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UPDATED! Which Writers Will Not Be Writing The SUPERMAN Sequel?? Will Singer Be Back??

So Superman will piss on John Turturro in this movie? by FilmCritic3000	Mar 11th, 2008 12:43:39 PM
Just wondering.
Shia Laboeuf as Jimmy Olsen!! by Lanceloco	Mar 11th, 2008 12:46:48 PM

No one has gotten Superman right yet. by Billy Batts	Mar 11th, 2008 12:46:58 PM
Including Donner. Give me a shot, studio people.
Also, re-design Metropolis. by Billy Batts	Mar 11th, 2008 12:49:00 PM
Metropolis was nothing but models and CG and it looked like half the size of New York City for some reason.
I fucking knew it by photoboy	Mar 11th, 2008 12:49:42 PM
As soon as I saw the headline I thought "I bet Kurtzman and Orci are going to rape another franchise". I remember when their best mate (JJ Abrams) decided to make Lex Luthor a fucking Kryptonian, Lu-Thor or something lame.
Lex Luthor: "WHAT'S CRACKIN BITCHES?!?!" by UMAGA	Mar 11th, 2008 12:51:10 PM
Transformers writers can't write.
seriously by ClockWorker	Mar 11th, 2008 12:52:04 PM
what was Turturro doing in that popcorn crap fest in the first place. Anyway I wasn't disappointed with SR so I'm glad there's a confirmed sequel.
Actually..enough of Luthor. by UMAGA	Mar 11th, 2008 12:52:15 PM
We need a fucking alien monster in this. Enough of Lex Luthor.
Photoboy by Porco Drunko	Mar 11th, 2008 12:52:59 PM
It's not like they can fuck it up anymore than singer did with his last attempt. Seriously turning superman into a creepy stalker and a weekend dad, way to fuck with an icon.
Nobody wants Superman 2: The Creepy Guy by krack	Mar 11th, 2008 12:53:46 PM
It will never happen. Although, I admit, sticking Orci and Kurtzman in there gives it the potential of being the worst big budget movie of all time. It's interesting from a "Can we build the worst movie ever made?" perspective. Why not just make the film where Braniac's wrasslin' polar bears.
First thing: Cast a fully-grown man in the role. by ZeroCorpse	Mar 11th, 2008 12:54:14 PM
STOP casting pretty-boys in their twenties and get a man approaching 40 to play Superman. He should look authoritarian and powerful, not emo and anime. Second thing: How about a goddamn superhuman villain? None of this lame-ass "I've got a real estate scheme" Lex Luthor crap. No fucking kryptonite, either. Finally, we don't need a Superman-stalks-Lois Lan angle. Really. We really don't need that much Lois Lane. You could make her a character who gets a five-minute scene, and then ditch her for the rest of the movie, and we'd STILL have had too much Lois Lane in all the Superman movies. She gets WAY too much screen-time for a movie called "Superman". Oh yeah-- The kid? It never happened. Bad dream. Superman ate some bad clams.
Singer= Xerox by Blackguard	Mar 11th, 2008 12:54:47 PM
I really hope Singer doesn't come back. All he did was remake Superman 1 with a few additions. Awful. Why can't they have Superman fight someone on par with himself? Brainiac? Bizarro?? Someone else besides Luthor! Also, please give Kate Bosworth a sandwich if she's going to return. And drop the 50's hair do. She did NOT look good in that movie...
Audiences need Luthor... by Violet Grey	Mar 11th, 2008 12:55:11 PM
So they can relate to the story at all. You put an alien in there or some giant monster and people will complain about how wholesome, American Superman has turned into another crappy sci-fi action flick. I would love to see Mongul or Darkseid as much as the next geek, but honestly, movie audiences don't know an don't care about them. It's the same thing that one would risk by trying to put Clayface or Killer Croc in a batman flick - it just wouldn't wash with the public. They no-likey the monster-monster.
By the way, Troy was pretty great. by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 11th, 2008 12:55:21 PM

"Word is Singer will re-consider/re-vamp . . . by Nice Marmot	Mar 11th, 2008 12:55:50 PM
. . . his approach to the franchise in the next film." Like maybe a tribute to the comic book???
Please keep Singer away by DeCypher44	Mar 11th, 2008 12:56:12 PM
I can't fuckin stand Singer. Please, please keep him away from the next Superman project.
by Ricky Retardo	Mar 11th, 2008 12:56:47 PM
If they keep Routh are they going to call it, "Superskinnyman Returns Again?" "Look! Up in the sky! It's a turd! And, it's lame! It's Superskinnyman!" Get rid of the hopeless hack Singer. Superman's not a daytime soap opera. Put some life into it this time. No more Lex Luthor!
node32774, I liked Superman Returns... by FilmCritic3000	Mar 11th, 2008 12:58:46 PM
and I was one of the three people that really loved Ang Lee's "Hulk".
Singer..... by D o o d	Mar 11th, 2008 12:59:33 PM
Destroyed Superman in my eyes. I like him as a director and can't diss him completely. I hope he does a better job this time around.
Make a Live Action Superman Vs Doomsday by bobinnova	Mar 11th, 2008 01:00:12 PM
And kill off the Superman movie franchise. It was a mistake to have anyone fill in for Christopher Reeves so soon.
Two words: Mr.Mxyzptlk by BenBraddock	Mar 11th, 2008 01:00:17 PM
Supes needs a good villain... we have the technology.. the last movie was a bore... this is the answer! I'm serious.
Node...unwarranted? by DeCypher44	Mar 11th, 2008 01:01:18 PM
Unwarranted? Are you serious? SR was total crap. That wasn't even Superman. That was a gay boy in denial who had a kid out of wedlock and leaves him. Oh, and crapped on the American way. Oh, yeah, and Superboy. Where's the Superpooch while they're at it?
Y;know it really sucks... by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 11th, 2008 01:02:55 PM
that they aren't just revamping the whole fucking thing and starting from scratch. Singer had an opportunity to reboot the whole series and instead he wrote a love letter to Donner's 70s interpretation. It wasn't a terrible effort, but it also wasn't too good. Singer should be canned. The whole series should be rebooted, helmed by... someone like Grant Morrison. And, oh yeah-- By the way, Troy was pretty great.
Violet Grey by just pillow talk	Mar 11th, 2008 01:03:23 PM
I'm not sure you can say that. I think if they put in a "monster-monster", they could actually make Superman do something super, and if you make it exciting and throw in some more action, the non-geek movie audience would get behind it, no matter the name of that villain. Node, it's completely warranted. I didn't really like Lee's Hulk, but at least he tried something original. Singer cannot say the same.
IESB sucks by Charlie Murphy	Mar 11th, 2008 01:03:25 PM
that is all.
Don't blame the writers by Darth Fart	Mar 11th, 2008 01:04:55 PM
Hollywood films are made by a number of people.
I vote for Doomsday by Sithdan	Mar 11th, 2008 01:05:37 PM
I agree with bobinnova's post that Superman: Doomsday would make a fantastic cinematic adaptation. They could even tie in the Reign of the Supermen plot line as well.
Superman LIFTS! by fastcars	Mar 11th, 2008 01:06:59 PM
Superman Returns was the first Superman movie I ever saw, and I thought it was just okay. Then I watched the first Superman on Demand and was blown away. It was awesome - better than Returns in every way, even the action scenes, which had worse special effects! In short, I really have no interest in seeing other Superman in the vein of Returns. First two X-Mens were great though.
hope the do this by Mr.Slade	Mar 11th, 2008 01:11:53 PM
before the JLA movie completely fucks up the chances for all DC characters, i fear after that bomb comes out no one will want to see superman for a long time
FilmCritic3000 and Node32774 by SoWasRed2012	Mar 11th, 2008 01:12:44 PM
I guess that makes me the third of the aforementioned 'three people that really loved Ang Lee's "Hulk"' - can't believe how much shit they catch.
So in a nutshell- its still gonna be crap! by Jugdish	Mar 11th, 2008 01:12:54 PM
Transformers had a writer? you got to be kidding me..Will someone please send Singer to a diffrent planet so he can't some near this project..He should be whipped just for wasting all that money on those lame as overpriced shots that never made the film..
Who let these assclowns leave the Paramount lot? by SpencerTrilby	Mar 11th, 2008 01:13:13 PM
another reason for me to ignore this sequel when it hits the fan... er, I meant the screen.
Recast Lois with Rachel McAdams... by Mr. Profit	Mar 11th, 2008 01:13:45 PM
Bosworth is terrible. Oh and how about more action this time? People love Singer so much and claim X2 was the best movie ever. While it wasn't complete shit, it was still not great. U got these bad ass people with powers, yet in the end they acted like Power Rangers all helpless. I was expecting Storm to pull out a flute and scream "We Need Wolvie!". Singer just can't do action. When I saw that Superman essentially date raped Lois with his memory wiping kiss I was done. Get Alex Proyas to direct.
REBOOT REBOOT REBOOT by mayorofsimpleton	Mar 11th, 2008 01:14:03 PM
Superman needs to be a big old football player looking guy that Alex Ross would be proud of. Fuck this 70's Donner shit - every generation needs their own version of Superman and Reeves' Supes' time has come and gone. We need a REBOOT. We don't need an origin, we don't need Lois, we don't need Hackman/Spacey real estate bullshit...if we have Luthor we need Clancy Brown Evil Businessman Timm Luthor. IF.
