Boy?
by Dresh
Apr 1st, 2008
09:19:04 PM
First of all - Israel hasn't been in Gaza for a couple of years now. Second - I don't get your point. Jimmy Carter wrote a book. It's in all the stores. Mirsheimer & Walt wrote a book. It's in stores. Jonathan Demme made a movie defending Jimmy Carter's right to write it. They have a right to write these books and make these films... and people who disagree with their assertions, have a right to criticize them. What's the problem? Take a stand and somebody will always stand against you. People talk about freedom of speech, but what they really want is freedom to make their case without being challenged.
Jimmy Carter in an orgy with hot asian chicks
by odo19
Apr 1st, 2008
09:20:08 PM
Jonathan Demme should make a doc about that. I'd probably watch it.
Carter deserves a documentary film as much as
by BGDAWES
Apr 1st, 2008
09:21:57 PM
Kevin Federline does. Seriously, even I could have made a better president than that asshole.

And I get drunk at least four nights a week.
Ugh. Double ugh.
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:22:16 PM
Goatse, eat your "heart" out! Ha!
Sometimes even five!
by BGDAWES
Apr 1st, 2008
09:22:54 PM
ASIAN CHICKS ... DEFERENTIAL?!?
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
09:23:53 PM
Fucking hardly! But Alan Dershowitz does love himself some tasty rice queens. Did you know there's a kosher Chinese restaurant called Cho-Sen? I shit you not.
Nice one, Dresh
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:26:20 PM
You're the guy who wrote, "I don't know if you heard, but President Carter is working on a new book about the educational crisis in the African-American community. It'll be called 'Why Nig**rs Are So Dumb,'" aren't you?

Way to "stand up" for what you believe. I think, though, that Happy Boy and I both will defend to the death your right to be an asshole! LOL!
BGDAWES
by ebonic_plague
Apr 1st, 2008
09:32:26 PM
I doubt you'd be half the President that Kevin Federline could be, even without the drinking problem.
Tom Bodet
by The Real MiraJeff
Apr 1st, 2008
09:33:30 PM
I'm pretty sure this will be the only time we are in 100% agreement but I too, did a double take when I read Mori's thoughts on Philadelphia. Really, Drew? Crass Oscar-bait? I was 10 years old or something when it came out so I have no idea what its release represented at the time, etc. but I still tear up everytime I see it on TNT or wherever and you've gotta admit that Hanks gives a tour-de-force. The way Denzel's character comes around might be a little obvious but he gives a great performance too. Same for Antonio Banderas. I urge you to reconsider.
Oh snap!
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:34:02 PM
Mori is right
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:34:58 PM
Philadelphia is mediocre Oscar bait. And Hanks is way overrated.
Maybe he rocks...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
09:43:37 PM
as a former comedian and a Stewart-esque everyman, but as an actor he's nothing special. He's got star quality, sure, but he's no master thespian (any more than Gwyneth Paltrow is).
I'D LOVE TO SEND BRANEBOT ON A ONE-WAY FLIGHT
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
09:45:01 PM
back to the Promised Land after I fuck him in the ass with a corkscrew while his parents watch and join in.
CARTER IS A SUPPORTER OF TERRORISTS
by Ferf Muckmeyer
Apr 1st, 2008
09:46:46 PM
Get your facts straight. Carter supports the Palestinians and their "plight". In other words, he supports terrorism. Do you see any Israelis blowing themselves up? I think not! Do you see Israel firing rockets into Palestinian territories to kill innocent civilians? No fucking way. Carter supports a "nation" that believes in the concept "Death to America". ISRAEL IS A SOVEREIGN NATION AND HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. PERIOD. The only fucking democracy in the middle east. And I'm not even Jewish. So think about what Carter represents when you spend money on this movie. Carter can go scratch his ass for all I care. And he was the second worst president in history - second only to the asshole currently occupying the Oval Orifice.
"Get your facts straight."
by ebonic_plague
Apr 1st, 2008
10:07:08 PM
Irony, thy name is Ferf. Ironically, irony's name is not ironic_name.
FERF, DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE WHAT YOU JUST WROTE
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:10:30 PM
or was that an April Fool? And with a name like Muckmeyer I'm thinking you must be Guatemalan.
cmon Ferf
by Happy Boy
Apr 1st, 2008
10:12:08 PM
I dont want to this to turn into a Jew versus non-Jew thing obviously all sides in the conflict are at fault. But cmon dude, really? Terrorism is a political tactic... probably the most famous terrorist act ever was the bombing of the King David hotel in 1946 by Zionists led by Menachem Begin who later became prime minister of israel. It was directed at British citizens 91 people were murdered and 45 more were injured. I believe it's still the largest single act of terrorism in Israel. NOT DEFENDING ARABS... they bombed us 9/11 and we still need payback... but you're a jackass if you actually hold those hypocritical views TERRORISM is a political tactic, many nations include those we support have used it and will continue to use it to farther their interests
Fishus
by The Real MiraJeff
Apr 1st, 2008
10:12:56 PM
I don't think I've ever read a dumber statement... ever. You just called Tom Hanks nothing special and compared him to Gwyneth Paltrow. That's gotta be libel or something.
HAPPY BOY
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:22:40 PM
This has nothing to do with Judaism. It's an issue of nationalism and racism. The majority of American Jews don't support the actions being taken against Palestinians. That's not to say they don't support Israel as a nation, but they are critical of that nation's actions. Just like not all Palestinians agree with Hamas, hence the constant infighting within their own ranks.
Bush is building homes for the poor too!
by ironburl
Apr 1st, 2008
10:30:39 PM
Only they are in Paraguay and for his servants to live close to his Bush super-compound.
ALAN DERSHOWITZ'S BANGCOCK A GOGO
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:31:45 PM
The hottest club in Tel Aviv!
And Leni Riefenstahl Was A Marvelous Director
by Roboteer
Apr 1st, 2008
10:36:49 PM
Another attack on the documentary art form as revisionist propaganda. If only Carter had died after getting Sadat and Begin together or stuck to building houses, the world would be a much better place. And the Egypt/Israeli peace happened more from repeated humiliating Egyptian defeats than Carter. He had a major hand in advancing 3 of the most dangerous rogue nations who have declared themselves sworn enemies of his own country. Not only was he a terrible and flaccid President, but permitted the endless national embarrassment of the Hostage Crisis. His policies helped bring the nuclear Ayatollahs to power in Iran who threaten the whole region and export terrorism everywhere. He lobbied hard on behalf of Kim Mentally Ill, the biggest surviving mass murderer in the world, for getting him respectability and funds to build a reactor that led to his nuclear program. He supervised and gave his imprimatur to the suspicious election of Communist dictator Hugo Chavez in oil rich Venezuela. And if that wasn't enough, he pushed hard for Israel to give endless concessions to Palestinian murderers of women and children. In short, he never met a tin-horn Communist or murdering terrorist he didn't like. He is hailed around the world and given 'peace' prizes precisely because of his intense anti-American stances and endless work undermining our foreign policy and political stability everywhere. To me, he's a minor monster who betrayed his countrymen for personal aggrandisement. If someday one of our cities and millions of prople are vaporized by a nuke, you can probably thank in part Jimmie's efforts. I think I'll pass on his propaganda puff piece, no matter how well it's made.
JIMMY CARTER AS H. W. BUSH
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:38:52 PM
"Read my .."

