i liked Jericho, it was a cool premise for a show, if kinda schmaltzy in execution.

But it got better as it went on.

then they canned it.

then they brought it back for a shorter run.

and now they canned it again.

can we now just sigh, shrug our shoulders and walk away? because more of this save Jericho crap doesn't endear me to Jericho any more. it makes me wish that more energy had gone into saving much better shows than this one.

Atomic Knights follows a similar story line.

Atomic Knights has people riding horse size Dalmations.

How fucking much cooler would that have been in Jericho?

The Nameless One is a better actor than Skeet Ulrich.

There is no perpetual whining in Stalker.

Lots of busting caps in asses in Stalker.

Stalker has snorks. Even a single snork would have made Jericho watchable.

enough with the Jericho coverage, Herc!

YES!!!!! Harry, you need to start paying attention to Dexter, because you are almost turning into a laughingstock by ignoring it.

It's been so long it's hard to remember, but "Stargate SG-1" actually WAS worth watching the first couple of years it ran original episodes on SFC.

(They probably should have called it quits after the 8th season finale, though.)

It's Over.

Yes! It's really over!

That was the last one, now no more. Over and done. Finito. Bereft of a future, it rests in film canisters. It's had it's last gasp and has rung in the choir invisible. It is an EX-Program.

Yes, it's really over.

[NBC: Please put the Journeyman hopefuls out of their misery and pull the plug on that necrotic stench of a show.]

Yes, I went there. My bad.

YESSS!!!

Would have loved to seen two more seasons of it.

So, if this is a consouler ship, where is the embassator anyways?

And Han Solo coming to Luke's rescue at the end was Genius.

I think they really did a great job of telling a complete story. Nice to see things end the way the should. No need to follow up on anything. I feel very satisfied!!!

You can blame the archaic ratings system and the fans on the internet (btw some of us don't live in the US, you know) and absolutely you would be right - those are all factors.

At the end of the day, they were a means for this guy to get what he wanted - they were the tools used by this TOOL to ensure something that didn't appeal to HIS OWN personal tastes was denied to everyone else.

I won't call it fascism but it is what it is.

RIP Jericho.

Wasn't just BOTH Herc AND Merrick that dug this show - so say we all (except for those dorks who continue to post on talkbacks for stuff they're not even to - what is up with that??)

never heard of John Adams - is he a wingnut? what does wingnut philosophy mean? I'm trying to picture the mechanics of a nut you can tighten with your fingers and I'm completely failing in being able to apply that to an outlook on the universe in any way, shape or form...?

(jake screaming)TOM TOM! I NEED TO KNOW WHERE I'M GOING! 'texas embassy, two blocks left'

TOM TOM! THE GATE IS CLOSED 'drive through the gate at accelerated speed'

TOM TOM! IS HAWKINS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT?! 'yes, he's a very likeable character'

Also seemed like it wouldn't be much of a war if Cheyenne's forces were gonna abandon their leadership, like Beck did...

This is why we have things like the Emmy Awards - so networks can SELL their programs as "award winning" to other networks - they don't have awards for "sold the most fabric softener" or "attracted the most lucrative PR contract"...

In most countries they have a certain percentage of "home grown" products and the rest of what you see on television (the majority, usually) is bought and paid for.

Networks shit themselves when TiVo won its court case and they expected all their advertisers to walk away - but that didn't happen. The SMART thing to do would have been to BE PREPARED for the world changing around them but they fucking well better have a plan for what they're going to do NOW THAT THE HORSE HAS FUCKING BOLTED!

Good shows will come and go. People like to think Jericho had the biggest revival effort ever but Battlestar Galactica had a revival movement dating back to the eighties and did so much more than write letters and send nuts...

Point being Networks will keep their collective heads in the sand for as long as possible and the rest of us will suffer until they absolutely positively cannot procrastinate any longer and are FORCED into action.

All we can do is maintain the pressure...

like i said earlier, the only product placement i ever saw in jericho was for Sprint phones, everytime hawkins used his phone or computer. other than those, how do you put product placement in a show based on the premise that there are no more corporate products in production? no cokes, no new movies, etc... the best they could hope for was to get corporate sponsorship for a seed company!..or a gun manufacturer! that was the achilles heel as to why jericho made them no advertising money.

--- @ JTS [tm] Steth.C opined:

I am sure a story arch was planned for a full second season which had to be shortened because of the writers strike.

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Arc: a series of stories with a continuing overall plot thread. Arc. the word is Arc. Not Arch. But I'm not here to leap on a typo.

The creators of "Jericho" no doubt had at least vague plans or a loose outline for a second season. In fact, I'm sure the creator of the series must have had an overall idea of where the series would be going before the initial pitch was ever made. Not that he would lock himself in an office writing five years worth of spec scripts, but he must have had a "where do we go from here" idea for a middle an end of the series in case the beginning was actually green-lit.

However - and if you were a fan of the show you probably heard about this - the series was canceled at the end of the first season. A fan-based 'save out show' campaign was launched in which the network was harrassed by fans sending them bags of peanuts in reference to the use of the famous military quote "Nuts" in the final aired episode of the searies/first season. Well, free food is "harrassment" if we assume television producers and network executives only eat macadamia nuts.

The network agreed to let the production company film seven additional episodes, with the caveat that the series was still well over 'the bubble" and would still be considered canceled unless ratings improved dramatically.

The producers had a choice. Use their seven alloted episodes to wrap up the series as a whole, or gamble on the hope that the fans who revived the series would translate into improved ratings. They did not, and it was a gamble they lost.

That doesn't meanyou were wrong. the wshows producers and writers may have had an idea for an entire full length second season story ARC even beore the show was canceled at the end of the first season. but when they were given seven episodes, they wrote seven and went into production and, IIRC, had the show in the can even before the strike began. While many shows had shortened seasons this year due to the strike (Lost with 13 rather than 16 episodes, for example), "Jericho" always had a seven episode 2nd season planned once it was rescued from cancellation, and the strike had nothing to do with it.

I either saw or heard the show once or twice and it didn't grab me. As for it's ratings failure, well, it was an interesting and ambitious concept, but... The idea of an entertainment vehicle based on a major war or terrorist attack on American soil... well, have you heard the expression "too soon"? We put one "Cold War" behind us (we won) and a new "War on Terror" springs up to replace it. That's not entertainment, it's the evening news.

And no matter what the specific details of the conflict on the show were or how different they were from any real world scenarios, the post-apocalypse world concept is a popular science fiction and fantasy convention, but it usually involves a futuristic world, human-killing robots, talking apes, decaying landmarks, radioactive wastelands and crumbling ruins. Set a low budget post-apocalypse fiction in a small town that survive the havoc, and what you have is a drama set in a small town. October Road with politics. Men in Trees with a different flag. Who wants that/ apparently not enough viewers to keep it afloat.

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