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GALACTICA’s Eick Developing CHILDREN OF MEN: THE SERIES!!

Weird. by raw_bean	Mar 27th, 2008 03:04:46 PM
Could be interesting.
Promising... by Pennsy	Mar 27th, 2008 03:04:59 PM
I'll let Bionic Woman slide if he can deliver the goods here.
Fuck You Michael Bay by DamnMichaelBay	Mar 27th, 2008 03:07:17 PM
You are a douche.
I don't know by srh1son	Mar 27th, 2008 03:07:18 PM
I love "Battlestar Galactica" but I wonder if SciFi will let this series be as dark and uncompromising as the film was. I'm interested in seeing it though; the film only gave us a glimpse of what a world without children would be like. I just hope the mystique the film had (why no pregnancies?) won't be completely obliterated. The show could easily overstay its welcome.
Children of Men by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD	Mar 27th, 2008 03:08:34 PM
Was over-rated and boring. Worst ending ever.
So Long As He Disclaims Season 3 of BSG by Aquatarkusman	Mar 27th, 2008 03:09:05 PM
God, what a snoozefest. Did they use up all their special effects budget by episode 4? Because they certainly had enough in the tedious, metaphysical conversations budget to last for the whole frakkin' season.
Unless Cuaron is involved... by Node32774	Mar 27th, 2008 03:09:29 PM
...this will probably suck. But COM was my favorite film in the last five years so I'll give it a chance. This better be BSG Eick and not Moronic Woman Eick or I will kill myself. PULL MY FINGER!!!!!
Eh, i don't see it by waggy	Mar 27th, 2008 03:10:09 PM
The movie was fucking perfect as is. I don't really want to see it diluted by explaining everything in an ongoing tv series.
DICKBLOOD by Node32774	Mar 27th, 2008 03:11:44 PM
You are the douchiest douche that ever douched. You must have meant bets ending ever. Didn't you already say The Mist had the worst. you were wrong about that too you little fuckfaced twat.
Aquatarkusman by Node32774	Mar 27th, 2008 03:12:51 PM
I'm only through the first half of BSG S3 but I've loved it. Just as good as the other two IMO.
"Won't be a war show" by Node32774	Mar 27th, 2008 03:14:05 PM
Those were some of the best parts of the movie so Eick better recognize the action potential if he's going to do a series.
Node by Aquatarkusman	Mar 27th, 2008 03:16:48 PM
I won't spoil anything, but I'd say they shot their wad by the time the stand-alone episode involving Bulldog came out. The first six or so episodes were very good.
The COM haters here seem confused on a couple of points: by raw_bean	Mar 27th, 2008 03:17:50 PM
1) The TV series isn't going to have anything to do with the film so your comments about 'even moe shaky cam' and the 'ridiculous ending' have no bearing ont it, and 2) Children of Men was an awesome film. Hope this clears things up for you. :^)
i loved children of men. by alice 13	Mar 27th, 2008 03:19:42 PM
this better be good.
Node32774, by raw_bean	Mar 27th, 2008 03:19:58 PM
I'm with Aquatarkusman. The best of Season three was definitely in its first half, you've got a lot of standalone done-in-one stories to come that don't really advance the plot at all (blame Sci-Fi for asking for that), some of which are Ok, some really aren't. Personally, I think the kick-ass season finale makes up for it though, so I'm still jonesing for S4. And Razor is great. :^)
Extremely Disappointing Film by Lost_Horizon	Mar 27th, 2008 03:20:46 PM
I wanted to love it, but it was two hours of Clive Owen delivering a package. yawn The extra-long shaky-cam sequence was excellent, though. I'll say that. Oh, has David Eick ever had an original thought in his life? I like Ron Moore, kinda, but Eick seems a bit like an insatiable parasite, living off other people's ideas. His personality is like that way-too-bubbly used car salesman or politician who wants to be your best buddy, so long as you have something he wants. Maybe that's common for television producers, but he comes off as extra-greasy. Meh. Pass.
Aqua by Node32774	Mar 27th, 2008 03:21:26 PM
You didn't like the Eye of Jupiter two parter? I found it riveting.
Easily in Top 5 of 2006 by 88 Miles Perhour	Mar 27th, 2008 03:21:29 PM
Children of Men was an amazing film. Fantastic execution, performances, cinematography, sound design, art direction. Perhaps the haters should go back to Michael Bay's assembled from coverage dreck instead of filmmaker's like Cuaron who take risks and push the artform forward.
eeeeeehhh by Trik_Ster	Mar 27th, 2008 03:23:06 PM
Great movie, don't see it as a series It's whole premise about no kids being born for 18 years came to a climax once the first birth came about So don't see the point in a series unless there are ninja zombie assassins
eick ain't shit without moore by oceanic86	Mar 27th, 2008 03:25:05 PM
see: bionic woman.
Logan's Run The Series Called by snowpuff	Mar 27th, 2008 03:27:48 PM
They want their, um, something back - OK I don't where to go with this joke, but Logan's Run the series was all I could think of when I heard about this idea. How far can you stretch the premise of Children of Men into a series (book or movie)? Logan's Run made it to 14 episodes and that was in the 70s...
also, anyone who didn't like cuaron's COM... by oceanic86	Mar 27th, 2008 03:27:55 PM
has no taste. sorry, but it's true; that film was fucking incredible, both from a narrative perspective, and a technical perspective. the most complicated single-take scenes EVER, pulled off perfectly, and 100% believably. it was so fucking real, it made saving private ryan look like delta force 3 or fucking invasion u.s.a.
And coincidentally by snowpuff	Mar 27th, 2008 03:29:12 PM
Planet of the Apes the series also ran 14 episodes...
CHILDREN OF FUCKING MEN by Gilkuliehe	Mar 27th, 2008 03:29:17 PM
Was AMAZING. You assholes complain about EVERY SINGLE THING EVER DONE, right? That's a shame. A sad, sad shame.
War? by supertoyslast	Mar 27th, 2008 03:33:32 PM
There was plenty of action in the movie, but how was it a war film? There was far more going on in the film than just war or even terrorism. I hope that this guy has actually seen the film. Although I still think adapting the book (or movie) into an ongoing TV series is a stupid idea. A mini-series might be ok.
Give Children of Men 10 years. by eggbeater	Mar 27th, 2008 03:33:57 PM
That's when people will finally understand that it's one of the best films ever. Kind of like Fargo.
Note to David Eick by snowpuff	Mar 27th, 2008 03:36:01 PM
Answering my own question, apparently Logan's Run got around the lack of material by adding... aliens to the story? Um... In an episode called Stargate, no less.
I LOVE Children Of Men by LaserPants	Mar 27th, 2008 03:36:45 PM
Its easily in my top ten of all time. That being said, I really DO NOT WANT a tv spin off. What would the point be? The socio-political commentary could be extended, sure, I mean, the same issues still exist -- ultra-right-wing fascism, racism, self-defeating / poorly organized resistance to same, crumbling infrastructure, resources running thin, the inevitable end of civilization unless we drastically alter our ways, et al -- but I think the point(s) were already made pretty well in the film. But maybe I'm wrong, maybe it would make an amazing series. My gut tells me no, however.
Will it suck? by Luscious.868	Mar 27th, 2008 03:41:21 PM
Probably, but one this is certain, if it does suck, Herc will love it.
