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Tony Gilroy wants him some Giamatti!

First!! by LockesLOSTkidney	Mar 20th, 2008 02:34:41 AM
Ooooh yeah...!!
Why this guy was nominated by messi	Mar 20th, 2008 02:36:57 AM
fucking academy.
the writing and direction of by drakeavenue	Mar 20th, 2008 02:38:02 AM
MICHAEL CLAYTON was so assured I was mesmerized. Kudos to Gilroy. Plus, anyone else think he's quite a dashing lookin' fellow?
Better direction than Andrew Dominik by messi	Mar 20th, 2008 02:54:33 AM
ha
IMDB has Billy Bob Thornton listed in the cast too.. by LockesLOSTkidney	Mar 20th, 2008 02:55:33 AM
So I'm very curious to see whatpans out..wonder if Giamatti's an addition to the cast, of BBT's replacement? Thanks to Tony Gilroy we've had both The Bourne Supremacy (writer) and Michael Clayton (writer/director) over the last year. I'm a fan - not least because he dares suggest that a paying audience may not comprise of a bunch of grunting fuckwits. If he keeps making movies with that combination of intelligence, integrity and thrills then I'll keep paying to see them.
Is this that movie by Napoleon Park	Mar 20th, 2008 03:17:17 AM
with Michael Keaton as his own mentally challenged clone?
Julia Roberts as an ex-spy? by PoweredUpPacman	Mar 20th, 2008 03:41:50 AM
This has blown its credibility already.
I did like Micheal Clayton though... by PoweredUpPacman	Mar 20th, 2008 03:48:54 AM
...but that was mostly due to Wilkinson and Swinton. I've had enough of Clooney in his 'brooding-mode' since Syriana. Seems these day English actors play far more interesting Americans than Americans tghemselves. And now Clive Owen is in this.
I've read the script by Darth Fart	Mar 20th, 2008 03:51:56 AM
It's really, really good. Gilroy ratchets up the suspense on another level. Great work, Tony!
Giamatti and Wilkinson = great, but Owen! by filmcoyote	Mar 20th, 2008 06:03:49 AM
Loving Giamatti and Wilkinson going head to head and I can handle Roberts although i'm not a fan, but the half-man half-tree Clive Owen is a negative. Still, I have faith in Gilroy after Clayton to bring something interesting so here's hoping. If, as suggested above, Billy Bob is in this too that would be great.
Watch John Adams now!!! by superfleish76	Mar 20th, 2008 07:13:02 AM
Of course you have plenty of time to catch up. But Giamatti and Wilkinson are both great in it. I really enjoyed the first two episodes, and highly recommend the series. Very interested in this movie as well. Cast sounds good.
Clive Owen by chewyou812	Mar 20th, 2008 07:35:15 AM
Has done some duds (Shootem' up & King Aurthur) but let's not forget how kick ass of an actor he can be (Sin City, Children of Men and Closer). Plus he probably got the part due to his connection to the Bourne series (he was the assassin who came after Bourne while he was hiding out in the old country house with his girly and some dude & his two kids).
Steve Guttenberg!! Yeah! by donwillymo	Mar 20th, 2008 08:26:49 AM

or Police academy guy who does voices, either one by donwillymo	Mar 20th, 2008 08:27:37 AM

I dont think Julia Roberts will be believeable as a former spy by purplepurple	Mar 20th, 2008 08:36:43 AM
She's hardly beliveable as a person.
becareful quint HBO has by logicalnoise01	Mar 20th, 2008 08:41:54 AM
made a point of flagging John Adams for macrovision protection on TIVOs and likely any other DVR that supports some sort of timed expiration.
