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by mr ahole ramirez
Mar 30th, 2008
10:24:34 PM
...no thoughts other than Levitt should be the star...
bombs away
by Sir Loin
Mar 30th, 2008
10:36:01 PM
This film should have been shown on Lifetime or something, like all the rest of 'em.
No confusion, the movie is bs.
by critch
Mar 30th, 2008
10:46:09 PM
No, there's no confusion. The events in this movie could not and would not happen. You're not going to be sent back to Iraq after months of being home with signs of trauma. It doesn't happen. Stop-Losses happen all the time. And it's never a surprise when it happens. You're in the military, you're prepared for the eventuality. And if you go awol, then you deserve to be shot. You're a traitor. And nobody wants to see a fucking preachy movie about how horrible the war is and how it's a good idea for someone to 'fight back' by going awol and leaving. Yes, the war sucks, but the kid in this movie and irl knew that before he signed up. You signed a contract, now pay the price.
What we learn from this review
by MorbidObesity
Mar 30th, 2008
10:56:39 PM
Moriarty has no idea of anything that goes on in the military. It's nice he mentions his lack of interest in the topic, but he would've enjoyed the film more if he'd done some research. It becomes a heck of a comedy.
Fuck, man
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 30th, 2008
11:02:41 PM
"And if you go awol, then you deserve to be shot. You're a traitor." Okaaay. You are kind of creepy.
The 1st Great Filmed Entertainment of the Iraq War...
by jgmamma0
Mar 30th, 2008
11:09:04 PM
will be "Generation Kill." I just do not see how the creators of "The Wire" will fall in the same narrative traps that others have done in "Rendition" or "In the Valley of Elah". Actually, I like "In the Valley of Elah" more than you did, Moriarty, because I thought Tommy Lee Jones's performance elevated mediocre material. So far, the best film so far on the Iraq conflict/war on terrorism has been Robert Redford's "Lions for Lambs" because it really expressed the confusion that we have right now about this time in our history.
Another review?
by thebearovingian
Mar 30th, 2008
11:11:20 PM
Unnecessary and useless, I'm afraid. Maybe if it had been posted a week or so ago.

Yes, I did bother to post even though I thought this review was unnecessary and irrelevant at this point.

YOU KNOW WHO SHOULD BE SHOT? YOU, CRITCH
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 30th, 2008
11:11:48 PM
And it couldn't happen soon enough. It's not like he's (or the real life soldiers who fought Stop-loss orders) deserting the battlefield and putting his fellow soldiers in danger, you fuck. And this war has produced a large number of AWOLs - and guess what? These guys were all court-martialed. They faced it because they did sign a contract and face the consequences of breaking it. But for some of them, they had a fit of conscience (ever heard of conscientious objectors?) or maybe didn't want their shit blown off for no good reason. Maybe they saw some horrible shit and can't take it anymore. The guys who continue to serve regardless of personal beliefs, pro or against? More power to them and I hope they come home safe. But not everybody is programmed that way.
To add to BSB's post...
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 30th, 2008
11:16:46 PM
Those guys who are going AWOL to avoid going back to Iraq have one thing in common that makes them less deserving of a bullet than critch- they actually went to Iraq in the first place. They've done more for their country than your average angry talkbacker.
YOU FUCKING WINGNUTS ARE A REAL SICKENING LOT
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 30th, 2008
11:28:15 PM
On the one hand you bend ass backwards to defend the Administration like blind mice, who put troops in insane situations, and then even to the extent of defending those scumbag contractors KBR and Halliburton (really because you can't stand Libs, for no other reason) - companies that treat the war like a profit center and serve sewage-infested water to the troops. Then comes word that - surprise! - soldiers can't take it and drop out, and you're first to say "shoot them, they're traitors". You are so mental I doubt you'd get in the military even if you did drum up the balls to join up.

These anti-war hippie throwback bombs...
by James Westfall
Mar 30th, 2008
11:30:03 PM
... are becoming as frequent as Hollywood's "remakes" and "reimaginings."
OKAY, MORI - YOU NEED TO READ THIS
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 30th, 2008
11:39:46 PM
This is an article (with solid figures and rates) from the AP via The Albuquerque Tribune. It should dispel a lot of misinformation about Stop-Loss and AWOLs and put the proverbial bullet in Critch's dumbfuck skull. And I'll start off with a choice quote for those morons who need reminding that soldiers are human beings and fellow citizens and not fucking killer robots on a fucking PS3:

"We're asking a lot of soldiers these days," said Roy Wallace, director of plans and resources for Army personnel. "They're humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I'm sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier."

