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Young Kyle Reese in McG's TERMINATOR movie is...

WHAT THE FUCK by Jackie Boy	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:35 AM
that is all
JESUS!!! by Frye777	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:49 AM
NOO
The poor kid that gets whacked in Alpha Dog... by aceattorney	Mar 19th, 2008 02:17:25 AM
:(
PLEASE LET THIS BE GOOD by THE KNIGHT	Mar 19th, 2008 02:19:26 AM
the knight has spoken
He looks about twelve! by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:19:52 AM
They better scar him up a bit and give him some weight training.
That's a wussy looking kid by Sweet FA	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:14 AM
He looks like he'd grow up to become a preist, not a guy who fucks Linda Hamilton
mac attack by iownyou	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:22 AM
cast mac culkin
Ain't no way he got himself some Hamilton lovin'. by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 02:21:31 AM

He's the new SHIA LA BEEF by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:24:55 AM
Soon, he'll be in every movie.
maybe there's a reason he hates terminators by mansep	Mar 19th, 2008 02:27:18 AM
ie, he started out befriending one.. then things turned bad... bad enough that it made him hate them with a passion. i'm only guessing, but that would be "character development", something we always bitch about films not having.
Friendly Terminator by ElGuapo	Mar 19th, 2008 02:27:54 AM
Maybe he doesn't know Marcus is a terminator... until after they are friends. And that's why he hates them so much. Because his friend turned out to be a robot. (And he never learned to read!)
Jesus H. Fucking Christ by Horace Cox	Mar 19th, 2008 02:28:35 AM
CHARLIE BARTLETT was one of the worst fucking movies I've seen in years. If I wasn't able to mastrubate to Hope Davis' scenes I would have walked out. Speaking of which, apologies to the couple seated in front of me.
Maybe.... by Sweet FA	Mar 19th, 2008 02:30:23 AM
Maybe he doesnt know Worthington is a robot (although from some of his past performances, everyone should know he is). I love how these guys bitch without even seeing a script. This would be the start of the story, wouldn't it?? Aren't terminators meant to fit in with the population?
He looks like Screech! by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:30:44 AM
From Saved By the Bell!
What the fuck kind of casting is that??!!!!! by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:35:54 AM
Oh COME ON! Do these fucking directors even take character into consideration anymore or is it literally just a hype thing. Theres plenty of young actors who dont come off like a wet noodle but nope, this guys comin up and god dammit they need to put him in as many movies as possible. That is seriously as off base as you could get. I've seen this kid in person a few times in LA and nothing against him but there doesn't look to be a tough bone in his body. He's pale as a ghost and his features are of a distinct eastern european vibe. I mean christ they are trying to say that in 10 years he grows into Michael Biehn??? Not on your fucking life. Besides that there isn't a single thing in his catalogue that would suggest he could play a convincing warrior, even one in his formative years. He always plays slouching sad cases. Seriously what the fuck is McG on?
I would ask "how long before the show is cancelled"... by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 02:36:20 AM
...but that would just lead to someone justifiably asking the same of Smallville, then I'd argue that Smallville is a seperate entity from the films, to which someone would claim the same for The Sarah Connor Chronicles (which we all know isn't true), and I'd reply with a nuh-uh, and they'd answer with a yeah-huh, and it'd drag on over a five hundred or so post talkback, only to die once the story is bumped off the main page, and then be resurrected once Herc posts the official announcement of the cancelling in Coaxial, which will then lead to the debate to get even more heated, and then Merrick gets involved and brings to our attention in a fan petition to reverse Fox's decision with a campaign similar to the infamous Jericho "nuts" deal......only this time it's "screws"....because y'know, like "Fox screwed up" and because the Terminators are machines and have......yeah, you get the idea. I don't want to trigger those events by making that comment, so I won't.
And Quint if I've said it once I've said it a million times by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:39:43 AM
STOP FUCKING APOLOGIZING every time you have a negative reaction to something that is CLEARLY fucking ridiculous. When a hack director obviously miscasts one of the great protagonists in sci fi history you have every right to be critical. You're not over thinking things, it's McG who is dead fucking wrong.
FAILED by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:37 AM
There might be a reason he is anti terminator(though his brother in the TV show is more hardcore) Why not get a blonde kid?
Hollywood has lost it by Literarywanderer	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:00 AM
It's like Hollywood has taken that next step of finding stars pre-puberty and grooming them to be the megastars of tomorrow even if they're not talented enough to deserve the opportunity. Sorry, but ol' Shia will never be worth my dollar no matter how much you shove him down my throat. Shit, I mean, first we have all those teenage lolitas in the 90s (Britney, Christina, Mandy, Jessica, etc.) who were rammed in our faces. Then came Shia and Hannah Montana. God, what next? Is Holywood going to start genetically breeding these actors and choosing the traits they want before they implant them, have them birthed, and then use them as celluloid slaves for their entire lifetimes (which will be only until the age of 30 for women and 40 for men, their genetics having them die before they are no longer marketable)? Whatever happened to casting talented, though not superhot, actors? Oh, and as for Terminator 4, since I ran way off tangent, even with Bale I say fuck it. I'm not paying to see some kid befriend a fucking robot. BTW, Kyle even said the early ones had rubber skin, etc. Exactly how long have Terminators been the fuck around?
Just a question. by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:01 AM
If, as Reese explains in The Terminator, the early generation Terms were easy to spot with their rubber skin. Why would he not know his buddy was one?
bugger nuts!!! by Le Phantom	Mar 19th, 2008 02:44:00 AM
Jesus! all of these dirctors pick young actors that they want to bugger!!!!
Xiphos by otm shank	Mar 19th, 2008 02:47:37 AM
When they killed off Hicks in Alien 3 they must have confused him with the character. He's been relagated to minor role status ever sense.
as mentioned by hellnback	Mar 19th, 2008 02:48:08 AM
there has to be reason for reese to hate the termintors. since this is just him as a youngster, he still has plenty of time to grow into the termintator hater. first he befriends one but ends up hating it and the others for a reason.
Maybe by hamo455	Mar 19th, 2008 02:49:07 AM
They're friends until he finds out he's a robot?
Simon Pegg should play Kyle Reese by pokadoo	Mar 19th, 2008 02:52:38 AM
To make up for McSpaced!
Please introduce Derek Reese by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:57:32 AM
He is a fucking cool character, hell I even say get the 90210 dude to play him, the dude never ages. A hardcore version of Kyle Reese and John Connor's second in command. They better show John and Kyle escaping from the skynet workcamp.
They should leave this series alone by CeejayNightwing	Mar 19th, 2008 02:59:38 AM

Kyle betrayed me... by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 03:03:48 AM
...and he lied, tried to hide, and I died deep inside, AND YOU KNOW THE REASON WHY!
Simon Pegg shouldn't even be Scotty.. by CeejayNightwing	Mar 19th, 2008 03:06:53 AM
That role should have gone to Paul McGillion but fanboys being what they are led to that ridiculous casting becoming real. Here we have another ridiculous casting just for the sake of milking the Terminator film-come-studio franchise. It's one thing having a TV series of a popular film to to make a cinematic movie of a story the TV show can easily cover (and probably will differently) is another thing. We simply don't need to see what young Kyle and John were up to before the war or yet another tale of how the robots rose to power in yet another alternate timeline. If they want to do a story, then do one on the original father of John Connor in the original timeline set before Kyle Reese came back in time, from their future to fuck Sarah before he had a chance to meet the bitch!
In a very special sequel of the Terminator by Literarywanderer	Mar 19th, 2008 03:08:36 AM
Kyle comes out of the closet and admits to his cybernetic friend that John Connor touched him. The Terminator loses all faith in humanity and goes on a fucking rampage. Fin.
as long as he can act, and PLEASE no friendly Terminators by tompiltoff	Mar 19th, 2008 03:16:32 AM

THIS PROJECT IS TERMINATED ! by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 03:19:51 AM
MCG is going to have a contract on it's head once this is out... at this point, it will not be better than the TV series.
No James Cameron by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 03:21:49 AM
No Terminator movie
Awww hell FUCK NO!!!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:23:55 AM
What the fuck they think they're doing?!? Do they think at all?!?!? Do they really want to run this franchise into the ground?!?!?!?! Gawd, this will suck soooooo badly...
PLEASE MAKE IT STOOOOPPPPP... by poeticwarriorII	Mar 19th, 2008 03:25:44 AM
enough already.
This could be AMAZING...so far so good by HarryBlackPotter	Mar 19th, 2008 03:28:12 AM
The first 2 Terminator movies are awesome, the 3rd had a great ending, but everything else (including a near geratric Arnie) sucked. I keep missing the tv show so can't comment on that (though I'll no doubt catch up when I buy the DVD box set), but I have high hopes for this new movie. Can't wait.
I know now why you cry... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 03:38:54 AM
How come nobody bitches about T2, which has the same dumbass Terminator-boy-love story? 'Cause the FX were good and it had Arnold? There is no Terminator movie but the first one. The second stuffed a fat cock in the dook chute of the continuity anyway and the third one was just a big apology for it (and an excuse to make 4). Didn't I hear in another talkback that neither John or Reese were the main character of this movie?
"On the surface he feels a little... low-key" by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:40:52 AM
You mean like McG?
who's casting this shit? by Orionsangels	Mar 19th, 2008 03:45:15 AM

23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle did you just by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:52:11 AM
say something negative about T2. No One complains about T2 because it's a fucking awesome movie. Kill yourself. Superstar Talkbacker Messi has spoken.
The TV Series is AWESOME by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:29 AM
yes the first 4 episodes were slow but then the whole myth and continuity kicked in and DEREK REESE and yeah it's fucking awesome. This whole idea that people were sent back to prepare for the war rather than solely prevent it. Sweet.
Strong choice by the podosphere	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:36 AM
Yelchin's got chops.
AICN 1974: "Young Don Corleone will be... Robert de Niro" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 03:57:46 AM
I know, apples and oranges, but you know somebody would have complained.
tonagan Anton Yelchin didn't have Mean Streets by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 04:04:15 AM
in his resume.
There's absolutely no need... by Kirbymanly	Mar 19th, 2008 04:06:31 AM
to make this movie other than money. Don't take the bait, people. Support original films and Hollywood shall abide. They think we WANT this. That's the only reason why they're making it. I love the Terminator films like anybody else... but it's time for them to stop.
I'll never ever ever ever see this. by DOGSOUP	Mar 19th, 2008 04:10:59 AM
To me the Terminator franchise ended with T2.
You never forget your first by a rolling stone	Mar 19th, 2008 04:13:57 AM
I just caught the first Terminator on TCM a couple of nights ago. I thought I'd watch a few scenes and then go do something else, but it still had the power to suck me in. When Arnold's in the club with the words "Tech Noir" lit up behind him? Fucking classic. It's funny watching Sarah meet Dr. Silverman for the first time, too.
by misnomer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:16:04 AM
the only thing that concerns me is that the earlier terminators had rubber skin;i'd hope the new movie wouldnt contradict that. I wouldnt write this off, I think T4 has a much greater chance of success than T3- at least this movie seems to be taking some risks and exploring new territory. very curious....
by misnomer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:16:51 AM
tscc is absoultely dire though. I mean awful- the whole female terminator idea should be ditched-it really doesn't work that well.
Damn You... MCG! by Stupendous Man	Mar 19th, 2008 04:19:47 AM

T2 bashers by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 04:20:45 AM
Nobody moans about T2 simply due to the fact it's an amazing piece of filmmaking.
My thoughts about T4 by Gorgomel	Mar 19th, 2008 04:23:35 AM
I don't give a damn! but please make a second season of TSCC
Oh fuck off... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:26:01 AM
He grows up to be Michael Biehn, I don't fucking think so.
messi... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:30:55 AM
BLAM! Thump.... Seriously, I loved T2 when I saw it in high school, but it doesn't hold up with repeated viewings - particularly not when compared to the original which is a stand alone, self contained continuum. T2 fucks up the story for the sake of bringing Arnie back as a lameass good Terminator. Bad To The Bone plays when he puts the sunglasses on...its pretty lame.
Bad bad bad by fisheater	Mar 19th, 2008 04:35:53 AM
Firstly, dont compare Deniro's casting to this shmuck, you shmuck. Secondly kill the franchise now before McG ruins this generations understanding of the greatness of the original material. This like the alien franchise should have been killed off long ago and, like AvP and T3, this will not get my 12$ nor will it get yours. Lastly i think audiences tastes are changing, considering the number of low budget independants that are now being distributed and sold under big studios. They do make money and could well change the industry in the next ten years. Here's hoping. Oh and the kid looks retarded and not at all like previous Johns, McG is a whore.
I know now why you cry... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 04:37:55 AM
...because you saw the future of the Terminator franchise coming over the horizon, and it was not good. I mean there's something seriously fucked up in the world when a tv show, that's on the brink of cancellation no less, does better and more respectful to the source material Terminator than the huge budget sequel movies do. "The 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy, well except for my buddy who turned out to be a Terminator, somehow we didn't spot him at all. But these are new, well, as long as you don't count by continuity altering Terminator pal anyway, sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot. I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero him."
Hell yeah, Sledge! by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:43:35 AM
The original is so freakin' great! Can you imagine in the 80's if you went into that movie not knowing what it was about? You wouldn't even know who was the good guy and who was the bad guy till the Tech Noir shootout...Reese: "Come with me if you want to live." Sheeyitt man! Brilliant! I'm gonna watch it this week....
This friends with a terminator business makes no sense... by Rameses	Mar 19th, 2008 04:43:43 AM
and goes against the concept laid down in the first film.The human style endoskeletons appeared to be a late addition to the machines warefare ( I assuume hunter killer tanks and planes were their normal form} and only in the wars last stages , they began creating human copies to infiltrate the resistance movements.Even then the first of these were meant to be rubber skinned and pretty obvious..its only a short time before arnie is sent back that the cyborgs are created...Therefor young kyle would be friends with an obvious rubbery robot at best!
Biehn has been unlucky by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:44:50 AM
did you know that he was going to be Peter Parker in James Cameron's cancelled Spider Man move (1994), it was cancelled due to the fact that the technology just wasn't able to do what cameron wanted at the time.. that good have been his superstar making role.. Also there was talks of him getting nominated for an Academy award for his role in The Abyss, and even with the studio's heavy backing, it still fell through.. and now is seems Avatar has fallen through for him too.. hopefully he'll be in BattleAngel, cause god-damn he rules.. was awsome in Planet Terror
could* by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:45:47 AM

