I was late to the party, but have already seen Firefly and Serenity. I like the series a lot, and the movie wasn't too bad (I thought that the second major character death was lame, though).

Still, that's life I guess, and true of a great many tv and film sets. People don't always get along, and a lot of people in real life are just insuferable, bitchy, whiny or egotistical assholes. At least they managed to all do their jobs and sell the character relationships on the show, that's what they are paid to do, and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

i kid, i kid.

This week, there was an EXCELLENT episode of Torchwood; Perhaps the best episode of the entire series (and certainly better than eny episode of Buffy ever was) and instead, Herc is talking about a show that was cancelled FIVE YEARS AGO.

Godfuckingdammit, Herc. There are other shows on television. I honestly don't get the obsession with Buffy. I watched it, and never got bit with the Buffy bug. I never saw anything but a corny, snarky show with juvenile dialogue and a shit-ton of pop culture references. It was like Family Guy in scope *and* depth. The only thing I could see that made people tune in was Alyson playing an unconvincing lesbian witch. She at least looked good.

Look at your own data, guys: Sarah Gellar is NOT interested in this character anymore. She's probably embarrassed for you. She's not going to do any more Buffy, and the rest of the cast are just willing to do it because they've got nothing better on their schedule.

I know-- I popped into a Buffy thread to flame, when I could leave well enough alone. The thing is that there almost ARE no other threads in Coax. Each week, it's the same damn thing. It's Herc's small handful of favorite shows, both cancelled and uncanceled. You just KEEP. TALKING. ABOUT. BUFFY. and you completely ignore the stuff that's on RIGHT NOW, running circles around the poor writing on Buffy.

You're going to be fifty years old, sitting in a room alone, muttering "Buffy. Buffy. Buffy. Buffy. Buffy. Buffy." --- I can see it.

It was a TV show. It's over. It's cancelled. Those of us who have been coming here for ages would like to talk about what's on NOW in the science fiction genre- Not about a show that is dead, buried, and never coming back except in the fantasies of the obsessed.

We have a kick-ass Torchwood talkback going in The Zone. Is Herc's column the only part of AICN you read?

People are nuts crazy stupid or mega rich if they paid that much bask bask in the glow of the Buffy cast.

I really don't understand that part of fanatisism(my new word). Why somebody who is a fan of somebody else's work is so driven to see or meet the celebrity in the flesh.

They are actors, they play characters. They might in fact be a boring asshole.

For $1600 I want sex with each of the female cast members and have a professional videographer there to record the night for later viewing.

Kick in dinner too.

In season 7, when The First took on the form of Buffy, SMG seemed to enjoy playing that role more than Buffy. Similarly, she was also seemed to have fun playing the Buffybot.

I loved Buffy and Angel and Firefly, but it's time to stop fellating Joss. He has obviously run out of ideas and talent

Anyone know the real story there? Was the character supposed to be more in the show or was it always the plan to get rid of him early on, replace him with Wesley and transfer his powers to Cordelia? Did they adapt the show after having to fire him or was it just Whedon fulfilling his desire to kill off a main character early on to shock people?

As for the abortion comment, I can see Whedon saying that. From interviews and listening to commentaries, and seeing him speak once at ComicCon, I got the impression he's the kind of guy who says stupid things; speaks before he thinks. The kind of person who blurts out inappropriate things because he thinks they are funny even if he's the only one in the room who knows he is kidding. I can see Whedon, after learning of Charisma Carpenter's pregnancy, being in a discussion on how they would handle it in the show, throwing out ideas, and Whedon saying "she could always get an abortion". Not that he meant it, but as a tasteless joke. It's the sort of comment that would offend people enough that they wouldn't care if he was serious or not. Also, the sort of comment that, out of context, gets blown way out of proportion.