Here's the article:

http://tinyurl.com/yosg6k

Soldiers going AWOL at high rate
Desertion is up 80 percent since start of Iraq war
Lolita C. Baldor, Associated Press
Saturday, November 17, 2007

WASHINGTON — The weight of the war has proven to be too heavy for a growing number of soldiers.

Faced with difficult and repeated tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, deployments that stretch for 15 months, and signs of lingering stress disorders, more soldiers are finding a way out: desertion.

According to the Army, soldiers are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80 percent increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam War, when the draft was in effect, they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42 percent jump since last year.

"We're asking a lot of soldiers these days," said Roy Wallace, director of plans and resources for Army personnel. "They're humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I'm sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier."

The Army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for longer than 30 days. The soldier is then discharged as a deserter.

According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year.

The increase comes as the Army continues to bear the brunt of the war demands with many soldiers serving repeated, lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military leaders - including Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey - have acknowledged that the Army has been stretched nearly to the breaking point by the combat. Efforts are under way to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps to lessen the burden and give troops more time off between deployments.

"We have been concentrating on this," Wallace said. "The Army can't afford to throw away good people. We have got to work with those individuals and try to help them become good soldiers."

Still, he noted that "the military is not for everybody, not everybody can be a soldier." And those who want to leave the service will find a way to do it, he said.

While the Army does not have an up-to-date profile of deserters, more than 75 percent of them are soldiers in their first term of enlistment. And most are male.

Soldiers can sign on initially for two to six years. Wallace said he did not know whether deserters were more likely to be those who enlisted for a short or long tour.

At the same time, he said that even as desertions have increased, the Army has seen some overall success in keeping first-term soldiers in the service.

• There are four main ways that soldiers can leave the Army before their first enlistment contract is up:

• They are determined unable to meet physical fitness requirements.

• They are found to be unable to adapt to the military.

• They say they are gay and are required to leave under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

• They go AWOL.

According to Wallace, in the summer of 2005, more than 18 percent of the soldiers in their first six months of service left under one of those four provisions. In June 2007, that number had dropped to about 7 percent.

The decline, he said, is largely due to a drop in the number of soldiers who leave due to physical fitness or health reasons.

Army desertion rates have fluctuated since the Vietnam War - when they peaked at 5 percent. In the 1970s they hovered between 1 and 3 percent, which is up to three out of every 100 soldiers. Those rates plunged in the 1980s and early 1990s to between 2 and 3 out of every 1,000 soldiers.

Desertions began to creep up in the late 1990s into the turn of the century, when the U.S. conducted an air war in Kosovo and later sent peacekeeping troops there.

The numbers declined in 2003 and 2004, in the early years of the Iraq war, but then began to increase steadily.

In contrast, the Navy has seen a steady decline in deserters since 2001, going from 3,665 that year to 1,129 in 2007.

The Marine Corps, meanwhile, has seen the number of deserters stay fairly stable over that timeframe - with about 1,000 deserters a year. During 2003 and 2004 - the first two years of the Iraq war - the number of deserters fell to 877 and 744, respectively.

The Air Force can tout the fewest number of deserters - with no more than 56 bolting in each of the past five years. The low was in fiscal 2007, with just 16 deserters.

Despite the continued increase in Army desertions, however, an Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures earlier this year showed that the military does little to find those who bolt, and rarely prosecutes the ones they find. Some are allowed to simply return to their units, while most are given less-than-honorable discharges.

"My personal opinion is the only way to stop desertions is to change the climate . . . how they are living and doing what they need to do," said Wallace, adding that good officers and more attention from Army leaders could "go a long way to stemming desertions."

Unlike those in the Vietnam era, deserters from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars might not find Canada a safe haven.

Just this week, the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear the appeals of two Army deserters who sought refugee status to avoid the war in Iraq. The ruling left them without a legal basis to stay in Canada and dealt a blow to other Americans in similar circumstances.

The court, as is usual, did not provide a reason for the decision.

AWOL
by Toonol
Mar 30th, 2008
11:59:17 PM
I have no problem treating AWOL soldiers very harshly. It _is_ traitorous. I don't think the death penalty would be the appropriate penalty for it, every time... although deserting in a battlefield situation should earn you a bullet in the head from your commander.
I would say I'm gay to get out of the army
by Riley Martin
Mar 31st, 2008
12:07:47 AM
But if I had to prove it by sucking a dick, I'd have to shoot everyone in the room and run
AICN's Conspiracy of silence on Superman
by Live.
Mar 31st, 2008
12:34:23 AM
It's been THREE DAYS since the biggest news to ever hit the comic book world broke. DC comics has lost half ownership in Superman! In 2013, they'll lose the other half! DC COMICS IS LOSING SUPERMAN!