The solution was alreday presented to them...Mark Millar by spideyed	Mar 11th, 2008 01:15:54 PM
Mark Millar offered to write this for free! He is one of the best comic (if not the best current) writers currently working and he writes in a very cinematic style (such as The Ultimates), plus Superman:Red Son is one of the best Superman Books in a long time... He offered, however as he is currently tenured at Marvel, WB said no thanks. Shame, im not suggesting every comic writer can write movies but his style is perfectly matched.
Shia LaBeouf for the recasting of Luthor! by Judge Briggs	Mar 11th, 2008 01:16:28 PM
A fresh, WB take on the franchise!
For those of you in the know... by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 01:18:52 PM
...I'm starting the countdown clock for when you-know-who shows up... *obtains sniping postion*
Four Words... by ThomasFlynn	Mar 11th, 2008 01:19:25 PM
World's Finest Fan Film. Sandy Collora gave us not only a Batman as damn close to the comic book as you can get -- he showed us a big guy playing Superman (Michael O'Hearn, now appearing on the new American Gladiators). He looked the part both as Superman AND Clark -- as if ripped right from the comic pages themselves. I'm with Billy Batts -- with all due respect to Chris Reeve -- no one has gotten this character right, except for some little-known Film Director who clearly understands what fans/moviegoers would want.
This has forced me out of Talkback semi-retirement. by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 01:20:30 PM
Man, oh man. On the Transformers extras (I was in a dark, dark place) Orci said something along the lines of "We included Scorponok as a shout-out to fans of Beast Wars!" and Kurtzman said "We included a VW Beetle at the garage as a shout-out to Bumblebee fans!" As if referentiality automatically makes a good story. Whereas in fact we know it's the way to creative paralysis, don't we my fellow peeps? Oh I am just down with the kiddies lingo today! I can just imagine the Star Trek DVD now... "We included the line 'Beam me up Scotty!' as a shout-out to the 'Beam me up Scotty' fans!"
And does that make me the 4th? by Mr. Profit	Mar 11th, 2008 01:20:43 PM
Person to like the Hulk? I thought it looked great, the "hated" comic panel screen was something that I liked, and the SFX were better looking than Spiderman. The problem with that movie was that it was waaaay too serious at times, and lacked a definitive end battle. Oh yeah and the Hulk poodle was pretty stupid. But I think that movie gets too much hate. People need to redirect the hatred toward the Fantastic Four movies.
I loved Ang Lee's Hulk, not so much Singer's flick by SpencerTrilby	Mar 11th, 2008 01:22:37 PM
now, throw in Kuntzman and Orcshit and you have the absolute certainty that it'll be crap. Way to improve upon the flawed first movie.
Duh, I'm the minority here, but ... by The Wolf at the Door	Mar 11th, 2008 01:22:50 PM
... I saw SR the other day on cable, and I absolutely loved it. Granted, I saw it three times in the cinema and, while I wasn't wowed by it, I obviously liked it enough to keep going back. This time, however, with some time having passed, I absolutely LOVED it. The rage you see at AICN over this film is complete gibberish to me. I can see X3 getting that sort of treatment. FOX and Ratner truly did demolish that franchise when we should be talking about X5 at this point. While X3 was a mindless clusterfuck of a movie, SR had subtle emotions, a deceptively simple plot that yields dividends the more you think about it, and a quality cast. People calling it "Superman Lifts" are especially wack. The airplane rescue scene is full of fantastic action that somehow manages to give Superman a challenge while respecting the laws of physics. Besides that, he's constantly using his powers - heat vision, x-ray vision, super-breath - in creative ways. And, yes, there's the morally creepy use of his x-ray vision to check in on Lois ... but did you catch that line when Richard says, "X-ray vision, I'd have fun with that one"? Duh, we'd all fantasize about the junk we'd pull if we had those powers ... but Superman actually shows some morally questionable behavior there that makes you stop and think. And yes, it's time to move on past Lex (or more like it, incorporate him into a larger universe where he's just one villain among many), but how about that line at the beginning where Martha Kent says to Clark something like, "You don't know who could be out there"? I think that was a set up line that would make a great opening line to the teaser trailer for the next film. (I'm crossing my fingers for Brainiac, personally.) The film's obviously not everyone's cup of tea. All I know is I can sit down with this film and pull more out of it with every viewing ... which is more than I can say about a slew of recent films, like the SW prequels, X3, 300, etc., etc., which I can barely sit through, let alone enjoy enough to want to talk about it later.
Roberto O, if you're listening... by Mazzer	Mar 11th, 2008 01:23:09 PM
I think there were several big mistakes in Superman Returns that I hope the writers (and Singer, if he's back) can avoid next time... 1. There's no reason why the 70s movies should be the de facto model; Superman was established decades before this, and the Donner film was pretty cheesy in retrospect. It's a big waste that Singer chose to basically just copy Donner's film in both style and story and add a kid. 2. I think the actor playing Superman was fine. The problem was that the writers gave him NOTHING to say, making him a total bore. 3. Lex Luthor. Why is it that Superman writers feel compelled to have Luthor in EVERY friggin' Superman story? Where's the originality here? We're sick of Luthor. He's there throughout Smallville, and he's there in every Superman movie since the 70s. There's a world of other possibilities to consider...
And Star-wipe...and we're out.... by LHombreSiniestro	Mar 11th, 2008 01:23:54 PM
...and thus is Superman...
Fuck it! Hire David Ellis... by Mr. Profit	Mar 11th, 2008 01:25:00 PM
That way we can complete the trifecta of stupidity with Orci and Kurtzman.
i want a superhero fight this time please by lex romero	Mar 11th, 2008 01:26:10 PM
The guy has super speed, flight, strength etc and he spent the last film lifting increasingly heavier objects and stalking lois. And oh yeah luthor tried to kill him with kryptonite again. We should have braniac, or darkseid or someone similar. Someone who can be a threat to superman physically. Whilst Luthor works in the background, trying to use the events to his advantage. However wanting a big ass superhero brawl with some other super powered alien shouldn't mean we have to bring in the hacks who wrote transformers.
Oh and BTW, Kate Beckinsale for Lois by spideyed	Mar 11th, 2008 01:26:37 PM
Perfect....see her in The Aviator, kinda like that. Im all for Singer as i liked SR but the tribute to Donner has been done, we need Brainiac and a few fist fights, a breezier direction.
Singer will re-imagine/revamp his approach by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 11th, 2008 01:26:55 PM
as in he might make it good?
So then Brett Ratner will not swoop in to direct it? by StudioPlant69	Mar 11th, 2008 01:27:06 PM
Oh and can Superman have a gay robot (robosexual) sidekick? He also must lift a lot of heavy stuff, cause that was sooo exciting in Superman Returns... gfy
Welcome to 2006 everybody by Pipple	Mar 11th, 2008 01:27:26 PM
fuckwambamy
JLA: Rise of The Man of Steel by SpencerTrilby	Mar 11th, 2008 01:30:57 PM
I can totally see that coming.
by HewligansHaircut	Mar 11th, 2008 01:32:10 PM
Come on... If you look at Superman Returns, there are some stand out moments. I would put the plane crash/rescue up there as a great action sequence.. I would even put the 'flight' between Supes and Lois over Metropolis as a great moment, very moving, touching on music and imagery from the Richard Donner movies (it brought a lump to my throat!).. I would even put some of the 'save metropolis' sequence as good... I would concede that the last 20 minutes was a mistake, but I am on the fence about the 'Super son' situation.. When i first heard about it, i was a bit miffed, but actually watching it in the movie, I wasn't that annoyed (I actually thought the kid was one of the best, least annoying kids in cinema history... probably because he didn't say much)... Singer was obviously going for a serious feeling movie, and probably strayed just a little bit too close to the seriousness (something Ang Lee did all too much in the Hulk movie).. Singers craftmanship can be seen in bucket loads in Returns and the imagery that was brought to the film was truley comic book (some shots were pure Alex Ross)... Singer being back with everything he has learnt, bring it on.. A craftman and an artist, with the knowledge of moving slightly closer to the more mass market, pop corn type storyline, but keeping some of quality seen in the first film has a chance of producing a quality film.... Fingers crossed..
I liked Ang Lee's Hulk too... by BrooseTheScharuk	Mar 11th, 2008 01:33:30 PM
...but HATED Superman Returns. Not even a huge fan of Donner's Superman. I think, as long as they keep trying to update Superman, they'll keep fucking him up. They seriously need to make a 1940's period piece out of it. Or -- better yet -- adapt Tom De Haven's novel: "It's Superman!". You can tell that Singer doesn't get the character, solely from the visual homage to Action Comics #1 in Returns, where Supes is gently putting down a car instead of throwing it. What a gloomy, wishy washy, angst-ridden piece of shit that movie was. And remember, Superman should be superhuman, not godlike. "Faster than a speeding bullet...more powerful than a locomotive...able to leap tall buildings in a single bound..." The best thing you can give a character is limitations.
I hear you, Mazzer... by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 11th, 2008 01:33:47 PM
Regarding Lex: I wouldn't be adverse to the character figuring in to future films as long as he's not the dime store Vaudevillian, cornball wiseacre from all the previous films. It still astounds me that movie-Lex has been reduced from the ultra-manipulative and deceptive mega-mind of the comics into the real estate obsessed huckster of the films. Shit, I'm surprised Singer didn't try to pull poor old Ned Beatty out of the old folks home to play Lex's bumbling sidekick, Otis. Whether Millar or Morrison are involved, I wish the filmmakers would do a tad bit of research on the best comic plots and characters that are extant. There's no need to reinvent the fucking wheel here...