If you don't like COM you are revealing 2 things: by Rev. Slappy	Mar 27th, 2008 03:42:57 PM
1. Your age. 2. Your IQ.
The movie was awesome but not like the book by jccalhoun	Mar 27th, 2008 03:43:24 PM
As I understand it, not having read it, the film was dramatically different than the book. The book had men being infertile and not women for example. if a television show is made based off of the book rather than the film they had better call it something else. Otherwise people will constantly compare it to the film and how much it stinks in comparison.
Just got off the phone with Clive Owen... by AdrianVeidt	Mar 27th, 2008 03:54:28 PM
...and he said no one could play the role like he did. Best movie of 2006.
The Bionic Women part of the resume by Xiphos	Mar 27th, 2008 03:56:37 PM
Concerns me. That show was a shit pile from top to bottom. How much of it was Eicks fault, I don't know, but the stench of that unflushed bowl winder will stick to him.
SciFi's problem by snowpuff	Mar 27th, 2008 03:57:03 PM
The SciFi channel's problem is becoming clear to me. They make programs based on their relationships with certain people, but not based on the merit of the content. This is why we keep seeing a lot of crap from the same people (i.e. Robert Halmi). Unlike an HBO where if you run off the rails you are going to have an executive shake-up, SciFi is apparently not worth the bother to NBCUni. And that's too had, because the SciFi executive suite badly, badly needs new blood. And the execs aren't going to fire themselves...
Nobody from Galactica should have anything to do with it. by DerLanghaarige	Mar 27th, 2008 04:00:43 PM
I doubt that I will watch any minute of it.
CoM Film MUCH BETTER Than CoM Book by LaserPants	Mar 27th, 2008 04:05:24 PM
I actually read the book first, and thought it was pretty good, but it had no deeper socio-political commentary; it was all about the surface problem. Also, it was hamfistedly christian. The movie, on the other hand, is one of them most brilliant and moving films I have ever seen. In essence, Cuaron pulled a Kubrick, managing to make a film so much better than its source material as to make said source material all but irrelevant.
And the movie had the best shaky cam ever! by DerLanghaarige	Mar 27th, 2008 04:06:24 PM
Seriously, if everybody would be able to handle a pseudo-documentary-cam like this, nobody would ever complain about it. I still can't get over the fact, that The Bourne I-can't-see-what's-going-on won Oscars and Children Of Men didn't
Just got off the phone wih Clive Owen by palimpsest	Mar 27th, 2008 04:08:45 PM
and he says he'd like to apologise for SHOOT EM UP. Quality fella!
Robbed by the Academy by theredtoad	Mar 27th, 2008 04:11:59 PM
but the movie doesn't need awards to recognize it's greatness. Look at all the CLASSIC movies that came out last year. Letters from Iwo Jima, Pan's Labyrinth, The Fountain. COM was definately better than any of these.
I for one heartily approve... by ChildOfMen	Mar 27th, 2008 04:26:49 PM
bring this show on!
Cool! by BronwynMaye	Mar 27th, 2008 04:32:46 PM
I'd watch it!
BSG + COM = great pedigree by Mullah Omar	Mar 27th, 2008 04:36:58 PM
Sign me up as excited to see where this goes.
One of the best movies of all time by MrFloppy	Mar 27th, 2008 04:38:04 PM
No need for a series ¬_¬ At least, I hope it will be good.
I can tell you where this series will go: by kabong	Mar 27th, 2008 04:39:20 PM
TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN Children of Men.
Why God, Why? by bswise	Mar 27th, 2008 04:40:28 PM
Children of Men was a fantastic film, in every freaking way possible. A technical triumph, it was full of brilliant ideas, great acting and emotionally devastating scenes. [SPOILER ALERT] And the ending, with just the sound of children playing to let you know that humanity survives, was perfect—chokes me up just thinking about it. THE END. Sorry, but there is absolutely no reason, whatsoever, to make a TV series out of this story, especially as an on-the-cheap SciFi production.
LOVED children of men by LegoKenobi	Mar 27th, 2008 04:46:44 PM
simply an outstanding movie. not sure i'm good with a TV series, though, unless it somehow showed how the world shown in the movie was for other people elsewhere during the same time period. i mean, they pretty much purposely nixed a sequel idea by having a baby born.... right? LIFE FOUND A WAY.
A world with no kids? by Brunomac	Mar 27th, 2008 04:48:43 PM
We can start going to movies again!
The film is self-contained but... by I Hope You Die	Mar 27th, 2008 04:52:49 PM
...it'd be interesting to see a future that bleak depicted in a television series. If it was as uncompromising as the film I'd watch. The biggest question is: Will it still be set in England or will this be the "what happened in America" version?
MOW my own FUCKING LAWN!!! by Quin the Eskimo	Mar 27th, 2008 04:53:18 PM
I DON'T FUCKING THINK SO
Children of Men wasn't a war movie... by KillDozer	Mar 27th, 2008 05:02:18 PM
If Eick doesn't understand that, he has no business making this TV show. I fear he's already figured out how to turn this premise into another boring court room drama: "And the best part is in season 3 when Clive Owen's character becomes a lawyer and raises an objection to the point the prosecution was making on why there aren't any kids being born and then the judge slowly raises his gavel and..."
The book is about The Kids by doodler	Mar 27th, 2008 05:10:49 PM
IIRC the book is more about how the final generation is given carte blanche and has no respect for its elders. Kind of like Clockwork Orange, only pseudo-sanctioned. also, the elder generation lets the world go to hell, disowning its debt to "Future generations" by protecting the planet, economy, etc. the book was much more about "what if the world was dying - how would we react?" than the movie's theme of "What if the world keeps going down the path it's on - what will it look like in 20 years? Oh, and no more kids..." i'm a HUGE fan of the movie, and i can't wait for this show to begin. even if it's a cheap sci-fi show with substandard production values, if the writing is good, it'll make it. it's very much a "concept/story" show, not necessarily action and fx. it'll be more like Jericho, i imagine, than "BSG w/o starships"
hopefully it's better than Bionic Woman by Charlie Murphy	Mar 27th, 2008 05:21:09 PM
also, i was watching BSG season 3 last weekend, and eick's only episode Hero sticks out like a sore thumb. really, one of my least favorite episodes of the show ever. anyway, i'll probably watch this, as i loved the movie and BSG but i won't get my hopes up.
Chiwetel Ejiofor gotta eat.... by Kizeesh	Mar 27th, 2008 05:28:15 PM
Well he does, he's a growing lad...
Hero was a bad episode? by MattmanReturns	Mar 27th, 2008 05:40:59 PM
The one where you find out that Adama may have started the Cylon war? Uhh... I dunno... that premise kind of intrigued me.
Tagline: by TELF	Mar 27th, 2008 05:42:14 PM
Children Of Men - In the Future, Everywhere looks like Canada. CoM is ones of my faves too. Not a lot of point to this, but will dutifully give it a chance-if only to encourage more grown up sci fi on telly.
Children of Men ranks up there with... by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Mar 27th, 2008 05:43:22 PM
Blade Runner and Escape from New York for awesome postapocalyptic movies and easily one of the best movies of 2006, not to mention some of the best cinematography i've ever seen. a series might have promise, as long as they don't make Theo (if the series isn't some sequel to the movie like the Highlander TV series was) some gun-toting action-hero tough guy. his character was great because he wasn't your cookie cutter action hero. i just wonder if they'll inject more of the Christian-heavy book into the series. the book differs quite greatly from the movie.