Every other entertainment site on the internet is talking about it. Why doesn't AICN have a talkback on this? Are they covering Time Warner's ass? What the fuck is going on here?

Live...
by TheRealMoriarty
Mar 31st, 2008
12:43:46 AM
... your guess is as good as mine. I'd certainly love to hear what Harry has to say on it, since he's a comic nerd since birth and a Superman fan in particular.
Mori...
by BGDAWES
Mar 31st, 2008
01:18:35 AM
I'm still pissed about your BD problems. Seriously. That shit would have pissed me off so badly! And I've worked in customer service, so I know what it's like at the other end of that phone.
And it STILL would have pissed me off.
by BGDAWES
Mar 31st, 2008
01:19:17 AM
You wanna talk about a traitor?
by Ommadawn1959
Mar 31st, 2008
01:56:07 AM
How about a president who orders the outing of a CIA operative - during time of war - to get back at her husband, who refused to LIE about the fictional selling of yellow cake materials in support of an illegal war. Now THAT's a high crime.
Some of you guys need to pick up a weapon
by GQtaste
Mar 31st, 2008
02:00:04 AM
first before you say people that haul ass from war should be shot or executed. Me, I'm no solgier. Never been in the service. But I can relate to them after going over to that hell hole for whatever period of time. And not wanting to go back and risk their lives. Like SExy stated these people are actual human beings w/ human problems. Whether it be money, women, men, drugs, gambling, food, hell whatever addictions or real problems 99% of people face. It's hard enough for me living day to day and I don't have to worry about getting my head blown off. Or stabbed in the middle of the night. Or step or drive over a landmine and get maimed for life at 20 yrs old. These really are fucked up times we live in. Our we the bad guys? I don't think so but our people we put and keep in power have not made the smartest moves for this place we live. And yes when it comes to war. It hardly ever goes smoothly but damn the men in charge have really not made our situation improve. How long ago was it when W. stoop on that aircraft carrier w/ the sign above that said, "misson accomplished." Two years ago? I can't remember but thats just one of a thousand mistakes these people have made. Imagine the thought process that we were going to go over there and change their way of living life. When they live in the prehistic times. And it was foolish to think that they would want to live like us. These people are fucking cavemen over there. They don't want democracy. They liked it the way it was having Sadam telling them how to live. It's complete anararky over there and we're going to have to wait this out on our fucking dime to attempt to put this place back to half-way decent living conditions. That could take 100 years or 200 years. Think about it: we'll all be dead. I'm 33 and dont think this will ever be fixed in my life time. I just wish more of us, and maybe this is selfish on my part, but I wish that we would try more things on our land to improve living conditions in the U.S. Look at all the fucking tormoil thats apon us right now. I said it in another talkback regarding this film. It was $1.43 for gas in 2000 when Bush and co. took office. Where I live right now, it's around $3.12 or so and going up w/ a bullit. And I realize that w/ inflation that type of shit will go up. But it's amazing that when you put in: An oilman = W. Bush. And another oilman = Chaney. 1+1 = Gas and Oil reach record profits! What a coincidence.
Losers survive. winners fuck the prom queen.
by bioforge
Mar 31st, 2008
02:32:34 AM
sorry sean
DC is not losing Superman ...
by krack
Mar 31st, 2008
02:48:43 AM
All the ruling said was that Seigel's heirs get co-ownership of the character - DC can use him and the Seigel's kids can use him. If, for example, the Seigel's wanted to license Superman to Marvel, they probably could under this ruling, but Marvel could not use anything about the character that wasn't in Action Comics #1 (in other words, if Jimmy Olson wasn't in AC #1, the Seigel's have no rights to the character). Here's a direct quote from the judge's ruling:

"although [the current case is] couched in terms of terminating the 1938 grant [of rights], [it] is in effect one for co ownership of the copyright in the Superman material contained in Action Comics, Vol. 1, because, if successful, plaintiffs would gain only a joint ownership interest in that material with DC Comics, owing to the fact that Shuster left no heirs who could simultaneously seek to terminate his half of the grant in the material."

