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Is This Where & When The New DARK KNIGHT Trailer Will Emerge??

Do it! by matalo	Mar 31st, 2008 09:42:00 AM
Do it!
Evonicalicabaishabibe by michyfergi5	Mar 31st, 2008 09:42:59 AM
Batman.......
This will be great! by Sparhawk38	Mar 31st, 2008 09:45:28 AM
Did I mention this will be great?
we don't need more trailers by Mr Gorilla	Mar 31st, 2008 09:50:17 AM
we just need the goddamn film!
TDK's marketing is kicking the shit out of Indy 4's by leobloom	Mar 31st, 2008 09:51:47 AM
T-minus less than 2 months and we've seen a teaser from Indy (and I don't even count that TV spot, since it's 95% rehashing what was in the teaser)
I wanna see it. by Juggernaut125	Mar 31st, 2008 09:52:14 AM
I waana see it wannaseeit wannaseeit wannaseeitwannaseeitwannaseeit wanaseeit wanaseit wanseit wanit now.... Now now now now now now now now.
We DO need another trailer, but it's too soon by performingmonkey	Mar 31st, 2008 09:52:21 AM
It's too soon for the final trailer so I'm calling BS on this, unless it's something OTHER than a trailer.
Trying to establish if its genuine or not... by Kefrif	Mar 31st, 2008 09:54:47 AM
I've looked up the domain and it comes back from whois as being registered by godaddy.com to a company called Domains by Proxy, Inc. who do anonymous address registrations. Not looking any deeper than that, but it suggests subterfuge, so could well be genuine....
Seems like a fitting day by nascentia	Mar 31st, 2008 09:56:24 AM
Seriously, April Fools day for the sequel dealing with the Joker? Seems like it could be legit.
I want another Dark Knight trailer so bad!!!!!!! by RighteousBrother	Mar 31st, 2008 09:58:39 AM
and to leobloom...........Indy doesn't need marketing - all anyone needs is the date its released and thats it.
I'd rather have a full CRYSTAL SKULL trailer... by acorvey25	Mar 31st, 2008 09:58:54 AM
Because I already know THE DARK KNIGHT won't disappoint.
Viral marketing shmarketing, a new trailer = new footage by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2008 09:58:58 AM
Quit bitching about the fucking nature and timing of the trailers and just enjoy the summabitches. And if it REALLY bothers you, well just don't watch genius.
I figured it out.... by g-ride9000	Mar 31st, 2008 09:59:35 AM
It's Heath Ledger's drug suitcase!
my name's dr roxo by g-ride9000	Mar 31st, 2008 10:00:38 AM
AND I DO COCAINE!
hysterical g-ride...wa-hoo by just pillow talk	Mar 31st, 2008 10:02:42 AM
I can always go for another helping of a dark knight trailer.
Harvey Dent viral campaign by kafka07	Mar 31st, 2008 10:05:08 AM
has not been as fun as the Joker virals (although it's pretty neat to have Aron Eckhart calling my house and campaigning about justice in Gotham), but it's still whetting my appetite for the new trailer.
I really don't care for another trailer. by Diagnostic	Mar 31st, 2008 10:05:17 AM
I will wait patiently.
Look for it around 3:00 tomorrow. by 7pointedstar	Mar 31st, 2008 10:05:31 AM
Not sure what time zone - probably Eastern. But that's when Dent's campaign site said he'd be giving a "public address" at Gotham City Hall. And it probably won't be the trailer. If the last few have been any indication, it will probably be a nationwide game to reveal the trailer. I love the viral marketing for this one. They're doing a good job of not only keeping interest up, but actually making the people who want to see it first really work for it and feel like a part of it.
April Fool! He's not really dead! by JackBauer24	Mar 31st, 2008 10:09:29 AM
yeah i went there. I wish =(
I dónt want more Indy or Batman trailers by CuervoJones	Mar 31st, 2008 10:16:09 AM
Save something for the movie!
RighteousBro: No Indy trailer b/c they're nervous about backlash by leobloom	Mar 31st, 2008 10:24:27 AM
and trying to lower expectations, maybe. Remember the high hopes for TPM?
CuervoJones by leobloom	Mar 31st, 2008 10:26:21 AM
We've seen 45 seconds of Indy...I think they can stand to share another 60 seconds with us.
I'm unsure about this. by Neil Peart	Mar 31st, 2008 10:50:46 AM
Due to the fact that something will apparently happen on that site tomorrow I have this feeling that we're all going to be "Rickrolled".
Why are people applauding this film? by Sithdan	Mar 31st, 2008 10:51:11 AM
 It seems to me that an awful lot of people are already lauding this film, and the thing isn't even close to being released yet in theaters. You can't judge a movie by the trailers alone. I personally am reserving my judgment until I see it, although Ledger's Joker makeup looks terrible in the previews. Isn’t Joker’s skin supposed to be bleached white, not painted on? What became of adhering to the comic book source material? I want to like the Dark Knight, but I’m going to be cautiously optimistic until I actually see it.
leobloom..... by RighteousBrother	Mar 31st, 2008 10:55:21 AM
I agree I think they've made a concious effort not to over hype it.
Trailer backlash??? by slone13	Mar 31st, 2008 11:12:54 AM
Paramount's not worried about any "backlash". They've got the # 1 film of the summer on their hands. Period. No amount of "trailer backlash" in the world will change that.
Sithdan..... by JayWells87	Mar 31st, 2008 11:15:38 AM
Get over yourself. We're excited for a new Batman movie, and especially one done right, maintaining the SPIRIT of the comic. So what if his skin isn't bleached? I've only seen bits of Heath's Joker and I would take his over Nicholson's or Romero's any day of the week. Don't be such a party pooper.
Who cares???? The movies almost out. by GibsonUSA	Mar 31st, 2008 11:20:34 AM

Agreed Sithdan is being a party pooper. by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2008 11:25:05 AM
I hope this Joker's skin isn't bleached white. I mean it does seem a little over the top to have 2 skin disfiguring events/villains in the same movie (Two Face and Joker that is). I hope Joker is just a crazy psychopathic mutherfucka!
Leaf Hedger is dead? by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 11:29:49 AM

I agree with Sithdan by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 11:31:25 AM
Leaf Hedger looks awful in this. Fucking hollywood...
Bruce Wayne by Olee Starstone	Mar 31st, 2008 11:36:11 AM
Shouls still be the centre of this film. I hope the Joker doesn't steal it. And i hope the 3rd trailer features more Harvey, less Joker.
Enough about Ledger... by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 11:39:59 AM
Fuck that shit. Seriously. Where is the tribute to Jeff Healey!!!???
Its not the WB's fault Ledger killed himself. by Smashing	Mar 31st, 2008 11:46:46 AM
Why should an entire company suffer because some artist "accidentally" killed himself with a drugs overdose? I think WB has been quite decent in not overusing his image to promote the film, it I was them I would have re-shot it without him in the role but that's highly unreasonable.
Good by CherryValance	Mar 31st, 2008 12:00:12 PM
I think it's time they started marketing this properly. I always thought they should just continue on. For Heath's sake. Just recently on the entertainment shows they were interviewing Christian Bale on some red carpet, and having to answer the Heath question looked like it might kill him. No one seems to know what to do still, but I think it's time we moved forward. We all love Heath but we can't have him back, so let's just enjoy his last completed film the way we were always meant to. And if we get Rickrolled, it's just another excuse for me to do my Rick Astley dance.
BraneRobot by Shigeru	Mar 31st, 2008 12:02:16 PM
you're a fucking idiot. WB should not release the movie?? explain to me exactly why. It's not like Ledger went on a killing spree and then offed himself.... and it's certainly not like WB is marketing the film as "HEATH LEDGER'S FINAL PERFORMANCE BEFORE HE GO DIE DIE". If anything they're being tasteful.
BraneRobot by Philvis	Mar 31st, 2008 12:03:27 PM
Ummm, so what are they supposed to do? Call it a day and reshoot a different film? Sorry, but people die. If anything, they held up on using the Joker in ads and stuff. If it were my film I would be marketing the hell out of it..."See Heath Ledger's last full performance!"
Heath Ledger would want this film to be released. by Shigeru	Mar 31st, 2008 12:03:48 PM
I'm assuming Ledger would want the best quality of film to be released, so let's go with that.
See, here is the problem... by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 12:05:06 PM
"for Heath's sake"? He wasn't the goddamn second coming people. He was a mediocre actor who had a suspect accidental suicide. "move forward"? If you are so disabled now because Leaf Hedger died, then I have a few perscription drugs that will help you escape the harsh reality of living with out an actor.Jesus fucking Christ
ugh? by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 31st, 2008 12:16:15 PM
...one person dies and the entire film should not be shown? how stupid is that?...Heath Ledger was a ACTOR, meanin he either liked actin or loved actin...not showin an actor's performance in one of his last movies is like not salutin a soldier who sacrificed his life to save his troops or platoon or whatever...maybe not to that extent, but u know what Im sayin... ...with that said, bring me a trailer wit the greatest villain ever created!...the Joker that is, not that double face guy...
Braffed by CherryValance	Mar 31st, 2008 12:17:28 PM
Don't be jealous just because no one will be sad when you die. It's unseemly.
Cherry.. by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 12:20:42 PM
Your mom will be sad if something happens to me. I pay her the high price of $3 to be on the other end of a gloryhole.OWNED!
Ledger's family said to go on with the viral marketing by stinkyfingerz	Mar 31st, 2008 12:22:02 PM