10 Minute Tracking shots? by enderandrew	Mar 27th, 2008 05:53:06 PM
Will each episode feature one? And where do you progress? Part of the beauty of the movie is that there is one protagonist, and other than that, there is an insane world. There are very few "good" or trustworthy people. There is no one to root for. It isn't like Star Wars where the Rebels are good guys. Even the "rebels" in Children of Men are selfish and amoral. Dare they make a TV show like that?
That final tracking shot in COM... by CountryBoy	Mar 27th, 2008 06:01:40 PM
... always bugged me. The earlier one in the car was riveting, partly because new events kept happening throughout it, and partly because the stakes got progressively higher as it went on, making it increasingly powerful. (And also it made sense for the camera to stay in the car where the action was, so the sequence didn't draw attention to itself.) But that last shot, following Clive Owen through the streets, was like a master class in unmotivated show-off photography. There was no need not to cut, and nothing new happened for long stretches: we just watched Clive running and ducking while stuff blew up and random anonymous strangers got shot around him. I could tell I was supposed to be impressed, but I just felt manipulated; I was completely taken out of the movie. Sorry, amigo.
Galactica already does without "good guys." by I Hope You Die	Mar 27th, 2008 06:04:21 PM
The only person on Galactica who hasn't committed an atrocity is Helo and he's sleeping with the enemy. None of the main characters are obviously sympathetic.
Great, let's take a one-of-a-kind new sci-fi classic by d1138	Mar 27th, 2008 06:12:18 PM
and turn it into a shitty TV show.
I love this news by Paragon Complex	Mar 27th, 2008 06:16:32 PM
Children of Men is one of my all-time favorite movies. The idea of it being a television series sounds very promising. Anyone who didn't like this movie needs to have their AICN account deleted and their IP banned.
Why? by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 27th, 2008 06:27:22 PM
... Was Bionic Woman so good that we need this guy screwing around with "reimaging" something else?
BSG vs CoM by enderandrew	Mar 27th, 2008 06:29:05 PM
BSG is about humanity surviving versus an enemy trying to bring them to extinction. Even when protagonists lie (Adama) they are doing it arguably to perpetuate and save the species. You can still root for them. Then again, I stopped watching that show, so perhaps I'm mistaken.
I hate the term "shaky cam" by bornofdust	Mar 27th, 2008 06:29:17 PM
It kinda detracts from the purpose of handheld footage. Oh well. This will be interesting to see. I liked the story of CoM but what I LOVED about it was the direction. Without that I'm not sure what to think.
Um... by Ladonite	Mar 27th, 2008 06:49:35 PM
The book was bad. Really bad. it's just about some pretentious old guy who eats cheese. and drinks wine. Completely lame.
I just got off the phone with the CoM's mothers by Trik_Ster	Mar 27th, 2008 07:11:55 PM
they said to pick up pampers, lots and lots and lots of pampers
Potentially cool... by kyle051554	Mar 27th, 2008 07:18:02 PM
...but we'll see.
Um...wouldn't "Children" be a better title? by IAmMrMonkey!	Mar 27th, 2008 07:31:31 PM
Seeing as the lack of them is the focus of the story? Or are they scared that the show will attract peodeophiles with such a title?
My Bad by IAmMrMonkey!	Mar 27th, 2008 07:33:31 PM
Misread the above news and thought they were going to call it "Men".
Uninterrupted Takes in a Car the Series!... by DanielKurland	Mar 27th, 2008 07:44:27 PM
Seriously though, amazing cinematography.
Brunomac, so true. I almost want it to happen by liljuniorbrown	Mar 27th, 2008 07:48:11 PM
That was classic. It's sad but I am more passionate about taking the theater experiance back than I am about anything else going on in the world. The first canidate that promises to ban children,cell phones,talking,and overall dumb ass actions from American movie theaters has my dying allegiance.
yes Hero is a bad episode by Charlie Murphy	Mar 27th, 2008 07:56:32 PM
except the part where Adama may or may not have played a role in starting the wars. the rest is not so good... and Children of Men is most definitely one of the best movies of the past few years. anyone who says different... well, i guess they have different opinions than me.
What a crazy idea. by The Outlander	Mar 27th, 2008 08:14:58 PM
The movie was amazing, but the idea of turning Children of Men into as series seem kind of crazy, unless it is being made for HBO. Thought the really insane bit is to get David Eick (Bionic Woman) to write it. Don't people realize that the reason why Battlestar Galactica is so awesome is because of Ron Moore (and a lot of luck).
Hey, at least we won't have a super-young cast for once by Kurzinski Valentine	Mar 27th, 2008 08:42:16 PM
YAY OLD PEOPLE!
How the book is different: by Monkey Butler	Mar 27th, 2008 09:31:49 PM
The book is a lot more somber than the movie. There's no real terrorism angle at all. In the book, all criminals are deported to the Isle of Man where they are basically left to fend for themselves, and the aim of the Fishes is basically to get friends and family back into England IIRC. There are some great passages where women have fake Christenings for dolls and kitten and things and there's a pretty good sense of entropy to the whole thing. And the Omegas, Clockwork Orange kids as someone else mentioned (in the book, they're the ones that stage the attack on the car that was in the movie) could be interesting as well. But all that being said, there's still not that much that could be done without turning the series into something boring and generic. Have Omegas as feral gangs and Theo's cousin as the autocratic ruler of England trying to hunt down the child...and then what? How do you even stretch it out beyond 9 months, assuming you take the book's ending, without it becoming boring?
COM's Terrorism is Equiv to Gattaca's Med-Tech by fyrie	Mar 27th, 2008 10:56:39 PM
I think COM gave us a horrifying view into the future of "terrorism" as it will be in the near future as Islamic terrorism spreads to the western world and as gangs and political factions become more militant. The Western world started out as a society of ideas. We've become a society of things/possession. We'll become a society of ideas again.
You can't make Art into a TV series, this will suck by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 27th, 2008 11:20:35 PM

And don't nobody go quoting 'artsy' TV shows to me by Doctor Zoidberg	Mar 27th, 2008 11:21:06 PM

Pull my finger! by Osmosis Jones	Mar 27th, 2008 11:35:19 PM

Cinematography by lensproject	Mar 27th, 2008 11:37:35 PM
Sorry kids -- I just want to set the record straight on the word "cinematography". Yes, COM had good cinematography, in that the look of the images was great and the lighting (mostly natural I assume) was perfect, but when people are praising the camera moves, what they're praising isn't the director of photography (who shouldn't have any say about them) but the director himself (or herself). It's the director that decides how to cover a scene, or how to block/stage or move the camera to tell the story, or attach a rig to the roof of a car so that the camera can hang from tracks for 360 degree movement. Which is why Cuaron is a real director and Bay really isn't (since he just covers everything with 12 cameras). Anyway, cinematography = lighting/exposure/film stock/filters (which is plenty tough enough to get right). Directing = camera moves/staging/storyboarding. A bad director who doesn't know what he or she wants might lean on the DP for advice/ideas about camera moves, but that's not the case with Cuaron/Kubrick/Scorsese/Spielb erg.
CHILDREN OF FRAKKIN' MEN! by MrMysteryGuest	Mar 28th, 2008 12:04:24 AM
Katie Sackhoff guaranteed a role!