Fack that by Ugee	Mar 11th, 2008 01:34:09 PM
3 Words Faggots! Superman Versus Cloverfield. Your eyes will bleed with joy!
Super-Duper by sirbroiler	Mar 11th, 2008 01:34:14 PM
First off - Michael O'Hearn looked like an idiot as Clark. Second - Superman doesn't have to have the build of 'Ahnald' to be believable. It's his alien heritage that makes him strong - not some ridiculous comic muscles. Third - Lex Luthor should be far, far away fome this story. Unless he's only in the first five minutes and somehow uncovers a soulless, heartless, Brainiac who immediately kills of that stupid super kid from Returns. That will surely get Superman's blood boiling, and give us the kind of throw-down that we want to see in a Superman movie. Fourth - NO FUCKING KRYPTONITE!!!! Fifth - Let's see some people die in this thing - really make it life-or-death that motivates Superman to save the day. Again, who better to kill a bunch of people than Brainiac?
Orci and Kurtzman by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 11th, 2008 01:35:21 PM
Do the studios seek out crap writers? What great screenwriting leads the powers that be to believe that these two clowns are the ones to save the Superman series (hate the word franchise)? There's a great book waiting to be written about how so many young talentless pretty boys came to positions of power in the movie industry amd fucked up a lot of potentially good movies.
Get in Richard Lester by henrydalton	Mar 11th, 2008 01:35:35 PM
You were all thinking it.
I liked Ang Lee's Hulk too... by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 11th, 2008 01:37:28 PM
apart from the awful monster dog attack sequence. At least Lee was trying to do something different, he deserves points for that. I expect a major re-evaluation of this film after people have witnessed the 'work' of Louis Letterier this summer.
Will someone fucking make Superman Lives already? by Dr. Stanley Goodspeed	Mar 11th, 2008 01:37:31 PM
http://www.script-o-rama.com/m ovie_scripts/superman-lives-sc ript.html
RE: "Singers dirty faggot brigade..." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 01:38:11 PM
Sad to see that AICN's homophobic asshole brigade is still pissing their beds.
As much as I liked Superman Returns, by SoWasRed2012	Mar 11th, 2008 01:38:34 PM
I always thought that the problem with the character IN GENERAL was that he has probably the weakest rogues gallery of all the big comic book super heroes. I'm a Marvel guy so I'm not so well versed in Supes lore, but I couldn't name a single worthwhile villain to go up against him - Lex IS HUMAN, Brainiac, Bizarro and Doomsday are all ridiculous and more than a bit shit, who is the one that could really give him a run for his money without having to resort to Kryptonite-spiked drinks or Kryptonite gas or Kryptonite flavoured gummy bears? I commend Superman Returns for essentially ignoring the lacklustre villains and making it more of a character piece - now all the people that moaned about that decision are gonna get exactly what they asked for, from the two guys who know exactly how to deliver brainless shit.
YOU ALL FUCKING DESERVE IT. by greenstyle92	Mar 11th, 2008 01:38:37 PM
Piss on Returns for trying to be a little bit different from your average Superhero flick, and you the franchise fucking Bay-ized. Not to mention all the despicable Gay baiting you lobbed Singer and Routh's way. This makes me happy. There is a God, and His Vengence is fucking fierce.
I'm all for you period piece theory, BrooseTheScharuk by SpencerTrilby	Mar 11th, 2008 01:40:53 PM
Supes is one of the few heroes (along with the X-Men, FF or Iron Man) who need the period treatment, as they were much mor interesting and/or compelling at the time of their creation. 21st century fits Batman, or Daredevil, or Hulk. But Supes needs the old fashioned American Way as much as the X-Men need the Civil Rights or Shellhead needs the Cold War to fully exploit their potential. Besides, that would absolutely ROCK onscreen with today's technology. And bring a bit of originality in the comics to film adaptations.
Geez, give it a rest already... by rogmel	Mar 11th, 2008 01:41:46 PM
How many times do we have to hear the same ol' rehashed bitches about SR. Yeah, it didn't please EVERYONE, but some liked it...just how some didn't like Batman Begins and some won't like Iron Man, etc. Did Singer take the wrong approach initially...yes. Was it a bad idea bringing a Super-offspring into it...hell yes (unless they kill him off). Was it watchable? IMO, yes. AND, not only that, but it brought Superman back on the screen and opened up the potential for future films. If nothing else, it managed that.
Kill all birds with one stone by bobinnova	Mar 11th, 2008 01:42:03 PM
Indiana Jones, John McClane, Superman, and Rambo versus Terminator, Alien, Predator, Freddy, and Jason. Everyone dies in the end so Hollywood can just move on. We can call it "Bryan Singer and the Kingdom of the 1980s Remake"
And I come in at number five. by Juggernaut125	Mar 11th, 2008 01:42:11 PM
to say that I liked Ang Lee's Hulk. So much so that I was planning on boycotting the new one... (until rumours of an RDJ Iron Man appearance started popping up. However, I LOATHE Singer's Superman Returns. He simply does not get who Superman IS. His greatest power isn't his strength, or his ability to fly really fast and so on. It's his ability to always no right from wrong. He would know it was wrong to X-ray vision Lois' house to spy on her. And he certainly would've known it was wrong to knock her up when she was only 18 and then leave the world to go looking for his roots. (What a stupid concept anyway). I wish for a Superman Reboot. One that is more in line with the comics than with the movies. Krypton is destroyed. Kal-el comes to earth. Ma and Pa Kent BOTH live to see him save the world. And I prefer my Lex Luthor as a multi-billionaire megalomaniac. They came close with Spacey. But his scheme was ridiculous. Please. WB. Let me produce your movie. Step 1. Fire Singer. Step 2. Fire the TF writers. Step 3. Write a new Superman movie for a new generation. Step 4. Hire a Superman who can be physically intimidating in blue and red tights. (although Routh was the least of my complaints in SR). NO KIDS FOR SUPERMAN!!!! And I wish I knew how to write this using paragraphs. :(
* Awaiting Target Acquisition * by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 01:42:29 PM
* Hold for Confirmation *
HewligansHaircut by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 11th, 2008 01:43:39 PM
Come on, Superman Returns was a disaster. A $200 million movie that starts with a title card explaining all the back story? Come on, that's a rookie error. A lame title sequence, trying to evoke the majesty of the Donner original and failing miserably. The first scene in the movie is the lame schtick with Kevin Spacey in a truly terrible, phoned in performance. The plane crash sequence is not exciting at all, having been thought out and pre-planned about a thousand times on a computer a year earlier. Bosworth, Marsden and Routh are horribly bland, with no charisma or screen presence. I could go on, but i'm getting depressed just thinking about it. Hang on, just thought of all the 'Superman as Christ' metaphor shots...All in all possibly the least exciting superhero movie i've ever seen.
Wow, BustedTees already has an Eliot Spitzer tee by thebearovingian	Mar 11th, 2008 01:44:39 PM
TOO SOON!!! Damn you, Bryan Singer! Damn you, Ridley Scott! I try to like Blade Runner but I just can't!
Yeah--FUCK AICN HOMOPHOBES! by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 11th, 2008 01:44:53 PM
That stated, SR ain't too good, but it doesn't have to do with anyone's sexual orientation. By the way, gay bashers, have you seen me knife? Remember, guys: HOMOPHOBES = CLOSET CASES. It's scientifically proven (google "University of Georgia" and "homophobia").
SoWasRed2012... by rogmel	Mar 11th, 2008 01:45:55 PM
DC villians in general are pretty lame. I was given a DC Comics encyclopedia and a Marvel encyclopedia as a gift for xmas last year and looking through the DC one was pretty humerous. Superman DOESN'T have many villians that are worth bringing to the screen (Doomsday, perhaps, and also Zod), but the rest are so implausible or ridiculous that doing so would take all the believability out of it. Just like if they had put the real Galactus in FF2. Some characters are NOT good for film.
Superman 2: Terminator 4 by bobjustbob	Mar 11th, 2008 01:47:03 PM
Superman Returns had some good ideals but was flat as a movie. Flat acting, flat directing. No tension or connection with any of the characters. Casting was horrible. (Ok, it had couple of great visual moments.) Kurtzman/Orci can only make things worse.
THE ISLAND anyone? by C.K. Lamoo	Mar 11th, 2008 01:51:16 PM
Started out well, picked up when Steve Buscemi appeared, went south when Bay through out the script to do huge action sequence. Went soft and mushy when the black mercenary switched sides. Ended up an unbelivable mess.
Kurtzi and Orcman ARE TEH SUCK!!! by BRUTICUS	Mar 11th, 2008 01:51:30 PM
Seriously... these guys have ruined enough franchises. THey realize I gues that writing for a franchise will still bring in the crowd even if the writing is REALLY REALLY BAD. Still can't believe what they did to Transformers
Yeah -- Kurtzman/Orci are ridiculous fuck ups! by Boborci	Mar 11th, 2008 01:51:45 PM
Hope they die!
Rogmel by SoWasRed2012	Mar 11th, 2008 01:54:16 PM
On paper (not drawn...) Doomsday sounds like a brilliant villain for Supes, but he looks goddam stupid, obviously whoever put him in a movie would change him up a bit, but then you're opening up the 'It's-Not-True-To-The-Source!! !' can of fanboy rage. As for Zod, I find it impossible to feel threatened by Terrence Stamp in a baggy jumpsuit, and that's how I'll always remember that character. I follow Smallville pretty closely and, to be honest, I'd be pretty happy watching a Superman movie if the villain was Lex Luthor the way he's played on that show, genuinely sinister, rather than some campy scenery muncher. Agreed on the Galcactus thing too, the cloud was brave and I don't entirely hate it, but I think the Gah-Lak-Tus hive mind thing from the ultimate universe coulda worked pretty well.