"ANTI-SEMITE!!!"

THAT WAS A GREAT ESSAY
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:41:45 PM
How's the weather in the Promised Land?
Yes this does actually look good
by kafka07
Apr 1st, 2008
10:44:26 PM
Looks like a good movie for the times. And hek, Demme made it, so why not? I'm not democrat (I swear) but Carter at least has the balls to speak out against the war and media machines. His stance on Palestine is not one everyone agrees on, but he did a lot to attain peace in the middle east as president, and brings up important points that he wants us to discuss sanely.
BUSH'S FAMILY DID BUSINESS WITH NAZIS
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
10:56:00 PM
But they treat the peanut farmer like he's Ramses and Hitler's love child. Jeebus. Get a hold of yourselves.
MiraJeff
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 1st, 2008
10:56:25 PM
If that's the dumbest statement you've ever read, I can only guess you don't read TB often... Nice hyperbole, dipshit.
Actually, Carter wasn't a commander of a sub...
by Pouchstalker
Apr 1st, 2008
11:01:05 PM
He was the engineer on the nuke sub. I need more power Jimmah!!
FUCK YOU
by Ferf Muckmeyer
Apr 1st, 2008
11:01:35 PM
Yeah, not only do I believe every word I wrote, if you were smart enough to do the research you'd know exactly what the Palestinian agenda was - KILL JEWS. DRIVE THEM INTO THE SEA. They teach it in schools to first graders, you assholes! Now they teach DEATH TO AMERICA. And how do I KNOW this? I've seen the fucking textbooks! Do I think Israel is perfect in all of this? Hell no! But I know people that live in Israel, and every fucking day Hamas is firing missiles across the frontier. So say what you want about terrorism being political or whatever. You are a jackass if you believe otherwise. BTW, hats off to Roboteer. HE knows what he's talking about.
Bitter Old Man With Former X President Syndrome
by ThePilgrim
Apr 1st, 2008
11:03:32 PM
Most 80 year olds I know- Think they know whats good for this country and how things should be done, and they want too make sure you know that. Even more so around election time... I find it's very funny that those of us who are nearly in grave- can become so unraveled and concerned with our government, the economy and politics. Your ass is gonna die soon!!!! Enjoy your whats left of it goddamn it! The Old and Wise is a bullshit term, your only as wise as too what subject to continued to study. Age doesn't factor time with that subject does... there are just as many smart young people for every dumb old one.

Think about it this way. He had the worlds most important job. Now thats gone. Imagine if he thought this way when he was in power. You see... Thats just it! They guys use it till they lose it. Damn how did i let this site trick me into a political discussion.

ROBOTEER YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THE 666
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:03:33 PM
in Jimmy's scalp. And how he was the real director of the Prequel Trilogy.
JUST BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT DONT MAKE IT TRUE
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:08:37 PM
Does your health insurance cover bugnutosis?
By the way...
by Pouchstalker
Apr 1st, 2008
11:12:08 PM
Any giant robots in the film?
WOW. ELLEN PAGE IS LOOKING SUHWEET
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:14:50 PM
in that new movie. Man she is gonna grow into one fine ass woman.
WOW. ELLEN PAGE IS LOOKING SUHWEET
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:14:52 PM
in that new movie. Man she is gonna grow into one fine ass woman.
Josh Brolin as W should be good
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:21:44 PM
Oliver is going to serve up some Bush
Iran Hostage Crisis
by ThePilgrim
Apr 1st, 2008
11:24:10 PM
Some believe Carter prolonged the hostage crisis because it helped him beat Ted Kennedy in the primaries. The crisis made the president seem more presidential..

Read up on it... This guy had trouble wiping his own ass. Worst President ever..

Death to America textbook?
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:24:20 PM
i remember that class. 7th grade right after wood shop. my textbook was a used copy. had a bunch of pink floyd logos and skull bongs drawn in the margins.
Killer Swamp Rabbit will have it's Revenge!
by ThePilgrim
Apr 1st, 2008
11:26:33 PM
Iran Hostage crisis-October Suprise
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:27:41 PM
funny, I heard the republicans drew it out to benefit reagan

"The October Surprise theory itself refers to a purported deal between high-level Reagan campaign operatives (such as campaign manager and future CIA Director William J. Casey) and representatives of the Iranian government to delay the release of the hostages until after the November 1980 U.S. elections."

of course it was just a coincidence that minutes after Reagan
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:29:44 PM
was sworn into office,the hostages were released
ACTUALLY THE REPUBLICANS HAD A DEAL WITH IRAN
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:29:56 PM
to prolong the hostage crisis so Reagan would win. That's why they were released upon his inauguration. But let's not let facts get in the way of crucifying the elderly peanut farmer.
I guess Jimmy lived in Sederot, Ashkelon
by Tthenomad
Apr 1st, 2008
11:30:54 PM
Where in 2 years 4600 rockets have been fired into Israel. I guess you all have had a head explode in front of you from sniper rifle from Calqilya. I have seen children ripped apart from bombs and Israel is the enemy? Let me ask you when is death of children and civilians OK. Americans have to realize if you say something unpopular you must face public opinion. Let see Jimmy live right by Gaza and when his decapiated child dies in his arms, let us see him blame Israel for his death. But hey he is a man from the plains that is attack by bunnies.
its settled then....
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:33:32 PM
carter was the worst president ever*

*of all presidents prior to 2000 and after 2008

Just wondering ...
by angel_svn
Apr 1st, 2008
11:34:20 PM
... if it goes into why Carter hates Jews?
irellevntelefant
by angel_svn
Apr 1st, 2008
11:35:15 PM
Bush will be in office until January 2009.
What doesn't make sense about the Oct. surprise
by Pouchstalker
Apr 1st, 2008
11:35:55 PM
theory is if they had an agreement to delay releasing the hostages so that Reagan could get elected. Why not release them the day after the election?? Or just to be sure the day after the electoral college officially elected him???
AND WHAT IS IT ISRAEL IS FIRING INTO THE REFUGEE CAMPS?
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:41:45 PM
Nerf missles? Water bombs? If only!
angel_svn
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:43:11 PM
yeah, but i'm going to cut him some slack and guess he won't fuck too much up. he'll be on vacation 18 of those 20 days in January anyway
I DON'T KNOW BUT WHAT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:46:12 PM
is how the Republicans can use those Americans as pawns to gain political power. Oh right. Look who we're talking about.
pouchstalk
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:48:23 PM
quoting "The exact nature of the allegations lies in a potential violation of the International Commerce Acts of 1798, which prohibit any private citizen or party from negotiating with a foreign power in matters of national policy or military action. It is alleged by political opponents that the Reagan campaign, or one of Reagan's election campaign staffers, communicated with the Iranian government and asked them to extend the hostage crisis long enough to ensure that he won the 1980 elections. The main cause for suspicion was the seeming coincidence of his inauguration and the hostages' release six minutes after Reagan was sworn into office on January 20, 1981, as well as the Reagan administration's later decision to provide arms to the anti-U.S. Iranian government, allegedly in return not for freeing the hostages, but for delaying their release.

