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ONIMUSHA delayed? What's Christophe Gans up to, then?

silent hill by imascooby1985	Mar 27th, 2008 02:09:18 PM
was flawed but still a great adaptation. The tone carried over almost perfectly from game to film. He earned more cred from me with that one at least.
Seems this guy's thing is movies off of old Playstation games by Reel American Hero	Mar 27th, 2008 02:10:40 PM
Kind of weird, but alright, I'll run with it.
great, I'll be able to see Onimusha by Datascream	Mar 27th, 2008 02:17:46 PM
at least one year before the world ends. Suhweet!
SSX : The Movie by nolan bautista	Mar 27th, 2008 02:26:59 PM
Uber tricks w/ Colin Farell as Psymon!!
SILENT HILL was pretty friggin sweet by ClockWorker	Mar 27th, 2008 02:28:35 PM
good use of CG for horror style imagery
...no idea... by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 27th, 2008 02:29:33 PM
...what the story is about, but I seen Brotherhood of the Wolves in it, so I'm down...that was a cool movie with the coolest weapon ever...the bone-chain-sword...and the coolest "wolf" ever....
Usually Japanese feudal type films by skimn	Mar 27th, 2008 02:36:32 PM
such as Hero, House of Flying Bamboo, Curse Of The Lotus Dragon, et all, don't do anything for me. They all look the same. But throw in demons and otherworldly creatures and that'll make a difference.
He earned not only cred, but RESPECT with Silent Hill by SpencerTrilby	Mar 27th, 2008 02:37:36 PM
because not only his first films were FAR from being perfect (I personally think they sucked) but also because with Silent Hill he proved with a single film that 1/ Video game adaptations can be succesful both from an artistic AND economic POV 2/ a foreign director can work with americans without becoming a yes-man and 3/ even the most arrogant, self-important and ineffective director can reddem himself with points 1/ and 2/ I was really looking forward to this flick. I hope his next French period flick will be worth the delay.
Bring on Silent Hill 2 by Gungan Slayer	Mar 27th, 2008 02:44:46 PM
Been waiting for this sequel for a good while now. Say what you will about its problems, but I still say that in terms of adaptations of video game, it nailed the atmosphere, the tone and the style of the games, and I thought it was badass.
silent hill was so uneven by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 27th, 2008 03:01:38 PM
the atmosphere, mood, look and creatures were all there. The story on the other hand was kind of in shambles especially gearing towards the end...the best thing, SEAN BEAN!!!!!
Gans... by TroutMaskReplicant	Mar 27th, 2008 03:06:18 PM
When I watched Silent Hill and Brotherhood Of The Wolf, both films seemed to suffer from the same flaw - as they were meant to be heading towards the climax the entire film slowed down to a crawl, then started back up again. It fucks up the pacing. Also I didn't think much of the changes they made to the original mysterious Silent Hill cult. I think it was a cheap stab at American religious fundamentalism. Oh well...
SPOILER - Sean Bean makes it through the end by SpencerTrilby	Mar 27th, 2008 03:09:46 PM
and doesn't play a villain. And shares a scene with Kim FUCKIN Coates! What else do you need to make a good movie? Kidding aside, yeah the tone was perfect. And the movie plays more the disturbing vibe than the mindless gore, while not shying away from some great gore FX (the redhead skinned alive by Pyramide Head was yummy). My only fan complaint was that they felt necessary to alter the first game's atmosphere with the second game's pseudo psychanalitic mumbo-jumbo, while they toned down the police aspect which was so neat if you played in-depth. Nitpicking aside, that was - to me - one of the best Hollywood horror flicks in years.
Did anyone else... by TroutMaskReplicant	Mar 27th, 2008 03:14:59 PM
...find the end credits music completely ill advised? It was meant to be a creepy and lonely ending and then this cheesy rock track just bursts through...;-p
silent hill was cool until... by Dawhiteguy	Mar 27th, 2008 03:23:37 PM
gans enlisted backup dancers for scary nurses. dont get me wrong they were sexy. yet they should of had more of a clive barker appeal.
Japanese film Made in China?? by C00L DUD3	Mar 27th, 2008 03:34:33 PM
I mean...obviously cheaper, but damn...