p.s what a little fucking pussy this kid is by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:47:52 AM
Kyle Reese is supposed to be a hard ass,
Biehn was great in Aliens as well... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 04:49:43 AM
I had high hopes for that guy's career, but the last thing I saw him in was The Rock...HATED IT.
Kyle befriending a Terminator by obidawsn	Mar 19th, 2008 04:53:52 AM
What if Kyle befriends Marcus, only later for Marcus (because he's a Terminator) to turn on Kyle or the humans. Maybe Marcus (as one of the first cyborgs) befriended Kyle to infiltrate the human resistance. His betrayal of Kyle is what turns him so hard-core against the Terminators.
fuck that by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 04:57:34 AM
his hardcore hatred of terminators would be and is because they are fucking machines and killing mankind and everyone he ever knows.. not some lame little "boy and his Robot" story where his robot buddy betrays him.. hollywood can eat my shit
Jesus! I thought it was gonna be Shia for a moment! by Maniaq	Mar 19th, 2008 05:04:19 AM
btw not sure if anyone's already mentioned this but could Marcus be the GUY that they BASE an early Terminator on? I threw this out as a possible way to get Arnie into this movie way back when it was first announced (before McSmelly was attached) - I'd never heard of Sgt Candy at the time (hilarious!) but I remember coming across a graphic novel about a mercenary who Skynet used as the basis for the T-800 model - in other words, Arnie... I said at the time, wouldn't it be cool if Arnie was one of John Connor's closest most trusted generals and THAT was who Skynet chose to model their first skinjob on?
I want to see a 700 series terminator which are by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 05:12:17 AM
ANIMALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Don't pet that cat! It's not a cat! It's a-- by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 05:13:40 AM
FUCKING TERMINATOR!!! HOLY SHIT!!!" Classic.
I really hope to see Shia LaBeuof get a role in this! by Judge Briggs	Mar 19th, 2008 05:14:18 AM
He'll make the movie!
he'd make it alright by _SnakePlissken_	Mar 19th, 2008 05:24:35 AM
make it a steaming pile of feces
this has potential to be the worst, or best movie ever by angrykirby.tk	Mar 19th, 2008 05:28:02 AM
I really hate the attitude of "let's make terminator shit until it's bad" scc is surprisingly good and t3 isn't awful, it's scares the shit out of me every time new terminator stuff is announced. I love the series soo much, the day will come when we get sour milk from the terminator cow, I fear that day more then judgement day. Shia LaBeuof is a shitty actor, I hope he dies, I'll kill him myself if he's shoved in any terminator shit oh and poor Biehn, he would have been spiderman in 95 if the studios hadn't shit on the project. I say cast him as kyle reese, make up the hell out of him, god forbid we have any actors stay constant.
Never thought I'd say this by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 19th, 2008 05:33:20 AM
PLEASE NO MORE TERMINATOR MOVIES. This kid isn't fit to lick Beihns' acid splattered boot.
I thought that was Frodo when I opened the page. by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 05:39:35 AM

Friendly Terminatorpossible spoiler??? by chuffsterUK	Mar 19th, 2008 05:50:03 AM
From what I've worked out from tidbits,Marcus may be the result of an experiment,putting human brains in cyborgs,therefore,he and Reese may not know he indeed is a Terminator.....
Friend or not, don't think there were Human-like Terminators whe by PrezMike	Mar 19th, 2008 05:51:32 AM
Reese said in T1 that the first Terminators were rubber-skinned, and were easily identified, while the new ones had flesh and blood. Now how the heck did a young Reese befriend a flesh and blood (I suppose) Terminator? There weren't supposed to be Terminators around when Reese was young.
Ugly as hell and... by Tourist	Mar 19th, 2008 05:59:04 AM
...Has as much presence as a limp dick. But then again, John Connor was the boss, and Reese his bitch, so that makes sense.
A possible explanation for the Kyle Reese "terminator" friend. by Mike_D	Mar 19th, 2008 05:59:32 AM
Maybe it was a secret ambush and the terminator friend kills everybody, hence the future hatred for the machines?
cool! by ironic_name	Mar 19th, 2008 06:06:42 AM
hes cool, I'm glad.
Best Thing to do is lose McG by codymr	Mar 19th, 2008 06:11:19 AM
Bring in a Director who understands the material. Lose the friendly terminator... it's over done. Great idea in T2... lame in T3. Bring on SkyNet's killer cyborgs!
AICN 1989: "Young Indiana Jones will be... River Phoenix" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 06:14:31 AM
"Not that pretty boy! Spielberg and Lucas don't know what they're doing!"
Let's all boycott T4 by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 06:15:08 AM
and give the money to repeat viewings of Avatar.
tonagan by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 19th, 2008 06:16:55 AM
The flaw in your argument is that Coppola and Spielberg are great filmmakers. McG isn't.
AICN 1939: "Young Mr. Lincoln will be... Henry Fonda" by tonagan	Mar 19th, 2008 06:17:42 AM
"As an 80-year old talkbacker, I was there for the Gettysburg Address, and there's no way that no-talent whippersnapper can play President Lincoln."
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle I HEAR YA! by Maniaq	Mar 19th, 2008 06:18:42 AM
Their defence grid was smashed - we'd won - taking out connor then would make no difference! Skynet had to wipe out his entire existence... (Is that when you captured that lab complex and found that... what is it called? The... Time Displacement equipment?) That's right - the Terminator had already gone through. Connor sent me to intercept and they blew the whole place... (Well, how are you supposed to get back?) I can't. Nobody goes home. NOBODY ELSE COMES THROUGH
tonagan:good one.... by travis-dane	Mar 19th, 2008 06:19:16 AM
Funky;-)
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 06:21:16 AM
That's exactly the experience I had seeing Terminator for the first time in '85. Knew absolutely nothing about the movie beforehand, saw it on a double bill with Rambo: First Blood part II, which was the reason me and my friends had gone to this double bill in the first place, and was absolutely blown away by the experience of seeing Terminator after Rambo. It really was something amazing at the time, and one of the best experiences I ever had inside of a cinema. I miss being able to walk into films like that knowing nothing ahead of time, and just getting my ass completely kicked into the back wall of the theatre. But in our media soaked age that's just no longer possible.
Off topic: Sam Raimi to do next Jack Ryan flick!?! by SkinJob69	Mar 19th, 2008 06:35:09 AM
http://tinyurl.com/24skts
early friendship with and later hatred for terminators by newc0253	Mar 19th, 2008 06:40:11 AM
not as contradictory as it might seem, if you really think about it for a moment in terms of story possibilities. i'm not saying it's the best idea ever, but i don't think one (reese being friends with an early terminator) precludes the other (reese hating all terminators) if they do it right.
Maniaq is right by The Kidd	Mar 19th, 2008 06:43:52 AM
I've been saying this for years now.. as good as T2 was, it went against continuity. They blew the time machine after Reese went through. End of story.
I was thinking along the same lines newc0253 by just pillow talk	Mar 19th, 2008 06:49:54 AM
At least, that's the only way I can see it fit into the existing story. Now the kid may be an excellent actor, but I'm getting really tired of having young kids take over main leads in action movies. Just like they want to make Jack Ryan younger then even when Ben played him. What the fuck happened to actors playing bad assess who are actually old enough and battle worn to fit the part?
The problem with The Terminator franchise... by rbatty024	Mar 19th, 2008 06:50:09 AM
is that with the element of time travel nothing is permanent. They can change anything and claim, whoops, it was time travel. It's the same problem with most time travel films, but with The Terminator they openly flaunt time travel paradoxes.
friends with a machine?? by kafka07	Mar 19th, 2008 06:57:24 AM
why not? I talk to my iPod all the time. I say to it, you piece of shit! why do you keep crashing! it's kind of a love-hate relationship.
there's no way Kyle would befriend a terminator... by logicalnoise01	Mar 19th, 2008 07:01:03 AM
without knowing it was a terminator. Kyle himself said before the t-800(arnold's model) all the terminators had rubber skin and were easy to pick out on the battlefield. However on the SCC Skynet sent more advanced models back in time that are capable of fitting into normal life(one had a human wife). WIth that said it still makes no sense since the franchise runners said SCC has no bearing on the movies.
First Harry think of a catchphrase... by random dude	Mar 19th, 2008 07:03:14 AM
like "Chocolat covered pussy juice" or in this case "bugnuts", and then searches for a movie to review. Because eventually it doesn't matter what he reviews, but controversy in TB is very important. It keeps AICN alive. Fuck you, Harry.
I posted in the wrong comment section. by random dude	Mar 19th, 2008 07:03:48 AM
I'm sorry.
Can we have a young Terminator? by solartaco3	Mar 19th, 2008 07:07:36 AM
He could be the awkward robot in Terminator High School who learns to be cool just in time for the dance.
Dumb question, and I could be wrong but by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 07:10:46 AM
I thought in T1 Kyle said he grew up after Judgment Day. In TSCC he was like 6 or 8 when the bombs hit (a great flashback sequence by the way) so, my question is am I imagining he said it, or did TSCC screw with canon again.
To the filmmakers of this turd : by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 07:25:54 AM
You bunch of moronic, no talent, wannabes should better find work as prostitutes like Lee Tamahori, because that's WHAT YOU ARE. RUINING THE FRANCHISE. You come and you Terminate cults movies, all in the name of money. YOU PEOPLE ARE WORST THAN THE PLAGUE.
Okay.. so young Kyle has a friend with rubber skin by fanboy71	Mar 19th, 2008 07:29:26 AM
and he can't figure out it's a machine? I didn't take him for being that dumb. That is the most horrible Idea they could have possibly pulled out of their ass. Why must we have a "good" terminator in every movie now?
Quint Asks... by Aquatarkusman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:30:53 AM
"Why can't this be a straight up science fiction war movie?" Knowing who's in the director's chair, you should have stopped after the word "Why"
Michael Biehn Isn't Quite Dead.. He's Getting Better by Aquatarkusman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:34:50 AM
He was Johnny Ringo in Tombstone, after all... wasn't he? I can't tell with all that weird facial hair. Was that 10-12 years ago? Whoops.
Biehn is actually a damn good actor... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 07:35:08 AM
The man more than held his own opposite Ed Harris (in both The Abyss and The Rock), Sigourney Weaver (in Aliens), and Val Kilmer (in Tombstone), being one of the best things about all of those movies. On top of that if you've ever seen In A Shallow Grave, Lords Of Discipline, Rampage, or even some of his earlier work in a great arc on Hill Street Blues or the horror/thriller The Fan, you'd know what this guy was capable of, and why it's such a damn shame that his career seemed to largely stall in the 90's, as he became relegated to direct to video hell. Likewise take a look at his performances in little seen flicks like K2, The 7th Sign or The Ride. The man has much more talent that he's given credit for, and he was great in the original Terminator to boot.
Abyss by Salamander	Mar 19th, 2008 07:35:16 AM
Last film i saw Biehn was i think the abyss recently sure differnet role there. I liked the guy in terminator thought he was an okay actor, excellent in aliens but yeah his career has not exactly shone after those flicks shame underated.
THAT KID LOOKS LIKE A PUSSY by Mullah Omar	Mar 19th, 2008 07:36:35 AM
Yeah, I know that's not nice, but that is my heartfelt reaction. Aren't there any wiry young badasses in Hollywood? Guys who have Biehn's freaky "I've been off my meds for days" sparkle in his eyes and speech pattern? Maybe some kind of ultimate fighting guys who got injured and are trying their hand at something new? Even that dude from INTO THE WILD would be a step up from this pussy - he can at least pull off the half-wacko part of the Reese role.
Clearly He's Supposed To Be A Young Kyle Reese by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 07:40:10 AM
Duh. How can you judge the movie as being a disaster already? Hopefully it'll be cool.
Grammaton Cleric Binks, the explanation is... by lukasman	Mar 19th, 2008 07:41:43 AM
That the events in T2 DELAYED the date of Judgement Day, thats why now Kyle is a bit older when this day comes...
Friends with the Terminator by thalvar	Mar 19th, 2008 07:41:48 AM
Maybe that's why he hates them. What if, in the story, Kyle has no idea Marcus is a Terminator until it betrays him? Or maybe he knew it was a Terminator, it betrays him, and from there the hatred is born.
"23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle" please... by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 07:43:35 AM
...shut it. T2 is a fucking masterpiece. I've watched it more than 53 (stopped counting after that) times and it still fucking amazes me! So please shut your mouth. Thank you.
Bah... Continuity is for film geeks by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 07:52:17 AM
The average 12 million or so movie goers out there don't give a shit about continuity. They don't know, and they don't care. But the 50,000 film geeks who pay attention to the stuff they watch do care. But they're such a small fraction of the movie going audience that I guess some execs just don't feel they need to pay attention to them or their views.
So genocide isn't enough of a reason... by Sledge Hammer	Mar 19th, 2008 07:53:11 AM
...to hate Skynet and Terminators now, there has to be a personal betrayal as well. Still seems pretty damn stupid to me for any number of reasons. As for who should have played young Reese in this, they should have gotten Timothy Olyphant, fucker looks quite a bit like Biehn from back in the day, and he's got the same crazy eyes to boot.
Kyle Reese is all man by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 07:53:46 AM
He is so much man, that he never was a boy. Way to shit on the legend that was Cameron's Terminator.
Young Darth Vader is...Jake Llyod/Hayden Christensen by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 07:59:44 AM
And we all know how cool that was.
Young John Connor is ... Edward Furlong! by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 19th, 2008 08:01:12 AM