However, special ops personnel involved in the preparations for the second rescue attempt believed that incoming President Ronald Reagan was involved in the planning and timing of the second rescue attempt, and that these intentions were either implied or made known to the de facto Iranian government, leading to the hostages' release just minutes after Reagan's inauguration. This was reinforced by the fact that the personnel involved were on alert status, ready to go at a moment's notice, in the days leading up to the inauguration, and that the required equipment was already packed up and waiting to be shipped. Thus, a perceived and possibly communicated threat of invasion could also have influenced the timing of the hostage release.

Correction:
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:50:45 PM
Dick Cheney is the worst president we ever had
next Bill Clinton, Man Leaves Cumstains
by irrelevntelefant
Apr 1st, 2008
11:53:11 PM
GEORGE W. BUSH, THE MAN WITH NO BRAIN
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
11:56:37 PM
hehe
irrelevntelefant
by Pouchstalker
Apr 1st, 2008
11:56:40 PM
I was aware of most of what your talking about. But, I still think if they had a deal they wouldn't have waited as long as they did to release them. Although an alternate explaination could be that the kidnappers, unaware of our electoral process, thought the inaugeration was the election. But them again I'm no expert on partical physics either.
DICK CHENEY, THE MAN WHO SHOOTS FRIENDS
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:03:56 AM
Starring Barbara Bush as Dick.
WWW.CYGNUSPLEDGESALLEGIANCETO ISRAEL.COM
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:30:23 AM
Your loyalty to the Likud Party is admirable. To traitors.
WWW.CYGNUSPLEDGESALLEGIANCETO ISRAEL.COM
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:30:26 AM
Your loyalty to the Likud Party is admirable. To traitors.
One Thing I love Today: Muppet Poo!
by xevoid
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:44:58 AM
Dick Cheney just said "So?" to this thread
by Orionsangels
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:47:25 AM
I'm sure that's what he said when he found out his daughter was a lesbian.
The Thing I Love Today...breathing air!
by Cruel_Kingdom
Apr 2nd, 2008
02:25:45 AM
Also PHILADELPHIA is a great fucking movie. What are you smoking? You also don't love SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? Love ya, Moriarty, but ugh. Those are great movies.
Move Overrated/Underrated presidents
by Prossor
Apr 2nd, 2008
02:38:07 AM
Overrated: Reagan

Underrated: Eisenhower
Cruel...
by TheRealMoriarty
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:44:04 AM
... I like SILENCE OF THE LAMBS just fine. I don't think it's THE GREATEST FILM EVER MADE, though, and I think the insane hype around it was a big part of what happened to Demme's career. He chased that success for a few years, then finally realized it was a fluke and got back to being the oddball idiosyncratic filmmaker he used to be.

PHILADELPHIA, though... oy. I'll bet you guys are reeeeeeal big Stanley Kramer fans, too, eh?

Theres nothing wrong with Philadelphia,
by Seph_J
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:09:48 AM
nothing in the least.

Sure, Silence of the Lambs is not the greatest film ever made Mori, but we know who Demme is because of it. Without it we probably wouldn't even know about his subsequent films. And its a damn splendid thriller as well... if not THE definitive psychological thriller.

Another thing Mori...
by Seph_J
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:11:48 AM
hows the PS3 saga coming along? Anything to report?
Seph_J
by TheRealMoriarty
Apr 2nd, 2008
06:18:34 AM
Maybe tomorrow. We'll see. I certainly haven't received the much-ballyhooed "special treatment" people accused me of begging for in the last talkback. I'm just going through the process, and we'll see what the end result is soon, I hope.
Mori, I love Stanley Kramer!
by Cruel_Kingdom
Apr 2nd, 2008
06:29:13 AM
(Although not so much It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World...) The man directed Guess Who's Coming to Dinner and produced both The Caine Mutiny and High Noon. Kinda hard to dislike the guy...
As for Silence of the Lambs
by Cruel_Kingdom
Apr 2nd, 2008
06:31:22 AM
I don't think it's the greatest film ever made (by any stretch of the imagination), but I do consider it a minor masterpiece.
Silence of the Lambs IS a classic...
by Abin Sur
Apr 2nd, 2008
07:16:40 AM
Any movie that has someone tell Jodie Foster "I can smell your va-jay-jay" is an INSTANT classic.
Mori--what do you think of Hanks...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
07:24:20 AM
as an actor? I know the man has loads of star quality--much as Jimmy Stewart did. But I want to know this: do you think he is as good as the academy (supposedly) thinks he is? Do you think, for instance, that he is in the same league as Dustin Hoffman (or Phillip Seymour Hoffman for that matter)?

Earlier in the thread, MiraJeff asserted the following:

"I don't think I've ever read a dumber statement... ever. You just called Tom Hanks nothing special and compared him to Gwyneth Paltrow. That's gotta be libel or something."

For the record, I asserted that Hanks is nothing special AS AN ACTOR. And, yeah, the Paltrow analogy applies because they both received academy awards for performances that were inferior to the others nominated (i.e., for their SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE and FORREST GUMP roles).

To me, Hanks is just ok as an actor. And obviously overrated. What do you think?
Tom Hanks' Best Work was Bachelor Party...followed by Toy Story
by Alice Cooper Stalker
Apr 2nd, 2008
07:35:04 AM
I'll stand up and say that I haven't been particularly impressed by anything that Tom Hanks has done. He's one of those actors that is marketed to the masses and I don't get. I have identical feelings for Julia Roberts. I don't think she's that great of an actress. She plays the same character....same traits...in everymovie she plays. My 2cents for the day.
JOHN CARTER OF MARS! oh wait-
by Maniaq
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:05:36 AM
had me going there for a sec
....paint chips......
by redhankyspanky
Apr 2nd, 2008
08:26:40 AM
"not only do I believe every word I wrote, if you were smart enough to do the research you'd know exactly what the Palestinian agenda was - KILL JEWS. DRIVE THEM INTO THE SEA." wow, eat many paint chips as a child? Only an egocentonic asshole can see genocide, and call it self-defense. You know what the "Palestinian Agenda" really is? "Try to survive another day"
The problem with this talkback
by ArcadianDS
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:04:56 AM
is that almost nobody here is old enough to have voted for or against Carter, and thus, their only opinion of him is whatever the media wants them to have.