And, of course, this ruling will be appealed by DC.
a magnet ribbon on the ass-end of your car is NOT supporting the
by Ommadawn1959
Mar 31st, 2008
03:27:04 AM
Let's bring the boys (and girls) back home. My own son has done three tours in Iraq. This shit is never-ending. and we don't even get cheaper gas as a result of this war.
What's a "solgier"
by Dazzler69
Mar 31st, 2008
06:36:41 AM
GQtaste?
Another Stupid Anti Iraq Film
by MarkWhittington
Mar 31st, 2008
06:40:19 AM
"The thing that Brandon can’t get past is that there’s not a war or an emergency on." Gee, what does he think is going in in Iraq and Afganistan? A picnic? Another stupid, sucky anti Iraq War film that's tanking at the box office. When will Hollywood learn?
Desertion Rate
by MarkWhittington
Mar 31st, 2008
06:51:14 AM
By the way, for the chuckle head who is getting all wound up about a desertion rate of 9 per 1000 (which, by the way, is not true--the article he cites is for AWOL, which is different than desertion), he ought to know that the desertion rate in 1944, in the middle of World War II, was 63 per thousand. That's the Greatest Generation. Also desertion rates for the years 2000, 2001, and 2003 were were higher than during the midst of the subsequent Iraq War. (Source, American Thinker, Military Desertion Rates and the Associated Press, by Alan Fraser, November 18th, 2007)
MarkWhittington
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
08:23:59 AM
Please don't bring up facts or statistical analysis to BringingSexyBack. You'll make him all upset and cranky.
Just As I Predicted ... Box Office Failure
by Luscious.868
Mar 31st, 2008
08:26:08 AM

This film, like every other piece of liberal propaganda Hollywood pumps out about the Iraq war, has failed at the box office.

How much more crap will Hollywood spew before it realizes that at this point, Americans don't care about Hollywood's take? We're sick and tired of Iraq and we want out and we're not going to spend $15 - $20 bucks a person (when you include food and drinks) to be reminded about it. Especially when we know before we go into the theater what kind of unoriginal take on the war we'll get.

Perhaps if Hollywood could come up with something original you'd get people to show up, but most people know what they're going to get with crap like Stop Loss and In the Valley of Ellah as soon as you see a triler for it.

MARKWHITTINGTON
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
08:42:56 AM
The article I cited was also from AP, same as yours. The difference is that desertion rates would presumed to be higher today if we had a draft, not just an all-volunteer force. And I have and do support a draft for any protracted conflict. If the war is worth fighting, it's worth fighting for everyone, don't you agree?
AND THAT ARTICLE IS FOR DESERTION
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
08:45:45 AM
Try reading it. And the 9 out of 1,000 is for fiscal 2007 and only for the Army, not the whole of the military.
BSB knows less about the military...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
09:05:55 AM
..than even Moriarty. He's about as knowledgeable as that AP reporter, though. Or as dishonest. That "80 percent" rise is a joke, as anyone could find out with minimal research. And, no, BSB, I won't explain to you how to use Google. Ask your mommy.
I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO BE SCHOOLED BY YOU MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
09:16:40 AM
But I've read your posts in these Stop-Loss TBs. Nothing in the way of 'honesty', facts or 'knowledge'. You're careful to straddle the line of hyperbole and not stray into actual facts. Just the garden-variety vitriol targeting the "Leftists". So you say that "80%" rise is a joke. Don't be so mysterious, Morbid. What makes it a joke?
Stop=Loss Might Actually Make Money
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
09:30:44 AM
With an opening weeking of $4.5 million of a production budget of $25 million, it make approach break-even . . . it's domestic take will easily best In The Valley of Elah $6.7 million total domestic gross . . . if there is commisserate world-wide box office, it should turn a tidy profit, plus DVD, etc.

