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Moriarty’s One Thing I Love Today! HBO’s JOHN FROM CINCINNATI!

meh by Internet Thug	Mar 26th, 2008 06:50:13 AM
never watched it
Total agreement, Mori... by Roguewriter	Mar 26th, 2008 06:55:30 AM
I was skeptical after the first episode, but two more in, and my wife and I were hooked through the bag. It's definitely about as far from DEADWOOD as you can get, thematically and stylistically, and equally great. I just wish Milch would quit fucking around with us and properly finish out a project. JOHN FROM CINCINNATI is one of those obscure wonders that will haunt this fan of great offbeat entertainment.
should this be coaxial? by RokurGepta	Mar 26th, 2008 07:07:34 AM

Great. by Knuckleduster	Mar 26th, 2008 07:09:41 AM
Now I have to go check it out.
Great fuckin' opening. by rbatty024	Mar 26th, 2008 07:12:58 AM
The Joe Strummer song matched with the surfing footage is sublime. Absolutely perfect.
No, RokurGepta, coaxial is only for Whedon/Thomas/Palladino item by tonagan	Mar 26th, 2008 07:18:38 AM
Nothing else.
cancelling this was very cowardly by prbt	Mar 26th, 2008 07:30:15 AM
It could've been as big a piece of television history as Six Feet Under. It 20, no, 40 years time, people will still be discussing JfC.
IN not IT.. poxy talkback system by prbt	Mar 26th, 2008 07:30:49 AM

I actually watched every episode of JFC...... by RokurGepta	Mar 26th, 2008 07:31:19 AM
I really liked the show.... with the exception of the last 2-3 episodes..... Rebecca D. Makes me Horny needs to be in more projects, I fucking love her work...
The Greastest Show to not make it by ZoeFan	Mar 26th, 2008 07:36:40 AM
But I understand, most people aren't about sitting back, taking everything in and figuring it out. I would assume most people that disliked JFC, didn't like/understand the Sopranos Episode "Join the Club".
Loved this show - glad it only went 1 season. by beastie	Mar 26th, 2008 07:36:58 AM
This one season seamed to tell a perfect story. Getting deaper, in my opinion, might take away from the mystery.
Huh.. by bob oblaw	Mar 26th, 2008 07:44:19 AM
Guess i should have given this a try.. damn.
Needs more Johnny Fever by ChrisTuckersOnlyFan	Mar 26th, 2008 08:08:40 AM

WKRP From Cincinnati by Mr Spork	Mar 26th, 2008 08:20:43 AM
Good show.
I'm glad I caught this in the first run by theredtoad	Mar 26th, 2008 08:26:17 AM
It works so well as a complete series, and Mori you point out everything good about the show. I like the mystery this show presents. How the different characters handle the different miracles is interesting to watch unfold, and their reactions shape the overall story. Excellent writing and casting.
Sounds good, but for the same reason by norrinrad	Mar 26th, 2008 08:28:12 AM
I don't think I will be watching it. I don't need another show I love to never have new episodes.
JFC, Carnivale, Deadwood by Bumpasses Dawg	Mar 26th, 2008 08:49:11 AM
HBO has a real problem with bringing us very interesting, well cast, deep stories then pulling the rug out from under us after we are finished. I never began to watch Big Love, because I didn't want to get burned again. HBO is a big tease. Entourage and Curb Your Enthusiasm are all they have going for them right now... as far as the dramas are concerned, they want Sopranos lightning in a bottle or nothing. I am getting far choosier with HBO as far as benefit of the doubt, because I feel burned by Deadwood and Carnivale.
BEFORE we are finished by Bumpasses Dawg	Mar 26th, 2008 08:50:02 AM
Is what I meant to say...
lets face it by ZO	Mar 26th, 2008 08:54:52 AM
this show stunk to high heaven milch forget how to tell a coherent story apparently after deadwood
ZO, where do you get off with "Let's face it?" by Roguewriter	Mar 26th, 2008 09:11:53 AM
You're the arbiter of all art now? This show was fucking genius, and it was just getting warmed up when the plug was pulled (never fails -- fuck HBO; with this gone and THE WIRE ended, that subscription is worthless). You'll get that, ZO, when you're a bit older and understand the world's a whole lot bigger than your "command center." .... "Mother of God, Cass-Kai." Goes right up there with "HOW'S ANNIE?!" as one of the greatest last lines ever in a too-short-lived TV series...