Carter was a horribly bad president. Absolutely and undeniably horrible. The problem is that Democrats dont have their own Ronald Reagan. They cant prop up any previous presidents for us and make us pine for those great days. The only thing they have is Kennedy, and his very short presidency ended abruptly in the sixties. Since then, we've not had an iconic Democratic President - so out of neccessity, Jimmy Carter is being re-invented as a great and noble Statesman when the truth is, he was one of the 5 worst Presidents in the history of this nation. I'll let you all squabble over whether Bush is worse than Carter, but NOBODY here can deny that Carter is indeed among the worst 5 Presidents.

I wish i had 1/10 the intellect of Mr Carter
by JackRabbitSlim
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:14:25 AM
Why, I'd be spouting out the way to curb the energy crisis is to wear sweaters!
Node32774
by m2298
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:24:15 AM
Settling on land in the pre- or post- 1967 lines? Hamas wants the Jes out of all of the area. BTW, if the "October Surprise" theory is correct, that makes Carter look even more inept. Possibly the most powerful man in the world with all the resources of the CIA and FBI behind him couldn't discover what William Casey was up to?
Jimmy was put into office...
by RogueWarrior65
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:50:12 AM
by the Tri-lateral Commission. He also got a lot of Delta Force soldiers killed by running the Iranian rescue mission from the effing White House. And he blessed the Venezuelan election of Hugeblow Chavez when there was rampant violation of election procedures. The guy should stay the hell out of politics and stick to building houses.
Lyndon LaRouche lives!
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
09:59:24 AM
At least on this talkback. Where else can you find idiots taking the October Surprise seriously? Gary Sick would be happy to know there are still gullible types out there. Heck, some people still admire Jimmy Carter...who, as Sick later revealed, tried to work out a secret arms deal with the Iranians, but don't let that fact get in the way of a good conspiracy.
BRANEROBOT NEEDS MORE FIBER
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:37:47 AM
And here comes Morbid to debunk the conspiracies! Misfit! Debunk away!
How to debunk a conspiracy:
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
10:44:38 AM
A little common sense and research usually does the job. Of course, we've seen how much BSB hates both of those things. And they make the lil' tyke all petulant. Or, as he'd write, "petulent."
I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS SO MUCH BLOOD TO SQUEEZE
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:00:59 AM
from that stone. Good job, petulent one.
Jimmy Carter--The Playboy Interview [Excerpt]
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:13:32 AM
Just because it bears repeating:

As a kid, I remember this interview.

Jimmy Carter The Playboy Interview - Excerpt

November 1976

"Because I'm just human and I'm tempted and Christ set some almost impossible standards for us. The Bible says, 'Thou shalt not commit adultery.' Christ said, I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery. I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times.... This is something that God recognizes, that I will do and have done, and God forgives me for it. But that doesn't mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock. Christ says, don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife. The guy who's loyal to his wife ought not to be condescending or proud because of the relative degree of sinfulness."

This is the real McCoy folks. Look it up.

Now here's a guy that admits up front to cheating on his wife "in [his] heart." Wow. I've always wondered what Rosalynn thought about this. MY wife would absolutely behave as if I had cheated on her if I admitted that I had thought about it (i.e., I'd be a dead man). Er... uh, not that I HAVE thought about it... My point is this: sometimes it's better to lie (or at least keep intimate details of our own minds to ourselves).

That stated: Jimmy, you're (hypothetically) a more honest man than me.
BTW, Jimmy
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:20:13 AM
I don't remember Christ saying, "don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife." That's quite a paraphrase of "Judge not lest ye be judged." Though I guess in theory it works...

Imagine that: a Christian who actually tries to do what Christ said (or intended) for people to do.
because the Dept of Energy and Dept of Education work great
by ArcadianDS
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:41:44 AM
yeah thanks for creating two of the biggest sinkholes in which to pour my taxes.

And I'm not a conservative - nice try.