Boborci by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 01:54:58 PM
How ironic of you, sir!
Loved Superman Returns by Brian_De_Man	Mar 11th, 2008 01:55:03 PM
The only thing I thought could have been better was Lois Lane, her acting sucked. I loved Brandon Routh as Superman.
Superman Returns tops Batman Begins though by Pipple	Mar 11th, 2008 01:55:54 PM
in my book. Both still flawed like shit though but what movie isn't. shrugs
Singer and Superman... by Brians Life	Mar 11th, 2008 01:58:03 PM
...some one on the TB's a few weeks ago said they didn't think that Singer was a fan of Superman...and I have to agree. Now, he always said he loved the first movie (who didn't?) and is a huge Christopher Reeve fan...but I really don't think he is a Superman fan...and if he is...he DOESN'T "get him." I live and work in LA and there are times I fantasize about running into Singer so I can give him a long list of how many ways and how much he missed the mark with that movie. While watching it I enjoyed Superman Returns, but once I sat and thought about it...it ALL fell apart. Yes, the action is great but it's hollow and sort of just there. Singer missed the point and he wrote off ALL fanboy complaints by saying the sequel will have "plenty of scary, sci-fi shit in it." AS THOUGH THAT'S ALL WE WANT!?!? No, Brian, it wasn't the lack of scary non-sci fi stuff, it was that the script was horribly lacking. Ah well. Smoke up, Jimmies!!!
What are you going to do with superboy? by Pipple	Mar 11th, 2008 01:59:00 PM

Orci/Kurtzman by rogmel	Mar 11th, 2008 01:59:17 PM
I just looked them up on IMDB. They also wrote "Legend of Zorro," another franchise killed by the addition of a child to the story to make it more family friendly. They'll fit right into this story-line.
Mysterious yobo... by Brians Life	Mar 11th, 2008 01:59:55 PM
...turn fuckin' 6.
Doomsday will not happen because... by AdrianVeidt	Mar 11th, 2008 02:02:38 PM
...Fantastic Four's Dr. Doom was a very similar idea in terms of bizarreness (not a word, don't shoot me), and did not go over well. Given what everyone has engrained in their minds as Superman and his stories, I just think that a Doomsday character wouldn't go over well. Prove me wrong, Singer.
Who cares who writes it as long as... by Pariah74	Mar 11th, 2008 02:03:38 PM
SUPES DOESN'T FIGHT LEX FREAKING LUTHOR AND KRYPTONITE!! Fer cryin' out loud!! Why oh why haven't they don't Bizarro? He's got like 3 different origins so there will be less bitching about whether it was done "right" or not and he can whoop Superman's ass for 30 minutes and make me hapy! GAH!
Kurtzman/Orci : NAIL IN COFFIN by Se7en	Mar 11th, 2008 02:04:33 PM
damn suits.
so by that logic: CHRISTOPHOBES=CLOSET CHRISTIANS by thebearovingian	Mar 11th, 2008 02:04:49 PM
ISLAMOPHOBES= CLOSET MUSLIMS REPUBLICANS/ DEMOCRAPHOBES= CLOSET DEMOCRATS HOMOSEXUAL HETEROPHOBES= CLOSET HETEROPHOBES Someone rescue us from this madness!
Returns sucked, really really sucked. by shitstorm23	Mar 11th, 2008 02:04:49 PM
It is the only movie in the last 10 years I walked out of. Not because I was offended or anything, I was just so bored and really didn't care what happened. I didn't mind Routh, just the story, the kid and Luthor being so fucking silly. Why can't he be this genius corporate mogol like TAS. Have him make some Kryptonite Brass knuckles and beat the shit out of Superman, instead of some pussy who tries to make these retarded land deals. Since they refuse to do Luthor any justice, just bring in Brainiac. I agree the Ang Lee's Hulk gets a little too much shit. But so much of it is terrible. The poodles, his dad, and yes the comic panels were fucking stupid. The parts with the Hulk were actually kind of cool though. I dug him swinging the tank and jumping miles at a time. The Hulk should be a state of emergency, a natural disaster waiting to happen, so he really needs to be this CGI'd beast like in Hulk. Let's hope this next one doesn't have all the same shitty issues.
For all the 'Superman Returns' flaws... by Lone_Wolf_McQuaalude	Mar 11th, 2008 02:06:19 PM
I still think the airplane sequence is the best action scene in a 'comic book' movie ever put to film. Keep Singer on the franchise.
correction by thebearovingian	Mar 11th, 2008 02:06:54 PM
HOMOSEXUAL HETEROPHOBES= CLOSET HETEROSEXUALS
I hate reboots by Sithdan	Mar 11th, 2008 02:09:18 PM
I personally think that reboots or reimaginings are lazy writing. The Hulk hit theaters just a few years ago and already they're rebooting it? I hope the next Superman movie picks up where SR left off. Ignoring these events just cheats the audience. Bryan Singer dug that hole, and it's the filmmakers' responsibility to dig their way out. What was the point of wasting our time with these movies if Hollywood keeps ignoring them in future sequels? I felt cheated watching Halloween H20 (ignoring the events of Halloween 6) and Casino Royale (pretending NONE of the previous Bond adventures had ever happened). I hope Superman doesn't follow in the same trend. I just wish Superman Returns didn't acknowledge Superman III or IV. But it did carry on the original saga surprisingly well.
4 Words Bitches by Ugee	Mar 11th, 2008 02:09:34 PM
Jeff Goldblum as Superman! Oh and Superman Returns was just ok. Not bad but not good either. Just kind of there. Routh looked the part but was just flat. Bosworth needs to not be in film period. She is not attractive what so ever. Maybe she should be the villan in the next movie so they can kill her off. I agree with others here who say enough with Lex and Kryptonite. That shit got old after the first two movies. Kryptonite is bad for Supes WE GET IT! But like I said Jeff Goldblum as Supes and Johnny Depp as Zod with Carrie-Ann Moss as Ursa and Janet Reno as that big motherfucker that rolls with them. Cinematic gold.
Open up the cosmo's!!!!!! Open up the SCALE by wilsonfisk89	Mar 11th, 2008 02:09:57 PM
FF, X-Men, Superman, etc, are all helmed by directors or producers unwilling to admit that much of the best parts of comic book lore, are otherworldly villians! YES to Brainiac, Bizzaro, Darkseid, Parasite, Hank Henshaw, etc. The scale of these films hardly ever matches the powers and abilities, like in X1, wow the X-Men traverse the Statue of Liberty, Big Woop, whereas they can wind up on a Shi'ar warship face to face with Cable or some shit. Even Superman Returns was so so slight in scale. Here comes Luthor with a dubious real estate plan that realistically didnt seem to threaten a single individual let alone Metropolis, let alone EARTH. There was no Earth shattering threat, hell, Supes and Luthor were only face to face for like a minute. Bosworth was good enough but had a lack of kick-ass material. The Lois of comics holds Clarks balls in her hands and is deeply driven and powerful, Bosworth was quiet, matronly, and waifish. The 'kid' plot was such a ballsy misfire too.
Who doesn't "get" what now? by The Wolf at the Door	Mar 11th, 2008 02:10:08 PM
The problem with doing these high-profile superhero films is that no one could ever possibly "get" such a long-standing character with so many derivations. At least not to satisfy every fanboy (using the term positively) out there. Someone in this TB already said that Superman shouldn't be god-like. He should just be "faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a blah blah blah." Okay, fair enough. Somtimes in the comics, Superman can jump over tall buildings, and other times he can just fly to another galaxy. Sometimes he can stop a bullet with his hand, and sometimes he can move planets. (And, um, sometimes he's made of blue lightning, or ... something ...) With a vampire flick, or a movie about King Arthur, you don't get this kind of OUTRAAAAAAAGE!!! from the fans when King Arthur's crown is too big or too small, or he's not "valient" enough (or has a bastard child cough). Hey, who the hell cares, it's King Arthur! But then there's this ONE Superman film, and we've all been like just DYING to see Superman on screen, haven't we? And if it's not TEH Superman ... well, then, the director just doesn't "get" Supes, does he? B-b-b-b-but Supes doesn't have kids! And he never does anything wrong! And his muscles are bigger, or smaller. Ugh. I can understand that it's upsetting, since you figure there's "one" Superman (except in the Multiverse, but let's not talk about that right now), and you only get "one" movie franchise (unless you're Batman or the Hulk), so you want it to be perfect. You want the director to "get" Superman. I get it. It's a tough road to hoe for Singer. (And to think, we could have had Burton ... or McG ... or Ratner direct it. Sign, the possibilities. I bet they really "get" Superman.) Get what I'm saying?
Adrian Veidt, why are you in a Talkback... by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 02:11:14 PM
when the director of 300 has put leather nipples on your costume? Oh and for the benefit of "Boborci" I'm going to include the word SCORPONOK in my message as a shout-out to Beast Wars fans! Beam me up Scotty...
In the words of Homer Simpson... by Mr. JLo	Mar 11th, 2008 02:14:10 PM
Superman Returns was BORING!!!
FUCK! WHY ARE DO THESE MORONS KEEP GETTING HIRED? by Proman1984	Mar 11th, 2008 02:14:49 PM
They suck!
joeelliott by Mr. JLo	Mar 11th, 2008 02:15:10 PM
is the secret
joeelliott ... by The Wolf at the Door	Mar 11th, 2008 02:15:52 PM
< p > (without the spaces)
The Wolf at the Door by Mr. JLo	Mar 11th, 2008 02:17:30 PM
.... thats what I meant to say
Mysterious Yobo by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 02:19:28 PM
Nice attempt at nuancing your way out of that hole. But you failed. Generally and specifically.