Pointless! by CeejayNightwing	Mar 28th, 2008 12:42:14 AM
Absolutely no reason to make this film into a TV show and strain out story after story until the networks cancels its ass! Is there a working brain still left in TV land which doesn't need to simply turn popular or unpopular flicks into watered down TV shows? There are better film subject matters that would probably be better TV shows than they were films. JUMPER for example was a crap flick but it could be a pretty good TV show. Children of Men is a story so absolute and finite, there simply isn't six episodes of story there let alone a season!
just what this country is pining for by bacci40	Mar 28th, 2008 12:53:04 AM
a depressing, dystopian view of the future on a weekly basis....
I loved Children of Men by samsquanch	Mar 28th, 2008 02:07:31 AM
Not counting the sterilization bit of course, it looks like a fairly realistic portrayal of what things might actually look like in 30 or 40 years. As a TV series...maybe. TV can be done well, as we've seen in the last decade, but this feels a little forced. Also, I expect it won't have the same deep sense of dread and darkness the film was able to pull off. What about a Half Life 2 tv series?
Children of Bionic Women? by Maniaq	Mar 28th, 2008 02:13:23 AM
I would be quite excited about this child of Children of Men (see what I did there?) but not by the guy that brought us that godawful Bionic Woman remake!! For the love of children of men! hmm... that didn't come out right...
Interesting news by CuervoJones	Mar 28th, 2008 02:33:54 AM
indeed
CoM is the best film of the decade (so far...) by acorvey25	Mar 28th, 2008 02:40:14 AM
Arguable, of course, but try to come up with another film released in the last 8 years that matches what Cuaron achieved in CHILDREN OF MEN. Comparisons to BLADE RUNNER are warranted if you think about it. And lensproject's likening of Cuaron to Kubrick, Scorsese, and Spielberg aren't that far off the mark either (at least from a technical standpoint, you got to give the man that one). Seriously, let's hear some other cinematic contenders...
acorvey, I know the megahype is still very fresh, but by samsquanch	Mar 28th, 2008 02:43:57 AM
I really, really liked No Country for Old Men.
Children of Men by TimMighty	Mar 28th, 2008 02:55:02 AM
...is one of the best fucking single movies ever made. The way you feel for clive owens character is unique. What frightens me the most is that there are really people that dont get the flick...seriously, i get angry whenever someone tells me he didnt like COM. Go watch youre Will Ferrell Movies or Bad Boys 2..
why? we know the ending... by BurgerKing	Mar 28th, 2008 03:06:40 AM
SPOILERS the fuckin kid is born. So, what suspense or reason to keep watching would there be? Uhhhhhhh
Samsquanch by acorvey25	Mar 28th, 2008 03:09:17 AM
Fair enough. NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN is a legitimate contender, though I'd have a hard time declaring it the best of the decade (so far) due simply to the fact that it was released 4 months ago. I'd have to let it live in my DVD player awhile before giving it that dubious accolade (after consulting IMDB, it appears CoM is just over a year old, so my "let it marinate" argument is mostly bullshit). Personally, I felt NO COUNTRY was an emotionally sterile film (which, admittedly, was kind of the point), and while it was a tremendous success in terms of tone and execution, when all was said and done it left me a bit cold. Good pick, though.
Incidentally... by acorvey25	Mar 28th, 2008 03:17:07 AM
I also think Nolan's THE PRESTIGE is among the best of the decade, although I wouldn't declare it as loudly.
For the love of God, NO! by Charlie & Tex	Mar 28th, 2008 03:22:24 AM
Just leave the thing as a novel and a movie - don't turn the thing into tugid televisual morphine, which will be drip-fed to an apathetic world.
Film excellent, book full of interesting ideas by elab49	Mar 28th, 2008 05:18:42 AM
but not James's best executed work (even though it is one I reread on a semi-regular basis) so I am looking forward to seeing how the writers mesh that. The film really just took a couple of the ideas in the book and ran with it - and I did think it was one of the best films of the year. One hopes the high quality of BSG will be the influence on the series and not the woeful Bionic Woman. I'll certainly tune it to see.
I agree with Charlie & Tex by Kubla_Khan	Mar 28th, 2008 05:40:28 AM
Leave it alone, man. The film was absolutely phenomenal, and to shit all over it with a lame series would be a crime. Plus, you just know some asshole who used to be in some godawful teen soap will play the world's youngest person, and suddenly it's Dawson's Creek in a genetics lab. Bah!
CHILDREN OF TERMINATORS?!?!?! by LaserPants	Mar 28th, 2008 05:46:31 AM
GED DOOO DAHHH CHAHHPPAHH!!!! DOOO EEEED NAOOOOOW!!!!!
OF MEN FUCKING CHILDREN!!!!! by ironic_name	Mar 28th, 2008 05:59:39 AM

Sounds like an amazing universe to create in... by Roguewriter	Mar 28th, 2008 06:25:46 AM
... and who says the ending HAS to be a foregone conclusion? Who's to say the birth of the child isn't the start of the thing, rather than its climax? Mix in a little Y: THE LAST MAN international social strife, and you've got an interesting saga in the making. FUCK, people, they made chicken salad outa chicken shit with BSG; give it a chance. CHILDREN OF MEN is the most fascinating "quiet" SF since THE HANDMAID'S TALE (and that one too would make a superb jumping-off point for a series).
Besides... by Roguewriter	Mar 28th, 2008 06:27:17 AM
...the big twist has not yet been revealed. It's Anton Chigurh who becomes destined to save the baby. NO COUNTRY FOR CHILDREN OF OLD MEN. Insta-classic!! =)
Children of Men, The Prestige and Oldboy by Paragon Complex	Mar 28th, 2008 07:14:09 AM
Those are my favorite movies of the decade so far. Unequivocally. Anyone who hasn't seen Oldboy is missing out on a masterpiece. Gosh oh gosh, please don't let it be remade. That'd be a heartbreaking bastardization. Didn't I read not too long ago that they were going to? Ugh.
It is the BOOK not the film being taken on by elab49	Mar 28th, 2008 08:06:03 AM
As most clearly haven't read it you have no clue how that goes and are projecting the film, which is NOT the same thing. It deals more with the politics of a world that knows it is dying - something BSG dealt with well and CoM the film only in passing as Cuaron and the writers removed most of it for a Mad Max off-shot and to hammer home a different focus on the politics of immigration. If the world has a timelimit what do people do? How does society work? How about justice? The book asks these questions and the pregnancy issue is partly a conceit to create the situation and later used as a proxy for power-plays. NOT the film at all.
eick success by palewook	Mar 28th, 2008 09:33:00 AM
bionic woman.
REMOVE THE BLINDFOLD by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 09:46:34 AM
I'm sorry and I know that alot of you will call me dumb, ignorant, or worse for this...but Children of Men wasnt a good film. It was a boring heavy handed film that was shot very very well. I think the way it was done blinded most of you to that fact. Way up above someone said it was the best movie ever because of the performances, cinematography, choreography, adn a few more things that ultimately had nothing to do with the actual story of the movie. It had excellent aesthetics but remove those and you've got a boring film. I'd compare it to Requiem For A Dream except that one had an emotionally resonating story to go along with all of the flashy direction. YOu may roast me now
REMOVE THE BLINDFOLD by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 09:46:35 AM
I'm sorry and I know that alot of you will call me dumb, ignorant, or worse for this...but Children of Men wasnt a good film. It was a boring heavy handed film that was shot very very well. I think the way it was done blinded most of you to that fact. Way up above someone said it was the best movie ever because of the performances, cinematography, choreography, adn a few more things that ultimately had nothing to do with the actual story of the movie. It had excellent aesthetics but remove those and you've got a boring film. I'd compare it to Requiem For A Dream except that one had an emotionally resonating story to go along with all of the flashy direction. YOu may roast me now
lecter1914 by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 09:57:15 AM
COM didn't have an emotionally resonating story? One ordinary man's struggle to save the WORLD doesn't resonate with you emotionally? The story of saving one mother and child from death is resonating. Seeing a society tumble into decay and madness and hopelessness doesn't resonate? Just what does for you then?