Node - the critical question is: Whose homeland is it?
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:46:25 AM
One that has not been resolved, in thousands of years (though if you go by strictly Biblical and historical data -it is the land of the Jews). I do not fault Palestinains or any peoples for that matter, in wanting a homeland of their own. I do not fault Palestinans or any peoples for feeling they have been robbed of the homeland of their forefathers. But, there comes a time when reality must trump a passionate yearning. Israel exists. Israel has a right to exist. Israel will always exist. The senseless and seemingly never ending violence aimed towards it and her peoples, by the radical Palestinians and their ilk, will never succeed in anything but hardening positions against them. I understand violence that is generationally passed on, but at some point, sane individuals must say that it is enough. Until then, Israel has every right to defend herself and her peoples. I do not always agree with her methods, but will always support her right to do so.
Sweet merciful Jesus...
by I am_NOTREAL
Apr 2nd, 2008
11:53:23 AM
I'm not gonna say Carter was a great or even good president (although a good bit of his ineffectiveness was due to issues and forces beyond his control), but watch some clips of Jimmy Carter speaking sometime, and then watch George W. Bush. The contrast between a folksy-sounding but compassionate and intelligent man and a true imbecile like W is stark and depressing and if doesn't make you even angrier about the miscarriage that has been the last seven years, I've got nothing for ya. Sorry.
Math
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:08:16 PM
Fifty Years of Math 1957 - 2007 (in the USA)..... Because of the evolution in teaching math since the 1950s:..... 1. Teaching Math In 1950s..... A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price. What is his profit?..... 2. Teaching Math In 1960s..... A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is 4/5 of the price, or $80. What is his profit?..... 3. Teaching Math In 1970s..... A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80. Did he make a profit?..... 4. Teaching Math In 1980s..... A logger sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is $80 and his profit is $20. Your assignment: Underline the number 20...... 5. Teaching Math In 1990s..... A logger cuts down a beautiful forest because he is selfish and inconsiderate and cares nothing for the habitat of animals or the preservation of our woodlands. He does this so he can make a profit of $20. What do you think of this way of making a living? Topic for class participation after answering the question: How did the birds and squirrels feel as the logger cut down their homes? (There are no wrong answers, and if you feel like crying, it's ok. )..... 6. Teaching Math In 2007..... Un hachero vende una carretada de maderapara $100. El costo de la producciones es $80. Cuanto dinero ha hecho?
I am_NOTREAL
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:10:01 PM
You're absolutely, positively dead on right. While Carter was not the best (historian's seem to put him in the 25-50%, not the bottom 10%, compared to other presidents--see wikipedia for source), W is arguably THE very worst we've ever had and will certainly go down in history as one of the least intellectually curious of our leaders. No matter who wins next fall's election, the next administration will be a lot better than this one. The Bush admin has singlehandedly fucked the way the world views America, and I'll never forgive them for that.
THE ISRAELIS SHOULD RELOCATE TO BOCA RATON
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:13:32 PM
The Palestinians to Miami, and just make one big Promised Land Theme Park for all faiths to share. So let it be written!
Node32774
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:17:54 PM
We can debate the British culpability before and during WWI and WWII in creating the mess that exists today, but that does nothing to address the situation as it exists now. And because of that, yes the radical Palestinians, and Islamic radicals that want to destoy Isreal, deserve the lion share of the blame for not being able to recognize that Israel does and will forever exist. I know it is not an easy thing to renounce hatred and violence that you have been literally born and raised with, but it is possible. Northern Ireland is an example of such. it can be done, but the will must exist, and I blame the will of the Palestinians for not recognizing this fact.
BUSH IS KINDA GROWING ON ME
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:18:05 PM
He seems like the kinda guy I can have a beer and clear brush with. He's good people.
"see wikepedia for source..."
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:18:48 PM
You just shot your own argument down dude. Oh, and by the way, WHOT THE FUCK CARES HOW THE REST OF THE WORLD SEES US? Are you really that feeble-minded not to know the rest of the world will ALWAYS view us with contempt and jealousy? "Oh please, please, please, let France love us!!!!" Well guess what loser? I don't give a fuck! Until your utopian one-world-government takes power, I could care less about what the leftists and radicals of the world want to chant about. They will be the first ones begging for our support when the next earthquake topples their capital or if another Hitler or Stalin tries to impose a totalitarian rule over them. Shut the fuck up, or do something about it! Oh, and P.S., if you actually try to ‘do something about it', I will be out there waiting to shoot you down like a dog in the street.
the dog in the street
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:19:55 PM
refers to radical anarchists and the like. If you want to protest or run for office, fine. I won't shoot. I promise.
WE SHOULD SEND THAT BUSTED TEE CHICK TO HOLD PEACE TALKS
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:20:51 PM
With that luscious rack at the table, the Israelis and Palestinians will be so distracted they'll sign any peace agreement put in front of them. So let it be done!
Funny, I don't even own a gun
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:21:29 PM
...it's just that some of you pseudo-communists really piss me off.
Damn you BSB!
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:22:30 PM
I've got the Rambo III add, and not the busted tee chick. I have hit refresh, like 18 times!!!!! Ahhhh!
Brasky
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:24:06 PM
written like a true disciple of Rush Limbaugh. Just keep repeating those absurd, radical right-wing lies, and more shitbags like you will believe they are true. Well done, dittohead. Give greetings to your masters for me (via phone to your fav talk-radio show) .
WIKI IS NOT THE WORST SOURCE OF INFO
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:24:37 PM
It's for the most part accurate although one should find corroborating sources. And the world is not filled with just Leftists, Bill. There are lots of Right-wingers around. I kinda view China as a far Right country willing to trample on the Lefty Tibetans without hesitating. That's no Commie country. That's pure Fascism.
The Busted Tee chick...
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:25:59 PM
would be captured by Iranian funded 'political groups' on the ground in Gaza or the West Bank and shipped to Iran. There she would be found guilty by a bunch of Imams in a kangaroo court and sentenced to death: Whereby they would dig a hole several minutes after the verdict was read and bury her to her neck. Then, children and adult men would hurl baseball-sized chunks of rock and concrete at her until she were dead.
BILL - I'M WAITING FOR THE CHICK WITH THE OPEN CROTCHSHOT
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:26:05 PM
It's why I come to AICN. That and Jimmy Carter Talkbacks.
P.S.
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:26:46 PM
Ok, Brasky--let me guess. You're... what? Fifteen years old?
Le Vicious Fishus...what a FUCKTARD
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:28:33 PM
You fucking loser. I don't listen to Limbaugh, or any of those losers. If you had ever read my posts before, you would know that. But, unlike the true (left of center) gentleman, BringingSexyBack, you jump to the same conclusions that everyone in the 'I hate America' crowd jumps to...."Ditto head!!!" Wake up you tool, you don't know me. You only think you do.
And I'll make sure that I bring my entire
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:30:36 PM
Toby Keith record collection... No dude, I am 13, not 15 and I have a 12" cock. Dude, that has to be the worst response to any post ever. Just excuse yourself.
Ha!
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:31:51 PM
You ARE sensitive, aren't you? You amuse me, Brasky! You'll grow up to be a funny funny (if a bit loony) man someday. So long, "loser." LOL!

BILL BRASKY IS GOOD PEOPLE
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:32:51 PM
Seriously, he's not an extremist. He and I had some invaluable political discussions before here. Talk to the guy - he's nothing like Cygnus. Just remember that politics tend to rile people up, that's its nature. But eventually reasonable people find some common ground.
NOW I GOT THE DUEL OF THE FATES DIORAMA AD
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:34:54 PM
Those ads are serious cockteases.
And the world is not filled with just Leftists
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:40:03 PM
BSB, see, you make a great point! I rant sometimes, because of my pure and (sometimes) misguided patriotism, but I can see your points and even agree with you. I will say that many of the groups that protest around the world, like at G8 summits, are funded from and run by leftist organizations, including but not limited to 'Federation of Green Parties of the Americas,' 'Democratic Party of the Peoples of Europe' and the 'Internationalist Perspective,' the latter being chief among groups financing Anarchists at recent G8 summits. I mean, if you can theorize all day about how evil Bush and the Neocons are, why can't you admit that there is an equally dangerous, if opposite, Leftist threat that exists in the world? Then, tie it all together and understand the how and why on KFC's new name change to Kentucky Grilled Chicken....
BSB: I guess it's the "America Hater" talk...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:40:29 PM
that had me going then! I didn't call Brasky a right wing extremist until he assumed I was a "leftist and radical" (as if right wingers can't be radical too). Incidentally, I'm no "radical," though I'm more left than I am right politically. You don't have to be a radical to hate what the Bush administration has done to our country's reputation here and abroad. And, btw, the "I don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about America" is purely a far-right talking point. It does matter what the rest of the world thinks of us (and when we torture people--terrorists or otherwise--we lose credibility). I happen to love my country, but just because you love something doesn't mean you can't criticize or attempt to fix it.