Sorry, I had more but it got lost in the send. by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:01:43 AM
I went on to say that it's a shame the studio execs don't listen to us film geeks, because if they did, they might actually make a Terminator movie that is not only good, but one that also makes SENSE! As for the T2 continuity error of sending back more machines after the first time travel machine was destroyed, isn't it possible that, if they can build more and more terminators, they could also build more and more time machines? I don't much care for McG or his movies. I didn't like T3 at all. Didn't like John, didn't care for Claire Danes' character, and I also think Arnie phoned in that performance. Not to mention the total illogic of them walking/running in to the heart of a massively fortified military base like they were going in to a 7-11. DUMB.I don't think I'll give this new movie my money And this kid isn't Reese. Nor would he ever grow up to BE Reese. He might grow up to be T.S. Garp. I could see that.
He looks totally badass! by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 08:07:02 AM
Joke. Okay, so Reese is a goofy looking kid who becomes friends with a terminator like some Saturday morning children's special. "Hey, lets not fight. Lets be friends. Yay!" Um, yeah, this is totally not going to suck ass....um..yeah.
Good point, Juggernaut125 by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:08:13 AM
about that continuity thingie and the 5 million morons vs 50000 nerds (like me!) :-) .Good point.
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle you fail at life by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:12:58 AM
you do realize that T2 is considered one of the most rewatchable movies ever right? A certified 'classic' already. So shut the fuck up with this it doesn't hold up to repeated viewings because you're completely alone in that thought.
Young Steve Segal is....Jonah Hill! by Cletus Van Damme	Mar 19th, 2008 08:17:07 AM
Accept this as fact
Mayber the Terminator turns on him at some point by indyjonez100	Mar 19th, 2008 08:17:36 AM
Thus fueling his hatred which we see in the first Terminator movie. Just a thought
These are prequels... by mr.brownstone	Mar 19th, 2008 08:21:11 AM
If the first movie started with "flash backs" to the future then these new stories take place in the "past" where the story started... or did the story start with Dyson... or when the first T101 and Reese were sent back. I don't know tech stuff.
indyjonez100 and thalvar by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 08:22:36 AM
Someone already made this point, but is mass genocide of the human race, the slaughter of their families and loved ones and friends by terminators not enough to convince you two that Reese should hate terminators as much as he does, and he needs to be betrayed by a friend terminator to convince you? If so, stick to watching afterschool specials.
Good point Abom I mean the only Reese by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:24:09 AM
we know until TSCC came along was a guy so hardcore he steals the pants off a bum, takes down a cop bare-handed, swipes the shotgun from the rack later, then goes about his mission so focused it isn't funny. That after being dropped into something he has no concept of. The person he is trying to help bites him, and he just sits their and takes it. Reese is one of those characters who is the ultimate bad ass. I understand the need for a young Reese, but this does water him down in our minds.
The movie takes place in 2019. 8 years before by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:24:45 AM
Kyle is sent back. So people saying get older guys, Kyle is supposed to be young but not that young nor black haired.
There is no continuity flaw in T2 by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:26:50 AM
Skynet could of built another time machine since they had to send back the T-1000. Remember John Conner sent Kyle Reese to 1984 from 2027, and then sent Arnold to 1995 from 2029. Think much? Dumb cunce.
You know who would have made a great by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:27:23 AM
Reese if they made this when he was about the right age? Lucas Black. I've never seen a kid actor that intense. I was never a fan of American Gothic, caught a few minutes here and there, but that kid can seriously act. I guess he's not a kid anymore though.
I'm pretty sure I saw this Kyle Reese bagging my groceries by just pillow talk	Mar 19th, 2008 08:28:47 AM
He was such a badass the way he put all the produce in one bag. He's a crazy muthafucker.
Uhhh the betrayal thing by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 08:31:03 AM
I think the difference is in the fact John Conner trusts reprogrammed Terminators. But look at Derek Reese from the TV show, he hates Terminators, regardless, there's the difference. Maybe Kyle ends up hating them completely like his brother, not even trusting a reprogrammed one.
Actually Grammaton by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:31:30 AM
I LIKE that idea. His last film (that I know of) was TFatF:Tokyo Drift. And from what I saw in the trailers (not gonna put money down on that movie either), he's grown into a strong young adult character. The kind that Reese WOULD be.
So Juggernaut you think they could use Black by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 08:37:57 AM
to be older than this kid, younger than T1 Reese, and make the movie that way? Like I said I haven't seen his stuff in a while so I don't even know what he looks like now.
This movie will McBomb! by donwillymo	Mar 19th, 2008 08:38:25 AM

I'm assuming Fox renewed the series? by Sithdan	Mar 19th, 2008 08:41:44 AM
Sarah Connor Chronicles is at least better than half the shit on television (Dancing with the Stars, Moment of Truth, Survivor, American Idol, the list goes on and on). I hope to see it back next year. I'm assuming it's been renewed? Obviously, if I like it, it has to be good.
What wrong with his eye ? by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 08:47:40 AM
Look at the picture ! The guy have half his face falling down, his left eye is lower than the right eye ! So this is what we get now, mOnsters casts in mythical franchises ? MCG producer and director. He was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. With a psychology degree from UC Irvine, McG started as a still photographer in the music business, shooting local bands and musicians with whom he was friendly. All their careers tanked. He produced the debut album by Sugar Ray, Lemonade and Brownies. Bands that made it big. Eventually, this led him to direct music videos, namely many for Korn which with their vomits obsession, appealed to him. His "films" (as wannabe director) include Charlie's Angels, Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, We Are Marshall. His television series include Fastlane, The O.C., Supernatural, Chuck and Pussycat Dolls Present: Search for the Next Doll. He has, according to the producers, signed on to direct the next installment of the Terminator franchise: Terminator Salvation: The Future Begins. Chances are he won't salvage anything, but more like destroy the franchise.
Absolutely. by Juggernaut125	Mar 19th, 2008 08:49:39 AM
He's older than the fucknuts they hired, and still much younger than Bale, so it wouldn't be a father/son relationship so much as a friend or mentor kind of thing. Black is a great choice, IMO. McG, if you're browsing this site, dump the stooge and get Lucas Black's agent on the phone. (And drop the Reese befriend's an early version of the Terminators storyline while you're at it.)
The card trick kid from Curb Your Enthusiasm! by skycrapper	Mar 19th, 2008 08:51:05 AM
Get Larry David to be the friendly Terminator. Unless he gains about 30 pounds of muscle I don't see this smug little punk as Reese.
Pillow by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 09:10:16 AM
at the grocery store when the cash register shorted out and the girl asked Kyle what was wrong, did the teenage bagboy say, "I don't KNOW!! I didn't BUILD the FUCKING THING!!"
Maybe sam worthington is a friend, and then... by StovetopStuffin'	Mar 19th, 2008 09:11:08 AM
gets killed and a terminator mimics him? Thus creating that hatred? That would be a great way to build the characters in the film. I don't mind McG making a terminator film, especially if it's serious and not poking fun with a lot of inside jokes. But don't touch Spaced Goddammit!!!
The new terminator will be.......Sasha Mitchell by johnnyg korrupt	Mar 19th, 2008 09:14:19 AM
And Nicole Eggert will be Sarah Conner....talking about aging she looks bad for 36. Doesn't the Sam Worthington character just seem totally redundant? i mean why not just beef up Bales role as John Conner? And has Josh Brolin been confirmed as the new terminator yet or what? I'm Aussie by the way and have never see Sam Worthington even look half decent in any role whatsoever
yeah, he doesnt look the part but.... by RockLobster800	Mar 19th, 2008 09:15:01 AM
y'know, maybe this is BEFORE the war fucks with the kid and hes forced to become a hard arse...its called acting and character development folks...remember how much of a wuss linda hamilton was in Terminator 1 and yet she was a total bad ass in the second one? then again Reese is supposed to be born and raised in a war zone so...yeah, I dont even know why Im trying to defend this as I incredibly dont want this flick to happen!
messi... by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 09:15:23 AM
when Kyle Reese and the Terminator went back in time, the humans had already won. The machines had lost the war. Sending The Terminator back was their last desperate attempt to save themselves. They shouldn't even be around 2 years later to build another time machine.
Kyle Reese by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 09:20:29 AM
is an icon in the Church of Chang. That boy is not.
GREAT!!!!!! JUST LIKE DARTH VADER by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:38:00 AM
We get to see a tough icon in his infancy, thereby destroying the originals' iconic impressions. Someone call 911 I want to report a childhood rape!!!!
Quit Fucking This Series by bobinnova	Mar 19th, 2008 09:38:09 AM
Why the fuck are they throwing in Kyle Reese? I can understand a possible cameo, but the only reason why they make this kind of announcement this early is to show this will be a central character in the movie with John Connor. The movie should focus on the war and John and leave Kyle out of the central plot. As for the "friends with Terminator benefits", that has all the stink of the television series where they showed terminators assisting the rebels before turning on them unexpectedly. I was hoping this movie would rock and the television series would attempt to match the movie's quality, but its looking like this movie is attempting to match the television series. T4 - The Kyle Reese Chronicles
Isn't SHIA discovered by McG practically? by Frye777	Mar 19th, 2008 09:39:17 AM
Many of you compared this noodle-boy to Shia. Charlie's Angels 2 with Shia directed by McG...
I'll hop on the 'betrayed friend' train by VAWitch	Mar 19th, 2008 09:40:48 AM
It seems a rather plausible reason for his deep hatred of the machines, esp when combined w/ the destruction in "his" time by the Terminators & Cyberdyne.
ELLEN PAGE LOOKS TOUGHER THAN HIM by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:43:05 AM
How about Ellen Page as a female Terminator used to seduce Kyle? Hmm. Great idea!
GO FUCK YOURSELF, MCTERMINATOR. by uss cygnus	Mar 19th, 2008 09:45:05 AM
Go to hell in a fast car.
COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 09:48:32 AM
Do you wanna play with my Wii Sarah?
Reese will be betrayed by Xian042	Mar 19th, 2008 09:58:37 AM
Fueling his rage for the machines. If its an early Terminator, it will probably look more robotic. It will probably be reprogrammed, or be programmed all along to kill at a certian time. I have faith
Typical teenage looking effeminate Abercrombie by picardsucks	Mar 19th, 2008 09:59:01 AM
Sexually ambiguous stuff. Those hollywood guys sure loves them some young beanpole , men who look 14 and are built like Keira Knightly, casting couch lovin!! You know I'm reaaly starting to believe this secret hollywood agenda stuff. I think they really do want to neuter men and make them more oh I don't know metrosexual??? Well let's just cross this off my list, another movie I will never fucking see. Next up casting the guy from Smallville who played Aquaman as The Terminator, freshly plucked nether regions and all!!!
THIS MOVIE WILL BE PANCAKEPLIERS by ArcadianDS	Mar 19th, 2008 10:02:51 AM
So says Harry. Also, he will tell us about the snot in his nose.
I don't know about this casting choice by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 19th, 2008 10:03:25 AM
no need to validate my fanhood of this franchise....This is a little wierd casting choice that if pulled off we will all be eating crow. Christian Bale is on board to play John Connor as well as the James Cameron approved Sam Worthington. I shall now display patience as well as faith.....
Luiz Guzman by T 1000 xp professional	Mar 19th, 2008 10:05:32 AM
as a young kyle reese
From the director of "Charlie's Angels"... by HueyFreeman	Mar 19th, 2008 10:12:47 AM
I'm not sure I need to say much more than that.
If there's a god in heaven by Abominable Snowcone	Mar 19th, 2008 10:14:22 AM
we would be blessed with Ghostbusters III, but we're not and there isn't. I just wanted to put that out there. Video games do not count as movies.
JAMES by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:14:55 AM