Superman Returns is a piece of trash. by Cotton McKnight	Mar 11th, 2008 02:22:33 PM
I can't believe that Singer is anywhere near this project. Seriously, aren't we all in agreement that the movie was at least as awful as The Hulk? I mean come on.
William Landis 1, Neil Marshall 0 by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 02:29:55 PM
To cut a long story short, the director of "Doomsday" is afraid of spoons.
I do have to say. by Juggernaut125	Mar 11th, 2008 02:30:03 PM
Thank you AICN for posting this article as this has been my personal favorite topic for discussion all the way back to the Abrams script leak. And every time I see Superman on screen it gets to me how the people responsible just don't GET who this guy is. Donner was close, and Reeves did a phenomenal job of portraying him. Unfortunately S1 launched the 'Lex as a vaudevillain' archetype. And the whole flying around the world to turn time backwards just... bugs me. For those of you who enjoyed Singer's SR, that's fine. If it was SuperHeroMan, or MegaLiftingMan or some other superhero no one has ever heard of. But that's not who the movie was about. Singer's movie has put down in history that Superman has a child. THAT in and of itself was a terrible idea. Because now the sequels have to deal with the child and it becomes less about The Man of Steel and more about The Dad of Steel. I guarentee there will be a 'my dad can beat up your dad' riff in the new script. Dumb. Smallville comes closer to getting who Superman (And Lex Luthor) is. Luthor can still be in the movie, but working behind the scenes. Pulling the strings. Intimidating everyone else with his vast wealth and power. While being responsible for the deaths of hundreds (maybe thousands of people) yet never getting his hands dirty. RDJ's Tony Stark comes closer to Lex Luthor in the opening of the Iron Man Trailers than LL has ever been portrayed on film to date.
Well, I guess that was a SCOOP for this website. by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 02:30:29 PM

Start over!! by Mr. JLo	Mar 11th, 2008 02:31:21 PM
This time do it in the same time period that the comic book came out. Was that like the 30s or something? I think that would make it very interesting.
Orcman and Kurtzi by BRUTICUS	Mar 11th, 2008 02:32:18 PM
boborci....how bout doing us all a favor and do something original....you know, in hopes to prove your worth before ruining any more established series?
Dumb ass. by Cotton McKnight	Mar 11th, 2008 02:34:02 PM
You know, Singer could have left IN "The American Way" to remind us of what is good about America, and what could be again.. to paraphrase James Earl Jones. Like it or not, Superman is an American creation, and reflects how we want to view ourselves. Everything about it is "American", and the character could have only been born from the mind of someone heavily influenced by our culture. Instead, Singer goes the pussy route and takes it out so as not to "offend" people overseas. And if it WAS a political statement, then they took the low road. They could have gone either way- reminding the world of our true value system, regardless of what you think of Bush, or they could of crapped all over it. They chose the latter. Bully for them. I'm not seeing a sequel.. not for that, but because it was a piece of shit movie that contradicted everything I know about Superman. Superman would NOT leave for 5 years or however the hell long it was, and he would not be stalking Lois Lane. That movie is just a nightmare from beginning to end.
BOB ORCI!!! LOW FIVE ME MAN!!!! by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 02:34:43 PM
You left me hanging for months. You owe me. Now.
Conundrum for Neil Marshall: by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 02:36:26 PM
I want to eat a bowl of cereal and milk. I have a fear of spoons. What do I eat with? By the way, "The Descent" is not a Get-Out-Of-Jail Card. YOU FEAR SPOONS!
FUCK THOSE GUYS! by tile_mcgillus	Mar 11th, 2008 02:36:55 PM
Oh my god. This cant be serious! I hope these two assholes get raped my marauding groups of velociraptors!
BOB ORCI - HERE IS SOME ADVICE ABOUT SUPERMAN by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 02:38:50 PM
NO MORE LEX LUTHOR AND REAL ESTATE PLOTS. You can thank me with a high five!
I liked Superman Returns by JayWells87	Mar 11th, 2008 02:39:39 PM
It was an interesting look at the character of Superman, but you can tell Singer developed it as far as he could, we should get someone else's interpretation. But with these writers...I may pass.
unwarranted bashing??? by slappy jones	Mar 11th, 2008 02:40:57 PM
not only are the criticisms warranted I think the film gets let off to easy. Its an ugly, boring, depressing, badly acted, badly written over blown fan film. Ghastly on every level. Singers terrible decision to link directly to the reeve films doomed it form the start. it was a terrible idea. and the characters name is superman not blandman.that routh kid had ZERO charisma. he is just a blank sheet. he was meant to be superman for christ sake...and you go watch the film again...notice how he only speaks in short sentences..there are never any real moments where he talks for a long period of time....it is incredibly odd and the only reason I can imagine is because his performance must have been so bad that they cut around his "performance".I will believe a singer sequel when we see it. A reboot like the hulk I can see but not a sequel to that dreadful returns garbage. even spacey sucked.
Superman vs. Lobo! by travis-dane	Mar 11th, 2008 02:41:12 PM
The Main Man would beat Superman`s sorry ass and rape Lois Lane`s ass with his hook! Then Lobo has a smoke and leaves! Shit.....I am a Supes fan,ah nevermind.ORCI SUCKS!
BURN IN HELL SINGER by Live.	Mar 11th, 2008 02:41:30 PM
He turns SR into complete garbage and now he's back to shit on Superman's legacy again.
Orci's gotta be getting inspiration from this thread by wilsonfisk89	Mar 11th, 2008 02:42:08 PM
No Joke, if dude is here reading this stuff, and may well be the next Superman writer, he is undoubtedly getting some inspiration from our responses. Here is mine- Mr. Orci, Open up the scale please! Read the Doomsday/Reign Arc, not as an idea, but as inspiration, to show the VASTNESS of the Superman Universe. Also, the Worlds Finest specials from the 80's are great, darkly framed, and serious, nearly noir in tone. Understand that Luthor is PLAYED OUT, move on to a new, extraterrestrial villian, please. And realise that Superman's godlike powers can lead to infinite fun, new, and dynamic ideas and problems, moral and otherwise. This is a great property, study it completely before writing your script please!
You're right Wolfatd by Juggernaut125	Mar 11th, 2008 02:43:21 PM
Instead of saying who Superman is, I should have said 'Who Superman COULD BE'. Morally strong above everything else. And yet powerful enough to kick the crap out of Cloverfield. Which IS an idea I really like. And Luthor COULD BE the puppet master supreme. Instead of the same real estate lover. I just fucking hate how Singer has brought in Super Jr. into this Superman film mythos. It bugs me to no end.
William Landis said: by Boborci	Mar 11th, 2008 02:43:57 PM
"Well, I guess that was a SCOOP for this website." Nope.
Reboot. Recast. Revamp. by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 11th, 2008 02:45:31 PM
Get rid of Bosworth. Get rid of the kid. Do an old fashioned adventure with Supes and Lois and get rid of Singer. The guy is too dark for Superman. Superman is a big bright Indy type adventure. It should have fun, wit and charm. And lots of great dialog and action.
the guy who wrote transformers by BigTexas42	Mar 11th, 2008 02:45:45 PM
should not be allowed to wright anything anymore ever. anything. ever. not even his name. not even an "x". I don't even want him pissing in the snow for fear that it might accidentally spell a word and michael bay will make it into a movie.
I guess this proves the Story is true ... by krack	Mar 11th, 2008 02:45:56 PM
or else Orci wouldn't have been lurking in here. Hard to believe the Superman Returns franchise could go from bad to worse, but it sure as hell did.
Superman Returns Sucked. Transformers Blew by BilboRing	Mar 11th, 2008 02:46:12 PM
Transformers is one of the worst movies I have ever seen. I saw it in the movies and didn't like it. I rented it to give it a 2nd chance and it was just terrible. Superman Returns was a snoozer and just a bad movie. Terrible story. Acting was good. Lois Lane was horrible mis-cast though. But what a terrible story. Just terrible. Ruined the entire franchise for me.
Wolf at the door... by BrooseTheScharuk	Mar 11th, 2008 02:46:50 PM
...while I agree with much that you say, I have to take issue with you paraphrasing my comment out of context. If you read the last sentence in my post, you will notice that I mention that limitations benefit a character. Although I do prefer the golden age take on Superman, my comments were more about what would work better for a movie. And I am -- far and away -- a bigger movie fan than I am a comic fan. I also feel that James Bond movies would be better if they were still set in the early sixties. That's just where that character belongs. Some attempts at updating certain characters just come off as desperate attempts to keep these properties relevant. I will stand by this: Although there are -- as you point out -- many ways to interpret certain characters and still maintain the essence of that character -- I think that anyone who makes as joyless a movie as Superman Returns truly doesn't get Superman. That's right...doesn't get it! You can be creative up to a certain point, but you can also bury or overlook those core elements that make a character what he is. That's not creative interpretation; it's missing the point. I am ALWAYS open to clever and creative interpretation, but making Superman mopey and selfish just smells too much like trying to make him into some other kind of character that young people are going to more readily respond to. Making him godlike just caters to the modern obsession with more and more power, as well as bigger and better special effects. It's not about people having revolutionary ideas that serve to illuminate a character more vividly -- it's just about marketability in a world where everything has to be "dark" or "badass". Ultimately, I don't think there's a real audience for a bona fide Superman movie now. Ideas like selflessness and sacrifice are just laughed at today. I will give Bryan Singer credit for knowing that, but I think it should have led to the decision to either set the movie in a period where such sentiments have a context to work within that comes off more as nostalgia than preaching, or to just not make a Superman movie. I'd be fine with that, too.