cont'd by stinkyfingerz	Mar 31st, 2008 12:23:54 PM
they said he was proud of this movie, so shouldn't we watch it the way it was supposed to be. What happened to Ledger wasn't a complete travesty like the Vic Morrow incident on The Twilight Zone Movie. Plus, his performance looks fucking fantastic.
guguguguguyaaaaaaaaaayuh by sharpie	Mar 31st, 2008 12:25:11 PM
apparently texts were sent out to people from recruiting@rent-a-clown.com saying "Hey clown! Long time, no crime spree! Well, put on your floppy shoes and answer this question: are you ready to get to work? (ReplyY/N) and if you reply Y, you'll get "Glad to see you're still alive and kicking. I'll be in touch before Poisson d'Avril." Poisson d'Avril is either something about april fools, or the new avril lavigne cd.. not quite sure which
Waaay off topic but... by bmumtw4	Mar 31st, 2008 12:32:53 PM
I am an Englisher, I don't suppose anyone here can tell me who the hell Roger Friedman is? I only ask because he has a peice on Foxnews.com that says aintitcool gave Tropic Thunder a tepid response, and as an avid reader of this site got the impression that the opposite was true. I have this real problem with bad jurnos and the more i look up this "critic" all he seems to do i lie about Tom Cruise. Turned him down in a bar perhaps? Oh and if this whole Batman thing works out maybe we can all push for a Condorman reboot.
heath ledger who? by daddyfatnads	Mar 31st, 2008 12:42:24 PM
two bit actor,just release the damn film already!
Cynicism by Mooly	Mar 31st, 2008 12:53:02 PM
Is it cynical to think this new trailer will hype the hell out of Heath Ledger to bring in the same crowd who suddenly became Brandon Lee fans after The Crow incident?
Enough about Ledger... by Herb West	Mar 31st, 2008 12:53:43 PM
Yes, enough. It was a terrible thing to happen but it's time to move on. No disrespect to Ledger or his family, but people die every day in the world and it's no less tragic. No one can blame anyone in this movie for wanting to carry on.
Re: bmumtw4 by they call it the dip	Mar 31st, 2008 12:57:15 PM
I just read that article you were talking about. From what I can tell the guy's just some crappy journalist that's hating on cruise for the sake of hating on cruise. for one, he doesn't know what he's talking about with Valkyrie. And two, if he had read anything about aintitcool's reception to anything tropic-thunder-related, cruise has been celebrated as the cherry on top of the movie. another idiot from fox news - as if they didn't have enough already.
BraneRobot... people die all the time by MattmanReturns	Mar 31st, 2008 01:05:58 PM
You do realize a stuntman died on this movie as well, right? Did you want the movie to be shitcanned over that? Or did you only start caring when Heath died, because you knew who he was? If a movie were cancelled every time an actor or a stuntman or anyone involved with the production died, movies would be cancelled left and right. Plus, I can't imagine Heath not wanting people to see his final performance. Based on all reports, he put a lot of himself into the role of the Joker, and it would be the ultimate disservice for Warner Bros to pretend like it never happened. Warner Bros certainly isn't going to cancel the movie based on a few whiny assholes like you, who have no actual respect for the man who died, but simply want to stir up some shit. If you did respect Heath as a serious actor, you'd know that he would want his performance to be seen.
I can't wait to see how Leno handles a reanimated Ledger. by Kid Idioteque	Mar 31st, 2008 01:12:04 PM
Too soon?
"If a movie were cancelled... by they call it the dip	Mar 31st, 2008 01:18:19 PM
"...every time an actor or a stuntman or anyone involved with the production died, movies would be cancelled left and right." --- is that true? Maybe I have a shot making movies after all. I can't imagine a single one of my productions where more than half the cast and crew would leave alive. I guess I don't HAAAVE to set my teen sex comedy script in Burma, but I say it's about time to have my cake and eat it too.
Hypocrites by Sithdan	Mar 31st, 2008 01:27:50 PM
Fans whine and bitch when comic book film adaptations don't honor the source material, yet people are rallying behind this HORRIBLE appearance of the Joker in the Dark Knight. Joker's skin is supposed to be bleached. End of story.
It annoys me by terrytips	Mar 31st, 2008 01:31:10 PM
That this site followed every piece of news relating to the piece of shit, underwhelming Cloverfield viral campaign, while not having a clue about anything to do with this one, which is completely awesome.
Tell 'em SteveDave...i mean SithDan.. by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 01:32:07 PM
Fuck you "fans" BTW batman begins was a steaming turd!
BraneRobot by messi	Mar 31st, 2008 01:56:35 PM
Go back to your celebrity magazines cuntfuck.
Sithdan by messi	Mar 31st, 2008 01:57:48 PM
You fail. If it lives up to the spirit and ideas and concepts without going somewhere where it doesn't then it's ok. I don't see how bleached skin and painted skin changes the fact The Joker is a psychopath. Batman 89 is waiting for you.
Braffed Owned by spidermanfreak20	Mar 31st, 2008 01:58:52 PM
Hilarious dude. But yeah. It's in bad taste for WB to release this for 16 years. Save it for Matilda till she turns 18. (delete spaces when you copy and paste) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VtLJ_UoyjaA
The space between the equal sign by spidermanfreak20	Mar 31st, 2008 01:59:23 PM
Delete it
sPIDERFAN!!! by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 02:14:20 PM
That is some weird shit dude!
Regarding Sithdan by qtipsq	Mar 31st, 2008 02:17:24 PM
Sorry, Sithdan that everyone is excited about this. We are so sorry, that his skin isn't bleached. Ledger is a brilliant actor and no little plot detail is gonna change that fact or the quality of this movie, so go fuck yourself and suck on a lolipop dick in a corner when this movie comes out, as i will be at the movie theatre. Poser!
Re: Sithdan and the topic of skin bleaching. by Gwai Lo	Mar 31st, 2008 02:49:16 PM
You don't even know how they're going to handle the Joker's makeup/origin/or anything in this film yet. For all you know, LedgerJoker could be using toxic industrial paint for his face makeup that ends up bleaching him by the end of the film. The whole falling in the vat of acid thing comes from The Killing Joke, and in that book it is the Joker telling his own origin story, so its entirely subjective. He could be making the whole thing up. Besides, we've already seen that origin in Burton's version. I remember a Nolan quote where he said something to the effect of the Joker being an absolute in this film, and that we wouldn't be seeing an origin or an arc. Personally, the clips of Ledger as the Joker I have seen look phenomenal, so in my opinion complaining that his skin isn't bleached is about as banal as complaining about the organic web shooters in the first Spider-man. Why don't you worry about stuff like story, character, direction, performance, and the technical aspects instead? Oh wait, because that would leave you with nothing to complain about.
Heath you will be missed!! by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Mar 31st, 2008 02:51:04 PM
By the way did you guys hear that Heath's maid was actually the one who ordered the masseuse for him. When the masseuse showed up the maid said she called because Heath was lookin' a little stiff. DA DA DUMMM.
Bleached skin is meaningless by TheLastCleric	Mar 31st, 2008 02:56:36 PM
Anybody who knows a single fucking thing about the character knows that the makeup and the look of the Joker is almost incidental and merely compliments the sheer insanity of the character, something Heath looks to be channeling in his portrayal. The aspect of the Joker that matters most is his insanity, mingled with his penchant for chaos, and how that is presented through the conduit of an actor. I can already discern that Heath has nailed the role in a way nobody else has even approached based on what I’ve seen and heard thus far. If a bit of bleached skin is the most important aspect of the Joker to you personally, go whack off to the ‘89 version of Batman since some of you know fuck all about the character anyway.
DANNYGLOVERS!!!! by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 02:56:57 PM
Fucking great joke!
Braffed by TheLastCleric	Mar 31st, 2008 03:01:13 PM
You have shit taste so go watch some reality TV and leave the grown ups alone.
His makeup is TERRIBLE by Sithdan	Mar 31st, 2008 03:02:51 PM
 Honestly, from the looks of it, my 6-year-old nephew could have done a better job finger painting the Joker's makeup in this movie. It looks like it's been literally just smeared on. The meticulous Joker makeup presented in Tim Burton's 1989 masterpiece featured not only the red lips and white skin, but the twisted grin as well. At least some effort went into the Joker's iconic appearance. Ledger looks like a disgruntled teenager who's pissed off at his parents for not letting him go to the ICP concert.
Sithdan by Darth Kong	Mar 31st, 2008 03:08:43 PM
You're an idiot.
Sithdan by Gwai Lo	Mar 31st, 2008 03:12:03 PM
Part of the point is that it's smeared on. The Joker shouldn't be qualified to work at a cosmetics counter, he's a batshit crazy clown. The iconic appearance is intact, I see green hair, white skin, black eyes, a red smile, and a purple suit. But if I see Nolan I'll let him know your nephew is looking for work.
Sitdan.... by qtipsq	Mar 31st, 2008 03:12:42 PM
Well Sithdan, there you go again. I don't think insane people are that careful about meticulous makeup, as they are insane, Noland just recognized this attribute. So yes he looks fucking crazy, but that is the point! You know what you have probably never read an entire Batman Comic book, as of right now you are just happy for the attention about your retarded remarks.
Darth Kong by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Mar 31st, 2008 03:13:06 PM
When you walked in on your mom in the shower-- was her pussy hairy?
Gwai Lo by Sithdan	Mar 31st, 2008 03:15:10 PM
Why do you like to defend mediocrity? His makeup is shit. Nothing will change my mind about that.
The comics by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Mar 31st, 2008 03:15:22 PM
I love how so many people drop the line, "You have probably never ever read a Batman comic." WHO GIVES A FUCK?!! We're talking about the film-- what looks cool and works in the film world. Fuck the comic. And I have read some of the comics, and in all honesty Batman comics sucked until the mid 90's when they finally grew some fucking balls.
At least it wasn't a tombstone... by kirttrik	Mar 31st, 2008 03:17:10 PM
...that would be creepy.
Sithdan by Gwai Lo	Mar 31st, 2008 03:20:50 PM
If I was defending mediocrity then I'd probably be trying to defend you.
Sithdan by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	Mar 31st, 2008 03:25:55 PM
Actions not appearance are what make the Joker. You know jack squat about the character evidently.
lol "makeup looks messy" by Shigeru	Mar 31st, 2008 03:33:16 PM
that's the point, tard
lastCleric by Braffed	Mar 31st, 2008 03:55:45 PM
thanks for the constructive feeedback. You present a valid opinion and i respect your candor. Now go shove a pickle in your chocolate dungeon..
Gwai Lo by MattmanReturns	Mar 31st, 2008 04:19:29 PM
"If I was defending mediocrity then I'd probably be trying to defend you." That was genius.
April, Fools by IForgotAbout19	Mar 31st, 2008 04:25:33 PM
"I'm not dead, Turkeys"
What if Heath..... by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Mar 31st, 2008 04:37:03 PM
....dropped a brand new video online with him in his lair in Joker makeup for April Fools and says all is well the jokes on you mutha' fuckas!!!
Move the release date up!!!! by namasteandgoodluck	Mar 31st, 2008 04:40:54 PM
This movie has had way too much "viral" marketing already (playing cards left on club floors, clever web sites); while it may be clever it's hardly innovative. The posters have been up for months now, the trailers as well. How much more low key viral marketing is necessary? Either put a real bat signal in every major metropolitan area and have someone drive around in a replica batmobile or stop with the half assed marketing and release the film early. just my 2 cents.
Heath Ledger would WANT this movie to be released! by Ribbons	Mar 31st, 2008 04:41:18 PM
...and for me to see it three times! And to buy a large popcorn with Junior Mints and a Diet Coke...
Re: Driving around for real in the Batmobile by Gwai Lo	Mar 31st, 2008 05:09:25 PM
I remember when Begins came out there was some news blurb about Christian Bale taking the Tumbler for a spin in (Toronto?), apparently some old man had a heart attack when he saw it. I googled this and couldn't find any evidence that it really happened so it's possible it was a dream I had after eating bad tacos.
Speaking of dead people.... by dauphin534	Mar 31st, 2008 05:32:45 PM
i have a vague memory of someone dying in an accident on the set of the Dark Knight. A construction worker or stunt guy or special effects guy. What about that guy?! He actually died making the movie! SHould WB not market or release the movie out of respect to him and his family?
Hey, Sithdan by quadfather09	Mar 31st, 2008 05:40:36 PM
What is it like to be a complete fucking retard. I'm surprised you even know how to breath. Now go away for a little while and let the grown up talks. And DannyGlover, that isn't funny at all. That might be the most disrespectful thing I have ever heard of someone who has passed on. Yes, he was no more important than any other human being, but have some fucking decency.
Damn it. . . I missed the question mark. Also SithDan's fault. T by quadfather09	Mar 31st, 2008 05:42:04 PM