Fuckin' HBO Indignities by Al Swearengen	Mar 26th, 2008 09:20:05 AM
If that cocksucker, Milch, ever makes his way back to fuckin' Deadwood, he better have Bullock backin' his play. Cause if he has any future intention of completing his most masterful and worthy fuckin' endeavor, he'll have to first answer to me as to how he dropped the ball in the first fuckin' place. And as he sits across from me in my office, pissing himself, I have little doubt my mood will appear most wrathful from his present vantage.
Swearengen is God. by dpc01	Mar 26th, 2008 09:41:03 AM
I kept expecting to see John's often-mentioned Father to show up, who of course would have to be played by Ian McShane.
Have to kinda agree with ZO by Nabster	Mar 26th, 2008 09:45:13 AM
It certainly possessed this weird, off-beat quality, but the story was far too fractured to follow coherently. I loved Deadwood watched every episode, however, watching JFC became a grind after the first few episodes. At the end of the day this show did not succeed in telling a story, especially when you consider David Milch himself had difficulty describing what the show was about, to the point where one might wonder if he himself knows what it was about.
Deadwood was not pessimistic by Mo_Green	Mar 26th, 2008 09:47:20 AM
It was a beautifully optimistic look at the power of community in America. Milch basically argues throughout the show that even when there are evil men present, the institution of the functioning community brings out the best in everyone.
Song of Ice and Fire! HBO has the future of television. by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Mar 26th, 2008 10:02:14 AM

Awesome show by sfgeek	Mar 26th, 2008 10:06:40 AM
Loved it...was a weird and fucked up show, but it made me happy and confused after watching it. I wish they would continue on with the story, but like M I'm sort of glad they aren't because it allows the mind to wonder and that is what it is all about. Praise to John!
The show was iffy... by Mastastic	Mar 26th, 2008 10:19:47 AM
I liked some things about the show and disliked other aspects.
Node32774 by Al Swearengen	Mar 26th, 2008 10:24:33 AM
Legendary status is obtained by staying true to one's own fuckin' nature. And I do abide mine.
Greatest main titles ever by Evil Hobbit	Mar 26th, 2008 11:35:57 AM
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Fingers still crossed for Deadwood tv movies by waggy	Mar 26th, 2008 11:36:36 AM
Yeah, chances are we won't get them, but I loved that show and wish it had a proper conclusion. Speaking of conclusions, HBO needs a new drama. Deadwood, Sopranos, Rome, and The Motherfucking Wire was quite easily the best line up of tv shows ever.
John MIGHT be still in the game... by The Alienist	Mar 26th, 2008 11:46:38 AM
When Austin Nichols did a short guest arc on "Friday Night Lights" Ausiello (or one of his ilk) did an interview and asked him about "JFC". Nichols told him that Milch had told him from the beginning what and who John was and had contacted him recently to tell him not to spill, that Milch had come up with a possibly new way of telling and completing the story. Haven't heard anything since, but as a true true believer of this amazing show (Moriarty's review mad me cry a little) I won't stop the faith.
Not only was this show absolutely wretched... by SleazyG.	Mar 26th, 2008 12:09:23 PM
...but it highlighted all the most annoying ticks about the writing on "Deadwood". The repetitive use of certain phrases lent them less meaning, not more, and I really really wish somebody would teach the writers how to swear. I've never heard such uncomfortable, unnatural cussing. Many of the performances were stilted or came off as phony, particularly the supposed tough guy drug deal with the shades, who was corny as hell. Didn't buy him for a second. The gay hotel owner felt like a caricature, and I'm sick of gay caricatures. And fuckin' Rebecca De Mornay? Christ on a crutch, what a shitty performance. When you're out-acted by a pro surfer turned actress, honey, it's time to get outta the game. I watched every episode as it aired, and every week I wondered why. Then I got to that pointless, meandering, incomprehensible monologue from Luke Perry at the end of the final episode, and I realized why I was watching: because I'd clearly done something wrong and needed to be punished, though lord knows what could have been severe enough to deserve that dreck. I'm sick of people talking about the "poetry" of the dialogue on "Deadwood" and "J from C". There's no poetry, and it's not Shakespearean: it's overwrought, pretentious claptrap. Frankly, Milch needs to stay away from TV for a while and get his shit together.
I have no interest in this by kolchak	Mar 26th, 2008 12:17:00 PM
Bring on John Adams.