CAMERON by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:15:15 AM

WOULDN'T by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:15:45 AM

DO THIS by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 10:16:07 AM

Summer Glau rules by RogueWarrior65	Mar 19th, 2008 10:18:42 AM
Nuff said. She's a robo-babe...literally.
Hollyweird producers demand their boy meat by kabong	Mar 19th, 2008 10:23:24 AM
in every movie
I doubt by Seth Cohen	Mar 19th, 2008 10:26:21 AM
even the sheer awesomeness of the Batman himself, Christian Bale, is enough to rescue us from the black hole level sucking power of McG
Poor Michael Biehn by rev_skarekroe	Mar 19th, 2008 10:27:57 AM
So close to being a real action hero, but always second fiddle.
Apparently... by micturatingbenjamin	Mar 19th, 2008 10:28:51 AM
Reese was a JW when he was a kid. 'Did you know that Jehova has a fucking plan for your life, meat?! Come with me if you want everlasting life.'
Marcus won't be a Terminator by Mr Writer	Mar 19th, 2008 10:33:48 AM
He's a clone of a dead resistance fighter with a computer chip in his brain, which allows Skynet to periodically control him. Even he doesn't know he's not the real Marcus as his memories are all jumbled up after being injured. He's mostly man, but partially a machine - an experimental cyborg rather than an early Terminator - and he's constantly battling Skynet's orders without knowing it. If handled right, Kyle Reese's hatred for machines (which should be present even at a young age) is only be intensified when he discover his "friend" has had his brain scooped out by Skynet and is being forced to turn against the resistance. My bet is that Kyle is the one who ultimately terminates Marcus before Connor sends him back in time.
Um...so how's he gonna bang Stiffler's Mom? by fiester	Mar 19th, 2008 10:37:40 AM
Is this a Graduate remake?
What next, Reese making homo love to the rubber skin robot ? by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 10:50:42 AM
Mc G deserves to be jailed and have a retrainment order putting him away from any form of camera.
I think this movie will SUCK. by Proman1984	Mar 19th, 2008 10:52:53 AM
That's what I think.
A few things... by Reel American Hero	Mar 19th, 2008 10:56:51 AM
1. First off, an actor's hair color does not matter. I don't know if anyone's ever heard of this, but there's these things...I think they're new...called wigs. Or hair dye. So an actor's given hair color does not matter. 2. To whoever is wishing for a Ghostbusters 3 movie. That boat has sailed unfortunately, I know I for one don't want to see the older, fatter versions of the Ghostbusters, or let alone, them training a new generation to spin off into a new franchise. The video game is the only way we can see the Ghostbusters in their prime in new adventures. It's sad, but true. But the game actually does look pretty badass,that's just me though. 3. Just be glad we're getting a sequal to Terminator instead of a reboot the franchise remake as seems to be the trend in Hollywood. The only original films I ever see mentioned on here are indie, intellectual stuff that's usually not my sort of thing. And now they're even remaking stuff from not that long ago. God, how much longer do you think before they decide to remake Jurassic Park, or remake all the John Hughes movies with the High School Musical cast....shoot me now...no I'm sorry, I meant shoot them.
mcgenious by MrScientist	Mar 19th, 2008 10:58:05 AM
i mean mcgay. how long b4 bale drops out? hopefully not long. or do i want him to stay to balance this out? hmmm.
those fake ears make this kid look funny too by MrScientist	Mar 19th, 2008 11:02:02 AM
oh theyre real? oh sorry.
I remain optimistic. by JDanielP	Mar 19th, 2008 11:03:14 AM
If McG has the talent that I believe he has, he has yet to show his true potential. Thus, I predict this movie is going to surprise most people.
Abom, Ghostbusters two was a bomb by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 11:14:06 AM
Ha, I kill me. But seriously, I think many agree it sucked,and that's why if there is justice we will never see GBIII. With so many movies we love there is the oops, one too many thing going on. Robo3, a good example. Matrix also, since both Reloaded and Revolutions were filmed simultaneously.
You know, Quint... by Archive	Mar 19th, 2008 11:15:51 AM
Nobody said Kyle KNOWS Marcus is a terminator, did they? This could just be sloppy spoilage on their part, no?
veebeeyes by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 11:20:13 AM
that may be true but that's from the future Kyle was from, when he went back and fucked Linda Hamilton he changed the future, delaying it and changing the details. Judgment Day happened later, Kyle was born before Judgment Day and the humans didn't win in 2027.
Timeline question by Freakemovie	Mar 19th, 2008 11:27:12 AM
Maybe I overlooked something but isn't Kyle supposed to be roughly the same age as John?
For Quint... by 2dope	Mar 19th, 2008 11:30:03 AM
I think if you step back and think a moment, the plotline (should it be true) makes perfect sense. Should Reese befriend a Terminator, without knowing it obviously, and then the Terminator betrays him, it would completely explain his hatred and disdain for the Terminators. Just my two cents...
I've got enough good sequels to keep me happy by Spandau Belly	Mar 19th, 2008 11:32:19 AM
We've got Rambo 5, Bourne 4, 4 Fast 4 Furious, Transporter 3 all on their way, I'm a happy sequel camper right now. So another pointless Terminator fanfic epilogue will sneak by without me even thinking about watching it.
I'm thinking that ... by cruehead20	Mar 19th, 2008 11:33:17 AM
Danny Pintaro could kick this guys ass.
Uh I think Reese is just pissed that his by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 19th, 2008 11:35:46 AM
world his a cinder, his civilization dead, their world poisoned his race is living like rats, and facing extermination. I don't think we need a touch feely oh the big bad terminator betrayed me to see his anger.
Mr. Writer... by BLEST	Mar 19th, 2008 11:46:04 AM
"He's a clone of a dead resistance fighter with a computer chip in his brain, which allows Skynet to periodically control him. Even he doesn't know he's not the real Marcus as his memories are all jumbled up after being injured. He's mostly man, but partially a machine - an experimental cyborg rather than an early Terminator - and he's constantly battling Skynet's orders without knowing it. If handled right, Kyle Reese's hatred for machines (which should be present even at a young age) is only be intensified when he discover his "friend" has had his brain scooped out by Skynet and is being forced to turn against the resistance. My bet is that Kyle is the one who ultimately terminates Marcus before Connor sends him back in time." Now, THAT would actually be good! It would fit in well with the existing mood of the the original film. Can you make the movie instead of McGay?
by redkamel	Mar 19th, 2008 11:53:18 AM
maybe the "early terminator" is the human the terminator is based on.
Yelchin's alright but... by drewlicious	Mar 19th, 2008 11:53:53 AM
I seriously wanted to punch Charlie Bartlett in the face. There were times he had my sympahty and then he pisses it away by running out and doing something annoying, like going out to the crowd and announcing that he just mated with a woman. Zap Brannigan did it better. So does this take place almost immediately after the initial attack because Yelchin doesn't look like he could survive in post-apocalyptic wasteland.
Don't hate the casting, hate the lame plot device by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:00:08 PM
Seriously, I like the idea that Kyle Reese's character starts out being a wide-eyed kid, looking up to his commander, who happens to be his son... I always wanted to see that dynamic on screen. I have a serious man-crush on Bale, and I'm hoping his excellence balances out the floating turd that is McG. What I can't stand, CAN'T FUCKING STAND, is yet another sub-plot with terminator love. Why, why why can't these lethal, soulless, killing machines just be left to be what they were intended to be? I know they represent our own capacity for mindless killing, our own spiritual sense of spiritual vertigo in the face of the abyss of nihilistic emptiness, but can't we please just see them slaughter a bunch of motherfuckers, please?? T2 was excellent, and the father figure subplot was necessary, and carried off well by everyone involved, but that's where it should have ended. I hate this hollywood habit of constantly trading on the successes of past sequels, upgrading plot points for the 'now' generation... it sickens me. I don't want to see anyone 'befriend' another goddamn terminator. I want to see rubber skin being burned off by heavy arms fire and waves upon waves of human soldiers being ripped to pieces by terminators in various stages of human drag. It's not fucking rocket science. Anyway, does anyone have any fucking good news today or what?
Rambo will save this one by stamper	Mar 19th, 2008 12:04:32 PM
I think Rambo will appear right after Connor rape Reese, and then will reduce him to jello with his machine gun.
but it should be the same future. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:04:39 PM
The future from which Kyle Reese came from should be the same future that the movies are leading up to. Kyle Reese was ALWAYS John Connor's dad, hence the significance of the photograph in the first movie. The photograph that John Connor gives to Kyle Reese is EXACTLY the same photograph that Sarah Connor has taken AFTER she kills the Terminator. More importantly, she never would have taken the picture if the events of the movie had not occured, indicating that everything that happens HAS to happen exactly as it happens. Nothing should have ever been changed, nothing should have ever been delayed, and there should not be two versions of the future. The first movie in fact implies that nothing can be changed at all. Anything that happens in any of the movies should lead directly to the EXACT same future that Kyle Reese came from.
HAAAAGGGGGGGISSSS! by Vern	Mar 19th, 2008 12:16:15 PM
I'm not too familiar with the kid but I don't got a problem with him. Let's be honest, Michael Biehn is not Charles Bronson. And if Edward Furlong can grow up into Christian Bale I don't see why this guy can't grow up into Biehn. Somebody else probaly mentioned this already but the more troubling news in the article is that Paul Haggis is in talks to rewrite the script. I should probaly cut the guy some slack because I have liked some of his movies, and I heard IN THE VALLEY OF ELAH was pretty good. And he didn't ruin CASINO ROYALE. But after seeing CRASH it's hard not to picture him being the guy who took the CASINO ROYALE script and said "wait, this part where she's in the shower and her devastated expression communicates everything we need to know? How about we also have her SAY IT OUT LOUD!" Or all those speeches in FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS. I am still suspicious of the guy, as if he was a Terminator. As for Sam Worthington being a Terminator, that sounds like either a mistake in the article or a huge spoiler. Isn't he supposed to be the lead character of the trilogy?
I agree with veebeeyes by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:17:10 PM
Hear that, McG? Cameron's movie is an example of how you make a movie properly. The opposite of a McG movie. godDAMN I'm pissed about this. I'll bet we're not even going to get the cathartic, long awaited actual WAR SCENES I've been waiting to see since I was 14. There will be no time left, after all the fucking terminator love. It's going to be like X3 all over again, I know it. How do you put Juggernaut and Colossus in the same movie, and not have a fight scene? You let a hack director get within ten miles of it, that's how.
Marcus and Kyle go to White Castle by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 12:38:50 PM
Kyle: Whassup, fellow human resistance fighter? Marcus9000: NOTHING TO REPORT Kyle: Awesome! Hey, I hate this war, and the rubber skinned terminators that we fight against on a daily basis. Marcus9000: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. SKYNET WILL CONQUER ALL. YOUR DAYS ARE NUMBERED, YOU EMOTION-FILLED MEAT-CREATURE. Kyle: You said it bro. Man it's hot in here, why aren't you sweating? And why does it smell like new tires in here? Marcus9000: YOURE GOING TO BANG YOUR COMMANDER'S MOM AND BECOME HIS DAD. CAMERON IS SUPERIOR. Kyle: Yeah? Far out... I'm hungry for McGarbage.
Ghostbusters 2... by Billy Batts	Mar 19th, 2008 12:40:30 PM
...was one of the better movie sequels.
I enjoy the tv show, but it isn't canon. by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 12:40:49 PM
Or at least, it shouldn't be. T3 barely is. The "Cormarie's head had flesh on it" explanation was almost, almost enough for me to turn it off once and for all, but I stuck it out, because I was able to take a deep breath and accept deep down in my heart that it wasn't a real Terminator story. more of a "what if", or a "Frasier" type spinoff.
veebeeyes by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 12:44:32 PM
Too bad that's how it works. They alter the future, Kyle is his father but the details change, he still has the photograph in this new future. it's a maleable timeline. Read some DC comics son.
i think T3 was the first movie to REALLY mess up. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:46:06 PM
Even though T2 had this sort of theme going on that Judgement Day could be stopped, I don't see that as being necesarily contradictory to the first movie. Like, I know that very few records survived Judgement Day. But if the records had survived, one could see them accurately reflecting everything that happened in Terminator or T2. For example, if one were to look up the records for Miles Dyson, one could conceivably imagine that there would be reference to him blowing up the Cyberdyne research center for reasons unknown. And for every person who the Terminators killed, one could imagine that in the future from which Kyle Reese came from, the records would bear out the fact that they died on exactly the same time and place that they died in the movies. Hell, even the existence of the first Terminator's arm and CPU. One could argue that Terminator 2 had to happen in order to prevent Judgement Day from happening BEFORE the date that it's supposed to happen. Rather than the destruction of the Terminator parts delaying Judgement Day past its original date, one could see the events of T2 as ensuring that Judgement Day happens ON THE ORIGINAL DATE. But T3 fucked it up early on in the movie, and here's how. The T-X has a list of targets to kill, AND SHE ACTUALLY KILLS THEM. Now THAT is blatantly contradictory. That should not happen. Because if they are the T-X's targets, that means that they are alive in the future. When the T-X kills them, that is actually the very first time in the entire series when we clearly and undeniably start to deal with TWO futures. One could certainly argue that that never even happened in T2. And as far as T2 occuring at all, I am willing to concede that the good Terminator went through the time machine after Kyle Reese, and that Kyle Reese never knew about it. And then they blew up the time machine. I'm willing to allow that. Because that's only two bad guys and two good guys going through the time machine before it is destroyed. But with T3 and SCC, apparently more people keep on going through the time machine. And eventually it gets to the point where I'm like, "Jesus christ, do these guys really have any intention of blowing up the time machine at all? How many fucking people are they gonna keep sending through it?"
Huff sucked and that kid needs a slappin! by Raymar	Mar 19th, 2008 12:46:44 PM
Smug little...
by JoeySS	Mar 19th, 2008 12:47:54 PM
this will be cool if he hates terminators because his friendly one turns on him at the end..lol
He was fantastic in "Charlie Bartlett" by Kid Idioteque	Mar 19th, 2008 12:50:03 PM
I haven't seen him in anything else.
I don't consider comics to be canon. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 12:52:42 PM
Besides, EVERYTHING is merely a "detail". The idea that some things have to happen, while other things are allowed to change doesn't make sense to me anyway. Everything is merely an event, and as far as causality goes, there should be nothing distinguishing one event from any other. Regardless, neither The Terminator nor Terminator 2 had a single clear instance of anything being changed, so I'm going to go with the interpretation of time travel provided by the movies. If you choose not to, that is your decision and I do not have a problem with that.
Bale and Brolin for JLA! by samurai sark	Mar 19th, 2008 12:53:08 PM
We all know T4 will not live up to any expectations we have. Even playing the 'wait and see' card seems to be like supporting a lame duck.
Veebeeyes, that's why I had a problem with T3 as well by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 01:11:45 PM
At the end of T2, it was still conceivable that nothing had changed. There's no explanation for why, assuming that the events of the 1st movie didn't affect Commander Connor's 'present' (our future) there would be a need to send back reprogrammed Ahnold, but one assumes that after some incidental period of time, the T1000 was sent through Skynet's own time machine, swiftly followed by Arnie, thus leading to the sequel. I always assumed that it was Skynet's final bid for victory, it may have even happened IMMEDIATELY after Reese was sent through, but somehow I don't like that idea. Anyway, you're right, the Terminatrix killing Connor's agents was the first obvious time paradox- how would she know to kill them if they didn't exist in the future? Also, Arnold tells young adult Connor in T3 that they didn't stop Judgment Day, they only 'delayed' it, which bothered me, because that retroactively establishes that the events of T2 actually DID change the future, which I stubbornly reject, from the core of my dork heart. Those were just two of the problems, not even getting into some of the deeper problems with the mythos, for example, how do the humans survive the radiation in a nuclear wasteland, and, why don't the machines just wage chemical or biological warfare on the humans, but I'm getting into sacriligious territory here, so I'll stop.
ghostbusters 2 was surprising... by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 01:13:57 PM
in that no one seemed to have much of a problem with the Ghostbusters fucking up the Statue of Liberty. sure, they only did it in order to save New York City from ghosts, but still...
I just looked at the picture again... by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 01:19:59 PM
He really is a funny looking kid, isn't he? Why are his ears so high on his head? The tops of your ears are supposed to line up with your eyes. Look at yourself in the mirror. Now look at this kid.
Is this a new set of 3 T movies, no fukn way by fisheater	Mar 19th, 2008 01:25:17 PM