Gans can do better than videogame adaptations by CuervoJones	Mar 27th, 2008 03:38:03 PM
I like his style, but i´m waiting for his Great Movie.
Question: Do we really need to abbreviate titles by Reel American Hero	Mar 27th, 2008 03:51:33 PM
With like two words in them? That's just lazyness for the sake of being lazy.
Silent Hill... by The Bandit	Mar 27th, 2008 03:53:06 PM
was the best game to movie ever. It was also one of the best horror flicks out in a long time. I'm a huge fan of the games and while yes there were changes and alterations to the story here and there, the over all film we got was still great. I'm excited for SH2 but I hope Gans directs again or is at least very heavily involved. Hes already proved he gets the game and gets the SH world and I think itd be hard for somebody else to try and recreate the vibe of that universe he's so wonderfully done already. And SH isnt something you could half-ass or do on the cheap and have it work. The games have a wealth of movie(s) potential if handled right and could make for some great disturbing horror. Shame about Onimusha, another of my fave series, hope Gans still ends up with that at some point.
Basically agree on SH--good aspects but flawed by kevred	Mar 27th, 2008 04:36:27 PM
The tone and atmosphere of the film was really good, I thought, but the CG effects just took me out of it whenever they showed up. The practical stuff was way more scary. But, what do I know--I thought the scariest moment in the whole movie was when the two costumed henchmen with pipes started attacking a certain character. More proof to me that CG, in this context, just shows you what it's scarier not to see.
agreed, Silent Hill was the best video game movie so far, althou by GLENN_THE_TOOL	Mar 27th, 2008 05:35:59 PM
the film looked great and captured the look and feel of the games and Radha Mitchell was great, but the exposition-heavy climax was a big "What?" oh, and the Sean Bean subplot felt tacked on, as it the producers felt an audience for a video game adaptation wouldn't like such a female-dominated cast. at least it tried to be more complicated instead of the other much dumber, simplistic video game movies.
the first 2/3s of Silent Hill was amazing by BMacSmith	Mar 27th, 2008 05:37:32 PM
it was almost the first good video game movie, then the last third turned into a shitty Hellraiser horror knockoff. THe first part nailed the tone and confusion of the game. I suspect the Producers were too fucking stupid to get it changed it all up (and ruined it).
Good news... by Tourist	Mar 27th, 2008 05:40:23 PM
This new project sounds much better than another shitty video game adaptation. I don't know how closely Silent Hill hewed to the screenplay, but if it was close, than you can blame Roger "I kill people" Avary for that shoddy, lazy and confusing mess. Because, on an aesthetic level, it was great. Beautifully shot and designed. But it was such a disastrous and crappy mess that it pretty much ruined any joy that could be wrought from it.
Is Gans the new Gilliam? by BMacSmith	Mar 27th, 2008 05:42:32 PM
seeems good at making beautiful disasters
I DO want to hear more about a second movie! by Johnno	Mar 27th, 2008 05:50:18 PM
Love the games, love 'em! Heck I'm still going through the PSP game at the moment and it's awesome! Basically what's essential is that whoever's working on the new flick maintain the artistic direction and chilly atmosphere! And the music too! Heck, they don't have to adapt teh games stories, the wonderful thing is that they can even write up their own one with new characters that take place in the town, sort of what Silent Hill 2 and 4 were... They can keep making as many films like that as they want as long as they're superb!
Brotherhood of the Wolf by TheHumanBeingAndFish	Mar 27th, 2008 06:04:29 PM
I love "Brotherhood of the Wolf", I don't get what people dislike about it. Oh well. Haven't sen "Silent Hill", but I'm looking forward to this one.
Video Game Movies ALWAYS Suck!!! by ZeroCorpse	Mar 27th, 2008 06:26:31 PM
Name ONE good videogame movie! I challenge ANYONE HERE to name JUST ONE good videogame movie! It CANNOT BE DONE! Don't bother making Onimusha. It will suck.
I'll name one... by SoWasRed2012	Mar 27th, 2008 06:51:37 PM
Besides Silent Hill I mean, which stands up pretty well to most other recent horror movies (I don't care what anyone says, Red Pyramid is straight out of a fucking nightmare and he's all the scarier in the movie for being used so minimally within the film) - Street Fighter 2, the animated movie. That film is the shit.