And t stands for talk to you later. Peace out. by quadfather09	Mar 31st, 2008 05:42:34 PM

I Bet The Joker Enjoys Himself An April Fools Joke Or Two by LaserPants	Mar 31st, 2008 05:43:35 PM
Just a feeling.
I wonder where Sithdan saw the complete movie? by IAmJack'sUserID	Mar 31st, 2008 06:04:07 PM
I mean he talks with such a definitive tone. Methinks he saw the movie at the bottom of a bottle of whiskey or from a loss of oxygen as a result of being rammed into a pillow.
The greatest/worst April Fools Joke ever! by ruven76	Mar 31st, 2008 06:12:46 PM
Would be Heath Ledger faking his death... (let the hate posts commence)
You're right Sithdan by MattmanReturns	Mar 31st, 2008 06:36:01 PM
The makeup looks like shit. Which is exactly how it's supposed to look, genius. As much as I love Nicholson's Joker, would a real life Joker have PERFECT white skin and ruby lips from acid burn? No. Nolan's trying to achieve realism, which I,, along with the majority of the world, very much appreciate. But, by all means, continue making a complete ass out of yourself by complaining about the makeup.
Bring back the "Why so serious"? by Sulla	Mar 31st, 2008 06:40:23 PM
'nuf said.
Damnit, it's already April 1st in the UK... by henrydalton	Mar 31st, 2008 06:57:27 PM
And I wanna see what this is!
And yes. by henrydalton	Mar 31st, 2008 06:59:44 PM
If Ledger turned up on April Fools Day it would officially be the single greatest prank in history. Oh well. RIP man.
SAVE SOME FOOTAGE/SURPRISES FOR THE FILM!! by wilsonfisk89	Mar 31st, 2008 07:18:27 PM
And dont give it all away. This is coming from a huge Batman geek who wants to be surprised by the images I see!
Bring back the "What, me worry"? by ironic_name	Mar 31st, 2008 07:26:00 PM
'nuf said.
I love to see realism in a comic book movie by leobloom	Mar 31st, 2008 07:41:06 PM
because you know the real world has so many comic book heroes. Makes total sense.
The moral posturing here is kinda funny... by Ribbons	Mar 31st, 2008 08:28:08 PM
Technically I'm in the corner of the people who think Nolan's Joker design looks cool and that a superhero film doesn't have to be completely faithful to its source material (and sometimes shouldn't be) in order to be good. But in a TalkBack where people are arguing about what to do about a film that someone dies either making (crew members) or shortly after (Heath Ledger), calling Sithdan "an ass" for ranting about make-up seems a little absurd. I would have gone with froot loop, or perhaps wingnut. *** I also hope the irony of people accusing him of "judging the movie before it comes out" isn't lost on anybody else.
Sithdan boths gets and misses the point by Captain Justice	Mar 31st, 2008 08:55:02 PM
you have to give credit to true unapologetic idiocy. Remember...a retard doesn't know he's retarded. He has nothing to compare to. The makeup is dead on right. The way it always should have been. oh this will undoubtedly lead to a puzzle. If they're maintaining the previous motif.
Do they really need to...? by lowmankind	Mar 31st, 2008 09:16:38 PM
I mean, everyone's gonna watch this film anyway, and I have a sinking feeling that the audience will triple since it's "Heath Ledger's last movie". So, if it is yet another trailer for Dark Knight, isn't a bit redundant? It's sort of like Bart Simpson with the Itchy & Scratchy ticket, except I'm old enough not to have my Dad ban me from watching the movie... (my mom says I'm cool! lol)
SithDan by malificus	Mar 31st, 2008 09:28:38 PM
Tim Burton's 1989 cough-sput-(spews drink in a violent burst)MASTERPIECE?? Ha-ha! YOU are the REAL Joker SithDan, you just slay me! MASTERPIECE? Dude, go directly to your nearest dictionary and look that word up then come back here and just TRY and show your face! Here's an even better idea:Once The Dark Knight comes out on DVD watch that first, then immediately after just TRY and watch Burton's Batman, I guarantee you'll never make it halfway through Burton's inferior mess.
prolly april fools by Stengah	Mar 31st, 2008 10:11:14 PM