Snake Eyes pic tomorrow on AICN? by SpencerTrilby	Mar 19th, 2008 01:33:44 PM
IESB says so, as well as a little jab at Harry and his privileged relationship with Paramount's Senior VP in Marketing, Amy Powell... You just got married, for Christ's sake!!!
HAAAAGGGGGGGISSSS! by UMAGA	Mar 19th, 2008 01:40:08 PM
would be working on a script by the writers of CATWOMAN. Give him some slack. If T3 is any indication i'd rather have those moments you talked about then "TALK TO THE HAND!" and growing cyber-breasts.
Get DAKOTA FANNING for the Friendly Terminator by mwrisner	Mar 19th, 2008 01:48:55 PM
It'd make a great match for young, wuss-looking Reese. Crimony, I HATE when frachises do stoopid shit, like cast Shia LeBouf with Harrison Ford.
Get the kid from the TV Series by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 01:50:10 PM
He's the best Conner!
A Terminator steals Reese's skittles by Bobo_Vision	Mar 19th, 2008 01:51:57 PM
And he gets chocolate in his peanut butter. That pushes Reese over the edge and makes him hate Terminators. Before that he was neutral.
What's Wrong With Haggis? by bobinnova	Mar 19th, 2008 01:55:46 PM
Impressive resume I would say - CRASH, MILLION DOLLAR BABY, CASINO ROYALE, LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, VALLEY OF ELAH, and he is currently working on QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
T3 doesn't have a paradox by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:10:38 PM
sure you can say it creates a paradox if she kills the guys but then again how is Kyle Reese John Connor's father? Because it's not a linear timeline, but a maleable one similar to the way Time Travel works in DC Comics with Booster Gold and Rip Hunter currently, that time adjusts itself but details change. And remember in T1 John Connor sent Kyle Reese from 2027 where they won the war, but sending Kyle back changed the future and suddenly the war was still going on in 2029 where John sent Arnold back. Remember, it's all fiction anyway and you can't say there is contradictions etc becaue you're arguing that from the mentallity that you know the specifics of time travel.
samsquanch by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 02:13:41 PM
The last bit makes me want to utter that immortal quote from this site "Shut the fuck up and watch the news"
Grace Park for female Terminator by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 02:14:13 PM
Way hotter than Katee Sackhoff.
The Rubber Terminator violates Reese by The Winged Doucheman	Mar 19th, 2008 02:16:23 PM
by transforming into a dildo. Trust is broken and Reese doesn't know what to believe anymore. He joins a cult and learns the way of the league of shadows. There he meets Bruce Way...er...I mean John Conner and becomes part of the resistance after Rahs Al Guhl's house is burned to the ground by T-800s. They form a rag tag bunch of singing paperboys who kill hobos and vapid socialites in a machinist shop. Then tits and explosions. Lots of em. And full frontal non-diegetic inserts. That is a fucking movie I would go see. McGriddle can suck my balls.
CHUD is saying John Connor is a glorified cameo role by IndustryKiller!	Mar 19th, 2008 02:17:36 PM
My god the news on this just keeps getting worse. I mean I knew it was gonna be bad but it sounds like we have another Waterworld on our hands here. If Bale isn't in just about every frame of this movie there will be absolutely nothing worth seeing. What kind of idiot writes a Terminator robot war movie and doesn't make John Connor the star?
i'll have to check the dates. by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 02:23:57 PM
I'll have to watch Terminator and Terminator 2 again to check the dates. if they are indeed different, then i will have to revise my stance on Terminator 2. as far as how Kyle Reese can be John Connor's father, that requires a discussion about the rules of time travel, which I'm afraid I am not in the mood to get too in depth about right now. I'll bring it up later if you wish.
Yes they're going to grizzle the kid up for a photo-op by Larry Sellers	Mar 19th, 2008 02:28:29 PM
just to prove the TBers wrong. T3 contradicted the first two films, the TV series continues to do so...yet somehow this casting proves to be more controversial than either of those? T3 and the series work...and whoever above said that Terminator was a B-movie that happened to work is 100% right. I doubt that it was planned for T1 to lay the groundwork for a big budget sequel. If it's an "all out man v machine war" you're looking for...that'd be a bit boring wouldn't it? This Marcus character adds a gray area to an otherwise black and white war. And I'm sure (considering the nods the series stretches its neck out to make) they'll take into consideration Reese's personality in T1.
CHUD's intel by Freakemovie	Mar 19th, 2008 02:32:55 PM
Was on a draft of the script written before they landed Christian Bale, I believe. (Or just a rumor.) Once you land Bale to play John Fuckin Connor I have to believe you beef up the role like crazy.
Cromartie thing was bullshit!!! by pdennett316	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:19 PM
It had flesh on it. No it fucking didn't, it clearly was just endoskeleton skull. Even if it had flesh on it, it still WOULD have flesh on it when it arrived, only dead stuff doesn't go through. The best explaination is that the people who make the show are too stupid to realise how badly they've messed up simple conventions of the series. Since when could T-800 models remotely control body parts? If that was the case the original Terminator could have used his blown off legs to kick Sarah's head in while the torso distracted her. Also this Terminator/Kyle betrayal thing reeks of shitty storytelling. Mass genocide of the majority of the human race is not enough motivation for hating machines? No, he needs to be 'emotionally betrayed'. What shit! Does he braid Reese's hair wrong leading to him being picked on? "I was embarrassed at the annual Judgement Day Remembrance Ball...how could you Marcus?" "Bwahhaaahaaa, that was Skynet's plan all along, to stop you being a fierce and charismatic leader by making everyone think you are a loser! We win puny human!" What fucking dreck!
I'm not even pissed about who they casted.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:42:43 PM

I'm not even pissed about the casting.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:43:19 PM

I'm not even pissed about the casting.I'm pissed about... by Mace Richardson	Mar 19th, 2008 02:47:05 PM
...the fact that hes a fucking kid!!!Goddamn it!!!So unless this movie takes place over 10 fucking years there gonna make another movie!There going to keep dragging this shit out and it will be horrible.This movie should be about how john connor finally defeats skynet because for the last 25 years thats what everyone has been telling us so just fucking do it already!
I saw Michael Biehn by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 02:55:21 PM
I saw Michael Biehn at the Sherman Oaks Galleria once, going to a movie with a young man I assume was his son. On impulse I yelled out "Hey Hicks!" and he looked right over at me with a sort of "hello, I am acknowledging you, but please leave me alone moron" kind of look. I felt kinda silly and guilty. Just because you recognize someone's face from a movie doesn't mean you need to intrude on their private moments.
Do you fucking idiots... by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 03:01:50 PM
Do you fucking idiots really think Kyle's extreme hatred for terminator robots requires any explanation beyond the fact that they are stalking the earth and trying to wipe out humanity? I think that's reason enough you fucking morons,.
No Plans To See This One by Teddy Artery	Mar 19th, 2008 03:07:42 PM
I'm marking my calendar now.
Forgot About K2 ... Great Flick by Autodidact	Mar 19th, 2008 03:09:17 PM
K2 is an awesome movie starring Michael Biehn. It's based on a play about mountain climbing. The most recent high profile role of his that I can remember is when he played the main villain in The Art Of War, a half-decent, run-of-the-mill Wesley Snipes action piece.
The Marcus character is the Lead character.... by travis-dane	Mar 19th, 2008 03:09:34 PM
in the first new Terminator movie.John Connor's part will be bigger in part 2&3 of the new Trilogy.Let's see what part Josh Brolin will play.I will give it a chance.The producers and McG had talks with Cameron and he was pleased with the development of the new Movie.I trust Cameron.
@pdennett by logicalnoise01	Mar 19th, 2008 03:18:30 PM
The producers said they specifically made sure some flesh was still on the skeleton. and the models seen in the show are t-888s. Based on what's happened they have better human interactive personalities. They can in fact learn and they have a lot more redundant safegaurds against deactivation.
Wolfman pics at ew.com by Flying Spaghetti Monster	Mar 19th, 2008 03:19:31 PM

He made out with Kat Dennings' breasticles by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 19th, 2008 03:36:39 PM
therefore he is a god amonst men. No mortal can survive that infinite abyss known as Kat Dennings' cleavage.
Not really liking the cast beyond Christian Bale by TVguy4566	Mar 19th, 2008 03:39:45 PM
I thought the Marcus character was supposed be a Vin Deisel type of character. I looked up Sam Worthington on IMDB and he looks far more Ben Affleck than Vin Deisel. Now they hire an actor to play Kyle Reese who looks more like a guy who is destined to be the father of an A/V geek, not the guy who is supposed to be the savior of the humans vs. the machines.
betrayal by SOHOMEMADEITHURTS	Mar 19th, 2008 03:40:58 PM
Could it be that this "Friend" ends up being the template for the first terminator.....
McG is for McGeezus by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 19th, 2008 03:42:34 PM
just watch, this movie will be the bomb. Literally.
THE NEW SHIA LA BEEF by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 03:50:21 PM

You've already mentioned that. by Shermdawg	Mar 19th, 2008 04:15:18 PM
I'm beginning to think from the way you post, you either have a really short memory, or there's multiple people sharing that account.
The TV version picked Jonathan Jackson as young Reese by smackfu	Mar 19th, 2008 04:19:14 PM
And McGee picked Screech. You know a production is already fucked when the co-ax arm of the franchise makes better casting choices than the 100 million dollar feature...
IT'S THE KYLE REESE SHOW ... by BringingSexyBack	Mar 19th, 2008 04:22:49 PM
on Nickalodeon!!!
Next they will put a dog in it. by kabong	Mar 19th, 2008 04:44:40 PM
Kyle Reese discovers that his dog can sniff Terminators and John Connor says, "Good boy!" to Kyle and also to the dog, which will get a name like Lassie or Rin Tin Tin, and there will be zany hijinks, and John Connor will get a girlfriend who is the single mother of Kyle, and the neighbor guy will be a lovable loser and . . .
SHEA THE TERMINATOR by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 05:08:13 PM
Angelina Jolie for female Terminator.
Word Up by lucky slevin	Mar 19th, 2008 05:09:28 PM
Im fucking high off the thought of christian bale in a terminator movie. people keep telling me that the tv series is not as bad as it looks but i still cant bring myself to watch an episode. maybe someday
Mc. This is all wrong. by thebearovingian	Mar 19th, 2008 05:13:50 PM
Mickey G, you are all wrong!
The Terminator's dog has been cast! by thebearovingian	Mar 19th, 2008 05:20:21 PM
Buddy the dog will make his sci fi/action/thriller debut alongside Christian Bale and Anton Yelchin in McG's Terminator: Salvation: [The Future Begins]! Air Bud is back! And not the 3-legged one, either!
F*** THIS! No Cameron??? by havehope	Mar 19th, 2008 07:13:41 PM
No freakin movie. Hollywood is a business now who just want to leech off successful movies, where guys with talent made. I dont give two cracks if Bale is in every frame, Mcg is directing and the whole plot SUCKS. The movie ended with T2, END OF FLIPPIN STORY. The beauty of T2 is that the future is in the minds of the viewers and is never shown. IDIOTS! AARRGGHHHH! IM SO PISSED! Need my pills....
McG's Terminator = Abrams Star Trek by BLEST	Mar 19th, 2008 07:17:19 PM
= Singer's Superman. Neo-looking retread of beloved material that is kinda cool, kinda lame, and overall doesn't hit the mark. You know this to be true.
Can this Movie get Cancelled??? by havehope	Mar 19th, 2008 07:18:23 PM
Please! Just hearing news about it, pisses me off. I just want it to be cancelled now and for it to get the hell out of my face. BE ORIGINAL! U STUPID SWINES! STOP STEALING OTHER STUFF AND MAKING THESE NEW STUPID TRILOGIES!
Oh, and stars baby-faced youngsters. by BLEST	Mar 19th, 2008 07:18:37 PM
Pretending to be like cinema greats of old. The only one who gets a pass is Bale, at least he's over 30.
Abrams..... by havehope	Mar 19th, 2008 07:19:51 PM
Well, he is good but his casting SUCKS! The cast for star trek is AWFUL! Too young....and too inexprienced.
FUCK!!!!!!!!! by Han Cholo	Mar 19th, 2008 07:30:39 PM
I can't muster anything else at this point. Oh wait, yes I can: This movie is looking like SHIT!!!
Well, that blows. by br1947	Mar 19th, 2008 07:38:01 PM
Friends with a Terminator? The only way I can possibly see that working is if it's not a friendly converted one, it's an infiltrator that betrays them and thus leads to the absolute hatred. That I can see. But this kid looks more like Jimmy Olsen than Kyle Reese.
Hey Grassmower and messi... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 08:09:59 PM
T2 is bullshit. I was an excuse to showcase digital morphing and fatten Arnie's pockets. The T-1000 doesn't make any freakin' sense and the continuity is screwed by the events depicted. So what if the majority of people watch it over and over? People like blood sausage.
just wait til this kid is playing Snake Plisken by Spandau Belly	Mar 19th, 2008 08:15:09 PM
then the outrage will be enough to solve the energy crisis.
you know what skynet should have done? by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 08:18:49 PM
If scientists today can grow a living ear in a petri dish, Skynet ought to be able to grow a big 4000 pound blob of amorphous flesh and gristle. You know, basically like a huge fucking tumor or something. Then they could fill it with their most advanced weaponry, about six Terminators, and teleport the whole thing back in time. Man, that'd be freaky as hell if you were standing around and then a huge 12 foot wide throbbing tumor appeared on the street, only to burst open, spilling forth half a dozen robots wielding plasma rifles.
Come with me... by micturatingbenjamin	Mar 19th, 2008 08:22:01 PM
If you want to save big money on your next subscription to 'Grit'!
veebeeyes, great idea by samsquanch	Mar 19th, 2008 08:37:44 PM
Never thought of that... Also, everyone, seriously, look at this kids ears. they're freakishly high on his head. its kind of grossing me out.
In the 90's Dark Horse... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 08:45:04 PM
...had a pretty cool Terminator series in which there was an ex resistance fighter with a cyborg brain. Also three Terminators went back in time with a captured human in whose chest cavity they had surgically placed a plasma pistol. They promptly ripped it out of him when they appeared in the past and used it to great effect.
Oh yeah.. by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 19th, 2008 08:46:23 PM
..the point of the cyborg brain guy was he was a medic and it was his job to tend to and repair the Terminators' flesh.
terminator friend makes sense. watch first film. by Warcraft	Mar 19th, 2008 08:57:41 PM
remember in the first movie, how kyle talks about terminators getting more human? remember how he described a terminator pretending to be a rebel, then becoming friends with soldiers, finding out where the human bases where, gaining access, then going apeshit inside? Marcus could be one such terminator, so this could actually fit right into the story. watch terminator again. kyle tells us of these types of terminators.
The original father of John Connor by Kaitain	Mar 19th, 2008 09:51:33 PM
"If they want to do a story, then do one on the original father of John Connor in the original timeline set before Kyle Reese came back in time, from their future to fuck Sarah before he had a chance to meet the bitch!" Oh my god. You have COMPLETELY misunderstood the movie. There was never any "original father". The whole point of the movie is that there is a static, unchanging loop. It's completely deterministic. What do you think the photograph thing was all about? It's there to demonstrate beyond any reasonable doubt that the "old" version of history and the "new" version are, in fact, one and the same. By the way, T2 completely messes up this logic, something Cameron himself admits quite openly.
TEEY POOT QUEATURES IN AURE BODDIEES! by skywalkerfamily	Mar 19th, 2008 09:52:23 PM