I defended SR in the past, but no longer... by Zardoz	Mar 11th, 2008 02:47:29 PM
That movie bores the shit out of me on subsequent repeat viewings. It was too slow, too serious and very dumb. On the other hand, it had a great production design and the SFX that were in it were top-notch. Spacey was great as Luthor, but the teenage Lois, has got to go. (and abort the kid next time, too!) How exactly did Lois survive pregnancy with a super-fetus, btw? (Read "The Pro" for a hilarious lesson on super-ejaculate!) So, for next time, new lois, no kid, more action and a good story. (no Luthor real estate land-grabs, please!)
LMAO @ BigTexas42 by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 11th, 2008 02:47:31 PM
Transformers was awful, but Star Trek is much better. At least the 50 pages of it I read. In fact it's fucking amazing. Wait and see, most will change their minds on Orci and Kurtzman, I know I did.
NODE - I THINK WE DO NEED THE "AMERICAN WAY" FOR GOOD REASON by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 02:50:31 PM
Firstly, it is part of Siegel and Schuster canon. And being Jewish immigrants, they were proud to hail Superman as an American character, raised by adoptive American parents with ideals that not only exemplify our nation's best, yet incorporate a responsibility to respect and protect the human race at large. I think Superman should return to those unabashed American roots, not only to demonstrate the core of our values, but to remind ourselves of them too. To have, once again, a hero for us and our children to look up to. As Americans, at America. Politically speaking, our standing in the world, recently tarnished by the Bush Administration, should have no bearing on the highest ideals we may not necessarily embody by action, but should remain as ideals to pursue and identify with. You hearing me Orci? Low five, on the slide?
No! by memflix	Mar 11th, 2008 02:50:55 PM
Only call those folks when you need something brainless. Granted they worked on Alias, but The Island and Transformers? I was already irritated that they took on Star Trek. Abrams has such a cadre of brilliant writers to choose from, why? MI3 was alright, but the plotting was one of it's biggest drawbacks. I listened to a podcast recently with Drew Goddard. He is more than willing to tackle a comicbook property. Give it to him and let Bay have Orci and Kurtzman
I'm still hopeful about this... by Librerarian	Mar 11th, 2008 02:52:38 PM
It's good that Singer's back, though I'm less certain about the writing team. Hopefully we'll finally get that great Superman movie. A revamped approach sounds good. Anyone else think the next Superman should be in the style of Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow? That's what's needed here, in either a WWII era or 1950s Metropolis. Either that or the Death of Superman: The Movie (w/ emphasis on the four Supermans).
Ho Hum... by TroutMaskReplicant	Mar 11th, 2008 02:52:56 PM
I like Singer a lot as a director and as a person. But I think his talents lie more in making clever, Hitchcock style thrillers. He just doesn't have the kinetic "joi de vivre" for special effects heavy movies...
Oh god... the suits woudn't dare... by Kid Z	Mar 11th, 2008 02:56:08 PM
...if Singer doesn't come back... w-will that mean... MICHAEL BAY DIRECTING A SUPERMAN MOVIE?!!!???!!?? nnnnnnNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!ooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo......
Oh god... the suits wouldn't dare... by Kid Z	Mar 11th, 2008 02:56:17 PM
...if Singer doesn't come back... w-will that mean... MICHAEL BAY DIRECTING A SUPERMAN MOVIE?!!!???!!?? nnnnnnNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!ooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooo......
COTTON MCKNIGHT by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 02:56:55 PM
Just read your post about The American Way. As you can see I agree with ya. High five!
Empire have followed this story up... by dr_buggerlugs	Mar 11th, 2008 02:57:26 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/ne ws/story.asp?NID=22165 - looks like Singer is in, with the intention of directing it.
damn those teenage writers won't be back... by Rupee88	Mar 11th, 2008 03:00:44 PM
..and they did just a great job the first time....asswipes.
REBOOT THIS CRAP by Live.	Mar 11th, 2008 03:03:25 PM
"From the writers behind Transformers"??? That's the big plan to save the franchise? My God, can the decision making there get any more asinine?
Do People Like Superman Anymore? by TroutMaskReplicant	Mar 11th, 2008 03:05:23 PM
Obviously there's a lot of love for Superman round here. But amongst non-comic readers does Superman still capture people's imagination? I think since the first Batman film, Batman has outstripped him in popularity...
Superman Returns was GREAT!!! NO REBOOT!!!!! by FleshMachine	Mar 11th, 2008 03:07:08 PM
a perfect return to the classic Chris Reeve film style with a little updating. I dont like the sound of these new writers.
Superman Returns by tallsy	Mar 11th, 2008 03:11:33 PM
I still think Moriarty's review summed up SR better than anything else I've read (or written) so I won't add to that. The real question is how can Singer create an interesting, enjoyable film given the corner he painted himself into in the first one.
FIRE SINGER! HIRE A REAL DIRECTOR! REBOOT PLEASE! by LaserPants	Mar 11th, 2008 03:14:36 PM
Singer RUINED Superman. Aside from the music and some cool art-direction, the Donnerverse blows. End it. Hire a new director. Perhaps one without such a raging coke problem and/or irritating gay emo martyr complex. Get Alfonso Cuaron or Del Toro or the Cohen Bros. or fuck, even Spielberg on the phone. Any of these guys could easily make a brilliant Superman movie. Another Singer movie = the REAL Death of Superman. Don't kill him, please? Let a good director take a shot? Please?
Please no scenes of Superheroes crying by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 03:22:29 PM
It's overdone.
Superman Returns was TERRIBLE!!! WORST HERO MOVIE IN RECENT TIME by MonkeyManReturns	Mar 11th, 2008 03:24:04 PM
Singer is a good director but he just didn't GET Superman. He tried to make it into some OC, Dawsons Creek type crap and ruined it biiiig time! It was awful. The whole thing. Luthor, the kid, Lois, the whole 'create a country' thing - awful! And he just doesn't know how to cast female characters. Kate whats-her-face was an awful Lois Lane (just like Anna whats-her-face was a bad Rogue). I mean, the whole thing was terrible!! The next Superman should be so easy to write - I mean, how can you screw up such a character. How difficult can it be to get a script going? Hec, in my head right now I have the next two Superman movies written - and I'm a nobody!!! SUPERMAN RETURNS WAS AWFUL. DO NOT HIRE SINGER!
I hear ya', BrooseTheScharuk by The Wolf at the Door	Mar 11th, 2008 03:25:25 PM
And I can't be too down on anyone for loving a character and wanting to see them done right. That's the sort of inevitable pitfall I was talking about above. It's like Burton's "Chocolate Factory" movie ... it's not a story that gets churned out again and again and again in a normal movie cycle. So when it comes out, fans of the book want it done "RIGHT"! That's unavoidable, so I get why the film gets people worked up. But I'm also saying that it's hard to nail down what's "core" to the character that has such a long history. The guy started as a Depression-Era "man of the people" who busted corrupt politicians and mob bosses. ... THAT would be a pretty cool film to see, done all period and whatever. Sadly, you'll probably never see that film. I also think it's cool to see the character face some new issues, though, and fathering a child is a new issue. (Frankly, I think a lot of the "fans" here maybe need to grow up. Get over the "super-spunk" jokes and realize that, yeah, adults have sex and get pregnant. Geez.) I didn't think the film was "joyless" at all! The scene of young Clark running through the fields was pure magic, and seeing him "fly" first by jumping long distances was a great nod to the history of the character's powers. And Jimmy Olsen was perfect. Spot-on perfect. And I love Clark's little ticks around Richard. Again, a perfect, subtle way to play Clark. And Lex ... come on. Joyless!?! Parker Posey is many things, but she's never, ever "joyless." That's just a difference of opinion between us. (Like that guy who thought the opening sequence was boring, or whatever, when it made my bones shake when I saw it on screen for the first time. You just CAN'T beat that "swoosh" effect, especially when coupled with that pitch-perfect opening theme song.)
LaserPants by The Gospel According to Bastardface	Mar 11th, 2008 03:25:54 PM
"[T]he Donnerverse blows ..." You are mad. Completely bat shit crazy. The original movie is a classic and has been a template for every comic book movie since.
Oh, joy. The Transformers guy. by Larry of Arabia	Mar 11th, 2008 03:26:49 PM
Look, Transformers was ok for what it was: big robots hitting each other. Although in retrospect it needed more of the big robots hitting each other. We want a little more from Superman.
Transformers has potential by bonecrushersmith	Mar 11th, 2008 03:27:35 PM
check the fanedited version of it a fanedit.org. A lot of the crap has been cut, instantly making it a better film.
Superman was secretly raised and trained at Area 51 by Darth_Inedible	Mar 11th, 2008 03:30:16 PM
Can't you just imagine the inaworld teaser? with Supes working out deep in the bowls of a gubmint facility hooked up to sensors and stuff. Oh man I can't wait!