Hello? by Herb West	Mar 31st, 2008 10:25:30 PM
Is anyone there?
1989 Batman by waldo	Mar 31st, 2008 10:26:58 PM
Saw it in theaters when it first came out. It instantly became my favorite movie. I watched it again a couple of weeks ago and MAN,it has not aged well! Pretty to look at, GREAT score, Nicholson is fun but wwaayyy over the top, even for the Joker! So far Ledger is looking good.
Yeah by Herb West	Mar 31st, 2008 10:31:36 PM
i get the feeling that if someone did watch The Dark Knight and then watched Burton's Batman, it would be kind of like watching The Empire Strikes Back and then the Phantom Menace. It would probably be ridiculous.
Tim Burton's Batman sucks, it just fucking sucks by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2008 10:50:35 PM
The ONLY thing cool about it is the soundtrack. The foley editing, lighting, editing, cinematography all looks like shit now. The acting left much to be desired as did the casting. Michael Keaton, I mean really a 5'9" curly haired comedian? Cripes
Oh and Sithdan is a fucking donkey raping shit eater by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 31st, 2008 10:51:24 PM

Ode To The Joker by Herb West	Mar 31st, 2008 10:52:03 PM
Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moonlight? http://tinyurl.com/yslcna
Burton's 2 Batman flicks were excellent. by Piltdown Joey	Mar 31st, 2008 11:01:49 PM
Great art design. Best Batmobile to date. Great music. Good story. Surreal as all get out. Jack Nicholson sucked. Keaton was surprisingly good in them. DeVito was wonderful. Pfeiffer was great. The penguins were a bit over the top, I admit, but I digged them. They'll be judged well as time goes on.
It's 12:01 a.m....what's the suitcase doin? Nothin! by Piltdown Joey	Mar 31st, 2008 11:03:37 PM

BATMAN 89 MUST'VE BEEN PRETTY GREAT BACK IN 89 by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:06:26 PM
Can't find the Batdance anywhere on Youtube but that's something Nolan wishes he had for TDK.
BATMAN 89 was great bat guano. by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2008 11:08:28 PM
Seriously. "I just want to know, are we gonna try to love each other?" 'Nuff said. Those earlier Batman films suffered under Burton's goth-camp and they went downhill from there. Thank goodness for the 180 degree turnaround via Nolan and Bale. It may not cater to everyone's favorite details (and quite frankly, there are too many to care), but at least they're striving for a legitimate weight with the character.
Penguins with rockets?! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2008 11:09:04 PM
BOOOOO!!!
Anyone check out Superhero Hype? by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	Mar 31st, 2008 11:12:17 PM

BEFORE BURTON CAME ALONG, ALL YOU HAD WAS ADAM WEST by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:19:28 PM
Let's keep it in perspective here. Would you prefer the Batusi over the Batdance?
a ahole's thoughts on Batman movies... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 31st, 2008 11:27:41 PM
...Batman was meh...me love Joker but it wasnt the greatest adaption of the guy...B Returns was great...great scenes wit Bruce and Selina and very touchin...B Forever, Ill forgive it...B & Robin...to kiddie even for a kiddie aged Ahole Ramirez (at that time)...and B Begins...great story and everythin...just the fightin sucked...B Phantasm...3rd best Batman movie ever and that song at the end by Tia Carere was real good...Return of the Joker, very very good, but not a true Batman story but a true Joker story...so wit Dark Knight, my expectations are very high...
Didn't like Burton's vision of Batman by AntoniusBloc	Mar 31st, 2008 11:27:52 PM
he seemed to care more about the villains. But Keaton played a great Batman, Bale pretty much plays him the same in the costume.
Batusi > Batdance by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2008 11:31:27 PM
Adam West Batman > Burton's Batman These are the Laws of the Batman Universe.
WTF IS THAT SITE ON PACIFIC TIME? by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:34:12 PM
It's 4-01 already.
"I wonder where Sithdan saw the complete movie?" by IAmJack'sUse by instruction	Mar 31st, 2008 11:35:22 PM
"I mean he talks with such a definitive tone." That "definitive tone" is BLATANTLY and I mean BLATANTLY coming from every person saying this movie is going to be good and Ledger/Nolan nailed it and this movie will do no wrong before even SEEING IT! Now I don't see you calling out them, but you call out sithdan or danny glover or who else says it might not be the be-all. That's fuckin' hypocrisy outright. These idiots who haven't fuckin' seen the movie can't proclaim something with their BLATANT "definitive tones" any more than anyone else can. It's bullshit that they can and if you think so you're wrong. My tone "definitive" enough for ya?
The Sithdan hate by RedGobbbo	Mar 31st, 2008 11:35:41 PM
I understand it but it will never touch the raw hatred that MOVIEMACK inspired. Reading a Batman talkback without Mack's venom just isn't the same. Come back,mack.
I liked Gordon in Batman 89 by RedGobbbo	Mar 31st, 2008 11:37:24 PM
He was crap and Gough was a crap Alfred. Caine is okay but John Cleese is Alfred.
OKAY I RESPECT THE BATUSI TOO by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:38:04 PM
But this hate for Burton's Batman is senseless given that back in 89, Batman must've been a joke outside the comic book world. Burton revamped Batman for the mainstream. It was Schumacher who killed Batman, though I have to admit watching Clooney talking to a weeping Schwartzeneggar is a great moment.
RedGobbbo by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 31st, 2008 11:39:15 PM
Oh, the Mack is still around. He rides under the name, "I am Batman" now. How appropriate.
DID SITHDAN MOLEST A CAT OR SOMETHING? by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:40:05 PM
Why the hate for this guy?
I am Batman by RedGobbbo	Mar 31st, 2008 11:40:32 PM
Thanks Gaius ;)
MattmanReturns by instruction	Mar 31st, 2008 11:40:34 PM
"a real life Joker"??? Would a man dress up as a fucking BAT, AFTER getting his parents killed? A "real life Joker" wouldn't exist, no more than some millionaire fighting crime and protecting the poor. It's fuckign BATMAN. And that first movie, Begins, was FAR from realistic with it's horrible dialogue and shitty attempts at humor. That was the the main thing I found so hideous: they shoved that "realism" down your throat in all the promos and docs yet had blatantly bad and poorly delivered lines. Realism my fuckin' ass. Microwave fuckin' emitter, nigga please.
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE OPEN THAT DAMNED SUITCASE by BringingSexyBack	Mar 31st, 2008 11:41:07 PM
I need to sleep soon.
Bale... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 31st, 2008 11:48:07 PM
...while Bale looked like Bruce and Batman like hell...HIS VOICE (as Bat) WAS TERRIBLE!...whoever said that they need Conroy as the voice was dead on...and another thing bout Bale, his nose is crooked or somethin...very distractin...
Instruction by MattmanReturns	Mar 31st, 2008 11:52:25 PM
Forgive me. It should have been more like Batman and Robin, since there's no way in reality a man could ever dress up like a bat. Gotcha. I never said that everything in the movie was completely realistic. My point was that it attempted a sense of realism. It's much easier to suspend disbelief watching Batman Begin than it is ANY other Batman movie. So it would be stupid to have a cleancut Joker with completely, perfectly bleached skin and ruby lips. And get the fuck out of my face with that "nigga please" bullshit.
What I get for being an artist by Megalomatthew	Mar 31st, 2008 11:57:38 PM
Flawed perspective. on stickers. driving me crazy!
Sithdan doesn't molest cats, Docpazuzu on the otherhand by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	Mar 31st, 2008 11:59:22 PM

