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Should be a good film by jimmy rabbitte	Mar 10th, 2008 10:51:43 AM
too bad about Ledger...
four kids...holy crap! by just pillow talk	Mar 10th, 2008 10:59:04 AM
I have my hands full with one...geez. I really can't wait for this movie, and again, tis a shame what happened to Heath.
Peterson is a better director than Nolan and by Proman1984	Mar 10th, 2008 11:01:34 AM
Batman Begins sucked. Still I think he learned a thing or two from it. By the way, Troy was pretty great.
New! Better! by Emperor_was_a_jerk	Mar 10th, 2008 11:02:30 AM
I like how even in a series that was made to re-vamp Batman, they are revamping parts of the the revamp! Gotham was new in BB, now its new again! I hope this one is not a snooz-fest like Batman Begins and Batman actually does something in the new one, and Luscious Fox is not the hero again.
Can't Wait by Synoptic23	Mar 10th, 2008 11:02:36 AM
The Dark Knight will dominate theaters in July.
Good luck to all involved... by WavingFlagsInSpace	Mar 10th, 2008 11:03:06 AM
This is going to be a huge experience for everyone...Ledger's death is bound to dominate, let's hope other factors deflect much of the sadness. This is going to be such an 'event'!
Will they celebrate? Somber? by Baron Karza	Mar 10th, 2008 11:03:37 AM
This movie has a weird tone over it now, I wonder how the crew will react when it releases?
Terrific read, and indeed a new pic by SpencerTrilby	Mar 10th, 2008 11:03:41 AM
of Bats and the Joker in the interrogation room. Cannot wait to see that flick. I'm even more pumped for TDK than for Indy IV.
Should have been posted yesterday morning. by CarmillaVonDoom	Mar 10th, 2008 11:11:34 AM
I've NEVER bitched about this before, but wow is this story late. Don't you guys read the Times?? :^(
"By the way, Troy was pretty great." by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 10th, 2008 11:12:31 AM
Proman1984 - if you had any credibility, you just lost it.
Sounds Great !!! by MrDagon	Mar 10th, 2008 11:16:27 AM
So far everything else has changed, why not Gothom City? Looking forward to this one !!!
Batman+Heat by pipergates	Mar 10th, 2008 11:18:02 AM
sure glad he didnt waste his talents on that mess Troy
This and IronMan and Indy! by FILMFUNK	Mar 10th, 2008 11:18:07 AM
Coooool!
say what Proman? by just pillow talk	Mar 10th, 2008 11:24:49 AM
Batman Begins sucked and Troy was great???? I can't agree with you on either of those.
Where the dying go to die by SlyAndTheFamilyStallone	Mar 10th, 2008 11:27:38 AM
Andy Samberg should play Nightwing in the next one.
DAMN IT by dancinggopher01	Mar 10th, 2008 11:29:44 AM
This movie needs to come out now. Seriously what the fuck?
Well... by DonnieDorko	Mar 10th, 2008 11:32:44 AM
Can't say that it sounds great.. but I trust Nolan.. Hopefully this will be good for my fakemoney at hsx, just lost a fortune on "#%"#% BMAN2 damnit.
"Luscious Fox"... by 11dayempire	Mar 10th, 2008 11:37:08 AM
...sounds like a Roger Moore-era Bond girl...
Isn't there a new trailer infront of 10,000 BC? by dirtsandwich	Mar 10th, 2008 11:41:14 AM

Isn't there a new trailer infront of 10,000 BC? by dirtsandwich	Mar 10th, 2008 11:41:23 AM

The Dark Knight Rocks by superduper3000	Mar 10th, 2008 11:42:42 AM
Loved Batman Begins, can't wait for The Dark Knight. It sucks balls that Ledger passed, but if Joker is his swan song let's all hope for the best damn song ever. Bone Movie! http://tinyurl.com/ytojvf
"By the way, Troy was pretty great." by Ashok0	Mar 10th, 2008 11:44:37 AM
Wow. Nice way to lose all credibility. There Will Be Blood sucked. Still I think he [Paul T. Anderson] learned a thing or two from it. By the way, I Know Who Killed Me was pretty great.
"By the way, Troy was pretty great." by JayWells87	Mar 10th, 2008 11:50:09 AM
And now, no one will ever take you seriously again.....
Fuck! by Billy Batts	Mar 10th, 2008 11:51:04 AM
I keep thinking this movie comes out in May. I doubt I'll make it till July. Hopefully Indy will tied me over...
"By the way, Troy was pretty great" by RighteousBrother	Mar 10th, 2008 11:57:48 AM
I sense a new catchphrase. and by the way, Troy sucked.
sense of responsibility by Silverglade	Mar 10th, 2008 12:02:03 PM
Mr. Nolan, for his part, said he felt a “massive sense of responsibility” to do right by Mr. Ledger’s “terrifying, amazing” performance. “It’s stunning, it’s iconic,” he said. “It’s going to just blow people away.” Thank you, Mr. Nolan, good sir. Anticipation is high.