And (now I have got started)... by MonkeyManReturns	Mar 11th, 2008 03:35:09 PM
Don't do the easy thing and make the Death of Superman...too soon...you need to make us care about him again - and quite frankly, Singer killed that for us. I've always thought that Superman as a character now, from the mid 80s onwards, has been boring. People aren't keen on him because he isn't interesting anymore. People don't buy the Oh I have glasses I am now kent, oh I have no glasses I am now Superman thing. That's why Lois and Clark worked - it was about Lois and Clark NOT Superman. That's also why Smallville has been so successful - its about Clark and others, not Superman. But, the movie SHOULD be about Superman. And it should be a COMIC book movie. Not some dark re-telling. Not some clever gimmicky thing. It should be a comic book on film. That's what the world wants to see. Superman reminds people - not the geeks - but real people (woooo) of their childhood...and that's what people want to see on the big screen: the Superman of their childhood. You can be clever with it. You can be inventive. But don't be a smart-arse cos' that's what Singer did and he blew it! Grrrrr...I now rest.
The horrible DC direct to DVD cartoons by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 03:36:26 PM
do far more damage to superheroes than live action films do.
Re: Boborci by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 03:37:54 PM
I don't understand why you namedropped me in response to a trolling thread I created about a horror director's fictional phobia of oval-headed cutlery... More importantly, it's distracted me from a film I'm writing called "Orci and Kurtzman Try and Find Their Asses with a Map and a Compass". It's a three-hour epic with a very open ending. And I'm not just thinking of sequels here, it's just that the material demands an ambiguous finale.
THE RETURN OF THE BASTARD CHILD! by Live.	Mar 11th, 2008 03:40:24 PM
Yipee! That's gonna pack in the family audiences. Oh wait. It won't. Box office death here we come!
Bob Orci ROCKS!!! by ccchhhrrriiisssm	Mar 11th, 2008 03:41:32 PM
Love your work, bro!
From bad to worse. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 03:42:46 PM
God, why isn't their any decent writers to choose from anymore. Singer, replace Bosworth with Hathaway, and I'll give you a free pass, no matter how much M.O.S. might suck.
Singer Speaks!!! by rohitiyer	Mar 11th, 2008 03:43:50 PM
http://www.empireonline.com/ne ws/story.asp?NID=22165 "Empire Online reports that they spoke with Bryan Singer on his involvement with a Superman Returns sequel. 'The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film,' he says. 'I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels...Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror! All those teenage girls who found the movie and mooned over James Marsden or Brandon? Well, I’m going to wake them up!' He may be joking about the unrelenting terror."
Smallville is more O.C. than Superman by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 03:44:57 PM
It's been stagnating in shit for nearly four years.
LET'S PLAY 6 DEGREES OF BOB ORCI ... WITH LIAM NEESON by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 03:45:51 PM
Okay I start. Liam Neeson Alexander Said (Kingdom of Heaven) George Clooney (Syriana) Don Cheadle (Ocean's 11 to 13) Ben Affleck (I'm Fucking Ben Affleck video) Jennifer Garner (Husband) Roberto Orci! (Alias)
Paragraphs!!! by rohitiyer	Mar 11th, 2008 03:46:36 PM
Damn it! Damn it to hell!
OOPS MY BAD! I MEANT ALEXANDER SIDDIG by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 03:48:48 PM
Doesn't affect the results though. Alexander Siddig should be in the next Superman movie. He needs a good role.
Hey, I have a suggestion... by BizarroJerry	Mar 11th, 2008 03:49:28 PM
how about making a movie written by ONE person? Writing teams concern me. And I say that knowing full well talkbackers will respond with great screenwriting teams...
Singer speaks SHIT! by MonkeyManReturns	Mar 11th, 2008 03:49:49 PM
He sounds like a man back-pedalling to me...."I always wanted the first to be a romance movie, that was always the plan..." Suck eggs and admit you fucked up, Singer.
Wow.... by Tourist	Mar 11th, 2008 03:49:52 PM
...Good move. The first film was a pile of shit, so lets revamp it by bringing back the guy who led the ship over the edge in the first place, but also bring in two of the worst writers in Hollywood to help him out. Seriously, call me a hater all you want, but this just spells doom and gloom.
Kurtzman & Orci are hacks! by odysseus	Mar 11th, 2008 03:51:00 PM
The Akiva Goldsmans of the 00s!
Singer's Superman was a putrid piece of garbage by Live.	Mar 11th, 2008 03:51:50 PM
And it's sequel will be just a terrible. It was an ugly, drab looking film. The suit was muddy colored. The acting was stiff. The bastard kid was offensive and retarded. The rip off of Spiderman with Lois dating the editor's hero son, was desperate. The depressed, permanently morose Superman was the most out-of-character that he has ever been portrayed. The buffoon comical Lex was a tremendous waste and betrayal of the character. The list of Singer's fuckups on this property is truly endless.
Wow you people calm down by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 03:53:11 PM
I bet a lot of you have tourette's syndrome right?
Dwayne Johnson for Superman. Modernize. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 03:55:28 PM
I know Warner Bros. doesn't have the balls to try something like that, but dammit not only is DJ perfect for the role characterwise, but a Superman of color...or Superboy of color pesents so many oppurtunities for a backstory, that keeps in the spirit of kryptolore, but puts a believable spin on why he would be so easily tempted to use his powers the wrong way. I should really write this shit, and put it up somewhere just prove the naysayers, people so afraid of change, or people that are flatout racist, that an ethnic Superman could work, and would move this kinda stale property into the twenty first century.
BOB ORCI ... AKIRA KUROSAWA ... 2 DEGREES OF SEPARATION?!?!?! by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 03:55:41 PM
See for yourself! Akira Kurosawa Rebecca DeMornay (Runaway Train) Tom Cruise (Boyfriend/Girlfriend) Roberto Orci (MI:3) * OR * Jon Voight (Runaway Train) Tom Cruise (Mission Impossible) Roberto Orci (MI:3) ZOMG!
I love the character of Superman more than anyone... by Cletus Van Damme	Mar 11th, 2008 03:56:44 PM
...but nix the romance, find a way to 86 the brat and let the most powerful and recognized figure in comic book history kick a little ass!
WHERE'S TOMBODET? by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 03:57:45 PM
Cuz Superman really does need a big fucking robot to spice shit up.
I think............ by RoarsLoudly	Mar 11th, 2008 03:58:07 PM
Getting a larger than life villian like Darkseid or Doomsday is what the series really needs. It is time for Superman to have a worthy opponent that will remind audiences as to why he is referred to as The Man of Steel! Of course pulling it off sucessfully will fall in the hand of the writers and the effects artists!
"I Always Wanted The First Movie To Suck..." by LaserPants	Mar 11th, 2008 03:58:34 PM
"I always wanted the first movie to suck so I could wallow in self-pity and, ergo, have an excuse to engage in more coke binges whilst plowing malaysian boy prostitutes. I have a problem, and I had a bit of a queeny star-fit after X2, which turned out so good that I thought I was infallible. Turns out, I was wrong, and I may have ruined one of the most iconic heroes of modern times. Sorry! My bad! Now, time for more coke and self-pity!" Thats what Singer meant to say.
"It's been stagnating in shit for nearly four years." by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 03:58:35 PM
And how many has it been for Star Wars? Nine?
Dwayne Johnson as Superman?!?! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 03:59:00 PM
IF YOU SMELL WHAT SUPERMAN IS COOKIN'!!! Then he can drop the People's Super-Elbow...
Skywalkerfamily... by MonkeyManReturns	Mar 11th, 2008 03:59:13 PM
Tourettes? We don't have you motherfuckercocksucker tourettes...why would you think bastardsonofwhoresingerfuckeds upermanroyally that we had tourettes...awfully presumptuous of suckacockandstickitinyouarseyo ufucker you to think we have touretts and not too mention, rude of you as well.
SUPERMAN REBOOTS! by LaserPants	Mar 11th, 2008 04:00:16 PM
Written by Geoff Johns, directed by Alfonso Cuaron. DREAM PROJECT!
OUCHES, LASERPANTS by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 04:00:16 PM
Ouches!
COCKLICKDICKCUM by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 04:01:19 PM
POLISH PRINCE OF PENIS!!!
I am so worked up... by MonkeyManReturns	Mar 11th, 2008 04:02:12 PM
...my spelling and grammar is screwed as well. Just like how Superman is screwed if Singer gets hold of it. :)
I don't have a problem with "adult sex"... by Zardoz	Mar 11th, 2008 04:02:35 PM
I have a problem with the viability of "Alien/Human" sex. (how exactly does an alien sperm impregnate a human woman again? Even the comics, as far as I know, never had a story where Superman impregnated Lois. It's preposterous. The exception: "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow", but even that was a powerless, post-Gold K Supes.) And the fact that a super-child is going to rip the hell out of said human female's uterus and kill her! Alien birth, indeed!
People hate Singer cause he finally wised by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 04:03:30 PM
up and realized the X Men was crap.