We all will know come 7-18-08 by QuiGonnJin&Tonic	Apr 1st, 2008 12:03:34 AM

WHAT'S ON 7-18-08? by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:09:58 AM
Is that the TDK release date? I don't pay attention, I just go when the sign is up at the theater.
3pm is when the fun will begin... by Thundercats73	Apr 1st, 2008 12:16:10 AM
It's on ibelieveinharveydent.com
The problems with Burton's Batmans by Gwai Lo	Apr 1st, 2008 12:21:55 AM
Almost everyone acknowledges that Schumacher's films were garbage, although some people still try and defend Batman Forever for some unknown reason. But there is a lot of contention over Burton's Batman films. I'm not a huge Burton fan. I think even with his best films he has a tendency to coast on art direction, and for those that like real movie magic with lots of pretty colors and big stylistic flourishes he's probably the cat's pajamas. For my money Ed Wood is his only truly great film, and it owes part of its success to the fact that he was able to reign in his stylistic excesses for once. But I digress, back to his Batman films. The original Batman film was good for it's day, and there's no doubt that it did a lot to repair the image of a silly Batman fostered by the Adam West incarnation. But for those that haven't seen it in a while, watch it again and try and remain objective. These are not the characters, and I can't imagine anyone arguing otherwise. Let's look at Batman first of all. Making Jack Napier the murderer of Wayne's parents isn't just a minor change that provides narrative cohesion, it completely alters who Batman is as a character. Batman's quest becomes about revenge, rather than justice. Batman Begins does it right: Joe Chill kills Wayne's parents, Joe Chill dies before Bruce can get revenge, Bruce must channel his issues into a general quest for justice. If the Joker kills the Waynes, then Batman's quest ends when Batman drops him off the top of that building. This is one of many instances in the Burton films where Batman kills people (he also drops a thug to his death and shields up in the Batmobile while he blows up a bunch of henchmen.) Michael Keaton plays Bruce Wayne as an aloof, awkward weirdo, nevermind that physically he looks nothing like the character should. Hanging upside down to sleep? Bruce Wayne doesn't think he's a bat. By the time we got to Batman Returns, Burton was clearly bored with the character and gave most of the screen time to the three primary villains. For those that complained about the action in Begins, I'll take shaky cam over Batman programming his batarang to take out a bunch of guys cartoon style, and only making big wide turns in the unweildy Batmobile because he grappling hooks to buildings with it. I'd rather see the Tumbler ripping around Gotham like a believable urban tank than Batman getting his Batplane shot down with a pistol. I was going to thoroughly go through the other characters as well to explain why they miss the mark, but I sense this post is already getting long. Burton made some enjoyable movies, but Nolan took the characters seriously, paid more respect to the source material and ended up making a far better film in the process. Sure, there are flaws, but I don't understand how people who champion Burton's version can look past the much more glaring flaws in his movies. Entertaining films? If I'm in the right mood and feeling nostalgic, yes. A proper depiction of Batman? Not by a long shot, now that one actually exists.
DON'T SITHDAN ME BUT I THOUGHT MARS ATTACKS IS PRETTY GREAT by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:24:01 AM
I never got the Burton = Bay memo.
3PM?! by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:27:33 AM
I drank coffee for nothing?
DONT SITHDAN ME by RedGobbbo	Apr 1st, 2008 12:33:16 AM
hahaha-anyways-I'm no "insider" type fella but I bet the whatever its gonna be wont be released till 8pm est. Go to bed if you're waiting for it. And also GwaiLo is completely correct.
re: Gwai Lo by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 1st, 2008 12:33:45 AM
...everythin u said makes sense, especially the hangin upside down sleep part...when I saw it as a kid, I swore I thought Batman was a vamp (thanks to Lost Boys)...but what bout Batman Returns? I feel like Bruce and Selina was done accurately...
THE BATPLANE GETTING SHOT DOWN by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:34:49 AM
was really weak. I give you that. And I did like Batman and Robin. But really it was for Alicia Silverstone. Nipples on Batgirl!
A real life Joker seems almost more plausible than a Batman... by -=Shin=-	Apr 1st, 2008 12:42:08 AM
John Wayne Gacy was dubbed the Killer Clown. Granted, he wasn't out killing in the clown suit, but it's disturbing enough to know that he liked to entertain children as 'Pogo The Clown' during the same period he was on his killing spree.
Gwai Lo by Mr. Nice Gaius	Apr 1st, 2008 12:43:43 AM
Right on.
I agree with Gwai Lo - And Mars Attacks was great ;) by -=Shin=-	Apr 1st, 2008 12:49:22 AM
...And I'm going to get shot for this, but I often get tired of Tim Burton's design style. After so many years of his movies in different genres, a lot of it still looks the same to me. I know there are exceptions, but I just don't see his palette change in the sense of exploring something different. At least Willy Wonka wasn't black and white with a bit of red.
A BAT-THEMED MASKED CRUSADER IS MORE PLAUSIBLE THAN BUSH by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:49:35 AM
in a codpiece-stuffed flight suit declaring himself a hero. That's fo sho.
HAS ANYTHING BEEN DISCUSSED ABOUT WHO PLAYS RIDDLER? by BringingSexyBack	Apr 1st, 2008 12:54:06 AM
Cuz that's got to be the next movie.
Amen, BringingSexyBack, Amen. by -=Shin=-	Apr 1st, 2008 12:55:55 AM
...And I should point out I love Batman in just about any form.
BRANEROBOT might be the stupidest person alive... by starwarrior	Apr 1st, 2008 01:04:09 AM
Hmmm Ledger died. Oh well... Let's just not release the movie with him in it that just cost us $200 million...
This movie has a creepy stigma over it now by Orionsangels	Apr 1st, 2008 01:06:12 AM

Batman is real folks... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 1st, 2008 01:06:37 AM
...u dont remember he was on that Parliment buildin in England a few years back?...sure he probably cant beat up the weakest of the weak henchmen, but he had the suit on...
Selina was NOT right in Batman Returns by MattmanReturns	Apr 1st, 2008 01:08:39 AM
Michelle is a great actress, and Catwoman was a showstealer in Batman Returns, but that was not the comic book Catwoman. Selina Kyle is a decadent, fun-loving Italian femme who likes to lounge around in expensive lingerie. She's not an insane blonde who began as a mousy secretary. And the whole nine-lives thing was retarded.
Something big IS happening at 3 ! by ConsiderMeMilesDavie	Apr 1st, 2008 01:09:24 AM
IBelieveInHarveyDent.com Look at the "three" paragraphs on the bottom right. Each paragraph mentions the number three. Paragraph one: "Wilecotten III". Paragraph two: "3rd Grader" Paragraph three: "third grader" and "three years".
re: mattman by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 1st, 2008 01:21:08 AM
...now, Selina wasnt a good adaption, I feel that the relationship between her and Bruce (Batman/Catwoman) was accurate enough...
From an inside source... by ConsiderMeMilesDavie	Apr 1st, 2008 01:22:23 AM
It will be revealed Batman has THREE balls, technically making him a superhero.
It's 3 AM!!!! by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 02:00:16 AM