2008 = AMAZING by Ashok0	Mar 10th, 2008 12:08:16 PM
March = LOST April = BSG May = LOST, X-Files 2, Indy IV June = ? July = The Dark Knight Fall = Benjamin Button, Dexter
Hmmm by Halloween68	Mar 10th, 2008 12:16:10 PM
I'm not sure if this is good or bad. Correct me if I'm wrong. Isn't this film called the DARK KNIGHT? Emphasis on the "DARK". Who wants to see BATMAN running around in the daylight? I thought the atomosphere was spot on for the last. How's he supposed to frighten the bad guys? What's he supposed to hang out in the shadows of the nearest birch tree. Somehow I think the whole idea of manbat would be laughable if you saw him in the daytime.
The Director’s Cut of Troy is Excellent by TheLastCleric	Mar 10th, 2008 12:22:00 PM
I’ll never get the hate for this film aside from the fact that Brad Pitt seems to illicit considerable animosity from a certain segment of the population, despite absolutely nailing the role of Achilles with a combination of physicality, arrogance and a smudge of vulnerability. That said, I loved the theatrical cut of Troy but found the recent Director’s Cut to be an epiphany and possibly Wolfgang Peterson’s best film. The movie is darker, at times nastier, and the gore is both appropriate and copious. The level of violence was notched down considerably in the theatrical version, a shame given Peterson’s insistence that the brutality of war be illustrated with unflinching depictions of real violence. Luckily, everything was restored and his ultimate vision preserved but tragically, most people will probably never get around to seeing this modern masterpiece. With an additional 40 minutes added to the running time I was concerned that the film would seem bloated but in fact, as was the case of Kingdom of Heaven, the extended cut actually flows better and gives the viewer a much deeper insight into the characters. Another bonus includes more time for Sean Bean’s Odysseus, who gets an amusing introduction that rings very true to the character. As much as I love and respect Nolan’s work, Peterson did a grand job with TROY.
TDK looks great; the problem with Troy. by Orbots Commander	Mar 10th, 2008 12:24:36 PM
Troy suffered from the same problems as Peter Jackson's King Kong: overindulgence and an unfocused storyline that was all over the damn place. I bet that a skilled editor could have wittled down Troy's 3-hour run time into a pretty good, tightly focused 90 minute sword and sandal actioner. Just start the movie with the siege of Troy and include the Achiles and Hector conflict. Everything else is ripe for the cutting room floor including virtually all of Orlando Bloom's scenes.
“If David Lean could carry a 65-millimeter camera through the de by Sakurai	Mar 10th, 2008 12:31:13 PM
Great article... It seems so close yet so far away from now. Its killing me to wait for this one.
Does Batman 'make' the very villains he fights? by Reel American Hero	Mar 10th, 2008 12:34:23 PM
It's an interesting concept from the comics, that I'm glad to see a filmmaker touch on. I recall an issue of one of the Batman titles, as well as an episode of the (good) animated series in which Batman is put on trial by his enemies, with Two Face as his defendant I want to say, which argued that very point of, if there was no Batman would these villains have been villains in the first place. I hope this is a theme (not neccessarily the scenario of the trial) but a theme that's actually explored in the movie, and not just something Nolan is just talking about.
Still not sure... by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 12:42:11 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing The Dark Knight, I suppose, but the tone established in Batman Begins (let's take this story about a man fighting crime dressed in a rubber bat costume really seriously) still doesn't sit right with me. Don't get me wrong, I've been a Batman fan since I was a kid, but you have to admit it's sort of silly, and the super-serious approach doesn't really work for me. Also, designwise, Nolan just seems so drab and unambitious, and the Batman costume looks terrible. Still, I've loved what I've seen of Ledger's take on The Joker, so that's what is probably going to ensure I slap down my six quid when the film comes out.
You have to admit in troy you could see the fighting by Pipple	Mar 10th, 2008 12:44:59 PM
Pitt wouldn't have made a bad batman either. He had the dark tragic hero thing down perfectly. Step it up Nolan, a few people died for this movie.
Proman1984 by kwisatzhaderach	Mar 10th, 2008 12:46:31 PM
Thanks for the laughs.
Ashok0, by raw_bean	Mar 10th, 2008 12:50:10 PM
add Iron Man and Wall-E to the list and you've just highlighted why 2008 is rocking me so hard. :^) TheLastCleric, the real question about the Troy Director's Cut is do we see some good Diane Kruger nudity?
David Lean carrying a camera by mattb68	Mar 10th, 2008 12:50:17 PM
that dude could carry everything with those Dumbo ears he had. You ever see those things.... "when I see an elephant fly...."
Blarg... by milla jovovich	Mar 10th, 2008 12:52:07 PM
Yeah, Batman Begins was woot! awesome!, Dark Knight "looks to be awesome!" and the Matrix sequels sucked and Speed Racer looks like a video game. And you bring up credibility like ANY of us have ANY. Riiiiiiiiight.
Petersen wants to remake BULLITT, fuck that guy by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Mar 10th, 2008 12:56:23 PM
Better than Nolan my ass.
Node by just pillow talk	Mar 10th, 2008 12:56:48 PM
I have to disagree with you on director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven. I think in that case the additions added so much to the story, that I much preferred that cut to the original. I can't speak to Troy's director's cut, but I didn't like the original enough to give it a shot.