SleazyG... by Roguewriter	Mar 26th, 2008 12:23:10 PM
You know all poetry doesn't have to rhyme, right?
Oh, I'm well aware poetry doesn't have to rhyme. by SleazyG.	Mar 26th, 2008 12:57:03 PM
Apparently, it also doesn't have to be any fucking good at all, base on "John From Cincinatti".
SleazyG. by Al Swearengen	Mar 26th, 2008 01:15:57 PM
I suggest you rewatch some of my monologues...especially the ones where I'm getting my prick sucked by one of my whores. If'n you don't find them poetic, perhaps I can interest you in a meetin' with Wu's fuckin' pigs.
JFC Sucked! Finish Deadwood Instead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by crackerfarmboy	Mar 26th, 2008 01:24:23 PM
Seriously JFC was terrible. If you liked it then you like pretentious attempts at art. It's almost as if Milch was daring us every week to try and make sense out of such utterly boring, stupid, and ultimately pointless nonsense. Fuck you Milch! Finish Deadwood or stay out of my life!
crackerfarmboy... by ZoeFan	Mar 26th, 2008 02:22:39 PM
I wouldn't go as far as to call JFC art. However, what I would say is that the show is VERY sublime, symbolic and metaphorical. Especially in it's dialog. This means 1 of 2 things for the viewer. The viewer watches JFC, doesn't get it. And thinks it's crap. Or the viewer watches, understands it, and loves it. And if one understands the show a whole new meaning opens up to the viewer. Which in turn adds more enjoyment to the show. I'm not saying one way is better than the other. I'm also not saying I'm smarter than anyone. I just happen to be one of the people that totally understood what was going on and explained it to others. Which in turn added to their enjoyment. I totally understand why someone wouldn't and would hate the show as a result. P.S., it wasn't Milch's fault that Deadwood was ended prematurely.
I never said I didn't understand it. by SleazyG.	Mar 26th, 2008 02:32:37 PM
I said I didn't like it. Also? Totally Milch's fault "Deadwood" ended early. He moved on to "JFC", lost all interest in "Deadwood", and didn't pursue the followup at all. In fact, I seem to recall an interview where he stated flat out he was far more into "JFC" than "DW" and didn't care much about going back to it.
fuck JFC by logicalnoise01	Mar 26th, 2008 02:33:50 PM
Fuck milch and fuck HBO once deadwood was canceled I stopped getting HBO and now I even stopped getting cable. I just download(or netflix) anything I want to watch. I'd buy the DVDS by HBO rapes people on those too.
Premature ending to Deadwood by ZoeFan	Mar 26th, 2008 03:23:16 PM
What happened with that was the executives told Milch they would let him make his Deadwood movies. However, at the same time they greenlit JFC. Then at the last second, did a 180 on the Deadwood movies (production on JFC had already began). So at that point Milch couldn't do anything. Milch even tried to finance it himself. That's a WAY too summed up version. However, that's the gist of what happened.
really liked this. by imageburn13	Mar 26th, 2008 03:35:21 PM
And i started watching from the 2nd episode. It was like having a hammer dropped on your head from 5 feet up and watching the results.
I completely agree… by The Heathen	Mar 26th, 2008 03:43:31 PM
Well written, Mori.
I almost loved the first half of the season by Charlie Murphy	Mar 26th, 2008 04:31:59 PM
then it all kinda fell apart for me. maybe because I'd watched the first half on demand over a day or two, then had to wait a week in between the rest to air. there's a scene at the end of i think episode six where all the characters converge on the motel parking lot that i think was the turning point for me... huge wtf... i'll probably pick up the dvd, and try it again, as i'm a big Deadwood and Milch fan.
Go cry on yer beeeeg pillow! by fiester	Mar 26th, 2008 04:53:16 PM
This show sucked ass and I'm glad it's dead.
fuck this fuck HBO fuck you fuck me fuck fucking by jesuschrist	Mar 26th, 2008 05:49:52 PM
fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck. this show sucks. you suck. I suck. suck suck. suck fuck. fuck fuck. this show is great. this show sucks. you didn't get it. I did too. no story. great story. you're dumb. no, you're dumb. mac. pc. coke. pepsi. hillary. obama. fuck you fuck me. fuck him. fuck her. milch. filch. hack. crack. suck. fuck.