Is this the new travel agency started by the actor who played Ca by BNITT	Apr 1st, 2008 02:18:58 AM
Just wondering....havent seen him in anything since and heard he needed a job.
The only thing shitty about 89 Batman by Harry Bolzonnia	Apr 1st, 2008 02:31:26 AM
Was the script, everything else fucking rocked. I for one think begins is better, but no batman movie will ever be as stylistic and iconic as Burton'a original Batman.
Gotham Knight by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 02:54:54 AM
Killing people is not heroic. This is not what defines Batman as a hero.
Batman is not a killer. by Gwai Lo	Apr 1st, 2008 03:20:30 AM
Aside from a brief period in the 40's, Batman has never killed the bad guys. He needs to have a moral code to walk that thin line as a vigilante. That's why he always rounds up the villains and brings them to Arkham, even though they'll inevitably get out and cause more havoc. Batman could have spared Gotham a lot of grief by doing exactly what he did in Batman 89, killing the Joker. But he doesn't, because that would make him no better than the freaks he brings to justice. This notion is the core of his character, to fuck with it is to completely change who he is.
And thats why Burtons Batman isn't a Fag by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 03:43:57 AM
That and he fucked Vicky Vale. And You actually believed that he was Crazy as Bruce Wayne. Bats 89 ignored the comics and I say thank god! You all seem to forget how campy Bats was in the casual fans eye, and how much this film changed that. Miller's bat is now up for his time in the sun.
Gwai Lo by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 03:47:08 AM
Spot on bro. Killing the bad guys would be the easy solution. It's because batman does that right thing in choosing the most difficult path that makes him a hero.
you can't fear a threat that allows you to live by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 03:50:14 AM
Lets face it incarceration ain't all that bad these days. How's getting nabbed and sent too an insane asylum scary for a guy who rapes and murders. Batman is flawed in the comics.
Oh no... That born into money and power by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 03:55:02 AM
closeted homo who likes to play dress up caught me raping, killing, and stealing again.... but I'm nuts so it's off to the loony bin for me. I'll be back ahahahahaha. Yeah see thats why they keep committing new crimes cause batman's method doesn't work and it doesn't solve the problem. Killing is the only way no matter how poetic they make the other way sound.
Well, yeah. by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 04:01:07 AM
The comics may be flawed. they are comics after all. But that's not what were talking about. I was commenting on gotham_night's statement that batman killing the bad guys makes him a hero. It doesn't. He isn't a killer.
An All-Encompassing Trailer? For A Change? by Thy_Kingdom_Come	Apr 1st, 2008 04:11:32 AM
The first two trailers were spectacular. The first trailer set the precedent for what a kick ass trailer should be minus any actual footage being shown. The second trailer was a great introduction to Ledger's portrayal of the Joker, though it was merely a hint of things to come. But it's been long overdue time for an all-encompassing trailer that actually involves EVERYONE more. For one thing, it doesn't seem like, aside from showing her on screen, Nolan has any confidence in Maggie Gyllenhaal's performance- hence the fact that no actual dialogue was uttered by her in the second trailer. Also, what's with the half-second glimpse of Eckhart as Dent? Almost 75% of the viral marketing for The Dark Knight has revolved around Dent's campaign to become the District Attorney for Gotham City, yet he was almost nowhere to be seen in the second trailer. The only significant dialogue uttered by ANYONE in the trailer aside from Ledger's Joker, Bale's Batman, and Caine's Alfred, was one brief line by Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman as Commissioner Gordon and Lucius Fox respectively. I hope the third trailer has a more all-encompassing feel to it for the sole reason that there are other characters in The Dark Knight aside from The Joker and Batman that need to be (and more than likely will be, knowing Nolan) fleshed out in the film. Aside from the aforementioned gripes, the first two trailers were spectacular, the third one will probably be that much better, and the film will own 2008. Because nothing has come before it thus far that could light a candle to it, and NOTHING is going to be released in its wake that will even compare. And on another note, in 2009, who watches the watchmen?
Trailer opionion. by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 04:26:59 AM
I like that WB and Nolan only show what they want to show us. I think the movie will take us in a direction that we've not seen in the trailers. Chris Nolan has already stated that the Joker is not going to be the main protagonist in this movie. He is a powerfull element, but I can't help but feel that there is going to be so much more to this flick that Batman vs Joker. We already know that two-face only comes in at the end of the movie. So what's the deal? The trailers give us very littl in the way of plot detail, and I'm hoping that it stays that way.
And I can't spell by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 04:27:40 AM
"opinion" for toffee...
Oh and Kingdom Come by batmans_pants	Apr 1st, 2008 04:29:03 AM
I shall be watching the watchmen. Really hyped about it. What do you think of what you've seen so far?
Also, on the subject of Batman "killing" by Thy_Kingdom_Come	Apr 1st, 2008 04:33:22 AM
Anyone that cites Tim Burton's 1989 "Batman" as a point of reference when discussing Batman's moral code is a complete moron. Why? Because Tim Burton openly admitted after making the movie that he wanted NOTHING to do with the comics/source material. The man is an overgrown goth-child who was obsessed with the dark nature of Batman and how he could utilize said nature to make a buck and relate to his own "tortured" childhood. Burton didn't care for the fact that JOE CHILL killed Bruce Wayne's parent's- NOT THE JOKER/Jack Napier (the idiotic real name that soooooooooo many people I know still associate with the Joker, though the comics never really ever gave him a full real name to begin with. coughKILLINGJOKEcough). Nor did he care to actually explore the Red Hood angle with the creation of the Joker. Instead he used Jack Palace to sell "Jack Napier" out to the cops, which was so inaccurate it still agitates the crap out of me to this day. Just a couple of the many outrageous inaccuracies that Burton didn't give a damn to avoid. Burton's 1989 film was a popcorn flick and a visual feast at best, AT THE TIME. It had an absolutely beautiful soundtrack (Prince music aside). I liked it as a kid before I seriously started reading Batman, Detective Comics, and every other bat-associated title (i.e. Legends of the Dark Knight, Robin, and Nightwing). After I started paying attention to the aforementioned source material I realized just how badly Burton took a shit on what Batman truly stood for. Batman does not kill... PERIOD. Last I checked, the Joker's STILL ALIVE. Oswald Cobblepot/The Penguin is still alive and running his Iceberg lounge. Selina Kyle/Catwoman is spending her dear sweet time trying to get off the hell world in Salvation Run. The Riddler isn't in ARKHAM flapping straight-jacket wings, he's an honest detective. Two-Face is, well, back to being good old Two-Face. Heck he's been gone since the "One-Year Later" story for some time now. Poison Ivy is still retarded (not literally, she's just a terrible villain who no one should pay attention to). Bane is on the same hell planet in Salvation Run with Catwoman and needs to return to his state of awesomeness as was conveyed in and before Knightfall. And Mr. Freeze is there with them both I believe. Or in Gotham killing people because now that Nora's gone he's got nothing left. The point of the above movie/comic references is that neither Burton nor Schumaker got it right. They didn't give a damn for the source material, hence the fact that they are not attached to the property that is Batman anymore. If Nolan sticks with the franchise until the end of the third film like he has planned to, this will be the first director in the history of the Batman movie franchise to actually stay for more than two films as well as make more than ONE successful film. And surprisingly enough, Nolan will have done so by being at least SOMEWHAT faithful to the source material which real Batman fans covet daily. That's my two cents. The Dark Knight's going to own by the way. And to hell with Burton and Schumaker's versions of The Bat. They just wanted to make a quick buck. Cite them as a point of reference for anything Batman and prepare to have your ass handed to you. 'Nuff said.
you don't get an artist by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 04:44:22 AM
We make like the aspect of something, but as an artist we may need to change it around too enjoy it. Burton didn't make bats to make a buck. He could have made the same story sans the name batman. He did ti cause he saw something in the symbol, and he being a true artist took what he wanted from the symbol and made it his own. Instead of walking in the footprints of the source material. You people get more cynical as time passes. You have no idea how big that film was to us 13 and under's- back when it came out. It was the beginning of all this serious superhero film shit, and it was dark for it's day.
I mean "We may like the aspect" by ThePilgrim	Apr 1st, 2008 04:44:56 AM