The acting and dialog killed Troy by Gwai Lo	Mar 10th, 2008 12:57:35 PM
It's obviously not Homer's fault. It just wasn't a very good adaptation. Two cool scenes, Achilles slaying the big huge dude at the beginning (now that guy shoulda been Juggernaut), and the Hector and Achilles fight. As for the story, it's a pretty limp version of the classic. Maybe it's because he's German, but Wolfgang Peterson doesn't really seem to have an ear for how dialog should sound. The actors look bored, and Orlando Bloom turns in one of the most annoying performances in film history. Yeah, you're supposed to hate the character, but he doesn't have to be so irritating to watch. Brad Pitt was good casting in theory but he's not in the highest echelon of actors that could have made some of that dialog work. Brian Cox and Brendan Gleeson, old reliables, good in their roles as usual, but what a boring bloated mess to put them in. Peterson has been on a shit streak for a while now, and even some of his stronger efforts (aside from Das Boot) feel superficial and glossy. To suggest Peterson is on Nolan's level these days is a bit silly. Come on now. Poseidon? I hope he never gets around to making Ender's Game or Batman vs. Superman. Put Spielberg or someone who understands story on Ender's Game. And kybosh Batman vs. Superman and the Justice League movie while you're at it, and let Batman Begins and the Dark Knight be how it's done..
Yeah, Spielberg's gonna direct Ender's Game... by milla jovovich	Mar 10th, 2008 12:59:31 PM
you're high, Gwai Lo.
Wikipedia says yes, woohoo! by raw_bean	Mar 10th, 2008 12:59:40 PM
NT
I love the shit out of Batman Begins, but by Gwai Lo	Mar 10th, 2008 01:09:26 PM
there are a couple things that kind of bugged me. A) you know all those engineers that designed the tumbler? wouldn't they kind of put two and two together when they saw the batmobile ripping around the city? it's just spraypainted black, the car was a prototype so there's only one... hmmmmmmm... also.. I can't recall the exact specifics but isn't Batman partially responsible for letting the inmates out of Arkham at the end? Doesn't he blow up a wall and walk past a couple of guys, thus allowing them a big hole in the wall to escape from? Memory is a bit foggy on that, but oh well. Strangely I did not mind the far-fetched toxin in the water plot, or the roof driving because without stuff like that it just wouldn't be a Batman movie. It made for some legendary scenes so why complain? Batman Begins detractors often bring up the argument that "Nolan is trying to make it realistic so anything even slightly unrealistic makes this movie suck", and to that I say get over yourself. Put every on-screen Batman (including Adam West in his spandex) in a Royal Rumble with access to their Batmobile and place your bets on who you think is going to kick ass and take names. It's the guy in the urban tank and the super high tech navy seal suit, obviously.
Gwai Lo it's called confidentiallity agreements, it's for adults by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Mar 10th, 2008 01:18:36 PM

It's Adam West all the way, Gwai Lo by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 01:18:59 PM
Christian Bale couldn't go two rounds in that portable rubber sweat lodge! West's spandex breathes, mate! It breathes!
Director's Cut of TROY is actually good, not KINGDOM OF HEAVEN G by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Mar 10th, 2008 01:19:32 PM

Troy better than Batman Begins??? by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:25:47 PM
Yeah right.. Begins is not only the best comic book movie of all time, its one of the best movies to come out in recent years... My two favorite movie of all time are Batman Begins and Heat... I'm sure the dark knight will round out my top three...
I don't see how this is going to be good by Sithdan	Mar 10th, 2008 01:25:48 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again, the Joker looks TERRIBLE. His skin is supposed to be bleached, not painted on.
Troy better than Batman Begins??? by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:25:50 PM
Yeah right.. Begins is not only the best comic book movie of all time, its one of the best movies to come out in recent years... My two favorite movie of all time are Batman Begins and Heat... I'm sure the dark knight will round out my top three...
Troy better than Batman Begins??? by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:25:54 PM
Yeah right.. Begins is not only the best comic book movie of all time, its one of the best movies to come out in recent years... My two favorite movie of all time are Batman Begins and Heat... I'm sure the dark knight will round out my top three...
Batman Begins... by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:28:39 PM
was flawless in my opinion... I would not change anything.. I completely trust chris nolan. The dark knight will be the best movie of the year! You heard it here first!! Well.. maybe not first, but mark my words..
Sithdan by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Mar 10th, 2008 01:32:08 PM
The Joker isn't supposed to look like anything other that what the guy adapting the story makes him look like, you big gay comic fan. There's no fucking rule book. Go back to jerking off to guys in spandex shooting their heat vision at space aliens in the Justice league movie, faggot.
Does it matter that much, Sithdan? by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 01:32:40 PM
Begins already tinkered with the Batman we know from the comics, so it's no surprise they're playing around with The Joker. At least it's not an ageing, portly Jack Nicholson this time, right?
Armando, Katie Holmes is in Begins, that sucks by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Mar 10th, 2008 01:33:10 PM

Joker redux by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 01:34:15 PM
Also, we all know that what really makes him The Joker is the face-paint covering his mustache! KERPOW!