Children Of Frakkin' Men! by RaveX	Mar 28th, 2008 10:01:04 AM
that's all
NODE by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 10:03:03 AM
He wasnt tryign to save the world, he was thrown into pretty much babysitting the first pregnant women in 18 years. I just saw a movie about society tumbling into Chaos, it was called doomsday...fun movie that I enjoyed...but I wouldnt say it emotionally resonated with me. The elements you mentioned can make a good film but just having those elements in there doesnt automatically make a good movie. The film wasnt shitty or anything, I just think its highly over rated based on the fact that it had some extraordinary camera tricks.
I have to disagree with you lecter by just pillow talk	Mar 28th, 2008 10:03:08 AM
I'm with Node on this. It definitely had an emotional journey for Clive's character, one where he didn't give a fuck about the world, the future, nothing, to one where he gave his life to try and bring the world back to what it once was. The death of his child still haunting him. Watching his wife die before his eyes. Seeing, like Node said, the sheer madness of the world. No way can I see that being boring.
it was his choice to help the pregnant woman by just pillow talk	Mar 28th, 2008 10:05:25 AM
He could have walked away at any point, but did not. He was part of the birthing process, and that clearly had an impact on him.
I think the important thing to remember here... by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 10:14:47 AM
is that Michigan State is going to upset Memphis tonight. Sorry.
Any reason the article doesn't mention the film? by Lemming	Mar 28th, 2008 10:15:48 AM
Just wondering why..
Bah, Memphis sucks by just pillow talk	Mar 28th, 2008 10:20:59 AM
They'll go 4 - 15 in freethrows in the last 5 minutes and blow it.
Well by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 10:31:37 AM
To each their own I suppose. It didnt really do anything for me outside of acknowledging some really awesomely staged scenese, but that could just be me.
Lemming by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 10:31:54 AM
Because it's based on the book and not the film. I hope you're right pillow, but all this talk about them missing their FT only means they'll go perfect at the line.
perhaps, though I doubt it Node by just pillow talk	Mar 28th, 2008 10:35:43 AM
I'm hoping they lose since I think they are vastly overrated in a pathetic conference. But really, all that matters is that Duke went out early again....heh-heh-heh...
jpt by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 10:48:29 AM
This is true. I don't think anybody can beat UNC. I do have UCLA beating them but they look like crap.
yeah, UNC (so far) as looked extremely good by just pillow talk	Mar 28th, 2008 10:51:02 AM
Let's see how they handle some adversity, which always comes on the road to the championship.
CHILDREN OF MEN = HORROR MOVIE by BringingSexyBack	Mar 28th, 2008 10:56:28 AM
The monsters being humanity on the ultimate brink of extinction. Fantastic thought-provoking movie, that IMHO, will only be diluted in importance by a TV show.
Children of Women by Sithdan	Mar 28th, 2008 11:07:36 AM
You know it's coming
Its A God/Fantasy Story by The Alienist	Mar 28th, 2008 11:17:06 AM
It isn't just a sci-fi story about the future. The hand of a mystical being is there. It isn't even "there if you want to see it". God (or some mystical force) is part of this movie. The world's women don't just spontaneously abort, they eventually cannont concieve. These are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Two different biological functions. Even if what we are doing to the ecology causes one of them, what are the chances of it being the cause of both? At the same time? No. "Something" has stopped us from propagating. But there is hope. This one man, though a bit of a misanthrope, is a "good" man. There is a point made that animals like him. He is "chosen" to bring this woman to the mysterious Human Project. This is a scifi film, but, like BSG, it does have mystical elements.
Possibilities by Cobbio	Mar 28th, 2008 11:20:42 AM
When I first read "Children of Men" was being developed for television, I was skeptical. Dismissively skeptical, in fact. The "Children of Men" movie is such a vividly haunting snapshot of persistance through a dystopian nightmare that it doesn't need to be overexplained. Overexplanation could actually trample the love for the show's origin, which I really don't want to have happen. That said, I think David Eick is a likable, thoughtful guy who could do some interesting things with this project. For example, off the top of my head: Set the show outside of England, in the "bush" of post-war America or Canada. Develop geriatric-leaning cultures on the brink of going out. Give these characters memories, various motivations, and rusted high technologies to work with. Establish the near-feral modern environment. Then, out of the smog, emerges someone who says he/she desperately needs their help in the form of medical test volunteers. The near-ferals naturally fight amongst themselves, wanting to know more, some of them plotting to kill the outsider. A few souls volunteer, not knowing exactly what they're volunteering for, only that they'll be gone for months, possibly years. The drama here could be pretty badass, even violent as, under fire, the outsider leads the volunteers to an old port somewhere along the west coast. The ship from the film is introduced offshore after a candle-lit, fog-filled getaway. A shot of dying Seattle or Los Angeles could recede into the darkness. The volunteers huddle in fear and acute separation anxiety, some weeping, some simply peering out at the dark water. Then there's a tiny signal in the distance. A light. The outsider gasps in joyous relief, pushes on, and sees his/her group finally escorted aboard the vessel. *Here begins the show. It's just an idea, I know. But if David Eick takes the material seriously, as I think he does, and grabs a team of great writers (science fiction and otherwise), this show has some serious possibilities.
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!!!!! by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 11:41:47 AM
Children of Men. A series based on the book which everyone knows was shit compared to the movie. Fucking hell.
CountryBoy You Fail by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 11:46:59 AM
It isn't supposed to cut because you're not supposed to breathe, everyone except you and my cousin were impressed. think about it, the shot where theo is running and then it turns to show the mother cradling her dead son and then back to theo and then goes into the bus whilst people are killed and then theo behind the debris as refugees are executed and a tank blows up without you seeing the actual missile firing. Godlike Direction. Any cut would of absolutely killed the momentum in being immersed in this battle. Fucking idiot.
Opinions on someone I know and his view on COM by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 11:58:33 AM
"I didn't like it. The script wasn't good, the dialogue i don't know, it wasn't a good movie" "aww I loved Blood Diamond" - person "It was alright. not that good, still too much Oscar Bait Edward Zwick style" - me "And you liked Children of Men?" - person
Children of Men = One of the best movies ever made by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 11:59:22 AM
To this day I cannot believe it exists and someone could actually direct like that.
In 10 years people will start to realize it belongs up there by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 12:03:44 PM
with the greats of all time. with 2001 and godfather and star wars and seven samurai.
The Alienist by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 12:05:52 PM
In the book yes, but in the film you could look at it that it plays like a noble story, the same as a mythic superhero story, like the way Superman, batman, hal jordan work in their world. They are meant to be who they are and cannot die because they are mythic and important. ehhh i'm tired. Someone will get what i mean.
The book was lame by Ben Addiction	Mar 28th, 2008 12:38:47 PM
Saw the movie first so I am biased, but I hated the book. Clive's character had a Dictator of England cousin (briefly seen in the film) who was a major character. The book wastes a lot of time on their boring relationship and the dictator is so cliched that Cuaron was wise to ditch him. The "fugee" angle was almost non-existent, and Clive's character was a boring old fart. Hewing more closely to the book is a really bad idea.