batmans_pants, re: Watchmen by Thy_Kingdom_Come	Apr 1st, 2008 04:48:00 AM
The preview images, especially on Superherohype.com which shows Rorschach dealing with a cop that he set on fire (I believe), are very convincing. Well, aside from Ozymandias who looks like a complete ass, but that's because his nipple-suit takes me back to Schumacher's Batman and Robin and, well, that should be enough to make ANYONE cringe. Watchmen could easily own 2009 after The Dark Knight owns 2008. It all depends on whether or not Zach Snyder decides to make another addition to the original storyline (like he did with 300 where he added the idiotic corrupt politician back at home just to give Lena Headey some more dialogue where NONE was needed to make 300 a more vagina-friendly film). Because screwing up V For Vendetta, From Hell, The League of Extraordinary Gentleman, and Swamp Thing was one thing, for the respective directors/writers of those film-adaptations. Watchmen is considered by many to be the holy grail of graphic novels. If Snyder muffs this one by adding some useless side story like he did in 300 or decides to go with his own personal interpretation, then the movie is doomed just like Alan Moore has more than likely ALREADY predicted since he believes that none of his works can be done justice. Sadly, Moore just might be right if Watchmen gets screwed up royally. Who knows...
They keep comitting crimes on the streets because it's comics... by -=Shin=-	Apr 1st, 2008 04:59:16 AM
I think that saying killing is the only way to handle the loons of Gotham because they keep escaping is ignoring the conventions of selling a monthly comic and telling stories within that framework. John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and their like didn't break out of prison on a monthly basis - and they were pretty twisted. The reason Joker, Riddler and those cats keep escaping is to tell stories. If we were telling the story more realistically, The Joker, just like other serial killers, would have been locked up so tight, and sedated so heavily, we'd never see him except on a sixty minutes special. That, or he'd somehow be found to be sane enough to go to trial and presumbly excuted after a hell of a long prison term. Either way, he wouldn't be on the streets again, so killing him to prevent his 'comic escapes' every month would be unnecessary. The writer is god in a comic and sort of fudges those details and we're meant to ignore them in favor of enjoying the story. To keep the stories flowing, the 'looney bin' has to be pathetic enough so there are villains for Batman to fight. --It would make sense for Bruce Wayne to build a state of the art prison/mental health facility, donate it to the city, and attract top staff with an extra stipend he would provide. --But that will never happen, because where would the bad guys (and stories) come from...?
ThePilgrim, re: comic book fans being cynics by Thy_Kingdom_Come	Apr 1st, 2008 05:01:38 AM
Sorry buddy, but we're not all cynics. I was 6 years old when Burton's film came out and I was left in awe. I saw the film numerous times in theaters and I even own it on dvd. Why I look back on it now and KNOW, not think, KNOW that Burton purposely shit on the source material is because he's been quoted as saying so himself. Look it up. Kevin Smith (a really bad ass actor/director) handed Burton's ass to him for that very reason if you didn't already know. The entertainment value of the 1989 film still stands, I'll grant you THAT much. But as a long-time fan of Batman and the DCU in general, aside from simple mindless entertainment and a general appeal to depressed poser goth kids EVERYWHERE, Burton's '89 film is a plot-hole ridden, utter piece of crap that shit on the very memory of what Bill Finger and Bob Kane created. "He saw something in the symbol." Yeah, I'm fairly certain that I know what Burton "saw" too. He saw his own depressed childhood/teen goth years when he sat in a corner brooding and decided that Batman would be his onscreen return to the good old days. Cynical my ass. It's the reason why, when people look back twenty years from now, they'll remember and praise Christopher Nolan's Batman Begins and it's subsequent sequels and won't have the foggiest memory as to the crap factories that Burton and Schumacher were responsible for.
I'm sorry, but the whole "artist" thing is a cop-out by Gwai Lo	Apr 1st, 2008 05:04:26 AM
It's 3 in the morning and I'm about to go to bed so I'll make this brief, but hundreds of artists have given their interpretations of Batman without changing who he is. Just because Burton is a filmmaker and not a comic writer doesn't give him any special license to do what he wants with an established property. (Yes, I realize film adaptations need to differ from print to work, I am talking about core changes to character) Frank Miller's Batman will kick the everloving shit out of someone, but he won't kill them. Burton has admitted he didn't even bother to read any of the comics, which is a great disservice to the character. If he was really worth his salt as an artist he would be able to bring the same level of artistry to a faithful adaptation, rather than making pointless changes to satisfy his need to put his authorial stamp on the thing. This goes for Sam Hamm as well, who wrote the script.
In fact, a lot more fingers should point at Sam Hamm by Gwai Lo	Apr 1st, 2008 05:10:11 AM
He's the one that wrote a Batman that doesn't have much to do with the comics. Burton deserves shit for not reading any of the comics and keeping the writer in check, but if anyone has read Hamm's Watchmen script it's easy to see that the guy has no respect for whatever he's adapting.
BATMAN Should Kill, And Torture, And Other Mean Things by LaserPants	Apr 1st, 2008 05:46:51 AM
I think Batman rocks. He's cool, he's spooky, he's badass, he's nuts. That being said, given that he's this dark figure of vengence, he SHOULD go to the darkside in extremely hardcore ways -- he should kill, torture, maim, and all manner of other insanity. I know that he won't, but I think he should. Its the one thing that always bugged me about him. Oh, okay, that, and the fact that he hangs out with a 14 year old acrobat in green speedoes.
Gyllenhaal is Spidey!!yeah!Raimi maybe out!yeah! by pipergates	Apr 1st, 2008 06:15:37 AM
fantastic news! and Dunst out too! Respect for Toby and Dunst, but they both look too goofy and bland for those roles. Hope they go the Batman Begins way of rebooting the franchise,getting rid of the silliness and soap opera elements. And maybe have a Green Goblin that looks like he's supposed to?
All this Burton bashing, why has no one mentioned ... by lowmankind	Apr 1st, 2008 06:50:14 AM
Joel Schumacher? I mean, if you wanna talk about the greatest arse-nuggets in the Batman canon, you can't go past Batman Forever and Batman and Robin... Burton's films have aged, sure... but take a look at Jurassic Park or Waynes World... same story... things just look different after 15 or 20 years... I know that mentioning Schumacher's Bat-films is like the love-that-dare-not-speak-its-n ame in a satanic church with Michael Bay having a smoke on the side, but let's have some perspective people!
Spider-Man - soap opera..... by RighteousBrother	Apr 1st, 2008 06:53:00 AM
the soap opera elements of Spider-Man are as important as the swinging around, webbing and super-villains. Having said that, Kirsten Dunst got on my wick in Spider-man.
spidey 4,5,6,7,8,9,10........ by oojamaflip	Apr 1st, 2008 07:21:56 AM
first two great, third a bit pants but still good. 4,5,6,7,8,9,10... geeeze enough already!!!
romance & city life yes, soap opera no by pipergates	Apr 1st, 2008 07:25:18 AM
i see what you mean, brother, but it was just overdone and too sappy, like in a south american "telenovela".
new ideas, plea(se)! by oojamaflip	Apr 1st, 2008 07:35:58 AM
plea plea plea pleeeeeeeeeese! can the writers/film makers/big studios come up with some new ideas, instead of strap strap strapping and re making the old. ok saying that batman returns was good and I am looking forward to dark knight but come on chaps Jack Nicholson is the best joker and that is that. More like American Splendor please. ta.
you're right pipergates... by RighteousBrother	Apr 1st, 2008 07:38:19 AM
it was a bit sappy, especially Peter almost bursting into tears whenever he had an argument or told MJ how much he loved her. What's this about Jake Gylenhaal though? - I haven't read anywhere that he's the new Spider-Man
i meant batman begins.... by oojamaflip	Apr 1st, 2008 07:38:26 AM
as subject :O)
Don't Need TDK Trailers by tvspace	Apr 1st, 2008 07:38:33 AM
Let's just get to the movie. If it's not an improvement over BB, let's bring back Joel Schumacher. It couldn't be any worse.
The Batman TV show was great by Abominable Snowcone	Apr 1st, 2008 07:42:30 AM
and still is. I loved it as a child. You've got to accept that the Adam West version of the caped crusader was made campy for kids, not comic book buffs. I loved the Burton films, but agree that it had weak spots. The first movie made a big deal of the Batplane rocketing up to the moon, but as soon as Joker sees it, he takes it out with one shot. Weak. Batman Begins / TDK are new incarnations for new times, and Nolan did a great job. If anyone is still offended by the TV show Batman, it's only because you're looking to be offended by it.
The site is RUNNING! by JokersNight	Apr 1st, 2008 08:09:22 AM
Click On the Envelope!
You can open the envelope now. . . by Nice Marmot	Apr 1st, 2008 08:12:36 AM
And the suitcase . . . HOLY SHIT THIS MOVIE WILL ROCK!!!!
Some doing needs to be done. by Kavu	Apr 1st, 2008 08:13:02 AM
Ok now someone in the states go pick up those packages and report. We can't wait. Gogogo!
Suitcase by Kavu	Apr 1st, 2008 08:14:49 AM
How does I open it? Or did I completely misunderstand?
Bowling Alleys by JokersNight	Apr 1st, 2008 08:16:19 AM
Have a ball, spare, strike fast???
RighteousBrother, Gyllenhaal is confirmed by pipergates	Apr 1st, 2008 08:17:59 AM
according to Joblo, they have checked it with three sources and are positive. I think it's great news and look forward to a more fun and wisecracking Spidey.
pipergates by Billy Batts	Apr 1st, 2008 08:21:20 AM
It's April fools day, dude. The article gets more preposterous as it goes on.
624am PST and nothing has happened on the site by Russman	Apr 1st, 2008 08:25:19 AM
(sigh)
You're Killing ME by JokersNight	Apr 1st, 2008 08:26:54 AM
Click on the envelope documents
Oh wait! is that all? by Russman	Apr 1st, 2008 08:30:42 AM
yea!?!?
Jake as Spider-Man??? by sean bean	Apr 1st, 2008 08:32:04 AM
Yeah, right. Check your calendars, everyone.
Billy Batts....oh shit...you're so right by pipergates	Apr 1st, 2008 08:34:47 AM
they got me good...sorry bout that RighteousBrother
Jake as Spidey: April's Fool ! by NotFunny	Apr 1st, 2008 08:44:45 AM
Read the fucking article til the end...
Burton REINVENTED Batman by Sithdan	Apr 1st, 2008 08:49:09 AM
The Dark Knight would be NOTHING without Burton's 1989 Batman film. Sam Hamm crafted a compelling adaptation that reinvented the Dark Knight for the big screen. Before Burton and Hamm came around, the only Batman the general audience identified with was the campy incarnation from the 1960s. An ambiguously gay duo living together with their loyal butler. Burton's style of Batman is being emulated even today by Christian Bale. I personally had no problem with Batman Begins. But what really fucking annoys me is this bandwagon of fans who suddenly think the 1989 version betrayed the comics and should be deleted from our collective memories. The Dark Knight wouldn't even exist had it not been for Burton's film. At least not in its current form. Hell, I think the Dark Knight should have acknowledge Burton for his work as an inspiration.
CHECK YOUR LOCAL BOWLING ALLEYS! by microwavable?	Apr 1st, 2008 08:52:58 AM
oh man, i want a bag of movie stuff! i'm in chicago but live nowhere near a bowling alley. plus, after the Aqua Teen fiasco in Boston, i wonder how movie promo people drop certain things in public, especially a bag of something.
Brokeback Mountain, WY by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 1st, 2008 08:54:41 AM
Ask for Jake's package... errrrr a package FOR Jake.
Another Viral hunt, this time it's global by Oski	Apr 1st, 2008 08:55:30 AM
Check out the site, packages are waiting in London, Paris, Hong Kong, and Sao Palo.
Ugh. by rev_skarekroe	Apr 1st, 2008 08:56:50 AM
I'm sure this is fun for some people. The rest of just wish they'd just post the damn trailer already.
Keeps revealing new addresses by Steve_Dooku	Apr 1st, 2008 09:02:32 AM