Someone Needs To Teach The Terminators How To Love by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 09:52:27 PM
Skynet and the Aryan Robot Death Army are essentially the same as the Blue Meanies from the Yellow Submarine. All Reese has to do is go back in time and bring the Beatles into the future so that they can sing their shiny psychedelic love songs until the Terminators realize that, truly, all you need is love... AND AN UZI NEIN MILLIMETAH!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!! GAT DO DA CHOPPAAAAAH!!! AIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!
AHM OVAH HEAAAH!!! by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 09:55:35 PM
GAT DOO DAH CHOPPAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle by Kaitain	Mar 19th, 2008 09:55:46 PM
"How come nobody bitches about T2, which has the same dumbass Terminator-boy-love story? 'Cause the FX were good and it had Arnold? There is no Terminator movie but the first one. The second stuffed a fat cock in the dook chute of the continuity anyway" Good for you, son. One of the few people out there who seems to have any brains when it comes to the Terminator films. Everyone bitches about T3 when T2 had already fucked everything up with its messed-up logic and its lame-ass "nice robot meets fucking annoying kid" garbage. It never ceases to amaze me how many people love that gleaming turd.
DEE UUUUUUUUUZI NEIN MILLIMETUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 09:58:47 PM
and also the Plasma Rifle if you don't mind good man. WHAT?!?! I HAVE TO WAIT 24 HOURS SO YOU CAN DO A BACKGROUND CHECK AND MAKE SURE I"M NOT A NAZI ROBOT FROM THE FUTURE?!?! HOW DARE YOU?!?!? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!! OH MY GOD!!! I NEED A NEW GUN RIGHT NOW!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!
I Fucking HATE T2. T3 Was WAAAAY Better by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 10:02:10 PM
T2 was campy without trying to be. The over-acting is ridiculous, the stunts and efx insane, ad the Terminator-as-father-figure is cringe inducing. I HATED T2 when it came out. Loved T1, loathed T2. Now T3 was clearly designed to be campy on the surface. It also features the best stunts and effects of the series. Its dumb, sure, but at least it knew it was dumb. ONly T1 deserves the classic statues. T2 was a pos. T3 was a self-aware and funny action camp fest.
Maniaq by Kaitain	Mar 19th, 2008 10:03:14 PM
You just brought up the other totally shitty thing about T2: it trashes the entire premise of The Terminator, which was that Skynet is forced into this weird, convoluted "retroactive abortion" attempt because: a) It is defeated and has time only for one last "from hell's heart I stab at thee" desperate scheme as its dying act and b) The only information it has to go on is the city Connor's mother lived in before the war. That's all it has. T2 is a contrived piece of trash as a sequel. Cameron should have just shown us the future war rather than giving us that lame rehash of the first movie.
JAVIER BARDEM - T1000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000 by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 19th, 2008 10:05:20 PM
SEAN CONNERY - JOHN CONNOR, FISHER STEVENS - KYLE REESE, and that's how you cast a terminator movie.
LaserPants by Kaitain	Mar 19th, 2008 10:05:36 PM
"T3 was clearly designed to be campy on the surface. Its dumb, sure, but at least it knew it was dumb." Totally agree. T2 has pretentions of being some weighty, serious piece of sci-fi, when it is, in fact, a load of ass. T3's aims were to be a knockabout popcorn flick and nothing more.
I Fucking HATE T2. T3 Was WAAAAY Better (EDIT) by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 10:06:07 PM
T2 was unintentionally campy, stupid, and waaay over self-important. The over-acting is ridiculous, the stunts and efx inane, and the Terminator-as-father-figure is cringe inducing. I HATED T2 when it came out. Loved T1, loathed T2. Now T3 was clearly designed to be campy on the surface. It also features the best stunts and effects of the series. Its dumb, sure, but at least it knew it was dumb. ONly T1 deserves the classic statues. T2 was a pos. T3 was a self-aware and funny action camp fest so it gets a pass form me. It knew it was stupid and reveled in it. T2 was laughable despite Cameron's overwrought and ubercorny narrative
Terminator friend makes sense my ass by Kaitain	Mar 19th, 2008 10:09:06 PM
"remember in the first movie, how kyle talks about terminators getting more human? remember how he described a terminator pretending to be a rebel, then becoming friends with soldiers, finding out where the human bases where, gaining access, then going apeshit inside? Marcus could be one such terminator, so this could actually fit right into the story. watch terminator again. kyle tells us of these types of terminators." Yeah, maybe if Kyle had a terminator friend six months before being sent back in time or something. I quote: "The 600-Series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these are new. They look human. Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot." By "new", you think he meant, what, maybe ten years old?
How About A Clone Army Of Anton Chigurh?! by LaserPants	Mar 19th, 2008 10:43:40 PM
They would kick the shit outta the Terminators no sweat. Of course, then they'd kick the shit out of the other humans too. But whatevs!
Another thing... by veebeeyes	Mar 19th, 2008 11:03:06 PM
since the humans had WON when Kyle Reese went back through the time machine, the ONLY way that Terminator 2 could have happened at all is if the T-1000 went back through time IMMEDIATELY before the evil T-800, and then the good T-800 went through the time machine IMMEDIATELY after Kyle Reese. And even that's a stretch. But this had to happen at the same time essentially, because the humans had WON, and then destroyed the time machine. There is no scenario where Skynet sends another terminator back in time later, because for Skynet there IS no later. They were beaten. Done for. It's not exactly like they could've fucking retaken the time machine before it was destroyed. and even if there were two time machines, Skynet was still beaten. Since the Arnold model was NEW at the time that Skynet was utterly defeated, I think that it stretches fucking credibility to think that they SIMULTANEOUSLY had an operational T-1000, as well as an operational T-X. Of course, the T-X is obviously still an experimental model, but the fact remains that both the T-X and the T-1000 were both FAR superior to the 800 model. If the T-X and the T-1000 were that far along in development when the T-800 was first put into operation, the T-800 would've been scrapped before it was ever put into battle. WE're talking about a HUGE technological leap between the T-800 and the T-1000. That does NOT happen overnight, and the fact that the T-800 was new when Skynet was defeated indicates that there never should have fucking been a T-1000 or a T-X. furthermore, I never bought into the notion that the T-1000 should have been able to pass through the time machine. Sure, it LOOKS like living tissue. But it is in fact LIQUID FUCKING METAL. The time machine, on the other hand, doesn't care what you LOOK LIKE, it just has a preference for sending back LIVING TISSUE. And the T-1000 is NOT living tissue, it is LIQUID FUCKING METAL. And as Tyler Durden once said, "sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken."
Terminator 2 haters, 23greatowunds, laserpants, kaitan kill your by messi	Mar 19th, 2008 11:36:03 PM
you hate a movie based on the logic that isn't even sensical in the first place since tim travel doesn't exist. Forget that T2 is a well made movie that you enjoy watching, that's the least important thing when watching a movie. Fucking idiots. What kind of shitty boring people must you be in real life.
Messi by Kaitain	Mar 20th, 2008 12:01:18 AM
"you hate a movie based on the logic that isn't even sensical in the first place since tim travel doesn't exist." Listen. Flying men don't exist in our world. But that doesn't mean that Superman can't be logically coherent within that narrative universe, where a flying man IS possible. Imagine that in a particular Superman story someone puts a slab of kryptonite around S's neck and it has no effect on him this time. Why? Ehhh, no reason, the writers just asserted that it didn't. That sucks...you're breaking your own rules. The Terminator sets up its own rules, and obeys them with consistency. T2 breaks those rules. That sucks. As a footnote, you can argue that there is a predestination paradox at play in The Terminator, but that is a "weak" paradox, one not of consistency but of causation. There is no inconsistency if you view the story of The Terminator as a static, unchanging 4D structure, where the "present" is just a point of view in a particular 3D "slice". You can of course ask where the 4D structure came from in the first place, but that's a separate issue, not a consistency issue.
McG =The New Michael Bay by tbransonlives	Mar 20th, 2008 12:29:19 AM
Can't wait to see flames on Arnie.
about T2 being an effects vehicle... by veebeeyes	Mar 20th, 2008 01:04:43 AM
is anyone else really sort of skeptical about Avatar? Because aside from documentaries and shit, James Cameron hasn't made a real movie in a long time. And from what I've been reading about Avatar, the focus seems to be on pushing technology. Am I the only one who's sort of expecting Avatar to be another shitty movie that looks really good? Because a lot of what I've been hearing about it is making it out to be another effects vehicle, just like fucking Terminator 2.
veebeeyes by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 20th, 2008 01:09:58 AM
I too am pretty fucking skeptical with Avatar. I did read the scriptment a while back, and it was really fun and exciting on paper, but I'm just not sure how well the storyline will translate to the screen. If anything, it might be a bit too "preachy" due to the whole environmental overtones in it. But hey, it's gonna be pretty, and everyone knows flame-loving, optimus lip-kissing, cash donating bayophites like pretty.
Messi... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 01:27:34 AM
...your only argument is it's fiction and we must be shitty boring people. Thus, you threw a fist shakin' tantrum because you have no fucking argument. What are you, seven years old? You come on here to type stupid shit to people you don't have the balls to say face to face to anybody. I come on here to talk movies. T2 has no consistency with T1. You have no argument against it other than you enjoy it. OK by me, but I don't. Its lame because taken in conjunction with the first movie, it fucks up the story. Butt out of my fucking discussion if you have no input other than "you must be boring." What a cock.
Prossor by messi	Mar 20th, 2008 02:02:56 AM
What the fuck are you talking about? Aged badly, fucking idiot. most people don't agree with you. the movie is considered a classic.
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle you dumb cunt by messi	Mar 20th, 2008 02:04:56 AM
you fucking idiot, you conviniently skip the part where I mention that it is a well made movie that people enjoy which is the main aspect of a movie. If you were around here longer you'd know i'm the foulmouthed talkbacker that will tell you to fuck yourself. Your argument is failed. And remember that most people love Terminator 2. Fucking cuntfuck.
The Terminator franchise is overrated. by skywalkerfamily	Mar 20th, 2008 02:51:37 AM
1 good movie, the rest suck. Okay TV series.
Wow by Vern	Mar 20th, 2008 03:07:20 AM
Nerds even hate T2 now? When did this happen? These are the same little rectangular boxes where literally hundreds of people cursed me as an elitist for criticizing the fucking TRANSFORMERS and we now have several apparently separate individuals calling TERMINATOR 2 "shit" without causing too much of a stir. Did I step into Crazyworld or what?
T2 is the best one! by skywalkerfamily	Mar 20th, 2008 03:08:24 AM
The first one was average at best. The third sucked ass. The TV Series is awesome, though.
Vern by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 20th, 2008 03:12:37 AM
I'm glad you mentioned it. One day, T2 is held up high on a cinematic pedestal as the best action movie to ever grace the silver screen, now its merely deduced to being a catalyst for effects showcase. What kind of a fucking digital world do we live in?
Well, Vern... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 03:27:09 AM
It was never me that praised T2. And for the longest time I thought I was the only one who saw that for shlock it was. T2 is the same sort of FX driven no-brainer a lot of people decry here (a la Tranformers - WHAT A PIECE OF CRAP. I was embarrassed to have brought people to see that), just a couple decades earlier. Sure it has some great action sequences and editing, but that doesn't excuse busting up a really well thought out story. It's got a ton of stupid moments. "Now I know why you cry" ranks up there with "Nobody tosses the dwarf" in the annals of stupid movie lines that kicked me right out of movie. The metal T-1000 going through the warp...I never even thought of...what a crock of shit! Nah, I was never an avid fan.
The best action movie ever to grace the screen? by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 03:30:01 AM
Nah, I never thought so. I can't even think of a stunt that would rate up that high in that movie...the truck and bike chase maybe? That brings up an interesting question though...what IS the greatest action movie ever to grace the screen? My vote is for the original Die Hard, I think...that movie continues to blow me away in how perfectly it's thought out and executed.
Is that stupid moron still bitching about T2? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 20th, 2008 03:38:28 AM
Terminate that fucker! I can't believe this...
Did he just compare T2 to TF? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 20th, 2008 03:41:02 AM
I'm totally with Vern. This is madness.
Hey Motoko... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 04:22:46 AM
Are you stupid or just retarded? I mean, if we're just gonna jab at each other, we can do that. The fact is T2 is a piece of shit. Chromed over and made pretty, but shit beneath nonetheless. Its better than Transformers - that was one of the three worst movies I've seen in recent years. I wouldn't classify T2 as the worst movie I've ever seen, but its shit compared to the original.
My vote for greatest action flick ever is by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 04:29:41 AM
da dada daaaaaaaaa......Its a tie between Robocop and Predator. Both are action bliss.
although Where Eagles Dare is fuckin awesome too. by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 04:31:57 AM
Clint is the original Terminator, Murphy and Dutch all rolled into one.
Champion picks, old man.. by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 04:37:38 AM
...3x. Predator and Robocop - my buddy's mom rented both of those for us when we were in eighth grade and it was the most fulfilling video store trip of my life. Where Eagles Dare is equally badass. Clint in a wermacht uniform blowing away Germans with TWO smg's!
hell yeah not to mention Richard Burton by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 04:44:50 AM
that man is 6 steps ahead at all times.
I was pretty lucky. An uncle who appreciated film by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 04:51:57 AM
introduced me at an early age. By the age of nine I had watched nearly all of Woody Allen, John Woo, Mel Brooks, Hitchcock and David Lean.He would never explain anything to me and always demanded an opinion at the end. Man, those were the days.
I wish... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 04:57:05 AM
..my son was the same way, but he won't watch anything black and white or generally made earlier than The Warriors. Glad I got him to watch that at least - and Lawrence of Arabia (my fave of all time) though it was for a class.
My boys not old enough yet by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 05:20:18 AM
I hope he enjoys them half as much as I did.
He'd better like Vertigo and High Anxiety by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 05:21:52 AM
or I'm just gonna freak out.
I am by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 20th, 2008 05:22:38 AM
speechless...
2001 is my personal fave. Closely followed by by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 05:23:48 AM
The Bridge on the River Kwai.
Although I gotta say, although some of T2's logic by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 05:30:34 AM
annoyed me, I still think its a pretty classy affair. That shot of the Truck coming into the sewer still takes my breath away. I will say the first is vastly superior in its logic and breathless pace, however I would still put forth that T2 is a superior action/sci fi hybrid too many other pretenders(though obviously not Predator or Robocop). I personally put it just behind Total Recall.
and although I' m not a fan of the terminatrix and by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 05:44:49 AM
no Brad Feidel, I enjoyed T3 more than I expected.
Yeah... by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 20th, 2008 05:53:48 AM
Its not a terrible movie, I'm just saying if you put it alongside the original, its garbage. I have a desire to watch T2 maybe once every couple years, but I always come away pissed off. I never learn. My son won't go near Hitchcock (I think he might've seen The Birds), though I think if he just sat down and gave it a try he'd like it. Basically I have to wait for a friend of his to recommend something to him, or a teacher he likes. He's fifteen, so he's at the age where I can't possibly know shit. My tops are Lawrence, On The Waterfront, Glory, and Star Wars.
On the Waterfront is perfect by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:15:09 AM
I also have a sickness for A Streetcar Named Desire(I watch it at least every 2nd month). Brando hypnotises me.
I remember when I first showed my fiance Kwai by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:17:12 AM
It was on my projector and at the end she was on the edge of her seat. I knew then she was the one.
Glory is pretty sweet by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:20:37 AM
Brodericks only believable adult performance, Denzel and Freeman clashing acting swords for haunting scenes, and Edward Zwicks finest hour. That ending is one of the greats.
YAY! MY FATHER-FIGURE IS A TERMINATOR! YIPPIE! by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 06:30:03 AM
THAT is why T2 sucks. Thats why I hated it then, and thats why I hate it now. Oh yeah, that and the awful soundtrack (GnR? bleah). And the 12 year old's sense of gravitas. And the acting, And the script. Can anyone name ONE thing they actually liked about it? Name ONE way it improved on the first one, deepened the story, or gave us anything other then a way to Cameron to show off the morphing CG effect HE ALREADY USED in the even worse The ABYSS (about the sea monsters from space)? Name one thing. One. T3 was stupid, campy, and ludicrous, sure, but it was done intentionally and is actually a really fun and exciting movie. Something T2 never really gets too. And now, this isn't geek revisionism, because I felt the same way then. My girlfriend (at the time) and I were both big fans of T1, and both of us loathed T2. It was more or less the same feeling we felt after seeing Alien 3. T2 sucks. Flat out sucks. If you liked it despite the fact that it sucks, thats fine. I love tons of bad movies too, but you can't honestly feel it even comes close to being a good move.
DON by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 06:30:35 AM