Sihdan, well said.. by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:34:59 PM
How can anyone complain about Heath's Joker?? This guy looks fucking amazing.. Even better, his performace it said to be amazing.. And yes, better than jack's by all account so far.. Is it July yet guys?
problems with batman begins... by captain_kirk	Mar 10th, 2008 01:35:03 PM
#1---KATIE HOLMES. Maggie Gyllenhal will ROCK!. Kate Holmes looked, without a mask, like what the scarecrow did WITH a mask--lazy beady eye sockets. Sorry, but she was ugly with no personality or chemistry. The only weak point in an otherwise stellar movie. I'm interested in seeing the set redesign for the Dark Knight, however. After all, most exteriors were still shot in Chicago. Batman Begins, like Burton's original, both had the balls to have a few daylight scenes--so I'm curious to see what kind of re-design will be done. I'm also curious to see how they're rebuilding Wayne Manor, as well as handling the secret-entrance & batpole issues. As for the original batmobile---you'd think that Lt. Gordon might have noticed something like a "Wayne Enterprises" logo on the dash, seats or whatever. I'd think the inner parts would be traceable if not substantially modified. That being said, if engineers (other than Edward Nigma) recognized the batmobile as their work, heck, they're nerdy engineers--the most reliable of the bunch. No problem!
Gwai Lo by Guy Who Got A Headache And Accidentally Saves The World	Mar 10th, 2008 01:37:45 PM
"Holy shit, Batman stole our Tumbler, does Bruce Wayne know about this!?" Like that one part in Spiderman 2, I always thought that was hilarious as hell. I'm more upset about Batman being on tv and in newspapers. He's supposed to be an urban legend, but I guess that isn't very realistic in this day and age, but then again it's not really realistic for Batman to survive long as a celebrity either, oh well.
Ive heard.... by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:38:57 PM
that wayne manor wont be in this movie because its still being rebuilt.. Bruce lives in a sleek penthouse in downtown chicago... I mean Gotham..
The tumbler by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:40:32 PM
was probably built by Lucious Fox...
I hope Batman fights a shark in this one by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 01:41:03 PM
Maybe that's what's missing from Nolan and Goyer's vision of Batman: fighting sharks. Also, Bat shark repellant. Clearly, Batman could never be as good at shark fighting as LL Cool J, because LL was not restricted by a heavy rubber costume and, of course, is also hard as hell (battle anybody he don't care who you tell).
I'd prefer mutated sea bass by just pillow talk	Mar 10th, 2008 01:42:22 PM
Plus Batman can't make a mean souffle like LL.
Who watches the Watchmen? by Stereotypical Evil Archer	Mar 10th, 2008 01:43:13 PM

Why Is No One Pointing Out This Gem? by bobinnova	Mar 10th, 2008 01:45:55 PM
In the first paragraph of the article - "A few stories overhead, a stunt double in a familiar black-caped costume swings from a hoist, slamming into a window in a Mies van der Rohe tower that we shall imagine is Gotham City Hall. A noose is around his neck, a knife plunged into his heart." The meaning is clear: Batman, or at least his döppelganger, is dead. Any guesses of what has happened and who the döppelganger is?
AVP 3 is coming out... by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:46:03 PM
I wish I was joking... The phrase "whoever wins we lose" never had so much meaning...
Cpt Kirk by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:47:37 PM
Dont get me wrong Katie Holmes is an ugly broad, no doubt. But that Maggie Gyllenhall......even uglier! Chi-Town will Rock!
bobinova by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:47:46 PM
I think the doubleganger is just some random guy trying to be like batman... The big question is who killed him? Joker, the Mob, twoface?? Thats what I want to know..
Gosh by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:48:36 PM
I am fucking board at work right now...
Cpt Kirk pt.2 by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:49:39 PM
If your last name is Heinrich, please go get yourself traded!
board??? by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:49:58 PM
I mean bored... lol
Aron Eckhart just called by kafka07	Mar 10th, 2008 01:50:07 PM
got a message on my phone from Aron Eckhart as Harvey Dent. I hope the new Dark Knight trailer comes out really soon.
He sent me an email by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:51:16 PM
didnt think he'd really call anyway
Chi-town by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:51:19 PM
would have traded their entire team for Kobe if they were smart... GO Lakers!
I got a call also by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:52:33 PM
It confused me at first... Hello, this is Harvey Dent.. Wow... Brilliant marketing!!
they need to by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:53:17 PM
do a batman viral next...
Armando by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:53:29 PM
Thanks for reminding me 'bout that. just threw up a little.
That is true about the souffle, JPT by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 10th, 2008 01:54:46 PM
Also, we must bear in mind that LL Cool J walks with a panther, whereas Batman just has Robin. P.S. Mutated sea bass - is that an Austin Powers reference?
Im glad kobe is still a laker by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 01:56:37 PM
but I must admit, It would have been cool to see him in that red bulls jersey with #24 on the back... The jordan comparions would have been nuts...
yes, panther > robin by just pillow talk	Mar 10th, 2008 01:57:03 PM
Yes, and they are ill-tempered.
Bleached Skin? Who cares? by TheLastCleric	Mar 10th, 2008 01:57:44 PM
The complaints over the Joker not having bleached skin illustrates just how superficial people can be regarding this character. The fact that the Joker in Nolan’s film has painted skin is incidental. What matters are the performance and the fact that a talented actor channeled some dark energy to play the Joker as never seen before onscreen: deeply unhinged, anarchistic, and completely without empathy. Ledger looks to have captured the nuances of a wildly manic and completely insane clown in a realistic and chilling manner and that means far more to me personally than agonizing over the permanence of his skin color.