John Adams is the BALLS! by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 08:51:22 AM
Seriously, Quint, you need to catch up if you can before Sunday (I think they're repeating the first two episodes at least once a day). As a history major at UGA, I can attest that the best part of thsi series is that HBO and Tom Hanks did NOT skirt historical detail. There are no combined characters. There is no "sexing-up" the history surrounding this spectacular time in American, and really, world history. David McCollough was on set to ensure exacting detail of the day to day lives of the colonies, then states. They will not be glossing over the Articles of Confederation period of the country, which will surprise I think, the vast amount of people watching who have no idea that we did not have the Constitution directly following the Revolution. The series goes from the night of the Boston Massacre in 1770, until, I believe, John Adam's death in 1826. In fact, most people do not know this, but John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, friends then rivals then friends again, died on the same day, hours apart. John Adams' last words were, "Thomas Jefferson survives." He had no way of knowing that Jefferson had actually died a few hours before him. The shared date of their deaths? I shit you not - July 4th, 1826, exactly 50 years after the signing of the Declaration of Independence. I think that is MORE awesome than Twain being born and then dying with Haley's Comet, exactly 76 years. I hope that the series spends a lot of time on Adams' and Jefferson's 1796 and 1800 Presidential Elections, and their friendship dissolving, only to be repaired years later as pen pals. Awesome miniseries, Quint. You don't want to wait for DVD for this one. It's going to go Return of the King at the Globes and Emmy's.
SK229... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 09:01:50 AM
... the New York Times wouldn't like much about John Adams, would they, considering that it's historically accurate and doesn't fit in with their particular ideology. By that I mean, pick up a history textbook, any history textbook, elementary, middle, or high school. They're filled with the kind of fantastical revisionist history that crazy left-wingers are trying to force down people's throats. The particularly don't care for the Founding Fathers. Also, John Adams' Presidency was more George W. Bush than George Washington (Alien and Sedition Act, anyone?) So you should do like me, don't pay attention to the NY Times, which left journalistic integrity in the dust long, long ago.
Gilroy's churnin' out the hits by they call it the dip	Mar 20th, 2008 09:02:55 AM
It's really awesome to see a long-time screenwriter-turned-director do such a killer job.
Also... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 09:18:27 AM
... the Libertarian that I am cannot wait until they tear up the Articles of Confederation and start debating the Constitution. Important world and American history brought to life, guys. Seeing this made real... I'll be honest, when John Hancock (played by the psycho ex-boyfriend from the crappy second Charlie's Angels movie, interestingly enough) read the Declaration of Independence on the steps of Independence Hall... I actually teared up a little. I know for some hear, loving your country, especially THIS country, is seen as passe or stupid. But the best part about America is that we did it first, and we've done it best. It's a shame that people allow their political ideology shape their image of their country. Another great thing about the country: you're allowed to be retarded like that if you want to. Worst thing about our country: seat belt and helmet laws. As a libertarian, I fully believe those laws to be unconstitutional. Why protect stupid people, anyway? If people want to be stupid, and not wear seat belts or helmets, that's their choice. And they will be weeded out of the population through their stupidity. These laws protect the stupid and allow their genetic code to be passed on. But I digress.
Tony Gilroy gives us intelligent films with humanity. by LoneGun	Mar 20th, 2008 09:20:41 AM
As far as I'm concerned, he's one of THE writer-directors to watch for. MICHAEL CLAYTON was my personal favorite of the year's Oscar-nominated flicks. And it sounds like DUPLICITY is shaping up just fine.
Gillroy + Clive = Awesome by waggy	Mar 20th, 2008 09:40:07 AM
First I've heard about this one. Michael Clayton was great and I'll watch anything Clive Owen is in.
He will always be "Pig Vomit" to me by YackBacker	Mar 20th, 2008 11:22:22 AM
Sorry, I love the guy but he's a goofy looking dude. And he is Pig Vomit.