Still looks like a snore fest, to me.
Okay, BSB...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
09:31:21 AM
Here's a start: Quit being so sure that the AP reporter understands the difference between desertion and AWOL. Also, look at the figures on a yearly basis. You might learn something about how percentages work. Say your mother gave a blowjob for $2 last night. Tonight, she'll give two blowjobs at the same price. Hey, that's a huge increase by percentile! Hope she remembered to get the money afterwards!
THAT'S THE KIND OF RESPONSE I WAS EXPECTING
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
09:37:11 AM
You sure don't disappoint, I'll say that about you.
Drafts are Idiotic, BTW
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
09:37:52 AM
Soldiers should self-select. Market at work. I support the military, but I could not do that job, and could not have done the job when I was twenty, and would have (intelligently) never have selected myself for it. I don't think we've ever had a better military than our current volunteer forces, and any one who wants to bring back the draft, for any reason, is wrong. And that's all I've got to say about that.
Your Mother Gives $2 Blowjobs?
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
09:39:22 AM
She's really undercutting the competition. She seriously needs to do an indepth market analysis, as she's leaving a lot of money on the table.
Whassamatter, poor BSB?
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
09:44:49 AM
Can we expect you to report back on that AP reporter's definition of AWOL and desertion, along with a year-by-year analysis? Or is that too many "actual facts" for you to address? Really, it's easy to look up this stuff. And that other guy's right about your mother undercharging on those blowjobs. I'm sure she could get $3 easy.
KEVINWILLIS
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
09:47:51 AM
I'm hoping someone with expertise in the drafting process will clarify further but a draft does not automatically put you in a combat situation. In fact, you may not even end up serving. You're put in a lottery, and if selected, you're evaluated for physical and mental readiness. If you don't qualify, you don't get sent for combat. But if this war were worth fighting, don't you want to share in the sacrifice? Even in a non-combat role? That's what I and many find so wrong about this war. The Administration had even ordered a plan for a draft but stood on it because of the political ramifications and loss of support for the war. Hence necessitating longer tours for the volunteer force, while those cheerleading the war get to do so from the comfort of their home.
Stop Loss took only 4.5 mill in it's North American opening week
by Greg7007
Mar 31st, 2008
09:51:51 AM
"The draft is coming! The draft is coming!"
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
10:00:48 AM
Or the draft was coming, and might again! Please listen to BSB! He has special insider knowledge! Also, check out the other STOP LOSS talkback for BSB's special secret knowledge of the Project for a New American Century! It's a conspiracy!
if a draft was announced
by aestheticity
Mar 31st, 2008
10:01:04 AM
would selectees have time to put on, say, 8 stone before going for evaluation? nonstop big macs?
BSB: Self-Selection is Still Better
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
10:03:05 AM
I understand how a draft (or, most various types of draft) work. They still suck. Although I signed up with selective service when I turned eighteen. It was quick, easy, and it was the law. And I was a little worried during Gulf War I . . . I didn't want to end up shooting things in the desert. Or being shot at. Self-selection is a superior system, in more ways than one. Better for the soldiers, better for the military . . .

As far as a war being worth fighting, I may have noted before than I'm not a big fan of pre-emptive wars. I don't think we should have gone to war in Iraq; I think we should have spent the time building up our military, getting more military into the middle-east or near, making a show and having a presence and flexing our big giant military muscles--carrying a big stick, in other words--but the Iraq war was not "speaking softly". But even if I was all for the Iraq war, I wouldn't want to share in the sacrifice--that's the job of the U.S. military, who are, generally, much better people than me. I'd want to stay at home making more money typing into a computer to better support my family.

BTW, I may have also mentioned, I'm against stop-loss as a policy. if they may stop-loss optional, with an attached $20k bonus--go back right now and you'll get an extra $20k!--or something, then that would be different.
Drafts Undercut the Military
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
10:08:59 AM
And America's military strength. It's why liberals are so keen on having them, now. They aren't afraid a draft is coming, they are afraid that it won't.

BTW, as far as I know, every administration has had a plan for implementing a draft--bureaucracy is all about having infinite file folders of plans your never going to implement (but you might!). Besides, I understand the Bush plan for a new draft was very long, and Bush explained: "I was elected to lead, not read!"