IM SHOCKED by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 12:41:26 PM
I actuall expressed a dissenting view of an AICN favorite and was not immediately disemboweled. I stopped posting for awhile but now that I think its safe to actually state an opinion on this site..I think I'll be posting more often.
it SHOULD be a war show like the movie! by chien_sale	Mar 28th, 2008 12:45:10 PM
the whole embiance, the apocalyptic moments made the concept. I don't want another pussying like they did with Star Gate that went from a neat little sci-fi action film to a nerdy Star Trek show.
Eick or Ron Moore is the last cylon. by Diagnostic	Mar 28th, 2008 01:28:19 PM
They are going to do a "Blazing Saddles" type ending.
will it involve Lizard people and the illuminati?? by Mysterious Yobo	Mar 28th, 2008 01:38:21 PM

Caution: Don't Let this Man Run Another Series By Himself! by bobbyjoe	Mar 28th, 2008 02:14:53 PM
In this version, it'll be revealed that people can't have babies anymore because the colossal godawfulness of Eick's "Bionic Woman" series was so bad it seeped into the atmosphere and killed all the ovaries in the world.
Another Show About How Much We Hate Ourselves by Roboteer	Mar 28th, 2008 02:15:27 PM
The source material on this was a political movie with a political agenda. So this is not inappropriate. These guys are one note wonders and similar in kind to all these pathetic attempts to demonize America and our military with dozens of lying crap movies, they will never stop no matter how much money they lose and how much audiences stay away in droves. Because the purveyors and distributors of such feel they're relevant. They can show up at cocktail parties with their Lib credentials and Gucci bags to flaunt. That they're making a difference focusing on failure of society that's made them millionaires. That in the end Government, definitely not THIS government, is the only answer to bring Utopia to the masses. And maybe we don't have it so bad now, but they're doing their part to make it look like it's absolute misery. The goal, to get the 'correct' people in charge of our lives. These folks who want change, but aren't too clear about how or what, I'll remove the suspense... They're coming after YOU, with Nanny Statism control of everyday activities, energy tribunals to limit your lifestyle, rationing and dictating your health care, resulting invasions of privacy on unimagined scales, and taxes, taxes, and more taxes because someone has to pay for all thet stuff they say is free. Everytime you hear the government is gonna give people stuff, look in the mirror and you'll see who's really paying for it. You and your children. If they want to demonize that Socialist brave new world, more power to them, but I know better. It's to wallow in negativity and self loathing just like they've done before with BSG. In the end, no matter how good the production values, fortunately people will not watch because they don't hate their lives, or their country.
That movie was AWFUL. by Mosquito March	Mar 28th, 2008 02:17:20 PM
Horrible expository dialogue, lackluster direction, thoroughly predictable plot. (In a world with no children, what else can they do but have somebody get pregnant?) Tha battle scenes were well-shot, but otherwise, this was an overrated stinker.
Roboteer = Animal Structure/Thunderballs by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 02:21:59 PM
Could it be any more obvious?
Mosquito March is 100% Correct by Luscious.868	Mar 28th, 2008 02:31:16 PM
I saw it and couldn't figure out what everybody was raving about? It was entirely predictable.
How bout an Ender by CrichtonAstronut	Mar 28th, 2008 02:41:09 PM

How bout an Ender's game mini series would that by CrichtonAstronut	Mar 28th, 2008 02:43:38 PM
not be awesome. I think a Children of Men mini could be good the movie certainly was. but who's gonna stand in for Clive Owen.
Re: expository dialogue by Mosquito March	Mar 28th, 2008 02:52:14 PM
Michael Caine and Clive Owen sitting on sofas and telling each other shit they already both know about the world they live in - in-between fart gags - is not my idea of brilliant writing. For all the head-scratchingly bizarre comparisons people make to BLADE RUNNER, Ridley Scott immersed you in his world and let the characters do what they do. They didn't have conversations about how the world ended up the way it did. The characters knew what was going on, and that was enough. It didn't pander to its audience like COM did. And they didn't have to add any "pull-my-finger" gags to play to the groundlings.
Me, Mosquito, and Luscious by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 02:53:23 PM
Are apparently retarded 16 year olds who are retarded and just didnt get it.
Children of Dune by pokadoo	Mar 28th, 2008 02:58:39 PM
That was ok!
lecter1914 by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 03:04:39 PM
Pretty much, yeah.
Lecter by Mosquito March	Mar 28th, 2008 03:08:04 PM
The irony is, there's nothing to "get". COM is a simple Point A-to-Point B journey movie where a guy protects a pregnant girl in a violent future where women don't get pregnant. That's it - that's all it is. There's no subtext to it, and Owen's character arc is simply "guy without faith gains faith through miraclous circumstances". Everything is right there on the surface.
NODE by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 03:09:27 PM
Well now that my 16 year old retard status has been re-affirmed....I'm going to go play the last backstreet boy album while watching the greatest movie ever..Alien Versus Predator.
Children of Men was a great movie, but by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 28th, 2008 03:10:11 PM
I don't see how the time when people realize the humans are sterile to the birth of the first kid in almost two decades would work. Anytime there's a premise where the humans must do X task or defeat Y disaster in order for the species to survive, they do it. In this case we already have the end, the movie itself. So will this series just be a bunch of episodes with the humanity falling apart, and falling into despair. I don't see how that will translate into a series.
Node - Please, tell us... by Mosquito March	Mar 28th, 2008 03:11:50 PM
...why it takes a big genius like yourself to "get" this film. Show us how you were able to plumb the allegedly rich depths of this movie and return with some kind of understanding that other people wouldn't "get".
Roboteer by samsquanch	Mar 28th, 2008 03:11:58 PM
No one cares what you think, stooge.
samsquanch by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 03:14:46 PM
Pay him no mind. That's just AICN's resident right-wing fascist, AnimalStructure.
Why Mansquito? by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 03:16:38 PM
So you can tell me I'm wrong all over again? I don't give a fuck what you think.
Node - If you didn't care what people thought about you... by Mosquito March	Mar 28th, 2008 03:27:42 PM
...you wouldn't be in here acting like a child on a playground, insulting people who don't like your favorite movie like you're 9-years-old. Grow up.
Who did I insult? by Node32774	Mar 28th, 2008 03:34:59 PM
A TBer who does nothing on this site except troll named "Danny Glovers Dickblood." He had it coming. Other than that who? I simply agreed with lector's self asessment that he has the taste of a reatrded 16 year old. And for the record it was your opinion of the MOVIE that I didn't give a fuck about, not myself. althoug hthe latter applies as well. Have a good one gents.
Man by Series7	Mar 28th, 2008 03:41:33 PM
I knew you all would like the cup the ball of Children of Men, but I didn't know that you would be willing to give it a reach around as well. The movie was good I'll admit that. But what held it back was the acting of Clive Owen. Sorry just thinking about him in movies now makes me bored. Could this guy look any more bored while acting? The only good things he has done was Sin City and The Driver. And just to show how dumb he is, he fucking made pretty much the exact same movie right after COM. Shoot 'Em Up almost the same plot, but with half the action and direction that COM did. On top of Clive Owens, I just got out of bed and haven't had my cup of coffee style of acting, you have Julianne Moore. Was she even in this movie? Or did they just CGI in clips of her from other movies? I totally understand what makes this movie good is the subtle shit, like the same way Forrest Gump won for best visual effects.