Hey Laserpants leave Alien3 alone by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:33:29 AM
Although I admit Alien and Aliens are superior films, Alien3 has a higher viewing rotation with me. It is one of the most perfectly shot movies of the last 20 years.
DON'T DIE TERMINATOR! WE WUV WOO! YOU MY DADDY! by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 06:33:33 AM
FATHER FIGURE TERMINATOR: "Me wuv woo too, John Connor. But you have to kill me, just like Old Yeller. Now lower me to my death." WHINY TEENAGER WHO THINKS GNR IS COOL: "BOO HOO! NOOOO ROBO DADDY!!! NOOO!!!" CLOSET LESBIAN MOM: "Grrrr! Me so angry! Me momma of apocalypse! Me reflect Cameron's need for strong mother figure! Grrrrrr!"
Plus Alien3 has Charles S. Dutton by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:37:15 AM
Your all gonna die. The only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet? Or on your fuckin knees begging? I ain't much for begging. Nobody ever gave me nuthin. So I say fuck that thing....lets FIGHT IT!
NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 06:38:12 AM
I grew to appreciate Alien 3 as well, but its a far cry from the first two Alien flicks. Many years after it came out I watched it and thought it was a cool update on the gothic horror trope, and I liked the space prison monk angle. But still. It doesn't hold a candle to the first two, and I HATE the fact that the characters we fell in love with in Aliens die off screen before the movie even starts.
Laserpants, don't forget about the thumbs up by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:39:16 AM
that made me laugh out loud on first viewing.
Weaver is a force of nature in Alien3 by NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks	Mar 20th, 2008 06:41:18 AM
Her performance is astonishing and helps elevate the film.
Abrams Star Trek looks worse by SpencerTrilby	Mar 20th, 2008 06:54:22 AM
worse writers, cast, and director. Mi3 was a bigger, smellier abortion than both Charlie's Angels films and Fastlane episodes put together.
at least they didn't hire by RokurGepta	Mar 20th, 2008 07:00:37 AM
shia "i fuck cats" lebouf
Oh, and LaserPants by SpencerTrilby	Mar 20th, 2008 07:01:21 AM
I love you dude (remember our Gentlemen's bet for Iron Man versus TDK?) but T2 is not campy. Nor is T3. Over the top, sometimes awkward... but not campy. Logomachical argument indeed.
NomoredirtyjokespleaseweareYanks by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 20th, 2008 07:26:02 AM
Good choice, I love them both, but I don't think it can be limitted to one or two. T1 should be up there. There's my favorite of course, and at least one of the Rambo flicks should be in there too.
I'm stunned. People are badmouthing by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 20th, 2008 07:34:51 AM
Cameron's masterpiece? That's laughable.
SpencerTrilby, Re: Our Bet by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 07:47:05 AM
Hey, man. Forgive me for being such a retard, but let me review our bet. I'm betting that, although TDK is going to be a better movie, IRON MAN is going to beat it at the box office, right? And you feel the opposite? The terms being that whoever wins gets to feel all superior and browbeat the other with cries of "pwned!" and the like? ITS ON! I'm telling you, TDK will be a better movie, but IRON MAN is gonna beat it at the box office.
Thankful that Spielberg is not directing. by kabong	Mar 20th, 2008 09:05:33 AM
He'd have Terminators as ten-year-old children infiltrating families. Hollyweird, family entertainment does not mean depicting a family in every movie. No Terminator movie should be considered family entertainment. Make it "R" and make it hard. Put some men in it--fighting, killing, dying. Leave your teen-boy pussy on the casting couch.
Holy Shit...T2 sucks? by just pillow talk	Mar 20th, 2008 09:37:45 AM
Now I've heard everything.
Rise above it Harry! by Automaton Overlord	Mar 20th, 2008 09:40:35 AM
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DANNYGLOVERS DICK BLOOD by pdennett316	Mar 20th, 2008 10:37:07 AM
Don't rush to make assumptions shit head. T2 is a great movie, but I don't hold it up as some perfect movie never to be fucked with. Secondly, fuck you! Thirdly, a LOT of people will care that the head had no skin because it's been made very obvious in all the films that only living tissue can go back, hence no "ray guns" as the psychiatrist put it. It was also made clear in the TV show when they went through time and appeared naked. If there was flesh on the head, where did it disappear to when the head came through? Logicalnoise, even if there was 'some flesh', the parts that weren't covered would surely fail to materialise? Back to dickblood, I agree the time travel stuff is bullshit in terms of following the rules, but that has so many possibilities for interpretations it's no wonder. The "Nothing dead will go" thing is cast iron, and they fucked it up in the show, simple. No need to act like a pissy little bitch to me when several others have voiced similar criticisms. Wanker!
By The Way by second cousin of phartegod	Mar 20th, 2008 10:46:57 AM
would it be homoerotic to say that I miss my old arch nemesis GABRIELGREY, the TBs are fairly stale without him.
"as far as how Kyle Reese can be John Connor's father" by Han Job Solo	Mar 20th, 2008 11:19:51 AM
Umm, he can't be. Unless there are holes in the space/time continuum with folks flying through with no memory of how or when or why. Seriously, how can your son send you back in time to fuck his mom that you've never met....but you DID meet your son....seriously.
T2 = OLD YELLER by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 11:26:18 AM
It has the same ending.
Interesting That Nobody Has Defended T2 Coherently by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 11:37:30 AM
I've seen sputtering anger or astonishment at pointing out the obvious fact that T2 sucks ass, and yet, NOT ONE coherent defense of it. I asked before, I'll ask again -- name ONE thing in T2 that improved on T1 or enhanced the plot. Oh, and that doesn't have to do with special efx, which, admittedly, for the time, were good (not ground breaking since the Abyss used the same morphing thing first). What did T2 do, aside from make the classic T1 seem a million times better then it was (because T1 is a classic, and T2 is a shiny early 90s CG turd)? Name ONE thing. For me, Cameron made 2, count 'em 2 all time classic movies -- Terminator and Aliens. Everything else he's done has fallen somewhere between awful/laughable to okay-but-whatever.
"I Order You To Go Back In Time And Fuck My Mom" by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 11:48:49 AM
"Listen, Dad, uh, I mean Sgt Reese, I have a really... special mission for you. I, uh, oh man, this is hard to say... um, okay, look, I need you to go back in time and fuck my mom. No, I'm not joking! She's pretty hot, actually, check her out. Yeah, don't mind the bad 80s haircut, trust me, she's cute. Anyways, yeah, you have to do this or I'll never be born and the Terminators will terminate each and every on of us. How did I qualify to lead humanity? By being homeless drug addict and hanging out with that chick from My So Called Life, of course! Also, I'm apparently the only guy on earth who can lead people cause my mom was a closet butch lesbian and after you died I found another father-figure, a Terminator that looks like an Austrian body builder who taught me how to love. Wow, this is weird, Dad, uh, I mean Sgt. Reese. So, um, good luck finding and fucking my mom! I think she likes to hang out at crappy mid80s nearfuture discos with names like TechNoir. Oh, and by the way, happy fathers day. See ya on the flipflip! Later!"
How come T2 is treated as some kind of holy relic? by Kaitain	Mar 20th, 2008 12:03:47 PM
I think any individual's opinion of T2 may well depend to a large extent on whether they saw T2 as their first terminator movie, or alternatively whether they had seen The Terminator before, but just once, a long time ago, on VHS or late night TV, and remembered the basic plot but not many of the details. If so, you wouldn't have noticed the fact that it actually makes no sense in the context of the original film. You would have enjoyed the (for the time) cutting-edge effects, laughed as Arnie delivered his corny one-liners etc. So T2 got put into the "I really enjoyed it" box in your head. Then when anyone comes along and says "actually it made no sense wrt T1", that jars with the box it lives in your head, so you need to find reasons to reject the force of the criticism. So you either misunderstand the nature of T1 and treat it as a branching storyline that just happens to end up not too far changed from the "original" timeline (an incorrect analysis), go reaching for elaborate reasons why T2 and T1 really CAN be made compatible (good luck there) or, as Messi does, fall back on the “hey, it’s only a film, dumbass, enjoy it!” approach. Which, of, course, is not something a fanboy tends to do with any film they watch where they spot gaping plot flaws first time round (they usually gnash and wail when a film fucks up its own rules in a blatant manner). In short, T2’s crimes of logic went largely unnoticed by most people when it first came out, and so it was granted its accolade of being “a great action film” despite the plot being totally messed up as a sequel. As it happens, I can’t understand why people even like it as an action film. It’s too long, the characters are largely unsympathetic, and am I really supposed to be able to get excited about Arnie blowing up dozens of police cars while a “0% casualties” readout appears? After the mid-section of the film, I don’t even know what the characters’ motivations are any more. After Cyberdyne is blown up, what is the T-1000 trying to do? If he kills John at that point, so what? He’d have been better off giving up on that now pointless shit and riding back into town where he could set up a new research company to recreate and distribute the Skynet technology. The other thing that really bugs me is that The Terminator is the ultimate melancholy action film...the good guys win, but the ending is still so dark and forboding. The "there's a storm coming in" line raises the hairs on my neck every time, empathising with Sarah and the huge struggle she still faces, even as hope survives. Even the musical theme emphasises melancholy: the mixture of sadness and hope. It could have just been about bombastic menace, but it's much more subtle than that, as is the entire film. T2 throws away that subtlety, that beauty, and goes for cheap thrills and cheap laughs, and a safe, happy ending. It takes a piss over the legacy of the original movie.
Cameron by Kaitain	Mar 20th, 2008 12:06:02 PM
"For me, Cameron made 2, count 'em 2 all time classic movies -- Terminator and Aliens. Everything else he's done has fallen somewhere between awful/laughable to okay-but-whatever." I largely agree, although The Abyss has some great sequences, and Titanic is by no means an awful movie...I think it just became fashionable to talk about it as though it was.
The new Chekov is 10 years old ??? by Bill Clay	Mar 20th, 2008 12:13:28 PM
How can this kid be playing Chekov in the new movie? He looks too young to have a hair on his 'nads! Is it gonna be Star Trek Babies?
OK, I'll Accept That Xiphos by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 12:30:54 PM
She was pretty hot in it too. A little butch for my tastes, but definitely had the whole butch valkyrie thing going on. And it makes narrative sense that she would go from the relatively weak character she was in T1 to the more bad-ass she is in T2.
Xiphos by LaserPants	Mar 20th, 2008 01:52:29 PM
Yeah, I actually think T3 was vastly superior to T2. It wasn't anywhere near as good storywise as T1, but it was a really cool / fun action movie with great campy elements. I mean, a Terminatrix w/ reisizable roboboobs? Awesome!
Sarah Connor was so hot that by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 20th, 2008 02:33:58 PM
the director married her.
"So, um, good luck finding and fucking my mom" by Han Job Solo	Mar 20th, 2008 05:23:26 PM
And here's the strangest part, you get killed after you're done fucking her in the past so you're not really here right now. How DID you get here anyway? Aw hell, nevermind. Get in that time machine thingie and carry out your mission and fuck my mom!"
Best action movie ever to grace the screen? by Kaitain	Mar 20th, 2008 07:39:48 PM
"what IS the greatest action movie ever to grace the screen? My vote is for the original Die Hard, I think...that movie continues to blow me away in how perfectly it's thought out and executed." Die Hard is a contender, but it does kinda lose its way a bit in the second half IMO. Hmmm, what else springs to mind? Raiders has several amazing set-pieces, but a lot of the movie is actually quite a slow-burning, chewy affair, it's not non-stop breakneck mayhem. One oddball contender I'm going to throw into the mix is "Tremors" because it's so inventive: the characters actually have to outTHINK the creatures in that movie, in a variety of different ways. Bourne Supremacy is a pretty masterful action movie if you can handle the shakeycam (which I can in Supremacy but thought Ultimatum took it too far). Although I lot of people disliked it, I thought some of the action sequences in Spider-Man 3 were outstanding, particularly the Spidey vs Goblin stuff. And how about Saving Private Ryan...I know some might have a problem with it being labelled an action film, but it's bookended by two of the greatest battle sequences ever put up on the big screen. Most overrated action film: Gladiator. Only one really good sequence in it (the "Siege of Alesia" sequence). The rest is just rapid editing creating an impression of high energy without any real coherence or shape to the action scenes. If you can't follow the action, it just isn't exciting. This was the main problem with "Transformers" as well. It's amazing that Michael Bay is labelled as an action movie director when he can't direct action sequences for shit. Mad Max 2 has to be somewhere in the shortlist. And...fair's fair, "The Matrix" is pretty darn good qua action movie. Its two sequels are utter shit on that front, however, barring the attack on Zion in Revolutions.
Sorry, I meant... by Kaitain	Mar 20th, 2008 08:14:43 PM
...the Battle of Carthage scene in Gladiator. At least I think so. Quite a while since I saw it. The one where Maximus gets them all to work as a unit and thus rewrites the script of the battle against the dudes in the chariots. THAT was a good scene.
Road Warrior, Mad Max 2 by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 12:09:55 AM
Same thing.
Road Warrior by 23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle	Mar 21st, 2008 01:35:14 AM
How could I overlook that? Some of the greatest car stunts in any movie anywhere. That movie was the Conan of post apocalyptic movies in that it was unlike anything else and it spawned tons of imitators. Yeah, that'd be up there for me as well as the original. I hated Gladiator when I saw it, but it grows on me. The chariot fight is indeed the best part. Anybody ever see The Naked Prey? I like that one a lot, but its probably near the bottom of the list. The Killer's pretty crazy and it set the conventions for a decade of action movies that followed.
Let me quote the morons: by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:12:56 AM
23GreatWoundsAllGotInBattle: "T2 is bullshit" Kaitain: "T2 had already fucked everything up with its messed-up logic"[...]"that gleaming turd." LaserPants: "T2 was campy without trying to be. The over-acting is ridiculous, the stunts and efx insane"[...]"T2 sucks. Flat out sucks." Prossor: "T2 aged crappily" FUCK YOU, you laughable asshats! Really. I can't believe that stupid kids like you are bitching about one of the best sci-fi-action flicks ever to grace our screens. Are you dumbfucks even slightly realizing what you're talking about? "Campy"? "Aged badly"?? "Over-acting"??? What the fuck? Looks like you all are in desperate need to be bitch-slapped. Twice. Again, I'd like to point out that you can all go and FUCK YOURSELF for being such stupid dumbasses. Thank you.
I'm pretty shocked that by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:41:34 AM
there are so few on this board like Vern and just pillow talk that seem to love T2. What the hell happened to the nerds of today?
This thread should be by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:42:05 AM
filled with fans defending T2.
But no, by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:43:27 AM
only a few dickwads that keep on bitchin'
"I know now why you cry" by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:46:31 AM
that moved me back then when I was 13 years old watching that masterpiece at the local cinema.
Can it be destroyed? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:47:14 AM
Unknown.
Same Make by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:48:29 AM