Love me some Simpson's.
4.5 Million In It's Opening Weekend
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
10:15:36 AM
Would indicate that it may turn a profit. Most of the movies have performed better internationally than domestically, then there's cable rights and DVD, and the production budget was only $25 million. Even Lions for Lambs turned a profit. Assuming it wasn't all eaten up by back-end deals.
MorbidObesity...
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
11:13:13 AM
demanding facts, yet giving none himself. And saying that you don't trust an AP reporter is not the kind of fact I'm talking about. [Insert middle school worthy mother/blowjob joke here]
Military Enlistment Contracts
by dperr67
Mar 31st, 2008
11:20:25 AM
One thing about initial military enlistment contracts that people do not know is that when you first enlist, your total obligation is 8 years. Whether you sign up for 3, 4, 5 or 6 years- those years are considered "Active Duty" years. The remaining balance of the 8 year contract is to be either active reserve or inactive reserve. Active reserve means that you do the 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks in the summer until your 8 years are up. Most people who enlist for active duty usually finish out the balance on inactive reserve. On inactive reserve, you don't have to do anything but let the military know where you are and how they can contact you. This is where they can pull you back in "against your will". After they have called up all of the Active Reserve units, They can order inactive reserve personnel back to active duty.
Oh, and kevinwillis...
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
11:20:51 AM
Did you say that liberals support the draft because it "undercut[s] the military and America's military strenght?" Where did you get that? Why exactly would a liberal want that? Just because Fox News says something doesn't make it true.
Actually, Super Nintendo Chalmers...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
11:26:58 AM
...I responded to a request for facts by pointing Lil' BSB into some helpful directions. He's the one who's not showing any interest in research. It's sweet of you to stand up for him, though. I especially like how you act offended that I might have said something offensive. With you sucking his cock, BSB might be distracted from eventually screaming about how I'm a whore, or those similar deep insights that he's shared in the past. By the way, be sure you charge BSB more than his mother does...keeping in mind BSB may get the family discount.
Hey!
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
11:45:36 AM
You could write a book of those! Nothing funnier than incest and gay jokes!
...
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
11:47:34 AM
And where do I act offended? Thinking that your jokes are fucking lame doesn't necessarily make me offended. I read AICN talkbacks. If I was that easily offended, I would be reading CBN.com.
is it true?
by mr ahole ramirez
Mar 31st, 2008
11:52:56 AM
...that if youre married in the military and get caught cheatin, that u can get a dishonorable discharge or somethin?...my air force friend told me that...
Super Nintendo Chalmers
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
12:08:18 PM
Did I make a gay joke? Sorry, wasn't really making assumptions about your sex. Anyway, do you have any facts to contribute, or to at least suggest that BSB's favorite AP article has its own facts right? I've pointed out the most glaring inaccuracies. Now you can do some research. Are you're allowed to use Google? I mean, I don't want to make assumptions. I used to even think BSB was an adult.
I, too, considered Kim Pierce's Stop-Loss...
by anchorite
Mar 31st, 2008
02:15:22 PM
I considered it a piece of shite.
My two cents...
by Snarky2
Mar 31st, 2008
02:43:46 PM
I tried to enlist when I was 18 (years ago), and they told me I wouldn't make it with my shitty knees. Those people (even the ones who wash out) deserve all the respect in the world for at least trying. I heard a General discussing the draft and he said they hate it because it brings in people who don't want to be there, aren't necessarily qualified to be there, and puts themselves and everyone else in danger. Most of the time people bring it up, it's because they're trying to forward their political agenda. It's a bunch of crap and they know it. We need to offer more incentive to the people who are out there putting their ass on the line for us (and that means more at home too).
Oh yeah...
by Snarky2
Mar 31st, 2008
02:48:12 PM
I wish people would stop the bull-shit of trying to link the war and gas prices. Oil is up because the dollar is down. The dollar is down because greedy fucks in the mortgage industry fucked everyone to make a quick "signing bonus" profit on loans they knew were bogus. Then you have the morons who took out loans they knew they couldn't repay (some of them even getting cash back on their home purchase, then walking away). Now the dollar is worth shit, so it costs more to buy a barrel of oil. It's not rocket science. Besides, we only get 11% of oil from there to begin with. If this shit keeps up, my mother's going to have to go back to giving blowjobs. I'm not going to let her take less than $5 though. I had a snaggle-tooth hooker offer me one for $5 once, and my mom's teeth are good.
MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
02:52:35 PM
Okay, I'm going to give you an adult reply. I'm not going to argue with you for a few reasons. There are other Conservatives here I'd rather spend time debating, and have, because they're actually interested in a discussion. I'm not completely close-minded, which is a prerequisite for a rational discussion. You're just in it for a pissing match and if it were about some throwaway topic like Star Wars, I'd be game. But I'm not doing that on this topic. Sorry you wasted your bait. If for a moment I knew you were a reasonable guy, then sure we can talk. But someone picking a solitary word out of an article that actually contained solid figures from the military is not debating. It's the poor man's way of debating. Worth the time? Maybe to you but doubtful to anyone else.
Super Nintendo Chalmers . . .
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
03:32:49 PM
I should be more specific: liberal politicians want to bring back a draft in order to undercut the military and American military strength. And some, but surely not all, run-of-the-mill liberals want that, too. If not that, then they are 100% wrong about what they think a draft will accomplish. In either case, I'd have to find myself on the opposite side of the argument.

On the other hand, Super Nintendo Chalmers is a frickin' awesome handle. One of the better ones I've seen, no doubt.
Snarky2
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
03:32:51 PM
Whether we went there for the right reasons or not...
by anchorite
Mar 31st, 2008
03:38:47 PM
clearly Iraq has become the battleground and we can't simply pull out. There IS a greater reason for this war, and it isn't oil, although oil is an unfortunate part of the equation.

The greater reason is national security. And I don't just mean protection from angry Muslims who want to blow up our cities. I mean long-term viability for our country. Securing a place for America at the front of the line in the global marketplace.

The current government is doing a really shitty job of protecting our interests, from open borders to letting manufacturing and tech jobs slip away overseas. The economy isn't as far in the crapper as some would have us believe, but it also could be doing a damn sight better. the weak dollar isn't just because of insane lending practices in the mortgage market. It isn't just because we are fighting an unpopular war. Like most things, it's multi-faceted and requires a lot of changes in a lot of different areas in order to fix things.

Stop-Loss is an example of focusing on the worst aspects of our nature and our country. I sincerely wish that more people would focus on the things that make America great and be as passionate about showing those aspects, rather than keep pumping out anti-war propaganda pieces that no one really cares to see.