What if its a female shark by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:58:24 PM
Theoretically, she would love Cool J. So wouldnt even bother trying to eat him.
But hey we still got............ by santi01	Mar 10th, 2008 01:59:20 PM
Aaron Gray!
I hear you guys by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:00:07 PM
on katie holms sucking... But for some reason she didnt bother me in Begins... Maybe it is because she was not in in very much??? I think Nolan just kept me so interested I didnt mind her. maybe the rest of the cast was just so darn good, I didnt notice..
anyone think... by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:02:20 PM
The new punisher movie will be any good? It comes out in September..
thed ark knight by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:06:29 PM
sounds pretty darn dark.. a guy hanging from a lamp post with a knife in his chest?? Could it be rated R?
I know by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:09:44 PM
it has to be PG-13, but man that would be cool if it was rated R with a little more violence and even darker tones
Katie Holmes by DonnieDorko	Mar 10th, 2008 02:09:47 PM
Is not right for the part anyway.. But Maggie Gyllenhaal? I love her work but she's extremeley bad for this! It's like casting James Gandolfini for Robin, great actor, bad part. And the more I think about it, making Batman "lighter" is like replacing Katie Holmes with Maggie Gyllenhaal!? Why? It would be fun to have Katie Holmes back and Tom Cruise as the Joker, hey, they could use that Oprah-clip.. (Spoiler) And is the ending going to be like the comic it is most reffering to? Joker telling the complete joke he started earlier..? If so, when Batman laughs, can't you please make him laugh up a little snot thrue the mask, it would sure make me puke thrue the nose of laughter, and laughter is never wrong..
Panoramic Gotham? by wowsah156	Mar 10th, 2008 02:10:40 PM
I never saw Gotham has being a wide expressive city. ( Thats Metropolis.) gotham was the city with the nightmares,the shadows, and the filth. But this will be good. I am already thinking about what i want for the thrid Bat movie: Matches Malone, the Bat gas modified from Dr Cranes fear gas, the full Batcave with the lab. The nascar beastmobile ,2Face in full madness,Zsazz becoming the serial killer that the Bat tracks down. And the title for the third : Shadow of the Bat....
Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb. by Reel American Hero	Mar 10th, 2008 02:16:49 PM

wowsah156 by DonnieDorko	Mar 10th, 2008 02:19:08 PM
Naah, that's silly. "Batfart", you can't have that in the movie.
Makeup is better than bleached by performingmonkey	Mar 10th, 2008 02:21:15 PM
It makes him more insane that he chooses to look like that as opposed to falling in acid and SOMEHOW coming out like a green-haired Michael Jackson. Makeup is the best decision they have made. There IS no Joker canon. There IS no God or everlasting life! There IS no Hobbit movie due to the greed and retardation of New Line. There IS no way the new Hulk won't suck, despite containing Norton, explosions and shit. There IS every possibility that I have my throbbing cock in my hand at this very moment, but you'll never know.
Makeup is better than bleached by performingmonkey	Mar 10th, 2008 02:21:16 PM
It makes him more insane that he chooses to look like that as opposed to falling in acid and SOMEHOW coming out like a green-haired Michael Jackson. Makeup is the best decision they have made. There IS no Joker canon. There IS no God or everlasting life! There IS no Hobbit movie due to the greed and retardation of New Line. There IS no way the new Hulk won't suck, despite containing Norton, explosions and shit. There IS every possibility that I have my throbbing cock in my hand at this very moment, but you'll never know.
I hope by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:26:08 PM
they bring in penguin in the third movie as the arms dealer that was previouly reported.. Phillip seymor hoffman or bob hoskins would be perfect for the role..
I hope by armando	Mar 10th, 2008 02:26:13 PM
they bring in penguin in the third movie as the arms dealer that was previouly reported.. Phillip seymor hoffman or bob hoskins would be perfect for the role..
A clean Gotham? by skywalkerfamily	Mar 10th, 2008 02:36:49 PM
What? Is Harvey Dent behind this?
I prefer Nicholson by Sithdan	Mar 10th, 2008 03:06:56 PM
Batman 1989 is my favorite Jack Nicholson role. I don't care how old or "fat" he was for the part. His origin is more effective, and he really just steals every scene. For me, Batman wasn't a Micahel Keaton movie as much as it was a Nicholson film. He was truly the consummate Joker. This new film seems just to go for shock value. Just because a movie is "dark" doesn't mean it's good. It seems every work of art (movies, television shows and books) are rated based on dark content. If it's too light hearted, it's cheezy, but if it's dark, macabre and hopless, it's a freckin masterpiece.
Can't we have both versions? by skywalkerfamily	Mar 10th, 2008 03:22:33 PM
Batman has had about a billion different versions of the Joker.
skywalkerfamily by Reel American Hero	Mar 10th, 2008 03:28:17 PM
I agree, there is no one definitive portrayal of the Joker. I look at different actors versions of characters as variations of the character, not unlike the various interpretations different writers and artists have given the character over the years.
Hells yeah, even Hamill ruled by skywalkerfamily	Mar 10th, 2008 03:34:40 PM
Hamill, Nicholson, Ceaser, Ledger. They all rule.