But I'm willing to start over. If as you state, BSB, Bill Brasky is not an extremist, I'm willing to have a sane political discussion starting now.
Really, we need to watch that damn Putin...
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:42:21 PM
"I looked into his soul...and saw that he is a good man..." He is also a fucking Czar reincarnated.
And yes--
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:42:34 PM
The left wing can be as far out as the right. IMO, though, we're in a cycle in which the right has done far more damage of late than the right. It is time for an adjustment.
I agree regarding Putin
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:44:03 PM
The man has been creating his own private shadow government for years... As with much else, Bush was incorrect in his assessment of Putin's character.
No, too late for that!
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:45:09 PM
Damn you Fishus...trying to make nicey! OK, OK, that's cool. I honestly don't really care for European, or Asian political thought. I mean, my parents are Italian, my Father actually born and raised there. There must be some reason why people are still streaming over here in waves. The last time I checked, Great Britain and France had both had population declinations over the last decade.
Jimmy Carter was an awful, awful president
by mullymt
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:51:37 PM
but at least he didn't try to unwrite the Constitution.
Cool
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:52:16 PM
Believe it or not, I get irritated when the USA gets grief from the likes of that pretentious hypocrite, Jacques Chirac. I'm less concerned about what foreign political leaders think of us and more concerned at what the common foreign individual thinks about us. Of course, immigration to the US does continue... We have had a reputation in the past that has inspired a large population all over the world, and I feel that that reputation has been put in jeopardy by the actions of the current administration.

Considering the outpouring of support in the wake of 9/11, it's sad that things didn't go differently for us...
IT'S TRUE ABOUT THE EXTREMISTS ON BOTH SIDES
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:54:25 PM
And I think that was one of the points we talked about some weeks ago. At that point I told Bill about how I've strayed from Progressivism to the Center-Left. Anyway, what I find disturbing about Russia is the crackdown, violently, on dissent. Witness the assassination of that journalist in London, and with radioactive poisoning too. Fucking nuts.
"unwrite"
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:54:33 PM
Hey mullymt, wouldn't "unwrite" be considered a 'Bushism?' Kind of like "straitegerize?"
And, yeah--
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:54:46 PM
Carter sucked as a leader. Ultimately I think he was a failure literally because his leadership skills were so poor. Do I believe he's ultimately a good human being--yes. But, as we know, sometimes the more charismatic leaders don't happen to be the kind of people you'd personally want anything to do with.
As bad as things have comparatively been for us
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:57:17 PM
over the past few years, I'd HATE to be living in Russia right now. "I have a bad feeling about this" indeed. Putin has apparentl found a back door to totalitarianism.
Well...
by Bill Brasky
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:57:34 PM
thank God for us both...the left and right, as in a year, the left can calm down, and the right can stop defending the guy. I know that this doesn't make much sense, but I have to roll, and I just wanted to get that statement out.
BraneRobot
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:58:15 PM
I love you. That's all. I just love you.
Extreme Left and Extreme Right =
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
12:59:34 PM
the same result. Totalitarianism. It's true.
BTW
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:02:24 PM
All extremist followers of Islam are right wing. Guess who's interested in what people are doing in the privacy of their home? What they wear? Who they worship? Yep--that's right. The EXTREME right. And there's a point where extreme right and left meet, which is why it's so difficult to differentiate the two sometimes and why Orwell's 1984 can apply to both sides of the political spectrum so easily. It's not as black and white as you think, BraneRobot.
BraneRobot--can you see shades of gray?
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:03:56 PM
You're being strident, closed-minded and self-righteous, man. Chill.
LATER BILL, FISHUS
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:08:38 PM
Sorry to leave you with Brane but I gotta go too. Busted Tee 4ever!
Later BSB
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:11:21 PM
This is one weird way to spend a day off... Good TBing it up...
The problem is this:
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:19:03 PM
you're equating all things right wing as noble--individual rights and fair play. And that's true hypothetically. Just as the left wing ideals are for collective harmony and tolerance.

Either one of these ideals often fails in the real world when taken to extremes. And, yeah, the horrors of hard-line religion is distinctly the property of the right just as the horrors of communism are the property of the extreme left. The results are the same--the suffering of the individual. People are corruptible whatever ideology they choose to push. If you don;t believe that, you need to do some more research on the history of the world.

And you being closed-minded has absolutely nothing to do with me. Can't you see that you're convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're absolutely right about everything you're writing? You're lashing out at this "leftist" phantom that's not even there. Man, I think that's sad. I'm willing to concede I'm wrong sometimes--hell even a lot of times. But you seem so absolutely convinced of your political beliefs that you come off as some kind of venom spitting ogre. You're better than that, man.
Aren't you?
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:20:32 PM
BraneRobot = AnimalStructure
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:45:36 PM
Also known as Thunderballs. Google "AnimalStructure" and/or "Thunderballs" and "aintitcool" if you want to read some hair-raising stuff, like how he supports genocide against Muslims, that there is not "and has never been" such a thing as a right-wing dictatorship and that Milosevic "got a bad rap".

He's one of the few truly evil talkbackers we have here - an absolute monster.

BraneRobot - you are just dead wrong about fascism
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:48:16 PM
The government of Nazi Germany was a fascist, totalitarian state. Totalitarian regimes, in contrast to a dictatorship, establish complete political, social, and cultural control over their subjects, and are usually headed by a charismatic leader. Fascism is a form of right-wing totalitarianism which emphasizes the subordination of the individual to advance the interests of the state. I did not write that paragraph, it comes from this link :http://www.remember.org/guide /Facts.root.nazi.html Dude, Nazism is one of the most extreme versions of far right, ultra-conservatism that has ever existed. If you are going to argue against the far left or far right, you had beter get your facts straight.
You didn't have to say it...
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
01:51:02 PM
your tone did that for you.

And, as for hard line religion being a right wing tool--look around you. In practice, right wing does not equal libertarian.
The definition of left and right
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
02:08:08 PM
has evolved over time. BR is cherry-picking in his definition of what the right wing is about and completely blasting the worst potential qualities of the left.
BraneRobot - Once again, you are dead wrong
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:21:40 PM
Just because the word socialist existed in the National Social Party, does not make them socialists, and in fact Hitler had either kicked out, jailed or killed all socialists within the party by 1933. The Nazis were one of the most extreme CONSERVATIVE movements of all time. Racial purity. Militant and martial objectives. Near religious worship of one man and one cause (Reaganism anyone?)I could go on. There is a movement afoot by the radical right that is trying to re-brand nazism as a leftist movement. You are obviously a disciple.
The Nazis were Socialists.
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:42:08 PM
It's really desperate to try and deny that. It seems that some talkbackers here will be very surprised to learn that Hitler and Stalin were originally allies.
The far right is trying to re-write history
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
03:51:20 PM
And that is insulting. I could care less what branch of the political tree a nutjob like Hitler and his followers sprouted from, but I do care when revisionists attempt to change history.
Ok,BraneRobot/AnimalStructure... ...
by travis-dane
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:06:09 PM

Hitler was not a STRICT vegetarian!He played with the idea because he admired Richard Wagner.