My idea (for what it's worth...) by sinisterminister	Mar 11th, 2008 04:04:28 PM
...which is probably nothing. After watching Superman the Movie, Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut, and Superman Returns as a trilogy, I noticed that certain themes (like fathers and sons, impossible love, etc.) really stand out in all three movies. That being said, I was sick of "lifting things" and land schemes, and decided to write a four page treatment for the next movie, which I called "Superman: The Last Son of Krypton" Long story short, the main villains are Brainiac and the evil Kryptonians. While visiting a county fair with Lana (trying to forget Lois), Clark meets "The Amazing Brainiac", a circus mentalist named Milton Fine, who has been infected by a Coluan computer virus that piggy backed on Clark's ship when it flew back to Krypton. Brainiac reads Clark's mind, and then plots to destroy him. He finds Luthor and reboots his life (the faked death/son angle) as a powerful business man. Brainiac manipulates Lex so his robots can take over the world. Brainiac ultimately corners Superman in the Fortress of Solitude and sends him to the Phantom Zone. There he discovers the lost city of Kandor, its queen Lori Lemris (I made her a Kryptonian) and his cousin, Kara Zor-El. Superman falls in love with Lori. But he also encounters Zod, Ursa, and Non, who were sent there in the aftermath of Superman II. They have regained their powers and attack Kandor. Lori insists on assassinating them with Kryptonite they have found. Superman is reluctant, but when Lori is killed, the distraught Superman kills them in cold blood. The battle creates a vortex which sucks Superman and Kara back to Earth. Superman rescues Lex from Brainiac and ends his plan for world domination, but Brainiac escapes to plague Superman another day. I then planned 4 more movies incorporating the death and return of Superman, Darkseid, and the formation of the Justice League. I know this is superfanboyish and probably unfilmable, but I wanted some feedback. At least we aren't rehashing the Kryptonite continent or fighting polar bears with gay robots. Flame away...
Fox fucked 2 franchises by Firing Singer from X3 by Zardoz	Mar 11th, 2008 04:04:44 PM
SR and X3 were both fucked because of the switcheroo. Singer should have stayed on X3, and Ratner should have done SR...
ZOD please by samurai sark	Mar 11th, 2008 04:04:47 PM
supermansequel.blogspot.com
I swear to god it's a joke account. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:06:55 PM
IT HAS TO BE.
By the way..... by RoarsLoudly	Mar 11th, 2008 04:07:32 PM
Also get ride of that actress who played Lois Lane. She was COMPLETELY wrong for the part. also diminish that characters involement in the plot. I think we all have had enough of Lois Lane.
Robert Zemeckis by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 04:08:02 PM
should handle a Superman sequel.
Great by Halloween68	Mar 11th, 2008 04:08:54 PM
That's all we need. The brilliant mind behind TRANSFORMERS to pen this one. Are you kidding me? Who's making the decisions over there? Pimpo the chimp? Did anyone read the script to TRANSFORMERS? We're talking a Michael Bay film here. There's no need for any amount of intelligence. Just things that go boom. The script wasn't the problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS. It was the casting (outside of Luthor); way too young. And, well, okay, there were a few plot holes. But overall the script was fine for what it was.
Piano Kid Strikes back by Pipple	Mar 11th, 2008 04:10:10 PM

Jesus Christ, NO ZOD. Can we please have a NEW supervillian for by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:10:52 PM
Move forward and quit trying to recapture the past.
Suerman Returns wasn't terrible but by Yeti	Mar 11th, 2008 04:11:09 PM
it wasn't nearly as good as could have been. Memo to whomever makes the next film: Stop rehasing the overrated Donner films, Should Lex be in the next one? Yes! Should he be the "big bad"? No! Bring in Toyman, Darkseid, or Doomsday (speaking of I just saw the cartoon movie and it was everything Spring's film was not so use it as a template - or better still bring in Timm/Dini)and avoid Zod.
once. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:11:17 PM

Another lukewarm SR post. by isispop	Mar 11th, 2008 04:13:16 PM
Yeah, I don't know what I can say about Supes Returns that hasn't been said before & would end up lookin like a bunch of stuff cut & pasted from a bunch of different talkbacks...but heck, here I go anyway... SR had a mix of stuff that really worked for me, and stuff that really didn't. So basically when i walked outta the theater seein it all together for the first time, I thought it was OK. Not mind blowin, not terrible...just OK. I did buy it on dvd though, but it's not one I could pop in the player & watch every day. I'd also lay $ down that it would've beaten the crap outta the Nick Cage/Burton version we almost got, so I guess I should be thankful for that too. I had a big problem with the Super stalker scene...which some liked cause they argue that it humanized the character instead of makin him a god-like figure. I can see that side, but still think that was really outta character for Supes. I mean, if I had those powers (and I'm bein honest here) I don't think that I would spy on an ex...even to make sure she was OK or whatever the reason you'd want to argue. I also had a feeling when Lex was revealing his plan to Lois like, "Haven't I seen this somewhere before?". It lifted key plot points from Donner's Supes the Movie, so there go the marks for originality. As for the kid. I'm still on the fence about that one, and I guess it's time that I came down & chose a side. I'm all for bold moves w/characters & exploring new territory w/em, but I think you might be painting yourself in a corner w/that one. Remains to be seen though. All that bein said...I'm also an artist that attends/sets up @ the Superman Celebration every June in Metropolis, IL. If you love Supes you oughta join us. This is the 30th anniv of the SC besides it bein Supes 70th birthday. Ned Beatty's also gonna be a guest this year. It's great fun w/the biggest Superman fans in the world in attendance.
skywalkerfamily, you get on my nerves to no end... by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:14:19 PM
...then you always go and say something genius. Robert Zemeckis would be a FANTASTIC choice to helm a Superflick. (As long as it's live action.)
skywalkerfamily, you get on my nerves to no end by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 04:16:15 PM

Halloween68 by The Wolf at the Door	Mar 11th, 2008 04:18:31 PM
"Who's making the decisions over there!?!" Oh, let's just imagine what might have happened in some Hollywood board room. SUIT #1: "Guys, guys, Superman Returns was a total flop. It didn't break ANY box office records. Not one. It bombed. $400 million? Please. What do we do to save this utter fiasco?" SUIT #2: "The kids like ACTION. The internets say it all the time. Action, action, action. They thought this movie was boring. Superman needs to punch more, lift less." SUIT #1: "Action, huh? Who knows action. ... Bay! Bay knows action. Who worked on that last film of his. The one with the talking cars." SUIT #3: "What, Knight Rider? That's in development fot TV." SUIT #1: "No, no, no. The movie with the talking cars." SUIT #4: "You mean Cars?" SUIT #1: "No, you numbskulls! The live action movie. You're all out of touch with the youth of today. That's the problem with this studio." [SUIT #1 beeps his secretary.] SUIT #1: "Ms. Haversham, get me the guy who wrote the script for that Go-Bots movie. WE NEED ACTION!" Ta-da! The Talkbackers win again!
There Will Be Crimmmmmmmmmmmson Capes by William Landis	Mar 11th, 2008 04:19:09 PM
Daniel Day-Lewis as Superman: "I've abandoned my Super-Boy! I've abandoned my Super-Boy! I've abandoned my super child!" Paul Dano as Jimmy Olsen: "You have abandoned your super child!" PTA to direct. Box Office Gold. Or should that be box office LIQUID gold (i.e. oil). Wasted, I tells ya...
WE WANT SUPERDOG!!! by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 04:21:06 PM
Make it so, Bobs!
Forget It... by CloseLight	Mar 11th, 2008 04:21:53 PM
Its a waste of time doing most super hero movies in real life, keep it in Anime / Cartoon. I finally got to see Justice League: New Frontier and it kick the snot out of the last Spiderman, Superman, and Xmen movies. Given that most of the comic book adaptations involve a bunch of B-list actors and crappy CGI (Fantastic 4 anyone?) its not worth the time seeing it. Studios will not risk the amount of money needed for a superhero movie without getting their hands all over it. They have to in their minds broaden its appeal (dumb down) to get their money back. We've had a few good (Batman Begins, 2nd Spiderman) and a lot of crap (sorry Xmen didn't do it for me). NF had more heart than a ton of real life actors. So what if its a cartoon? I say give Bruce Timm 5% the budget of the next Superman movie and let him turn out direct to DVD shows for the next decade.
Daniel Day Lewis for ZOD by samurai sark	Mar 11th, 2008 04:22:31 PM
C;mon, the guy swore an oath against Jor-El's bloodline. He got left for dead by Kal-El. That's gotta make a compelling plot, especially now that the bloodline is still growing. supermansequel.blogspot.com
Michael Bay Officially Comments!!! by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 04:22:50 PM
AWESOME Orci. AWESOME Superman. BOOM!!!
Zemeckis understands characters and CG by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 04:23:37 PM
Would be perfect for the sequel. Plus, he perfected flying effects from his Back to the Future days.
I wish Smallville would've got John Lithgow for ZOD. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:24:43 PM
Can't you just imagine him saying "KNEEL!"? It would've been gold I tell ya.
At least BRANDON ROUTH will be a MAN when this comes out. by Demode	Mar 11th, 2008 04:25:39 PM
Onthe plus side, he will be older than he was in the first film. And if Kate is in the new movie, please have her be single. Unless Superman hooks up with Wonder Woman (or Chloe...lol...), having him single just isn't right.
Welling was a MAN years ago. by Shermdawg	Mar 11th, 2008 04:27:30 PM

Daniel Day Lewis as ZOD by samurai sark	Mar 11th, 2008 04:30:41 PM
Kneel before my milkshake!
General ZOD is the greatest Superman villian of all time by Demode	Mar 11th, 2008 04:32:46 PM
I really feel that putting ZOD in a sequel to Superman would be a good thing. Maybe not the first sequel... have that be Brainiac searching for Zod or something, and then have ZOD return for the 3rd movie. He really is the best villian by far, in any Superman medium.
KATE BOSWORTH NEEDS TO BE SENT INTO THE PHANTOM ZONE by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 04:33:44 PM
I've never seen such a lackluster and unmotivated performance ever. EVER!!!
It will be Zod/Doomsday/Lex Vs. Superman by claudiomonster	Mar 11th, 2008 04:34:40 PM
It only makes sense. Zod will pull in the crowd that wants a rehash, doomsday is for the people looking for something new. I can see them using Zod to tame doomsday to destroy superman, only to backfire on both zod and superman. just an idea.

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