I AGREE - BRING ON SILENT HILL 2!! by 33.3rpm	Mar 27th, 2008 07:06:24 PM
I thought the biggest problem with the first SH was the fact that the lead (Rhada) was 100% reactive. All she did was run away from stuff and never got to kick any ass. Having said that, I thought the movie was weird, fun and dark. I would see a sequel opening weekend. Saying Gans lost "cred" is presumptuous and false.
Avery... by uVa	Mar 27th, 2008 07:08:43 PM
would be the one to blame for the failings of Silent Hill. I love the film (being a big fan of the games) but I can see why people say it falls apart come act 3. This had nothing to do with Gans though - it was all there in the script. Gans' visual style and the awesome production design / creature work held this film together, as well as (of course) thr Akira Yamaoka score.
So we are agreed - by drwilliamweir	Mar 27th, 2008 07:12:40 PM
Silent Hill wasn't a disaster that lost geek cred, it was a near miss that gained cred? /would be impressed if Quint changed the editorial
Quint, you're way off by Sick Fixx	Mar 27th, 2008 07:44:20 PM
Silent Hill was amazing. I saw it three times in the theater and developed a minor obsession with it because I thought the story and atmosphere were so beautiful.
Silent Hill by ur-vile	Mar 27th, 2008 07:57:33 PM
definately the best vg live-action adaptation. Flawed, but good. I'm curious where they go from here, seeing as they borrow from 1's story and used 2's creatures. Part of me says they should just adapt 4 and not tie it in to the previous film. I just hope whoever they have direct knows the series well. Honestly, I'm skepticial the 2nd movie will be that good, but we'll see. Whatever the case, I hope they continue to use Akira's music for the score.
Offtopic, but R.I.P., Abby Mann... by Pennsy	Mar 27th, 2008 08:08:08 PM
http://tinyurl.com/3bo32k. He was the screenwriter for Judgement at Nuremburg among many, many others.
Never really cared for the Silent Hill franchise by Stalkeye	Mar 27th, 2008 09:30:40 PM
..but the Movie was better than I expected.Not better than BOTW, but still worth a rental.Onimusha..well I can never finsih any of those games..I'd rather see a live action adaptation based on Capcom's devil May Cry instead of 'musha.
Crying Freeman... by CeejayNightwing	Mar 27th, 2008 09:46:42 PM
Was another of Christophe Gans adaptations from comic to screen this time, and along with Brotherhood of the Wolf they are the best movies Marc Dacascos ever starred in. This director has a lot of credibility with me regardless of what the editorial might say, he always delivers an entertaining flick. If he does get around to doing Onimusha, then I hope he manages to secure the ultra cool Takashi Kaneshiro for the starring role as he is in some of the early video games.
a video game movie I liked by mr ahole ramirez	Mar 27th, 2008 10:15:55 PM
...but had nothin to do wit the actual game was...Super Mario Bros....no idea why, but it was ok to me...always wanted a sequel
you know... by Quint	Mar 27th, 2008 10:33:17 PM
It's not my opinion that he lost street cred. Every time I've posted positive words on the film, which I do like, despite its flaws, I get slammed in talkback. That's where the impression that I was in the minority in liking the movie came from. And Tourist, I can't say with complete authority, but what I hear is that Avary's original script was pretty different and that it was altered during production. That's the scuttlebutt. I'd love to read Avary's original draft to see if there's any validity to that because I do usually like Avary's writing.
Street Fighter 2 ?!?! by ZeroCorpse	Mar 27th, 2008 11:53:13 PM
First of all, it's ANIME, and anime sucks ass. Second, it wasn't very interesting. A lot of the standard still-image fights with motion lines around the characters, and lots of standing around talking about fighting. Bleh. The only reason anybody thinks SF2 anime was any good was because of the Chun Li shower/rape scene. Somehow that made it 'deep' (and had boobies! huh huh huh!) and that's the only part people seem to remember. Otherwise, the plot was not much better than your average Steven Seagal movie. FACE IT: All video game movies suck. They pander to the dumbest members of the audience, or they just use the franchise to cash in, knowing fans of the game will pay up to see the plot they already know like the back of their hand, but performed by people who don't give a shit.