SK229... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 11:34:07 AM
... reason.com... I'll bookmark that site, thanks man! I love to be able to discuss without people screaming at each other. I'm one of those people who believes that politics can be discussed rationally because well, I don't believe in any particular political ideology. I'm George Washington. Political ideology is bad. Look what it did to Adams and Jefferson's friendship for about 30 years. It tore them apart. As a fellow student of history, I think you can agree that in our country today we're approaching a crisis of political discourse not seen since the 1850's. And we all remember where that led, right? We need to be able to talk to each other. We need to be able to COMPROMISE. This is why I believe that the Libertarians will ultimately back John McCain. He really is a moderate guy who is willing to compromise and work with people of other beliefs to come to shared solutions. Clinton and Obama are both too beholden to the wackos on the far left. McCain is not beholden to the wackos on the far right. We're a country of moderates, not wackos. Unfortunately, the wackos on the both sides get the most press because they scream the loudest. But I believe a guy like McCain can really make things work. Plus, it's NEVER good when the President and the Congress are the same party. Umm, Jimmy Carter, the first two years under Clinton (fucking NAFTA!) or George W anyone? There's a reason why people believe Reagan and Jefferson and Teddy Roosevelt were some of the better Presidents. They had to compromise with their congresses. Thanks again, SK229, I'll check it out.
Thing I like the best about John Adams.... by Gunslinger1919	Mar 20th, 2008 11:36:02 AM
is the fact that they're not baby feeding you the story. It jumps right in, no explanations, no coddling, you just have to run and keep up with it...Giamatti is doing a hell of a job, as is Laura Linney as his wife (loved her in THE TRUMAN SHOW). And Wilkinson kicks butt as Franklin...though I'd like to see a bit more filandering from him and his character...but MAN...what up with David Morse's nose...was that really necessary???? --G
Oh Man by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 01:15:14 PM
What the fuck? I come in here to read about reactions to John Adams and I see cringe-worthy shit like "John McCain is a moderate?" John McCain, the guy who wants us to stay in Iraq for 100 years (you can google any of the stuff I am about to say, it's all stuff he's really said). John McCain, who wants to invade Iran, who thinks that Iran is helping Al-Qaeda? (Al-Qaeda is a different Muslim sect than Iran is, they hate Al-Qaeda as much as we do and could be a real ally). John McCain, who voted for torture even after he himself was shot down and tortured in Vietnam and said, "It didn't work." Oh yeah he's a real moderate guy. You've got to be fucking kidding me.
Oh Also by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 01:17:51 PM
John McCain is not "beholden to the wackos on the far right"? You are a fucking lying piece of shit,expert40. He has to pander to the Religious Right in order to win, the people who want us to back Israel no matter what and try to start a biblical apocalypse, the people who want to shred your beloved constitution into a million bits? Where do you get your information from, the Talking Points Memo? The Corner? You're just another lying Republican scumbag.
Sodomy Redux... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 01:27:21 PM
... people like YOU are the reason we're at a political impasse right now. You hen peck and choose a few things from McCain's vast political career to fit into your WARPED view fueled by your political ideology. McCain IS a moderate. His continued work with the Democratic Party on compromise and his long, long voting record bare this out. See, I use logic and factual reason. Sodomy Redux picks what he likes and dislikes to make McCain fit into his very small and very deranged world view. He insults people and he obviously has no respect of people who's views differ from his own. People like Sodomy Redux (nice fucking name, dude) is EXACTLY the reason why our country faces a political dilemma today the likes we haven't seen since the 1850's. People like Sodomy Redux don't want to compromise. They don't want to listen. They want to rail against the other side's opinions until they are hoarse and nothing gets done. Sodomy Redux is very much a my way or the highway type of personality. So really, what seperates Sodomy Redux from George W. Bush? You just got philosophized, BITCH.
oh, and Sodomy Redux... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 01:34:59 PM
... dude, you can call me whatever you want. One thing I am not (unlike yourself) is a SLAVE I am a slave to no ideology. I vote my conscience. That means I RESEARCH political candidates, and usually, have to vote on whom I feel is the lesser of two evils. Whether they be Democrat or Republican, I vote my conscience. I think McCain / Edwards would be the best ticket out there, but it will never happen, unfortunately. But you, Sodomy Redux, it's obvious you're a slave to your ideology and you let other people choose for you. That's okay. Live in the Matrix. Some people prefer it, I guess.