It was Goebbels plan to tell the German people that Hitler is a vegetarian,drinks no Alcohol,does not have sex and so on.

The Nazis wanted the public to perceive Hitler as an "Übermensch"(Superhuman).The truth is that Hitler,like his goons to,"enjoyed" his life as much as he could.Most of the Nazi-Regime leaders were heavy smokers,drinkers and fucked anybody they could get their hands on(some of them even boys).

Most of your "points" BraneRobot/AnimalStructure are Neo-Fascist propaganda bullshit,that you can find on every Neo-Nazi bullshit website around the world.Since I live in Germany,I hear that BS you write to often.

The Nazis did nothing good!Nothing they did can excuse what they did to Mankind.So,stop posting your Neo-Fascist propaganda around here.

Fascists...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:08:10 PM
...in all their forms, including Nazis, abhorred true socialism as it (at least in theory) was open to all people of the world. Fascists' adherence to the idea of guaranteed jobs and free health care was extended only to a select group or groups, in most cases a "people" or race. Subjugating all other people while doing so was seen as not only necessary but desirable as well.

When it comes to class structure, fascists are very much right wing. They actively oppose class struggle and consider all levels of class society to serve an overriding purpose, namely the support of the people/race/nation. Big business and fascist governments loved each other. In return for the governments' suppression of trade unions, socialists and liberals, big businesses dealt almost solely with their governments as clients/customers. Fascist governments kept workers in their place and big business kept supplying the governments with the means of waging expansionist wars and supplying the "people" with material goods.

Fascists proclaimed being neither left nor right, as many populist movements do to gain widespread support and did have many members come in from the extreme left, but in practice they were "socialist" merely in terms of giving the chosen "volk" advantages at the expense of others and decidedly ultra-conservative in terms of their view of class and economy.

The problem with assholes like BraneRobot is that they can't fit into their heads that there are extreme versions of politics on their end of the spectrum. BraneRobot wants to label every form of totalitarianism as "leftist" so that he, the "true" conservative, can commit and/or support any kind of outrage imaginable with the easy excuse of "no, only leftists can be genocidal."

Like I said, he is truly an evil fucking maniac, a monster of colossal proportions and infamous on these boards for his crypto-fascist rants.

Here's some more recent history...
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:11:26 PM
...for Toadkillerdog, and other blinkered types. The Socialists were eager to forget the Nazis just like our homegrown Commies were eager to forget the USSR. Within a week of the fall of the Berlin Wall, all the Communist bookstores -- that used to embrace the USSR as a model -- suddenly had signs celebrating the death of Moscow's "fake Communism." The 1940s weren't so long ago. You can look things up for yourself, and see the Nazis were Socialists.
Progressives compared to Nazis
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:11:31 PM
Contemporary progressives (or liberals) usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Progressives tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

Let's see--BR's Nazi party analogy point by point:

1. "Progressives usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters." Nobody would argue that the Nazis embraced "freedom of choice in personal matters." The Jews and gay folks, among two of many affected groups, would attest to that,

2. Governmental control of the economy. That's a check with the Nazis for sure. The Nazi party definitely did have a tight hold on the economy. The Neocons also seem to be advocating this kind of economic control of late.

3. Welfare for the disadvantaged? Well, I guess in Nazi Germany if you looked the right way, talked with the right accent, had the right culture and hung out with the right people (oh, and obviously didn't SAY the wrong things) this might be a fit--you might just be a welfare beneficiary (thanks to your Jewish neighbors wealth that they won't be needing anymore)! This just doesn't hold water. The hard right is all about keeping the minorities and weirdos in line (and, in extreme, getting rid of them altogether).

4. Strict regulation of business. That's a check with the Nazis, though neoconservatives are obviously a lot more willing to get involved with business than their more traditional brethren.

5. Environmental regulations? Hah! That's a good one. The Nazis were real kind to the environment during their political tenure. Not to mention the fact that this was kind of a non-issue back then.

6. Defending civil liberties and freedom of expression? Oh, yeah. The Nazis RULED at that. Of course, millions upon millions would disagree (if they had lived to disagree).

7. Support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyle? HAHAHAHAHA!! Oh, yeah. Those Nazis were SUCH fucking bleeding heart liberals!

Bottom line: the only leg your argument has to stand on has to do with governmental regulation of the economy and business. Personally, I don't like government being overly involved in the economy (apparently unlike our friends in the White House). HOWEVER, the right wing in our country DOES INDEED own a backwards, traditionalist and intolerant foundation when it comes to an individual's right to freedom and personal happiness, and it the contemporary right wing is the party supported by (and enabled by) extreme religious ideology. Ask just about any Republican in office what they think of atheists, gay rights or anti-discrimination laws.

BR, If you're such a believer in individual freedom, do you believe the government shouldn't discriminate against minorities or deny them freedoms the government grants to others? Bear in mind that the Nazis not only exterminated Jews, but also folks that didn't conform to traditional, "Aryan" looks, ideals, and lifestyles. And THAT, my friend, is where the most extreme right wing thought leads. Don't get me wrong. The most extreme left wing thought also leads to a similar place (lest we forget the lesson of the USSR or China). My point is these are ideologies--left or right--that are used by really evil shits to get into power. Once they attain it absolutely, then the carnage begins.
About BraneRobot:
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:21:16 PM
Before any of you decide to take anything he says about genocide seriously, consider what he said about the massacre in Srebrenica:

"If you want to make an omelette you have to break a few eggs."

What a guy.

MorbidObesity
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:27:11 PM
I have no blinkers on, I am not blinded by the facts and the truth - which are separate things. Let me elucidate. Fact: the word 'socialist' is in the name of the Nazi party. Truth: Hitler was a right wing extremist who only cared for the purity and sancity of the Aryan race. No other races need apply. Does that in ANY way sound like the far left wing - which is inclusive of everyone under one tent; group think? No, it does not, because it is not. Communism, and Utopianism, those are the extremist left political movements. Stupid as they are, and you will get no defense of them from me. But you had better research your history and not just regurgitate far-right wing revisionist propoganda before you spout off at me. You had better research it very well. A friendly warning.
Carter Sounded Cool To Me
by Saluki
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:35:49 PM
Apparently I'm supposed to think Carter was a lamoid, and then get on my knees to suck zombie Reagan's cock. Considering what Reagan pulled with those hostages, I'm surprised so many Americans are willing to take elephant cock up their asses anymore. The senile fucker was in a scandal before he even had taken office.
toadkillerdog
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:37:44 PM
Excellent. Concise and dead on commentary. No one is defending the far left here. The far right, however, has a few champions at aintitcool.com.