shenmue by cekma	Mar 28th, 2008 01:05:19 AM
lets make shenmue a movie or mini series. Best video game story I have ever seen easily lense its self to film/tv
Hey, TOURIST yer fuck! by MelvintheMopBoy	Mar 28th, 2008 01:13:04 AM
Here's some words from, as you called him, Roger "I kill people" Avary: "Believe me, I have seen firsthand the fragility of our existences here in this world. Don't waste any time in telling those around you that you love them, for it is the doom of man that we forget, even briefly, what is most important in life. In the end, love is the only thing that's real or that matters." Try and reel in your cold-hearted attempts at coolness just a little, will you? Oh, and fucking grow up while you're at it.
Glad to see... by CENOBITE	Mar 28th, 2008 01:24:31 AM
So many Silent Hill lovers here. Like BRAZIL, BladeRunner and Buckaroo Banzi which were panned at the theatres... I think Silent Hill was a sleeper hit and loved how close it was to the game. Amazing stuff. I only pray that a sequel, a GOOD one, and Silent Hill V for the next gen systems being made by an American company are good.
Silent Hill was HALF good. by ZeroCorpse	Mar 28th, 2008 01:33:12 AM
But the last half of it was a load of dingo's kidneys.
Anime sucks ass? by CuervoJones	Mar 28th, 2008 02:31:27 AM
Why? Porco Rosso sucks ass? No. And tes, Silent Hill is the only video game movie that is a good movie.
Keep him the hell away from SILENT HILL 2!! by MaxTheSilent	Mar 28th, 2008 03:24:11 AM
That movie was clearly the product of a filmmaker so in love with the game, but with asolutely NO IDEA how to translate it to film. Starting with the fatal mistake of shooting it 2.35:1. It is a 1.85:1 movie if ever I've seen one. Merely replicating the game on the screen is not good enough. And Roger Avary should be beaten for submitting that truly wretched script. SILENT HILL is without question THE worst 'missed opportunity' ever filmed. And I anxiously await which music video hack they hire for the sequel.
What trhe fuck are you all smoking? Silent Hill SUCKED! by Bass Bastardson	Mar 28th, 2008 04:40:56 AM
Seriously, are you all on crack? I was so excited for Silent Hill and I could not have been more let down. I would go into the myriad ways in which it failed miserably but it is way too late and I need some sleepy time. You are all fucking CRAZY.
ZeroCorpse by SoWasRed2012	Mar 28th, 2008 05:29:13 AM
Yes, Street Fighter 2. No, anime does not suck ass and no, the shower scene isn't the only scene people remember (apparently it is for you, but whatever). I'm championing SF2 since it's the only video game to movie that is 100% faithful to the source - I never said the plot was anything to write home about, but then the game never had much of a plot to speak of, when I watch a Street Fighter movie I want to see lots of one-on-one out-and-out scrapping, which there was buckets of. Furthermore, I'm gonna put another TWO suggestions forward for 'decent video game turned movie'; Mortal Kombat (had the sense to just rip off Enter The Dragon instead of doing whatever the live action Street Fighter thought it was doing and was a lot of fun for it) and Final Fantasy 7: Advent Children which, as far as I could tell, not only didn't 'pander to the dumbest members in the audience', it also didn't 'use the franchise to cash in, knowing fans of the game will pay up to see the plot they already know like the back of their hand' on account of it being a follow-up to the game, and a damn good one at that.
He already made crying freeman..buy it on ebay. by knowthyself	Mar 28th, 2008 07:38:00 AM
Cause its been done.
Bass Bastardson by CuervoJones	Mar 28th, 2008 08:46:56 AM
I smoked Morocco hashish the day i saw Silent Hill. Good stuff.
Silent Hill is a Masterpiece by TheLastCleric	Mar 28th, 2008 09:00:39 AM
The story is a bit muddled but who cares? Visually the film is stunning and it’s one of the few horror films released in years to pack a dick and a pair of testicles. Silent Hill was one of the most unapologetically horrific films I’ve ever seen, replete with nasty, surreal monsters ranging from burning babies to those awesome, fetishistic nightmare nurses. While Gans had to radically alter the ending due to budget constraints I personally loved it, especially the image of the little girl little dancing in a shower of blood and viscera as she extracts revenge. It’s also got one of the bleakest resolutions of any film is recent memory (save perhaps the Mist) so overall I consider it a triumph for a genre that is rife with Japanese remakes (which aren’t scary and never will be) and bubblegum horror films for the kids. I also love Brotherhood of the Wolves, which is just pure fun on several levels. Gans has some serious talent and Onimusha could be awesome if it ever gets past pre-production.