Is the Dark Knight railer before 10,000 BC online anywhere? by dirtsandwich	Mar 10th, 2008 03:49:45 PM

It's probably just the same one by skywalkerfamily	Mar 10th, 2008 03:57:32 PM
that was out last year.
The trailer before 10,000 BC.. by UMAGA	Mar 10th, 2008 04:00:44 PM
Is The I Am Legend one.
One Slight Problem by DannyOcean01	Mar 10th, 2008 04:02:49 PM
With uncluttering Gotham, and removing some of the shadow. You reveal the absurdity of some guy dressed in a batsuit even more. Wayne matches the city in terms of his Batman persona. If Gotham becomes Chicago it's just not going to make any sense thematically.
Indiana Jones and the troy was pretty great. by Scrolly	Mar 10th, 2008 04:05:21 PM
Sorry, I had to.
Everythings sleek and shiny because by ThePilgrim	Mar 10th, 2008 04:11:56 PM
They couldn't afford to go over all the original filmed location stuff with CGI mattes and 3d CGI replacement buldings. That, or they decided against it to save some $$$$$$. Soon it will be cheaper to hire CGI actors over real ones...
off topic... by BigTexas42	Mar 10th, 2008 05:13:23 PM
when we gonna get a thundercats movie up in he'ah?
DonnieDorko.. by wowsah156	Mar 10th, 2008 05:16:26 PM
We are talking about the fear toxin that the Bat has. Read the bit in The Dark Knight Returns where we see the bat use the military hallucinogenic on 2Faces men at the helecopter giving them post traumatic stress disorder. insane nuts scary type shit.
Sithdan: Nicholson's Joker Sucked Ass. by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 10th, 2008 05:32:08 PM
Nicholson's performance was, relative to the actor's talent and skill, the laziest, muggiest piece of shit I've ever had the misfortune of suffering through. Jack was looking for his paycheck in the worst way... Sithdan, you must have the worst sense of humor ever if you thought Nicholson's Joker was the least bit good (let alone the man's best work--ever seen ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST?). In fact, Burton's BATMAN was mediocre at best, particularly compared to the mostly excellent BB. Deal with it.
Nicholson was awesome. by skywalkerfamily	Mar 10th, 2008 05:36:26 PM
It's one of my favorite Nicholson movies. The entire cast of Batman 89 was awesome. The movie is a classic.
Gotham by Jack Colby	Mar 10th, 2008 05:54:18 PM
That explains all the broad daylight shots that have gotten online, doesn't it? Cleaned-up Gotham... it will be different, anyhow.
Batman 89 by JayWells87	Mar 10th, 2008 06:17:28 PM
Is a nice little movie, but lets face it, it has not aged well at all. And I definitely agree with Nicholson's mugging. An actor of that caliber (Cuckoo's Nest, anyone?) could of, and should of done so much more with the part then play what everyone expects of him. That's why I appreciate Ledger's portrayal (or what we've seen of it) all the more.
Yeah Nicholson was great but, by dirtsandwich	Mar 10th, 2008 06:21:56 PM
I had heard that he was upset he wasn't chosen to be The Joker in The Dark Knight.
So Gotham is just plain Chicago again????? Fuck. by IndustryKiller!	Mar 10th, 2008 06:43:34 PM
A major flaw with the original film is how much Gotham lacked personality. Much in the same way you can tell when Vancouver is standing in for new York, Gotham in Batman Begins was clearly just a dirty Chicago and didn't have it's own original identity. Sad considering I consider the city a chracter all it's own. The city is called GOTHAM for nothing Mr. Nolan.
let me try that again by IndustryKiller!	Mar 10th, 2008 06:45:52 PM
The city ISN'T called GOTHAM for nothing. There.
Nicholson is at his worst... by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 10th, 2008 06:46:50 PM
when he's playing hammed up versions of himself. Even THE SHINING, for all its glory, would've been even better if Jack had just turned down the dial a few notched in a scene or two. Of course, his work in that film is pure genius compared to his completely embarrassing turn as the Joker. Don't get me wrong: I've always been a big fan of Jack, but I prefer him when he actually gives two shits about the film he's in. BATMAN 89 is overrated--period. It's not a terrible film (when the ridiculously exaggerated Nicholson isn't smelling up the place onscreen), but--beyond some nice visuals--it's not very good either. Burton imo should stick to what he's best at: films of pure, quirky whimsy (e.g., THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS or EDWARD SCISSORHANDS). Whenever he deviates from this formula, his films fall flat without exception.
"By the way, by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 10th, 2008 06:56:17 PM
Troy was pretty great." I agree that this should be a new TB catchphrase. It's the single most inane sentence I've read for quite some time. Well done, Proman84.
Naah. Transformers too obvious... by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 10th, 2008 07:17:31 PM
I like random absurdity and creative idiocy of "By the way, Troy was pretty great." Let it be!
I liked Troy actually. by TomBodet	Mar 10th, 2008 07:46:32 PM
Thought it was alright. Nothing great, deserves better rep than it has despite itself.