Do the stamps on the addresses by CampKoala	Apr 1st, 2008 09:10:05 AM
mean they've been collected?
DEVASTATED!!!!! by smirker	Apr 1st, 2008 09:12:05 AM
I went to the Bayswater address in London but someone had beaten me to it!!! 15 GODDAMN MINUTES!!! It was a bowling alley and the girl behind the counter said the prize was a bowling ball with 'Bobo' on it and a phone number. @!£$%!% IT!!
The other London package has been claimed. by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 1st, 2008 09:16:17 AM

How do you open the suitcase? by zooch	Apr 1st, 2008 09:16:43 AM

by fireclown	Apr 1st, 2008 09:24:55 AM
I went to the Bayswater address in London but someone had beaten me to it!!! 15 GODDAMN MINUTES!!! It was a bowling alley and the girl behind the counter said the prize was a bowling ball with 'Bobo' on it and a phone number. @!£$%!% IT!! Don't keep us in suspenders. What was the number? And how do you open the damned case?
I'm sure the case won't open until later by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 1st, 2008 09:28:49 AM
Maybe not until all the bowling balls have been collected.
Ah a note. by fireclown	Apr 1st, 2008 09:29:24 AM
And nothing near me. Very sad. Who is Bobo?
addresses in Philly and Miami by longcoldstare	Apr 1st, 2008 09:45:55 AM
with locker numbers and combos? C'mon, post Atlanta! I have an "operative" there to pick it up.
New Joker trailer by Evil Hobbit	Apr 1st, 2008 09:50:38 AM
Right here: http://tinyurl.com/33x5r5 The clown is evil!
For us New Yorkers . . . by SkidMarkedUndies	Apr 1st, 2008 10:02:16 AM
I thinking this is the one in Glendale . . . Glendale Bowling Alleys 7148 Myrtle Ave Flushing, NY 11385-7260. I have no way of knowing or going. Hope this helps.
philly now stamped by longcoldstare	Apr 1st, 2008 10:02:30 AM

glendale, chicago, midloathian now up by longcoldstare	Apr 1st, 2008 10:04:34 AM
It's a different alley, SkidMark.
Am I missing something? by Jor-El23	Apr 1st, 2008 10:09:41 AM
i can't click on anything on this Clown page
Got beat to the Miami one by 5 minutes. by Ozy	Apr 1st, 2008 10:15:00 AM
The locations are bowling alleys. I got beat by a 5 minutes cause of f***ing traffic. It's a bowling ball of some kind according to the ladies working the desk.
ARGH!!! by McDee	Apr 1st, 2008 10:16:29 AM
The Chicago location is 40 minutes away, not including morning traffic and construction!!!
Kingston, MA by helvis	Apr 1st, 2008 10:18:11 AM
The only bowling alley in Kingston, MA according to the yellow pages is Alley Kat Lanes and Kingston Ten Pin. The website is http://www.alleykatlane.com/ Good luck NE talkbackers; I can't leave work.
I can't get the suitcase to work either! by RighteousBrother	Apr 1st, 2008 10:18:37 AM
stupid thing!
Some big cities... by helvis	Apr 1st, 2008 10:21:28 AM
I would think the ones in bigger cities (Seattle, Vegas, Portland, San Fran, etc.) would be tougher to figure out. Although, how many bowling alleys are there in each city, really?
I grow weary of this viral fuckery... by 11dayempire	Apr 1st, 2008 10:22:18 AM
...just release the trailer, ffs.
Jor-El23..... by RighteousBrother	Apr 1st, 2008 10:23:03 AM
click on the flap of the envelope!
I wish this was like the last one by Greenleaf1	Apr 1st, 2008 10:26:42 AM
where there was stuff on the computer for everyone to coincide with the other stuff. I remember the morse code Joker laugh last time that was good fun. Now instead we're all just waiting. I feel like calling my friend and driving from Milwaukee to Madison to await that one, but I'm not that hardcore.
I live in MA by Cap'n Jack	Apr 1st, 2008 10:28:58 AM
I'm not driving to the Cape for this shit...
Aye aye, Cap'n by helvis	Apr 1st, 2008 10:34:56 AM
You're right. I could leave work if I really wanted to... but that would be a bit much.
Good morning west coasters by helvis	Apr 1st, 2008 10:37:21 AM
My final post on this incredibly viral topic... I have done the work for you. The only bowling alley listed in Chula Vista is: Brunswick Premier Lanes 845 Lazo Court, Chula Vista, CA 91910 http://www.bowlbrunswick.com
Michael Keaton vs Christian Bale, mano e mano by ConsiderMeMilesDavie	Apr 1st, 2008 10:43:19 AM
Keaton would win using only one handed bitchslaps. And his teeth. Thoughts?
Progress by Kavu	Apr 1st, 2008 10:49:39 AM
Miami, Midlothian and Chicago stamped.
bah by Uridium	Apr 1st, 2008 10:54:31 AM
Called GF in Paris from London and asked her to run over there.... stamp went up... called her again, she is 1 min from the place. DAMN, I missed it.
there are too many ATL alleys by longcoldstare	Apr 1st, 2008 10:58:43 AM
to predict. We have to wait for the next round. Why can't they just post all of the addresses, FFS!
If there weren't 10 bowling alleys by shitstorm23	Apr 1st, 2008 10:59:01 AM
in Portland, I'd go out looking for this shit, how are you supposed to know which one?
ugh by sharpie	Apr 1st, 2008 11:00:35 AM
charlotte is a major city!! we have bowling alleys! bah
Hey Helvis... by TheBigLebowsky	Apr 1st, 2008 11:09:12 AM
Who's got big titties?... I didn't bother to read your post...
Kington MASS by Jaffa8	Apr 1st, 2008 11:12:45 AM
I'm going to check it out in 45 minutes....it's rightup the road....any idea what I'm looking for?
Australia has bowling alleys too! by Mr. Marvel	Apr 1st, 2008 11:14:19 AM
...and Kangaroos. But that's about it.
...wtf?... by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 1st, 2008 11:14:38 AM
...why cant I get the page to work? I know its somethin wit bowlin alleys and that Im not gonna participate, but I at least wanna know how to open that envelope...can someone give me the directions as to how to open it?...
JaffaB by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 1st, 2008 11:16:51 AM
Go to a bowling alley. Fondle the girl behind the counter. Then report back to us, if you're not in the back seat of a police cruiser. ahole ramirez - click the open end of the envelope.
by defenderoftheo	Apr 1st, 2008 11:19:25 AM
Another "contest" this stuff is cool but only if you live in a big enough city that they do it there.
dwide shrewd by sharpie	Apr 1st, 2008 11:20:23 AM
what if its a guy?
what do you want Defenderoftheo by Uridium	Apr 1st, 2008 11:22:10 AM
..ya want them to set these things up in Butthole, Idaho?
re: dwide by mr ahole ramirez	Apr 1st, 2008 11:25:14 AM
...I clicked every centimeter of that envelope and nothin...are all you guys playin a 4/1 on me?...
hey ahole by Uridium	Apr 1st, 2008 11:29:46 AM
have you refreshed the page, and does your envelope look closed or open with some papers sticking out?
I here you defederoftheo by Freaky_Zeke	Apr 1st, 2008 11:29:52 AM
Tiny, bored-ass cities of the world unite!
ahole by sharpie	Apr 1st, 2008 11:30:22 AM
refresh the page. click the little white piece of paper sticking out of the envelope a little
mr ahole ramirez by Dwide Shrewd	Apr 1st, 2008 11:31:01 AM
Maybe you need to update your flash plugin, or something. sharpie - Then you just wait a minute. A girl is bound to walk past at some point.
Sharpie the answer is simple... by dihay	Apr 1st, 2008 11:31:38 AM
You do the same thing if it's a guy but you have to include the code phrase: "Are you smugglin' bowlin' balls or are you just happy to see me?", while doing so. sheesh...
hmmm by sharpie	Apr 1st, 2008 11:32:23 AM
ill go to my local bowling alley and try anyway, hell if anything itll liven up the day.
what are the numbers? by Jaffa8	Apr 1st, 2008 11:34:04 AM
locker combos?
Jaffa8 by Uridium	Apr 1st, 2008 11:35:24 AM
thats what I thought,.. bowling alleys have shoe lockers????
well... by Jaffa8	Apr 1st, 2008 11:35:57 AM
I need the code then before I go....how d

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