That said, I think it is a terrible thing to be torn away from your family and forced to go overseas where your life is almost constantly in jeopardy. Especially when you think you have served your time and your duty is over. God bless those men and women and their families, and let's pray for their safe return.
Mostly there is talk of a draft...
by anchorite
Mar 31st, 2008
03:44:52 PM
with the hopes of scaring the pants off of Americans, trying to further turn them off to this already unpopular war.

The Dems want to see Americans protesting for the war to be over. It's ingrained in their psyche from their Vietnam days. That's how they're wired, and that isn't going to change.

It has less to do with "fairness" and more to do with political gamesmanship. I'm looking at you, Charlie Rangel.
Nevermind, Snarky2
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
03:52:04 PM
I was going to comment on what you said, but I don't feel like it anymore. kevinwillis, I consider myself progressive, do NOT support the draft, and come from a family that has had several voluntary enlistees. This doesn't really make any difference to anything, it's just background. The point I want to make is that those politicians that want to impose the draft, whether right or horribly fucking wrong, are not doing it because they WANT to undercut the military. I see your opinion, that this will be the outcome, as a valid one, but not that this is these people's intent. I have a hard time as both a progressive and a liberal when conservatives tell me what my opinion of the military is. I have a friend in the Navy on a nuclear sub right fucking now. I have a friend in the Marines. My uncle was in Vietnam and my mother served during Desert Storm. The list goes on. Again, I don't support the draft, I just need to point out that liberals don't want a weak military anymore than conservatives do. And thanks, I like my handle as well. It was almost "I Bent My Wookie," but I liked this better.
ANCHOVY AND SNARKY
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
03:54:34 PM
Anchovy you make some salient points that I'd love to discuss but I have to tell you Talkbacking on a Blackberry sucks balls and can't even do paragraphs. ... SNARKY: I think you missed a huge factor in oil pricing, which is basic supply and demand, theprime component of any price. Speculators have been driving barrel prices through the roof, and if you ask them the reasoning I can tell you the war, production levels and presumed supplies have much to do with it. I hope they can keep inflation in check but already consumer gas prices are rising high and will affect every sector of the economy. I'd love to be an optimist about our ability to rebound but sometimes you gotta be a realist.
anchorite
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
03:55:37 PM
I agree that part of the draft talk does have more to do with making a point than actually getting a draft started. Good point, that.
BSB...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
04:07:45 PM
...is a punk-ass bitch. How sad was that, people? Why, he won't debate me because...well, what was it again? Because I "pick[ed] a solitary word out of an article." He won't mention what that solitary word is, of course. Why, he just can't be bothered with facts. BSB is too busy breaking big news on that secret draft program! He must've inherited his debating skills from his mother...which means you guys can probably convince her to pay you $2 for the next blowjob you get from her. (Just kidding; I give AICN talkbackers some credit for being discerning in sexual matters.)
I Bent My Wookie
by kevinwillis.net
Mar 31st, 2008
05:09:20 PM
That'd be a good one, too. God bless Ralph Wiggum.
Public goes AWOL: zip boxoffice
by thegreatwhatzit
Mar 31st, 2008
05:26:31 PM
As noted above, this one (barely) opened at #8. Next stop: a 3AM slot on cable. However the war negotiates your personal convictions, here's the bottom line: the public isn't buying into Hollywood propaganda (pro- or anti-; in retrospect, I haven't seen any "pro").
thegreatwhatzit
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
05:33:10 PM
Have you seen the movie? If not, where exactly do you get off calling it propaganda? Have you actually read anything about it other than the talkbacks? It seems to me like most reviews, as tepid as they may be towards it, have made sure to note that it isn't a propaganda film. Remember several years back when Dogma came out and the big line here was that everyone protesting against it hadn't actually saw it? Same thing here. Anyway, the news is depressing enough as it is, so I'll probably skip this. The best thing about this movie, in the end, will have been its talkback.
saw it?
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
05:37:19 PM
Seen it, saw it... whatever.
MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
06:17:21 PM
Does the word "petulent" mean anything to you?
"Petulent"?
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
06:32:28 PM
No, BSB, that word doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe you're trying to spell "petulant." Tell your mommy to take that stranger's penis out of her mouth and help you to try and spell big words. Typos are one thing; not knowing how to spell the word that's the entire basis of your post is simply sad. As a good example of "petulant": "You Fucking Wingnuts Are A Real Sickening Lot," which is the subject heading of one of a BSB post on this talkback. Now ask mommy to tell you the meaning of "projection." (And, no, I'm not referring to what your mother does with the cum that she'd rather not swallow, even for a dime tip.)