Same Model by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:48:45 AM

New Mission by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:49:00 AM

That was a great trailer campaign back then by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:49:43 AM
imho
This time there are two! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:51:51 AM
Terminator 2!
I will not stop by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 06:55:28 AM
until this thread reached top ten territory again
This time he's back by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:30:57 AM
for good!
Why attack Russia? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:31:40 AM
Aren't they our friends now?
I need a vacation. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:32:26 AM
Genius line!
Is it dead? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:33:09 AM
Terminated.
You just can't go around killing people. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:33:54 AM
Why? Hahahahahahahahahahaha! !!
Jesus, you were gonna kill that guy. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:35:14 AM
Of course; I'm a terminator.
You're already dead, Silberman. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:35:44 AM
Everybody dies. You know I believe it so don't fuck with me!
I'll take care of the police. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:36:41 AM
Hey, wait! You swore! Trust me.
I swear I will not kill anyone. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:37:55 AM
(kneecaps the guard) He'll live.
You, in the window! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:40:50 AM
Drop your weapon and put your hands on your head! (Opens fire with minigun) ==> one of the many great action sequences. Just perfectly executed. I love that bit where he shoots the police car with that grenade launcher: you can see the grenade penetrating the car's window and then BOOM. Classic.
Gibbons, c'mon man, you can't leave the desk like that. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:57:03 AM
Oh shit!
Hi. Um, Carl. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:58:30 AM
These are friends from out of town, I'm just gonna take them upstairs and show them around. Now, c'mon Mr. Dyson, you know the rules if you want to bring visitors into the lab. I need written authorization... I insist. ==> Another great scene!
Good Morning, Dr. Silberman. How's the knee? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 08:59:44 AM
Fine, Sarah. [...]She... uh, stabbed me in the knee cap with my pen a few weeks ago.
The T-1000's highest probability for success by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:00:59 AM
now will be to copy Sarah Connor and to wait for you to make contact with her.
Great, but what happens to her? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:01:37 AM
Typically, the subject being copied is terminated.
It is getting lonely around here. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:02:25 AM
Hello?
Anybody seen Richie? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:03:07 AM
I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!
To say it in the terminator's words: by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:03:56 AM
I have to stay functional until my mission is complete.
There's not much time left in the world, Sarah. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:06:42 AM
Michael Biehn rocks!
Terminator 2 - The Special Edition by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:07:16 AM
More than meets the eye!
We got Skynet by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:11:00 AM
by the balls now, don't we?
Your foster parents by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:11:24 AM
are kinda dicks, huh?
Your foster parents by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:11:52 AM
are dead.
I have detailed files on human anatomy. by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:12:18 AM
:-D
Hell yeah! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:13:14 AM
We've reached top ten territory again! Hooray! Now we got the haters by the balls.
Best line of the T-1000: by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:13:54 AM
Get out. :-)
John Connor wears a t-shirt by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:15:50 AM
promoting 80's rap group Public Enemy. Public Enemy's DJ was named Terminator X. Did you know that?
Most of Edward Furlong's voice by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:16:51 AM
had to be re-dubbed by Furlong again in post-production because it changed during shooting. How funny is that?
The explosive polydichloric euthimal by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:18:50 AM
used to destroy the Cyberdyne building shares this name with a powerful hallucinogenic drug featured in Peter Hyam's brilliant sci-fi-thriller Outland.
It took three takes by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:21:07 AM
to properly capture the helicopter crashing on the freeway. Great scene btw.
T2 was nominated for six Oscars by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:22:50 AM
and won four.
T2 held the world record by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:25:28 AM
for highest opening-weekend gross of an R-rated film (with $52 million) until The Matrix Reloaded came along in 2003.
About that cameo of William Wisher, jr: by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 09:28:26 AM
Co-writer Wisher is the man taking pictures of the Terminator as it was thrown through the glass window in the galleria. Wisher also had a cameo as a cop who is violently robbed from his car in the first Terminator flick, hence his look of recognition as he sees the Terminator get up.
Good work Motoko........ by travis-dane	Mar 21st, 2008 09:48:11 AM
the DTV is with you.
there was a shock I wasnt expecting.... by RockLobster800	Mar 21st, 2008 09:51:14 AM
people dissing T2-what the fuck?! what is wrong with you people! T2 is the best blockbuster since Empire Strikes Back-it has shit loads of action, ground breaking effects, AND great characters and plot (yeah, it actually has a plot line that gets you THINKING)....how anyone can diss it is amazing to me....and Motoko is correct-the "I know now why you cry" is frickin beautiful man.....
T2 = Terminator + Carebears by Spoiler_Man	Mar 21st, 2008 10:19:52 AM
Terminatot - Hard ass action movie T2 - Whiny kid, Arnie does jokes, Sentimental shit, Let's all cry when Arnie dies, SHIT SHIT SHIT
Motoko by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 10:45:32 AM
"I can't believe that stupid kids like you are bitching about one of the best sci-fi-action flicks ever to grace our screens" Yeah, let me just stop you there. Y'see, what you're doing is called BEGGING THE QUESTION. Your brilliant counter to the accusation that T2 is (in fact) a pile of shit is to say, in effect, "How can T2 be shit when it's one of the greatest action flicks of all time?" Here's the thing: IT ISN'T. It is, on the contrary, a barrel of wank, for the reasons outlined, none of which you have countered, because you either won't or can't. Sorry to have disrupted your self-assured little teenage worldview. Have a good day at school, now.
In good company by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 10:47:36 AM
"for highest opening-weekend gross of an R-rated film (with $52 million) until The Matrix Reloaded came along in 2003" Wow, so it's only truly great movies that get to make that kind of money, huh? Or...let's look more closely here...maybe it's only SEQUELS to truly great movies that get to make that kind of money.
Finally! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 11:49:22 AM
We're back on track, thanks to travis-dane and my fellow RockLobster800. You, Kaitain, sir, are still an idiot. My point wasn't that "only truly great movies" make that kind of money. I was just keeping this thread alive with some useful information. And as you can see, I succeeded. Now go back to your basement. Thank you.
The DTV is with me --- yay!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 11:52:10 AM
I'm so happy! :-)
Hi Motoko by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 12:02:58 PM
Got anything other than ad hominems in your arsenal of debating weapons? You're not doing very well so far. All you've done is say, "Wah, wah, T2 is my favourite film and you all smell."
Well, in my humble opinion by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 12:10:38 PM
I've done more than just "wah wah" and that is keeping this thread alive because some people came here bitching about one of my most favorite movies. And it seems, that I'm not the only one who's still able to enjoy this brilliant sci-fi-action film.
Wow! by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 12:12:48 PM
You transcribed dozens of lines from the movie onto this talkback. Truly you have done us all a great public service. My day has certainly been enriched by your highly skilled actions. WELL DONE!
Oh, and... by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 12:15:51 PM
...it seems I'm not the only one who realised that this much-lauded teenager favourite is in fact a steaming pile, an unintelligent and corny genre pic, and an insult to its genuinely brilliant predecessor.
I loved T2 by samsquanch	Mar 21st, 2008 01:05:43 PM
... What, you expect an explanation? It's a fucking action movie. I've got things to do.
I just love those lines by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 01:24:03 PM
so I put them on here to keep this thread alive. So what? I'm a nerd.
Oh, and... by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 01:25:57 PM
...I think that T2 is hardly a "teenager favourite". I'm going on 30. I think it's teenagers like you that like to bitch about it.
You know why Michael Cera owns these fools? by JiveTalker	Mar 21st, 2008 01:29:19 PM
Because he knows what he is and what he isn't. Cera is believable in his roles because he's a skinny little dweeb who excels at playing skinny little dweebs, he goes with his strengths and doesn't try to play against type, and thus you are able to see how talented and clever he is and the whole world is delighted and everybody wins. He's not trying to put himself out there as a fucking "action hero" for chrissakes, just to prove a point about his range or whatever. Good actors or not, all these little pretty boy shrimps they keep casting will have a hard time convincing anybody they could take Phyllis Diller in a fight. I don't get why they don't stick to their strengths, and why would studios/casting directors not want to at least START with casting someone who isn't riddled with the stench of unbelievability just by their very appearance and body type? Aren't there ANY young actors out there who weigh over 100 pounds and look at least to be of voting age, for fuck's sake?
Motoko Kusanagi you speak the truth by Grammaton Cleric Binks	Mar 21st, 2008 01:51:02 PM
the whiny morons are just that. Okay, you can dislike a movie, but who in their mind puts T2 at any less rating that "good" and even that's a low blow. I think they've been Bayified.
Going on 30 by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 01:57:20 PM
I saw The Terminator when it came out in 1984. I'll bet you a million dollars that you didn't.
T2: "It's a fucking action movie" by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 02:01:13 PM
Yeah, that's exactly right. Whereas The Terminator is a genuinely intelligent piece of cinema, T2 is just "a fucking action movie". It's like a Bond film with robots. The plot is just an excuse for a few action sequences, whereas in The Terminator, the action sequences are there purely in the service of the (superb) plot. Well done: you just pegged precisely the difference between the two films.
Whiny moron by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 02:06:00 PM
"who in their mind puts T2 at any less rating that "good" (sic) ? Me. For me, it's right up there with Highlander 2 in the race for the "worst sequel of all time" award. I know that sounds crazy at first glance, because H2 is such an outrageous piece of shit that it seems like a totally unfair comparison. But T2 is a greater waste of potential, and takes a bigger piss on what made the first film great. H2 is so insane that it can just be safely ignored as the ravings of a lunatic. T2 is accepted as canonical and thus fucks the franchise up for ever more.
T2: OLD YELLER by LaserPants	Mar 21st, 2008 03:05:46 PM
It has the same ending. THE SAME ENDING!
Well, Kaitain, as I said by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 04:31:58 PM
that I'm almost thirty, you're right that I didn't watch THE TERMINATOR in theatres. I watched it on video in 1991 or so and loved it. So?
Wow, Prossor, that's one heck of an argument by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 21st, 2008 04:56:10 PM
you have there. T2 was never shown on TCM? Wow.
Almost thirty by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 06:23:25 PM
"that I'm almost thirty, you're right that I didn't watch THE TERMINATOR in theatres. I watched it on video in 1991 or so and loved it." Any remote chance that you watched it AFTER you'd seen T2?
T2 and TCM by Kaitain	Mar 21st, 2008 06:25:54 PM
I take Prossor's point, for sure. You could show The Terminator at an arthouse cinema without a hint of embarrassment. If you put T2 on, the patrons would think you were on crack.
DOOMSDAY Was Great By The Way by LaserPants	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:13:52 AM
If KILL BILL was a mashup of spaghetti westerns, samurai, kung-fu, and Takashii Miike, DOOMSDAY is a mashup of all your favorite 80s postapocalypse movies; even down to the Carpenter-esque synthy soundtrack. Its dumb as shit, but totally hilarious, and riffs on more or less every great 80s post-apoc movie. And then, suddenly, they're all in Lord of the Rings AND Mad Max at the same time! Please give it some money before it disappears. Or, you know, wait for dvd. Or steal it. Whatevs!
What's important about by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:14:56 AM
if I've seen T1 before or after T2? I already said that I loved T1. But I love T2 even more.
T1 Sets Up What T2 Ruins, Motoko by LaserPants	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:16:27 AM
Thats why it matters. First impressions are important, I think. It sets your expectations.
About T1 and the arthouse cinema argument: by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:17:14 AM
That's just because T1 is a low-budget flick whereas T2 was the most expensive movie of all time. It's not because T1 fulfills the premises of such a theatre.
But the fact is that I love T2 more by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:19:12 AM
so what's the point?
The jerks have left the building by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:53:14 PM
great!
They know its face by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:53:45 PM

They know its mission by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:54:03 PM

But there is one thing they don't know by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:54:27 PM

This time, there are TWO! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:54:52 PM

TERMINATOR 2!!! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:55:14 PM

One programmed to destroy by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:55:47 PM

The other programmed to protect! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:56:09 PM

Stay here... by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:56:41 PM
...I'll be back!
Once, he was programmed to destroy the future by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:58:16 PM

now his mission is to protect it by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 12:58:37 PM

His loyalty is to a child by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 01:00:32 PM

and his enemy is the deadliest machine ever built! by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 22nd, 2008 01:01:06 PM

The Point, Motoko? by LaserPants	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:32:02 PM
I suppose the real point underlying all of this is that critical judgement is 99% subjective. That being said, T2, to me, flat out f*ckin' sucks. On the other hand, T1 is a classic who's narrative is so strong, clever, and smart that it transcends its low budget. In contrast to the scrappy awesomeness of T1, all T2 amounts to is its budget -- its a big, loud, dumb nothing with what were, at the time, cutting edge effects. The story is terrible, makes slim to no sense, ruins everything set up by the first one, BUT cost a lot of money to make. Basically, they took a turd and dressed it up in expensive finery in hopes that nobody would notice how bad the actual story, dialogue, and acting were. Apparently they succeeded since there are only a articulate and intelligent few who call T2 out for what it is -- a steaming pile of shit that looks like it cost a mint to make.
T2 = OLD YELLER by LaserPants	Mar 22nd, 2008 03:33:09 PM
SAME ending.
"I suppose the real point underlying all of this..." by Kaitain	Mar 24th, 2008 04:30:48 PM
Dude, I couldn't have put it better. Plus there were so many people who watched it without having seen The Terminator first (such as Motoko) that they got away with murder re: continuity. I guess a lot of people think of The Terminator as being a low budget prequel to T2 (that you might watch out of interest, but might not if you can't be bothered) rather than T2 being a sequel to The Terminator. The Terminator = fucking genius movie. T2 = shiny, brainless shitfest.

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