Oh, Jimmy! You really rile 'em up, son!
Hitler...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:38:21 PM
...and the Nazis accepted former communists into their ranks quicker than former liberals, conservatives or socialists, not because they were on the same side of the political spectrum, but because the further out to the left and to the right you go, the closer you become to each other in terms of how you "solve" society's "ills". Communists, having been indoctrinated in totalitarian thought and belief in subjugating yourself to a monolithic state/apparatus, were easier to "convert" than the others.

You really have to be warped beyond all help if you can't differentiate between left and right wing extremism. It's no coincidence that the idiots spouting this shit are Americans. Their sense of the left-right scale is often so fucked up that right-wingers will call liberals "communists" while left-wingers will call conservatives "fascists". Nuance and historical perspective isn't exactly a strong point with these people.

There are plenty of Nazis in the American Left.
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:51:12 PM
Sorry, folks, but it's pretty hard to buy into the notion that the Nazis couldn't have been Socialists or Leftists or Progessives because...well, everyone just knows how tolerant those Leftists and Progressives are. In fact, the far Left is full of hardcore Jew-haters, and plenty of mainstream Leftists are perfectly comfortable marching alongside them. Zombietime.com is a good place to enjoy pics of the Leftist Nazis, but the guy behind that site doesn't have to carefully sift through his photos to find examples. You see those Leftist creeps all over America.
Thank you Le Vicious Fishus
by toadkillerdog
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:51:55 PM
You are absolutely correct about the right-wing apologists on this site. I do no care what anyone's party affiliation is, but I can not tolerate extremism in any form from any part of the political spectrum. It leads to dangerous and inflexible ideas and consequences.
As usual, BraneRobot...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:54:24 PM
...aka Thunderballs aka AnimalStructure, you're doing all my work for me. It's enough to scratch the surface a bit and off you go, ranting and screeching, treating us to your sad, demented take on the world.

By the way, those "anti-American Muslim" Kosovars you mentioned, would those be the same ones who flew at least as many American as Albanian flags during virtually every newscast from the region in connection with their recent secession from Serbia?

You pathetic, stupid motherfucker.

Whoa there, Doc
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
04:58:09 PM
I'm with you on most of what you're saying, but I take offense at the general American bashing in your last post. Sure, there are American, right wing extremists out there, but they are far from alone in the world. Some of the best, most even minded political thinkers are ALSO American. Let's not reduce this to an America against the world argument.
MorbidObesity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:00:45 PM
There is something these days known as "Third Positionism", which is a political orientation where the extreme left and the extreme right more or less find common ground. Why? Because they have reached the conclusion that Western-style, liberal, market-driven democracy is the one common enemy that must be defeated if either is to have a chance at success. They will give credit to ANY and ALL ideologies which oppose the latter. This is why you'll hear David Duke express admiration for radical Islamist methods, and how the KKK and Nation of Islam actually can share a stage together. It is also why you'll sometimes see far left extremists downplay right-wing dictatorships' crimes as being minute compared to the crimes of liberal democracy as well as right-wing wackos downplaying Soviet bloc atrocities for the same reason.

Don't let yourself be duped by that revisionist shit.

Le Vicious Fishus
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:04:02 PM
I AM an American. And I agree with what you said. My point is that when that particular kind of warped view comes into play, it's virtually always an American. I'm not trying to say that all Americans are like that, far from it, but it's an affliction which I think is, sadly, uniquely American in this day and age.
For an example of Third Positionism..
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:08:07 PM
...look no further than BraneRobot and Noam Chomsky. In the right corner you have a guy who will downplay the number of Muslims murdered in the Balkans or say they deserved it, and in the left hand corner someone who claims the massacres are a fabrication or grossly exaggerated by the West.

What is their common target? Western-style liberal democracy.

DocPazuzu, my love...
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:10:25 PM
Nobody with a knowledge of history is surprised to see David Duke expressing admiration for radical Islam. See, he's a veteran Nazi type (which means he's a socialist), and Nazis hate Jews. Don't pretend that this is all some new development, whether as "revisionism" or the not-so-new idea of Third Positionism. There was an article in the Village Voice back during the first Gulf War, all about how uncomfortable veteran peace activists were to find themselves marching next to people waving swastikas. "Uncomfortable" was about as extreme as the old hippies were willing to put it. Today, it seems those same Leftists (and the younger generation of same) is very comfortable marching next to Nazis, as well as alongside radical Islamic militants. There are even plenty of proud gay radicals who are stupid enough to march for their own eventual genocide...although they've got a better chance with the Nazis than with the Islamo-fascists.
MorbidObesity
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:19:26 PM
Generally, if you ask a person their political affiliation they will tell you what it is. If you ask David Duke if he is a socialist, I'm pretty sure he will answer in the negative.

Take that, and the history lessons I and others have provided for you, and try to draw some sensible conclusions instead of the warped and exceedingly faulty view you currently hold.

Oh and...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:20:31 PM
"these days" doesn't necessarily mean last week.
Furthermore...
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:25:29 PM
...Nazis also blame Jews for both Capitalism and Communism (!) yet will side with Communists if their common enemy is the West.

In pre-war Germany, Nazis and Communists hated each other and would fight in the streets. However, they would often team up in order to beat up liberals and social democrats, whom they hated even more than each other.

DocPazuzu...
by MorbidObesity
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:26:09 PM
You could've once asked David Duke if he was a Nazi, and he would've said he wasn't. He is. That's what we're discussing. Commies, Socialists, and Nazis constantly deny their political affiliations. They try to rewrite history, just as I pointed out about those Commie bookstores and their desperate scramble away from the USSR's collapse. We've even got talkbackers here who can't accept that Nazis were Socialists, simply because they equate Socialism with the Left, and Leftists are all so gosh-darn tolerant and stuff. If you can't accept that Nazis were Socialists (which I'm pretty sure is the only thing I've really been discussing here), then you're in need of a history lesson.
BR: NOW we're getting somewhere!
by Le Vicious Fishus
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:26:18 PM
See. We have some common political ground to work with.

And in fact, yes--I do have some conservative beliefs: I was a republican for many years until the party shit on its supposedly libertarian ideals. For the most part, I'm a fiscal conservative. I'm pretty moderate that way, actually. I don't like governmental over-involvement in any aspect of my life, though I do acknowledge there are some situations in which government needs to intercede economically.

I am against gun control except for the obvious assault rifles, etc.

I have gone back and forth on the death penalty, though I'm no bleeding heart there I can assure you.

I am for a strong defense and am not anti-war in sane cases.

You see? When we find common ground it's easier to communicate. Now stop using crazy, inaccurate divisive political language, will ya?
Le Vicious Fishus
by DocPazuzu
Apr 2nd, 2008
05:29:06 PM
Don't bother. BraneRobot has gone on record saying that George W Bush is a liberal. He's beyond the realm of reason.
BraneRobot - you piece of baboon shit
by toadkillerdog