No you dumbass by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 01:47:44 PM
No the problem is I won't let you spew lies about McCain. He's not a moderate. He's done one bit of "aisle crossing" and that was to work with Russ Feingold on a campaign reform bill. This was of course before he abused the campaign finance laws earlier this year. Can you name some other times that McCain has reached across the aisle and helped Democrats? He hasn't done that on anything of substance -- when it comes to wars or other Republican wedge issues, he's right in lock-step with the rest of his party. McCain supports the Iraq war 100 percent and has Joe "we're making huge progress in Iraq, it will all be over in 6 months" Leiberman as his bestest buddy. Since only the dumbest and most gullible idiots, or the most imperialistic, are supporting the Iraq war at this point, that's not moderate. Voting to allow people to be tortured for "actionable intelligence" is not moderate. Having George W. Bush call you a child and tell people that you fathered an illegitimate black child through push-polling back in 2000, and then kissing his ass later, is just about the most craven thing a politician can do. I don't know where you're getting this idea that McCain is moderate. He's a flat-out imperialist who thinks that "National Security" involves having the United States invade other countries. He left his first wife (who cared for his children while he was being tortured in Vietnam) for a rich heiress to kick-start his political career. Look I think John McCain is a war hero who has become the most craven politician imaginable. It has nothing to do with idealogy. He might have had integrity at one point but he sold it all out a long time ago. And I cannot believe that I am sitting here telling a Liberterian that voting for a guy who wants to take the American military on hideously expensive "Nation Building" efforts abroad is a bad idea! You may call me a slave to my idealogy but you apparently don't have an ounce of understanding about what the labels you are applying to yourself actually mean.
Sodomy Redux hits all the buzzwords... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 02:00:25 PM
... taken right out of the wacko lefty handbook. Imperialist? Really? Did we conquer Iraq? Did we conquer Afghanistan? Are we taking their oil for our own profit? Oh, we're not, because if we were, gas wouldn't cost $3.25 a gallon. I kind of wish we WERE imperialistic just to give my wallet some relief. Sodomy Redux, you speak of spreading lies then lay the shit on as thick as a Rush Limbaugh or Keith Olbermann could. Sodomy Redux, I know this will be totally lost on a SLAVE such as yourself, but all of your bluster is full of sound and flury, signifying nothing. With every breath you take and every word you speak, you make yourself more and more a slave to your ideology. There is no good in you, surely you must know that by now. That's right, you just go philosophized AGAIN, this time Return of the Jedi-syle, BITCH!
ENOUGH!!! by cutest_of_borg	Mar 20th, 2008 02:09:11 PM
This is hardly the place for a current political debate. Let us instead agree that Adams, Jefferson, Washington and Franklin were men before their time and we owe them a huge debt of gratitude. AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
cutest_of_borg... by expert40	Mar 20th, 2008 02:13:26 PM
... you're right, of course. I've sullied myself trying to hold and honest discourse with an ideological zealot (weird, since he obviously loathes religious people, but really, what's the difference... a zealot is a zealot) Bored now!
Dude you really are dumb by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 02:13:51 PM
Yes we did conquer Iraq and Aghanistan. Wow, I'm just floored that you are this dumb. We INVADED, WE TOPPLED THEIR GOVERNMENT, WE ARE OCCUPYING THEIR COUNTRY. What else do you call that? Are you that fucking stupid that you don't even know what "conquering" a country means? Now I'll agree that we are not EXPLOITING their resources, so I guess in your playbook we aren't actually conquering a country. I guess you have to start gassing minorities and putting our flags everywhere for an conquering imperialist to register to you, because you live your life in WW2 analogies. I know you do a lot of research on canidates, Expert40, you said so yourself, so I am once again going to ask you: please cite some examples of McCain's moderate behavior in absolute legislative terms. Show me a Democratic-backed bill that he helped pass, or vote for. Show me a war that he did not vote for. You can quote RotJ at me all you like, say I'm spreading lies, call me a SLAVE TO MY IDEALOGY like a crappy BioShock character or say that I'm using wacko talking points but everything I've written is absolutely true, and supported by things that have actually come out of John McCain's mouth. He has never done anything "moderate" of substance, you're full of shit to say that. I have no doubt that your next post will end with another movie quote and how much you've "pwned me" and what a bitch I am but the facts and the truth are on my side, dude, not yours. All you have is bluster and rhetoric. Peace.