Bad edits are no big deal, either...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
06:43:32 PM
...thankfully.
MORBID: GOOD, BUT NOT GREAT, POINT
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
06:48:11 PM
You're a stickler for details when it suits you, but that's not a bad trait. BTW, that post has nothing to do with projection. You really are a sickening person to me. You can't be surprised by that.
Super N C
by thegreatwhatzit
Mar 31st, 2008
06:49:26 PM
I DID see the movie; entirely bereft of two points of view, it narrowed down to "anti". It's undeniably a good movie and the screenwriter/director had every right to opine about the war: Christ, it's called "freedom of choice". But Hollywood has turned a political polemic into predictable propaganda. And a buddy who's been stuck in the mire for a couple of years wrote me, "Phyllis [his wife] told me all the movies are negative--and I'm relieved that they're all bombing. I believe we're making progress. So how come there's absolutely nothing that's positive?" By the way, I loved DOGMA--in fact, I recommended the film to my parish priest.
Wow, I sicken BSB.
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
06:55:18 PM
No big accomplishment, of course. He probably feels that way about everybody who knows how to spell "petulant."
MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
07:17:12 PM
Other than your ability to spell, why do you think that is?
thegreatwhatzit
by Super Nintendo Chalmers
Mar 31st, 2008
07:32:34 PM
Gotcha. Thanks for the reasoned response, even if I was a bit incredulous.
BringingSexyBack Has A Question.
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
07:53:50 PM
He wants to know why he's sickened by people -- even those who can't spell. I'd guess he's also sickened by people who can figure out simple percentiles, or who can tie their own shoes. That's typical of BSB. He uses this site as a safely anonymous place to act tough and bolster his fragile ego, and now he wants some free psychoanalysis, too. Somebody else will have to help him out. I'm more interested in how Moriarty got personal enough with Kimberly Pierce to call her "Kim." Anyone else notice that?
Anchorite- I agree that there hasn't been serious talk of a draf
by samsquanch
Mar 31st, 2008
08:45:59 PM
But, the leap from that point to the implication that there isn't any good reason to be against this war is manipulative, and only impresses stupid people. You do know that liberals aren't the only ones against the war, right?
MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
09:29:10 PM
Way to dodge the question, but you know it wasn't about anyone else but you. We know you're trying to put on a show for everyone but the misfit act has gotten tedious and repetitive. And if you think I'm here acting tough behind some made up screenname, then not only are you the one projecting but you have a strange definition of what tough means. At least I can express my political beliefs in real life without censoring. You? You only have the Net and a real need for that anonymity to voice yours. Keep up the show.
Oh, I see.
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
09:45:51 PM
BringingSexyBack wanted me to dwell on this relationship he imagines that we have. I'm not really sure how to address his claim that I'm...well, is he saying I'm in the closet politically? And what's that "misfit act" supposed to be? I guess when someone like BSB needs this site as a refuge, he builds up a fantasy world that can only be guessed at. Speaking of fantasy worlds, have you heard about how BSB discovered the secret plans of the Project for a New American Century? Maybe he'll tell us more about it. He's certainly avoiding talking the goofy percentiles in that AP article that he so proudly posted here. Took up a lot of space, too.
MORBID
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
10:28:13 PM
Yeah, that misfit act.
Is it because I can spell "petulant"?
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
10:57:06 PM
A lot of talkbackers can spell that word. Sorry you're not one of them, BSB, but it doesn't make me a misfit.
AT LEAST YOU'RE TALKING TO ME DIRECTLY
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
11:10:11 PM
That's some progress, misfit.
Well, I guess nobody's surprised...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
11:34:03 PM
...that BringingSexyBack is seeking a more direct and personal conversation with someone who "sickens' him. Could somebody try breaking the news to him that the two of us aren't really in some kind of relationship? I'm getting a little creeped out.
WHO'RE YOU TALKING TO MISFIT?
by BringingSexyBack
Mar 31st, 2008
11:44:40 PM
It's just you and me in here.
Well, then...
by MorbidObesity
Mar 31st, 2008
11:50:53 PM
...I think I'll step out as quickly as possible, and BSB can enjoy some private time alone with his thoughts in his fantasy world. He certainly seems to have gotten himself all, um, worked up.
AND BY "STEP OUT" YOU MEAN ... CLOSE THE WINDOW?
by BringingSexyBack
Apr 1st, 2008
12:05:28 AM
I never looked at talkbacks as rooms, but then again I don't spend much time in chatrooms. Tell me what that's like one of these days. Night, misfit.
If you kids don't settle down I'm going to stop this car...
by samsquanch
Apr 1st, 2008
01:12:16 AM
I mean it.
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