This show blew so hard by memento108	Mar 26th, 2008 06:46:47 PM
I like to think i'm a smart guy, I really do. But i've watched and loved many dramas but none ever came quite so close to making me stand right (quite literally) at the tv screaming "WHAT THE FUCK!" on a consistent basis. This show never knew what it wanted to do and I didn't care for anyone except Ed O'Neill. Alright, maybe i'd give it a second chance...but seriously, the most confusing and unrewarding show i've ever tried to watch.
i did not understand this show. by frankenfickle	Mar 26th, 2008 06:56:57 PM
i enjoyed this show.
given to fly by uVa	Mar 26th, 2008 08:15:22 PM
by pearl jam. that song and this show are practically meant for each other.
Given to FLy, remember it as being awesome but cam't remember it by Stormwatcher	Mar 26th, 2008 11:53:00 PM
Does that make sense? Its like a lightbulb going off and then bursting. Now I have to go to itunes to hear it. Thanks!
I love the "If you didn't like then you're not smart enough to u by crackerfarmboy	Mar 27th, 2008 05:51:42 PM
I understood it just fine: It was stupid, boring, pointless, and 100% without any direction. If you want to call that good writing then go ahead; but I completely disagree.
Pointless by TDavis	Mar 29th, 2008 10:26:05 AM
If you create something that no one understands, you will always have some people claim to understand it and call it "art". This show was a disaster from frame one.
hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NOPE by birdy birdman	Apr 7th, 2008 12:44:50 AM
I recall while watching episode 3 of this show with my friend i turned to him and offered my prediciton that JFC would be remembered as the worst television show of all time. This strange hunch quickly developed into a certainty as the show went painfully onwards. The phrase that comes to mind here is "hoist by [his] own petard", which poor david milch most certainly has been by way of his inextricable assosciation with this show. If you watch the special features on deadwood season 2 disc 2 you'll notice Milch's preoccupation with staging an episode, or perhaps the entire format of a show "operatically". WELL he certainly accomplishes this but due to the fact that the subject matter is woefully unclear and at times laughably over the top and most often just very stupid, "operatic" quickly becomes "painful to watch". I have watched every episode of the show, and God help me david milch really needs to go back to rehab. The language that supported the authentic and unique feel of deadwood carried over to this smoldering turd of a concept show about surfers sounds so bizarre and forced not even the most intellectually haughty of us can stomach it. A great idea to start with, for sure--target that HBO demographic of middle aged men with a show about a super cool middle aged man who is not only MARRIED to rebecca demornay (giving a performance of no less quality than one could possibly expect of an 80s trash queen vying for critical acclaim) and banging a 20something on the side. As for the character of john, seriously what the hell was even going on. Monads? This show made twin peaks look like msnbc. Or maybe even Fox News. I'm feeling nostalgic so i'll point to three sequences that come to mind that people may be talking about 20 years down the road, as the stupidest shit they had ever seen in their entire god damn lives. 1.)The community ensemble dream sequence in which john, speaking with all the articulation of "go-dog-go" narrates his vision of a better world complete with graphic descriptions of pederasty, mob violence, and drug addiction. 2.)Luke Perry's (God love him it was seriously great to see him on that show, absolutely not kidding) "emmy speech" in which he berates his minion from one side of a hotel door with a severe flourish of melodrama that is probably floating somewhere over the north atlantic right now. 3.)THE UTTERLY INEXPLICABLE TWO MINUTE LONG SMASH CUT SEQUENCE of Perry's minion, the afforementioned 20something bimbo, editiing skate videos and pacing around her hotel room. I really had to turn away, I felt embarassed for Mr. Milch. One could also tack on any of the times rebecca demornay spoke or moved or was not naked, any of the strange and inexplicable and often depressing deadwood cameos, or the very character of john himself, at first a curious novelty but QUICKLY becoming a barney the dinosaur-eque finger wagger, preaching obscure morality with a smug grin that can only mean "holy shit i cant believe you morons are paying 30 dollars a month to watch this shit". I hope the DVD includes a secret feature where you get to see an alternate cut of the show in which john gets stabbed by mexican gang members for 2 hours straight. It would have a lot more artistic merit than this sad and senseless jumble of the detritus that clutters David Milch's brain.
WORST TV SHOW...EVER by birdy birdman	Apr 7th, 2008 12:45:58 AM
needed to be said. again.
Acting does not equal yelling all your lines! by Penetron	Apr 19th, 2008 10:43:42 AM
You hear me, Rebecca Demornay! Your constant shrieking ruined this show.

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