And I don't want to hear from any pussy Europeans, either. by cutest_of_borg	Mar 20th, 2008 02:14:22 PM
Go fuck yourselves with that socialist bullshit.
Also the founding fathers rock by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 02:15:42 PM
I would like to give a huge debt of gratitude to George Washington, whose teeth allowed me to win a beauty contest in the future and saved the world from the evil Purple Tentacle.
expert 40 by cutest_of_borg	Mar 20th, 2008 02:16:01 PM
No worries, bruthah. Fight the good fight.
I hope that it's HALF as good as Multiplicity. by AdrianVeidt	Mar 20th, 2008 03:29:16 PM

Adams, Jefferson, Washington, & Franklin by tk 421	Mar 20th, 2008 04:08:03 PM
Were rich white men who got tired of paying taxes to the British. Fortunately, the result of their petulance was one of, if not the, greatest documents concerning government ever made. I love the new Adams miniseries, especially the court scenes in "Join or Die". Wilkinson is strong as usual. Fabulous show.
Yeah that's what I said you fucking queef eater by Sodomy Redux	Mar 20th, 2008 05:37:23 PM
I never talked about anything other than John McCain and the religious right. Yet from these two topics you are able to determine that I am a "left wing fascist" and a "slave to my idealogy". Ok, keep it coming with the bullshit character attacks, but explain to me this: how is a presidential candidate who wants to invade Iran and stay in Iraq for 100 years and votes for torture "moderate"? That's all I want to know, none of you have answered my very direct and simple question as of yet. And you won't be able to, because he's not moderate. Oh, and for the record: I don't have a problem with religion, I have a problem with fundementalist crazies who want to take away my liberties because their particular God or Gods told them to, or want to make America do particular things internationally to bring about literal Armegeddon or some imaginary Rapture. They can believe whatever they like (it's their right) but should not be involved in making laws or policies in a Liberal Republic. Instead these nutjobs are being courted for support by "moderate" John McCain. Fantastic.
SK229 by tk 421	Mar 20th, 2008 06:26:30 PM
Well said, well said indeed. The scariest economic reality to me is the fact that China is and has been buying billions of dollars in Treasury notes and Bonds. Basically, the Chinese government is funding the American government. Imagine the shit storm that'll happen if they decide to dump the notes and bonds. Or, less drastically, it at least gives them a huge amount of leverage when dealing with the U.S. Also, the EU is now considered the world's best economy. They managed this with socialized medicine, strong labor unions & the French. That's impressive.
Ugh. by Tourist	Mar 20th, 2008 06:29:16 PM
That cast is going to be irritating in a Gilroy film. The guy is the screenplay equivilant of Bay. His work is souless, idiotic, empty trash that contains lots of actorly poseur moments where people can play serious face so that morons who cant tell the difference between art and their ass can nod along going "Oh, yes, yes, very serious. Hmmm. Art."
Sodomy Redux... by Tourist	Mar 20th, 2008 06:37:13 PM
...You have conquered them like Germany conquered France and Poland. Its not like England conquering the Native Americans or something. You just kind of made a mess and then will dissapear.
I would be willing to bet... by poeticwarriorII	Mar 20th, 2008 10:40:44 PM
the techniques we have at our disposal now are quite a bit better than the ones the greasy yellow slopes had back then. Besides that those fuckers are modern day barbarians who gives a fuck?
Watch John Adams! I second that proposal. by CrichtonAstronut	Mar 21st, 2008 11:32:53 AM
Giamatti and Wilikinson are brilliant. Laura Linney's a gem as Abagail Adams and the guy playing George Washington is good to. Also written and directed excellently.

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