...COM...good? by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 28th, 2008 03:47:42 PM
...I seen it, and have to say technically it was good, but storywise...I dont know...cant remember nothin cept lady givin birth...did Clive die?...anyway, TV show might be good as long as their compellin characters and super long single take shots...
why is moving it out of the UK an 'interesting' move inofitself? by elab49	Mar 28th, 2008 03:51:26 PM
Just the move for the hell of it or some actual justification for another US centred show as the world goes to pot? You are aware there are civil liberty issues you can play on in countries that aren't in North America?
Michael Kane: THE KING OF EXPOSITORY DIALOGUE!!! by bswise	Mar 28th, 2008 04:13:23 PM
I love this movie, but it really does crack me up how, treasure that he is, Michael Caine basically plays the same role in Children of Men, The Prestige, and Batman Begins, that of EXPOSITION MAN! "See... (crank up the Cockney accent) 'Oo I am, is th'guy oo knows more 'an you, th' protag'nist, see? ... An' what we're 'avin' 'ere... is a conversation to advance th' plot a this movie... (etc.) There must be some contract stipulation that he gets to deliver these scenes sitting down, too.
They had a chance to rename it to "Children of Fucking Men" and by Stalin vs Predator	Mar 28th, 2008 04:31:59 PM
That is not prudent, sirs, not prudent at all.
Brilliantly observed, bswise. by football	Mar 28th, 2008 04:39:44 PM
I too thought the same thing about Caine, and as much as I liked the movie I think the series will be awful. It'll probably be Americanized and set in Los Angeles where the men are all in therapy and the women are having the latest cosmetic surgical bump inserts for that all-year-round "pregnant look". It'll suck!!
Yes, Lecter and Mosquito by TheRevenge	Mar 28th, 2008 04:47:04 PM
My girlfriend and I both thought COM was highly overrated, and we're huge film fans. I still don't understand the praise it gets. It wasn't badly done, and the performances were fine. And, yes, it was great to look at...but it was poorly paced and, quite frankly, really very predictable. Nothing that happened in that movie that we didn't see coming long before it did. It's really quite a simple film. Just shot really well. And people praised Julianne Moore for a performance that was barely even in the movie. She walked through the film and got heralded for it. Every time I tell people it's not a bad movie, but just overrated, they insult me as if I'm some sort of film hating moron. I really WANTED to love the film. I just did not.
I feel you Revenge by lecter1914	Mar 28th, 2008 05:16:40 PM
Same thing here. Its not that I hated it or jsut really didnt like it....but I didnt love it or even want to watch it a second time. And I saw it on DVD before I saw all teh fanboy love and was like..did we all watch the same film? Its almost like people look for reasons wrong with you for why you didnt like it. I swear I told this girl who graduated from film school right before it was released and she told me.."Its because youre not a woman and will never know about giving birth and therefore cant relate to a movie about the loss of that gift."
TOO SOON!!! by Pageiv	Mar 28th, 2008 05:25:59 PM
Never understood the title, should read the book i guess.
one of the best films EVER! by Maniaq	Mar 28th, 2008 05:36:16 PM
I totally agree with those ppl who understand in the years to come this film will become more and more highly regarded by more and more people - including people who didn't think it was that good on their first viewing. I remember I didn't "get" Bladerunner when I first saw it (on VHS) and it wasn't until seeing it on the BIG SCREEN that I finally appreciated what a great film it was - flaws and all. 2001 - a lot of people lose their patience with the Heywood Floyd first 30 mins or so and never quite make it to the sublime Beyond the Infinite finale.. The Prestige - seriously, if you didn't see that ending coming after about 10mins into the film - I ENVY YOU! I don't think this one is going to end up anywhere NEAR as highly regarded as CoM.
How do men have children? by Napoleon Park	Mar 28th, 2008 06:06:45 PM
I can understand how two women could have a child using in vitro fertilization and gene splicing, but if a man had a child wouldn't that stretch the hell out his thingy during childbirth?
Napoleon Park by ironic_name	Mar 28th, 2008 06:14:49 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3ck8nt http://tinyurl.com/295sjw http://tinyurl.com/2wqnft http://tinyurl.com/3ck8nt get with the times, man.
Napoleon, I was going to explain that it's a bible passage, by samsquanch	Mar 28th, 2008 06:35:38 PM
but instead, all I'm going to say is "ew."
I've been reading the praise and the criticism by samsquanch	Mar 28th, 2008 06:48:10 PM
and I have to say, I agree with a lot of the points on both sides. The thing that struck me about this film was just how brutally honest it seemed in it's tone- the story is one thing, the premise, characters, central conceit, editing, directing, etc. can be criticized and praised equally, they are not what makes it a remarkable film to me. The word 'dystopia' gets thrown around a lot, but this movie shows us how it could actually go down. Again, I stress, I'm not talking about the sterilization thing, although that's a cool point of departure for this kind of story. I'm talking more about the forced deportations, the collapse of civilization in slow, painful gradations, the withdrawal of the privileged classes into deeper and more closed islands of security and self-imposed ignorance, guerilla warfare and terrorism becoming worldwide, transcending boundaries that seem so invulnerable to us- like the boundaries between the first and third worlds, not to mention the banality of poverty, disease, tyranny, violence... It's a picture of the future that could very possibly come true. It's more likely than aliens with funny foreheads and replicators, anyway.
Loved the movie, but by flickchick85	Mar 28th, 2008 07:21:32 PM
Children of Men is one of the best movies I've ever seen, but I just don't see how this concept can make for a good series. I mean, based on the movie OR the book, neither scream "serialize me!" Plus, I really don't think David Eick is the one responsible for Galactica being great (if Bionic Woman was any indication), so I don't have high expectations for this. Still, I'll give it a shot. At least they're trying to put something interesting on TV, whether it's a colossal failure or not.
...actually... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 28th, 2008 08:10:55 PM
...I read a report of a man bein pregnant...granted, it was a female, but legally its a man now and its pregnant...weird...
Mosquito March - kill yourself by messi	Mar 28th, 2008 11:30:42 PM
I want to punch your mother.
one of the best lines from Michael Caine by Maniaq	Mar 29th, 2008 12:15:12 AM
about how the govt hands out suicide kits to anyone who wants one but pot is still illegal - I can SO see that happening (in this fictional account of a hypothetical future ;)
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ by TomBodet	Mar 29th, 2008 07:44:41 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
The end Battle was incredible by theycallmemrglass	Mar 29th, 2008 07:54:20 AM
All Owen was doing was passing by but what was incredible was that it was all one take. But I too had a problem with the film's resolution, it was too incomplete. Sure leave it to the imagination but that was too much to leave to imagination.
Either start earlier like a preuel. Same story but more by CrichtonAstronut	Mar 29th, 2008 09:16:17 AM
detail from the book. Or a sequel about the Human Project and what happens to the kid as he grows up. Either way, could be awesome. And yeajh Bionic Woman didn't work so well but given all the changes in writers and series runners I'm not sure how much of that was Eick's fault. Besides if Kubrick can make an Eyes Wide Shut surely we can forgive anyone else a Bionic Woman.