Bats Begins was alright too. by TomBodet	Mar 10th, 2008 07:48:37 PM
I've zero interest in ever watching it again to be honest, but-it's not bad. I'm looking forwards to the RoboKop/Iron Man thingie this spring myself, more my kinda flick just because.
at least Ledger's Joker wont endorse no Hillary by pipergates	Mar 10th, 2008 09:39:20 PM
now that was Jack's worst role ever. shame on you. signed Osama Obama.
No second unit = excellent by messi	Mar 10th, 2008 10:21:34 PM
makes it a true director's movie. never understood the second unit on other films. meant it was someone elses vision too.
Proman1984 kill yourself by messi	Mar 10th, 2008 10:22:32 PM
you cunt.
That the beauty of Troy... by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 10th, 2008 10:31:23 PM
it'll always have its defenders (no offense, Tom). I guess I'm a bit of a classic lit snob, but I've gotta say that BB was imo a really good film with some warts--but certainly tons better than either one of Burton's attempts. And, yeah, waaaay better than......Troy. BTW, Herb (great pseudonym--fellow Lovecraft fan here): check out the Speed Racer TB. I think the best use of the quote may be to make a strident, potentially offensive, holier-than-thou movie related observation and follow it with "By the way, Troy was pretty great."
Peterson has made some of my favorite movies by WickedJacob	Mar 10th, 2008 10:36:49 PM
but my God he phones it in sometimes, even on really big projects. Anyone see Poseidon?
So tired of you Twits talking shit about 89 Batman by ThePilgrim	Mar 10th, 2008 11:14:36 PM
89's started the cinematic darkness/darkening of comic book characters. Sure Frank Miller publication was way darker, but before this Batman on screen was campy as hell. I even remember Burton's joke too the fans at large about Robin being in the sequel. He made a poster with Paul Rubens's as Robin- just to show the fans at large how gay the concept was. No Bat's 89 (It's theme song still kicks BB ass!)Means no X-men, no Spiderman, no Spawn, none of it!! I think you guys look at the original movies as a whole. Just like the prequels ruined star wars for many the last two entries in the franchise ruined and tarnished the look and feel of the first two films for many fan's. Let's be honest here.. Joel Schumacher fucked over Batman- Not Tim Burton.... And Jacks Joker was his own. Like Romero's is Romero's and Heaths is Heath's. I can do Heath's laugh as the Joker too a "T" It's not very easy too do... It's like trying too pull off the most powerful Yeeeehaw you've ever heard- but it's a laugh. I can do it with greater ease when I'm speeding past someone in my car or cutting them off. It's like theres some sort of tense sadistic nervous energy behind it when you get it right. Knowing this, I know Heath did something great with the role, but you all need to stop saying shit about 89 Bat's and Jack's. It started the trend and sorta redirected it as well. Every Superhero film after it, modeled themselves around it too some degree. It got worse when Burton walked away. It was getting better before he left!
ThePilgrim by TerryMalloy	Mar 10th, 2008 11:30:03 PM
When you're in the cinema, you have to do the laugh right when the movie starts. That'll set the mood.
Shouldn't 89 Bats been called "The Joker: featuring Batman?" by stinkyfingerz	Mar 11th, 2008 12:38:45 AM
I mean seriously the Joker had much more of a story arch than Batman. Plus the whole 'Jack Napier' and The Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents is mind numbingly annoying. I met somebody who didn't like Batman Begins, because he honestly thought the Joker killed Bruce's parents. That is why Batman fans get annoyed with the 89 Batman. Oh yeah, and by the way Troy was pretty great.
But in Batman the villains always have the better by skywalkerfamily	Mar 11th, 2008 02:41:33 AM
story. But at least Batman killed the Joker at the end of the movie and didn't say, "I don't have to save you."
The Joker killing Bruce's parents is not less ridiculous by IndustryKiller!	Mar 11th, 2008 02:52:16 AM
than Ras Al Ghul training a young Bruce Wayne to be Batman. You don't get to pick and choose which origin fuck ups are worse than others. They're both heavily flawed origin stories.
Different interpretations of Batman by Liverstealer	Mar 11th, 2008 02:54:37 AM
I'm going to bring Troy back into this, but the interesting thing is comic books are now the new mythology. Homer's telling of the battle of Troy is very familiar (to some at least). In today's world, the stories of Batman, Spiderman, Wolverine are known by everyone. Now think of all the theatrical and film interpretations of Greek Mythology, especially Hercules (Heracles). You got everyone from Kevin Sorbo playing him in a syndicated tv show to Tate Donovan playing him in the Disney musical. Not to mention the plethora of other movies telling the story of the big guy. But when watching the Disney movie, could you imagine yourself saying they should have gotten Sorbo to do the voice? Hell no! We don't do that because we view the different films as different interpretations of an iconic character. We should do the same for Batman and the Joker. The Joker is bigger than Jack, Heath, Mark and Caesar. That's the wonderful thing about the character. These actors just interpret this character that everyone has some sort of knowledge of and put their own twist on things. There's room to love both Burton's Batman and Nolan's Dark Knight.
Troy Score is cool by CuervoJones	Mar 11th, 2008 03:38:28 AM
Because is Willow Score!
IndustryKiller! you're a fucking idiot by messi	Mar 11th, 2008 05:29:03 AM
i will always remind you of this. Ra's training Bruce was a brilliant change and one I welcome. Much more profound that Bruce was trained by his deadliest enemy who also taught him in an indirect way how he needed to think like a hero. Seriously I would love to see your personal life, all points to you being a boring cunt.