The story is a bit muddled, but who cares? by skimn	Mar 28th, 2008 11:45:13 AM
Ummm I do. Nightmarish imagery alone does not make great, or even good horror film.
To each their own skimm by TheLastCleric	Mar 28th, 2008 01:10:23 PM
I think the story was solid, just a bit convoluted. That happens when trying to jam so much mythology into one film but in my opinion it really didn't detract from the overall experience. I'd also remind you that some of the best horror films rely on relatively simple premises that are bolstered by creature design, ambiance, tone, etc. So with all due respect I flatly reject your theory that nightmarish imagery alone can't make a good horror film, even though I think Silent Hill has more than merely the visuals working for it. As an example of what I am referring to, I would submit that the success of Kubrick’s The Shinning is largely hinged on the visuals because frankly, his interpretation of King’s novel borders on incoherency.
Cleric by skimn	Mar 28th, 2008 02:34:21 PM
But The Shining is like a model of coherency next to Silent Hill. A good example of imagery propelling the simplest of plots would be Alien. I have to admit it's been a while since I have seen Silent Hill, so I can't get into specifics, but I thought it was much too much style over substance. Other than that, the best attempt at a video game adaptation so far.
The Janitor!/Akira Yamaoka by ur-vile	Mar 28th, 2008 03:41:28 PM
I forgot to give credit to Gans for The Janitor. That part really creeped me out the first time. And I love how it pans back to him for a few seconds after the encounter. I also loved how they used the original game music by Akira Yamaoka pretty much unchanged as the score. I hope the team behind Castlevania is paying attention to this one. Like I said, it's not perfect (for example, I hated the Sean Bean scenes) and the ending "flashback" was meh) but by far the best video game adaptation put to screen. I think the haterz are being way too harsh on this one. But you can't please everyone, I suppose.
I'm now convinced that anime reached out... by Johnno	Mar 28th, 2008 04:19:01 PM
And raped ZeroCorpse in the shower... As for good video game movies, Mortal Kombat was good, not only was it very faithful to the game, it was also competent and entertaining with a kick ass soundtrack! Anime has also given us the street fighter film, and Advent Children which is by far the craziest action movie I've ever had the pleasure of seeing and I haven't even played any of the ff7 games... And as for Silent Hill the movie being convuluted? Nah man that shit was practically spelt out at the end. And I for one didn't like that portion even though I love the film, that's kinda where it falls apart. I hear all this stuff about Avery's script being changed and Gans running out of budget or not being able to finish the film and thus having to rush the ending... heck I suppose there's credibility to it as if you watch the making ofs and stuff there are glimpses of entire scenes being shot that aren't even in the final film. Who knows? But if anything Silent Hill should be convoluted, the games certainly are and the fun comes when you try to piece everything together. That's the sort of stuff that garners a cult following which would be very appropriate for this sort of franchise.
Sucks Onimusha is Delayed by bottombrick	Mar 28th, 2008 10:55:49 PM
And that kind of eye for visuals from the guy who made Silent Hill could be fucking awesome in a Demonic viscera coated Samurai drama. First 2/3s of Silent were great, in tone and visuals, and the last 1/3 was a tremendous pay off for the right kind of audience (obviously not those religiously inclined). I definitely second Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 2 as great video game adaptions, Street Fighter 2 is the shit.
Claire from Lost is in it? Make the damn movie! by Knuckleduster	Mar 29th, 2008 05:38:37 PM
Can't say I'm a big fan of Brotherhood of the Wolf. It had a few cool fight scenes and shitty CGI. I mostly remember being bored. Crying Freeman was dumb-but-fun, though.
make Onimusha CG by cblades	Apr 20th, 2008 08:22:28 PM
if that have all the 3D previz done, that can should able to turn that into a complete cg.

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