The "bored" behavior of Moore and Owen... by Roguewriter	Mar 29th, 2008 09:58:37 AM
... This is a world stagnant and dying. There IS nothing to get excited about anymore. The vast majority of human beings we meet in the film are resigned to being the last of the line... the end of humanity. Whatever period of chaos and outlandish behavior has (mostly) passed already (except for those part-frazy Omegas); what remains isquiet resignation. Owen (who is usually a little TOO stolid in his performances for my liking, agreed) was therefore PERFECT for the lead, and Moore was excellent as his quietly driven antagonist -- and that's what she is; she's the one who prods Theo into action against his will, both in her brief early scenes and in the shocking-and-yet-mundane way she exits the picture. Moore ANCHORS the movie; because it is her actions and her sacrifice that compels the antihero to act. They're both brilliant in such understated roles -- and yes, thank God for Michael Caine, who briefly provides some much-needed spark and levity to the proceedings. I tend to think older folks, especially parents, are more deeply affected (by and large, not universally) by this movie -- being a parent, and imagining the horror of losing that child, was much on my mind during CHILDREN OF MEN, and friends with kids told me the same. It's a deep, resonating -- and VERY WEIRD -- sci-fi flick. Not to everyone's tastes. But I think its subtle charms will endure and increase the movie's cult SF status, long after its amazing cutless sequences and epic battle staging are long eclipsed by later, more complex filmmaking tricks... Bring on the series. It's gotta be a 100x improvement on shit like PAINKILLER JANE, that's for sure. =)
Just what we need by snappy	Mar 29th, 2008 12:18:38 PM
Another TV show that imagines a dystopian future world with subversive elements fighting against oppression. This will suck donkey balls.
Child of Children of Men by MurderMostFowl	Mar 29th, 2008 12:35:05 PM
I really hope something good can come out of this. Anyone who thinks it should be set in America needs to quit the business right now. Yeah! I know! We'll set it in America, right? In L.A.! Yeah! Then we'll spin off a "New York" series.Ugh. I enjoyed COM very much, but I have to wonder how many people would have been singing its praises if it wasn't for the "baby being taken out of the building while soldiers realize there is hope for the world" scene. The rest of the movie without that seen was just ... .well... plain.
MurderMostFowl yeah such a plain movie by messi	Mar 29th, 2008 12:54:38 PM
the intro sequence was plain, so was the car chase, so was the tense scene fo trying to escape the farm, so was the intro to the refugee camp, the delivery of the baby, and the battle sequence. only the baby and the soldiers scene was great right? That is never usually cited as the memorable bits from the film you fuckcunt.
Great Scenes Don't Make a Great Movie by TheRevenge	Mar 29th, 2008 02:11:35 PM
But Messi, really well-filmed scenes don't make a great movie. COM is a great looking film, and the direction is great...but the actual story is rather predictable, and the plot is actually very simplistic. It's very well executed, but--yes--a very plain movie besides that. There was nothing surprising about that movie. It was just very, very well filmed. I don't think COM is a bad movie...just waaaaaay overrated.
Since when is a simplistic plot... by flickchick85	Mar 29th, 2008 02:41:10 PM
a bad thing? No Country for Old Men had a pretty darn simplistic plot, but I guess I believe it's the details that make the difference between a "plain" movie and a great one. I thought both NCFOM and COM were both simple, but brilliant, unforgettable movies, mainly because of the little things. Oh, and the little things like the acting and cinematography helped, too.
Children of Men - shakey cam? by NuteG	Mar 29th, 2008 02:56:39 PM
A lot of the film was hand-held, but to me absolutely nowhere near as shake as, say, "The Bourne Supremacy" - I'd say it was actually quite fluid and drew me into the reality of the situation. And "TheRevenge", your comment "It's very well executed" I agree with that, in the sense that part of the appeal of the movie was taking a very traditional, simple plot and executing it in a way that is un-Hollywood and more emotionally involving. I think the film is moving. As FlickChick85 says, great cinematography counts for a huge amount. I don't necessarily want plot, plot, plot. I want a culmination of story, character, visuals, score, etc, etc. In other words, a powerful cinematic experience.
Children of Idiots by mach6	Mar 29th, 2008 04:51:39 PM
I find the insinuation that those who didn't like CoM have no taste, possess a low IQ, or just "didn't get it" as intellectually insulting as I found the movie to be. Yes, the scenes were beautifully shot and well acted, but the movie and plot was so painfully generic and predictable, that the ultimate lack of payoff for having endured such a snooze-fest just pissed me off.
Children of Men/Shoot Em Up Crossover show by polyh3dron	Mar 29th, 2008 06:01:54 PM
Clive Owen has a different baby to save every week!
PolyH3dron by lecter1914	Mar 29th, 2008 06:41:09 PM
That was the funniest thing Ive read/heard all day and sadly I think that would be a pretty cool show if done as a self aware action comedy. Back to Children Of Men...well..I have nothing more to say. Okay film thats slightly overrated in my opinion and demands that anyone who didnt really think it was great be insulted in some way.
CoM will get little respect over time just like Gattaca by Rupee88	Mar 30th, 2008 01:06:50 AM
both two of the best sci-fi movies of the last 20 years but neither get enough respect.
I just got off the phone with Phyllis Diller... by Uncle Stan	Mar 30th, 2008 02:05:36 AM
...and she kept repeating "brains!" I have no idea was she was talking about.
Mach6 by NuteG	Mar 30th, 2008 03:19:26 AM
If people have tried to belittle others for not liking "Children of Men", then that is insulting. I love the movie, and I've said why in other discussions, but I wouldn't try to convince anyone.(I used to be pretty opinionated. I still am, but the idea of dictating to someone what they should or should not like is fundamentally flawed so I just don't do it anymore.) The reason the movie is gripping to me has nothing to do with IQ or intellectual reasons. It just got to me on a deeper emotional and visceral level than I was expecting. That's a very individual thing. Anyway, I'm sorry you didn't like the film, but if the TV series really is going to be different and more like the book, it may be worth a watch.
lensproject by NuteG	Mar 30th, 2008 03:25:18 AM
"It's the director that decides how to cover a scene" It depends how collaborative the directory and the cinematographer are.
NuteG by NuteG	Mar 30th, 2008 03:50:06 AM
"directory"?? I think I meant "director". Probably.
I liked COM, but never really bought it enough to love it. by FluffyUnbound	Mar 30th, 2008 09:00:22 AM
If the last baby was born 18 years ago, we have to assume the sterility was taking hold 20 years ago. And if there were virtually no births worldwide for 20 years and no births for 18, the population would crash. I can buy that there would be worldwide despair, and that governments would become brutalized in that atmosphere, but the whole poverty / refugees / environmental disaster / people jammed into housing projects element just didn't make any sense to me. If there were no births for that long, the world would start to sprout ghost towns.
Book question by Alientoast	Mar 30th, 2008 01:03:41 PM
I remember reading in the book that men became infertile. That never made much sense to me. Did all the frozen sperm get magically effected as well? Sure it might be a temp solution, but it would allow for more births! Ps: The movie rocked. Everyone on this site cries about everything. They remind me of those "hardcore music lovers" that refuse to listen to anything except garage SKA bands or whatever.
Messi I agree with your summary of Bladerunner by Maniaq	Mar 30th, 2008 09:28:07 PM
"really well-filmed scenes don't make a great movie ... a great looking film, and the direction is great...but the actual story is rather predictable, and the plot is actually very simplistic. It's very well executed, but--yes--a very plain movie besides that. There was nothing surprising about that movie. It was just very, very well filmed. " - wait - that WAS Bladerunner you were talking about right?
Children of Men, Bladerunner & THX-1138 by Teddy Artery	Mar 31st, 2008 08:46:35 PM
Would all be good material for intelligent science fiction series... uh, serieses?

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