Deepest, bluest, my hat is like a shark's fin! by Franklin T Marmoset	Mar 11th, 2008 06:30:04 AM
That's right it is, LL. You've been making the tears rain down like a monsoon. Batman, is your hat like a shark's fin? No, of course it is not. Jesus, mate, it doesn't even look like a bat's head. How the hell can you expect to fight sharks better than Uncle L?
Gotham Knight updated by palewook	Mar 11th, 2008 06:38:46 AM
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No second unit? by Motoko Kusanagi	Mar 11th, 2008 06:52:16 AM
Well, I dearly hope that the chases and all the other 2nd unit stuff will look better this time...
Batman Begins sucked by m_prevette	Mar 11th, 2008 07:16:09 AM
...don't forget that...it was pretty lame from start to finish. I mean HOW MANY TIMES do we need to see Batman's origins? Katie Holmes...flat out awful...Bale's funny strangled voice once he puts on the Bat-Cowl: hilarious - sounded like he was choking down oatmeal the entire time. The action scenes: incoherent, maybe the WORST action scenes to ever make it into a major studio blockbuster. Nolan has no clue how to stage or film action. And what was with the lame-ass ending? The film SHOULD have ended with Batman and Gordon on the rooftop - but no, that horrid, clumsy final scene at Wayne Manor ends the movie. Just bad. Bad moviemaking start to finish.
m_prevette by JayWells87	Mar 11th, 2008 07:40:29 AM
While I disagree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it. ...Did you think Troy was pretty great too? :)
89 Batman was Mediocre by Le Vicious Fishus	Mar 11th, 2008 07:53:15 AM
And Jack sucked harder than he has before or since. Deal with it, Pilgrim.
by the way, LL thought Troy was pretty great by vaudeville villain	Mar 11th, 2008 08:04:42 AM
and here's why...
Le Vicious by Sithdan	Mar 11th, 2008 08:11:22 AM
Yeah, I've seen Cuckoo's Nest, but it wasn't my favorite Nicholson pic. Maybe it's childhood nostalgia on my part, but I loved Batman '89. At least the Joker was given a decent origin, not some idiot running around with paint splashed on his face. Besides, the real reason Ledger is being already lauded for his performance is because he's dead. It happens all the time with artists.
Ledger.... by JayWells87	Mar 11th, 2008 08:14:56 AM
Was being applauded for his performance back in DECEMBER when we first saw the trailer....dude died in JANUARY....way to keep up with things.
m_prevette by Mr. Nice Gaius	Mar 11th, 2008 09:15:06 AM
I'll give you the fact that Katie Holmes flat-out sucked in BATMAN BEGINS. I'll even concede that some of the hand-to-hand combat action scenes were difficult to follow. But that's really a stylistic choice and one that plays into the fear aspect that is central to Batman's character. But...did we even watch the same movie? Because BB does end with the Batman and Gordon rooftop scene. Not the one at Wayne Manor. And as for Bale's/Batman's voice, that is consistent with Batman canon - he alters his voice to sound more threatening. It's all part of the theatrics of instilling fear into his enemies. But I realize that concept may be too difficult for you to understand since the film probably went right over your head.
MESSI by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 09:16:09 AM
Ra's Al Ghul training Batman not only is not canon, but it totally dismisses the origin of Batman wherein he becomes a hero through personal turmoil, grief, epiphany and enlightenment. BB was a decent movie, but the origin story it told was quite flawed. Not to mention the switch between Watanabe and Neeson as Ghul was pretty weak. I'm looking forward to the next movie for Ledger and just moving on with Batman sans origin.
EDITED TO ADD ... by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 09:19:37 AM
Batman trained himself in Kane's origin. He didn't go to no Tiger Ghul's Himalayan School of Martial Arts.
BATMAN SHOULD UNLOAD SOME GUN KATA by BringingSexyBack	Mar 11th, 2008 09:20:44 AM
Sweetness!
Why Nicholson's Joker is Over Rated.... by Brians Life	Mar 11th, 2008 10:43:52 AM
...he was playing Jack Nicholson, not the Joker. The Joker really isn't terribly funny...he's NOT the Riddler. He's a psychotic mess that finds the absurdity of this world hysterical and can't understand why no one else does. In short, he's a lunatic. I LOVED Tim Burton's Batman...but it's HEAVILY dated. It just don't stand up anymore...it's almost like there's some fundamental immaturity in the story. It's hard to explain...but the last time I saw it I was fast forwarding to the good scenes.
"Batman trained himself in Kane's origin" by dk7pdx	Mar 11th, 2008 11:20:44 AM
Batman may have trained himself in Bob Kane's orignal comic in the 40's but the original comics are nothing like its modern interpretation ... we have had hundreds of writers who have given Batman a much deeper and and much richer beginning than anyone in the 40's could have appreciated ... how good can anyone get at something without a teacher who knows how to do it? ...
"Batman Begins sucked" ??? by dk7pdx	Mar 11th, 2008 11:24:11 AM
m_prevette ... I'm sorry that you have no appreciation of all things cinematic and beautiful ... if action is all you're seeking go watch a fucking bay movie

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